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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2025, 03:59:51 PM
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Never in doubt. 4th is nice.
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ta da
On the plus side Leeds have scored 0 goals after an hour since opening day, and conceded 9. including 6 in the last 4.
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
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Shit first half an hour, the much better side from then on.
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Excellent win. Character building rather than spectacular, but second half we showed them who's boss. Malen made a difference when he came on and Rogers was excellent.
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Thanks for the points.
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Great result. We're class.
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FFS Villa, absolutely fucking dreadful. Whenever a team is in bad form they must fucking love playing Aston fucking Villa.
YAAAASSS! We're gonna win the league!
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Malen the catalyst. And special mention to Cashy. I now officially love him.
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Get in. Hard game, made more difficult for ourselves by the start. But real character to win.
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Such a superb victory. We didn’t play well in the first half. Tactically I thoughts we were far too passive. But we started the second half so well, scored quickly and then dominated most of the game after that. Some silly free kicks given away but overall worked hard to get the win. Good character shown today.
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
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Never in doubt. UTV.
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Great result, really pleased with that.
They ran out of puff and Emery knew how to take advantage at half time.
He's built this team around Rogers, and rightly so.
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Malen changed the game.
If we had started the season better we’d be clear top.
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Great win, miles better second half.
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Great win. Very poor first half, Much better second. McGinn, Rogers & Konsa excellent.
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May have looked as though we made hard work of it but as others have said there are no easy games in this league
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Never in doubt.
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Much better second half - great result and all seems well. Cracking free kick. UTV
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Malen needs to start.
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Some result, that!
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
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Great physical performance. Poor technique throughout really (apart from the two goals), but fuck me did we battle!
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Those are the sort of games that can define your season.
Niggly opposition, rubbish ref and we still came out on top despite not being totally on it.
Wouldn't have fancied us being 4th going into Dec after the summer we had and the start of the season we endured. Yet here we are.
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That'll do. Top 4 is nice.
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Great second half after another worryingly poor first one. In the end, the results all that counts. And fuck me, could Sky get away from the game to Arsenal any faster? A new record even for them.
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
It's the sort of ground out win that pundits rave about when it's Cite£ or Arsenal et al.
A draw in the North London bellends Derby will be decent for our championship charge
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Put Wolves to the sword and Chelsea not beating Arsenal, then we could start December in the top three. Who'd have thought that at the start of September?
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Do we all know the words to ‘we’re gonna win the league’ ? 🤣
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Rugby League first half, football in the second. Thankfully we have Malen who changed the game. Credit to Rogers for two beautiful goals.
Onwards and upwards!
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This is ex-Villan, and pundit Stephen Warnock's pithy summary on the Beeb website.
Villa weren't great in the first half and Leeds should have put the game to bed. Villa stayed in it and had the ability to change it tactically and personnel and Daniel Farke will feel like that is a big opportunity missed
The kind of end of game summary that we'd get in days gone by when we'd get done over at home by one of the biggest boys.
Times change.
For the better? 😉😜
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
I'm just so jealous. Why do they always get the nice things.
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1st half was grim, and using my managerial experience I’d have yanked Rogers at half time. Hmm.
But what is a “Sancho”?
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Feels like a classic Emery away win - stogy first half where we try to control and don't look too adventurous, then second half put more pressure on before spending the last quarter holding on to a lead.
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Shout out to the Leeds grounds man who made a pudding of a pitch and we still won
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Excellent win again. Once we scored 1st never looked in doubt. In 40 years of following Villa I remember scoring the odd free kick maybe once or twice a season- I don't ever remember two in successive games. Ref let them be.physical but they clearly burnt themselves out by end of the first half. Love this team.
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Excellent win again. Once we scored 1st never looked in doubt. In 40 years of following Villa I remember scoring the odd free kick maybe once or twice a season- I don't ever remember two in successive games. Ref let them be.physical but they clearly burnt themselves out by end of the first half. Love this team.
Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Yes, we did seem to struggle with the stodgy pitch.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
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Coming from behind to win is always nice, more so at that place. Excellent free kick to win it, but amazed to hear that's the first free kick he's EVER taken in professional football. How many current internationals have a 100% record in taking free-kicks on goal?
Did anyone else think the pitch was shocking? I'm not sure if they left the grass a bit longer, or something else was wrong, but its churned up an awful lot for a top-flight pitch, and I lost count of the number of times passes were played that where they just lost all pace going across the grass. Was this a deliberate ploy on their part, given our preference for playing out from the back, or has it been that bad all season?
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The 'Other Games' thread on SHA was busy until 4.06pm. After that, not so much.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
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If he did it on purpose, the groundsman played a blinder.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
Magic McPhee.
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Leeds were like an annoying wasp that we needed to ignore not panic and play Emery football.They did their best to put us off from doing this but quality prevailed.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
Correct, I've not seen them this season but it seems they still play like bunch of hyperactive kids juiced up on Sunny D.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
Magic McPhee.
Rogers went to celebrate with him apparently.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
I noticed this as well, Some of the balls didn't reach the intended target as the ball slowed down.
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If he did it on purpose, the groundsman played a blinder.
I absolutely think pitch preparation goes into tactics. I mean it’s been used forever in cricket. They know we like to knock it around at the back so a slower pitch with longer grass might create mistakes if the passes are under hit. Thankfully we overcame that.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
I don't think I have ever seen a player blatently jump out of challenges so often as Sancho. Howver, this was nothing new. He has been doing this for years.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
Do they use it for Rugby League or some similar
neanderthal Sport?
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ta da
On the plus side Leeds have scored 0 goals after an hour since opening day, and conceded 9. including 6 in the last 4.
