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[Dave]

I'm sure you'd agree with that, unless you've accepted Spurs as one of the big four.

But there are two ways of looking at it - from Spurs point of view they've not 'broken the big four'. But from Liverpool's point of view the big four has definitely been broken for them.

Whether Spurs or (more likely) Man City are the long-term beneficiaries, the big four of 2/3 years is looking very unlikely to be the big four of 2013.

Which I think might have been Percy's original point.

[old man villa fan]

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.

Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.

So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do.  Unbelievable!

[Percy McCarthy]

I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.

No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.

Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.

One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.

Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.

/percy_bait

Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.

*stops stopwatch*

You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.

If you didn't keep saying that Liverpool will soon be bought out, I wouldn't have to keep referring to the fact that it hasn't happened.

[pauliewalnuts]

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.

Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.

So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do.  Unbelievable!

No.

I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).

As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".

The two things go hand in hand.

[mozza]

Inevitable that FSW would be shown the door albeit with a golden handshake -

Redscouse are in a right mess - supporters want owners out - and supposedly their best players want out as well (or was it a ploy to push the manager?)

Can't say I'll lose much sleep worrying about their plight but there is bound to be speculation that they might come knocking on MON's door - could be interesting few weeks ahead

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.

No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.

Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.

One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.

Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.

/percy_bait

Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.

*stops stopwatch*

You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.

If you didn't keep saying that Liverpool will soon be bought out, I wouldn't have to keep referring to the fact that it hasn't happened.

I didn't say they'd soon be bought out, i said that if they found themselves really in meltdown, there would be plenty of very rich people willing to step in.

Which I stand by. You're right, it hasn't happened yet. But then again, they're not in meltdown yet, either.

Similarly, nobody has bought debt ridden Man United yet, but there appear to be people willing to do so.

[Shrek]

If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.

Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.

Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.

Their spine is absolute world class,

Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres

If Rafa had Half a brain cell in the transfer Market, they could have Warnock, Dunne, Young, Milner, Crouch  also in the side.

.....................Reina

Johnson. Dunne.  Carragher.  Warnock

Milner.   Gerrard.  Mashcerno.  Young

............Crouch.     Torres

You telling me that wouldn't be a top side, still in the CL

[old man villa fan]

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.

Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.

So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do.  Unbelievable!

No.

I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).

As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".

The two things go hand in hand.

I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.

If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement.  I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'.  Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.

[pauliewalnuts]

If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.

Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.

Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.

Their spine is absolute world class,

Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres

If Rafa had Half a brain cell in the transfer Market, they could have Warnock, Dunne, Young, Milner, Crouch  also in the side.

.....................Reina

Johnson. Dunne.  Carragher.  Warnock

Milner.   Gerrard.  Mashcerno.  Young

............Crouch.     Torres

You telling me that wouldn't be a top side, still in the CL

Not too sure about that, Gibbo. Carragher is far from world class. Not too sure about Mascherano, either. Very good, yes, but world class? Hmm.

Gerrard and Torres certainly are, but are they going to be there next year?

Liverpool's issue is that if you look at the peaks of their squad, they're very good (Torres, Gerrard, Reina) but if you look beyond the peaks, they have a pretty mediocre squad.

Ngog, Babbel, El Zhar, Lucas and so on.

Liverpool seem to have got themselves a pedigree in signing some really shit players over the last 15 years or so now. Souness and Houllier were the worst, but the others in that period have made some really poor signings.

[pauliewalnuts]

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.

Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.

So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do.  Unbelievable!

No.

I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).

As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".

The two things go hand in hand.

I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.

If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement.  I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'.  Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.

Do you think people you disagree with are wrong? Your reference to correcting them suggests you do. I think they're wrong. That's why I disagree with them.

I think they're well meaning and genuine (as I said in the original post) in their opinions, but I think they're misguided.

You've also ignored the bit where I pointed out i wasn't referring to everyone who thinks MON has done a decent job, but hey ho.

[Dave]

If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.

Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.

Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.

Their spine is absolute world class,

Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres

Any manager would want to work with the likes of Torres and Gerrard.

However, most managers in the Premier League have better players to work with than Carragher and Mascherano. O'Neill already has better defenders and midfielders to work with.

[JJ-AV]

I've never seen someone who divides opinion as greatly as Mascherano.

Some say he's world class and better than Makelele, some say he's tosh an not a top half player.

No doubt Reina, Gerrard and Torres are world class players though. Carragher's certainly not anymore (if he ever was). I reckon Mascherano is somewhere in the middle.

[SoccerHQ]

I think Mascherano and Torres will leave this summer regardless. Liverpool desperately need money in, they're 800m in debt and haven't got champions league income.

Gerrard's knackered imo now, 30 so best years are behind him. Carragher has declined over the last 18 months.

Reina was brilliant last season but that wasn't enough.

Liverpool will be in the wilderness for the next few seasons I reckon until they sort themselves out off the pitch.

[old man villa fan]

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.

Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.

So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do.  Unbelievable!

No.

I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).

As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".

The two things go hand in hand.

I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.

If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement.  I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'.  Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.

Do you think people you disagree with are wrong? Your reference to correcting them suggests you do. I think they're wrong. That's why I disagree with them.

I think they're well meaning and genuine (as I said in the original post) in their opinions, but I think they're misguided.

You've also ignored the bit where I pointed out i wasn't referring to everyone who thinks MON has done a decent job, but hey ho.

No, I do not think people are wrong if I disagree with them.  If somebody makes a clear error, I will correct them.  If, in my opinion, I do not agree with somebody, I will put forward my arguement and, hopefully, after a reasoned debate we come to an agreement.

[pauliewalnuts]

For clarity, and this is my last attempt, but this is what I'm saying...

I disagree with them.

I do however think they believe what they're saying, and they're not just saying it for effect.

For example, I'm not disagreeing with them because they're being arsey, or because I think they're doing it for the sake of it, I believe they genuinely believe what they're saying (which is what the original point was), I just believe they're misguided (ie wrong, but with honourable intentions).

I really don't see what is so condescending about that (certainly not when compared to the original post which suggested that the people who moan about MON now will just moan about the opposite if we replace him).

And the whole "most condescending thing ever" point is somewhat lost in any case, given that - as I pointed out - I wasn't actually referring to those who think MON has done a reasonable job.