Post by: Smirker on February 01, 2025, 07:29:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2025, 07:29:12 PM
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Post by: Villan82 on February 01, 2025, 07:30:57 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:31:16 PM
You have totally fucking killed us you and monchi letting all tyese players go with no one signed. fools
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 07:31:22 PM
Right, we aren't qualifying for the European Cup by league position. Sign some players and don't even fucking think about resting anybody in the cup next week.
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 01, 2025, 07:31:30 PM
Post by: IFWaters on February 01, 2025, 07:31:43 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2025, 07:31:50 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 01, 2025, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: enigma on February 01, 2025, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 01, 2025, 07:32:16 PM
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 01, 2025, 07:32:29 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on February 01, 2025, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 01, 2025, 07:33:27 PM
Post by: villa for life on February 01, 2025, 07:33:54 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2025, 07:34:01 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 07:34:10 PM
Fully deserved. We were woeful.
As we typically are away and post Europe.
A few thoughts:
- The decision to sell our back-up centre half and not have a replacement ready was reckless and stupid and has cost us.
- Our “controlled” approach just does not work, particularly away from home. We’ve done this so many times now - Unai learn the lesson please. We have to play with more dynamism.
- We too often look like we don’t have an attacking plan, and play like individuals.
- Malan at least look promising and tried to inject some urgency.
Crap again, as it has been too often in the league this year. Not good enough.
Post by: Nev on February 01, 2025, 07:34:20 PM
But not as much as the club selling players from under the manager and expecting miracles. What a fucking mess.
Of our own design.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 07:34:25 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2025, 07:34:30 PM
Truthfully don't expect anything away from villa park and kind of resigned to not winningDifficult to win away when you concede so easily.
Post by: rob_bridge on February 01, 2025, 07:34:35 PM
That's it
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 07:34:39 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 01, 2025, 07:35:21 PM
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2025, 07:36:05 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 01, 2025, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: Jane on February 01, 2025, 07:36:21 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 07:36:22 PM
That's the most worrying aspect.
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 01, 2025, 07:36:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2025, 07:36:42 PM
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2025, 07:36:48 PM
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 07:36:54 PM
Makes you wonder why we want to be in there agin next year…..or maybe not based on that showing.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2025, 07:37:09 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2025, 07:37:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 07:37:46 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:37:47 PM
In pre match
I have a feeling its going to be a flat performance as we put so much in Wednesday night
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 07:37:58 PM
Monchi came with a big reputation but has done nothing as far as i can see, desperate for a central defender. We really miss Pau.No , we really miss Mings .
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 07:38:46 PM
Not sure if Bailey and Onana have the bravery for physical battles. Embarassing having to see the team captain and manager drag both of them off the ground in injury time. I miss Douglas Louise.
That was bad. I'm not sure either player has much of a future at Villa Park past the summer.
Post by: Nev on February 01, 2025, 07:38:48 PM
Bad as we were, we probably would have won had our perfectly legal goal been allowed.
Correct. But like Brexit, VAR will sort it.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 07:39:01 PM
There’s no plan b when teams pack in front of us. Just dismal.
It's fine margins. A clever free-kick routine and an intricate through ball could easily have equalised it for us and it wouldn't have been underserved. 1-1 means Wolves can't just sit deep and play on the counter. The concession of early goals is just crippling. It's really frustrating cos we're quite close to being a really good team yet at the same time far away.
Post by: Rigadon on February 01, 2025, 07:40:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 07:40:21 PM
Can't keep hoping that upping the tempo and playing well for 10-15 mins a game is going to be enough for 3 points.
Yep and that’s the thing - we just look like a midtable side.
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2025, 07:40:56 PM
Post by: jon collett on February 01, 2025, 07:41:45 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 01, 2025, 07:41:48 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 01, 2025, 07:42:12 PM
These awful performances are becoming more and more commonplace. Really concerning.Fully agree
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2025, 07:42:21 PM
Post by: Richard on February 01, 2025, 07:43:08 PM
Wow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 07:43:26 PM
Post by: KevinGage on February 01, 2025, 07:43:48 PM
To actually lose to them, fucking hell. That’s a special effort.
Can’t blame the VAR specialist (if that isn’t the ultimate oxymoron) or the officials for this either.
We know at this stage they’ll deliver at least one shockingly bad call against us per game at this point.
You need to create enough chances to take their odd interpretations or rank stupidity out of the equation.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 07:44:07 PM
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 07:44:17 PM
VAR not overturning his flag is a huge huge mistake
That goal stands and we go onto win I reckon.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:44:32 PM
Wow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
We cant turn on unai. Its not his fault. Its monchi and vidagamys.
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2025, 07:45:06 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 01, 2025, 07:45:35 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 07:46:04 PM
Would anyone like to discuss Zoroastrianism with me?
Anyone?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 01, 2025, 07:46:56 PM
Today was a great chance to get up with 40/41 pointers after earlier results but as usual we have been hopeless post UCL game. We have proved those pundits right who said we won’t be able to cope with CL and PL duty. Pity but there we are.
That's it in a nutshell.
Same thing happened to Newcastle when they qualified for the CL with PSR restrictions on transfers.
Post by: PhilVill on February 01, 2025, 07:47:07 PM
If there’s any positives to take Bogarde played very well.
Also thought Ned did really well when he came on.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 01, 2025, 07:47:30 PM
You might be right with that one!!Wow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 01, 2025, 07:47:53 PM
So, Zoroastrianism, that's an interesting one. You can make the case that Zoroastrian influence brought into Israel by the Persians was the reason why Judaism became a monotheistic religion and that, by extension, Judaism, Christianity and Islam would never have developed as they did, if at all, without it. It's largely unknown in the west, though. We don't even know if Zoroaster actually existed.Voltaire if you can summon the dead
Would anyone like to discuss Zoroastrianism with me?
Anyone?
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 07:48:26 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2025, 07:48:49 PM
So, Zoroastrianism, that's an interesting one. You can make the case that Zoroastrian influence brought into Israel by the Persians was the reason why Judaism became a monotheistic religion and that, by extension, Judaism, Christianity and Islam would never have developed as they did, if at all, without it. It's largely unknown in the west, though. We don't even know if Zoroaster actually existed.
Would anyone like to discuss Zoroastrianism with me?
Anyone?
I liked a couple of the early Zorro films as a kid.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 07:49:49 PM
We played one of the poorest teams in the league and they won pretty comfortably. Unacceptable.
Disagree, we had them penned-in for most of the second half, 90% possession at one point. Only the good sides are able to recycle the ball for long periods of time. And it was a local derby where form/quality often goes out the window.
They were more up for it physically and emotionally and they'd had four extra days to prepare for it. We weren't great but I think we deserved a draw.
Post by: Pete3206 on February 01, 2025, 07:50:07 PM
There were no excuses for that dog's breakfast of a performance.
Post by: Beard82 on February 01, 2025, 07:51:25 PM
Again only played well for 15 mins. The problem is we’re getting weaker each window - I don’t know if it’s because of FFP - but it’s shocking and is costing us.
Baileys loss of form is a big issue - we’ve basically lost all his goals and assists, and dougies, and diabys. And only have 1 fit centre back. Combined with all the chopping and changing it really is a fucking mess. FFP is at the heart of it but we’ve made way too many poor decisions on and off the pitch.
Basically we had to be near faultless in everything to match last year and we just haven’t. I think “losing” Bailey and dougie and not replacing them correctly has killed us and there’s a very real risk of this becoming a sliding doors moment
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 07:52:05 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 01, 2025, 07:53:18 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on February 01, 2025, 07:54:02 PM
Robbed of a goal - which would have changed things an absolutely shocking decision.you can add Diaby.
Again only played well for 15 mins. The problem is we’re getting weaker each window - I don’t know if it’s because of FFP - but it’s shocking and is costing us.
Baileys loss of form is a big issue - we’ve basically lost all his goals and assists, and dougies, and diabys. And only have 1 fit centre back. Combined with all the chopping and changing it really is a fucking mess. FFP is at the heart of it but we’ve made way too many poor decisions on and off the pitch.
Basically we had to be near faultless in everything to match last year and we just haven’t. I think “losing” Bailey and dougie and not replacing them correctly has killed us and there’s a very real risk of this becoming a sliding doors moment
Post by: villadelph on February 01, 2025, 07:54:19 PM
That disallowed goal did for us. Just pathetic refereeing
the fact that it was flagged at the off is even weirder.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:54:37 PM
That disallowed goal did for us. Just pathetic refereeing
Although true that would have papered thw cracks. We were bloody awful. Losing 2-0 to wolves is simply embarrassing
Post by: manic-road on February 01, 2025, 07:55:48 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 07:56:03 PM
- without Cash we went through three different right backs today
- our best midfielder was at LCB and had a nightmare
- Tielemans a 10, playing at 6 again where he's a liability
- Watkins limping off unsurprisingly after 9 games in last month, no striker in reserve to come on
- likes of Rogers and Tielemans clearly fatigued
Monchi has not given Emery much of a chance here. I couldn't stand Carlos but playing 2 x PL games and1 x CL game with one fit centre back is ridiculous.
Martinez 6 - beaten too easily for the goal but stopped first half being a rout
Garcia 3 - crazy decision to start him in that back 4, lost
Konsa 2 - I'm not sure what has happened to turn him into one of the most dislikeable Villa players I can remember. A responsibility dodging pr*ck today starting with the first ball that came his way
Kamara 3 - nightmare first half exposed him out of position. At fault badly for first and nearly another
Digne 5 - far from the worst but Bellegarde caused a lot of problems
Bogarde 5 - utterly lost in first half but reasonable defensive shift in second at RB
Tielemans 5 - tidy with ball usually but a liability without it in that position.
