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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2026, 04:06:43 PM
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Got what we deserved imo. Didn't have anywhere near enough to break them down, they played with 10 as well as it's possible to and we had no response.
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I hate those fucking ******
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Never in doubt. Unfortunately.
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Fucking hell.
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Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off.
Shit weekend.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we were never in the title race.
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Two horrible home games in a row. This was one of the worst ever under Emery.
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Imagine losing three times in a season to dreck like that.
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27 shots and their keeper wasn't pulling off endless world class saves.
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Hopefully Real Madrid were watching 8)
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I didn't think we was that bad - created quite a bit.
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Fucking shit.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we were never in the title race.
Well maybe if three our best players didn't get injured and maybe if we didn't have shit officiating. Really sickened by villa fans writing us off all year
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
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Absolutely dreadful. Devoid of quality or ideas against 10 men.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
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I didn't think we was that bad - created quite a bit.
It wasn't.
Freak result.
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You cannot tell me that the goal we scored was out of play. The linesman didn’t call it. Neither did the ref. And the video was inconclusive. Zero proof. Antonio’s the cunting goal. We played all the way up the pitch too. That is a scandalous decision on my view.
They had every single bounce of the ball too.
Freak result.
Onwards.
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Are VAR gonna start checking every time a ball goes out from now on? Villa against 10? We knew what was gonna happen. Very disappointes but they defended like 10 Paul McGraths and we had no idea.
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Good job our route to the Europa League Final is so easy.
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We need to lobby for a change in the rules so we get a choice as to whether the opponent loses a player.
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Really poor tactics second half. We now have a proper 6ft plus CF and just play tippy tappy around the box
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And if I have to read how well Brentford played I will poke my eyes out. They are shit:
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Brentford didnt have to do much to win that.
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Failed to beat 10 man Sunderland, lost to 10 man Brentford. Elite sides don't tend to do that.
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Anti-football won today.
I really don’t think we were all that bad. Even on their goal, Pau positioned himself perfectly to block the initial cross and it went straight back.
Most shots we’ve taken all year. I thought Doug and Cash looked good today. We really didn’t hone in on Tammy when we went a man up, which I thought was a mistake.
Just a huge stinkin pile of crap today.
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Was the ball out is going to be the next 'why didn't Barry take the penalty'. Let's just guess eh?
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Failed to beat 10 man Sunderland, lost to 10 man Brentford. Elite sides don't tend to do that.
No, we have a real issue upping the tempo when a side just blocks the centre of the pitch.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
So you don’t agree Emery was tactically inept today? On other days he is a genius but today was a stinker.
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Absolutely horrendous. The double done by Brentford. Back to back 1-0 defeats after Everton. Title challenge in tatters. Of course injuries have crushed us and getting new players to settle in isn’t easy. But there is no excuse for that. Oh and VAR can fuck right off taking an eternity and literally finding every margin and angle to disallow goals. We would have won had that stood but now two games in a row a massive VAR decision has impacted the possible outcome.
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Missed Watkins.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
So you don’t agree Emery was tactically inept today? On other days he is a genius but today was a stinker.
What did he get wrong then, Ein Stein?
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Two points from eighteen Vs Brentford, Palace and Everton. Even an average set of results against this lot would have us top. We seem to be doing our best to repeat the opening five games of the season.
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What is the solution to this low block kryptonite? I'm getting sick of us passing it around doing nothing. We may as well stand there and scratch our heads.
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I thought he made a big mistake in basically leaving one centre mid on. God knows what’s up with Onana, but we needed to build from the middle and instead just emptied the midfield.
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If you're going to sling it in the box for 20 minutes chuck Mings in there
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We always struggle against these stoke city types. They defended well, wasted time and every bounce seemed to fall for them. Even their goal was a flukey bounce.
Didn’t help that we played it around so slowly and seemed completely devoid of ideas.
The disallowed goal was a joke - may as well pull it all the way back to kick off.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
So you don’t agree Emery was tactically inept today? On other days he is a genius but today was a stinker.
What did he get wrong then, Ein Stein?
Should have at the very least put more height in the box with Onana & Mings.
Also ordered them to give it to Rogers at every opportunity.
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£50 safely in my pocket rather than watching that shit. Second 0-1 loss at home to a middling team in a row, garbage signings, it’s like being a Villa fan again. Woooooo!
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The middle was far too congested, we needed wingers to keep swinging balls in and anticipate the knock-downs. Except we left two of our best aerial assets, Mings and Onana, catching splinters on the bench.
It wasn't a game for nifty but lightweight players like Buendia and Elliott. We had to fight fire with fire. But Emery just stroked his chin and pulled those odd expressions of his.
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Real Madrid have to play against teams that play like that every game. Think on, Unai.
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We could've been playing against 10 squirrels and still wouldn't have scored.
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We were never remotely good enough to win the league and with three such good midfielders injured, I'd take a top 8 finish and win the Europa League now.
For what its worth the last 25 mins would have been Mings up front and ball after ball into the box, the tippy tappy just gave them ample time to organise.
VAR is killing the game, that ball was more than likely out but you couldn't say it was 100% definite so the goal should stand.
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We need to lobby for a change in the rules so we get a choice as to whether the opponent loses a player.
This is very true. At kick off I was half expecting disappointment today. When they went down to 10 I fully expected it.
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You take the engine out of a car and it runs crap.
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They had a load of big players in defence though. We had no one that stretched them out of shape, they defended against us easily. Maybe Ollie would have had joy, but it definitely isn't Tammy's game and Rogers didn't drive at them enough. We didn't play badly, but we also didn't play well.
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If you're going to sling it in the box for 20 minutes chuck Mings in there
We didn’t sling it in the box at all..? We put one corner in, and it seemed like only Matty had permission to cross from the right. Everything else was 3-man at the corner of the box.
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They got a lucky goal - great finish but it bounced straight back at him.
That var was mental. They can't say the ball is 100% out - they dont know it is we dont have the technology in place to say that. And using it in that way is just bent.
They cant use VAR to correct the bleatent second yellows, or to correct corners given the wrong way. They cant use it to correct a goal v Man Utd that potentially cost us 50m. But a ball that was "probably" out 90 yards away from the goal that was scored is just not what it was intended for.
No way that goes against one of the sky 6.
We lacked composer in the box - but fair play to Brentford the defended brilliantly.
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Just when you think we are a genuinely good team we turn back into the Villa we've known for the last 25 years. Fucking Brentford. I didn't see the match, but not scoring vs 10 is one thing, but how did we let those cloggers even score?
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We missed Ollie.
An underpar Ollie still causes problems.
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Tough one to take. Feels like it might have been a pivotal weekend.
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We didn't that badly really. It's not as if we didn't have chances. Guilty of overplaying at times and taking silly shots on. Pretty rotten VAR call against us too. Thought Tammy was disappointing but so was Ollie v Everton. Luiz had a solid return. Not starting Onana was a bit silly on the face of it. Elliot just added another similar player to the mix. Awful to lose 0-1 at home to very average Everton and Brentford teams but we go again.
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They had a load of big players in defence though. We had no one that stretched them out of shape, they defended against us easily. Maybe Ollie would have had joy, but it definitely isn't Tammy's game and Rogers didn't drive at them enough. We didn't play badly, but we also didn't play well.
Yeah, Tammy really struggle (disallowed goal apart) when they went to 10. We needed more disruption of the defence.
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They got a lucky goal - great finish but it bounced straight back at him.
That var was mental. They can't say the ball is 100% out - they dont know it is we dont have the technology in place to say that. And using it in that way is just bent.
They cant use VAR to correct the bleatent second yellows, or to correct corners given the wrong way. They cant use it to correct a goal v Man Utd that potentially cost us 50m. But a ball that was "probably" out 90 yards away from the goal that was scored is just not what it was intended for.
No way that goes against one of the sky 6.
We lacked composer in the box - but fair play to Brentford the defended brilliantly.
Yeah. That call was an absolute ****** trick.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
So you don’t agree Emery was tactically inept today? On other days he is a genius but today was a stinker.
What did he get wrong then, Ein Stein?
Should have at the very least put more height in the box with Onana & Mings.
Also ordered them to give it to Rogers at every opportunity.
So, sling it into the box and give it to the star kid?
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We missed Ollie.
An underpar Ollie still causes problems.
How did he go v Everton?
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I think we’d have won with 11 v 11
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Tough one to take. Feels like it might have been a pivotal weekend.
Agree. The weekend where we start looking at who's coming up behind us rather than who's ahead of us. Would be heartbreaking to do a Forest.
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Bloody clueless by Emery.
Same approach all half.
You are always great for the comedy. Should we sack him then
So you don’t agree Emery was tactically inept today? On other days he is a genius but today was a stinker.
What did he get wrong then, Ein Stein?
Should have at the very least put more height in the box with Onana & Mings.
Also ordered them to give it to Rogers at every opportunity.
