Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[peter w]

 
well most of us think he should be looking abroad, but i wouldn't hold your breath. ISM let the cat out the bag on that one.

Maybe so but whoever will sign will be expected to come up with the goods immediately. That's the pressure from us, the fans, especially following Tottenham getting 4th and us realising that we could start going downards with them having stolen a march on us, a more money Man City, and the possibility of a resurgent Liverpool and you can through Everton into the mix.

With that in mind I can see why MON will err on the side of caution. How man foriegners can you name that have come in and been an instant success?

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

That's not what I asked. How many players have been instant successes? That's what will be expected by us, and a player won't be given the luxury of bedding in such as Bergkamp, Henry, Cantona etc who all went on to be great.

[Greg N'Ash]

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

The very top players brought in by the CL clubs are instant successes, due both to them being class and sliding straight into a very good team.  And unfortunately that is not the market we will be shopping in.

How was Rodallega's first season at Wigan, for example?

It won't happen all the time, but I do think it is a consideration that deserves to be taken into account.

Even we managed a few decent foreign signings john.  i realise olof, Laursen etc., are no Davies or knight but still

[LeeB]

think i'd go by our scout rather than you lee. he's a bit more in the know. :0)

How did we sign Guzan if we don't look abroad.

Just because we haven't signed many from offshore, it doesn't mean we aren't looking.

You are quite sweet and naive at times, bless you. :)

[Greg N'Ash]

 
well most of us think he should be looking abroad, but i wouldn't hold your breath. ISM let the cat out the bag on that one.

Maybe so but whoever will sign will be expected to come up with the goods immediately. That's the pressure from us, the fans, especially following Tottenham getting 4th and us realising that we could start going downards with them having stolen a march on us, a more money Man City, and the possibility of a resurgent Liverpool and you can through Everton into the mix.

With that in mind I can see why MON will err on the side of caution. How man foriegners can you name that have come in and been an instant success?

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

That's not what I asked. How many players have been instant successes? That's what will be expected by us, and a player won't be given the luxury of bedding in such as Bergkamp, Henry, Cantona etc who all went on to be great.

i'd say 4 seasons would be sufficient time to bed in, so if he'd bought any they'd definetely have come good by now. maybe entering your 5th season is a bit late no?

[hilts_coolerking]

Of course it's possible point to examples of foreign players who haven't settled at clubs straight away, or at all, but it's equally possible to point to transfers of British players between British clubs which haven't worked out for the same reason.  Shaun Maloney is a case in point.  Cuellar is another who took time to settle in, as is Petrov.

As a policy, or even as a guideline, limiting our range of options to those based in Britain and / or with Premier League experience cannot be beneficial.  We've signed a number of British-based players with Premier League experience who haven't worked out so it doesn't offer any guarantees.

Regardless of whether we do or don't 'look abroad' the fact is that only 3 players in 4 seasons have arrived at the club with no prior experience of British football.  That does point to a very strong preference for the opposite.

[Concrete John]

Link to Eduardo. Albeit an unconvincing one: Mail

You unfortunately posted that just before the latest bout of gregnash v the world!

I've always liked Eduardo and think he'd be a good aquisition.  He strikes me as that sort of 'quick silver' striker with quick feet, if not electric pace.  Good touch and the vision to pass it intelligently, if not the muscle to hold it up overly well.  Dare I say it - a young Robbie Keane?  7 goals in 26 starts doesn't sound fantastic though, but with a run in the team I think he has the ability to produce more than that.

Chances of happening?  Pretty slim I'd say!!

[Greg N'Ash]

think i'd go by our scout rather than you lee. he's a bit more in the know. :0)

How did we sign Guzan if we don't look abroad.

Just because we haven't signed many from offshore, it doesn't mean we aren't looking.

You are quite sweet and naive at times, bless you. :)

we have looked in the past, but as ISM said we're only interested in players with Premiership experience. thats the situation currently

[LeeB]

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

The very top players brought in by the CL clubs are instant successes, due both to them being class and sliding straight into a very good team.  And unfortunately that is not the market we will be shopping in.

How was Rodallega's first season at Wigan, for example?

It won't happen all the time, but I do think it is a consideration that deserves to be taken into account.

Even we managed a few decent foreign signings john.  i realise olof, Laursen etc., are no Davies or knight but still

We made a profit on Knight. We didn't on the other two.