McGinn 6 - at least played like it was a derby, getting stuck in but not much quality where it mattered
Rogers 4 - fatigue obviously and issue at this stage but ball retention was really weak today. Didn't seem up for the physical duels
Ramsey 1 - awful in just about everything he did. First touch needs huge work. Attitude all wrong.
Watkins 4 - struggling anyway with his hold up play and limping clearly for 5-10 mins before half time
Maatsen was decent enough I thought, Bailey started well, got kicked a few times and hid then, Onana is a dud, Malen isn't a 9 but few times he spun to left he looked decent. Ned was ok in likely his last appearance for us.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 01, 2025, 07:57:36 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2025, 07:58:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:59:47 PM
Officials wrecked the game with that disallowed goal…disgusting decision
It was horrible i agree but we should ahve been 3 down at half time. The performance was not acceptable
Post by: itbrvilla on February 01, 2025, 08:00:40 PM
Officials wrecked the game with that disallowed goal…disgusting decisionWe wrecked the game by being shit. Should have already been dead and burrows by then.
Post by: wolfman999 on February 01, 2025, 08:00:45 PM
And the whole post-Champions League not winning a game, is an insult to the fans. It smacks of a lack of any desire from the players to knuckle down to the bread-and-butter.
And all we ever hear is that players are desperate to play in the Champions League. After every game mid week, it's followed by a similar half-arsed performance like tonight. Well paid professional athletes should be able to cope with games three days apart, especially against one of the worst teams in the league who are coming off a terrible run of results.
Post by: Paul.S on February 01, 2025, 08:01:28 PM
Poor today and robbed by another pathetic decision by what are the worst set of officials in European football.
We have a great coach who will lead us to success. It’s not easy and we are battling against financial restrictions that are there to keep the few happy.
UTFV
Post by: Nev on February 01, 2025, 08:01:38 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 08:01:46 PM
We played one of the poorest teams in the league and they won pretty comfortably. Unacceptable.
Disagree, we had them penned-in for most of the second half, 90% possession at one point. Only the good sides are able to recycle the ball for long periods of time. And it was a local derby where form/quality often goes out the window.
They were more up for it physically and emotionally and they'd had four extra days to prepare for it. We weren't great but I think we deserved a draw.
Was that 90% period when we mustered 1 shot?
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 01, 2025, 08:02:39 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 01, 2025, 08:04:00 PM
At the same time I also think the general performance and effort levels were pathetic.
Post by: shipscat on February 01, 2025, 08:04:33 PM
We're gonna finish about 9th/10th like this..We need something different for a lot of these aways...the controlling , measured approach has been counteracted by a lot of opposition now..Again, hardly any of the front 5 held it up or did anything meaningful... fatigue is a factor. I'd rather we had changed it and had Ramsey, Rogers to come on after their efforts midweek...Felt for Garcia and he probably would have benefited from coming off the bench too..all hindsight but think we all knew this would be a tight game with the Dog heads pressing us, especially in the first half as every ferker seems to do.
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 01, 2025, 08:05:24 PM
You can't stop a player leaving but surely in the crazy state we are in we could have had some condition that allowed us to keep him until the end of the season, its very simple now, before this window closes we need to see 4 or 5 players in (obvious positions)
The other point to this, Emry said a few days ago that you can let a player go if its good for the player, good for the team and good for the club, well this certainly wasn't good for the team today and its a disaster for the club.
If you can get beat by Wolves we can get beat by anybody in the Premiership when the fizzy pop goes out the CL and we are looking at the reality of this season in the cold light of morning, the chickens are going to come home to roost.
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 08:05:44 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 08:05:46 PM
Goal 2 , what is Konsa doing , and yet again Martinez beaten by a low cross shot .
Overall that was a rancid performance, which we all predicted anyway . Sad .
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 01, 2025, 08:05:55 PM
Ok second half I guess after a frankly disgusting performance in the first half. 4 subs tells its own story. We can all quibble with the odd selection decision or sub but:
- without Cash we went through three different right backs today
- our best midfielder was at LCB and had a nightmare
- Tielemans a 10, playing at 6 again where he's a liability
- Watkins limping off unsurprisingly after 9 games in last month, no striker in reserve to come on
- likes of Rogers and Tielemans clearly fatigued
Monchi has not given Emery much of a chance here. I couldn't stand Carlos but playing 2 x PL games and1 x CL game with one fit centre back is ridiculous.
Martinez 6 - beaten too easily for the goal but stopped first half being a rout
Garcia 3 - crazy decision to start him in that back 4, lost
Konsa 2 - I'm not sure what has happened to turn him into one of the most dislikeable Villa players I can remember. A responsibility dodging pr*ck today starting with the first ball that came his way
Kamara 3 - nightmare first half exposed him out of position. At fault badly for first and nearly another
Digne 5 - far from the worst but Bellegarde caused a lot of problems
Bogarde 5 - utterly lost in first half but reasonable defensive shift in second at RB
Tielemans 5 - tidy with ball usually but a liability without it in that position.
McGinn 6 - at least played like it was a derby, getting stuck in but not much quality where it mattered
Rogers 4 - fatigue obviously and issue at this stage but ball retention was really weak today. Didn't seem up for the physical duels
Ramsey 1 - awful in just about everything he did. First touch needs huge work. Attitude all wrong.
Watkins 4 - struggling anyway with his hold up play and limping clearly for 5-10 mins before half time
Maatsen was decent enough I thought, Bailey started well, got kicked a few times and hid then, Onana is a dud, Malen isn't a 9 but few times he spun to left he looked decent. Ned was ok in likely his last appearance for us.
Some poor marks there, but I still think you've been generous to a number of our players
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 01, 2025, 08:06:16 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2025, 08:07:07 PM
Officials wrecked the game with that disallowed goal…disgusting decision
It was horrible i agree but we should ahve been 3 down at half time. The performance was not acceptable
We were poor but we weren’t 3 down at half time because their chances weren’t taken which happens….the officials made a dreadful decision that they had no right to get wrong…would have made a completely different game for last half hour
Post by: itbrvilla on February 01, 2025, 08:09:45 PM
You can have a checklist of nearly every away performance this season... the home team work hard, shut off the avenues and impose their gameplan on us...go one down to the first shot they have and then we look increasingly more inept.. halftime...a bit of juggling, better performance without barely laying a glove on them. Rinse and repeat.were not controlling anything until we're already a goal behind most of the time.
We're gonna finish about 9th/10th like this..We need something different for a lot of these aways...the controlling , measured approach has been counteracted by a lot of opposition now..Again, hardly any of the front 5 held it up or did anything meaningful... fatigue is a factor. I'd rather we had changed it and had Ramsey, Rogers to come on after their efforts midweek...Felt for Garcia and he probably would have benefited from coming off the bench too..all hindsight but think we all knew this would be a tight game with the Dog heads pressing us, especially in the first half as every ferker seems to do.
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 08:11:03 PM
Ok second half I guess after a frankly disgusting performance in the first half. 4 subs tells its own story. We can all quibble with the odd selection decision or sub but:
- without Cash we went through three different right backs today
- our best midfielder was at LCB and had a nightmare
- Tielemans a 10, playing at 6 again where he's a liability
- Watkins limping off unsurprisingly after 9 games in last month, no striker in reserve to come on
- likes of Rogers and Tielemans clearly fatigued
Monchi has not given Emery much of a chance here. I couldn't stand Carlos but playing 2 x PL games and1 x CL game with one fit centre back is ridiculous.
Martinez 6 - beaten too easily for the goal but stopped first half being a rout
Garcia 3 - crazy decision to start him in that back 4, lost
Konsa 2 - I'm not sure what has happened to turn him into one of the most dislikeable Villa players I can remember. A responsibility dodging pr*ck today starting with the first ball that came his way
Kamara 3 - nightmare first half exposed him out of position. At fault badly for first and nearly another
Digne 5 - far from the worst but Bellegarde caused a lot of problems
Bogarde 5 - utterly lost in first half but reasonable defensive shift in second at RB
Tielemans 5 - tidy with ball usually but a liability without it in that position.
McGinn 6 - at least played like it was a derby, getting stuck in but not much quality where it mattered
Rogers 4 - fatigue obviously and issue at this stage but ball retention was really weak today. Didn't seem up for the physical duels
Ramsey 1 - awful in just about everything he did. First touch needs huge work. Attitude all wrong.
Watkins 4 - struggling anyway with his hold up play and limping clearly for 5-10 mins before half time
Maatsen was decent enough I thought, Bailey started well, got kicked a few times and hid then, Onana is a dud, Malen isn't a 9 but few times he spun to left he looked decent. Ned was ok in likely his last appearance for us.
Some poor marks there, but I still think you've been generous to a number of our players
Which ones!
Just with derby games and Wolves fighting relegation we should be expecting a very physical battle first 20-30 mins. Match them for intensity and our quality will tell. Our experienced players started like they were still hungover from making heavy weather of beating an awful Celtic team earlier in the week. Unacceptable not being up for the battle.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 01, 2025, 08:13:24 PM
Bad as we were, we probably would have won had our perfectly legal goal been allowed.
This I agree with.
I thought our forward play second half was rather silky.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2025, 08:13:36 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 01, 2025, 08:14:16 PM
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:14:42 PM
Officials wrecked the game with that disallowed goal…disgusting decision
It was horrible i agree but we should ahve been 3 down at half time. The performance was not acceptable
We were poor but we weren’t 3 down at half time because their chances weren’t taken which happens….the officials made a dreadful decision that they had no right to get wrong…would have made a completely different game for last half hour
Yeah i know what your saying Gareth it could have changed it but i still think we probably would have lost. We were so bad in that first half. Honestly. 2nd we improved abit but still didnt do enough. I think sa made what one save?