So, sling it into the box and give it to the star kid?
They could try both.
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I still think 45 mins of continuously crossing into their box would bring more decent chances than constantly passing back and forth across the pitch! It never works!
Their centre backs must’ve thought it was their birthdays!
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All fart and no shit.
As soon as they went to 10 men I knew we wouldn’t win that
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Why didn’t we bring Onana and Mings on and try a bit of Pulis-ball ourselves?
I tried to be optimistic about Bailey coming back but he was exactly as I remembered, awful.
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I still think 45 mins of continuously crossing into their box would bring more decent chances than constantly passing back and forth across the pitch! It never works!
Their centre backs must’ve thought it was their birthdays!
It never works, apart from when it did 14 times this season. We used to throw crosses into the box all the time. We got relegated.
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I thought the VAR thing was very irritating, but there was so long to go and we didn’t really force any decent saves. That’s not good enough - we’ve had a great season so far, and hopefully it’ll conclude as a great season - but there’s no getting away from it the last two home league performances have been rubbish.
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Why didn’t we bring Onana and Bailey on and try a bit of Pulis-ball ourselves?
I tried to be optimistic about Bailey coming back but he was exactly as I remembered, awful.
He wasn't too bad but awful effort with that shot. Should have scored.
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It works very well, but not against sides that rarely leave their penalty area.
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The disallowed goal was the only time we broke quickly. The rest of the time we were so slow.
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Can not lose as many influential players and not stutter
New guys not in tune with each other, however totally pissed off as it is the Villa way
Need another wide option tomorrow I dont see Leon as the man
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On this occasion, with time running out, we should have had more height in that box and throw it in there!
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Bit weird by Emery today. Playing ten men so he takes off the only wide player who was causing them any trouble. Playing against a bunch of 9'3" mutants and getting dozens of corners so he doesn't bring on our most physical player.
Losing three times to those twats is unfun, but glad I don’t have to watch them every week, horrible side. If that sounds bitter, yes, it absolutely is.
Oh and Man U got a 94th minute winner, because of course they did.
Football can fuck off this week. It has been an absolute twat.
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If you're going to sling it in the box for 20 minutes chuck Mings in there
We didn’t sling it in the box at all..? We put one corner in, and it seemed like only Matty had permission to cross from the right. Everything else was 3-man at the corner of the box.
We tapped it around in front of them, sometimes went down the left and crossed it low, other times went across to Konsa, then Cash, Bailey, then crossed it in.
Other than the Leon chance on the break, that's pretty much all we did.
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The quality of the passing was poor and that really hindered us gaining momentum - so often the pass was slightly behind the player, or overhit. It just spoke to a pretty sloppy performance.
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It was always going to be a banana skin today, even before the red card. We can't win every game.
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The middle was far too congested, we needed wingers to keep swinging balls in and anticipate the knock-downs. Except we left two of our best aerial assets, Mings and Onana, catching splinters on the bench.
It wasn't a game for nifty but lightweight players like Buendia and Elliott. We had to fight fire with fire. But Emery just stroked his chin and pulled those odd expressions of his.
We could have had Haaland, Peter Withe and Andy Gray and none of them would have scored because we can't bloody cross the ball. Cash can only cross from the left but he plays on the right, his brilliant one-twos with Bailey - Cash to Bailey back to Cash back to Bailey back to Cash, Cash to Konsa, as threatening as turning up to a gun fight with a water pistol and so fucking predictable. Useless. No wonder Roma sent Bailey back and still pay his wages.
Rogers out on the left wing for most of the game was another pointless exercise. Why not trust Maatsen to own the space? Again, like Salzburg Brentford filled the centre of the park forcing us to go wide and we immediately become toothless. We had more than enough to win today but put in such a lame performance we didn't deserve a point.
Beautiful move for the disallowed goal but I think everybody and their dog would be furious if that was the other way round. The ball was clearly out. The only discussion is why did it take VAR so long to decide.
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It was always going to be a banana skin today, even before the red card. We can't win every game.
Well no, but you’d hope to not lose to Everton and Brentford in back to back home games and fail to score in either.
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Really frustrating. I actually think.we didn't play that badly and it was always going to be difficult to break them down. Disallowed that equaliser was key, as that would have taken a lot of pressure off and we wouldn't have been so rushed.
What has happened to them? Used to be a really good footballing side, but now are one the most niggly and cynical sides I've seen. Unfortunately the ref was too piss weak to deal with them and got bullied into giving them everything.
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Shit but thats how it goes sometimes. On to the next one. Tammy and Doug will settle in and lets hope Ollie is fit and is coming back soon.
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I hope that VAR call gets the scrutiny it deserves. VAR is not there for whether it THINKS the ball crossed the line. They're saying it factually went out, so they better provide evidence it was definitely out. It looks like it might be, but that's NOT sufficient to rule out a goal. VAR is not there to offer opinions on whether a ball is out, or not.
At 1-1 and with 40+ mins to play, it's an entirely different game. Feel sorry for Tammy, that was a good poacher's goal. Once it was disallowed, it was like the Brentford players grew 6 inches each and our shrank a little.
We didn't play well enough to win, and dominating possession and with 27 shots doesn't get you points unless you convert, and we didn't create many "good" chances.
A really disappointing weekend. All the teams around us winning, and also losing at home to that park-the-bus shite.
Unai needs to do what he does best and get us back to winning ways quickly.
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You cannot tell me that the goal we scored was out of play. The linesman didn’t call it. Neither did the ref. And the video was inconclusive. Zero proof. Antonio’s the cunting goal. We played all the way up the pitch too. That is a scandalous decision on my view.
They had every single bounce of the ball too.
Freak result.
Onwards.
There needs to be clarification of that decision today, as I can't see how it can be argued that the officials followed the proper process.
1. How far do you go back to check decisions? Even the explanation they put on the screen was wrong as it said it had "occurred in an attacking phase of play" when Bailey was in fact defending by his own goal line
2. Is that a precedent now that everything needs to be checked when a goal is scored?
3. The VAR officials haven't got the technology to make a definitive decision in those circumstances, so are in fact just guessing and therefore how can that deemed a 'clear and obvious error'?
4. The VAR official made a subjective decision that overruled the on-field decision made by the officials. Surely in those circumstances the ref should be called to the screen to look at it as well?
To end up having a VAR official looking at something for ages and then just guessing isn't acceptable. Not when these decisions can be so costly as we saw with the one at Old Trafford last season.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Pointless, probably inaccurate, but entirely predictable post.
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You're being silly now.
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It was always going to be a banana skin today, even before the red card. We can't win every game.
Well no, but you’d hope to not lose to Everton and Brentford in back to back home games and fail to score in either.
We couldn't have predicted that we'd beat Arsenal and Citeh at home either. Shit happens.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Pointless, probably inaccurate, but entirely predictable post.
What exactly would he have done? His finishing is no better than what we had out there.
We were camped inside their box. Did we really need him to chase anything down and lay it off?
Does he play defence splitting passes?
Does he even take a good penalty?
No so what would he have offered? I'm all ears pal.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Total and Utter Bollocks
Episode 4397
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You can't confidently state something which is impossible to prove eitherway. This is obvious.
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There’s some enormous positives from today. The main one being that having been schooled twice this season by Keith ‘lovely mop’ Andrews and Meat n Potatoes Moyes there’s no way Unai is getting the Real job.
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Can you take this to the Watkins thread?
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No, because it’s been said so many times. I just don’t think you understand - that’s fine, let’s not bother tying up another thread with it.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
"A man obsessed / is a man possessed / by a demon."
Hubert Selby Junior
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You can't confidently state something which is impossible to prove eitherway. This is obvious.
Tell that to the people saying we missed Watkins.
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Why didn’t we bring Onana and Mings on and try a bit of Pulis-ball ourselves?
I tried to be optimistic about Bailey coming back but he was exactly as I remembered, awful.
All 4 ball players in 2nd half were off it. Bailey Sancho Elliot did little and Buendia was tactically not in a goos space.
Posiitves were Cash and Luiz. Wr didnt work Kelleher enough - Watkins would have worked their centre halves more I feel.
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Oh and Villa are the ultimate bottle jobs. I’ve no idea how we are ever going to shift that culture.
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Bailey needs to do much more with his chance late on. I didnt see anything much in Elliot. Sancho, was better on the left but we really need more contributions from players like Sancho and Bailey.
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Some positives for me (though they were buried under a mountain of dreck)
First Half - It looked like Luiz and Buendia linked up well
Bailey looked as though his confidence was coming back
Err...tha...tha...that's all folks
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We seemed utterly devoid of ideas and just couldn’t move the ball with any pace.
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I would also ask Dave to keep his daughter away from our matches in future.
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At least we're not Spurs
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At least we're not Spurs
Yeah fuck them and their trophy and CL football. So glad it's not us.
