Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[PaulTheVillan]

Getting back to Beckford, where does all this 'he's free so he's worth a punt' mularkey come from?
There is no such thing as a free transfer, the fee would be given to Beckford over the period of a 4 year contract.
He's apparently getting £25,000 per week, so Everton's total outlay is £10.2m!!!

No way is that 'worth a punt'

How much was Harewood?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Getting back to Beckford, where does all this 'he's free so he's worth a punt' mularkey come from?
There is no such thing as a free transfer, the fee would be given to Beckford over the period of a 4 year contract.
He's apparently getting £25,000 per week, so Everton's total outlay is £10.2m!!!

No way is that 'worth a punt'

How much was Harewood?

Exactly. £3.5m and fuck knows how much in wages.

Even Salifou must have cost about £2m in wages.

[Risso]

Getting back to Beckford, where does all this 'he's free so he's worth a punt' mularkey come from?
There is no such thing as a free transfer, the fee would be given to Beckford over the period of a 4 year contract.
He's apparently getting £25,000 per week, so Everton's total outlay is £10.2m!!!

No way is that 'worth a punt'

How much was Harewood?

Exactly. £3.5m and fuck knows how much in wages.

Even Salifou must have cost about £2m in wages.

Harewood was £4.5m, the same as Carew.  He is therefore, our joint most expensive striker.

[Concrete John]

Luke Young had got back in the team and was playing really well.  Warnock sustained an injury, so Young was played at left back.  Then when all of the back 5 were fit again, it was Young who was left out, despite playing well.  if players were dropped after bad performances, then Cuellar after his nightmare against Blackburn should have been given a rest, but wasn't.  The only logical conclusion is that O'Neill saw Young as the player he didn't mind falling out with.  I've asked before and I've never received an answer as to what he did to deserve to be dropped.

No, it is not.

What about 'all four are fit and available, so Young is the one I think is best left out for the balanceof the side'?  We may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not what he thought.

[Risso]

Luke Young had got back in the team and was playing really well.  Warnock sustained an injury, so Young was played at left back.  Then when all of the back 5 were fit again, it was Young who was left out, despite playing well.  if players were dropped after bad performances, then Cuellar after his nightmare against Blackburn should have been given a rest, but wasn't.  The only logical conclusion is that O'Neill saw Young as the player he didn't mind falling out with.  I've asked before and I've never received an answer as to what he did to deserve to be dropped.

No, it is not.

What about 'all four are fit and available, so Young is the one I think is best left out for the balanceof the side'?  We may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not what he thought.

But that'd mean that our manager's an idiot.  He's not an idiot is he John?

[Concrete John]

Luke Young had got back in the team and was playing really well.  Warnock sustained an injury, so Young was played at left back.  Then when all of the back 5 were fit again, it was Young who was left out, despite playing well.  if players were dropped after bad performances, then Cuellar after his nightmare against Blackburn should have been given a rest, but wasn't.  The only logical conclusion is that O'Neill saw Young as the player he didn't mind falling out with.  I've asked before and I've never received an answer as to what he did to deserve to be dropped.

No, it is not.

What about 'all four are fit and available, so Young is the one I think is best left out for the balanceof the side'?  We may not agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not what he thought.

But that'd mean that our manager's an idiot.  He's not an idiot is he John?

Sorry - didn't realise anyone that disagrees with your views is an idiot.

[Mazrim]

Can you all find one big room please.


Right, now Walcott is pissed off, lets get a bid in. Wenger might be tempted.
He (Walcott) might be in a frame of mind to try something new.

[Captain Trips]

Getting back to Beckford, where does all this 'he's free so he's worth a punt' mularkey come from?
There is no such thing as a free transfer, the fee would be given to Beckford over the period of a 4 year contract.
He's apparently getting £25,000 per week, so Everton's total outlay is £10.2m!!!

No way is that 'worth a punt'

How much was Harewood?

Am i missing out on something here? £25k a week for 4 years is £5.2m. Is Beckford getting a £5m signing on fee???

[paul_e]

THe thing with Young is he does get beaten by nippy wingers a little too often, malouda making a complete mug of him was one of the lowlights of 'that' non performance.

Aside from that MON seems to like players that are willing to dig in and prove that they deserve to be given a spot, Young's decision to drop out of the england reckoning because he wasn't getting a fair crack probably didn't go down too well, and the [incredibly unfortunate] need for him to have compassionate leave right on the back of an injury lay off forced o'neill to try something else which he thought worked well so he stuck with it.