Even after the disallowed goals there was zero urgency to score. We are passing balls sude to side, then back 50 times without getting anywhere thwir box. Then when it does eventually come in its either miles wide or a comfortable keeper catch. Its unbelievable.
You expect to struggle to create chances against thw better sides but ita fucking wolves! Onw of the shittest teams in the league. Not acceptable to lose 2-0 in any capacity
Post by: Small Rodent on February 01, 2025, 08:14:58 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Bobby boy bollocks
Post by: jon collett on February 01, 2025, 08:16:59 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
And him doing self promoting interviews advertising it makes it even worse. How on earth did he have enough time to sit in the stands this evening? Surely someone appraises his work?
Post by: Villan82 on February 01, 2025, 08:17:10 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 01, 2025, 08:18:29 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 01, 2025, 08:19:45 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:22:09 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 01, 2025, 08:22:27 PM
Ok second half I guess after a frankly disgusting performance in the first half. 4 subs tells its own story. We can all quibble with the odd selection decision or sub but:
- without Cash we went through three different right backs today
- our best midfielder was at LCB and had a nightmare
- Tielemans a 10, playing at 6 again where he's a liability
- Watkins limping off unsurprisingly after 9 games in last month, no striker in reserve to come on
- likes of Rogers and Tielemans clearly fatigued
Monchi has not given Emery much of a chance here. I couldn't stand Carlos but playing 2 x PL games and1 x CL game with one fit centre back is ridiculous.
Martinez 6 - beaten too easily for the goal but stopped first half being a rout
Garcia 3 - crazy decision to start him in that back 4, lost
Konsa 2 - I'm not sure what has happened to turn him into one of the most dislikeable Villa players I can remember. A responsibility dodging pr*ck today starting with the first ball that came his way
Kamara 3 - nightmare first half exposed him out of position. At fault badly for first and nearly another
Digne 5 - far from the worst but Bellegarde caused a lot of problems
Bogarde 5 - utterly lost in first half but reasonable defensive shift in second at RB
Tielemans 5 - tidy with ball usually but a liability without it in that position.
McGinn 6 - at least played like it was a derby, getting stuck in but not much quality where it mattered
Rogers 4 - fatigue obviously and issue at this stage but ball retention was really weak today. Didn't seem up for the physical duels
Ramsey 1 - awful in just about everything he did. First touch needs huge work. Attitude all wrong.
Watkins 4 - struggling anyway with his hold up play and limping clearly for 5-10 mins before half time
Maatsen was decent enough I thought, Bailey started well, got kicked a few times and hid then, Onana is a dud, Malen isn't a 9 but few times he spun to left he looked decent. Ned was ok in likely his last appearance for us.
Some poor marks there, but I still think you've been generous to a number of our players
Which ones!
Just with derby games and Wolves fighting relegation we should be expecting a very physical battle first 20-30 mins. Match them for intensity and our quality will tell. Our experienced players started like they were still hungover from making heavy weather of beating an awful Celtic team earlier in the week. Unacceptable not being up for the battle.
You may have misread. I think you have been generous to our players. I can't think of anyone who deserves more than a 3/10
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 08:28:05 PM
Emery gets a -1 .
I think he's written the league off and will go 100% at the ECL .
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:28:16 PM
Its pretty bad that modern footballers are struggling to do play two games in a week
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2025, 08:28:52 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2025, 08:28:54 PM
His one good season with us coincided with our high line and moving the ball quickly.
This slow build up is doing nobody any favours.
Post by: steamer on February 01, 2025, 08:29:02 PM
As bad as it gets and a perfect example of what happens when yet another transfer window is completely mismanaged, we played a second half without a recognized striker, some would say the whole game, if that wasn't a classic for bringing Duran on and him scoring I don't know what is.
You can't stop a player leaving but surely in the crazy state we are in we could have had some condition that allowed us to keep him until the end of the season, its very simple now, before this window closes we need to see 4 or 5 players in (obvious positions)
The other point to this, Emry said a few days ago that you can let a player go if its good for the player, good for the team and good for the club, well this certainly wasn't good for the team today and its a disaster for the club.
If you can get beat by Wolves we can get beat by anybody in the Premiership when the fizzy pop goes out the CL and we are looking at the reality of this season in the cold light of morning, the chickens are going to come home to roostYou can have a checklist of nearly every away performance this season... the home team work hard, shut off the avenues and impose their gameplan on us...go one down to the first shot they have and then we look increasingly more inept.. halftime...a bit of juggling, better performance without barely laying a glove on them. Rinse and repeat.agree with everything you say
We're gonna finish about 9th/10th like this..We need something different for a lot of these aways...the controlling , measured approach has been counteracted by a lot of opposition now..Again, hardly any of the front 5 held it up or did anything meaningful... fatigue is a factor. I'd rather we had changed it and had Ramsey, Rogers to come on after their efforts midweek...Felt for Garcia and he probably would have benefited from coming off the bench too..all hindsight but think we all knew this would be a tight game with the Dog heads pressing us, especially in the first half as every ferker seems to do.
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 08:30:24 PM
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Post by: Rudy65 on February 01, 2025, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 08:38:42 PM
What a load of shit that was. Special mention for Bailey, I’m not sure how much more I can take at this point. If I have to watch anymore of him slipping over constantly, going down injured under the slightest contact or trying a ridiculous trick when there is a simple pass available I’m going to end up putting my foot through the TV.The bloke is a fraud, got his big contract and downed tools . Bailey 2.0 is a horrendous player and a liability.
Post by: martyn ellis on February 01, 2025, 08:42:52 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 01, 2025, 08:43:59 PM
Wow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
Really?
Have you read some of the shite posted on here?
Please tell me who is to blame for endless poor performances!!
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Post by: KevinGage on February 01, 2025, 08:49:21 PM
What a load of shit that was. Special mention for Bailey, I’m not sure how much more I can take at this point. If I have to watch anymore of him slipping over constantly, going down injured under the slightest contact or trying a ridiculous trick when there is a simple pass available I’m going to end up putting my foot through the TV.
Aye.
I like him. But I'm not sure I want to see him starting or even coming off the bench for a while.
Post by: wince on February 01, 2025, 08:53:17 PM
Wow, how shit was that.Calm down. Last 16 of CL. Pissed off at result but that’s bit OTT.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 08:53:18 PM
I can find it in myself to be angry at both Monchi AND the referee. So I am!
Does anyone know why he wouldn't be sent to the monitor? I don't understand. I thought that is what happens with subjective offsides. If he'd had a look and still decided then fair enough.*
*Well, I'd have still disagreed.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 01, 2025, 08:55:10 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 08:55:55 PM
But that has utterly, utterly pissed me off.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 08:58:12 PM
Away, against a local rival with a depleted squad. A win would have been the more surprising result.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 09:04:44 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
God knows what this means. Strange post and zero relevance to the thread.
Post by: wolfman999 on February 01, 2025, 09:11:49 PM
That's VAR for you. There is no way on God's earth that it would be ruled out in a game where the officials come any sort of scrutiny.
Would such a decision be made say against Liverpool in front of the Kop? I think we know the answer to that one.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 01, 2025, 09:19:48 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
God knows what this means. Strange post and zero relevance to the thread.
It’s easy. You’ve left Villa Talk (I saw you on there a lot with the pervy busty lady as your pic) so you are an exile.
And we have so many posts from you being a Trump apologist.
The relevance to the thread is understanding whether your comments are worth anything.
Post by: Baldy on February 01, 2025, 09:21:01 PM
Combine this with a litany of recent injuries, a loss of form to some key players and no preparation time and it is no wonder we were crap today. We deserved to lose.
Unai paints a flustrated figure at the moment. There are some things outside of his control and this season has had more challenges than normal.
After 24 games we have a -3 goal difference in the Premier League, yet we qualify in the top 8 of the Champions League. Crazy stuff.
The sooner we get a settled and bigger squad the better.
Post by: MillerBall on February 01, 2025, 09:23:54 PM
Conference League next season. We are not set up for 3 games a week.
Tonight was a perfect example of toothless posession
Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2025, 09:27:08 PM
Wow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
We cant turn on unai. Its not his fault. Its monchi and vidagamys.
There his people. The ones he wanted the club to bring in. It's 1000% on Emery.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2025, 09:29:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 01, 2025, 09:29:21 PM
That's VAR for you. There is no way on God's earth that it would be ruled out in a game where the officials come any sort of scrutiny.
It was called off on the pitch. Take VAR out and it was still disallowed. My surprise was it was subjective, not definitive so unless the ref called it at the time in real-time, he should have been sent to the screen.
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 09:32:49 PM
Only a small thing but I thought to bring Garcia off was a waste of a sub.
Bogarde was a lot more solid at RB. Garcia looked lost but it was a poor decision to throw him into that mess next to that charlatan Konsa.
Post by: Taylor on February 01, 2025, 09:40:23 PM
The number of grammatical and mathematical errors in this post perfectly confirms the banality of its contentsWow, how shit was that.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Wow that last bit is up there with the biggest load of bollocks ever said on this site.
We cant turn on unai. Its not his fault. Its monchi and vidagamys.
There his people. The ones he wanted the club to bring in. It's 1000% on Emery.
