0% Villa: Benitez sacked (Confirmed p.6)

[dave.woodhall]

Could you imagine this place if he did leave? all those people who've spent the last 4 years on here defending his every move would be faced with the ultimate betrayal. all those hours on here talking about trusting him and how he'd lead us to the promised land rewarded by the manager metaphorically dropping his trousers and mooning them. who was the last manager to walk out on us for another club side?

Nobody ever has, which must be pretty much unique.

Ron Saunders?

They still had a manager when he left us.

[Clampy]

I'm not suggesting that he had a job lined up when he resigned, but did'nt Gregory take over at Derby very soon after leaving us?

[dave.woodhall]

I'm not suggesting that he had a job lined up when he resigned, but did'nt Gregory take over at Derby very soon after leaving us?

He did indeed, but we've still never had a manager who left us to join another club.

[Clampy]

I can't think of anyone to be honest. Sir Graham left us for the England job, but he'd earned it.

[KevinGage]

If he did I'm certain we'll see a thread entitled "Well you've all got what you wanted now" as if Martin is sat in a room in his house reading what we are saying about him with a tear in his eye.

I'd say that'll be pretty much nailed on.

'So called Villa fans,' and all the rest of it.

[Concrete John]

Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.

"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."

"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."

"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"

[pauliewalnuts]

Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.

"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."

"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."

"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"

Or maybe the people who do want MON out just think differently to you?

This suggestion that they're just moaning for the sake of it absolutely boils my piss.

You might disagree with people - I know I do, with plenty - but at least do them the courtesy of accepting they believe what they're saying, John.

[Concrete John]

Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.

"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."

"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."

"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"

Or maybe the people who do want MON out just think differently to you?

This suggestion that they're just moaning for the sake of it absolutely boils my piss.

You might disagree with people - I know I do, with plenty - but at least do them the courtesy of accepting they believe what they're saying, John.

You misunderstand me, Paulie.

I'm sure that, for the most part, the criticism aimed at our manager is heartfelt and sincere.  I actually share a lot of the views on what he should do differently.  However, I do feel that in doing so we can lose sight of what he's doing well and automatically assume that should be adopt our ideas, the side would instantly be better.  I just don't think it works that way.  

And it's that mindset that I am referring to.  Those that will always think they have spotted some flaws and are convinced by changing what they want everything will be a lot better.  And that fact that he doesn't do what we want makes him an idiot, limited and the one holding the club back.

[pauliewalnuts]

Fair enough, John, but why not just say that then, ie that people ignore the good things he's done rather than what looked like "they'll just find something else to moan about"?

I don't think he's an idiot. I think he's a good manager. I don't think he's good enough to do much more than he already has with us, but that's just my stance.

Some people will want him out now, and that's their opinion, they're welcome to it. That's what it is all about, opinions.

I don't agree with, for example - picking the last overtly 'get shot' poster on this thread - east19 on MON, but I at least believe he really does feel that way and that he's not going to just moan about something else if we do lose MON.

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided. I do, however, think they really believe what they're saying.

It takes all sorts.

[Shrek]

To be fair there can't have been many people in the game who thought Benitez would be there come next season. If Mon really wanted the job surely he wouldn't have commited himself to the Villa??

Martin hasn't commited himself to villa, he has just carried on his 12 month rolling contract. Making it very easy for him to move on.

[Concrete John]

Fair enough, John, but why not just say that then, ie that people ignore the good things he's done rather than what looked like "they'll just find something else to moan about"?

I don't think he's an idiot. I think he's a good manager. I don't think he's good enough to do much more than he already has with us, but that's just my stance.

Some people will want him out now, and that's their opinion, they're welcome to it. That's what it is all about, opinions.

I don't agree with, for example - picking the last overtly 'get shot' poster on this thread - east19 on MON, but I at least believe he really does feel that way and that he's not going to just moan about something else if we do lose MON.

I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided. I do, however, think they really believe what they're saying.

It takes all sorts.

I get where you're coming from, and maybe I did bite a little at some of the more OTT posts on this topic.

But I stand by the point that some will focus on the negative without a more reasoned overview.  And will pick up on some flaw as the reason for a percieved lack of progress, whether it be a genuine problem or not.

I just think that if he did go we'd be here in three years time with the same people arguing for and against the new manager, just with different points being tossed back and forth.  It's a mindset issue.

[pauliewalnuts]

I just think that if he did go we'd be here in three years time with the same people arguing for and against the new manager, just with different points being tossed back and forth.  It's a mindset issue.

I think that on whichever forum, for whichever club, you'll find people arguing for and against the manager, it's inevitable.

If it is a mindset issue, it is an issue for football fans full stop, not just for us lot.

[Percy McCarthy]

I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.

No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.

Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.

One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.

Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.

/percy_bait

Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that they wouldn't all qualify soon, and that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need, and you thought I was a nutter.

[Mac]

To be fair there can't have been many people in the game who thought Benitez would be there come next season. If Mon really wanted the job surely he wouldn't have commited himself to the Villa??

Martin hasn't commited himself to villa, he has just carried on his 12 month rolling contract. Making it very easy for him to move on.

it's Martin's style and does not reflect on his commitment to us specifically

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.

No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.

Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.

One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.

Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.

/percy_bait

Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.

*stops stopwatch*

You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.

Incidentally, i think you'll also find I've always said "breaking the Sky four" doesn't mean qualifying once, or we'd have annointed Moyes not too long ago. It means getting into it and staying in it.

I'm sure you'd agree with that, unless you've accepted Spurs as one of the big four.

Incidentally, I think we've been over this in the last week or so, but once again, I didn't think you were a "nutter", I disagreed with you.