Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[pauliewalnuts]

But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience.'

That's depressing to read. How myopic a transfer pre-requisite is that?

No problem at all with a predominately british/ home countries core. But if we're disregarding players perfectly adequate for our needs on the basis of their passport -and paying way over the odds for similar UK based players- someone needs to have a word.

His interest in Sneidjer often gets trotted out in his defence - a player who we didn't actually sign, lets not forget. But any numbnut could tell you one of the best midfielders in the world might do OK in the Prem. There are a whole rake of players worldwide between Sneidjer's level and the the likes of NRC and Sidwell, players who are plenty good enough to improve us.

Myopic is exactly right.

Look at the team-sheet lads, it's not true.

PL experience, less so. UK experience, absolutely without a doubt.

Guzan, Carew and who else?

[JUAN PABLO]

This was interesting from the BBC

' 'If you go to the World Cup hoping to unearth the next Wayne Rooney you've already missed the bus," said Aston Villa chief scout Ian Storey-Moore, who prioritised May's Under-21 Toulon Tournament ahead of the World Cup in his search for the next wave of talent.
"With the possible exception of North Korea, virtually every member of every squad will be well-known by clubs before a ball has been kicked.
"Occasionally, a player you've never heard of catches your eye but buying on the basis of one tournament is incredibly dangerous. It's easy to get seduced by the spectacle of a major competition but it's the cold light of a November midweek game that will provide the true test.
"World Cups are a culmination of many months' hard work. You're following pre-targeted players and discovering how they cope at the highest level. This is the final test."
But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience.'

So that speaks volumes, I don't think having Premier League experience should be a prerequisite for signing a player.

Says the bloke who no doubt travels around europe watching players we won't be signing.  You couldn't script it.

what the fook do we pay this bloke for?

[Percy McCarthy]

But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience.'

That's depressing to read. How myopic a transfer pre-requisite is that?

No problem at all with a predominately british/ home countries core. But if we're disregarding players perfectly adequate for our needs on the basis of their passport -and paying way over the odds for similar UK based players- someone needs to have a word.

His interest in Sneidjer often gets trotted out in his defence - a player who we didn't actually sign, lets not forget. But any numbnut could tell you one of the best midfielders in the world might do OK in the Prem. There are a whole rake of players worldwide between Sneidjer's level and the the likes of NRC and Sidwell, players who are plenty good enough to improve us.

Myopic is exactly right.

Look at the team-sheet lads, it's not true.

PL experience, less so. UK experience, absolutely without a doubt.

Guzan, Carew and who else?

So, having established that the quote that depressed you was not true, you're now thinking of other things to get depressed about. If you're so determined to be depressed paulie, that you begin making up your own criteria, I don't think I'll be able to talk you out of it.

[Concrete John]

If it'd been something in one of the red tops with no quotes, that's one thing, but this is a direct quote from MON's Chief Scout.

It's hardly the flakiest of sources.

Actually, the bit we're all worked up about is the only bit that wasn't a direst quote.

[pauliewalnuts]

But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience.'

That's depressing to read. How myopic a transfer pre-requisite is that?

No problem at all with a predominately british/ home countries core. But if we're disregarding players perfectly adequate for our needs on the basis of their passport -and paying way over the odds for similar UK based players- someone needs to have a word.

His interest in Sneidjer often gets trotted out in his defence - a player who we didn't actually sign, lets not forget. But any numbnut could tell you one of the best midfielders in the world might do OK in the Prem. There are a whole rake of players worldwide between Sneidjer's level and the the likes of NRC and Sidwell, players who are plenty good enough to improve us.

Myopic is exactly right.

Look at the team-sheet lads, it's not true.

PL experience, less so. UK experience, absolutely without a doubt.

Guzan, Carew and who else?

So, having established that the quote that depressed you was not true, you're now thinking of other things to get depressed about. If you're so determined to be depressed paulie, that you begin making up your own criteria, I don't think I'll be able to talk you out of it.

Cripes, you're a bit tetchy today, Perc.

Thanks for the touching concern for my mental health, but I'm not depressed or looking for things to be depressed about.

I'm merely pointing out that yes, whilst it is true he's bought players without PL experience, he does buy, almost exclusively, players with English or Scottish experience (the two leagues being so similar).

[Percy McCarthy]

But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience.'

That's depressing to read. How myopic a transfer pre-requisite is that?

No problem at all with a predominately british/ home countries core. But if we're disregarding players perfectly adequate for our needs on the basis of their passport -and paying way over the odds for similar UK based players- someone needs to have a word.

His interest in Sneidjer often gets trotted out in his defence - a player who we didn't actually sign, lets not forget. But any numbnut could tell you one of the best midfielders in the world might do OK in the Prem. There are a whole rake of players worldwide between Sneidjer's level and the the likes of NRC and Sidwell, players who are plenty good enough to improve us.

Myopic is exactly right.

Look at the team-sheet lads, it's not true.

PL experience, less so. UK experience, absolutely without a doubt.

Guzan, Carew and who else?

