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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on November 27, 2025, 04:40:34 PM
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Has Bogarde played centre-half for us before? Anyway, I mostly like it. Decent first team and plenty of options on the bench if required.
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HARVEY ELLIOT IS REAL
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We only know the surname. I'm assuming it's a 15 year old backup goalie from the youth team called Barry Elliott.
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Has Bogarde played centre-half for us before? Anyway, I mostly like it. Decent first team and plenty of options on the bench if required.
Think he filled in a couple of times last season in that period when we needed to use Kamara there too.
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Quite possibly, you might be right. They were asking for centre-half volunteers at one stage.
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I'd rather have started with Kamara but Unai Knows.
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He's certainly rung the changes. We may find we're calling the cavalry on sooner than we might expect.
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We only know the surname. I'm assuming it's a 15 year old backup goalie from the youth team called Barry Elliott.
Or wannabe balet dancer, Billy Elliott.
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Sancho. Have Villa installed the ABBAesq holographic thingummy? I’ll faint if he beats his man and crosses with his left foot.
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Of all the games to drop Watkins to the bench, give the fella a break Unai. Maybe he's saving him for Wolves but tonight should be a great chance for him to score a goal.
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Has Bogarde played centre-half for us before? Anyway, I mostly like it. Decent first team and plenty of options on the bench if required.
Think he filled in a couple of times last season in that period when we needed to use Kamara there too.
Yeah, he definitely filled in at CB.
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Of all the games to drop Watkins to the bench, give the fella a break Unai. Maybe he's saving him for Wolves but tonight should be a great chance for him to score a goal.
I'd have started Ollie with Malen on the right, at some point tonight it might happen.
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It’s actually Paul Elliott. Who is still fancied at this level.
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Unfortunately I can only see a backfire like most other times we make mass changes like this.
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Unai is obviously doing the absolute minimum required to get through these games.
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The big question is will Elliott actually get any game time?
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Without wanting to sound like a misery guts, I get really nervous when I see wholesale resting of players for so called easy games. This has bit us in the arse so many times before over the years.
Whilst I agree that on paper that team should still be strong enough it is still making me nervous. I firmly hope that the team proves me thoroughly misguided in my nervousness though.
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That's a lot of changes. Hope we don't come unstuck like Man City did.
Interesting to see Elliott and Garcia in the squad though.
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Happy enough with that line up - need to be careful down right hand side mind. Right sure about Lindelof
Digne and McGinn had heavy international schedule and Emi B too not in the habit of those extra air miles.
Malen deserves a start.
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Now that we finally have a decent back up keeper, I just don't understand why you wouldn't give him a start in a game like this.
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We're getting scorchios tonight lads.
We're going to score so many scorchios, we may even get tired of scorchioing.
6-0 Villa.
FTF 8)
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Bizot has a five game clause in his contract meaning we would have to pay another £10m until the clause expires on 31st February.
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Guessand has a chance to show what he's about tonight. If he struggles against this lot god help him.
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Bizot has a five game clause in his contract meaning we would have to pay another £10m until the clause expires on 31st February.
Ha! You had me for a minute.
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We only know the surname. I'm assuming it's a 15 year old backup goalie from the youth team called Barry Elliott.
Or wannabe ballet dancer, Billy Elliott.
It is indeed Billy. Like Bertie, not the greatest physical presence, but renowned for his fancy footwork.
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Guessand oh gawd
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Of all the games to drop Watkins to the bench, give the fella a break Unai. Maybe he's saving him for Wolves but tonight should be a great chance for him to score a goal.
I would have thought Watkins playing and scoring tonight would be ideal but…..
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Has Bogarde played centre-half for us before? Anyway, I mostly like it. Decent first team and plenty of options on the bench if required.
Think he filled in a couple of times last season in that period when we needed to use Kamara there too.
Yeah, he definitely filled in at CB.
Looked like he was lining up at RB in the crossing warm-up exercise they do.
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I appreciate there’s still ten minutes until kick off but it looks like there’s about 15,000 fans here.
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Tieleman's first time as captain?
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At least we have a strong bench to help get us out of the shit if this starting lineup goes tits up.
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C'mon you Villa boys, lets put this lot to bed early!!
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At least we have a strong bench to help get us out of the shit if this starting lineup goes tits up.
Don't worry, Harvey will score a late brace to give us the win.
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At least we have a strong bench to help get us out of the shit if this starting lineup goes tits up.
So did ManC.
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Any rivulets going?
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Has Bogarde played centre-half for us before? Anyway, I mostly like it. Decent first team and plenty of options on the bench if required.
Think he filled in a couple of times last season in that period when we needed to use Kamara there too.