There's really nothing more to it.  O'Neill does have a track record of getting rid of people that aren't willing to prove themselves to him (Davis and Cahill being great examples) but that's what he expects from players.  His choice of management style is that he wants every single player to prove they deserve their chance, whether we agree with his assessment in this regarding some players isn't relevant, if MON is anything it's that he's not afraid to back himself.

As for Beckford, I'd not have been against him but I'm not bothered he hasn't come either.  Personally I prefer Charlie Austin of the league 1 strikers from last season, 5 years younger and looks like more of a goal scorer than beckford who is nearly as wasteful as gabby can be, but wouldn't even consider him a target as he's only had 1 season as a pro, I reckon he'll end up at a decent club though.

[Chris Smith]

I know you love to find hidden agendas in everything but I think generally the most obvious answer is the correct one. In this instance he lost his place due to being on compassionate leave and during that time MON decided he preferred what Carlos offered at right back.

That doesn't even remotely tally with what actually happened.

Luke Young had got back in the team and was playing really well.  Warnock sustained an injury, so Young was played at left back.  Then when all of the back 5 were fit again, it was Young who was left out, despite playing well.  if players were dropped after bad performances, then Cuellar after his nightmare against Blackburn should have been given a rest, but wasn't.  The only logical conclusion is that O'Neill saw Young as the player he didn't mind falling out with.  I've asked before and I've never received an answer as to what he did to deserve to be dropped.

Simple really, MON wanted to play what he saw as his best defence.

[Mike Jeffries]

It really is much better with B*llsh*t in the thread title, well done all concerned.

[Concrete John]

O'Neill does have a track record of getting rid of people that aren't willing to prove themselves to him (Davis and Cahill being great examples) but that's what he expects from players.  His choice of management style is that he wants every single player to prove they deserve their chance, whether we agree with his assessment in this regarding some players isn't relevant, if MON is anything it's that he's not afraid to back himself.

If you mean players out of the side need to do their upmost in training and those that don't struggle to get back in, you may have a very good point.

[peter w]

Getting back to Beckford, where does all this 'he's free so he's worth a punt' mularkey come from?
There is no such thing as a free transfer, the fee would be given to Beckford over the period of a 4 year contract.
He's apparently getting £25,000 per week, so Everton's total outlay is £10.2m!!!

No way is that 'worth a punt'

How much was Harewood?

Exactly. £3.5m and fuck knows how much in wages.

Even Salifou must have cost about £2m in wages.

Harewood was £4.5m, the same as Carew.  He is therefore, our joint most expensive striker.

Surely Angel stands ahead in that score? As does Collymore.

[supertom]

Can you all find one big room please.


Right, now Walcott is pissed off, lets get a bid in. Wenger might be tempted.
He (Walcott) might be in a frame of mind to try something new.

Not entirely sure. Wenger took a promising striker and turned him into a bobbins winger.

The most frustrating thing about Walcott besides poor delivery, is the fact he doesn't take players on enough. Someone like Aaron Lennon thrives in skinning a fullback, but too often Walcott looks reluctant. Every now and again for Arsenal, and in the one game for England, he'll have a stormer to paper over the cracks, but I just think, having moved to Arsenal and not played so often, he's not developed into nearly the prospect that everyone expected in 06.

He's a decent finisher given a chance, but he's not had the time to learn the game. I also think Arsene will keep him, wht with te new ruling on home grown players coming in. I personally would rather we concentrated on Fonzie.

[peter w]

MON has always liked big blokes in his back line. I know Luke Young is 6ft or so, but you know what I mean, big beefy blokes, your average f*ck-off bruiser stoppers.

That's why MON was happy with Mellberg on thew right, and also Cuellar. Bouma would be a regular if he was fit.

but with the latter gone MON bought a left-back who is now going to the World Cup. Regarding Cuellar i think MON wants to play him at centre-half as he really hasn't done anything to warrant being dropped when he plays there. More, he has played very very well there.

So I think MON's choice is between Collins and Young. And I think Risso is kind of right. Its not about who he doesn't mind falling out with but which one does he think the team will miss the least. He went for Young.

Now its a judgement call and Collins had as good a first season as you'd like to see. I think that he tailed off a little in the last month or so, but that's a minor quibble aboiut a player who could be a Villa captain.

So, Collins was in. Cuellar was playing well enough to stay in the team, so Young missed out. Which goes onto which player does MON think we'll miss the least? If Luke Young gets injured, or we need another rfight-back then Cuellar is there. Ans he won't leave or be peed off by being on the bench. If Collins or Dunne is injured, and Cuellar isn't there I don't think MON wants to go back to Davies.

All in all I think MON got it just about right. And I say that as someone who likes Luke Young, and also as someone who has been calling for MON's head since about April of the 08-09 season.