Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[Greg N'Ash]

I fail to see how Keane is a has been, he's scored goals wherever he's been.

People are basing it on the fact that he's been on loan at Celtic without taking into account that he fell out with Redknapp. They also tell us that Harry wouldn't be selling him if he was any good. The same people spent last season moaning that we hadn't signed Darren Bent.

ah. back on the christmas party conspiracy theories are we? bottom line is he was dropped for being crap, went into a huff and demanded a loan move to celtic. that after being crap at liverpool. Now after 2 years of being bobbins don't you think its a bit more than temporry form?

[Mazrim]

Of all the criticisms aimed at MON, I dont mind the one about the lack of exciting or imaginative signings.

There have been so many that make sense  or are reasonable affordable gambles but not really an exciting one out of left field. I think thats what fans are waiting for/hoping for and I can understand it, even if I'm not sure its going to happen under O'Neill's management. But you never know.

It doesnt mean I dont think he'll sign players that will improve us. I know he will.

[Concrete John]

The ideal position for Keane would be just behind the strikers

I agree.

Someone else's strikers.

Keane is on the downward slope now. Hopefully at some point this summer we'll make an ambitious signing for a change rather opting for the predictable every time.

I appreciate the effectiveness of our signings, before anyone suggests otherwise, but wouldn't it be nice to show a little ambition? Ambition doesn't mean signing Lionel Messi either. Just players from a higher level than we have now.  More of the same will not be enough to push us on.

This just won't happen. Unfortunately MON has proved that. The last time we signed anybody like that was Ashley Young wasn't it? Unfortunately now there are far more attractive propositions for these sort of players.

Why? We were in the bottom half of the table when he signed.

He may sign someone who we don't consider a big name signing but goes on to be a world beater. He's got previous.

Why all the brow beating and pessimism? I genuinely don't understand, I have a mental picture of some of the keenest posters on this thread walking around with a mini grey cloud continuously pouring rain on their heads.

Personally, I think Delph was an exciting signing.  I also thought that about Milner, even if others took a while to see it.  Carew was aswell, but often gets overlooked as such as he's been with us a while now.

And lets not forget that when talking about 'exciting signings' that we basically mean flair players and usually strikers.  He had Gabby and now the Fonz on the books, so in many ways did not need those kind of players as much as the more 'solid and dependable' to give them a platform to work from.

[boboonthecorner]

The ideal position for Keane would be just behind the strikers

I agree.

Someone else's strikers.

Keane is on the downward slope now. Hopefully at some point this summer we'll make an ambitious signing for a change rather opting for the predictable every time.

I appreciate the effectiveness of our signings, before anyone suggests otherwise, but wouldn't it be nice to show a little ambition? Ambition doesn't mean signing Lionel Messi either. Just players from a higher level than we have now.  More of the same will not be enough to push us on.

This just won't happen. Unfortunately MON has proved that. The last time we signed anybody like that was Ashley Young wasn't it? Unfortunately now there are far more attractive propositions for these sort of players.

Why? We were in the bottom half of the table when he signed.

He may sign someone who we don't consider a big name signing but goes on to be a world beater. He's got previous.

Why all the brow beating and pessimism? I genuinely don't understand, I have a mental picture of some of the keenest posters on this thread walking around with a mini grey cloud continuously pouring rain on their heads.

Don't get me wrong I think he's signed a couple of decent players recently but none were particularly exciting signing were they? The only boxes that seem to be ticked by MON when it comes to signing players are Solid & Reliable....

As opposed to flashy but unreliable? Okay....

Maybe? I see sport as entertainment and Villa don't entertain me enough anymore to warrant shelling out £30+ a game anymore!

[Greg N'Ash]

Hasbeen.

On a downward spiral.

Not an exciting signing.

Are we talking about Robbie Keane or have I accidentally found a wormhole that has taken me to the Richard Dunne thread circa summer 2009?

Sounds more like a January 2009 wormhole with Heskey to me.

[Concrete John]

ah. back on the christmas party conspiracy theories are we? bottom line is he was dropped for being crap, went into a huff and demanded a loan move to celtic. that after being crap at liverpool. Now after 2 years of being bobbins don't you think its a bit more than temporry form?

Why don't you have a look at the stats and see how many games he played for Spurs when he went back, how many goals he scored for both Liverpool and Spurs in that period and then make an educated assessment of his present level?

My own opinion on him under Redknapp was that he was forced on old 'arry as the board agreed to take him back as Liverpool could not make the next payment.  He than had him, but preferred Defoe and didn;t think they played well together.

[LeeB]

The ideal position for Keane would be just behind the strikers

I agree.

Someone else's strikers.

Keane is on the downward slope now. Hopefully at some point this summer we'll make an ambitious signing for a change rather opting for the predictable every time.

I appreciate the effectiveness of our signings, before anyone suggests otherwise, but wouldn't it be nice to show a little ambition? Ambition doesn't mean signing Lionel Messi either. Just players from a higher level than we have now.  More of the same will not be enough to push us on.

This just won't happen. Unfortunately MON has proved that. The last time we signed anybody like that was Ashley Young wasn't it? Unfortunately now there are far more attractive propositions for these sort of players.

Why? We were in the bottom half of the table when he signed.

He may sign someone who we don't consider a big name signing but goes on to be a world beater. He's got previous.