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VAR were obviously guessing because after reviewing the ball on the line from all available angles they moved to checking incidents in the box. At that stage I was confident they’d award the goal as that’s the precedent.
Overall we could have created better chances but Brentford understandably packed the box and we couldn’t break them down.
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We’ve lost our whole midfield for weeks and Watkins. It’s not an excuse but a reason as to why we aren’t at it. I’m not laying into any of those out there today and definitely not the manager.
I’d like to lay into what is a farce of this VAR crap but I think everything has been said about it that can be. We all know what it is.
UTV
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We didn't bottle anything, those players gave everything but were devoid of ideas and inspiration and it is just not good enough to keep pace with those around us.
But we have had enough shit thrown at us to last a lifetime in terms of injuries, VAR and not being allowed to spend.
We are absolutely punching above our weight in the circumstances, that's not say that I'm not disappointed.
But lesser managers and sides may buckle, but Emery won't and nor will we.
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I wish Bailey hadn't gone for the Hollywood top-corner as the clock struck 90. Just get it on target and hopefully it spills to a Villa player if Kelleher can't handle it. It was the only time we had them running towards their own goal in the second half following a a rare foray forward.
You need to score the first goal against the likes of these and Everton. They're too well-organised at the back so our penchant for coming from behind to win was always going to be sorely tested. I hate Brentford!
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I think we’d have won with 11 v 11
I think so too. Their goal is partly due to complacency. As soon as they go down to 20 men, there’s no pretence about them trying to force the issue. They just sit back in a compact shape and we struggle to play through them.
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I think we’d have won with 11 v 11
I think so too. Their goal is partly due to complacency. As soon as they go down to 20 men, there’s no pretence about them trying to force the issue. They just sit back in a compact shape and we struggle to play through them.
20! I knew that box was congested.
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There's a massive difference to playing crap and bottling it. We played crap, didn't deserve to win. We showed bottle to come from 2 down a fews day ago, at Newcastle and in Turkey.
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Just about qualifying for CL now.
Losing McGinn, Tielemans and Kamara so huge
Good news is both debutants looked promising, particularly first half
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The middle was far too congested, we needed wingers to keep swinging balls in and anticipate the knock-downs. Except we left two of our best aerial assets, Mings and Onana, catching splinters on the bench.
It wasn't a game for nifty but lightweight players like Buendia and Elliott. We had to fight fire with fire. But Emery just stroked his chin and pulled those odd expressions of his.
We could have had Haaland, Peter Withe and Andy Gray and none of them would have scored because we can't bloody cross the ball. Cash can only cross from the left but he plays on the right, his brilliant one-twos with Bailey - Cash to Bailey back to Cash back to Bailey back to Cash, Cash to Konsa, as threatening as turning up to a gun fight with a water pistol and so fucking predictable. Useless. No wonder Roma sent Bailey back and still pay his wages.
Rogers out on the left wing for most of the game was another pointless exercise. Why not trust Maatsen to own the space? Again, like Salzburg Brentford filled the centre of the park forcing us to go wide and we immediately become toothless. We had more than enough to win today but put in such a lame performance we didn't deserve a point.
Beautiful move for the disallowed goal but I think everybody and their dog would be furious if that was the other way round. The ball was clearly out. The only discussion is why did it take VAR so long to decide.
Saved me from typing.
Muito obrigado, meu amigo.
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That was so easy to defend against.
Sit back, block up the central areas and watch the opposition do the same shit over and over and over again for 40 mins.
Tip tap in front of the defence, try and shuffle it to whoever is fucking about on the left wing, and then stifle it.
No variation and certainly no pace to worry about.
Easy.
There was a definite quality issue today.
We can carry our ‘poorer’ players when we are a full strength.
But when your real quality is missing (I’ll include Onana) to lift the whole group, then players like Buendia, Maatsen, Bogarde and Sancho look very, very ordinary.
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There's a massive difference to playing crap and bottling it. We played crap, didn't deserve to win. We showed bottle to come from 2 down a fews day ago, at Newcastle and in Turkey.
Yep it’s not bottling it. We’ve just lost our rhythm at home - obviously 4 key players being absent doesn’t help.
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Unai Emery on the disallowed goal: “For VAR it is difficult to analyse and so tight as well. I think the problem is the VAR should not be asking in this situation. I accept it but it is not fair."
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In key moments we bottle it. Today, Everton, palace, manure, even PSG, Fulham.
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In key moments we bottle it. Today, Everton, palace, manure, even PSG, Fulham.
PSG? Where did we bottle it exactly?
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We were a bit clueless in the 2nd half. So many short corners, too slow to play through or around them. I dont think they had to defend especially well. We let them have far too much time to get back into tight rows of 5 and 4.
With the disallowed goal, if any set play had occurred immediately after the ball had been deemed to be out of play, for example, and then we scored, VAR wouldn't have even got involved.
Then there are times when VAR doesn't get involved in situations when it should; e.g. goals scored from corners which aren't corners.
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Var is there for ‘clear and obvious errors’ not for scrutinising something to the n’th degree to find something wrong to justify taking so long in the first place!
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In the first leg letting a 3rd in in injury time then deciding to go 2 down at home after 20 minutes leaving us too much to do. Okay I’ll give you PSG but the rest.
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Emery made the wrong change for me. Elliot, Sancho, Bailey, Buendia, they were all cutting in field to where Brentford had lots of players. Onana should have come for and pushed Luiz forward. Even Barkley late on as he's good in the air. I like Elliot but it wasn't really the game for him.
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Just checked
And yes - we are still 3rd
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Just checked
And yes - we are still 3rd
Is the gap behind us closing ?
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Total and Utter Bollocks
Episode 4397
Probably the most stupid one of the lot as well.
Unless smirker has earned a fortune from his ability to correctly predict every game Ollie has scored in. In which case, fair play.
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I wouldn't be furious if that goal had been given against us, we would've had plenty of chances to stop it. I would be angry with the linesman but there is no way I would've expected VAR to intervene. We had many chances to win today but didn't which I'm frustrated about.
But when you have the restrictions we operate under, my God you need a bit of fortune and perhaps some luck. You don't need endless shitouts reffing the game and making the rules up as they go along. It really doesn't help.
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Why didn’t we bring Onana and Mings on and try a bit of Pulis-ball ourselves?
I tried to be optimistic about Bailey coming back but he was exactly as I remembered, awful.
All 4 ball players in 2nd half were off it. Bailey Sancho Elliot did little and Buendia was tactically not in a goos space.
Posiitves were Cash and Luiz. Wr didnt work Kelleher enough - Watkins would have worked their centre halves more I feel.
A valid opinion. But not quite up there with an absolute.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Total and Utter Bollocks
Episode 4397
Probably the most stupid one of the lot as well.
Unless smirker has earned a fortune from his ability to correctly predict every game Ollie has scored in. In which case, fair play.
Does he score goals? I thought he was entirely inept…
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Just checked
And yes - we are still 3rd
Is the gap behind us closing ?
Yes but in the next round of matches it may widen again
I’m not denying it was an awful weekend
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attacking the Holte end first half, then playing against 10 men
You knew we were fucked
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The ball probably was out of play but it seems like these weird decisions only ever seem to happen to us, see Lansbury at Palace, Citeh goal during covid when they rewrote the rules the next day, Bailey v Sheff Utd, Rogers at Man Utd last season. I know they happen to other teams and I just don't notice them but it's putting me down in the dumps right now.
I thought we were OK today, got done by a sucker punch and huffed and puffed but failed to turn it around (goal notwithstanding). Similar to Everton really. Two poor results in the context of our home form generally and what we are hoping to achieve. The fatalistic and pessimistic side of me thinks this is typical Villa choking at the big moment but we had a good week before this and there'll be more good times to come this season I'm sure.
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Strongly suspect neither Onana and Barkley were fit enough to play as the formers presence and the laters guile would have been points of difference.
Really frustrating to lose to Stoke Redux. Awful side with one ball; long over the top looking for the gap between centre half and full back. Playing percentages, taking an eternity to take a throw (which was often a foul throw), knocking lumps out of people and being anti-football. I take heart that these ****** will, eventually, be flushed down the league like every other Mickey Mouse nobody. ******. Beat us twice by defending deeper than your average coal mine and getting a lucky bounce. Fucking ******.
Bogarde was their best player first half. Broke up every attack we had. Tammy unlucky not to score, not sure the Kopite in goal knew much about it, equally Konsa. What was that?! Goal came as no suprise- its just the Villa way to concede massively against the run of play and with their only effort at goal all fucking game.
Deserved red, horrible little bastard.
We struggle with our fab four out in midfield. Who wouldn't. Watkins running in behind equally missed. He terrorised Newcastle last week. Felt everything was so samey though- not enough confidence in crossing the ball to compete with their lumps at the back which made it too easy.
VAR has had a lovely guess. Looked out, potentially to me. Absolutely zero conclusive evidence though, so naturally the goal that was given on the field...is overturned. What the fuck does "phase of play" mean. 19 seconds and 100 yards of pitch. Just fuck off.