Yeah but you also bigged-up their home form ;)
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So happy...the 35-year hoodoo has finally been broken!! Since we arrived in Shrewsbury in November 1990 we'd never seen the Villa win an away game when we'd been to watch them at the Beacon, Copthorne...the last debacle being at Man United on Boxing Day 2023. We can go there more often now :) :)
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Thanks for the points.
First the points, now the pints.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
Do they use it for Rugby League or some similar
neanderthal Sport?
Yes but RL has been finished for a few months.
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Rugby league is at Headingley. Not the cricket ground, but joined on to it. Which I always think is quite cool.
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The 'Other Games' thread on SHA was busy until 4.06pm. After that, not so much.
They'll be back on it soon to root for Spurs to overtake us! ;)
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
He shit out of a challenge (again) not too long before the end of the game. I would have subbed him there and then, absolutely pathetic levels of commitment.
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Two wonderful goals by Rogers and excellent subs by Unai. A game of two halves really as we were poor in the first and very good in the second. Malen was very good, as was Barkley. If we can cut out the sloppy bits, who knows what we might achieve. Ollie is very out of it at the moment, so much so, he needs a few games out. Great win and into the top four.
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It really has taken the sheen of everything we’ve done so far this season … or indeed ever … as we’ll forever be in the shadow of their mighty upturned table factory stadium.
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Look at that table. Mighty decent of us to give the rest of the league a head start over the first five games but if we hadn’t…
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Yes, we did seem to struggle with the stodgy pitch.
Until we hit them with a knuckle-sandwich in proper mofo mafioso style 8)
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Two wonderful goals by Rogers and excellent subs by Unai. A game of two halves really as we were poor in the first and very good in the second. Malen was very good, as was Barkley. If we can cut out the sloppy bits, who knows what we might achieve. Ollie is very out of it at the moment, so much so, he needs a few games out. Great win and into the top four.
Barkley started ok but he was really poor near the end. Kept giving the ball away.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
He shit out of a challenge (again) not too long before the end of the game. I would have subbed him there and then, absolutely pathetic levels of commitment.
Twice, he literally just stepped aside, to allow his opponent the ball.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
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PWS referenced it at the time.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
As if by magic
Leeds fan deciding a banning order is better than watching us score
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Great win. Well clawed back.
Marlen excellent.
If Ollie can find his mojo then it’s gonna be one hell of a season.
Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
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Super win, despite the difficult conditions, atrocious playing surface (surely that was a bit of Leeds chicanery?) and very aggressive approach from the home side.
We made our quality pay at the crucial moments. Terrific brace from Rogers, really of the very highest quality.
On an individual level, I thought it was a foul on Martinez for their goal, but that his shithousery caught up with him (he made up for it later on).
Was impressed by Torres' improved strength and persistence, especially when isolated by those longer balls through our inside left channel. He seems to have determined to take ball and player out of touch each time.
Our passing was mostly poor in the middle of the park, with Kamara particularly (and unusually) wasteful. He just couldn't get to the pace of the turf.
Ollie remains all at sea, sadly. It was a nice effort end of the first half, but he seems to be missing the crucial half a yard to make the most of situations – the potential one on one, the header early second half, and that break where he should have picked out Malen all alone.
Bit of a question mark over what Sancho brings to the party. He made a good early impression when he came on but faded – looked like he didn't fancy the physical challenge.
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Martinez weak as piss for goal but excellent afterwards
Cash decent
Konsa class
Pau struggled with passing
Digne nothing of note
Kamara Average for him
Tielemans sluggish
McGinn sloppy passing, to reliant on trying to win free kicks
Buendia targeted for rough treatment and it worked, poor from him
Watkins unlucky with shot but overall pretty poor
Rogers anonymous first half, genius 2nd
Subs
Barkley sloppy at times
Malen game changer, should of killed game with chance
Maatsen caused them problems
Sancho garbage
Bogarde tidy
The pitch definitely effected our normally crisp passing game through midfield
Overall hard fought away win at tough place to go, even though Leeds are shit
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It's all smoke and mirrors
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An interesting afternoon sat in the wrong end. I was certain their goal would be disallowed for a foul. They showed an offside picture in the stadium that looked dodgy. McGinn really wound their fans up, which was nice to see. Thought it was a tight game and we just did enough to win, couldn't have had too many complaints with a draw though. Thought Malen looked more dangerous than Watkins. Konsa played well. Some of Rogers' skill was magnificent but him and Ollie were both a bit wasteful in attack I thought. Surely their keeper should have saved the free kick? Great save by Emi late on. Leeds fans around me were very despondent. Farke not popular at all. I thought they gave us a challenge and I could see them staying up, although Forest and West Ham finding form doesn't help. As for us, up to 4th and the early season blip looks just that.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Yes I noticed that too. He doesn't look right but I can see him popping up with an important goal at some point. Zanioloesque.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
Correct, I've not seen them this season but it seems they still play like bunch of hyperactive kids juiced up on Sunny D.
Cracked-up, stacked-up, 22, psycho for sex and glue
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Aston Villa manager Unai Emery to BBC Match of the Day: "Leeds United eh? First half we struggled, they deserved the first half. We weren't dominating and competing like we did in the second half. Leeds were playing fantastic. Second half we changed some things. They tired in the second half and we dominated the ball more. We scored quick and that helped us a lot.
"It was key to equalise the match and then it continued. We had chances to get the second goal and we did. Then they had some chances. We are happy because this match was a challenge. I am so, so happy for the players.
"We are trying to set as high a standard as possible. My players were fantastic.
"Every team in the Premier League has great players and coaches. We must be consistent. We must be strong. Tactically it is very important and individually we have to show our quality."
On Morgan Rogers: "He was playing fantastic. Today scoring his goal was brilliant. I try to get of him his qualities and make him feel comfortable in our structures. On the left, in the middle and as a striker. He is so, so competitive player. Always he accepts everything we are trying to do with him."
