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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2025, 03:59:51 PM
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Never in doubt. 4th is nice.
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ta da
On the plus side Leeds have scored 0 goals after an hour since opening day, and conceded 9. including 6 in the last 4.
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
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Shit first half an hour, the much better side from then on.
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Excellent win. Character building rather than spectacular, but second half we showed them who's boss. Malen made a difference when he came on and Rogers was excellent.
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Thanks for the points.
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Great result. We're class.
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FFS Villa, absolutely fucking dreadful. Whenever a team is in bad form they must fucking love playing Aston fucking Villa.
YAAAASSS! We're gonna win the league!
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Malen the catalyst. And special mention to Cashy. I now officially love him.
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Get in. Hard game, made more difficult for ourselves by the start. But real character to win.
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Such a superb victory. We didn’t play well in the first half. Tactically I thoughts we were far too passive. But we started the second half so well, scored quickly and then dominated most of the game after that. Some silly free kicks given away but overall worked hard to get the win. Good character shown today.
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
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Never in doubt. UTV.
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Great result, really pleased with that.
They ran out of puff and Emery knew how to take advantage at half time.
He's built this team around Rogers, and rightly so.
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Malen changed the game.
If we had started the season better we’d be clear top.
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Great win, miles better second half.
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Great win. Very poor first half, Much better second. McGinn, Rogers & Konsa excellent.
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May have looked as though we made hard work of it but as others have said there are no easy games in this league
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Never in doubt.
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Much better second half - great result and all seems well. Cracking free kick. UTV
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Malen needs to start.
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Some result, that!
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
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Great physical performance. Poor technique throughout really (apart from the two goals), but fuck me did we battle!
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Those are the sort of games that can define your season.
Niggly opposition, rubbish ref and we still came out on top despite not being totally on it.
Wouldn't have fancied us being 4th going into Dec after the summer we had and the start of the season we endured. Yet here we are.
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That'll do. Top 4 is nice.
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Great second half after another worryingly poor first one. In the end, the results all that counts. And fuck me, could Sky get away from the game to Arsenal any faster? A new record even for them.
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
It's the sort of ground out win that pundits rave about when it's Cite£ or Arsenal et al.
A draw in the North London bellends Derby will be decent for our championship charge
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Put Wolves to the sword and Chelsea not beating Arsenal, then we could start December in the top three. Who'd have thought that at the start of September?
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Do we all know the words to ‘we’re gonna win the league’ ? 🤣
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Rugby League first half, football in the second. Thankfully we have Malen who changed the game. Credit to Rogers for two beautiful goals.
Onwards and upwards!
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This is ex-Villan, and pundit Stephen Warnock's pithy summary on the Beeb website.
Villa weren't great in the first half and Leeds should have put the game to bed. Villa stayed in it and had the ability to change it tactically and personnel and Daniel Farke will feel like that is a big opportunity missed
The kind of end of game summary that we'd get in days gone by when we'd get done over at home by one of the biggest boys.
Times change.
For the better? 😉😜
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
I'm just so jealous. Why do they always get the nice things.
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1st half was grim, and using my managerial experience I’d have yanked Rogers at half time. Hmm.
But what is a “Sancho”?
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Feels like a classic Emery away win - stogy first half where we try to control and don't look too adventurous, then second half put more pressure on before spending the last quarter holding on to a lead.
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Shout out to the Leeds grounds man who made a pudding of a pitch and we still won
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Excellent win again. Once we scored 1st never looked in doubt. In 40 years of following Villa I remember scoring the odd free kick maybe once or twice a season- I don't ever remember two in successive games. Ref let them be.physical but they clearly burnt themselves out by end of the first half. Love this team.
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Excellent win again. Once we scored 1st never looked in doubt. In 40 years of following Villa I remember scoring the odd free kick maybe once or twice a season- I don't ever remember two in successive games. Ref let them be.physical but they clearly burnt themselves out by end of the first half. Love this team.
Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Yes, we did seem to struggle with the stodgy pitch.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
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Coming from behind to win is always nice, more so at that place. Excellent free kick to win it, but amazed to hear that's the first free kick he's EVER taken in professional football. How many current internationals have a 100% record in taking free-kicks on goal?
Did anyone else think the pitch was shocking? I'm not sure if they left the grass a bit longer, or something else was wrong, but its churned up an awful lot for a top-flight pitch, and I lost count of the number of times passes were played that where they just lost all pace going across the grass. Was this a deliberate ploy on their part, given our preference for playing out from the back, or has it been that bad all season?
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The 'Other Games' thread on SHA was busy until 4.06pm. After that, not so much.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
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If he did it on purpose, the groundsman played a blinder.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
Magic McPhee.
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Leeds were like an annoying wasp that we needed to ignore not panic and play Emery football.They did their best to put us off from doing this but quality prevailed.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
Correct, I've not seen them this season but it seems they still play like bunch of hyperactive kids juiced up on Sunny D.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
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Let alone two consecutive knuckleballs by different players 🤣
It's like they practice them or something.
Magic McPhee.
Rogers went to celebrate with him apparently.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
I noticed this as well, Some of the balls didn't reach the intended target as the ball slowed down.
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If he did it on purpose, the groundsman played a blinder.
I absolutely think pitch preparation goes into tactics. I mean it’s been used forever in cricket. They know we like to knock it around at the back so a slower pitch with longer grass might create mistakes if the passes are under hit. Thankfully we overcame that.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
I don't think I have ever seen a player blatently jump out of challenges so often as Sancho. Howver, this was nothing new. He has been doing this for years.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
Do they use it for Rugby League or some similar
neanderthal Sport?
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ta da
On the plus side Leeds have scored 0 goals after an hour since opening day, and conceded 9. including 6 in the last 4.
Yeah but you also bigged-up their home form ;)
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So happy...the 35-year hoodoo has finally been broken!! Since we arrived in Shrewsbury in November 1990 we'd never seen the Villa win an away game when we'd been to watch them at the Beacon, Copthorne...the last debacle being at Man United on Boxing Day 2023. We can go there more often now :) :)
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Thanks for the points.
First the points, now the pints.
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Seemed to me that they deliberately grow the grass a bit longer to slow the ball and therefore stop proper footballing teams.
Dirty dirty Leeds.
Do they use it for Rugby League or some similar
neanderthal Sport?
Yes but RL has been finished for a few months.
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Rugby league is at Headingley. Not the cricket ground, but joined on to it. Which I always think is quite cool.
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The 'Other Games' thread on SHA was busy until 4.06pm. After that, not so much.
They'll be back on it soon to root for Spurs to overtake us! ;)
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
He shit out of a challenge (again) not too long before the end of the game. I would have subbed him there and then, absolutely pathetic levels of commitment.
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Two wonderful goals by Rogers and excellent subs by Unai. A game of two halves really as we were poor in the first and very good in the second. Malen was very good, as was Barkley. If we can cut out the sloppy bits, who knows what we might achieve. Ollie is very out of it at the moment, so much so, he needs a few games out. Great win and into the top four.
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It really has taken the sheen of everything we’ve done so far this season … or indeed ever … as we’ll forever be in the shadow of their mighty upturned table factory stadium.
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Look at that table. Mighty decent of us to give the rest of the league a head start over the first five games but if we hadn’t…
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Yes, we did seem to struggle with the stodgy pitch.
Until we hit them with a knuckle-sandwich in proper mofo mafioso style 8)
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Two wonderful goals by Rogers and excellent subs by Unai. A game of two halves really as we were poor in the first and very good in the second. Malen was very good, as was Barkley. If we can cut out the sloppy bits, who knows what we might achieve. Ollie is very out of it at the moment, so much so, he needs a few games out. Great win and into the top four.