[Greg N'Ash]

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

The very top players brought in by the CL clubs are instant successes, due both to them being class and sliding straight into a very good team.  And unfortunately that is not the market we will be shopping in.

How was Rodallega's first season at Wigan, for example?

It won't happen all the time, but I do think it is a consideration that deserves to be taken into account.

Even we managed a few decent foreign signings john.  i realise olof, Laursen etc., are no Davies or knight but still

We made a profit on Knight. We didn't on the other two.

mcgrath was crap value as well because all we need is to make a profit

[Rudy Can't Fail]

How many players have been instant successes? That's what will be expected by us, and a player won't be given the luxury of bedding in such as Bergkamp, Henry, Cantona etc who all went on to be great.

Bergkamp did okay in his first season in a poor Arsenal side.
Cantona was an instant success, winning the league with Leeds.
Only Henry struggled to adapt in his first season.

[Concrete John]

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

The very top players brought in by the CL clubs are instant successes, due both to them being class and sliding straight into a very good team.  And unfortunately that is not the market we will be shopping in.

How was Rodallega's first season at Wigan, for example?

It won't happen all the time, but I do think it is a consideration that deserves to be taken into account.

Even we managed a few decent foreign signings john.  i realise olof, Laursen etc., are no Davies or knight but still

Ignore the point, which is that some don't (Berson, Balaban) and not that all don't, and get a snide dig in at Davies and Knight in the process?  Well done!

[LeeB]

think i'd go by our scout rather than you lee. he's a bit more in the know. :0)

How did we sign Guzan if we don't look abroad.

Just because we haven't signed many from offshore, it doesn't mean we aren't looking.

You are quite sweet and naive at times, bless you. :)

we have looked in the past, but as ISM said we're only interested in players with Premiership experience. thats the situation currently

Well given that it seems we have a smaller pot than those we're competing with, then signing players proven in the environment you work in is a sensible move, is it not?

[peter w]

 
well most of us think he should be looking abroad, but i wouldn't hold your breath. ISM let the cat out the bag on that one.

Maybe so but whoever will sign will be expected to come up with the goods immediately. That's the pressure from us, the fans, especially following Tottenham getting 4th and us realising that we could start going downards with them having stolen a march on us, a more money Man City, and the possibility of a resurgent Liverpool and you can through Everton into the mix.

With that in mind I can see why MON will err on the side of caution. How man foriegners can you name that have come in and been an instant success?

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

That's not what I asked. How many players have been instant successes? That's what will be expected by us, and a player won't be given the luxury of bedding in such as Bergkamp, Henry, Cantona etc who all went on to be great.

i'd say 4 seasons would be sufficient time to bed in, so if he'd bought any they'd definetely have come good by now. maybe entering your 5th season is a bit late no?

But that's again missing the point. Argue what you like abouut the past 4 seasons but the only relevance is what happens now. So, going into his 5th year on the back of a season seen as a missed opportunity in terms of CL qualification, with the competition being hotter than ever, any player coming in from overseas will be expected to deliver from game 1. By you, me, and the press.

Whether he should have bought from overseas before now is besides the point as this started with you saying he should be looking abroad. maybe he is, and I'd expect him to be doing so but with a healthy dose of realisation that they may not add much to the team until November-December onwards at the eraliest. By which time we may have slipped further behind the pack.

yes ist a gamble but not a gamble worth taking unless you have the luxury of millions to be able to spend and/or waste.

[Greg N'Ash]

what? half the best players in the premiership are foreign. utter utter madness to tie one arm behind your back and ignore every other market but the uk and ireland

The very top players brought in by the CL clubs are instant successes, due both to them being class and sliding straight into a very good team.  And unfortunately that is not the market we will be shopping in.

How was Rodallega's first season at Wigan, for example?

It won't happen all the time, but I do think it is a consideration that deserves to be taken into account.

Even we managed a few decent foreign signings john.  i realise olof, Laursen etc., are no Davies or knight but still

Ignore the point, which is that some don't (Berson, Balaban) and not that all don't, and get a snide dig in at Davies and Knight in the process?  Well done!

its a bobbins point john. yes, some foreign players are crap or don't settle but the same is true of british players

[Concrete John]

mcgrath was crap value as well because all we need is to make a profit

From the bloke who was yesterday arguing against a certain Irish striker, amongst other reasons for a lack of sell on value!