He was performing fantastic, even when he wasn't scoring. It has always been his task to focus on the gameplan we have. Always he's playing well. Today it's better to be scoring goals but to me he's always the same. His season has been fantastic. He is getting progressively better like the team. And today, scoring goals, he was brilliant."
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Well that was a nice afternoon even if the weather was shite.
Altogether now….
🎶Leeds, Leeds are falling apart again….🎶
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Yes I noticed that too. He doesn't look right but I can see him popping up with an important goal at some point. Zanioloesque.
That's not really enough though, is it?
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It's all smoke and mirrors
Chimney pots and towers.
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Aston Villa's Morgan Rogers, speaking to BBC Match of the Day about his second-half free-kick: “I call it the Emi Buendia. He did it the in the last game before the break. It's something I've been practising, probably not as hard as him or as much as I should.
“Once he was off the pitch, I looked around and there was nobody else that really practised them, so I thought ‘why not?’ I know I’ve got them in the locker. It’s about consistency. From so close, it’s just about getting it up and down as quickly as possible.”
On celebrating with the set-piece coach: “He bangs on at me to do it more. Sometimes I don't do it as well as I should. That one was for him. He does his homework on all free-kicks, especially attacking free-kicks – how high we have to get it, how much it has to come down. He’s really good at stuff like that. That one was for him.”
On Villa's position: “The season kind of shapes in this big period. There’s no break, there are no gaps, it’s just relentless. The table kind of shapes how it will be until the rest of the season. We have to make sure we’re in and around the mix. It’s a good start.”
“It’s a difficult place to come. They’re really strong at home. They played really well, with a high intensity. We had to dig in, we had to dig deep. Luckily, we managed to find two goals in the second half to win the game, which is the most important thing.”
“Of course we want to play better with pretty football, but you can’t always do that in the Premier League. Different teams pose different problems. We were really good with grit and dertermination, and we got the win.”
On Villa's second-half improvement: “We played a lot quicker with more intensity and tried to hurt them more. In the first half, we didn’t really cause that many problems, but in the second half we definitely did. We played a lot quicker and a lot more forward.
“That definitely helps, but normally it’s about our heart and our spirit to win. Competing in battles, competing in duels, keep running, keep working. It was a difficult win, they pushed us right to the limit.”
On his goals: “I'm really happy. There’s been a few goals I haven't quite got in other games so it was nice to get on the score sheet. But if I don't score, it's OK as long as we get the win.
“The manager’s always banging on at me to get into the box. That’s where the goals are scored. Sometimes I'm hesitant to go in. I went in and just kind of reacted to the ball. I’m lucky I could get a toe on it. I was really happy with that one.
“Straight out of half-time, we had the energy. The crowd was up, everything was going well. It was a good time to score.”
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I think SUE thinks it was fantastic.
That works for me.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
As if by magic
Leeds fan deciding a banning order is better than watching us score
Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Morgan did that too - a couple of times in the last few minutes. But i'll forgive him because of goals
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Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
That doesn't sound like you.
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Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
That doesn't sound like you.
Completely out of character.
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
I thought Kamara had a poor game by his standards as did all of our midfield. Bogarde looked class when he came on as did Maatsen and Malen.
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Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
Has the heart the size of pea. On that pitch skills aren't going to count for much. Just battle like hell when you come on, the bare minimum expected of any pro at this level in other words. Guessand would have done that
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
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As poor as we were in the first half, Leeds didn't let us play really. Closed us down and kept fouling McGinn whenever they had chance. Malen coming on changed it and it meant we got more control of the midfield.
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Two great subs, two really good finishes and up to 4th. Which is nice.
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It's Dirty Leeds >:(
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Lovely clean Leeds who I have always had a soft spot for, you mean. Best of luck to them in their next three games.
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It's Dirty Leeds >:(
Technically, it's Dirty dirty Leeds surely.
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Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
Has the heart the size of pea. On that pitch skills aren't going to count for much. Just battle like hell when you come on, the bare minimum expected of any pro at this level in other words. Guessand would have done that
I have seen him pull out of a couple of things which i thought he could get to
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
Ref had huge arms the motherfucker.
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
Ref had huge arms the motherfucker.
You would have thought he would have booked more Leeds players so he can flex 🤔
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So happy...the 35-year hoodoo has finally been broken!! Since we arrived in Shrewsbury in November 1990 we'd never seen the Villa win an away game when we'd been to watch them at the Beacon, Copthorne...the last debacle being at Man United on Boxing Day 2023. We can go there more often now :) :)
A college girlfriend from The Mount used to take me there. Happy days.
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4th in the table, lovely stuff. Imagine where we might be if we’d had a decent summer transfer window?
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Job done
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A gritty, determined display and another occasion in which we've fought back to win when losing.
Someone needs to explain to Jaydon that dangling a leg like a wet noodle in 50-50s isn't good enough and puts us in difficult situations.
I went comms silent 2nd half because Andy Townsend is becoming the new Alan Smith, the floppy-haired, southern twonk.
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4th in the table, lovely stuff. Imagine where we might be if we’d had a decent summer transfer window?
You mean like 11th placed Liverpool ?
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
I thought Kamara had a poor game by his standards as did all of our midfield. Bogarde looked class when he came on as did Maatsen and Malen.
The midfield standard since Sunderland has been top top quality. Not so today.
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Job done
Over half of their xG is from the cut back, header and deflection from our clearance that was their goal. If the offside had been given as it looked like it should've we'd have been miles ahead on it.
But again, that's not what the stat is meant to be used for.
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Lovely clean Leeds who I have always had a soft spot for, you mean. Best of luck to them in their next three games.
Are they playinf Blues Albion and Wolves? If so all the best. If not enjoy the whinging
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Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Can't say I hold out much hope of them doing us a favour but you never know I suppose.