Post by: The Edge on February 01, 2025, 09:43:40 PM
Players slipping every few minutes, serial fouling by the opposition (I counted 11 fouls in less than 20 minutes), another ludicrous VAR interference, Rogers virtually anonymous, losing Ollie, no Mings Torres Barclay Buendia Diego Carlos Duran (have I missed anyone); all contributed to nailed on disappointment.Well said. Common sense is a bit sparse on here tonight.
Post by: walsall villain on February 01, 2025, 09:49:51 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 10:01:07 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
God knows what this means. Strange post and zero relevance to the thread.
It’s easy. You’ve left Villa Talk (I saw you on there a lot with the pervy busty lady as your pic) so you are an exile.
And we have so many posts from you being a Trump apologist.
The relevance to the thread is understanding whether your comments are worth anything.
Glad your a fan of mine and seem to have wierd obsession with me. A rodent is a perfect name for you so do keep it.
Villatalk - pervy pic? Huh ? You are a strange little man one what so pervy about it? If i sneeze will you get offended?
This is a thread about post match and your talking about president trump. More strange behaviour from you. Your not having a good night little rodent.
Now back to villa. No one cares about this pointless childish stuff
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2025, 10:01:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:01:26 PM
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Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2025, 10:01:34 PM
Some way over the top comments on this thread. What did people reasonably expect at the start of the season? Our champions league campaign has bought us memories that will last for a long while. We are always having to struggle with balancing the books. My pre season prediction was to finish about 8th (as the CL demands are so great) and possibly qualify for the later stages of the champions league. Were some of you thinking we’d be top 4 and in the top 8 in Europe? Factor in the injuries and I think Unai has performed miracles yet again.
I don't expect us to make the same basic errors, repeatedly concede everytime the opposition has their first attack, slow the game down to the point where we pass and stand still, or conduct a transfer policy that leaves the squad wafer thin. I thought those days had gone when O'Neill left.
Emery has been brilliant for us, but we are allowed to criticise him when he screws up.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:07:56 PM
For context as we reflect on today’s win. We’ve still come a very long way.Shame our performances at Molineux in the same time period haven’t reflected this progress. Wolves all over us like a rash yet again.
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Post by: walsall villain on February 01, 2025, 10:16:56 PM
Conceding so early often from the first shot faced is so frustrating, linked to the way we play I’m sure. The transfer situation seems complex to me, can’t spend until we sell each time? A lot of juggling going on which we’d get away with if we were lucky with injuries. I just feel that Europe is the key. Newcastle did well in the league and finished top 4, dropped off whilst in CL and now back to those levels. We just can’t keep performing at the level we want with so many games, injuries and ridiculous spending rules. It didn’t help today that this was wolves ‘cup final’. If we get players back I’m expecting a good run when we have fewer games.Some way over the top comments on this thread. What did people reasonably expect at the start of the season? Our champions league campaign has bought us memories that will last for a long while. We are always having to struggle with balancing the books. My pre season prediction was to finish about 8th (as the CL demands are so great) and possibly qualify for the later stages of the champions league. Were some of you thinking we’d be top 4 and in the top 8 in Europe? Factor in the injuries and I think Unai has performed miracles yet again.
I don't expect us to make the same basic errors, repeatedly concede everytime the opposition has their first attack, slow the game down to the point where we pass and stand still, or conduct a transfer policy that leaves the squad wafer thin. I thought those days had gone when O'Neill left.
Emery has been brilliant for us, but we are allowed to criticise him when he screws up.
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2025, 10:16:56 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2025, 10:21:25 PM
I still can't quite work out how our goal was disallowed as Rogers made minimal contact with the defender and didn't impede him at all when he turned. I'm still not sure that he gave Rogers offside to start with as he surely couldn't have seen contact from where he was.
Not playing until next Sunday now, so hopefully we can regroup a bit.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 10:21:35 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 01, 2025, 10:25:51 PM
Villa gave me a headache.
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2025, 10:29:55 PM
However I’d rather take this, competing at this end of the league and playing in Europe over the shit we’ve had the last 15 years or so.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:39:18 PM
For context as we reflect on today’s win. We’ve still come a very long way.Shame our performances at Molineux in the same time period haven’t reflected this progress. Wolves all over us like a rash yet again.
(https://i.ibb.co/YT7s9SWY/IMG-5297.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YT7s9SWY)
Another year, another minging display at the Custard Bowl. That today was as bad as any in recent years, first half we were extremely lucky it wasn’t four or five, and whilst the second half saw an upturn in tempo we didn’t look like we’d score if we played all night. They must absolutely love playing us.
Only win I can remember there over last decade was the El Ghazi injury time pen, which was a shocking game in itself. Why are we always so fucking shit there?
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 10:51:22 PM
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2025, 10:56:01 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:04:08 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
?
Glad it wasn’t just me.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 11:04:50 PM
Hilarious, lads.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 11:05:29 PM
Post by: wince on February 01, 2025, 11:13:11 PM
Bugger.
Broken clock is right twice a day mate 😕
Post by: wince on February 01, 2025, 11:16:06 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
You ok mate? I’m hoping this is a typo not a reference to a horrible disease
Post by: TonyD on February 01, 2025, 11:20:02 PM
Just saying.
We ain’t getting better.
Getting worse.
Does he have 24 months of brilliance and run out of ideas?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2025, 11:21:04 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
You ok mate? I’m hoping this is a typo not a reference to a horrible disease
Also, needs to specify, Good Aids or Bad Aids?
Post by: LeonW on February 01, 2025, 11:24:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 11:25:35 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
He's a copper, he's just repeating what he heard from Wanky Wanderers around the ground.
You ok mate? I’m hoping this is a typo not a reference to a horrible disease
Post by: langleylions on February 01, 2025, 11:44:03 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2025, 11:44:06 PM
Post by: Paul.S on February 01, 2025, 11:47:30 PM
Maybe. It’s the curse of 2+ seasons under Unai?
Just saying.
We ain’t getting better.
Getting worse.
Does he have 24 months of brilliance and run out of ideas?
No
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2025, 11:49:25 PM
What a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
Post by: wince on February 01, 2025, 11:50:37 PM
Ref gave me aids
Villa gave me aids.
He's a copper, he's just repeating what he heard from Wanky Wanderers around the ground.
You ok mate? I’m hoping this is a typo not a reference to a horrible disease
Ah ok. They are a weird lot who won their cup final
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 01, 2025, 11:50:43 PM
The champions league run is masking the fact that we’re going backwards. Starting in 2024 onwards. The same themes, the same issues not being addressed leads to the same outcomes.
Being in and doing very well in the Champions League is an obvious sign that EVERYTHING is shit and going backwards.
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2025, 11:51:15 PM
What a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffsYou can always rely on somebody being smashed on here on a Saturday night.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2025, 11:51:16 PM
What a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
You really are an insufferable, border line illiterate bell-end.
If you don't like it so much, why don't you just fuck off and haunt some other site?
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2025, 11:51:43 PM
MotD analysed that game without mentioning the disallowed goal :-) PGMOLotDNor the clear stamp on Rogers. I know we were shit first half and probably deserved to be 2 or 3 down, however so many times this season we haven’t buried our chances and he’s been punished for it. We certainly lost out on Lady Luck with those two decisions today.
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2025, 11:53:05 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 01, 2025, 11:53:30 PM
The champions league run is masking the fact that we’re going backwards. Starting in 2024 onwards. The same themes, the same issues not being addressed leads to the same outcomes.
Being in and doing very well in the Champions League is an obvious sign that EVERYTHING is shit and going backwards.
But that’s not what I’m saying, is it
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2025, 11:55:41 PM
For the first time I saw Emery looking a little desperate. Had time to get over it, we are now putting square pegs into round holes, Kamara a top central defender being asked to play as a centre back, we lost the midfield with that one move. We have a depleted squad playing twice a week.
He is fucked because he's having to do exactly what you said - Kamara in the middle is vital for us. He's passable at best at CB, but we've no choice.
Throw in the massive load of so many games and his options get more and more reduced.
Post by: langleylions on February 02, 2025, 12:00:38 AM
I supose you are a teacher aint you ...wankers like you are part of the problem ...jWhat a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 12:01:36 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 12:01:43 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 12:01:54 AM
I supose you are a teacher aint you ...wankers like you are part of the problem ...jWhat a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
They're clearly part of your problem, you dribbling halfwit.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 12:02:37 AM
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2025, 12:03:37 AM
I supose you are a teacher aint you ...wankers like you are part of the problem ...jWhat a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
Yes, I am. It's his first (Christian) name, you utterly illiterate moron.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 12:04:23 AM
I supose you are a teacher aint you ...wankers like you are part of the problem ...jWhat a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
They're clearly part of your problem, you dribbling halfwit.
Ooh look at you with your apostrophe. I bet you read books. VERMIN.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 02, 2025, 12:05:23 AM
What a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
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I’m not going to call people clowns but I get what you’re saying. I want Unai there for 10 years. I still totally feel we’re going in the right direction. Ron Saunders’ Villa drifted a little for a few seasons (7th or 8th I think) after the season finishing 4th, winning a league cup and playing scintillating football. In today’s game he may just have got the push before he did waht he ultimately did.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 12:05:45 AM
I supose you are a teacher aint you ...wankers like you are part of the problem ...jWhat a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
It's Unai.
They're clearly part of your problem, you dribbling halfwit.
Ooh look at you with your apostrophe. I bet you read books. VERMIN.
Ooooh, look, we got ourselves a reader.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 12:06:25 AM
I’m not going to call people clowns but I get what you’re saying. I want Unai there for 10 years. I still totally feel we’re going in the right direction. Ron Saunders’ Villa drifted a little for a few seasons (7th or 8th I think) after the season finishing 4th, winning a league cup and playing scintillating football. In today’s game he may just have got the push before he did waht he ultimately did.