Yeah, he definitely filled in at CB.
Looked like he was lining up at RB in the crossing warm-up exercise they do.
Yup, Lindelof is definitly in the middle. Thankfully.
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Why the fuck did Villa let them bring a drum in?
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Should be ahead.
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Good effort from The Don
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Good effort from The Don
Yep already look so much more dangerous with The Don playing.
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Guessand has to be getting that shot away
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hit the fucker
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Great run though, and hell of a pass.
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Omg how close again! We could feast here tonight
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Excellent start so far. Lovely ball by Morgs
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Good effort from The Don
Yep already look so much more dangerous with The Don playing.
;D
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Need a goal here, we've been excellent so far.
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Good effort from The Don
Yep already look so much more dangerous with The Don playing.
;D
Unlike Smirker to get a backhand dig in at Ollie. Makes a refreshing change
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its backs to the wall for young boys
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Men against boys, so far.
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We had plenty of chances against GAE as well.....
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Very similar posts to the first half vs Eagles.
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Very similar posts to the first half vs Eagles.
Someone has to spoil things.🤣
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"Young's boys were a champions league team last season but this they are, like villa, in the Europa league "
Professional commentary of the highest order there.
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Swiss fans chucking money on the pitch, should help with FFP..
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"Young's boys were a champions league team last season but this they are, like villa, in the Europa league "
Professional commentary of the highest order there.
Followed up with “ a one footed shot “ what a pair of twats
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It would be nice to take a couple of these chances at some point. Just sayin’ like.
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Guessand is scared to shoot.
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Um, is it just me or is Guessand actually rubbish?
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Um, is it just me or is Guessand actually rubbish?
You're both rubbish.
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Guessand is scared to shoot.
And he’s crap.
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Um, is it just me or is Guessand actually rubbish?
Looks very hesitant.
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Ollie would have a hatful by now...
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Guessand is really poor
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Guessand is really poor
and you're being kind there, an absolute dud.
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Like most just no idea what Guessand is meant to be. Always feels like we are shoehorning him into a position. But whatever we try he’s never ever played there.
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Making heavy weather of this.
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1-0 Malen
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Just looking at that, and 'rubbish' is a weird word isn't it? 'Rubb-ish.' Doesn't look like it should even be a word.
Anyway. No, I haven't been drinking.
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Visiting fans act like bellends.
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I thought the Swiss were peaceful and didn't get involved with shit?
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Woop woop! Nice header arkid!
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Good goal. Dickhead fans.
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Brilliant header from The Don 8)
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Well taken
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we love the don
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Malen with a cut on his head from the objects thrown....twats
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Yesssss, feed the Don and he will score.
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Just looking at that, and 'rubbish' is a weird word isn't it? 'Rubb-ish.' Doesn't look like it should even be a word.
Anyway. No, I haven't been drinking.
I once had a conversation with a colleague about this very thing. It's such a ubiquitous way to dismiss something but it is, in itself, rubbish. Anyway, we lost the patient.
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Well done the Don
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Excellent cross, good header, wanker fans.
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Glad Don is starting
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Just beyond belief that fan behaviour.
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Tielemans really showing how much we've missed him.
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Have a bloody shot Maatsen!
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Just beyond belief that fan behaviour.
Literally a “wanker nest”
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What happened?
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OB went into the YB fans so some may have been nicked.
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What happened?
Throwing stuff and one hit Malen and cut his head.
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Imagine Malen's head was a coconut at a coconut shy and you'll get the idea. They didn't win a prize, though.
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What happened?
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1994109964290306499
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What happened?
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1994109964290306499
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Imagine Malen's head was a coconut at a coconut shy and you'll get the idea. They didn't win a prize, though.
No. It has to fall off for a prize.
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Tosspots.
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Are they being more unruly than the Poles with their mayo baguette flinging from Witton Lane? Maybe it's time we didn't assume the Swiss were neutral and pacific by nature.
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Are they being more unruly than the Poles with their mayo baguette flinging from Witton Lane? Maybe it's time we didn't assume the Swiss were neutral and pacific by nature.
Nazi gold hoarding pacifists
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come on villa goals ,, we can go top with 2 more goals
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I swear Maatsen was just shrugged off 17 times in that single run.
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Imagine Malen's head was a coconut at a coconut shy and you'll get the idea. They didn't win a prize, though.
No. It has to fall off for a prize.
Good job Duran isn't still here, I reckon he'd have lost his head.
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Omg how close again! We could feast here tonight
Most creative use of a verb on this forum since Saranyu's iconic funeralling was first coined circa 2010.
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They’re very expensive baguettes and cookoo clocks. No idea how they got passed security.