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Job done
Over half of their xG is from the cut back, header and deflection from our clearance that was their goal. If the offside had been given as it looked like it should've we'd have been miles ahead on it.
But again, that's not what the stat is meant to be used for.
Does anyone take any notice of xG bollocks, really ?
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Great gritty hard worked win . Absolute atrocious first half , other than a Watkins curly just wide , didnt do alot , still not convinced their goal was onside and Martinez was dreadful for the goal. . The early goal second half def settled us and gave us a lift even thou the dirts still kept plugging along .
Two wonderful goals by Morgan , a few players underpar but still have the quality to beat the dirts .
Sancho disapointed me a bit with lacklustre tackles and Barkley who did well for the freekick look knacked after 20 minutes , the pitch didnt help.
Shame we cant send Elliot back and replace with a striker or even Sancho as Watkins looks like he has lost some pace , hopefully he turns it around.
But whatabout Malen . he was brilliant today , pacey and strong , made a massive difference , MON with Rogers today .
I wonder if we had Malen in the champs league squad last season instead of Disasi , we might have won the champions league :)
I think top 4th is really on this season.
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Rugby league is at Headingley. Not the cricket ground, but joined on to it. Which I always think is quite cool.
The Rhinos have also played at Elland Road, last time being this year, today, first half.
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Yes I noticed that too. He doesn't look right but I can see him popping up with an important goal at some point. Zanioloesque.
You've just summed up the issue: referring to Zaniolo means no future for him.
By the way, I think the Z reference is more relevant to Guessand: has physique but little impact.
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Just watched the highlights and saw the ref explaining the disallowed goal on his mic. Did not hear it at all in the stadium.
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Two direct Free Kicks in consecutive games, sorcery!
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Those are the sort of games that can define your season.
Niggly opposition, rubbish ref and we still came out on top despite not being totally on it.
Wouldn't have fancied us being 4th going into Dec after the summer we had and the start of the season we endured. Yet here we are.
Spot on, its these games that count, equally its when you go to places like Leeds, a distinctly average team and lose that can also put a serious downturn in your season that you then have to recover from, we go on to the next game in 4th place and we do our very best to hold on to 4th. Its now the season starts in one respect.
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Big win. Takes us to 4th. Doing far better than many of us expected. 1st half poor. Second best on everything. 2nd half malen change completely changed the game. Once we adapted and started playing leeds couldnt handle us. They tired after that first half and we dominated. A very pleasing day all round
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
Was equally surprised to see how good our record at Elland Road was, no defeats since SGTII in the early 00s. Was sure they must have spanked us in the Ch'shit. I guess the losing a two goal lead and them winning 2-3 at VP at the death one Christmas was a scarring one-off!
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
Was equally surprised to see how good our record at Elland Road was, no defeats since SGTII in the early 00s. Was sure they must have spanked us in the Ch'shit. I guess the losing a two goal lead and them winning 2-3 at VP at the death one Christmas was a scarring one-off!
They definitely beat us at Elland Road in one of the championship years. It was a December, Chris Wood scored, think they beat us 2-0, probably under Bruce, maybe without looking back either Dec 2016 or 17
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Great result after a poor 1st half. Malen looks like he is part of the furniture now, and Konsa is pure class. Watkins is a big worry atm, his athleticism has always made up for his faults but old father time has got to his legs. McGinn and Youri were excellent and had too much energy for Leeds to handle 2nd half. Rogers did his usual, in and out of the game then gets a cracking brace. Keep McGinn/Tielemans/Kamara/Rogers fit and we could have a cracking season.
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
Was equally surprised to see how good our record at Elland Road was, no defeats since SGTII in the early 00s. Was sure they must have spanked us in the Ch'shit. I guess the losing a two goal lead and them winning 2-3 at VP at the death one Christmas was a scarring one-off!
They definitely beat us at Elland Road in one of the championship years. It was a December, Chris Wood scored, think they beat us 2-0, probably under Bruce, maybe without looking back either Dec 2016 or 17
Ah, yes, you're right. They got their stat wrong then unless they meant PL games.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
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I’m not sure how to substantiate it, but it feels to me that Unai has been getting the timing and impact of the substitutions much better this season than in previous seasons. Perhaps to do with the greater strength of the bench.
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
Was equally surprised to see how good our record at Elland Road was, no defeats since SGTII in the early 00s. Was sure they must have spanked us in the Ch'shit. I guess the losing a two goal lead and them winning 2-3 at VP at the death one Christmas was a scarring one-off!
They definitely beat us at Elland Road in one of the championship years. It was a December, Chris Wood scored, think they beat us 2-0, probably under Bruce, maybe without looking back either Dec 2016 or 17
Ah, yes, you're right. They got their stat wrong then unless they meant PL games.
We were beaten on the day that the Italian keeper made his debut for us. He was hopeless.
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Just listened to the match on BBC 5live catch up, just for the goals scored, one commentators said Rogers couldn't get it over the wall and was given their opinion on where he should place it,a round the wall was a suggestion and when he placed it over, they were trying to blame the Leeds players for not jumping,the keeper was at fault, imagine if Salad and Harland had done it,I got the impression that we were wrong to be winning at poor old Elland Road
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I’m not sure how to substantiate it, but it feels to me that Unai has been getting the timing and impact of the substitutions much better this season than in previous seasons. Perhaps to do with the greater strength of the bench.
It certainly seems that way. The Elliot off for Buendia in Fulham game started the wave.
Used Barkley smartly for large part. Got Maatsen on today too at the right time.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
They make it up as they go along. Chelsea did what Mings / Martinez did in Bruges yesterday ( picked the ball up when it was live in the penalty area, carbon copy in fact) and Burnley wanted a penalty...nothing doing. The commentator said glad common sense prevailed there. On a side note, Rob Jones prancing around like Peter Perfect was abysmal today.