Yes, yes, because this thread is FULL of people wanting Emery sacked.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 02, 2025, 12:09:30 AM
I’m not going to call people clowns but I get what you’re saying. I want Unai there for 10 years. I still totally feel we’re going in the right direction. Ron Saunders’ Villa drifted a little for a few seasons (7th or 8th I think) after the season finishing 4th, winning a league cup and playing scintillating football. In today’s game he may just have got the push before he did waht he ultimately did.
Yes, yes, because this thread is FULL of people wanting Emery sacked.
Has there been a single one? Not even the biggest moaners have gone there yet.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 02, 2025, 12:10:02 AM
It's almost like, and I know this is a shock to people like LL, there are more than the two positions of wanting him sacked or tickling his balls at every opportunity.
Post by: HolteL4 on February 02, 2025, 12:11:48 AM
We are more solid with Mings.
We're not though are we, doesn't matter who plays in defence we still give away stupid goals. It's clear now that we don't work on defence in training, we could have the best defender there is but wouldn't make a difference. Our tactics are the same as the Vindaloo song score one more than you, good job Watkins doesn't take 5 chances to score 1 and we haven't just sold a striker that can score with just 1 shot.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 12:12:42 AM
It's almost like, and I know this is a shock to people like LL, there are more than the two positions of wanting him sacked or tickling his balls at every opportunity.
It's a bit like my Mrs.
She does my fucking head in, won't leave me alone when she really needs to, doesn't understand football and spends far too much time moaning.
Does that mean I want to bludgeon her, wrap her up in some old carpet and toss her lifeless corpse into the cut?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 02, 2025, 12:13:43 AM
It's almost like, and I know this is a shock to people like LL, there are more than the two positions of wanting him sacked or tickling his balls at every opportunity.
It's a bit like my Mrs.
She does my fucking head in, won't leave me alone when she really needs to, doesn't understand football and spends far too much time moaning.
Does that mean I want to bludgeon her, wrap her up in some old carpet and toss her lifeless corpse into the cut?Yes, yes, yes it does.No, of course not.
Hahaha.
Post by: HolteL4 on February 02, 2025, 12:14:56 AM
Fully deserved. We were woeful.
As we typically are away and post Europe.
A few thoughts:
- The decision to sell our back-up centre half and not have a replacement ready was reckless and stupid and has cost us.
- Our “controlled” approach just does not work, particularly away from home. We’ve done this so many times now - Unai learn the lesson please. We have to play with more dynamism.
- We too often look like we don’t have an attacking plan, and play like individuals.
- Malan at least look promising and tried to inject some urgency.
Crap again, as it has been too often in the league this year. Not good enough.
Awww bless their cotton socks, after playing against Celtic did the huge distance of 45 minutes up the fucking road to Wolverhampton tire them out.
Post by: The Edge on February 02, 2025, 12:33:39 AM
Post by: wince on February 02, 2025, 01:02:48 AM
I normally come on H&V for some balanced opinions and decent banter. We've had the Rashford thread with some crazy opinions on what is a low risk loan which potentially could be a great move and now this completely over the top post match thread. I'm guessing alcohol has a lot to do with some of the comments but jesus wept H&V'ers get a fucking grip!
This. What’s wrong with everyone? It’s wolves, we never win there anyway, it’s pissed me off but I’m over it now. Come on here for some light relief but its like fucking Stalingrad tonight.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 02, 2025, 01:16:24 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on February 02, 2025, 01:30:08 AM
There was no need for it from me at all.
Post by: Rory on February 02, 2025, 01:34:42 AM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 02, 2025, 01:49:10 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 02, 2025, 01:50:26 AM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 02:12:32 AM
If we end up with Rashford up front and Kamara at centre back then Monchi can go fuck himself the donkey.
In the unlikely event that happens, you might be able to offer him some advice.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 02:19:51 AM
If we end up with Rashford up front and Kamara at centre back then Monchi can go fuck himself the donkey.
In the unlikely event that happens, you might be able to offer him some advice.
I'll keep it simple for him. Rule 1, don't sign a player who has been horribly out of form for years with attitude problems.
Rule 2. Don't leave yourself short in key positions. Get your replacement ready before you sell someone. We've had Kamara and Digne at centre back so far. Wolves had more 1 on 1's today that I've seen in my life in one game.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 02, 2025, 02:36:20 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 03:01:30 AM
Post by: remy on February 02, 2025, 03:12:42 AM
Get a bloody grip some of you.
We’ve conceded in many games first with full fit defenders. Was that going to change miraculously with a 21 year old debutant and midfielder at CB in our back 4?!
Bailey has regressed -injury or confidence or coasting - weakened the team. Albeit his been a bit better last few but overall shite over 20. After Morgs heroics - they crowded him out, give him time and space and he’ll rip them a new one….just ask Celtic.
Carlos turned round and said I don’t wish to play for avfc anymore - what the fuck you supposed to do with that - bounced out the door thank you very much !
Kamara the Rolls Royce being nullified from his natural position because of Mings injury - SUE made a call, what’s your solution tactical geniuses?!
Ollie (finally) going off injured - bound to happen at the worst possible time of course - this is avfc remember.
Never seen SUE make 4 changes in one go - in my opinion he rolled an exasperated driven dice or simply replaced the ones out of puff. Theres a first for everything.
As disappointing as it was to lose, it’s one league match whereas a defeat on weds in the CL would been devastating.
I knew we’d lose, I still made it a family event because of the glorious time to be a Villa fan and made a bit more decent fist of it 2nd half, hey ho, regroup, couple more new players in and boost the ol’ goal difference v Trotters.
Up My Villa !
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 07:11:39 AM
Sorry Demitri for being an arse to you earlier in the thread.
There was no need for it from me at all.
Hi mate.
No worries, i also apologise for my comments. We all let our emotions take over at times. No hard feelings on my side. We are all villa fans at end of day and want to see our club do well.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 07:14:06 AM
What a bunch of clowns you lot are moaning about everything....you all obviously cant wait for UNI to get the sack and have some wanker like gerrard or bruce back ffs
You called the community the c word in a seperate thread and i politely asked you not to do that? And now your back posting this bullshit calling people names. If you cant play nice just get lost.
Post by: Allan C on February 02, 2025, 08:36:31 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:40:12 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 02, 2025, 08:41:58 AM
Post by: manic-road on February 02, 2025, 08:53:59 AM
Think that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 02, 2025, 08:55:17 AM
Regardless, progressing in a cup competition represents challenging for a European spot in itself.
Post by: KevinGage on February 02, 2025, 09:03:18 AM
I still can't quite work out how our goal was disallowed as Rogers made minimal contact with the defender and didn't impede him at all when he turned. I'm still not sure that he gave Rogers offside to start with as he surely couldn't have seen contact from where he was.
Twat no 2 on the field gave offside, so Twat no 3 VAR ex pert Matt Donohue had to contort the rules of interfering with play to find Rogers offside, even though the linesman wasn't initially flagging for that.
They should honestly all be fed to the facking pigs at this stage.
I'm not a massive fan of rugby. But it looks like the TMO/ third umpire in most of the games there is watching the same match we are. Perhaps parachute in some of those lads, if they're even vaguely familiar with football.
The ones currently charged with making the right call aren't up to snuff.
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 09:07:14 AM
Post by: nick harper on February 02, 2025, 09:09:47 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 02, 2025, 09:17:14 AM
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 09:20:22 AM
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position, in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.
One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.
All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.
If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?
Post by: rob_bridge on February 02, 2025, 09:21:49 AM
If they get beat in the 2ng leg Postecoglu might not be their manager when we play them. Either way, they will be at full strength.
Beat v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and it's his 2nd last chance saloon so will be at full strength
Get beat v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and it's his last chance saloon so will be at full strength
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: Richard on February 02, 2025, 09:25:38 AM
If they get beat in the 2ng leg Postecoglu might not be their manager when we play them. Either way, they will be at full strength.
Beat v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and it's his 2nd last chance saloon so will be at full strength
Get beat v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and it's his last chance saloon so will be at full strength
Either way they play twice now before we play them so I'm hoping that works in our favour.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 09:38:53 AM
We have 'control' and possession but don't really create chances and poor defending gives up plenty of chances against despite the opposition rarely having the ball. When Rogers is off song, we don't offer a lot going forward.
Post by: wince on February 02, 2025, 09:46:11 AM
Post by: Beard82 on February 02, 2025, 09:46:42 AM
A performance that really encapsulates much of the season, particularly against the sides in bottom half.Thats the problem with Ramsey being out for most of the season and Bailey being so bad with no other options.
We have 'control' and possession but don't really create chances and poor defending gives up plenty of chances against despite the opposition rarely having the ball. When Rogers is off song, we don't offer a lot going forward.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 09:59:49 AM
Swinkels / BogardeThink that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 10:11:40 AM
Swinkels / BogardeThink that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Bit if a commute from Bristol for Swinkles.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:15:18 AM
Oh didn't realise he'd goneSwinkels / BogardeThink that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Bit if a commute from Bristol for Swinkles.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 10:15:42 AM
Swinkels / BogardeThink that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Bit if a commute from Bristol for Swinkles.
He was on our bench yesterday.
Post by: brontebilly on February 02, 2025, 10:17:44 AM
Think that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Olsen wouldn't be any worse at the moment.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2025, 10:18:34 AM
Man Citeh goalkeeper coach.Think that might happen Allan , the likes of Martinez Konsa Rogers all need a rest . Then players like Onana McGinn don't need a rest so they can play
Rest Konsa, what two centre halves would you play?
