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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2024, 01:46:57 PM
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Unchanged and no ramsey on bench
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Unchanged and no ramsey on bench
or Maatsen
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Disappointing that no JJ. Was hoping he could add something today from the bench. Clearly nit ready and dont want to rush him
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Who has Philogene replaced on the bench?
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Who has Philogene replaced on the bench?
Maatsen
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Let's just get this out of the way.
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Surely we must be due a result up there. Come on Villa!
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15 games since we won up there.
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Emery is the trading breaker
Everything crossed that if we are to go down we do swinging rather than an early pathetic capitulation
Come on you Villa boys
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Be great if we can get something today
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15 games since we won up there.
Haven't lost in a December visit there since 1952, 2 draws (2005 and 2015) and a 3-0 win (1966). :)
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Their bench isnt great, looks like they dont have a lot that could change the game for them. Famous last words there.
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Their bench isnt great, looks like they dont have a lot that could change the game for them. Famous last words there.
Villa lost last three boxing day same as Newcastle
One record guranteed to end today
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We cant be wasteful in our chances like we have been today or we will be punished
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That Newcastle warm-up music-eeeuugh
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Thought we should have rotated 2-3 starters today including being Mings in.
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Their bench isnt great, looks like they dont have a lot that could change the game for them. Famous last words there.
We have a better bench but all of their front 6 are on fire
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FFS.
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Losing already fucking losers man
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Nice pointing from Konsa there
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Ffs
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Haha. Great stuff.
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Cash
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Zero pressing whatsoever
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You. Are. Joking. Was just making tea.
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Fucking hell
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dont show him inside ffs
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Not good - whenever Kamara gives the ball away there we concede
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Cash giving him 5 yards space
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Merry fucking Christmas Villa.
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Tonali already killing kamara and onana in that modfield battle
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Litany of errors there, Kamara outmuscled in midfield, Cash absolutely nowhere near Gordon
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Nice pointing from Konsa there
It’s what he’s best at
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We're asleep
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Konsa needs to be better there. Just pointing and waving at everyone else.
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The midfield have got to decide whether they want to be in this game or not.
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Hate Boxing day, especially away. We always look half arsed.
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The sooner they do away with Boxing Day games, the better. Fuck's sake.
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Kamara error and then it is all on Cash, Konsa pointing that he must cover Gordon - Cash placing himself in no mans land as usual - he will always cost us. said in the pre match thread: dont play Cash and dont leak early - then again this us and has been for long time, we can still come back and we often do.
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Better Villa
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Ffs rogers……why hold onto the ball like that, whilst running along your own 18 yard line
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What a shite corner
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That freekick of all players to line up the shot to kamara? Why not have youri there?
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We need to target Trippier - not the player he was
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JoeLinton has made 6 fouls already. No cards obvs
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Cash booked as usual. We desperately need an upgrade there.
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That looked a soft yellow to me
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Gordon is a diving twat and the ref is giving him everything.
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JoeLinton has made 6 fouls already. No cards obvs
But Cash, straight in the book. What have we done to Taylor, pissed on his chips?
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Gordon is a diving twat and the ref is giving him everything.
He’s a diving, spawny, scrawny little fucker.
But I’d have him in my team.
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Cash booked as usual. We desperately need an upgrade there.
That was shit refereeing though
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How was that offside??
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JoeLinton has made 6 fouls already. No cards obvs
But Cash, straight in the book. What have we done to Taylor, pissed on his chips?
Taylor hates us.
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How was that offside??
Seems like one that you should let go and see what happens to me.
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Jesus, this ref
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Gordon is a diving twat and the ref is giving him everything.
He’s a diving, spawny, scrawny little fucker.
But I’d have him in my team.
He's developed into a vey good player.
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no card for bruno?
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How was the cash one booking but that on Duran isn't? No real difference in the challenges.
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Cash you silly twat
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Good effort by digne
Pathetic by cash. Guys having a bloody stinker
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no card for bruno?
Suprised?
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no card for bruno?
Far worse than the Cash challenge
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Cash skies it after the free kick. Dear oh dear.
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Matty cash get fucked and keep fucking off some more
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Good effort by digne
Pathetic by cash. Guys having a bloody stinker
The weakest link.