Monumental frustrating day.
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The ball probably was out of play but it seems like these weird decisions only ever seem to happen to us, see Lansbury at Palace, Citeh goal during covid when they rewrote the rules the next day, Bailey v Sheff Utd, Rogers at Man Utd last season. I know they happen to other teams and I just don't notice them but it's putting me down in the dumps right now.
I thought we were OK today, got done by a sucker punch and huffed and puffed but failed to turn it around (goal notwithstanding). Similar to Everton really. Two poor results in the context of our home form generally and what we are hoping to achieve. The fatalistic and pessimistic side of me thinks this is typical Villa choking at the big moment but we had a good week before this and there'll be more good times to come this season I'm sure.
Exactly my thoughts. Whether the ball was in or out is debatable and certainly not clearly as the VAR explanation stated but a simple question. If that was at the Emirates, the Etihad or Anfield, would VAR have spent over 4 minutes looking at an incident at the other end of the pitch 20 seconds before in the play which neither the referee or linesman called? We know the answer.
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Whatever happened to “clear and obvious” If it takes that long to decide, it’s neither.
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VAR is not there to offer opinions on whether a ball is out, or not.
Is this correct?
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
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Had forgot Konsa's effort in first half, wish it had stayed forgotten. Awful
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As I said in the match thread: if Rice, Odegaard, Merino and Zubimendi are all injured at once, Arsenal immediately start losing.
Same goes for Abu Dhabi FC if Rodri and Reijnders break their knees the same week.
No team can lose its entire first choice midfield and compete consistently. Lady luck has fucked us again.
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“From what point does the VAR check incidents leading to a penalty or goal?
The VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the penalty or goal.
The starting point will be limited to the immediate phase. The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession.
The VAR will consider the ability of the opposing defence to reset, and the momentum of the attack.”
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Anyone mentioned Dave is banned from bringing his daughter to any Villa games?
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VAR is not there to offer opinions on whether a ball is out, or not.
Is this correct?
I don't recall VAR adjudicating on a throw in before. And even if it was within their remit, which I doubt, the fact remains that the video evidence was insufficient to make a 100% definitive decision.
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
What is there to say about it? We need to find a way to win games with the options we've got. For what it's worth, I thought Luiz looked alright, some nice touches.
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VAR reminded me of one that basically turned the table against Arsenal last year I think. They would have been 5 points ahead of Man City but VAR said offside was not conclusive so definitely offside and the goal for them didn’t stand.
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
What is there to say about it? We need to find a way to win games with the options we've got. For what it's worth, I thought Luiz looked alright, some nice touches.
It's worth mentioning it, I think!
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Desperately frustrating day.
Clearly, we’re going to need a little time to adjust to having three such crucial players out, as would any side losing three the quality of Kamara, McGinn, and Tielemans. Emery will find a way though, he always does.
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
Youri would probably have found a way to break the roadblocks in the centre of the park but I thought we also missed SJM just as much. there was nobody dragging the team forward when everybody is looking around at each other expecting others to do something. Missing McGinn's leadership and his driving passion, lifting the side when it most needs it was a key factor today. There were no leaders on the pitch.
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Yeah, McGinn is the heart and the drive on days like this. A fit Onana is a different level of presence, too. Obviously Kamara controls the entire midfield, when on song.
Almost like having your whole midfield injured and having to start newbies and kids together is, like, bad.
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VAR reminded me of one that basically turned the table against Arsenal last year I think. They would have been 5 points ahead of Man City but VAR said offside was not conclusive so definitely offside and the goal for them didn’t stand.
It would have been two years ago against Newcastle. There was three or four decisions they needed to check. Did the ball go out? Was their a handball? Was there a foul? Was the Newcastle scorer ahead of the ball and last defender if the other Newcastle player touched it? On all decisions they stated it was too inconclusive to judge any of them so on field decision stands. That was even when the ball looked so far over the line from one angle that if they had stated it went out, no one would have argued much at all.
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I thought we missed all the injured players that were out today. We just didnt look the same. Deserved a point at least.
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Strongly suspect neither Onana and Barkley were fit enough to play ....
... Monumental frustrating day.
Agree with you about Onana and Barkley only being on the bench for show. Also agree that Bogarde was piss-poor. Clearly we're down to the bare bones of the squad but Sancho is shite and Bailey reminded me once again that he is usually all fart and no shit. I'd honestly have played KY ahead of Sancho.
Late on, we missed someone like Barkley to play the killer pass.
Having said ask that we were in pretty solid control throughout the game, apart from that raking pass over Maatsen's head for the goal.
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We absolutely did not miss Watkins.
He would have offered nothing useful today.
Pointless, probably inaccurate, but entirely predictable post.
What exactly would he have done? His finishing is no better than what we had out there.
We were camped inside their box. Did we really need him to chase anything down and lay it off?
Does he play defence splitting passes?
Does he even take a good penalty?
No so what would he have offered? I'm all ears pal.
not in the 1st half we weren't
we didn't have a penalty so that's a pointless comment
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
I said it in the match thread after 15 mins. However, it doesn't need much discussing though, he is our best player and we are always going to miss him.
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So we didn’t score any goals today but our in form striker who’s on a very good scoring streak wasn’t missed.
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The goal should have stood, I did think it was probably over the line, but for the officials to over turn the decision, they have to be 100% certain, which they clearly coudn't have been.
Will give credit to Brentford, they defended well the 2nd half, the only real chances we created were from Tammy and Leon. The goal was fortunate but it was a cracking strike from Ouattara. Having now done the treble over us Brentford have now taken over from Palace as our bogey side this season, hopefully we won't meet them in the FA Cup!
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As frustrated with VAR as everyone else.
Its about time we realised that the way to beat sides who put every man behind the ball is to go wide and get to the by line rather than trying to thread the eye of the needle in the middle.
Couldn’t understand all the short corners.
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
I said it in the match thread after 15 mins. However, it doesn't need much discussing though, he is our best player and we are always going to miss him.
I think we very particularly miss him in games like these, which won't be every game.
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Hi don’t post much but it’s entertaining to see the first few pages of posts when we lose …..them rationality comes into it and you can usually understand why we lost….10 men…🤷
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£50 safely in my pocket rather than watching that shit. Second 0-1 loss at home to a middling team in a row, garbage signings, it’s like being a Villa fan again. Woooooo!
How amusing.
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I thought we looked off even before the sending off and never really played fluidly.
The wide men never really beat their opponent and our shooting was poor. Felt we needed to have one of our good strikers of the ball like Rogers on the edge of the box and not Konsa and Pau. They defended brilliantly but I think they could do so as we weren’t really challenging their big defenders. Somebody above said maybe throw on Mings or Onana to contest the crosses and that could have helped shake them out of their comfortable positioning.
One of those days we were destined not to score and I felt the players ran out of belief. As did the crowd.
And that VAR decision is never ever going to be made at Manyoo or Liverpool
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
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We did look off before the sending off - for the first 20 mins we had no control of the game.
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
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The midfield is going to be a massive problem now for the next couple of months. We haven't had a right sided attacker all season and in the centre were now cobbling together Bogarde, who isn't good enough with a football, Onana who is never fully fit and Luiz who hasn't played much football in 2 years. That midfield currently won't be good enough to finish top 5. It's a shame but Kamara, McGinn and Tielemans all out at the same time is going to kill the season.
Throw in Watkins somehow getting injured when he's always fit in a meaningless group stage game.
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
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I don’t think anything he’s said is particularly untrue. He’s talking about this game and Everton - which have been pretty bloody dreadful. The other results were bad, now if he said the whole season had fallen apart I’d agree it was going too far, but I don’t think he is.
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We look a good bet to go down next season.
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I don’t think anything he’s said is particularly untrue. He’s talking about this game and Everton - which have been pretty bloody dreadful. The other results were bad, now if he said the whole season had fallen apart I’d agree it was going too far, but I don’t think he is.
Thanks paul and correct im referring to the recent games. I dont know if its fatigue or what but certainly wasnt expecting a performance like that. It was the opposite of the newcastle one.
One thing that was annoying today was all the long range shooting. This was just a waste instead of creating chances for tammy. We created virtually nothing for him.
Unfortunately i think rogers had a poor game
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Just read this on the premier league site…
It will not review the decision to award a corner instead of a goal-kick, even if the corner produces a goal.
This is because the VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the goal, and the starting point is limited to the immediate phase, in this instance the corner being taken.
So what do they exactly mean by the attacking possession phase? When we got the ball away from near the corner flag surely that can’t be considered attacking possession?
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Just read this on the premier league site…
It will not review the decision to award a corner instead of a goal-kick, even if the corner produces a goal.
This is because the VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the goal, and the starting point is limited to the immediate phase, in this instance the corner being taken.
