The replacement for MON...?

[MoetVillan]

Hiddink is not a voting option?  Would have been an interesting point to see where he would score, I would take him over Jol.  He was top notch at Chelsea.  The advantage of Mark Hughes as manager would be he would break his back to beat City home and away, which after last night would be fine by me.  Just need someone in charge for the other 36 league games then

[john e]

i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
 i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref  for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,

if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head

If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.

well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,

we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.

i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.

[Chris Smith]

i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
 i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref  for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,

if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head

If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.

well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,

we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.

i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.

I'm not writing him off, as a coach. However, he's never made a signing in his life, he's not had to deal with the media until a week ago and he's not had to negotiate with players and agents. 

[john e]

i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
 i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref  for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,

if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head

If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.

well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,

we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.

i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.

I'm not writing him off, as a coach. However, he's never made a signing in his life, he's not had to deal with the media until a week ago and he's not had to negotiate with players and agents. 

well he can learn,
 making signings cant be that hard, not every one makes a meal out of it the way MON did,

all thats administration anyway,
 we need someone to put things right on the pitch, i couldnt care less about his media image,

he's been hit hard, i doubt he'l make the same mistake twice, if he does then fair enough we dont go with him,

obviously if it was Hiddink or Km i'd go for Gus,
but to bring someone like Sven in or the likes, i'd rather keep to what we got.

people are expecting a right tanning against Everton, i'm not,
we might just see what he's really made of,

i'm not saying please give it to KM he's the only man for it, but i wouldnt be suicidal either if we went with him, i think he could have a lot to offer, and not just as a 2nd in command coach

[Salsa Party Animal]

I am sure there will be some manager we will interview and not linked by media. So who knows.

[freakypete]

whoever comes in as manager lets give him a chance,just hope it aint sven,i really dont think kevin mcdonald wants it,his expertise is dealing with the reserves and youth team and hes deveoloped a few jems

[mr woo]

Hello chaps,

Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates......

Hiddink - Probably my first choice but apparently already committed to Turkish national job. Unlikely to break contract so early.

Kev Mc - Not for me I'm afraid. Would prefer him to prove himself elsewhere first, we could always take him back if successful. No problem with promoting him to 1st team coach under new manager though.

Sven - Was horrified at first but I actually think he'd do ok in a shore-things-up kind of way. Doubt he's what we want to push on long-term.

Curbishley - As Sven really, just a million times duller.

Jol - Another great shout but may not be obtainable this year? Apparently wants to win league with Ajax first.

Klinsmann- High profile, appears enthusiastic and forward thinking. But was awful at Bayern. Surely a trained monkey could win the league there?

Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.

Bob Bradley - Good God NO!

Southgate - As above (x1000)

Pellegrini - Spent shitloads at Real Madrid and still did'nt win league. We don't have that luxury.

Ottmar Hitzfeld - Great record. Everything you'd want in a manager but doesn't want a return to club football. Due to retire after Euro2012.

So, it really appears we've been left in the shit. No 'stand out' available candidate.

Apart from one guy, Felix Magath, I honestly think is worth a try.
He's already had a couple of discrete mentions on here but isn't even listed in the poll.


He's believed by many to be the best manager in the German game, above Louis Van Gaal and Ralph Rangnick.

He laid foundations for Stuttgart to win league, leaving after they had finished runners-up.
Won the league and cup double twice with Bayern (that already puts Klinsmann to shame).
Then won league with Wolfsburg - the first time in their history.
Took over at Schalke who were in a bit of a mess by all accounts - finished runners up last year.
He can speak English and is open to the idea of managing in the Premiership--------  http://tinyurl.com/38odqyr
He appears unhappy at Schalke and therefore obtainable ------   http://tinyurl.com/36a27bv
AND he's not scared to sign the bigger names having just taken on Raul for example.

Imagine that at Villa Park - Raul instead of the Marlon Harewoods or Emile Heskeys of this world.

Anyway, sorry for the long post but like I say, just my two-bobs-worth......

[Toronto Villa]

Hello chaps,

Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates......



Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.

Rijkaard - unconvincing?

Barcelona

UEFA Champions League
2005/06

La Liga
2004/2005, 2005/06

Supercopa de Espaņa
2005, 2006

Bob Bradley - Good God NO!

I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.

ps. welcome by the way

[Monty]

Both Rijkaard's and Magath's record strike me as remarkably un-suited to long-term planning. All of Rijkaard's spells with any team, without fail, have finished with dressing room disharmony, favouritism, disunity and chaos. Magath would jump at the very first opportunity to go to any club he perceives as being bigger in any way than us, however slight - or if he's offered a tiny pay rise. Bradley's a fine tactician and coach, but the football he plays is generally deathly.

It's unfair to say that Pellegrini bought any of the players that failed to win the league - he had no say in who was signed and was handed a squad which had been mishmashed together and told to get on with it. How they ever expect coaches to build teams out of players who specifically don't work together (Benzema, Kaka, Ronaldo, Higuain, Granero etc) is beyond me. What would be fairer would be to commend his almost incredible work at Villareal, where he built a team and a club out of nothing and got them to the Champions' League semi-finals. He'd be a better choice, in my opinion, than Bradley, Magath or Rijkaard.