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Turns out that a pull on the arm is an "obvious foul".
Unless it's Forest vs Villa, obviously.
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Why dont they ever let duran take a freekick. ?
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Cash really can fuck off
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Trippier booked for tripping
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no card for bruno?
Far worse than the Cash challenge
Don't think we'll get anything from this ref, he's real homer. Having said that Trippier booked and rightly so.
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We need to replace Cash. Awful.
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Ref is awful
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Foul after foul this game. No flow to the game at all
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Bruno diving all over the shop
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It's a shame we conceded so early ,but we're now much better
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Referring is so poor.
Not every tackle is a foul or free kick
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They have given us a lot of space - let's make it work
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Lord, Newcastle are the most irritating opposition
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Trippier booked for tripping
Commentators bitching on about it yet scarce a word when Cash was booked.
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Rogers has been bad so far. He keeps losing the ball ans not passing
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Cash is by far the weakest link. Week in and week out he gets targeted by the opposition managers.
We need an upgrade this month if possible.
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He is fouling cash but newcastle of course get freekick
Fucking bollocks
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Another fucking ****** ref then.
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That's a foul on Cash but he has no footballing IQ
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Oh what japes the Newcastle players are having with the ref
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Awful ref, awful.
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Rogers gets the ball and the Noocastle player doesn't even go down yet this prick of a ref gives a free kick.
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So Cash is pulled over but it's a free kick for them. Yeah right.
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Forest 1 up against spurs
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Thanks for ruining the game ref you fucking cretin
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Cash is by far the weakest link. Week in and week out he gets targeted by the opposition managers.
We need an upgrade this month if possible.
We do
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Duran red im fucking done with this fucking bollocks
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FFS - that so fucking stupid. Brainless.
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****** ref. ****** club. ******.
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Duran you idiot
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This ref is pathetic giving them everything and letting them do what they like. This is how things can get out of hand. Which leads to things like that red.
Ref has created this.
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And Duran off. The fucking idiot.
Oh well usual Boxing day bollocks.
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That’s not a red
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how could that be deemed intentional
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Please can our next Boxing Day game be postponed.
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That’s not a red
It is. Total stupidity
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This ref is pathetic giving them everything and letting them do what they like. This is how things can get out of hand. Which leads to things like that red.
Ref has created this.
Exactly.
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Ive never ever seen sky sports say something like this
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The crowd forced that
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Great stuff Duran. You fucking moron.
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how could that be deemed intentional
I'm not so sure, looked deliberate to me.
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That's a ridiculous decision . He was off balance , he's got to put his foot somewhere
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Fucksake
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how could that be deemed intentional
This fucker of a ref is an absolute disgrace. Where the fuck was he supposed to put his foot?
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Still don’t think it is
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Can we have another ref? Ffs everything.
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This ref is pathetic giving them everything and letting them do what they like. This is how things can get out of hand. Which leads to things like that red.
Ref has created this.
Exactly.
Yep, spot on
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Ive never ever seen sky sports say something like this
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They can fuck off too the ******.
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Duran , what a nob head
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We always, and I mean always, lose up north. Don't let it spoil your Christmas spirit, switch it off and watch a nice cosy pixar film
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3 game ban that
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Commentators are trying to make out he tried to kick his head off.
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Bloody hell.
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how could that be deemed intentional
I'm not so sure, looked deliberate to me.
Yeah, it was certainly dumb.. but you’ve got someone tumbling in front of you. How are you supposed to guess where to step next?
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That’s fucked him starting again for months
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Are this commentary team Noocastle season ticket holders?
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Taylor is corrupt. Duran ha CTd nowhere else to put his foot
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Not bothering with rest this is ending 3 or 4 again thanks to a stupid red card
Gonna put forest game on instead unless somehow newcastle go down to 10
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Clattenberg and the commentators talking about the boot "moving towards the head". He stood on his arse FFS
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Not a red for me.
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Never ever a red.
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Taylor is a shocking ref, but Duran should not put himself in that situation.
Taylor was allways going to send him off, he has form with us.
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No way that was deliberate. Game ruined by another shit ref decision.
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So joelinton going elbow first into the back of Cash isn't a foul.