So what do they exactly mean by the attacking possession phase? When we got the ball away from near the corner flag surely that can’t be considered attacking possession?
Dont expect a acceptable answer. They will come up with some waffle to cover their arses like rogers goal last season
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attacking the Holte end first half, then playing against 10 men
You knew we were fucked
We attacked the Holte end first half again Bournemouth. 10 men issue is valid.
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I felt you could tell after about 10-15 mins, it was going to be a struggle today. Saying all that if Tammys goal had stood i think we go on to win.
As has been said we missed Tielemans guile and McGinns drive.
It was really frustrating in the second half but as opposed to some comments on here and in the ground, I dont think lumping it in the box would of achieved much against their big centre backs.
Some positives, I thought Dougie really grew into the game and good to have him back. I also don’t understand the pile on, on Bailey, he worked hard, made one great challenge when Thiago was nearly through and was a threat.
The idea we bottle it, is melodramatic nonsense.
And I believe Ollie would of scored a hat trick and Smirker really needs to provide proof that he wouldn't of.
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attacking the Holte end first half, then playing against 10 men
You knew we were fucked
We attacked the Holte end first half again Bournemouth. 10 men issue is valid.
The crowd was up at the start, kicking towards the Holte first has worked for us previously.
We’ve scored some great goals from outside the box this year but today it was wild shooting. Did look to me like Elliot’s shot was goal bound but stopped by the head of their defender.
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I am sure I read that we have a better record when we attack the Holte End in the first half. It's no excuse.
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Didn't we have a near identical VAR decision against us last year, where Ollie appeared to run the ball out of play at the North Stand end?
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No one to blame but ourselves, played a bang average team who were down to ten men for an hour and still couldn't score. To make it more galling they scored AFTER the sending off. To be fair they defended to the death but then again they had to didn't they. They had the run of the ball all afternoon and the VAR fiasco takes some accepting - does anyone at FIFA give a flying fuck about the paying spectator who has to sit through all that nonsense. They nearly scored from the resultant throw in and if thats gone in a riot would have followed I'm sure. How come Kelleher gets attention from their Physios and didn't have to go off and come back on again??. All three were in the back of the net but so they could theoretically claim they were off the pitch but you can't continue playing like that. It may have been worth switching Pau for Tyrone for the last 15 minutes or so because he is far more of a threat from set pieces They were a nasty niggling horrible side who reminded me of Allardyces Bolton but they beat us and we've only got ourselves to blame.
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
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We've drew a blank in 3 of our last 6 games now. I was hoping the window would improve our attacking impetus but we're having to use it to plug holes instead. I'm a little down this evening, I just don't see how a midfield as mangled together as ours is going to offers control and threat. Emery is going to have to fight another fire.
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
Demitri is a bit of a wailing over-reacter, to say the least, but tbh, I don't see a lot there that hasn't been said by dozens of people on this thread so far.
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I just don’t get why Uni didn’t bring Digne on who’s probably the best crosser we have, seeing as we were never going to break them down passing it around the edge of the box - and esp now we have a 6’4” striker to get on the end of them
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Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.
What is there to say about it? We need to find a way to win games with the options we've got. For what it's worth, I thought Luiz looked alright, some nice touches.
It's worth mentioning it, I think!
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Yeah, no need to be mean, Meanwood!
I agree with you on Luiz. Some of his touches were swoonsomely deft.
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As frustrated with VAR as everyone else.
Its about time we realised that the way to beat sides who put every man behind the ball is to go wide and get to the by line rather than trying to thread the eye of the needle in the middle.
Couldn’t understand all the short corners.
We have little height in the same with no Onana or Mings. Made sense to try short corners. Maybe could have swapped Bailey and Sancho for a bit.
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
I think you have issues mate. Ive not gone over the top on that post but you chose for some reason to pick mine out (as usual despite there being posts 20x worse and not said a word to those posters. Wonder why?) i just have to sneeze and then you will jump on me. God knows why and not really interested thats your issue.
You want me to say we were wonderful today? And im proud today after losing at home to 10 men. Why would i do that 😂
It was bad today cant defend that. No excuse to lose that game
Hopefully we put this right next week
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
Demitri is a bit of a wailing over-reacter, to say the least, but tbh, I don't see a lot there that hasn't been said by dozens of people on this thread so far.
Thanks PW and your right i am abit OTT at times why do you think i have cut my posting and i virtually don't post in match threads these days. I am working on it
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I haven't been this angry about a game in years. I just cannot get over that VAR check
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
I think you have issues mate. Ive not gone over the top on that post but you chose for some reason to pick mine out (as usual despite there being posts 20x worse and not said a word to those posters. Wonder why?) i just have to sneeze and then you will jump on me. God knows why and not really interested thats your issue.
You want me to say we were wonderful today? And im proud today after losing at home to 10 men. Why would i do that 😂
It was bad today cant defend that. No excuse to lose that game
Hopefully we put this right next week
I cant remember the last time I replied to one of your posts, its been a while so dont come that 'I only have to sneeze' nonsense. Agreed, there have been some other over the top posts but you seem to go over the top more than most. I don't like the result today any more than you do. I just tend to be a bit more rational. Try it sometime.
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Frustrating today but should have got something there . I feel like we needed to almost give them possession to try and entice them to attack ( could have been dangerous ) But from our non goal , the speed in which we attacked and the space available would have given us more opportunities. Too many times we were to slow getting up to their penalty box and trying to thread a ball through l
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Just a utterly shit weekend all round. Most results went against us. Someone we managed to duck it up against ten men. It was painful on the eyes
Slow predictable pedestrian football. This game could have gone on for another 10 hours and we wouldnt have scored. We were a shambles at times in this game.
I just cannot believe we have zero points against everton and 10 man brentford at home. That is absymal
We're third in the table. Calm down and look at why we're there.
Im very calm actually so abit strange why you have said that when thwre has been worse posts for many pages before- i stand with all my post its not OTT or reactionary that's how it is in my view
It is abysmal to have 0 points or goals 0 in last two home games. We were alsmo played off the park for long periods of the game vs salzburgs youngsters. Its not been good the last three home games overall
Its because you go stupidly over the top whenever we lose and try and sound as angry as possible. After Newcastle, you were 'so proud of this team'. What's changed? We've lost a whole first choice midfield and had Ollie out today. Try and look at things in context before coming out with silly things like 'Salzburgs youngsters'.
I think you have issues mate. Ive not gone over the top on that post but you chose for some reason to pick mine out (as usual despite there being posts 20x worse and not said a word to those posters. Wonder why?) i just have to sneeze and then you will jump on me. God knows why and not really interested thats your issue.
You want me to say we were wonderful today? And im proud today after losing at home to 10 men. Why would i do that 😂
It was bad today cant defend that. No excuse to lose that game
Hopefully we put this right next week
I cant remember the last time I replied to one of your posts, its been a while so dont come that 'I only have to sneeze' nonsense. Agreed, there have been some other over the top posts but you seem to go over the top more than most. I don't like the result today any more than you do. I just tend to be a bit more rational. Try it sometime.
Yes because i have rarely posted recently and you have jumped straight on it. Thanks for proving my point- in this instance you are the one going OTT. Its so unnecessary and dont preach to me about rationale when your not using it yourself ! 😂
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I don’t think his post was that irrational - there have been posts like that before - but just struck me as fair accurate, albeit emotional.
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I didnt think we were terrible or abysmal, it was just frustrating that we couldnt break them down. The disallowed goal would have possibly changed the game. We're having a blip, it was bound to happen at some point. We've got a week to work on things and get the new players gelling whilst the other players are out.
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Back on topic as im pretty sure everyone is more interested in talking about the game - i hope onana is fit for next weekend. I think luiz and onana in middle is a exciting partnership.
I would take buendia out as i think he had a poor game. I think bogarde probably bas to stay in
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I haven't been this angry about a game in years. I just cannot get over that VAR check
I was angrier Xmas 2023 when we should have gone top but had a goal chalked-off at home to Sheff Utd in the last-gasp 1-1 when earlier in the 2nd half Ramsey (I think) had a goal chalked-off for a phase of play thing.
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Kept playing balls into the box from the wings against big lumps who eat that up for breakfast. Should have kept it central and threaded through the middle imo.
At 1-0 down against 10 men, it was always going to be tough. Tammy had a good game, but think we missed Ollie's energy in the press. Never really put their defence under pressure. Thought Dougie and little Emi put in the best shifts today.... and Leon should have buried that chance at the end too.
Defence need to take a look at themselves imo. They're like keystone cops at times, and were our undoing today. Conceding that goal just before HT was our undoing. Seeing far too many episodes like this lately.
Konsa is going to get found out too - Any time he's in a face off with an attacker, he'll go down at the first opportunity. One of these days, the ref is going to wave play on, and he's going to look a right idiot.
Missed opportunity today, but don't think the midfield injuries were to blame. Piss poor defending, officiating and tactics cost us today, not missing players. Makes it even more frustrating that 3 points would have put us up to second place.