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2-0 Malen
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Super move.
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Malen celebrated in front of them again but this time they couldn’t reach him. Most objects thrown at Villa Park for some time!
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Just beyond belief that fan behaviour.
Looks like the wrong set of fans was banned.
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Malen simply has to start league games for us now. That was a superb goal
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And breath - great stuff
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Lovely goal.
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Without wanting to sound like a misery guts, I get really nervous when I see wholesale resting of players for so called easy games. This has bit us in the arse so many times before over the years.
One for the stats lads (Dave - Bath, Soccer - HQ, PWS - ....) but I wonder if our record of second-string swatting is actually a lot better than we think.
We just always remember the tame defeats with the likes of Gareth Farrelly, Karim El-Ahmadi and Emiliano Buendia stinking the place out.
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Cor what a goal.
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He's fucking inevitable.
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Police and YB fans at it again.
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Police going in now
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They're going to build a trebuchet at half-time to reach our celebrations in the second half.
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All kicking off with their fans now
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Yessss, feed the Don and he will score. 8)
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My flipping phone told me it was 2-0 before the TV did
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YB fans acting utter wankers.
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Very good goal, wanker fans again. You'd think the twats were used to losing in Europe.
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Why didn’t we ban this lot?
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For a team that is so poor you’d think the fans were used to being dicked. Weird.
Apparently it’s Malens fault….according to YB management.
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Seats being ripped out and thrown onto the pitch
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This is weird. Who knew the Swiss could be so nawty?
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Seats being ripped out. Tossers
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Very good goal, wanker fans again. You'd think the twats were used to losing in Europe.
I was thinking that, are they usually like this?
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Is it a full moon? What the fuck is wrong with people?
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Family Robinson not very peaceful
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This is a fucking disgrace.
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Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
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Imagine if English fans carried on like that!
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Adults need to control themselves.
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Maybe they're on a Swiss chocolate sugar rush.
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Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
It was a brilliant idea and much deserved.
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Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
After him being cut on the head? So it's his fault?
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Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
If fans can’t accept losing a football match then I suspect that it is not the sport for them.
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Relying on text updates here and BBC. Was there danger of the game being abandoned?
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Maybe they're on a Swiss chocolate sugar rush.
Hormones all over the shop with young boys.
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Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
It was a brilliant idea and much deserved.
[/Not sure that smile from Malen to them after he scored his 2nd was the best idea. They seem a bit… rabid.
It was a brilliant idea and much deserved.
To be fair, I loved it. Fantastic shithousing.
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No doubt it will raised at PM question time tomorrow!
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You get the feeling we could go to town tonight if we wanted to. In the match I mean, not to drink obviously.
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It's that drums fault
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Hehe, maybe the Young Boys fans decided to sell all their tickets to MTA fans :)
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Comedy gold from Savage.."young boys quite content with not getting hammered.."
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It's starting again. They should be banned. Simple.
You can shove your toblerones up yer arse.
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2-0
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1994113546272038993
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Fucking losers
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Malen is on fucking fire.
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I really want us to do a proper job on these cretins now.
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Malen is on fucking fire.
At this rate, our away section will be too.
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I take it we invoice YBB for the damage?
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what a bunch of pricks
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I take it we invoice YBB for the damage?
Being Swiss, they'll be able to afford it.
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Didn’t expect that. Who’d have thought they’d have so many wankers in their fan base?
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Relying on text updates here and BBC. Was there danger of the game being abandoned?
Haha. Absolutely not, there's only 1000 of them. Probably only 10% behaving like idiots. Apparently they've got kids in there at the front that had to be moved out of the trouble.
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Relying on text updates here and BBC. Was there danger of the game being abandoned?
No chance.
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You can shove your toblerones up yer arse.
Oooooh, Nuuurse!!
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Can they smash up the concourse in the Doug Ellis, will save us the job.
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Malen is on fucking fire.
At this rate, our away section will be too.
😂
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I take it we invoice YBB for the damage?
Being Swiss, they'll be able to afford it.
It’s a cunning plan to help with FFP.
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They’ll be even more fuming when they see the toilets
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Relying on text updates here and BBC. Was there danger of the game being abandoned?
Nah, they just needed 5 minutes in time out. WMs finest fished out a couple of twats and it seemed to calm down. What a bunch of fucking pricks though.
Must admit I didn’t have Young Boys Ultras kicking off on this seasons bingo card.
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As it stands we need to win by 4 to go to of the league.
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2-0 - 10 shots to 0 - 64% possession
About as 1 sided a half as we'll see all season.