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Not bothering with rest this is ending 3 or 4 again thanks to a stupid red card
Gonna put forest game on instead unless somehow newcastle go down to 10
Please do
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That’s not a red
It is. Total stupidity
Red card all day.
He was getting frustrated. Annoyed that he couldn't take the free kick earlier and unfortunately he's let his team mates down bigtime.
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Referee is an absolute fucking disgrace today.
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If people fall over in front of you, sometimes they might get trod on. All this fucking garbage about kicking his head??
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I'm not sure it was deliberate. But it didn't look like he was trying too hard to avoid it.
Unai's reaction, or lack of it...
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It looked a bit deliberate to me. At the very least, he can’t give the ref a decision to make.
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It was obviously accidental. Taylor has just decided Newcastle will win the game. Woeful decision
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Wouldnt suprise me if it was deliberate to bw honest. He threw a strol when he wasnt allowed to take the freekick. No idea why they didnt allow him too as he can bang them from range.
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Rogers having an absolute mare today
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Referee is an absolute fucking disgrace today.
They always are up there
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So he's been sent off for moving his foot to somewhere "near" the player's head according to Clattenburg. Which shows intent apparently.
I'd have said it showed intent to NOT kick hi in the head.
This is a fucking joke.
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I'm not sure it was deliberate. But it didn't look like he was trying too hard to avoid it.
Unai's reaction, or lack of it...
Same. Jhons now fucked us today
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Wouldnt suprise me if it was deliberate to bw honest. He threw a strol when he wasnt allowed to take the freekick. No idea why they didnt allow him too as he can bang them from range.
Thought you were going to watch Forest?
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I can’t make my mind up, I can see it from both sides
Obviously the ref only sees it from there’s
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I'm lenient on refs and I didn't think that was a red card.
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It’s rare that anything good comes from us visiting Newcastle or Man U. Not even Emery can break that spell.
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So he's been sent off for moving his foot to somewhere "near" the player's head according to Clattenburg. Which shows intent apparently.
I'd have said it showed intent to NOT kick hi in the head.
This is a fucking joke.
For me his foot kicked up because he was trying to get his ass to the floor more than anything.
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That’s not a red
It is. Total stupidity
Red card all day.
He was getting frustrated. Annoyed that he couldn't take the free kick earlier and unfortunately he's let his team mates down bigtime.
Yes , can be seen this way -I guess. he is not master of his temper always and probl could have put his foot differently if not had been frustrated.
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You can see his standing leg slip from under him a little immediately before the "stamp". I think he's been really harshly done by there.
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Durans kicks water bottle down tunnel.
Very idiotic and childish yet again from him. He should be thinking about how he blew his chance at starting .
Unai trusted him and he ket him down. Ollie will 100% be starting even after the 3 game ban. Fuck knows who we play up front if ollie gets injured now
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I can’t make my mind up, I can see it from both sides
Obviously the ref only sees it from there’s
He's falling over, he stands on him but how can anyone be sure he's deliberately done it? It's not like he's gone out of his way to stamp on him, his momentum is taking him forwards, what is he meant to do?
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Isak walks all over Konsa but that's only accidental according to these tossers on commentary.
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
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I don't think it's a red. What's he supposed to do, levitate over Schar till he's a safe distance away?
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
Raked? Fucking really?
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Watkins needs to come on because Rogers can’t hold onto the ball up front. We can’t get out at the moment.
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Ollie on for Rogers at H/T. He's just not at it today
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Durans kicks water bottle down tunnel.
Very idiotic and childish yet again from him. He should be thinking about how he blew his chance at starting .
Unai trusted him and he ket him down. Ollie will 100% be starting even after the 3 game ban. Fuck knows who we play up front if ollie gets injured now
Give it a rest will ya, you've posted the same thing 5 times already. You're so quick to turn on players, you hated him all summer and wouldn't shut up about it then
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Isak walks all over Konsa but that's only accidental according to these tossers on commentary.
I've turned off the commentary
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I’m f course the ref can not be sure it’s intentional, but the ref gets to decide and it’s Taylor who is an absolute c***.
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I personally think he could have done more to try avoid the contact and thats probably why the reds given. He didnt show any remorse either to the player to say it was accident.
