The lack of patience in football

[pauliewalnuts]

From that article, and this is what it boils down to:

laven Bilic was the latest statistic in the merry-go-round, the second Watford dismissal of the campaign, after being given five and a half months. He was replaced within minutes – 17 to be precise – by the former Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder, who started the season at Middlesbrough.

Who was then sacked and replaced by someone who is doing significantly better than he was.

I also think it is a bit too convenient to use Watford as one of your main examples, everyone knows their owners are absolute fucking headcases (including Bilic when he took the job).

A bit like saying "You really can't trust medical workers, look at Harold Shipman".

I am sure some managers don't get enough time, but there are plenty who are appointed far too early in the first place (partly as a result of the fawning football establishment) and then given far too long when things are clearly going badly.

[chrisw1]

There's a balance between patience and missing your big opportunity.

Ellis did the latter criminally.  Lerner was unfortunate MON didn't quite have the guile to get us that final step - his lack of imagination in the transfer market cost us. 

Right now this is our current big opportunity.  We need to take it before Newcastle start to dominate.  Possibly we're 12 months too late.  It's unfortunate Man U and Arsenal now have fine managers and have found form.

[Risso]

There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.

[paul_e]

There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.

This is why I think every manager needs a yo-yo club as one of their early jobs. A club where 7-8 games unbeaten isn't completely unheard of but also 7-8 without a win happens as well. Going to a 'big fish' and winning everything rarely creates managers who can replicate that success, especially if you step up to a tougher division. It was always my biggest concern with Gerrard because it risks tactical inflexibility and means the pressure the first time things go to shit hits so much harder. Carrick and Kompany are probably both in perfect jobs to be fair, a chance to show they can win games and get promotion and then a chance to show they can adapt to get enough points and avoid going straight back down. By the end of next season they'll either be the next big thing(s) or looking to rebuild their reputations, which is exactly how it should be for a young manager.

[LeeB]

There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.

This is why I think every manager needs a yo-yo club as one of their early jobs. A club where 7-8 games unbeaten isn't completely unheard of but also 7-8 without a win happens as well. Going to a 'big fish' and winning everything rarely creates managers who can replicate that success, especially if you step up to a tougher division. It was always my biggest concern with Gerrard because it risks tactical inflexibility and means the pressure the first time things go to shit hits so much harder. Carrick and Kompany are probably both in perfect jobs to be fair, a chance to show they can win games and get promotion and then a chance to show they can adapt to get enough points and avoid going straight back down. By the end of next season they'll either be the next big thing(s) or looking to rebuild their reputations, which is exactly how it should be for a young manager.

Kompany's work is particularly impressive as he's completley changed the way they've played for ages and got the results with it

[dave.woodhall]

Said it before, I'll say it again. Just about every great manager has been sacked at some point.

[Neil Hawkes]

Said it before, I'll say it again. Just about every great manager has been sacked at some point.

F**k no - that means Gerrard's still got a chance of being great.