So, having established that the quote that depressed you was not true, you're now thinking of other things to get depressed about. If you're so determined to be depressed paulie, that you begin making up your own criteria, I don't think I'll be able to talk you out of it.

Cripes, you're a bit tetchy today, Perc.

Thanks for the touching concern for my mental health, but I'm not depressed or looking for things to be depressed about.

I'm merely pointing out that yes, whilst it is true he's bought players without PL experience, he does buy, almost exclusively, players with English or Scottish experience (the two leagues being so similar).

I'm not tetchy, just a bit perplexed as to why people are getting worked up about quotes that are so patently incorrect. It's like moaning about Labour winning the election.

Glad you've cheered up though. Back to the original quote that was so depressing to read for you, do you see now that it's not true?

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm not tetchy, just a bit perplexed as to why people are getting worked up about quotes that are so patently incorrect. It's like moaning about Labour winning the election.

Glad you've cheered up though. Back to the original quote that was so depressing to read for you, do you see now that it's not true?

I don't know if it's true or not. Maybe MON has told ISM he only wants to look at players with PL experience?

You might be right in saying it's not true, but to use an argument much favoured by yourself, given a choice between a random bloke on the internet (you, in this case) and our Chief Scout, I tend to opt for the latter.

You've got to listen if it comes from someone like that, and that the almost exclusive signing of players with experience in the UK suggests there's an element of truth in it.

[Dave]

I'm no journalist, but if a chief scout had actually said that in an interview I would be putting it in quotation marks and attributing it.

If the interview had given the general impression that it was what we prefer to do (which is patently obviously from the last four years) then I would probably fudge it and put it in my own words - as has happened here.

[old man villa fan]

It is, how about players who have succeeded without premier league experience. I'll just pick a list off the top of my head, Adebayor, Henry, Drogba, Torres, Palacios, Bergkamp, Hangeland, Figeruoa. There a many many more. If you choose to take a chance it's unlikely you will succeed.

So how many of those players were signed based on their performance at previous world cups?

The article is about scouting at the world cup.  ISM's comment is not about MON's transfer policy in general, even though it may appear so at times.

Some people put a slant on things in a way they would like them to read so as to support their view on things.

[pauliewalnuts]

It is, how about players who have succeeded without premier league experience. I'll just pick a list off the top of my head, Adebayor, Henry, Drogba, Torres, Palacios, Bergkamp, Hangeland, Figeruoa. There a many many more. If you choose to take a chance it's unlikely you will succeed.

So how many of those players were signed based on their performance at previous world cups?

The article is about scouting at the world cup.  ISM's comment is not about MON's transfer policy in general, even though it may appear so at times.

Some people put a slant on things in a way they would like them to read so as to support their view on things.

That may be the case, but isn't that exactly what you've just done, too?

[Dave]

It is, how about players who have succeeded without premier league experience. I'll just pick a list off the top of my head, Adebayor, Henry, Drogba, Torres, Palacios, Bergkamp, Hangeland, Figeruoa. There a many many more. If you choose to take a chance it's unlikely you will succeed.

So how many of those players were signed based on their performance at previous world cups?

As an aside, who was the last player signed by a Premier League club on the basis of their performance at a World Cup who was a total success?

Hadji looked like the best player I had ever seen in that first Morocco game in 1998. Couldn't believe that Coventry managed to sign him.

[pauliewalnuts]

Talking of players who look the part in international tournament, who was that (Turkish) German player people were saying was going to be massive after the last U21 tournament?

[Dave]

Talking of players who look the part in international tournament, who was that (Turkish) German player people were saying was going to be massive after the last U21 tournament?

Mesut Ozil.

Who will quite possibly be massive after this World Cup. Probably the one top-class player who will be playing for them this summer.

[old man villa fan]

It is, how about players who have succeeded without premier league experience. I'll just pick a list off the top of my head, Adebayor, Henry, Drogba, Torres, Palacios, Bergkamp, Hangeland, Figeruoa. There a many many more. If you choose to take a chance it's unlikely you will succeed.

So how many of those players were signed based on their performance at previous world cups?

The article is about scouting at the world cup.  ISM's comment is not about MON's transfer policy in general, even though it may appear so at times.

Some people put a slant on things in a way they would like them to read so as to support their view on things.

That may be the case, but isn't that exactly what you've just done, too?

No, I don't believe I have.

I have gone back to the full article on the BBC and read it in full. My comment is how I interpreted it.  If you think my interpretation is incorrect, I am open to listen to your reasoning.  Have you read the full article or are you just commenting on other posters' comments.

[KevinGage]

As Paulie says though, it's not just the ISM article that bears this out.

It's our buying policy pretty much since 2006 that provides the most evidence.

The writer of the article might just have been relaying what ISM said and for the sake of repetition didn't duplicate.  

But Storey-Moore admitted Villa boss Martin O'Neill would only be interested in men with Premier League experience "Martin will only be interested in players with Premier League experience," he said.

Looks pretty weird, no?

I'd say the lack of specific quote marks on that particular point might be more open to question if it was alleging that ISM announced something quite outlandish, a break with recent policy for example.  But seeing as it is effectively telling us what we already know, it would be very hard to argue that the point has been misconstrued.