Onwards and hopefully upwards! UTV
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Back on topic as im pretty sure everyone is more interested in talking about the game - i hope onana is fit for next weekend. I think luiz and onana in middle is a exciting partnership.
I would take buendia out as i think he had a poor game. I think bogarde probably bas to stay in
Buendia wasn't great today but was outstanding at Newcastle. Dropping him would be madness. Rogers was off it too really, seemed a bit leggy after a decent shift during the week. Sancho meh as ever really but definitely better in second half.
Disappointing.
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We have to do something about these slow starts and playing catch up, other than that Brentford played a game that on balance was so static, crammed into there defense everybody behind the ball, well organized shite, I think Ollie and Tammy together, we would have hammered them.
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Back on topic as im pretty sure everyone is more interested in talking about the game - i hope onana is fit for next weekend. I think luiz and onana in middle is a exciting partnership.
I would take buendia out as i think he had a poor game. I think bogarde probably bas to stay in
Buendia wasn't great today but was outstanding at Newcastle. Dropping him would be madness. Rogers was off it too really, seemed a bit leggy after a decent shift during the week. Sancho meh as ever really but definitely better in second half.
Disappointing.
I feel like buendia and luiz didnt really click today.left quite a few gaps and were not really linking up well. It is one game so could take abit of time.
Sancho i didnt think was great today either tbh
I really dont want us to sign him permanently
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I thought Sancho had one of his better games as he was actually taking on the defender and creating a bit of panic.
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Is there genuinely a top level side as bad against ten men so often as we are?
We were rubbish at it in the days of Bruce and DS but our team wasn't top level like it is now.
In less than 12 months we've drawn at home to Ipswich when they went down to 10 men at 0-0. Sunderland went down to 10 men, we scored and still couldn't win and today I genuinely thought when Schade was walking off we'd probably concede quickly either side of half time and it happened.
Certainly watching the second half we looked pretty clueless after the goal was ruled out. Spent 20 minutes wasting time trying to play intricate one twos on the left side of Brentford's box. Set plays were also poor as very often if you're struggling in open play just getting a free header in the box can create a good chance.
I have a horrible feeling we might get this type of situation in a Europa league second leg so we need to wise up to this issue quickly.
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Kept playing balls into the box from the wings against big lumps who eat that up for breakfast. Should have kept it central and threaded through the middle imo.
Didn't see it that way - the central channel was packed with all of their players, there was little space to thread through balls. We hardly played any crosses at head-height into the box probably for the very reason you state. But for the lack of any other plan, at least throwing Mings or Onana on would have evened-up the odds of winning a header in the box.
It was like a training exercise game, attack versus defence. To lose to these shysters 3 times in 6 months with their painfully limited tactics is both infuriating and embarassing.
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Another gifted goal by Villa. How many of those this season. Straight after them down to ten men was a killer.
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I thought Sancho had one of his better games as he was actually taking on the defender and creating a bit of panic.
Agree, I do not se why we took him off.
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I could see people walking from under the Trinity on 78 mins from my seat in L7. So with 10 mins of extra time that's over 20 mins missed. I'm sorry, but WTF are people thinking. Very poor...
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Kept playing balls into the box from the wings against big lumps who eat that up for breakfast. Should have kept it central and threaded through the middle imo.
Didn't see it that way - the central channel was packed with all of their players, there was little space to thread through balls. We hardly played any crosses at head-height into the box probably for the very reason you state. But for the lack of any other plan, at least throwing Mings or Onana on would have evened-up the odds of winning a header in the box.
It was like a training exercise game, attack versus defence. To lose to these shysters 3 times in 6 months with their painfully limited tactics is both infuriating and embarassing.
It is both of those things - however, if we finish top 4, win the Europa League, and FA Cup I’ll take it as penance. We’ve got a rare week without a game in the middle of the week - hopefully a chance for Onana, Ollie, and Barkley to get fit and us to reset ourselves a bit.
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I could see people walking from under the Trinity on 78 mins from my seat in L7. So with 10 mins of extra time that's over 20 mins missed. I'm sorry, but WTF are people thinking. Very poor...
I dunno, there were plenty of people on here saying we wouldn't have scored if we'd played another three hours....
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To keep ending up with the ball with Konsa on the edge of the penalty area was somewhat frustrating.
If it was someone who can actually shoot we might have caused them a few more problems.
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Kept playing balls into the box from the wings against big lumps who eat that up for breakfast. Should have kept it central and threaded through the middle imo.
If only that were true.
The way to beat packed defences is to go wide and get behind them and pull the ball back.
Instead we had Bailey and Sancho on the wrong flanks and continually playing the ball inside outside the box. Then a series of one twos until we lost posession.
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That’s the most gutted I’ve felt after a loss for quite some time, probably even after coming away from Wembley against Palace, and still feel shit after 6 hours of the final whistle. Even though it probably wasn’t realistic I wanted to keep within touching distance of Arsenal but as our home form has gone to pot recently it’s really not happening now. A combination of that VAR decision and not breaking down 10 men for an hour is hard to swallow. I just hope we can go all the way in the Europa league.
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Their manager got it right, long ball over the top terrifies Pau and Konsa, struggled with the long throw ins too. They were on top for most of the first half and we were out muscled all over the pitch. We lack the guile to break down packed defences and moving Rogers out to the wing where he was easily isolated was wrong. Tammy was effective first half and was unlucky a couple of times, he was lost against a packed defence second half. Luiz did okay but he is no Tielemans.
Thats twice in a couple of weeks we have been found wanting against teams we should have beaten which i'm sorry to say is very Villa.
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Kept playing balls into the box from the wings against big lumps who eat that up for breakfast. Should have kept it central and threaded through the middle imo.
If only that were true.
The way to beat packed defences is to go wide and get behind them and pull the ball back.
We did get behind them a couple of times on the left hand side and pulled the ball back but it was behind with no players coming onto the ball.
From memory the best chance of the second half was the ball to Bailey on the right, he had the defender back peddling and beat him but blasted the ball instead of going for accuracy.
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It's not much fun watching us play against 10 men. Just let him stay on the pitch.
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To keep ending up with the ball with Konsa on the edge of the penalty area was somewhat frustrating.
If it was someone who can actually shoot we might have caused them a few more problems.
Agreed, it was so frustrating, every single attack fell to Konsa, central on the edge of the area. Taking Sancho off and moving Rogers to the left was a mistake imo.
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Disappointing result, when we found Tammy in the box, which wasn’t often, he had no one up there to lay it of too grrrr
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Everton and Brentford winning at Villa Park, Villa winning at St James's. We might actually win at Molineux this season.
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To keep ending up with the ball with Konsa on the edge of the penalty area was somewhat frustrating.
If it was someone who can actually shoot we might have caused them a few more problems.
Agreed, it was so frustrating, every single attack fell to Konsa, central on the edge of the area. Taking Sancho off and moving Rogers to the left was a mistake imo.
It was, our sole method became give it to Rogers and unfortunately Brentford worked this out.
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Bad day at the office but still third, by 5 points, and Barkley/Onana/Watkins fit by Sat pm so onwards we go. Just one of those days - shit happens.
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If Konsa can’t or is no good at shooting why was he always ending up with the ball in a position that would allow him to do so? Surely in such instances it would have made sense to swap with someone who could, no?Pointless crossing the ball in because they have 6 foot 6 defenders so let’s just pass it around to each other, that should break them down I couldn’t for the life of me.
We were utterly clueless. This emphasised by the fact we kept doing the same thing over and over and expected a different outcome.
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If Konsa can’t or is no good at shooting why was he always ending up with the ball in a position that would allow him to do so? Surely in such instances it would have made sense to swap with someone who could, no?Pointless crossing the ball in because they have 6 foot 6 defenders so let’s just pass it around to each other, that should break them down I couldn’t for the life of me.
We were utterly clueless. This emphasised by the fact we kept doing the same thing over and over and expected a different outcome.
We were saying for the same for the last 20 minutes. Dougie should have taking up that position, camped 25 yards from their goal, that Konsa was wasting.
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If Konsa can’t or is no good at shooting why was he always ending up with the ball in a position that would allow him to do so? Surely in such instances it would have made sense to swap with someone who could, no?Pointless crossing the ball in because they have 6 foot 6 defenders so let’s just pass it around to each other, that should break them down I couldn’t for the life of me.
We were utterly clueless. This emphasised by the fact we kept doing the same thing over and over and expected a different outcome.
We were saying for the same for the last 20 minutes. Dougie should have taking up that position, camped 25 yards from their goal, that Konsa was wasting.
