The General C. Krulak Thread XV

[Risso]

If KM is appointed, I'd be interested to see the list of candidates who were considered not to be as good.

[Dave Clark Five]

Dave is right though Maz.

If he really wanted it then he should have been vocal about it sooner. Too much of a Mr Nice Guy for me and if it is him and he only gets it after the transfer window closes then that would be very annoying.

we all thought that oniel was mr nice guy and look what that cu/\t has done to our club

He wasn't called the Poison Dwarf for nothing.

[Mazrim]

I think if, and I still think its a fairly big if, K Mac gets the job, History will decide how right or wrong it was. Its all very well getting up in arms about it but the truth is there isnt one of you who knows how good he'll do in advance. Having no precedent works both ways doesnt it? We dont know how good or bad he'll be at it without some sort of evidence and a few matches isnt enough.

Appointing him in my opinion would be gutsy. Possibly foolhardy but definitely gutsy. That's why I'd rather he got the job than some duffer doing the rounds simply because he has been a manager before.
So better an unknown quantity than somebody we know is shit. Is that fair enough?
I dont think it would contradict any ambition either. Why should it? How do we know the limitations of his ability before he's even had a proper chance to show them?

Of course, I would like a top manager to be appointed more than anything. I've made no secret that I'd prefer Hiddink and I said so when we appointed MON.
There are managers I would rather appoint before K Mac but there's a whoooooooole shitload of guys I'd consider worse appointments as things stand.

[pauliewalnuts]

We dont know how good or bad he'll be at it without some sort of evidence and a few matches isnt enough.

Which is why you have to consider the merits of KM regardless of the matches he has handled as caretaker.

How many of us would have said, had we known at the end of last season that MON was off, "KM is the best man for the job"?

Like you said, we don't know how he'd do with the job, so why appoint him, other than "we can't think of anyone else" or "everyone else said no"?

[Mazrim]

That's the point though Paulie. We dont know how good he'd do.
That's why I'd take a chance on how good he'd be rather than appoint a manager we know is so so or average or shite. The ambition there would be so so and average and shite and all because "manager x" has been a manager before.

And why appoint him? He's already here, he already knows the club, the squad, the reserves, the academy, the brickwork, every blade of grass. The players love him... there are plenty of pros. And yes, lots of cons too.

I must stress again though, that appointing K Mac isnt my first choice. But its closer to front than the back and I could be drastically wrong. I accept that.
If it doesnt work out, its Football, not life and death. Shankly was wrong.

So to sum up. Try and get one of the best or gamble with an unkonwn quantity. I personally dont really want anything else.

[hilts_coolerking]

I've said it before but such a risky move might be reasonable if the club was at a very low ebb, had just been relegated, or was totally potless. Then I could understand it. But a club with ambitions to get into the Champions League shouldn't be taking such a risk.  Even if it paid off, does anyone honestly expect MacDonald to be so good that we'd be looking to finish fourth? Something that a manager as experienced (albeit limited) as Martin O'Neill was unable to do?  History shows that appointing caretaker managers full time rarely works, if ever. By appointing him the Board are effectively saying they think MacDonald is, or will become, a better manager than O'Neill and I just don't see that there is any evidence for believing that.

As paulie says, the only sensible for reason for appointing MacDonald would be if everyone better turned us down or all the alternatives were worse. I can't believe that either of things would be true.

[ckrulak]

General Krulak here:

1.  First and foremost, I would not put a lot of faith in what you read in the papers.  There are many people being considered....and looking at the list and odds that were on the film clip substantiates that fact and does not even reach them all.  As I have been saying to the Fans since this all began...Randy has NOT been sitting on his bum!!  He is out doing what an owner should do...meeting and speaking!!  There will be some who are eager for the job...others that will not be eager.  The ONLY way to find out iwho is eager and who is not is to talk to them...and that is what has been happening.

2.  I will be off the site tomorrow and the next day as I have some meetings.

[hipkiss92]

With whom? Potential new managers?

[pauliewalnuts]

2.  I will be off the site tomorrow and the next day as I have some meetings.

Ha ha ha, nicely done, General. You should write thrillers.

[Salsa Party Animal]

Have the club done any potential transfer/loan discussion today at all ? as there is nothing on Skysports.

[villa1]

General,

Any chance of a quick pm when the decision's made so i can stick me some money on it?!!!

;-)

[Risso]

Appointing him in my opinion would be gutsy. Possibly foolhardy but definitely gutsy.

I'd say it was many things, including stupid, short-sighted and destined to end in failure.  But most of all the word I'd use to describe it  (if it happened) would be "cheap".

[TimTheVillain]

The word I'd use would be 'ambitionless'.

Rather have KM as Manager UNTIL the right man becomes available than appoint him full time.

Also, that way, KM would be left with no egg on his face as he could go back to his 'proper' job which he does very well.

Round pegs, round holes.

[ozzjim]

I think it would allow people to question why it was not done sooner to allow him to sign a couple of players. I think the board and the chairman have been brilliant thus far, and until the new man has been appointed and had a few months with the side etc it is tough to call it a cheap move, as January may yield some moves, but some would have question marks. Good time for a couple of days meetings General. Grill those candidates military style and make sure they are the right man.

[Simba]

I posted this on another thread:

Whatever the unknown issues, there is simply no excuse for creating the damage he (MON) did by using the window as a bargaining tool. I for one am glad that, notwithstanding the possible "crisis", his bluff was called and the club took the position, to paraphrase the first statement from the club via the General, that- no man is bigger than the club. Some thought they were.

The fact is that K Mac was left alone and whatever blame can be applied to him, for whatever reason for the (two) poor results he was simply undermanned as MON took his entire team with him.

I also think that MON/Robertson used the power he/they thought they had to blackmail us. Clough wannabes. Without the ability, or as is becoming obvious - the respect of the players. Good riddance.