Barkley started ok but he was really poor near the end. Kept giving the ball away.
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Only saw second half, at that I thought our performance was all over the place. In mitigation, games after the internationals always difficult and pitch seemed glue like. Malen could have finished it earlier and had a very strong cameo. Good to see Martinez coming for a few crosses again. Some of our subs very poor and Sancho was a disgrace.
Sancho is a total waste of space.
What is it, £200k of his £300k we're ponying up each week? A great use of resources for a club as supposedly neurotic about FFP as we are.
Don't think Lindleof is sitting on our bench for Championship-level wages either.
Monchi should've been given his cards as soon as he suggested that pair.
He shit out of a challenge (again) not too long before the end of the game. I would have subbed him there and then, absolutely pathetic levels of commitment.
Twice, he literally just stepped aside, to allow his opponent the ball.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
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PWS referenced it at the time.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
As if by magic
Leeds fan deciding a banning order is better than watching us score
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Great win. Well clawed back.
Marlen excellent.
If Ollie can find his mojo then it’s gonna be one hell of a season.
Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
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Super win, despite the difficult conditions, atrocious playing surface (surely that was a bit of Leeds chicanery?) and very aggressive approach from the home side.
We made our quality pay at the crucial moments. Terrific brace from Rogers, really of the very highest quality.
On an individual level, I thought it was a foul on Martinez for their goal, but that his shithousery caught up with him (he made up for it later on).
Was impressed by Torres' improved strength and persistence, especially when isolated by those longer balls through our inside left channel. He seems to have determined to take ball and player out of touch each time.
Our passing was mostly poor in the middle of the park, with Kamara particularly (and unusually) wasteful. He just couldn't get to the pace of the turf.
Ollie remains all at sea, sadly. It was a nice effort end of the first half, but he seems to be missing the crucial half a yard to make the most of situations – the potential one on one, the header early second half, and that break where he should have picked out Malen all alone.
Bit of a question mark over what Sancho brings to the party. He made a good early impression when he came on but faded – looked like he didn't fancy the physical challenge.
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Martinez weak as piss for goal but excellent afterwards
Cash decent
Konsa class
Pau struggled with passing
Digne nothing of note
Kamara Average for him
Tielemans sluggish
McGinn sloppy passing, to reliant on trying to win free kicks
Buendia targeted for rough treatment and it worked, poor from him
Watkins unlucky with shot but overall pretty poor
Rogers anonymous first half, genius 2nd
Subs
Barkley sloppy at times
Malen game changer, should of killed game with chance
Maatsen caused them problems
Sancho garbage
Bogarde tidy
The pitch definitely effected our normally crisp passing game through midfield
Overall hard fought away win at tough place to go, even though Leeds are shit
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It's all smoke and mirrors
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An interesting afternoon sat in the wrong end. I was certain their goal would be disallowed for a foul. They showed an offside picture in the stadium that looked dodgy. McGinn really wound their fans up, which was nice to see. Thought it was a tight game and we just did enough to win, couldn't have had too many complaints with a draw though. Thought Malen looked more dangerous than Watkins. Konsa played well. Some of Rogers' skill was magnificent but him and Ollie were both a bit wasteful in attack I thought. Surely their keeper should have saved the free kick? Great save by Emi late on. Leeds fans around me were very despondent. Farke not popular at all. I thought they gave us a challenge and I could see them staying up, although Forest and West Ham finding form doesn't help. As for us, up to 4th and the early season blip looks just that.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Yes I noticed that too. He doesn't look right but I can see him popping up with an important goal at some point. Zanioloesque.
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Well done on 2nd half. Thought Malen made a huge difference, another fine cameo from Barkely. Youri grew into the game. 1st half lethargic and sloppy but we stepped up.
Can I just make one comment that we can all agree on.
Leeds are not a Big Club.
Correct, I've not seen them this season but it seems they still play like bunch of hyperactive kids juiced up on Sunny D.