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Dodgy first half but only one winner once we got it back to 1-1. Leeds just stood off us and allowed Youri to dictate all the play centrally which is really a big no-no.
Well done to Unai for making two subs at half time rather than wait until after the hour mark as he realised if we got a quick response we'd go on to win and so it occurred.
If we beat Wolves then I think going on the point per game ratio we'd be on course for better points return than last season and even 23/24.
Imagine thinking any of this was possible after Sunderland away, it has been some turnaround.
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I’m not sure how to substantiate it, but it feels to me that Unai has been getting the timing and impact of the substitutions much better this season than in previous seasons. Perhaps to do with the greater strength of the bench.
Agree. The substitutions are giving us real impetus in games.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
They make it up as they go along. Chelsea did what Mings / Martinez did in Bruges yesterday ( picked the ball up when it was live in the penalty area, carbon copy in fact) and Burnley wanted a penalty...nothing doing. The commentator said glad common sense prevailed there. On a side note, Rob Jones prancing around like Peter Perfect was abysmal today.
The commentator was spot on. Taking it as a misunderstanding and restarting from the goal kick is obviously the right thing to do, there are othger examples as well and I honestly can't think of one similar where it's been given as a penalty, was just really poor against us. As much as the rules are clear sometimes you just need to stop and think and apply the 'spirit' of the law instead of being entirely by the book. Annoyingly we seem to be a club that fairly regularly has these weird applications of the laws go against us where everyone knows that the decision wouldn't go that way 99 times out of a hundred but as it's technically justifiable in the laws we just have to live with it.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
They normally take it as above sleeves for handball when short sleeves are worn.
The initial line flashing blue circles is the line from the attacker to Watkins. The bit they took from Watkins is about halway between his shoulder and his sleeve as shown when they draw the line (it just pokes out above the sleeve.)
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If we beat Wolves then I think going on the point per game ratio we'd be on course for better points return than last season and even 23/24.
Oh no, you had to go and say it. Feck
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What we're doing in fourth after that start to the season I've no idea. Well in, Villa.
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What we're doing in fourth after that start to the season I've no idea. Well in, Villa.
If we'd started playing prior to October, we'd be top by now.
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Arsenal playing Chelsea next week. So if we can beat Wolves, we'd close in on at least one of them.
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Winning the next 3 sets us up nicely for Arsenal.
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Winning away from home while not being great is brilliant. Rogers will get MOM and it can’t be argued with. But, and there is a big but, he was mostly average and a liability when not. He won us the game mind so I shouldn’t complain but I support the Villa and strive for nothing but excellence from our team.
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Rogers is that unique type that can be average, or even cack, for 80 mins, and in that other 10 win you the game. He's still pretty young and inexperienced at this level so I expect more consistency to kick in over time.
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I'll take him being cack for most of the game if he pops up with two goals.
I actually think he loses possession more than anyone else because he's the one trying things, and he's doing that because Emery's specifically told him to, and not to worry if things don't always come off.
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No one else in our squad - or the entire league, has a similar mix of balance, strength and ability on the ball. He managed to shrug-off Ampadu late-on in our right-back area where most players would have been too physically weak to emerge with the ball without fouling.
Collymore in his pomp is still the only comparison that comes to mind. Thankfully we're seeing Morgz' best days after having the worst of Stan's.
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That really was awful from Martinez for their goal. Only saw it now. Was a lot braver in the air late on.
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That really was awful from Martinez for their goal. Only saw it now. Was a lot braver in the air late on.
It wasn't great but I'm amazed it wasn't given as a foul
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Not a foul for me, though obviously would have been if the goalkeeper had a shitey little devil on his badge.
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Not a foul for me either.
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Oh aye, I don't think it was a foul but when does anyone get away with touching the keeper?
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You see that sort of contact on the keeper given as a foul then vast majority of the time so while he could've been stronger I do think he felt the player lean into him and expected the customary free kick.
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No foul for me, it was like one v Brentford earlier in the season that Martinez got a very fortunate decision on. Needs to rediscover his moxie when the ball is in the air.
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As well as a clearly poor and slow pitch, did anyone else think the the poser ref kept getting in the way of both players and ball.
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So happy...the 35-year hoodoo has finally been broken!! Since we arrived in Shrewsbury in November 1990 we'd never seen the Villa win an away game when we'd been to watch them at the Beacon, Copthorne...the last debacle being at Man United on Boxing Day 2023. We can go there more often now :) :)
A college girlfriend from The Mount used to take me there. Happy days.
Interesting; it's a good pub. Know The Mount well; delivered, with my then 16-yo elder son, telephone directories to every house many years ago. We definitely got the short straw, all those steps, and long driveways :D
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I think part of the problem is Keepers expect to get the foul with any contact in that situation when they really shouldn’t
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As well as a clearly poor and slow pitch, did anyone else think the the poser ref kept getting in the way of both players and ball.
Yeah me. He doesn't seem to run right to left like most and is often too central in my opinion. And he's a big unit which doesn't help - in fact it may be the problem. He seemed to be really blowing when he was trying to explain the VAR input to the disallowed goal.
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DCL claiming it hit his chest and being laughed at.
https://x.com/trentvilla1/status/1992680082821783613?s=46
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He’s telling the truth. One of the reason DCL picks up injuries so often is because his chest is in the wrong place.
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Out of curiosity, was it going in if DCL hadn't touched it?
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I have been hard on Pau in the past as I believe his skills with the ball at his feet were not enough to make up for his defensive deficiencies and lack of physicality. It seems only fair to offer plaudits for his defensive play this season. He has been far more aggressive and physical than in previous seasons and has upped his defensive game noticeably. When he adds that side of his game to his passing efficiency, he is quite a player. He still lacks that extra yard of pace, but his physicality makes it more difficult for his opponents to find space to pick up a head of steam. Anyway, because I have been a detractor, I want to acknowledge that he really had improved this year (in my opinion; I am sure others will say he has always been this player) and I am enjoying watching him and Konsa play alongside one another.