Olsen wouldn't be any worse at the moment.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 11:16:21 AM
I’m happy we are all better today. We may not all agree with each other and I know passions run high but we are all villa fans at the end of the day. Yesterday was disappointing but we will get better.agree mate. We are all just frustrated how things are going. But when we look back after we calm ourselves down we have come a long way in last 5 years.
At least we are no longer fighting relegation. Unai is victim of his own success. Some players are badly letting him down
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 11:26:52 AM
Post by: Rico on February 02, 2025, 11:27:26 AM
Another thing that is really getting my goat right now is Konsa getting caught in possession and falling over on the ball and picking the ball up. He's doing it every game now. Refs are going to catch on the this sooner or later and a booking will be coming his way.
Post by: The Edge on February 02, 2025, 11:37:11 AM
Post by: malckennedy on February 02, 2025, 11:39:06 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 11:40:09 AM
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position, in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.
One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.
All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.
If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?
Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?
It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who they have flagged offside. That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else. If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2025, 11:44:02 AM
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position, in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.
One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.
All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.
If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?
Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?
It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who he has flagged offside. That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else. If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.
Isn't it just the same as standing infront of keeper from corner and blocking his view as header comes in. If you're stopping an opposition player from doing something then you're deemed offside now.
Annoying as I very much doubt Semedo was getting across in time to block the McGinn cross regardless, he was pointing at the wall when we first played it.
That said we were so terrible in first half we should've been 3-0 down so the ref yesterday didn't annoy me as the one last week refusing to send off Alvarez or the Forest one who wasn't even giving us obvious free kicks at the end.
Looked a clear foul on Rogers before their second aswell.
Post by: DB on February 02, 2025, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 11:54:23 AM
Watching Villa away from home is like we've gone back in time to Lambert's idiotic sideways and backwards passing across our own penalty area. We had a goal kick that we spent about a minute passing sideways from one edge of the penalty area to another, only to lose possession just outside the box. I appreciate Emery's style of football is all about possession, but we've been rumbled now! Even if Emi took a traditional goal kick and we lost possession in the opposition's half it wouldn't be as dangerous as losing possession outside our own penalty area? We just don't have the players at the moment who are capable of keeping possession in midfield and springing the trap.
Another thing that is really getting my goat right now is Konsa getting caught in possession and falling over on the ball and picking the ball up. He's doing it every game now. Refs are going to catch on the this sooner or later and a booking will be coming his way.
I just can't help but feel that we're just a bit soft and weak and that gets exposed away from home. There are a few exceptions of course, but on the whole they don't seem the most resilient bunch and when things aren't going their way, they seem to collectively go to pieces a bit.
I'd say Martinez, Mings, Kamara, McGinn and Watkins are probably the exceptions, but the others just seem to come apart a bit when things aren't going well and you can see it in their body language as well.
There have been a number of games this season, where just too many players have been poor for us and continually coughed up possession far too easily.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:05:38 PM
It was a shambles. Not just that, that delay with thw subs was just pure embarrassment
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 12:16:33 PM
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position, in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.
One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.
All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.
If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?
Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?
It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who he has flagged offside. That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else. If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.
Isn't it just the same as standing infront of keeper from corner and blocking his view as header comes in. If you're stopping an opposition player from doing something then you're deemed offside now.
Annoying as I very much doubt Semedo was getting across in time to block the McGinn cross regardless, he was pointing at the wall when we first played it.
If that is the case, then surely you have ascertain whether a foul has actually been committed or not? Given the kind of blocking and wrestling that goes on at corners, then it would be difficult to argue there was a foul there.
Anyway, it's done now but frustrating as I think we would have got something from the game had that goal stood.
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 02, 2025, 12:18:33 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on February 02, 2025, 12:20:45 PM
Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.
I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 12:25:25 PM
It was offside. Rogers doesn't need to have committed a foul to become active. He just needs to have impacted Semedo's ability to get near the ball.
Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.
I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee
You're not fooling anyone with that user name mate ;)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 02, 2025, 12:31:18 PM
Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense. Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you.yeah and champions league , youre having a laugh .
oh didnt realise we had finished top 8 into the last 16.
twats
Id understand if it was corrupt city or Real Madrid
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:41:23 PM
It was offside. Rogers doesn't need to have committed a foul to become active. He just needs to have impacted Semedo's ability to get near the ball.
Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.
I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee
Your the only person who has said its offside. No pundit has that the decision was the right call
Post by: Villa Lew on February 02, 2025, 01:10:40 PM
Re the disallowed goal, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, I've heard talk of corruption mention, which is absolute nonsense, it was incompetence and nothing else.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 02, 2025, 01:33:00 PM
A very poor performance, if Wolves knew how to finish, they would have been out of sight at half. An improvement in the 2nd half, but we created very few chances.Some are saying because he impeded the Wolves defender, slight touching, it's offside but then you see players doing all in wrestling in the penalty area and nothing done about it
Re the disallowed goal, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, I've heard talk of corruption mention, which is absolute nonsense, it was incompetence and nothing else.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 02, 2025, 01:33:53 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 02, 2025, 02:01:53 PM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 02, 2025, 02:07:45 PM
Mallen had a couple of sniffs when he came on but not sure he's a striker or winger yet.
I'd go back to having Digne in central defence and Kamera in midfield. Or Onana, he won't have to run as much then.
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 02:18:08 PM
Post by: dalians umbrella on February 02, 2025, 02:34:15 PM
When your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
God knows what this means. Strange post and zero relevance to the thread.
It’s easy. You’ve left Villa Talk (I saw you on there a lot with the pervy busty lady as your pic) so you are an exile.
And we have so many posts from you being a Trump apologist.
The relevance to the thread is understanding whether your comments are worth anything.
Glad your a fan of mine and seem to have wierd obsession with me. A rodent is a perfect name for you so do keep it.
Villatalk - pervy pic? Huh ? You are a strange little man one what so pervy about it? If i sneeze will you get offended?
This is a thread about post match and your talking about president trump. More strange behaviour from you. Your not having a good night little rodent.
Now back to villa. No one cares about this pointless childish stuff
Purely on the busty lady avatar and not getting involved in any of the other arguments...
I was once on Villa Talk when my wife walked in and saw your Avatar and I had to spend the next few minutes convincing her that I wasn't chatting up said busty woman on the internet.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 02:36:32 PM
HahahahhaahaWhen your own people sabotage the team then you are going to struggle.
A shocking indictment of Monchi was shown under the Molineux lights tonight.
Two days of the transfer window left with opposition clubs knowing we are desperate so can inflate transfer fees accordingly.
Utterly ridiculous, self-inflicted wounds.
Can't disagree. This is the angriest I have been in two and a half years.
Its horrible feeling mate. Sad thing is this could have e been avoided
Ha ha! From the give Trump a chance Villa Talk exile!!!
God knows what this means. Strange post and zero relevance to the thread.
It’s easy. You’ve left Villa Talk (I saw you on there a lot with the pervy busty lady as your pic) so you are an exile.
And we have so many posts from you being a Trump apologist.
The relevance to the thread is understanding whether your comments are worth anything.
Glad your a fan of mine and seem to have wierd obsession with me. A rodent is a perfect name for you so do keep it.
Villatalk - pervy pic? Huh ? You are a strange little man one what so pervy about it? If i sneeze will you get offended?
This is a thread about post match and your talking about president trump. More strange behaviour from you. Your not having a good night little rodent.
Now back to villa. No one cares about this pointless childish stuff
Purely on the busty lady avatar and not getting involved in any of the other arguments...
I was once on Villa Talk when my wife walked in and saw your Avatar and I had to spend the next few minutes convincing her that I wasn't chatting up said busty woman on the internet.
Post by: Allan C on February 02, 2025, 02:46:41 PM
Nah,Spuds will go full tilt and I don't want a weakened Villa .You can’t have it both ways. You can see that the squad is running on empty at the moment and the injuries have crippled us. Whether we like it or not the club will have priority list and I’m willing to bet that the FA Cup is definitely the bottom.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 02, 2025, 02:49:47 PM
Wolves wanted it more than us and were hungrier and more physical. We struggle with physical opponents. Onana at kick off would have helped with this.
Playing Garcia and Bogarde in our right side didn’t work, though Bogarde was better second half and Garcia showed some signs for optimism going forward.
Wolves let Konsa have possession as he can’t hurt teams. As soon as Tielemans and McGinn had the ball they pressed. There are increasingly moments in games where Konsa has the ball for 5 seconds and eventually plays the obvious pass he could have played immediately
We don’t have anybody up front who can play with their back to goal and hold the ball up. When teams press us we often play a hopeful punt to Ollie who is frequently outmuscled. Long balls down the channels work for him as he is better going forward, playing to his strengths. iIRC we lost the first goal when he lost the ball around the halfway line.
Our most frequent threat recently comes from Roger’s, who was frequently double marked yesterday. That should leave space elsewhere but we rarely looked finding that space yesterday.
We are mentally weak. When the going gets tough away from home I don’t see any obvious leaders.
We need to commit better tactical fouls. We should have stopped a couple of their breaks before they had really developed. McGinn took an early yellow for a foul when their defender was going nowhere - a waste of a yellow card.
Positivity - we were better in the second half, Maatsen showed some promise before Wolves tightened up and the 4 subs at half time at least showed a desire to change things, unlike some previous managers.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 03:04:58 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on February 02, 2025, 03:33:09 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on February 02, 2025, 03:34:29 PM
the first goal is watkins not holding the ball up. it bouces off his shin 20 yards. The 2nd Rogers goes down looking for the foul. he should of either grabbed the ball with his hands like mings at west ham or fouled the player to break up play. There were 3 around Cuhna when he buried it, we should have mopped up the danger.