Why all the brow beating and pessimism? I genuinely don't understand, I have a mental picture of some of the keenest posters on this thread walking around with a mini grey cloud continuously pouring rain on their heads.

Don't get me wrong I think he's signed a couple of decent players recently but none were particularly exciting signing were they? The only boxes that seem to be ticked by MON when it comes to signing players are Solid & Reliable....

As opposed to flashy but unreliable? Okay....

Maybe? I see sport as entertainment and Villa don't entertain me enough anymore to warrant shelling out £30+ a game anymore!

It's your money Bob, that's fair enough.

[pedro25]

Doyle over Keane is crazy talk.  Doyle has top scored in the top flight with 13 one season.  Keane has scored 13 or more 6 times in his career, granted he is 3 yrs older mind.

[LeeB]

Doyle over Keane is crazy talk.  Doyle has top scored in the top flight with 13 one season.  Keane has scored 13 or more 6 times in his career, granted he is 3 yrs older mind.

Doyle will be a better player than Keane over the next three years, regardless of what's happened in the past. That's all we need to be concerned about.

[Concrete John]

If we are going to buy a nomadic striker then at least get a more effective one

I would make a bid for Anelka - now he has scored goals wherever he has been (Mainly against us) and has pace

I am also convinced that Doyle will be with us - he has the perfect credentials for MON

Actually, I checked and the PL records for both Anelka and Keane are a goal every 2.7 games.  And Anelka is a year older.

[Concrete John]

Doyle over Keane is crazy talk.  Doyle has top scored in the top flight with 13 one season.  Keane has scored 13 or more 6 times in his career, granted he is 3 yrs older mind.

Doyle will be a better player than Keane over the next three years, regardless of what's happened in the past. That's all we need to be concerned about.

There's a lot of talk about how Doyle is going to improve and be a top player, but he's now 26 (I think?) and by that age he should be more or less the completed article.

Keane is a short term signing, which needs to be reflected in what we pay for him, but over the next two years I'd expect him to score more and perform better than Doyle.

[Chris Smith]

If we are going to buy a nomadic striker then at least get a more effective one

I would make a bid for Anelka - now he has scored goals wherever he has been (Mainly against us) and has pace

I am also convinced that Doyle will be with us - he has the perfect credentials for MON

From the Indie:

Chelsea are to follow their decision to release both Joe Cole and Michael Ballack by announcing that they have agreed a two-year contract extension with striker Nicolas Anelka.

At 31 Anelka is three years older than Cole, but the Frenchman has become a far more important player for Chelsea, having started 41 games in the club's Double-winning season compared to Cole's total of 22 starts. Anelka's current deal runs out in a year's time but they have moved to tie him to the club until 2013 on a contract worth around £80,000 a week. The two sides have reached agreement and an announcement of the new deal is expected soon.

[Chris Smith]

I fail to see how Keane is a has been, he's scored goals wherever he's been.

People are basing it on the fact that he's been on loan at Celtic without taking into account that he fell out with Redknapp. They also tell us that Harry wouldn't be selling him if he was any good. The same people spent last season moaning that we hadn't signed Darren Bent.

ah. back on the christmas party conspiracy theories are we? bottom line is he was dropped for being crap, went into a huff and demanded a loan move to celtic. that after being crap at liverpool. Now after 2 years of being bobbins don't you think its a bit more than temporry form?

It seems that the only person in the world who sees it as a conspiracy theory rather than a well documented falling out is is a Mr G Nash of West London. I'm reminded of the story of the squaddie on the parade ground pulled up for marching out of step and arguing that he's in step, it is everyone else that is wrong.

[LeeB]

Doyle over Keane is crazy talk.  Doyle has top scored in the top flight with 13 one season.  Keane has scored 13 or more 6 times in his career, granted he is 3 yrs older mind.

Doyle will be a better player than Keane over the next three years, regardless of what's happened in the past. That's all we need to be concerned about.

There's a lot of talk about how Doyle is going to improve and be a top player, but he's now 26 (I think?) and by that age he should be more or less the completed article.

Keane is a short term signing, which needs to be reflected in what we pay for him, but over the next two years I'd expect him to score more and perform better than Doyle.

I think Doyle could still improve.He didn't join Reading till he was 21, from Ireland.
Just from what I've seen of both players in the last 18 months or so he's a better player than Keane already.

[Greg N'Ash]

ah. back on the christmas party conspiracy theories are we? bottom line is he was dropped for being crap, went into a huff and demanded a loan move to celtic. that after being crap at liverpool. Now after 2 years of being bobbins don't you think its a bit more than temporry form?

Why don't you have a look at the stats and see how many games he played for Spurs when he went back, how many goals he scored for both Liverpool and Spurs in that period and then make an educated assessment of his present level?

My own opinion on him under Redknapp was that he was forced on old 'arry as the board agreed to take him back as Liverpool could not make the next payment.  He than had him, but preferred Defoe and didn;t think they played well together.

I have looked at the stats and

1)16 goals in 53 games isn't impressive especially when you consider he's hardly going to be getting more chances to score in our side and his age
2)he only played so few games at spurs because he was bobbins
3)i tend to trust the fans opinion here as well as pure stats and if spurs and liverpool fans think he's bobbins then i reckon there's some truth in it.