[Slaphead]

Hiddink would never come Villa, he could go to any job he wanted.

I would not mind Bradley too much just because of the unknown factor and the excitement of him being an unknown quality.

KMD is a save option to keep us afloat but we would be looking at an average season and probably be replacing him at end of season.

Klinsmann is my first choice as I think he is an up and coming manager that will get better with experience.

Claudio Ranieri another possibility but is with Roma isn't he.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Hello chaps,

Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates.....

Hiddink - Probably my first choice but apparently already committed to Turkish national job. Unlikely to break contract so early.

Kev Mc - Not for me I'm afraid. Would prefer him to prove himself elsewhere first, we could always take him back if successful. No problem with promoting him to 1st team coach under new manager though.

Sven - Was horrified at first but I actually think he'd do ok in a shore-things-up kind of way. Doubt he's what we want to push on long-term.

Curbishley - As Sven really, just a million times duller.

Jol - Another great shout but may not be obtainable this year? Apparently wants to win league with Ajax first.

Klinsmann- High profile, appears enthusiastic and forward thinking. But was awful at Bayern. Surely a trained monkey could win the league there?

Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.

Bob Bradley - Good God NO!

Southgate - As above (x1000)

Pellegrini - Spent shitloads at Real Madrid and still did'nt win league. We don't have that luxury.

Ottmar Hitzfeld - Great record. Everything you'd want in a manager but doesn't want a return to club football. Due to retire after Euro2012.

So, it really appears we've been left in the shit. No 'stand out' available candidate.

Apart from one guy, Felix Magath, I honestly think is worth a try.
He's already had a couple of discrete mentions on here but isn't even listed in the poll.


He's believed by many to be the best manager in the German game, above Louis Van Gaal and Ralph Rangnick.

He laid foundations for Stuttgart to win league, leaving after they had finished runners-up.
Won the league and cup double twice with Bayern (that already puts Klinsmann to shame).
Then won league with Wolfsburg - the first time in their history.
Took over at Schalke who were in a bit of a mess by all accounts - finished runners up last year.
He can speak English and is open to the idea of managing in the Premiership--------  http://tinyurl.com/38odqyr
He appears unhappy at Schalke and therefore obtainable ------   http://tinyurl.com/36a27bv
AND he's not scared to sign the bigger names having just taken on Raul for example.

Imagine that at Villa Park - Raul instead of the Marlon Harewoods or Emile Heskeys of this world.

Anyway, sorry for the long post but like I say, just my two-bobs-worth......


Mr Woo thought that was a very comprehensive look at the availability of the current crop of managers. Good post .............

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Felix Magath is a very good shout. Interesting links too.

I wonder if there would be any complaints on here if we nicked him off Schalke just 4 days before the start of the Bundesliga season?

[hilts_coolerking]

I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.

I don't think Bradley's lack of English or European experience should be so readily dismissed as bollocks: it's a massive disadvantage.  It's certainly a far more important indicator than three one-off games against England, Spain and Brazil, only one of which he won.  And while we're cherry-picking results from the 2009 Confederations Cup perhaps it's worthwhile pointing out that the US record in that tournament was P5 W2 D0 L3.  No question the victory over Spain was a great result but the only other team they beat was Egypt.

[Toronto Villa]

I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.

I don't think Bradley's lack of English or European experience should be so readily dismissed as bollocks: it's a massive disadvantage.  It's certainly a far more important indicator than three one-off games against England, Spain and Brazil, only one of which he won.  And while we're cherry-picking results from the 2009 Confederations Cup perhaps it's worthwhile pointing out that the US record in that tournament was P5 W2 D0 L3.  No question the victory over Spain was a great result but the only other team they beat was Egypt.

Fair enough and maybe I was a bit harsh there. But when Ferguson came from Scotland to one of the biggest clubs in England and turned them into what they are today, or Wenger came from Grampus 8 to Arsenal we may have said the same thing. I think a good coach and manager is hard to determine by their current level of experience. Otherwise we may as well hire Curbishley. Also inexperienced managers like Hughes and Bruce have introduced the likes of Rodallega, Valencia, Palacios, Santa Cruz to England. So you don't need vast experience to have a keen eye for talent. In fact, I would bet Bradley would have a better knowledge of North, Central and possibly South America than anyone in the PL today. It somewhat counters his lack of European knowledge.

My position on Bradley is that I'm undecided because I don't have enough info. I certainly couldn't take a hard line stance against him like some have though.

[mr woo]

Rijkaard - unconvincing?

Barcelona

UEFA Champions League
2005/06

La Liga
2004/2005, 2005/06

Supercopa de Espaņa
2005, 2006




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I agree his record at Barcelona looks impressive after a very slow start there, and perhaps I shouldn't have lumped him in with Koeman.

I was really referring to his time since then while at Galatasaray.
While I can't claim to know the full ins and outs of Turkish football, I've always understood it to historically be a three horse race between  Beşiktaş , Fenerbahįe and Galatasaray.

Galatasaray finished third this year (having said that, Beşiktaş were fourth) 10 points off second.

Would we have been happy to take for example Scholari from Chelsea if he'd lasted the season and finished 3rd?

p.s  thanks for the welcomes, guys. I'm more than happy for you to pick apart the original post, no offence taken at all.