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I have been hard on Pau in the past as I believe his skills with the ball at his feet were not enough to make up for his defensive deficiencies and lack of physicality. It seems only fair to offer plaudits for his defensive play this season. He has been far more aggressive and physical than in previous seasons and has upped his defensive game noticeably. When he adds that side of his game to his passing efficiency, he is quite a player. He still lacks that extra yard of pace, but his physicality makes it more difficult for his opponents to find space to pick up a head of steam. Anyway, because I have been a detractor, I want to acknowledge that he really had improved this year (in my opinion; I am sure others will say he has always been this player) and I am enjoying watching him and Konsa play alongside one another.
I agree, he is much more prepared to get closer earlier and more physical in contact.
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Out of curiosity, was it going in if DCL hadn't touched it?
Think it would have drifted wide.
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Out of curiosity, was it going in if DCL hadn't touched it?
Think it would have drifted wide.
Good save from Maritinez on the original shot which was on target but no way it was going in without a touch then.
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DCLSkerra claiming it hit DCL's chest and being laughed at.
https://x.com/trentvilla1/status/1992680082821783613?s=46
FTFY.
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Out of curiosity, was it going in if DCL hadn't touched it?
Think it would have drifted wide.
Good save from Maritinez on the original shot which was on target but no way it was going in without a touch then.
Ta.
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I quite enjoyed that, his emotions went from top of the world to banging his head against a brick wall. Too easy to blame the manager, their squad is a hovering round the relegation zone squad so they are performing at par. Now Forest and possibly West Ham get their act together it turns the screw for them.
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I have been hard on Pau in the past as I believe his skills with the ball at his feet were not enough to make up for his defensive deficiencies and lack of physicality. It seems only fair to offer plaudits for his defensive play this season. He has been far more aggressive and physical than in previous seasons and has upped his defensive game noticeably. When he adds that side of his game to his passing efficiency, he is quite a player. He still lacks that extra yard of pace, but his physicality makes it more difficult for his opponents to find space to pick up a head of steam. Anyway, because I have been a detractor, I want to acknowledge that he really had improved this year (in my opinion; I am sure others will say he has always been this player) and I am enjoying watching him and Konsa play alongside one another.
I agree, he is much more prepared to get closer earlier and more physical in contact.
I think he is having a fine season overall.
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Apart from the first 30 minutes, was really impressed with our performance. We have the ability to change gear when necessary. A few years in Europe has taught us to conserve energy when possible, let the ball do the work, scrap when we have to and all in the knowledge our extra quality will shine through in the end. Unai being the driver.
We are like the top Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd sides of the 70's, 80's and 90's. Win but keep a few gallons in the tank for the midweek battles.
Yet again, Cash, Torres, Konsa, McGinn, Tielemans really impressed. Rogers brilliant in flashes, Malen a game changer and Unai on the ball with his changes.
Onwards and upwards.
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Not a foul for me, though obviously would have been if the goalkeeper had a shitey little devil on his badge.
Or a bloody J (I'm looking at you Juventus)
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They would have paid the referee beforehand to be on the safe side.
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Not a foul for me, though obviously would have been if the goalkeeper had a shitey little devil on his badge.
Or a bloody J (I'm looking at you Juventus)
I made that comparison during the match.There was a slight nudge on Emi which is enough to make a difference when your mid air. We had that goal against Juventus ruled out because there was slight contact by Carlos. Some refs give it some don't I guess. But we all know if that was Liverpool or Yanited at home it gets disallowed because var is always looking to do them a favour.
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It's great that they dug in against Leeds predictable approach of hustle and bustle. Elland Road was hyperactive as ever and screaming for everything. If we can stand up to that shit and still come away with the points then maybe they listened to the boss when he said after the semi final and Man U capitulations "We must learn from this. We must be stronger in these situations"
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Much better 2nd half, both quality goals, my only complaint would be, after we went ahead, we kept giving away needless free kicks in dangerous areas, fortunately we defended them well.
On another matter, can't believe we've suddenly started to score from free kicks, I've probably waited 3 or 4 years for us to do so, then we score 2 in 2 games, both superb strikes, long may it continue.
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No foul for me, it was like one v Brentford earlier in the season that Martinez got a very fortunate decision on. Needs to rediscover his moxie when the ball is in the air.
Oz, Dennis and Barry agree with you.
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After dishing out the cherries posting I was counting down to this game and it didn’t disappoint!
Wonderful performance from the lads.
Some points :
We came back from a goal down in a hostile environment for the 2nd time and won - oh the feeling !!!!
We’re 2 points better off after 12 matches than last year;
Leeds’ own player looks at handball man incredulously as he tries to explain to our lads it hit his stomach- what a cheating d***;
Limbs in the away end;
We played some lovely stuff throughout the game;
The ref gave them everything in the first half and we struggled but SUE knew they couldn’t keep it up in the 2nd without burning out or down to 10 men and reorganised us;
Cash, Konsa, Kamara, SJM, Rogers, Buendia all carried on from the last game;
Ollie needs to benched until his injury recovers;
Maatsen and Malden gave us fresh impetus;
Im going to say it - this form will win us the league !!!!!
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Great win and great away day.
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Im going to say it - this form will win us the league !!!!!
Not there yet, personally.
But I do believe we will "have our say" on who ultimately wins the title, likely by scuppering one of the main challengers at a crucial time.