Mallen had a couple of sniffs when he came on but not sure he's a striker or winger yet.
I'd go back to having Digne in central defence and Kamera in midfield. Or Onana, he won't have to run as much then.
Post by: baddowvillans on February 02, 2025, 03:37:30 PM
the first goal is watkins not holding the ball up. it bouces off his shin 20 yards. The 2nd Rogers goes down looking for the foul. he should of either grabbed the ballthe first goal is watkins not holding the ball up. it bouces off his shin 20 yards. The 2nd Rogers goes down looking for the foul. he should of either grabbed the ball with his hands like mings at west ham or fouled the player to break up play. There were 3 around Cuhna when he buried it, we should have mopped up the danger.
Mallen had a couple of sniffs when he came on but not sure he's a striker or winger yet.
I'd go back to having Digne in central defence and Kamera in midfield. Or Onana, he won't have to run as much then.
Ah Watkins fault yes of course he is responsible for everything wrong in the eyes of some!
You don't think that Emi should have done better then
Post by: darren woolley on February 02, 2025, 04:57:06 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 02, 2025, 05:08:08 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on February 02, 2025, 05:24:33 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 02, 2025, 05:37:00 PM
Not going to bleat on about it as the defence is at breaking point, but we really need to start shutting up shop when we start to get players back.
Defence aside - Thought the midfield was suspect yesterday. Tielemans in particular, not a good performance at all.
And Leon Bailey - I think he's done now. Lost count the amount of times I've stuck up for him saying 'He'll come good'.... We've had one good season out of 2 and half seasons. It's just not going to work.... and what the hell is wrong with his boots/balance. I've never known a player slip has much as he has recently - Is he wearing slippers or something??
No need to shit the bed guys - Still in touching distance of the Top 4, and we're straight into a winnable game in the Last 16 of the Champions League. Fairly light February with a string of home games between now and Palace away at the end of the month, so let's see where we are come March.
Some times it's best to take stock and remember where we were and who was in charge just over 2 years ago. There are bound to be bumps in the road - Be careful what you wish for!
UTV
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 02, 2025, 05:38:15 PM
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on February 02, 2025, 07:19:16 PM
Wow, how shit was that.He does seem to only know how to play one way, this predictable playing out from the back nonsense.
Sold far too many players, threadbare at the moment.
I’m sorry but I really don’t think Emery is all that!!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2025, 07:35:00 PM
Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense. Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you.
You think that's embarrassing, try this: Vitor Pereira: “I play in my career a lot of derbies, big derbies and every time when I go to a country they say to me ‘this is the most incredible derby in the world’,” said the Wolves manager, upon asked about the prospect of facing Aston Villa. “Of course I understand. It’s important for us to play with our supporters. I hope we get a good result and hope that we can make proud our supporters.”
EDIT: When the fixtures come out I have to say Wolves aren't on my list of need to know dates, home or away first etc probably because whenever they're mentioned, I'm never quite sure which division they're in.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 02, 2025, 07:57:26 PM
Personally i think Coventry is a bigger derby, which says it all really.Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense. Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you.
You think that's embarrassing, try this: Vitor Pereira: “I play in my career a lot of derbies, big derbies and every time when I go to a country they say to me ‘this is the most incredible derby in the world’,” said the Wolves manager, upon asked about the prospect of facing Aston Villa. “Of course I understand. It’s important for us to play with our supporters. I hope we get a good result and hope that we can make proud our supporters.”
EDIT: When the fixtures come out I have to say Wolves aren't on my list of need to know dates, home or away first etc probably because whenever they're mentioned, I'm never quite sure which division they're in.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 07:58:38 PM
Post by: danno on February 02, 2025, 08:03:03 PM
Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense. Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you.
You think that's embarrassing, try this: Vitor Pereira: “I play in my career a lot of derbies, big derbies and every time when I go to a country they say to me ‘this is the most incredible derby in the world’,” said the Wolves manager, upon asked about the prospect of facing Aston Villa. “Of course I understand. It’s important for us to play with our supporters. I hope we get a good result and hope that we can make proud our supporters.”
EDIT: When the fixtures come out I have to say Wolves aren't on my list of need to know dates, home or away first etc probably because whenever they're mentioned, I'm never quite sure which division they're in.
Doesn’t he mean that every club’s supporters tell him that to them, their clubs derby is the biggest in the world?
That’s how I read that anyway.
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 08:04:40 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:14:29 PM
There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 08:21:17 PM
There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 08:23:31 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:23:56 PM
West Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 08:25:18 PM
West Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
I can agree with that although personally I hate Coventry and will never forget 1987 - awful!
Post by: tony scott on February 02, 2025, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:27:11 PM
Wasn't that the billy McNeill away game we won 1-0 . Can't remember the home gameWest Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
I can agree with that although personally I hate Coventry and will never forget 1987 - awful!
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 08:30:49 PM
Wasn't that the billy McNeill away game we won 1-0 . Can't remember the home gameWest Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
I can agree with that although personally I hate Coventry and will never forget 1987 - awful!
It was with a blatantly offside goal by Garry Thompson and we actually did the double that year. But they won the FA Cup and we were relegated and I was at school in C*v. Only redeemed when we sent them down at Villa Park!
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:35:24 PM
Ah right cheers I was at Highfield Rd behind the goal when Bruno nodded that in, was also at villa park when we sent them down last day of the season, that was a B6 great classic day .Wasn't that the billy McNeill away game we won 1-0 . Can't remember the home gameWest Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
I can agree with that although personally I hate Coventry and will never forget 1987 - awful!
It was with a blatantly offside goal by Garry Thompson and we actually did the double that year. But they won the FA Cup and we were relegated and I was at school in C*v. Only redeemed when we sent them down at Villa Park!
Post by: Louzie0 on February 02, 2025, 08:44:27 PM
Having read this thread through, just bear in mind that they are all just opinions. You may agree or disagree with them and some may be downright ridiculous but rather than abuse the person making the opinion, come back with a counter argument. For me I’m at the same position I was after the West Ham game. There’s a long way to go yet and we’re 8th and close enough to challenge for top 4. Yesterday was just awful but clearly injuries and fatigue have caught us up. It may be unpopular with some but I’d rest all of the current first team next week in the Cup. We need to be challenging for a European spot again next season.
That’s a bit radical and I like it. We have new signings. Baptism of 💥
Post by: Nev on February 02, 2025, 09:25:47 PM
Our traditional one is Sangwell but we played them at all sorts of times. But the Rags? Different matter. After the 2003 shit, it's 12 noon all the way.
Post by: Martyn Smith on February 03, 2025, 01:47:09 AM
Ah right cheers I was at Highfield Rd behind the goal when Bruno nodded that in, was also at villa park when we sent them down last day of the season, that was a B6 great classic day .Wasn't that the billy McNeill away game we won 1-0 . Can't remember the home gameWest Brom is the true Derby , then small Heath . Wolves is ahead of Coventry though granted even though it's further away .There’s certainly a lot more history and pedigree to playing Wolves than there is the Blues!But they aren't local like smethwick and small Heath
A lot of Villa support there as there is all over the midlands. Wolves were fellow founders and we traditionally played them Xmas Day and Boxing Day.
Blues was only hyped as a Derby by the Evening Mail in the 60s. Most years Villa and Blues have been in different divisions a la Walsall!
I can agree with that although personally I hate Coventry and will never forget 1987 - awful!
It was with a blatantly offside goal by Garry Thompson and we actually did the double that year. But they won the FA Cup and we were relegated and I was at school in C*v. Only redeemed when we sent them down at Villa Park!
A Denis Law moment I'm afraid. Just like Man U were down regardless of his goal against them in '74, Cov were actually down regardless of what happened at VP
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 01:50:58 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/1310324.stm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 02:43:30 AM
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:16:03 AM
Not correct. They would have gone down regardless, but their relegation was confirmed by the combination of losing at Villa Park and other results.m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/1310324.stm
I never agree with this take. It’s the one used by C*v supporters. (And same for Law one). Fact was before the game Cov had to win to stay up and hope the Derby result went their way. By not winning - and the match at Villa finished first - they were down!
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:16:38 AM
Even if they'd won 3-0 at VP they'd have needed a 20 odd goal swing on the final day. But it's more fun to say we relegated them.
That’s not true. At half time they thought were staying up!. There were two games left
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 10:20:14 AM
They had a chance of staying up, but they had to win and hope other results went their way, it wasn't in their own hands.
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:22:23 AM
Yeah, but the way those results finished meant that even if they had won they'd have gone down.
They had a chance of staying up, but they had to win and hope other results went their way, it wasn't in their own hands.
So once they didn’t win they were down. Same as the Manchester United one people try to demyth
That’s why the goals so significant at the time.
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:24:39 AM
Even if they'd won 3-0 at VP they'd have needed a 20 odd goal swing on the final day. But it's more fun to say we relegated them.
That’s not true. At half time they thought they were staying up! There were two games left.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:25:33 AM
Anyway I’ve expressed why I do think we relegated them and also why Law goal did send Manchester United down IMO
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:26:23 AM
Derby were winning at half-time. So they were not safe then when 2-0 up.
They weee drawing and it was the penultimate game.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 03, 2025, 10:30:22 AM
21 miles apart isn't a local derby unless you're desperate for it.