Cracked-up, stacked-up, 22, psycho for sex and glue
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Aston Villa manager Unai Emery to BBC Match of the Day: "Leeds United eh? First half we struggled, they deserved the first half. We weren't dominating and competing like we did in the second half. Leeds were playing fantastic. Second half we changed some things. They tired in the second half and we dominated the ball more. We scored quick and that helped us a lot.
"It was key to equalise the match and then it continued. We had chances to get the second goal and we did. Then they had some chances. We are happy because this match was a challenge. I am so, so happy for the players.
"We are trying to set as high a standard as possible. My players were fantastic.
"Every team in the Premier League has great players and coaches. We must be consistent. We must be strong. Tactically it is very important and individually we have to show our quality."
On Morgan Rogers: "He was playing fantastic. Today scoring his goal was brilliant. I try to get of him his qualities and make him feel comfortable in our structures. On the left, in the middle and as a striker. He is so, so competitive player. Always he accepts everything we are trying to do with him."
He was performing fantastic, even when he wasn't scoring. It has always been his task to focus on the gameplan we have. Always he's playing well. Today it's better to be scoring goals but to me he's always the same. His season has been fantastic. He is getting progressively better like the team. And today, scoring goals, he was brilliant."
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Well that was a nice afternoon even if the weather was shite.
Altogether now….
🎶Leeds, Leeds are falling apart again….🎶
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Yes I noticed that too. He doesn't look right but I can see him popping up with an important goal at some point. Zanioloesque.
That's not really enough though, is it?
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Sorry - I’m still far too rattled by Blues stadium announcement to enjoy any of this. ;)
It's all smoke and mirrors
Chimney pots and towers.
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Aston Villa's Morgan Rogers, speaking to BBC Match of the Day about his second-half free-kick: “I call it the Emi Buendia. He did it the in the last game before the break. It's something I've been practising, probably not as hard as him or as much as I should.
“Once he was off the pitch, I looked around and there was nobody else that really practised them, so I thought ‘why not?’ I know I’ve got them in the locker. It’s about consistency. From so close, it’s just about getting it up and down as quickly as possible.”
On celebrating with the set-piece coach: “He bangs on at me to do it more. Sometimes I don't do it as well as I should. That one was for him. He does his homework on all free-kicks, especially attacking free-kicks – how high we have to get it, how much it has to come down. He’s really good at stuff like that. That one was for him.”
On Villa's position: “The season kind of shapes in this big period. There’s no break, there are no gaps, it’s just relentless. The table kind of shapes how it will be until the rest of the season. We have to make sure we’re in and around the mix. It’s a good start.”
“It’s a difficult place to come. They’re really strong at home. They played really well, with a high intensity. We had to dig in, we had to dig deep. Luckily, we managed to find two goals in the second half to win the game, which is the most important thing.”
“Of course we want to play better with pretty football, but you can’t always do that in the Premier League. Different teams pose different problems. We were really good with grit and dertermination, and we got the win.”
On Villa's second-half improvement: “We played a lot quicker with more intensity and tried to hurt them more. In the first half, we didn’t really cause that many problems, but in the second half we definitely did. We played a lot quicker and a lot more forward.
“That definitely helps, but normally it’s about our heart and our spirit to win. Competing in battles, competing in duels, keep running, keep working. It was a difficult win, they pushed us right to the limit.”
On his goals: “I'm really happy. There’s been a few goals I haven't quite got in other games so it was nice to get on the score sheet. But if I don't score, it's OK as long as we get the win.
“The manager’s always banging on at me to get into the box. That’s where the goals are scored. Sometimes I'm hesitant to go in. I went in and just kind of reacted to the ball. I’m lucky I could get a toe on it. I was really happy with that one.
“Straight out of half-time, we had the energy. The crowd was up, everything was going well. It was a good time to score.”
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I think SUE thinks it was fantastic.
That works for me.
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Apparently a Leeds fan invaded the pitch to have a go at Farke. I missed that.