The amount of times we saw Konsa and Pau passing the ball to one another on the edge of their area was ridiculous. I doubt there's any stats to back that up but it must be some kind of record. Brentford did exactly what you'd expect them to in the circumstances. Pack the box and block block block. It made for a god awful spectacle and there can't of been many neutrals still watching at the end. Teams are packing men behind the ball when they come to Villa Park and are denying us any space whatsoever. Everton did the same. We're in for some turgid football at Villa Park against the lesser clubs. A different approach is needed now to break down the anti football brigade who aren't interested in making the game entertaining.
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So gutted this morning
Im glad we have no midweek game. Gove us a opportunity to regroup and out this right next weekend. We simply cannot afford another loss
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Listening to Unai post-match, it is like he hates the transfer window. That seemed to be responsible for our early season shiteness, and now w are having a blip during this one too. He seemed to be saying he is looking forward to it being over and then we can crack on again.
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So gutted this morning
Im glad we have no midweek game. Gove us a opportunity to regroup and out this right next weekend. We simply cannot afford another loss
We can, but it’d be better if we didn’t.
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So gutted this morning
Im glad we have no midweek game. Gove us a opportunity to regroup and out this right next weekend. We simply cannot afford another loss
We can, but it’d be better if we didn’t.
I think it would put massive pressure on us of we lose and manure won. That takes it to one point with united when you consider GD. That would be very worrying for morale for me as we seem to crumble under pressure
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So I was with your criticism yesterday, but I think you’re spinning out on this a bit now. We could definitely do with a win at the weekend - but as has been demonstrated those around us are well capable of ropey runs of form.
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So I was with your criticism yesterday, but I think you’re spinning out on this a bit now. We could definitely do with a win at the weekend - but as has been demonstrated those around us are well capable of ropey runs of form.
Im just highlighting the point that two losses in a row will be very bad for us considering. It would be 3 defeats in 4 against some average sides. We need to take advantage while we can before we play manure and chelsea. Those will be tough games which we are likely to drop points. We need a nice cushion until those games 🙂
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We seemed to lack a little imagination to break them down, we really needed to be a bit braver and get the full backs forward much quicker to create wide overloads and chances to deliver the ball into the box with their mutants facing their own goal. A carbon copy of the Everton game, we have all the ball, all the chances but don’t really give the keeper and awful lot to do, and the one shot we did really connect with, he spills into Tammys path.
On the disallowed goal, I was moaning to an acquaintance after about the time taken to look at it, he said it happened right in front of him and he was also surprised at the amount of time to review it as it was ‘fucking miles out’, I can’t bear to watch it for myself
On tactics, when we were endlessly circulating the ball from side to side outside their area, surely we should have tried pushing Pau or Konsa into the centre forward position for height and allowing the impressive Duggie the space there for a pass or shot? As it was they were quite happy to allow us the ball there time over.
Still, we all thought the injury situation would cost us points and it has, but we maybe rightly expected more from this game
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That VAR took so long that, even with the crappy phone signal in the LTR, we saw video (of the ball being way out of play) a couple of minutes before the announcement.
If the decision was purely (and unfortunately, correctly) made on factual grounds, VAR should have taken less than a minute.
Were the Refs chatting about whether they were even allowed to look at it ?
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If Konsa can’t or is no good at shooting why was he always ending up with the ball in a position that would allow him to do so? Surely in such instances it would have made sense to swap with someone who could, no?Pointless crossing the ball in because they have 6 foot 6 defenders so let’s just pass it around to each other, that should break them down I couldn’t for the life of me.
We were utterly clueless. This emphasised by the fact we kept doing the same thing over and over and expected a different outcome.
We were saying for the same for the last 20 minutes. Dougie should have taking up that position, camped 25 yards from their goal, that Konsa was wasting.
Same chat between a few of us behind the dugouts.
It was clear that Konsa and, to a lesser extent Pau, needed to be moved out of the way to let Doug, Morgs and Emi2 dictate play.
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We seemed to lack a little imagination to break them down, we really needed to be a bit braver and get the full backs forward much quicker to create wide overloads and chances to deliver the ball into the box with their mutants facing their own goal. A carbon copy of the Everton game, we have all the ball, all the chances but don’t really give the keeper and awful lot to do, and the one shot we did really connect with, he spills into Tammys path.
On the disallowed goal, I was moaning to an acquaintance after about the time taken to look at it, he said it happened right in front of him and he was also surprised at the amount of time to review it as it was ‘fucking miles out’, I can’t bear to watch it for myself
On tactics, when we were endlessly circulating the ball from side to side outside their area, surely we should have tried pushing Pau or Konsa into the centre forward position for height and allowing the impressive Duggie the space there for a pass or shot? As it was they were quite happy to allow us the ball there time over.
Still, we all thought the injury situation would cost us points and it has, but we maybe rightly expected more from this game
From the lower holte my son didn't even celebrate the goal, he said the ball was well out. Hey ho.
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Don't feel as shitty as I did after the Everton game where the shadow of two very difficult away fixtures loomed large, but still pissed off.
Actually thought we where ok for stretches. Dougie was great, Tammy looked relatively sharp, Cash as excellent as ever, but yet another game where we should be stamping our statement of intent for all to see and we just sort of wither on the vine a little.
In all honesty, I don't see how else we could have played that out in the second half. If a team sits back that deep and is that defensively on point, you're relying on a lucky deflection and/or second ball to fall your way, it just didn't happen and the game was lost as soon as we conceded.
Not going to be to dour about it. Wasn't our best performance of the season but was far from our worst. There was enough in the game for me to feel that we've still got more to give. Bournemouth will be tough, but the game will be more open which will suit our style far better.
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Yeah but the disallowed goal and the result are depressing. I mean, win that and we'd be on such a high.
We never seem to get any luck. To think we'd be on a title charge and three important players would get injured and we'd be on the wrong side of dreadful officiating. It beggars belief.
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There are some hysterical posts on here. We lost a game. Brentford defended very well. If I didn’t know the context, I’d assume we just slipped into the relegation zone.
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Yeah but the disallowed goal and the result are depressing. I mean, win that and we'd be on such a high.
We never seem to get any luck. To think we'd be on a title charge and three important players would get injured and we'd be on the wrong side of dreadful officiating. It beggars belief.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not one for the whole 'woe is us' mindset. We still have plenty of quality, more then enough to suggest we can still kick around with relative ease in the top 4. Injuries happen, get the next man up and let's keep fighting.
Yesterday was a shit litmus test for determining where we are. We played a quality side who played the exact type of football that counters our own. If we lose badly to Bournemouth where the game will be more open and suited to us, I'll start to worry.
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There are some hysterical posts on here.
I don't find them all that funny.
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Getting a man sent off was a fantastic game-plan by Keith.
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There are some hysterical posts on here. We lost a game. Brentford defended very well. If I didn’t know the context, I’d assume we just slipped into the relegation zone.
I read somewhere that it's the first time in two years that we've lost two league games on the trot at home. That's some going and should be remembered.
As an aside, fair play to those that applauded the players after rhe game.
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There are some hysterical posts on here. We lost a game. Brentford defended very well. If I didn’t know the context, I’d assume we just slipped into the relegation zone.
I read somewhere that it's the first time in two years that we've lost two league games on the trot at home. That's some going and should be remembered.
As an aside, fair play to those that applauded the players after rhe game.
Im glad they did, there was no lack of effort yesterday.
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I agree, if you replayed that game 10 times I reckon we win the other 9. Unfortunately what we were hoping to do in the 2nd half was to draw them out and then get the goal which would've completely changed the game but when it worked VAR came to their rescue and from there forward they just retreated to the edge of their box and held on.
I think that if the goal had stood we'd have gone on to win comfortably.
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I agree, if you replayed that game 10 times I reckon we win the other 9. Unfortunately what we were hoping to do in the 2nd half was to draw them out and then get the goal which would've completely changed the game but when it worked VAR came to their rescue and from there forward they just retreated to the edge of their box and held on.
I think that if the goal had stood we'd have gone on to win comfortably.
Fully agree, we'd have won about 4-1. Would've probably popped the free kick we were denied against Everton in as well, and been 1 up against 10 men, such fine margins and bent officiating.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Agreed. If anything, I thought he gave us stuff that we didn’t deserve. Lots of 50:50s our way. And he can’t be blamed for the VAR
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Agreed. If anything, I thought he gave us stuff that we didn’t deserve. Lots of 50:50s our way. And he can’t be blamed for the VAR
Could he have stuck with his on field decision?
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Other than not having the balls to tell VAR that the decision made by him and his mate on the pitch requires no interference, especially a million seconds later.
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I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Agreed. If anything, I thought he gave us stuff that we didn’t deserve. Lots of 50:50s our way. And he can’t be blamed for the VAR
Could he have stuck with his on field decision?
With VAR chirping in his ear that the ball was out? Which it was. VAR shouldn't have got involved - that was the issue.
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I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.
The angle they showed on MOTD looked pretty conclusive as well. Makes you wonder why it took them 5 minutes to decide.
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There are some hysterical posts on here. We lost a game. Brentford defended very well. If I didn’t know the context, I’d assume we just slipped into the relegation zone.