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Malen can finish
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At least Hitz is summarizing on TNT
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2-0 - 10 shots to 0 - 64% possession
About as 1 sided a half as we'll see all season.
We had more passes than Troy Deeney on Mastermind....
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Playing well, with better finishing we could be 4+ up already.
Their 'fans' are a disgrace.
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watching it back, that first touch from rogers in the build up for the 2nd is special.
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At least Hitz is summarizing on TNT
He's great isn't he. Der Hammer!
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At least Hitz is summarizing on TNT
He's great isn't he. Der Hammer!
👍
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Didn’t expect that. Who’d have thought they’d have so many wankers in their fan base?
Same thing happened when Duran celebrated in front of them last season!
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At least Hitz is summarizing on TNT
We’ve got Gobby Cabbage commentating on the channel I’m watching. Oh joy.
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I thought the Swiss were peaceful and didn't get involved with shit?
No, they have quite a rep.
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At least Hitz is summarizing on TNT
He's great isn't he. Der Hammer!
👍
"He's gay?! Ah no...what a shame, he'd make a lovely husband for a wife" my mama said about five years ago when he was on telly and we broke the news to her.
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Dirty git Cyndi.
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That was a foul by Onana but it's the sort of thing that gets ignored by refs far too often.
And that by their CB is cynical as fuck.
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Lauper booked, showing his true colours.
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I thought the Swiss were peaceful and didn't get involved with shit?
No, they have quite a rep.
Do any of them crop-up as cold-blooded cvnts in your mafia podcasts?
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Lauper booked, showing his true colours.
Cumulative fouls. Time after time.
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Young Boys get outta my mind, you scoring goals is way outta line, better run Boys, you’re far too Young Boys!!
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Lauper booked, showing his true colours.
Cumulative fouls. Time after time.
I couldn’t think of one quick enough ☹️
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They're going to build a trebuchet at half-time to reach our celebrations in the second half.
Fetchez le Vache
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Lauper booked, showing his true colours.
Well he kept on doing it time after time, so not really surprising.
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Decent effort from Sancho. A goal each for him and Guessand and a nice clap from the crowd as they go off is probably the ideal way to finish this off.
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Young Boys get outta my mind, you scoring goals is way outta line, better run Boys, you’re far too Young Boys!!
Excellent!!
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I love the extendable leg thing Onana does to take the ball away from players who are clear favourites to win it.
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Rossy and Bendy coming on.
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I’ve yet to see Guessand cross a ball to his intended target, assuming he is trying to find a teammate, not just in this game but since he joined.
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I’ve yet to see Guessand cross a ball to his intended target, assuming he is trying to find a teammate, not just in this game but since he joined.
He does seem to have a habit of dinking it around two feet over the head of whoever is in the middle.
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Should be three.
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I quite like watching Villa strolling a game without really having to break sweat…
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4 subs coming on and Elliott stays on his bum.
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Rogers off for Barkley
Ollie on for Youri
Konsa on for Toress
Buendia on for Rogers
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Konsa for Torres. Interesting.
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Tielemans & Malen were great tonight.
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Shocking that we're taking Rogers off twice PWS.
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Tielemans & Malen were great tonight.
Rogers and Onana as well.
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That's really poor of Onana, getting a yellow in a game like this.
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Young Boys get outta my mind, you scoring goals is way outta line, better run Boys, you’re far too Young Boys!!
Excellent!!
Thank you Eamon, I knew someone would catch on!
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That's really poor of Onana, getting a yellow in a game like this.
Literally as I was posting that he's had a good game.
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Rogers off for Barkley
Ollie on for Youri
Konsa on for Toress
Buendia on for Rogers
We should be able to win with 12 men.
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Bugger
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Who did Buendia come on for? Missed it.
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Who did Buendia come on for? Missed it.
Malen
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Bugger
I thought they had scored then.
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Bugger
I thought they had scored then.
Nope, my subs fuck up.
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I realised after.
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As it stands we're 2nd. two more goals and we go top.
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We look flat since Malen went off.
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final ball been poor lately
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Nothing about Tielemans, Rogers and Torres going off I'm sure.
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I take it Sancho hasn't done a lot.
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We look flat since Malen went off.
Never change.
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over playing again
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Sancho is very frustrating. Could have easily pulled the trigger there.
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The Cabbage reckons we should have had more than two shots on target tonight. We have - we've had four
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We look flat since Malen went off.
Never change.
lol
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He might have meant more then two goals.
Edit: No he is just an idiot at commentating.
End product has been poor'
Robbie Savage
Forest Green Rovers manager and former Premier League midfielder on TNT Sports
Again, Villa get the regain in the final third but the end product has been poor. I know they have got the two goals but they should have had more than two shots on target so far tonight.