Much less than 21 miles between Villa and Wolves ? I know the commentator on Saturday said that but he’s wrong, surely? Wolves is much closer than Cov’s ground! It’s not our derby, admittedly, but it definitely means a lot to a lot of Villa fans.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:35:41 AM
In my experience its the Black Country Villa fans it naturally means anything to, for the rest of us, not so much.
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 10:36:10 AM
21 miles apart isn't a local derby unless you're desperate for it.
Much less than 21 miles between Villa and Wolves ? I know the commentator on Saturday said that but he’s wrong, surely? Wolves is much closer than Cov’s ground! It’s not our derby, admittedly, but it definitely means a lot to a lot of Villa fans.
16 miles Wolves and 20 miles Cov
Both reasonably close and with huge Villa support around both areas which is the main reason both dislike us so much!
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 10:50:13 AM
21 miles apart isn't a local derby unless you're desperate for it.
Much less than 21 miles between Villa and Wolves ? I know the commentator on Saturday said that but he’s wrong, surely? Wolves is much closer than Cov’s ground! It’s not our derby, admittedly, but it definitely means a lot to a lot of Villa fans.
Not sure about the mileage, but Villa, Blues, Baggies, Wolves and Walsall are all pretty much part of the same conurbation. Coventry is a separate thing. Wolves is much more of a derby than Cov.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:53:10 AM
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 11:00:46 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 11:33:29 AM
Derby were winning at half-time. So they were not safe then when 2-0 up.
They weee drawing and it was the penultimate game.
I edited
Christie had actually scored in the 35th minute. If anything it was Boro who were still catchable on 38 at half time and 39 at full time with Cov on 37 at HT. So yes, we did stop them from trying to escape relegation by winning, although ultimately we wouldn't have made the difference.
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 11:49:02 AM
Derby were winning at half-time. So they were not safe then when 2-0 up.
They weee drawing and it was the penultimate game.
I edited
Christie had actually scored in the 35th minute. If anything it was Boro who were still catchable on 38 at half time and 39 at full time with Cov on 37 at HT. So yes, we did stop them from trying to escape relegation by winning, although ultimately we wouldn't have made the difference.
The point was when the final whistle went at Villa Park they were relegated. Even Strachan acknowledged that!
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 11:49:47 AM
Post by: Nev on February 03, 2025, 11:50:52 AM
I think that is half the problem. Wolves treat it like a local derby and we never do.
I went back in time a couple of seasons ago and was quite taken back with the ferocity of their fans towards us, women and children alike. I nearly put my back out shrugging my shoulders.
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 12:04:19 PM
Derby were winning at half-time. So they were not safe then when 2-0 up.
They weee drawing and it was the penultimate game.
I edited
Christie had actually scored in the 35th minute. If anything it was Boro who were still catchable on 38 at half time and 39 at full time with Cov on 37 at HT. So yes, we did stop them from trying to escape relegation by winning, although ultimately we wouldn't have made the difference.
The point was when the final whistle went at Villa Park they were relegated. Even Strachan acknowledged that!
Yeah it was nice and neat, no technically-this-or-that, it was over.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 02:38:32 PM
https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/05-may-2001/
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 02:57:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 03:03:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:08:53 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 03:16:00 PM
Life's too short. Crack on if you think a 22 GD had any chance of being wiped out.
I sometime think people argue on here just for something to do!
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:16:57 PM
If Liverpool are three points clear with a game to go and a goal difference 22 better than the team in second place, they still wouldn't be awarded the trophy, because they wouldn't have won the league yet. Coventry wouldn't have had an (R) next to their name in the table if they'd won at Villa Park, until the week after. Because they wouldn't have been relegated yet.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 03, 2025, 03:19:51 PM
I don't. I do think they were relegated at Villa Park, because they were.I agree and more importantly i got very drunk after attending that match, on the basis we’d regelated them and now does not feel like the right time to start doubting my own personal history and motivations
If Liverpool are three points clear with a game to go and a goal difference 22 better than the team in second place, they still wouldn't be awarded the trophy, because they wouldn't have won the league yet. Coventry wouldn't have had an (R) next to their name in the table if they'd won at Villa Park, until the week after. Because they wouldn't have been relegated yet.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 03, 2025, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 03:20:02 PM
I don't. I do think they were relegated at Villa Park, because they were.
If Liverpool are three points clear with a game to go and a goal difference 22 better than the team in second place, they still wouldn't be awarded the trophy, because they wouldn't have won the league yet. Coventry wouldn't have had an (R) next to their name in the table if they'd won at Villa Park, until the week after. Because they wouldn't have been relegated yet.
And the exact moment they were relegated was when the final whistle blew at Villa Park (because they had to win to have any chance of staying up and they were still playing at Okd Trafford) which is why I said Villa sent them down and this absolutely pointless argument followed
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 03:21:58 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:23:41 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 03:28:26 PM
I still think our goal should've stood, and that it's pretty obvious that they ruled out the goal because they thought Digne or (more likely) Malen offside, and upon finding that they were wrong cast about for something to cover their arses with, however flimsy. Lovely system we've got going.
Not the first time that's happened to us, and I'm struggling to think of another club where it has.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 03:38:19 PM
I still think our goal should've stood, and that it's pretty obvious that they ruled out the goal because they thought Digne or (more likely) Malen offside, and upon finding that they were wrong cast about for something to cover their arses with, however flimsy. Lovely system we've got going.
Not the first time that's happened to us, and I'm struggling to think of another club where it has.
Well the main call is offside when interfering with play without touching the ball, which gets called a few times a season. I think there might have been an Archer for Southampton where it came to him via the defender who had to play it because the offside striker was right next to him.
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 03:39:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 03:47:13 PM
https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1885779089933373911
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 03:49:07 PM
I mean, I really don't want to say 'all we're asking for is consistency' but...this is one of those that they decide entirely ad hoc if it is or is not a foul.
The thresholds of what consitutes a foul vary wildly, between games and during them, and dependent on the teams involved.
I would also ask why there is even the need to the lino to put their flag up in that situation as the ball had gone in and would be subsequently checked for that event.
By incorrectly giving the decision on sight, the threshold is raised to reverse it and any neglible contact will be grasped at to support it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 03:53:26 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 03:58:52 PM
The issue with VAR is that on situations like this, for all the tecnology it's still subjective. So you'll never have the consistency we want. And by we I mean fans, players and possibly even the officials themselves.
I understand that, which is why I don't know why the ref wasn't sent to the monitor to make that subjective decision.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 04:00:43 PM
Pausing on the clip linked above at 24 seconds, I honestly think he did call Rogers as he was so blatantly offside, and seemed to be reaching for the defender. However I still think the decision should have ultimately been the refs from the screen.
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 04:01:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 04:03:20 PM
I do wonder which player the lino actually flagged offside for?
The lino saw Rogers position and flagged, but the subjective call on the interference was done afterwards.
Post by: jon collett on February 03, 2025, 04:15:47 PM
I do wonder which player the lino actually flagged offside for?
I agree and I’ve yet to see a definitely shot of which side of the penalty spot the Lino was when he flagged. I doubt he could see any contact from Rogers where he was.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 03, 2025, 04:57:31 PM
I still think our goal should've stood, and that it's pretty obvious that they ruled out the goal because they thought Digne or (more likely) Malen offside, and upon finding that they were wrong cast about for something to cover their arses with, however flimsy. Lovely system we've got going.
Not the first time that's happened to us, and I'm struggling to think of another club where it has.
It happened to.us against Manchester United at Old Trafford (surprise, surprise!) in a cup game didn't it?
If it is deemed a correct decision, then surely every set piece needs to be checked over for any players in an offside position who make contact with defenders that may prevent them from getting anywhere near the ball?
Post by: The Edge on February 03, 2025, 05:09:30 PM
Basically VAR once again put the rules through the mangle until the came up with a way of backing up their colleague.I do wonder which player the lino actually flagged offside for?
The lino saw Rogers position and flagged, but the subjective call on the interference was done afterwards.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 05:15:14 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 03, 2025, 05:59:23 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 07:08:09 PM
It does feel as if VAR is now being used to rubber stamp shit decisions and avoid making the on-pitch officials look like divs.
I have been all for it through all the criticism until this season. I barely see the point in it in it's current state (outside of offsides).
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 07:20:31 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 03, 2025, 07:34:10 PM
The fact that no Wolves players, including the one 'fouled' appealed for it is pretty telling imo. If the flag doesn't go up for offside I really don't think it would have been ruled out.
Definitely not. No one would have batted an eyelid if it was allowed.
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 07:35:01 PM
The fact that no Wolves players, including the one 'fouled' appealed for it is pretty telling imo. If the flag doesn't go up for offside I really don't think it would have been ruled out.
I think the same, no flag and I'd be amazed if the VAR sent him to screen for it. Whilst being critical of the onfield officials, How the fuck did rogers get booked for a challenge that was barely a foul but Cunha didn't get booked until he took his shirt off despite committing 6 fouls that were given and 3-4 other challenges that were at best 50/50. I just don't get why we seem to be punished for things so quickly but similar stuff is allowed to go for the opposition. I'm sure all fans think refs are a bit biased but we regularly seem to get more bookings despite making fewer fouls and rarely are the challenges significantly worse than stuff you see waved away every week.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 03, 2025, 07:56:25 PM
This is the main reason why I think VAR is so corrosive, even taking into account mistakes by officials pre VAR, this current system literally sucks the life out of the main point of football, the joy of celebrating a goal.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 03, 2025, 07:58:11 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 08:32:17 PM
As someone who has defended it a lot I'm leaning towards getting rid of everything except the automated offsides unless it can be completely reformed to work as a tool to ensure the right decisions are made rather than one that protects the onfield ref.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 01:07:30 PM