Even if we we were in the relegation zone we would be disappointed losing to Brentford with a man extra for the entire second half. Brentford were very disciplined to be fair to them. We just couldn't play through them. Made their subs nice and early and defended their box really well. Kelleher would have been disappointed with that disallowed goal. The Bailey chance was more to do with the sub having just come on, really poor effort that one.
If it stayed 11 v 11 I didn't fancy Konsa/Torres chances against Thiago. Not sure about Torres form of late.
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Yeah, I'm kinda over it. Would have been spitting feathers had it happened to us and been given. Brentford learned their lesson from this let-off and just camped inside their defensive third for the following 50 minutes. Horrible game. Let's take the lead against them next time for once. Avoids all the aggro.
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Just watched the AVFC extended highlights of the game and my conclusion is that it was one of those games that could have been very different if we had had the run of the ball. Apart from Tammy's first half shot, Konsa's bad miss and the controversy over the goal, there were plenty of occasions when we would have scored on another day. Bailey's miss was the most glaring but there were occasions when players slipped at the crucial moment, an outstretched leg tipped a shot over the bar, a yard either side of the keeper would have gone in, a defence-splitting pass was inches too long, etc etc. Sometimes these things go for you; other times they don't, so I'm not too disheartened, other than the fact that's two full days watching my team lose two home matches one nil at Fortress Villa Park!
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick.Would the goal have been disallowed?
I think we all know the answer.
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.
Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.
Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.
VAR has over ruled a mistake by the referee concerning if the ball was out or in.
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I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.
It is, my issue is that should VAR be getting involved when the ball is about the furthest point from the goal it can possibly be?
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Agreed. If anything, I thought he gave us stuff that we didn’t deserve. Lots of 50:50s our way. And he can’t be blamed for the VAR
Could he have stuck with his on field decision?
No. "Factual" decisions taken by VAR are accepted by the referee, it is subjective ones like fouls, pens, red cards, interfering offsides etc, where he has to review on screen.
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I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.
It is, my issue is that should VAR be getting involved when the ball is about the furthest point from the goal it can possibly be?
My initial thought on the freeze frame was "can't tell" for sure. When I saw video of it I thought it was out but again, if VAR took 30 seconds to state they couldn't override a similar ball out of play when they didn't have an angle to see it as clear and obvious, then then they took supposedly three minutes here AND still couldn't show an angle like the picture/video above, I don't see how they could state factual. If they had an angle like above, they would have used it for sure.
(And also the question of how far back to go to over-ride a goal).
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Other than not having the balls to tell VAR that the decision made by him and his mate on the pitch requires no interference, especially a million seconds later.
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so you think he should have stood by his original "wrong" decision?
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I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.
Not necessarily. In the Japan v Germany game the ball looked 4 inches over the line from a similar camera angle however the overhead shot showed it to be very marginally in. These angles can be very deceptive.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.
Other than not having the balls to tell VAR that the decision made by him and his mate on the pitch requires no interference, especially a million seconds later.
so you think he should have stood by his original "wrong" decision?
It wasn't wrong, it was a marginal decision. There are similar 3 or 4 "wrong" decisions in every game.
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.
Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.
VAR has over ruled a mistake by the referee concerning if the ball was out or in.
But it still isn't the same thing because the ball is out of play either way in your scenario so any attacking phases are reset to that point. At the moment* a team can score from a corner wrongly given and VAR doesn't overrule the goal because of it. This ball was ruled in-play so play continued and then they checked it. Various other goals have been over-ruled for the same issue, just none where the ball initially went out of play a foot from the teams own corner flag.
*There are talks that awarded corners will be checked for future matches although no one has asked whether awarded goal-kicks will be checked.
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When the incident occured, the ball was closer to the old away coach park than their goal.
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If anyone remotely believes yesterdays debacle was the purpose of VAR they are on a different planet.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.
Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.
I think the difference in CL's example is that the ball would have gone dead and play would have stopped.
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If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.
Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.
I think the difference in CL's example is that the ball would have gone dead and play would have stopped.
Well, exactly. If the ball had gone out of play, we'd restarted the game and then scored then the goal would have been given.
So in his "incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick", suggestion then yes, the goal would obviously be given.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
Even at his best that's not Barkley's game. Stuck for a goal and surely he could have come on next to Tammy.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
Even at his best that's not Barkley's game. Stuck for a goal and surely he could have come on next to Tammy.
Making up the numbers i reckon, as there was no one else
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If anyone remotely believes yesterdays debacle was the purpose of VAR they are on a different planet.
Precisely, this is what VAR is for. https://x.com/PremSportsTV/status/2018058510718668808
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
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After 3 defeats I do not want to be that small minded person that want those little fucking upstarts relegated
Probably what the so called elite say about us !
So fair play to the twats and their stupid MON haired manager
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What Slot and Guardiola would give to have a luxuriant head of hair like Keith Andrews.
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What Slot and Guardiola would give to have a luxuriant head of hair like Keith Andrews.
yes i am very very bitter at the moment
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We finally see the back of Glasner this summer, only for Andrews to emerge and Brentford, the new Palace ffs.
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What Slot and Guardiola would give to have a luxuriant head of hair like Keith Andrews.
Shane MacGowan said he preserved his locks by washing his hair in a basin of Guinness every fortnight.
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Well that's not true regarding their home form, they've only lost twice and scored 23 goals, only Arsenal and Man City have scored more.
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I dont feel as bad now seeing the proper angles that the ball was way out. Correct decision- but justa complete shambles by the refs and the var process. Thats where the frustration lies.
Would have been far worse if this disallowed incorrectly as ball didnt cross line
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Well that's not true regarding their home form, they've only lost twice and scored 23 goals, only Arsenal and Man City have scored more.
I’m not questioning their results, more their Stoke City 2.0 style of play.
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Well that's not true regarding their home form, they've only lost twice and scored 23 goals, only Arsenal and Man City have scored more.
I’m not questioning their results, more their Stoke City 2.0 style of play.
If it works, it works. I didn't think Andrews would last long past Halloween!
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Horses for courses, they’re a team punching above their weight and it’s probably the longest they’ve been in the top division. They’re making memories and I shouldn’t think they’re too bothered how they get results.
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Well that's not true regarding their home form, they've only lost twice and scored 23 goals, only Arsenal and Man City have scored more.
I’m not questioning their results, more their Stoke City 2.0 style of play.
I'm not sure Stoke's style would have led to them scoring as many goals, though. Not sure, though, maybe Pulis had more goalfests than I remember.
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Let’s all just stop for a minute and be thankful we’re not Brentford supporters. Imagine having to watch that brand of ‘football’ every week.
Though on the plus side, purchasing away tickets would be a doddle.
Well that's not true regarding their home form, they've only lost twice and scored 23 goals, only Arsenal and Man City have scored more.
I’m not questioning their results, more their Stoke City 2.0 style of play.
If it works, it works. I didn't think Andrews would last long past Halloween!
First half they reminded me of Wimbledon a bit from the Fashanu era and they went long and turned our defence back towards our goal with loads of up in the air and as far as you can kick it stuff.
It worked out well for them.
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Even under Emery we have played with all players behind the ball to defend and hope we can keep a team out and even get a goal on a break.
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They are Stoke redux. Long balls between the centre half and full back. Defend their box and constrict space. Play percentages for long throws, kick lumps out of you. Two fucking ricochets and the ****** beat us twice. Absolutely woeful football, but a continuation of the shite Frank used to play.
They will inevitably be relegated though, they always do.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
Even at his best that's not Barkley's game. Stuck for a goal and surely he could have come on next to Tammy.
Making up the numbers i reckon, as there was no one else
To be used only in the event of injuries to others.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
Even at his best that's not Barkley's game. Stuck for a goal and surely he could have come on next to Tammy.
Making up the numbers i reckon, as there was no one else
To be used only in the event of injuries to others.
I don't get that logic to be honest. Against a camped in 10 man Brentford, surely it's about as less strenuous as it gets. If nothing else they are both good in the air.
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Why were Onana and Barkley on the bench yesterday?
My theory is that UE would have brought them on to shore up a lead.
Even at his best that's not Barkley's game. Stuck for a goal and surely he could have come on next to Tammy.
Making up the numbers i reckon, as there was no one else
To be used only in the event of injuries to others.
I don't get that logic to be honest. Against a camped in 10 man Brentford, surely it's about as less strenuous as it gets. If nothing else they are both good in the air.
Im guessing they were both deemed not really fit enough, but it was either them on the bench, or….??
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The major point of difference between SUE and what we were forced to endure on Sunday is that, when Villa defend in depth (eg at Brighton in one of Emery's first games), we had a backline of six with four in front, but two of those four were on alert to lead a counter-attack when the opportunity arose.
I'm pretty sure Unai would have been tearing his locks out, had we just hoofed the ball into the other half to protect a lead.