The replacement for MON...?

[Monty]

The word "from" is a lie because he contacted Aston Villa, through representatives, not the other way around. To say he had contact from Villa is to say we phoned him up and said "alright Bob? Job going here, interested?", which is clearly not the case. There is literally no evidence to say that we are interested in Bob Bradley, but the BBC tried to make out like there was. Hence, lie.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I don't think Bradley will get the job purely because it could be a complete PR disaster for Randy if he were to fail. An American owner appointing a US coach would have the press attacking Lerner as using Villa as his play thing. It just won't happen. That's not to say Bradley couldn't do the job, if we're honest, we don't know a great deal about him. I think some of the comments are a bit harsh on Bradley, he's appears to have done a very good job with the US national side. If he does get a job in England he may turn out to be a great success but for us, it's just too much of a risk right now.

Klinnsmann is certainly a name that would excite both the fans and the press but again, we don't (or at least I) don't know that much about him. His club management record doesn't look that good but then managing Bayern Munich is a massive job, maybe he just wasn't ready for it. One thing we do know is that he was a success managing the German national side, a job that's certainly bigger than the England job due to Germany's record and standing in international football. He was obviously very highly rated to be given such an important job.

I can see at lot of positives if we were to appoint him, especially if he had Kevin MacDonald along side him but I would be interested to hear more about him.

[hilts_coolerking]

Rubbish, he has had contact from Aston Villa.  There's no question about that.  Okay, he had to contact the club first in order to get it, but he's not lying.

[Monty]

Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".

Mark, my opinion on Klinsmann is that Villa is perfect for him. In the same way as he and Loew planned out Germany's future, I could see a similar partnership developing with MacDonald. Football can sometimes be really revisionist: Klinsmann does really well in '06, suddenly it's all about him. He doesn't do so well at Bayern (as you say, lunatic pressures from all sides and he had hardly any actual control on off-field matters), Germany do well in '10, suddenly Klinsmann did nothing and Loew is the architect and genius behind Germany's revival. Fact is that the vision was Klinsmann's, he knew it was also Loew's so he appointed Loew and worked with him. Our experience with MON has shown us that it's no good having one man top-down rule: you need a good team behind the team, and Klinsmann and K Mac would be perfect in my view. Everything fits: the trust in young players; the desire for a possession-based, attacking style; the ability to work with what they have, because K Mac knows exactly how to use the youngsters and reserves and Klinsmann is used to it with the national team, so if you add a couple of signings to that it becomes even better for him.

The great thing about Klinsmann, though, is the sheer combination of factors: the fact that he offers vibrant leadership, youthful (for a manager) vigour, tactical awareness, long-term vision and a desire to really do something in the game is almost priceless, not to mention his high profile. I'd be very excited were Klinsmann to roll up in B6.

[hilts_coolerking]

Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".

Has he had contact from Aston Villa?  Yes.  Therefore no-one is lying.  Lying is a pretty strong accusation and unjustified in this case.  Bradley came across very well in his interview I thought and the subsequent BBC Sport headline of him being interested in the post is entirely consistent with what he said.  You're barking up the wrong tree on this one.

[old man villa fan]

Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".

100% correct Monty.  Complete volte-face by reporter - change 'made contact with' to 'contact from'.  Completely changes report on who the lead is coming from.

The great thing about Klinsmann, though, is the sheer combination of factors: the fact that he offers vibrant leadership, youthful (for a manager) vigour, tactical awareness, long-term vision and a desire to really do something in the game is almost priceless, not to mention his high profile. I'd be very excited were Klinsmann to roll up in B6.

Whether it is Klinsmann or not, we need a vibrant manager to change the media perception of the club.  If we are to grow the fan base, we have to be seen as vibrant, exciting and progressive.  Somehow, we have to compete with the other clubs at the top (top 4 not just top 6/7) and, as we should realise, without having the financial resources on its own to do it.

[citizenDJ]

I'm sure I'm being a bit daft, but where does that report actually say that Bradley has 'had contact from'? It seems really clear on stating that Bradley would be interested, doesn't it?

[Monty]

It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.

[citizenDJ]

It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.

Oh right, I didn't hear those. Cheers, Monty.

[hilts_coolerking]

It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.

Bradley has had contact from Villa.  Did they say Villa contacted him first?

[Monty]

It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.

Bradley has had contact from Villa.  Did they say Villa contacted him first?

It was heavily implied in the news reports afterwards. They know exactly what they're doing, don't worry about that.

[old man villa fan]

It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.

Bradley has had contact from Villa.  Did they say Villa contacted him first?

What people want to know from a report such as this is who made the approach to understand whether it is a media manufactured story or whether the club are closer to making an appointment and who it is likely to be.  By changing the wording to 'contact from' changes the emphasis.  Incidently, I did not hear th interview/see the report so I am only going from what has been said by others about it.

[hilts_coolerking]

It was heavily implied in the news reports afterwards. They know exactly what they're doing, don't worry about that.

So they're not lying then.  I'm glad we've cleared that up.

[Monty]

Lying, misleading, deliberately implying a falsehood - these are semantic differences. The BBC attempted to make the story sound much more jazzy than it was. Thus, for Villa fans worried from the, at best, ambiguous reporting of the events, I would say there's nothing new here and nothing to worry about. It's a non-story that the BBC, as per any news organisation, made a slight alteration in to make it sound more important than it is.

[hilts_coolerking]

Lying, misleading, deliberately implying a falsehood - these are semantic differences. The BBC attempted to make the story sound much more jazzy than it was. Thus, for Villa fans worried from the, at best, ambiguous reporting of the events, I would say there's nothing new here and nothing to worry about. It's a non-story that the BBC, as per any news organisation, made a slight alteration in to make it sound more important than it is.

I agree they are trying to wring every last ounce of interest, such as it is, from an essentially uninteresting story.  As you say, that's how competing media organisations operate.  It's a presentation issue.

But there's a big big difference between that and lying, which is what you accused the BBC of.  That is not a semantic difference at all.