As if by magic
Leeds fan deciding a banning order is better than watching us score
Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
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Sancho pulled out of a 50/50 and watched their player run off with the ball, at a time where we needed real commitment from every player.
I’m really not sure what he offers us.
Morgan did that too - a couple of times in the last few minutes. But i'll forgive him because of goals
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Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
That doesn't sound like you.
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Ta. I must have been busy ranting.
That doesn't sound like you.
Completely out of character.
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
I thought Kamara had a poor game by his standards as did all of our midfield. Bogarde looked class when he came on as did Maatsen and Malen.
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Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
Has the heart the size of pea. On that pitch skills aren't going to count for much. Just battle like hell when you come on, the bare minimum expected of any pro at this level in other words. Guessand would have done that
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There was a graphic put up stating that they have not lost at home after scoring first in about 2 years or such like.
41 games 33 wins, 8 draws after scoring first. Makes the win even more impressive.
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As poor as we were in the first half, Leeds didn't let us play really. Closed us down and kept fouling McGinn whenever they had chance. Malen coming on changed it and it meant we got more control of the midfield.
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Two great subs, two really good finishes and up to 4th. Which is nice.
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It's Dirty Leeds >:(
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Lovely clean Leeds who I have always had a soft spot for, you mean. Best of luck to them in their next three games.
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It's Dirty Leeds >:(
Technically, it's Dirty dirty Leeds surely.
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Special mention for Sancho.
He offers fuck all. Nothing going forward and doesn’t defend.
Like playing with 10 men.
Send him back in January. Fraud.
Has the heart the size of pea. On that pitch skills aren't going to count for much. Just battle like hell when you come on, the bare minimum expected of any pro at this level in other words. Guessand would have done that
I have seen him pull out of a couple of things which i thought he could get to
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
Ref had huge arms the motherfucker.
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Scrappy, stodgy, little fluency and not helped by a very, er, crowd-pleasing ref, but we buggered on through. Good for us.
Who also needs a bigger shirt for those guns 💪
Ref had huge arms the motherfucker.
You would have thought he would have booked more Leeds players so he can flex 🤔
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So happy...the 35-year hoodoo has finally been broken!! Since we arrived in Shrewsbury in November 1990 we'd never seen the Villa win an away game when we'd been to watch them at the Beacon, Copthorne...the last debacle being at Man United on Boxing Day 2023. We can go there more often now :) :)
A college girlfriend from The Mount used to take me there. Happy days.
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4th in the table, lovely stuff. Imagine where we might be if we’d had a decent summer transfer window?
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Job done
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A gritty, determined display and another occasion in which we've fought back to win when losing.
Someone needs to explain to Jaydon that dangling a leg like a wet noodle in 50-50s isn't good enough and puts us in difficult situations.
I went comms silent 2nd half because Andy Townsend is becoming the new Alan Smith, the floppy-haired, southern twonk.
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4th in the table, lovely stuff. Imagine where we might be if we’d had a decent summer transfer window?
You mean like 11th placed Liverpool ?
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Excellent. That’s how you grind out a tough, tough win.
Morgan will get the headlines, but Kamara was an absolute colossus.
I thought Kamara had a poor game by his standards as did all of our midfield. Bogarde looked class when he came on as did Maatsen and Malen.
The midfield standard since Sunderland has been top top quality. Not so today.
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That’s 5 successive games we’ve lost on the pointless xG nonsense….do we have to send the 12 points back?
Job done
Over half of their xG is from the cut back, header and deflection from our clearance that was their goal. If the offside had been given as it looked like it should've we'd have been miles ahead on it.
But again, that's not what the stat is meant to be used for.
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Lovely clean Leeds who I have always had a soft spot for, you mean. Best of luck to them in their next three games.
Are they playinf Blues Albion and Wolves? If so all the best. If not enjoy the whinging
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Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Can't say I hold out much hope of them doing us a favour but you never know I suppose.