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Sancho and Guessand,against poor opposition, have confirmed they are just bench fodder
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2-1
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Please just SHOOOOOOT
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2-1
Here we go...
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We are such a fucking laugh.
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He might have meant more then two goals.
" I know they have got the two goals but they should have had more than two shots on target so far tonight."
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Please just SHOOOOOOT
2-1
2-1
Where did this come from???
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VAR check ongoing
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First shot on target syndrome again.
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WTF?? Don't fuck up again Villa please.
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There you go, missed chances and they’re back in it having done bugger all.
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serves them right ... slack this half
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Ughhhhhhh
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Should have been out of sight by now.
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2-0 VAR confirm no goal
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Not good.
Edit: good 8)
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Right call, looked off in real time.
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YES VAR! LAVE VAR!
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People watching at home - how much off by?
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2-0 VAR confirm no goal
I thought he was onside… close call though.
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Phew. Although it means they still have the first shot on target option again.
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2-0 VAR confirm no goal
Why was it disallowed
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Sadness for the seat rippers. Fuck off YB
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Offside
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People watching at home - how much off by?
A couple of inches I reckon.
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Offside
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Spawny bastards.
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Thank McGrath for that.
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2-0 VAR confirm no goal
Thank God for that. BBC on 74' showing the goal on 70 mins. Must have been a long VAR check.
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Looked on to me, thought Konsa in the middle was playing him on.
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Wake the f up will you
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Guessand is really really poor. He offers nothing
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Guessand is really nice really poor. He offers nothing
He gets worse.
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Sadness for the seat rippers. Fuck off YB
They'll be heading down to Stockley Park after the game.
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Guessand is really really poor. He offers nothing
Keeps running into the opposition player
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Guessand looking poor against GAE and YB is a bit of a concern. I know he scored but his actual performance over there wasn't good.
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Bouba coming on.
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It’s about time that Ollie scored again.
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Sadness for the seat rippers. Fuck off YB
They'll be heading down to Stockley Park after the game.
Yep. ******. The Swiss are rich. Tell them every seat they destroyed cost 10M Swiss Francs. Solves our PSR/SCR issues.
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A win by 3 puts us top as it stands.
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No Elliot again.
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Said it before, Sancho and Guessand make me yearn for the days of El Ghazi and Trezeguet.
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Sancho is very frustrating. Could have easily pulled the trigger there.
I think he's been ok tbh.
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After tonight's performance I'd start Malen against Wolves and put Guessand on Ebay..no reserve
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Bouba coming on.
See he could bring on Elliott here but that poor prick will seemingly never see the pitch again for us.
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At least Sancho causes problems, Guessand just takes up space.
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Played Ezri.
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Did Robbie "Birmingham City" Savage just question Boubacar "fucking" Karmara?
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Great tackle / block by Konsa
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Maatsen is having a nightmare defensively.
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Decent effort Ollie.
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People watching at home - how much off by?
More comfortable than that period when Watkins was being given offside every week for having too long toenails. Less comfortable than I'd have wanted.
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Good hit Ollie, nice work from Sancho.
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2-1
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5 added mins
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That’s been coming.
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VAR again
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What a silly goal to concede late on
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Plenty of time for a second then.
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Offside according to Andy Townsend
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Freeze frame looked possibly offside
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We should have finished this off ages ago.
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Well assuming an elbow counts, he’s off!
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Goal stands
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VAR keeping us in it?
No
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Given
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This has been really sloppy.
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What a finish that was but I think he was offside by his elbow.
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Given
Shay wouldn't have stopped that shot.
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Just ridiculous to concede that.
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We had our warnings but we’ve been too sloppy in this second half
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Oh Ollie. Fuck me
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so slack this half
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Oh well, if you play a high line, that'll happen occasionally.
We should have scored more than two though. We've really taken our foot off the gas in the second half.
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FFS WATKINS!!
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If a defender's elbow can play an attacker onside, why is it that an attacker's fingers that are ahead of the defender don't render him offside?
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Doing our best to fuck this up
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We’ve really had enough chances to put this game to bed
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WTF was that from Ollie?
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No comment.
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If a defender's elbow can play an attacker onside, why is it that an attacker's fingers that are ahead of the defender don't render him offside?
Exactly what I want to know.
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Ollie looked like he was running through quicksand there, worrying.
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And relax.
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Job dome
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Phew. Hard work that last few mins.
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A win is a win.
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Making things more difficult for ourselves - since 1874.
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Win is a win but it should have been a lot more comfortable. Far too much lack of sharpness in the final third.
Having said that, Malen and Rogers were awesome.