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If (and these are massive ifs) we can stay injury free, sign a goalscoring CF in January who hits the ground running / Watkins rediscovers his form. Then maybe we can have a really good go. Arsenal look pretty nailed on at the moment though it has to be said.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
They normally take it as above sleeves for handball when short sleeves are worn.
The initial line flashing blue circles is the line from the attacker to Watkins. The bit they took from Watkins is about halway between his shoulder and his sleeve as shown when they draw the line (it just pokes out above the sleeve.)
The bloke who it bounced in off was offside when the other Leeds bloke nodded it down as well, but they didn’t seem to check that one.
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Can someone put me right please? I thought that the arm stops at the end of the shoulder of the shirt for offsides? Ollie kept them onside by the point of his elbow, I thought that no longer counted?
They normally take it as above sleeves for handball when short sleeves are worn.
The initial line flashing blue circles is the line from the attacker to Watkins. The bit they took from Watkins is about halway between his shoulder and his sleeve as shown when they draw the line (it just pokes out above the sleeve.)
The bloke who it bounced in off was offside when the other Leeds bloke nodded it down as well, but they didn’t seem to check that one.
The official premier league match centre seemed to say they didn’t think he was interfering with play - despite scoring the goal 1second after it came off the Leeds player 3 yards away from him… it’s either poorly worded or incompetent.
“The referee call of goal was checked and confirmed by VAR - with Gudmundsson in an onside position in the build up. The VAR also checked the decision of no offside on Nmecha - with it deemed he did not impact Martinez after Stach played the ball. Contact on Martinez was also deemed not to be a foul.”
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Im going to say it - this form will win us the league !!!!!
Not there yet, personally.
But I do believe we will "have our say" on who ultimately wins the title, likely by scuppering one of the main challengers at a crucial time.
If we're still in the top four after the festive season I'll start to believe anything is possible. We have to travel to London two times in three days while our opponents Chelsea and Arsenal have two home games over the same period which is nice of the PL and in no way biased. Liverpool and Man U have been afforded the same luxury with two home games and both of them are playing Wolves (not at the same time obviously);)
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Does anyone take any notice of xG bollocks, really ?
If you have trouble with it, just rename it "Quality of Chances" in your head, and move on. No one seriously says "we beat them on quality of chances".
I know it's been done to death, but anyone using xG in relation to a single game is [deliberately] misrepresenting what it is for, as pointed out:
that's not what the stat is meant to be used for.
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If (and these are massive ifs) we can stay injury free, sign a goalscoring CF in January who hits the ground running / Watkins rediscovers his form. Then maybe we can have a really good go. Arsenal look pretty nailed on at the moment though it has to be said.
We will know where Arsenal are this time 2 weeks. Their next 2 games are at Chelsea and us. So basically 2 form teams and potential (although v loosely in our sense) challengers.
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Also the marble keeps rolling around my head on how the absolute f*** did we contrive to lose to the Liverpool?
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Also the marble keeps rolling around my head on how the absolute f*** did we contrive to lose to the Liverpool?
We played really poorly for an hour and gifted them the lead.
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Premier League rules state that the grass length must not exceed 30mm and must be uniform across the entire pitch, with officials checking this before each game. While the maximum is 30mm, most groundskeepers maintain a height between 20 and 22mm for a faster game.
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Premier League rules state that the grass length must not exceed 30mm and must be uniform across the entire pitch, with officials checking this before each game. While the maximum is 30mm, most groundskeepers maintain a height between 20 and 22mm for a faster game.
In the olden days (early 1990s) John Beck at Cambridge had the grass in the wide attacking areas kept long to make use of his long ball press. They'd hoof it into the corner and chase after it.
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
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Premier League rules state that the grass length must not exceed 30mm and must be uniform across the entire pitch, with officials checking this before each game. While the maximum is 30mm, most groundskeepers maintain a height between 20 and 22mm for a faster game.
It looked long, and very very wet (like they'd watered it a lot).
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
Agree to all your points bar one, don't think we looked particularly organised yesterday. Particularly down our left flank defensively in that second half - Sancho/Tielemans/Maatsen/Torres. Fortunate they left Dan James on the bench so long, he caused a lot of problems when he came in. Tielemans getting fitter will improve our ability to keep the ball, that pitch yesterday was dire
All that being said, it's some run of results since the debacle at Sunderland. That's with little or no impact from the summer signings.
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Malen tells us about the pitch….it was long and slow.
As pointed out on the match thread
https://youtu.be/SUldZ6Irm1w?si=5t8U75KQcf0Hko8_
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
How many people watching that first half would have brought on a defensive midfielder at half time? We have a manager who thinks outside the box and brings on a forward and a left back and it worked a treat.
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Premier League rules state that the grass length must not exceed 30mm and must be uniform across the entire pitch, with officials checking this before each game. While the maximum is 30mm, most groundskeepers maintain a height between 20 and 22mm for a faster game.
TBF it had rained an awful lot over the weekend in West Yorkshire.
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
How many people watching that first half would have brought on a defensive midfielder at half time? We have a manager who thinks outside the box and brings on a forward and a left back and it worked a treat.
On the subject of subs, I never want to see Barclay playing in the number 10 role again!
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Malen tells us about the pitch….it was long and slow.
As pointed out on the match thread but it was pointed out that we aren’t allowed to comment on the pitch as it makes us sound like sourness apparently !!
https://youtu.be/SUldZ6Irm1w?si=5t8U75KQcf0Hko8_
Which is exactly what Souness said and had the piss ripped out of him for. As Malen said it's the same for both. And we were much the better side the last hour so it wasn't that much of an issue. If anything it helped us if it was a heavy going pitch as it helped knacker out Leeds.
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You NEVER hear players commenting on pitches nowadays, so to hear a player say the grass was long means it was a thing.
The comments on the match thread were that the grass seemed long and the ball was rolling slowly, as has been backed up by a player.
