Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[Greg N'Ash]

personally i think the idea of the passing, join in the with attack right-back is against his instincts and seeing most modern right-backs are of that type he's rather stuck with converting centre halves. He'd have had kittens if he'd inherited a full-back like cole or Johnson

[Concrete John]

personally i think the idea of the passing, join in the with attack right-back is against his instincts and seeing most modern right-backs are of that type he's rather stuck with converting centre halves. He'd have had kittens if he'd inherited a full-back like cole or Johnson

It's defence first, which works well with two wingers, and then anything else is a bonus.  See Stephen Warnock.

[Monty]

I see. So you believe that he prefers defensive full-backs, Greg? Fair enough, I see what you mean. However, the signing of Warnock seems to disprove that, as he is something of an all-rounder, as most full-backs these days actually aspire to (Maicon, for all his adventure, is an excellent defender). That's not to say that you have to have identical full-backs on either side, but it does show that MON is not ideologically opposed to attacking full-backs.

[Greg N'Ash]

maybe john. i don't doubt young was told not to venture forward much as is warnock.

[Lee]

The fact that most of us prefer Young at RB does not mean that we're right.  Wasn't there a majority against the Dunne signing last summer?  For whatever reason MON prefers Cuellar and given how good the defence was last season, maybe he was actually right?

Personally, I've always thought too much was made of it last season and it wasn't the major problem some made it out to be!

John, this was the same Manager that only the season was lauded his performances, a good proportion at LB and stating that he should be in the mix for England Selection.

So what changed?

[Monty]

The fact that most of us prefer Young at RB does not mean that we're right.  Wasn't there a majority against the Dunne signing last summer?  For whatever reason MON prefers Cuellar and given how good the defence was last season, maybe he was actually right?

Personally, I've always thought too much was made of it last season and it wasn't the major problem some made it out to be!

John, this was the same Manager that only the season was lauded his performances, a good proportion at LB and stating that he should be in the mix for England Selection.

So what changed?

Presumably the player's performance changed.

[Concrete John]

maybe john. i don't doubt young was told not to venture forward much as is warnock.

But is it 'instructions', or their own footballing sense when you've got a flying winger infront of you?  Either way, I can't see the likes or Cole or Johnson playing the same way they do now if they had out and out wingers playing infront of them.

[Clampy]

Other than that game to forget down at Stamford Bridge and Arsenal away, i can't think of too many other times where our defence took a hammering. Whether people rate him as a right back or not, Cuellar played his part in that decent defence.

[Concrete John]

The fact that most of us prefer Young at RB does not mean that we're right.  Wasn't there a majority against the Dunne signing last summer?  For whatever reason MON prefers Cuellar and given how good the defence was last season, maybe he was actually right?

Personally, I've always thought too much was made of it last season and it wasn't the major problem some made it out to be!

John, this was the same Manager that only the season was lauded his performances, a good proportion at LB and stating that he should be in the mix for England Selection.

So what changed?

I think what changed was we brought in 3 other strong defenders (Dunne, Collins & Warnock) so the manager had greater options and picked what he saw as his best defence.  Just do clarify - I do rate Luke Young and would have played him more than Martin did last season.  So I'm not slagging the player, just pointing out that the manager's decision may have been right despite what we think.

[Clampy]

maybe john. i don't doubt young was told not to venture forward much as is warnock.

But is it 'instructions', or their own footballing sense when you've got a flying winger infront of you?  Either way, I can't see the likes or Cole or Johnson playing the same way they do now if they had out and out wingers playing infront of them.

I suppose you could say Malouda plays in front of Cole at Chelsea, although not in a 4-4-2 formation.

[Lee]

The fact that most of us prefer Young at RB does not mean that we're right.  Wasn't there a majority against the Dunne signing last summer?  For whatever reason MON prefers Cuellar and given how good the defence was last season, maybe he was actually right?

Personally, I've always thought too much was made of it last season and it wasn't the major problem some made it out to be!

John, this was the same Manager that only the season was lauded his performances, a good proportion at LB and stating that he should be in the mix for England Selection.

So what changed?

Presumably the player's performance changed.

He looked fine to me before Xmas when Collins was out injured. Perhaps the Manager just became more intransigent as regards to his philosophy on Right Backs.

[Greg N'Ash]

I see. So you believe that he prefers defensive full-backs, Greg? Fair enough, I see what you mean. However, the signing of Warnock seems to disprove that, as he is something of an all-rounder, as most full-backs these days actually aspire to (Maicon, for all his adventure, is an excellent defender). That's not to say that you have to have identical full-backs on either side, but it does show that MON is not ideologically opposed to attacking full-backs.

i think a modern full-back's game involves getting forward. If you don't want that, then its pointless having one, like buying a sports car and not going over 30. i think Warnock has been able to adapt to those limitations imposed on him much better than Young did although he looks uncomfortble sometimes, and while we saw young's performances as good full-back play, MON was less than happy. any right-back brought in will have the same problem adopting his natural game to MON's rather than a centre half like Cuellar who's very happy to punt it to the half-way line all day.

[Concrete John]

I see. So you believe that he prefers defensive full-backs, Greg? Fair enough, I see what you mean. However, the signing of Warnock seems to disprove that, as he is something of an all-rounder, as most full-backs these days actually aspire to (Maicon, for all his adventure, is an excellent defender). That's not to say that you have to have identical full-backs on either side, but it does show that MON is not ideologically opposed to attacking full-backs.

i think a modern full-back's game involves getting forward. If you don't want that, then its pointless having one, like buying a sports car and not going over 30. i think Warnock has been able to adapt to those limitations imposed on him much better than Young did although he looks uncomfortble sometimes, and while we saw young's performances as good full-back play, MON was less than happy. any right-back brought in will have the same problem adopting his natural game to MON's rather than a centre half like Cuellar who's very happy to punt it to the half-way line all day.

Ridiculous.  Just because Martin prefers safety first fullbacks, which is a conclusion we've drawn and not necessarily 100% accurate, means we punt it long?  These attacking fullbacks you like so much do not run the length of the pitch with the ball, they pass it simple and then advance forward off the ball to recieve it again on an overlap in a crossing position.  So this hardly translates to kick and rush if they do not make those forward runs.

[Concrete John]

Moving back to transfer talk, does anyone think we will be bringing in TWO strikers, which the links to Keane and Rodaellga would suggest?

Presumably we are going for 4 in the squad and Gabby and the Fonz are nailed on.  With one of Carew and Heskey to leave, that gives 'space' for one more, which Keane seems the likeliest to fill right now.

So, are BOTH Carew and Heskey off?  Is the Fonz going out on loan, which hasn't been speculated at in the press?  Or are they wrong and it's just one coming in?

[supertom]

Moving back to transfer talk, does anyone think we will be bringing in TWO strikers, which the links to Keane and Rodaellga would suggest?

Presumably we are going for 4 in the squad and Gabby and the Fonz are nailed on.  With one of Carew and Heskey to leave, that gives 'space' for one more, which Keane seems the likeliest to fill right now.

So, are BOTH Carew and Heskey off?  Is the Fonz going out on loan, which hasn't been speculated at in the press?  Or are they wrong and it's just one coming in?

I'd say we'll be getting one in. I think Mart will have a list and work his way down it. Carew will stay, Heskey will go, or perish the thought, vice versa. Mart likes a big man though, so one will stay. After netting 17 goals last season, and 15 the season before, it'd be crazy to sell Carew given the fee we get would be small.

If we did get two, then Fonz should be loaned to a Prem club, or decent Champ side, to see how he fares over 20 -30 games (touch wood).