The only person ‘ripping the piss’ was you.
There is no reason for anyone to deride comments that were observations not complaints.
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
How many people watching that first half would have brought on a defensive midfielder at half time? We have a manager who thinks outside the box and brings on a forward and a left back and it worked a treat.
On the subject of subs, I never want to see Barclay playing in the number 10 role again!
You didn’t like the free-kick he won that we scored the winner from?
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Whilst the pitch was the same for both teams, they will have been able to prepare for it better, knowing exactly what the conditions would be.
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Even the club took the piss out of Souness, which will always be funny
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1313163038233509888
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
Agree to all your points bar one, don't think we looked particularly organised yesterday. Particularly down our left flank defensively in that second half - Sancho/Tielemans/Maatsen/Torres. Fortunate they left Dan James on the bench so long, he caused a lot of problems when he came in. Tielemans getting fitter will improve our ability to keep the ball, that pitch yesterday was dire
All that being said, it's some run of results since the debacle at Sunderland. That's with little or no impact from the summer signings.
If just talking about yesterdays game fair enough, but in terms of us not playing that well lately, Id say go back and have a look at the last two home games against Man City and Bournemouth.
In regards to Dan James, I don’t think we were lucky he wasn’t playing longer. Anyone who has seen Dan James play over the last 6 or 7 years, will see he’s not really done anything of note for a whole game. There’s a reason he’s making short cameos for a very average Leeds side.
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Also the marble keeps rolling around my head on how the absolute f*** did we contrive to lose to the Liverpool?
We played really poorly for an hour and gifted them the lead.
And even then, we hit the post and the bar before they scored.
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Emery is a footballing genius, we are not playing particulary well and yet we are so well organised we are still getting results. I hope we have the financials to strengthen in January.
Agree to all your points bar one, don't think we looked particularly organised yesterday. Particularly down our left flank defensively in that second half - Sancho/Tielemans/Maatsen/Torres. Fortunate they left Dan James on the bench so long, he caused a lot of problems when he came in. Tielemans getting fitter will improve our ability to keep the ball, that pitch yesterday was dire
All that being said, it's some run of results since the debacle at Sunderland. That's with little or no impact from the summer signings.
If just talking about yesterdays game fair enough, but in terms of us not playing that well lately, Id say go back and have a look at the last two home games against Man City and Bournemouth.
In regards to Dan James, I don’t think we were lucky he wasn’t playing longer. Anyone who has seen Dan James play over the last 6 or 7 years, will see he’s not really done anything of note for a whole game. There’s a reason he’s making short cameos for a very average Leeds side.
He had the beating of Maatsen anyway when he came on
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I think the fans deserve a shout, thought they were brilliant yesterday.
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We’re 2 points better off after 12 matches than last year;
When did our sticky patch start last year (Kamara at CB etc), was it around now, and through to the start of January?
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We’re 2 points better off after 12 matches than last year;
When did our sticky patch start last year (Kamara at CB etc), was it around now, and through to the start of January?
We were actually just about to come out of our worst run of the season - that one started with the late draw to Bournemouth at the end of October and we then lost five and drew three, before winning three in a row at the start of December.
The only time we lost consecutive matches between the end of November and the end of the season was Man City away and the cup semi-final, and only once did we go three matches without a win (mid January, draws against Arsenal and West Ham either side of the Monaco defeat).
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Those stats tend to back up the theory that Emery's more controlled, less frenetic playing style helps keep our players fresher for the run-in.
Notwithstanding shite performances like the one we saw on the final day of last season.
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I think the fans deserve a shout, thought they were brilliant yesterday.
Very noisy in 2nd half especially when they were louder than the self professed loudest fans in the universe
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We’re 2 points better off after 12 matches than last year;
When did our sticky patch start last year (Kamara at CB etc), was it around now, and through to the start of January?
We were actually just about to come out of our worst run of the season - that one started with the late draw to Bournemouth at the end of October and we then lost five and drew three, before winning three in a row at the start of December.
The only time we lost consecutive matches between the end of November and the end of the season was Man City away and the cup semi-final, and only once did we go three matches without a win (mid January, draws against Arsenal and West Ham either side of the Monaco defeat).
That equaliser v Bournemouth was a bastard.
Bournemouth 1-1
Crystal Palace 1-2
Spurs 1-4
Brugge 0-1.
Liverpool 0-2
Crystal Palace 2-2
Juventus 0-0
Chelsea 0-3
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Especially as we shot ourselves in the foot.
Was driving at the time, had to pull in to a service station to regain my poise.
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Oops
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We’re 2 points better off after 12 matches than last year;
When did our sticky patch start last year (Kamara at CB etc), was it around now, and through to the start of January?
We were actually just about to come out of our worst run of the season - that one started with the late draw to Bournemouth at the end of October and we then lost five and drew three, before winning three in a row at the start of December.
The only time we lost consecutive matches between the end of November and the end of the season was Man City away and the cup semi-final, and only once did we go three matches without a win (mid January, draws against Arsenal and West Ham either side of the Monaco defeat).
Thanks Dave. I’m not sure what’s more impressive; remembering it all, or having the inclination to look it up. Either way, appreciated.
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Definitely the second option. Been a quiet day.
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Why VAR offside images are not always what they seem
Then on Sunday, Gabriel Gudmundsson's toe appeared to be within the video assistant referee (VAR) offside line before Lukas Nmecha scored the opening goal of the game for Leeds United against Aston Villa. Again, the goal was awarded.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn98d0yzzn8o
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I agree with baldy, remy and darren woolley.
Cracking stuff after the first half hour or so!
Clearly, speaking words of wisdom (at half time) Emereeeeeeeeeeeee!
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I agree with you Louize0.😊
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I agree with you Louize0.😊
🎉 good to know, Olaftab!
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