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
So you can stop dead when running forward at pace?
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2 down if we had any other goalkeeper
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Yellow for that?? Red all day long for me.
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What a save from Emi. Yet more shit defending. Duran sending off? Why put yourself into that position? He's a temperamental twat and has let us down.
Hoping Joelinton gets sent off here.
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Watkins needs to come on because Rogers can’t hold onto the ball up front. We’re can’t get out at the moment
Would take Cash off and put Ollie on. Digne can play a half as a left sided CB I'm sure so three at the back as Newcastle seem fairly happy to sit on the 1-0 so I still think we could carve out some decent chances although it's a very difficult task now to get anything.
I don't think it was as intentional as the comms are saying but Duran didn't really make a big effort to stop his foot landing on Schar let's be honest so he's giving a chance for the ref to send off off and he'll have to learn from it as you fancy Ollie to get going again with the three starts he'll get now.
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Not our finest 45 but the ref is a complete bell end.
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Again, I'm not sure how that on tielemans is all that different to the challenge Cash got booked for.
And there's as much intent from Joelinton there as there was from Duran.
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Durans kicks water bottle down tunnel.
Very idiotic and childish yet again from him. He should be thinking about how he blew his chance at starting .
Unai trusted him and he ket him down. Ollie will 100% be starting even after the 3 game ban. Fuck knows who we play up front if ollie gets injured now
Give it a rest will ya, you've posted the same thing 5 times already. You're so quick to turn on players, you hated him all summer and wouldn't shut up about it then
Show me the five posts ive posted the same thing? I get your frustrated but seriously stop waffling and making rubbish up
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That’s more violent intent than Duran’s was. Neither a red
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Thought it was about intent?
Moving his hand to his head showed intent.
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need the VAR to even the game up here
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Cheating bastard ref again .
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I would have thought var would ahve looked at that ref was so quick to give a red
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Joelinton gets a yellow for a flailing arm that 8 out of 10 times would be red.
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need the VAR to even the game up here
I'd move Rogers to the left and just tell him to run at Trippier while he's on. He's vulnerable on a yellow.
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Durans kicks water bottle down tunnel.
Very idiotic and childish yet again from him. He should be thinking about how he blew his chance at starting .
Unai trusted him and he ket him down. Ollie will 100% be starting even after the 3 game ban. Fuck knows who we play up front if ollie gets injured now
Give it a rest will ya, you've posted the same thing 5 times already. You're so quick to turn on players, you hated him all summer and wouldn't shut up about it then
Show me the five posts ive posted the same thing? I get your frustrated but seriously stop waffling and making rubbish up
It was just the 3, apologies. How's the forest game?
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
Raked? Fucking really?
Raked? Wtf. He placed his boot on Scharrs arse with minimal contact. Red card? Harsh but maybe. Raked? Not in a million years and I've no idea why a Villa fan would call it like that.
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Durans kicks water bottle down tunnel.
Very idiotic and childish yet again from him. He should be thinking about how he blew his chance at starting .
Unai trusted him and he ket him down. Ollie will 100% be starting even after the 3 game ban. Fuck knows who we play up front if ollie gets injured now
Give it a rest will ya, you've posted the same thing 5 times already. You're so quick to turn on players, you hated him all summer and wouldn't shut up about it then
Show me the five posts ive posted the same thing? I get your frustrated but seriously stop waffling and making rubbish up
It was just the 3, apologies. How's the forest game?
I accept your apology.
Spurs look worse than we do half time
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Below Man. City on GD as it stands. This is where our leaky defence is costing us a bit.
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That was torturous. Anthony Taylor laughing with Claire Balding as they walk off.
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I never understand why we fall over ourselves on here to be reasonable. The first one was never a red, the second wasn't either but judged by the same criteria as the Duran incident it was definitely worth red.
We're getting stitched up , as per usual.
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The call is a tough one, but there is no denying that Anthony Taylor is a twat and an absolutely horrible referee.
Oh, and Cash’s defending on the goal was disgraceful.
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This commentator is really dreadful. We have no chance with this ref.
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You just know at sty james any 50/50decision is going against you. Thats why you need to keep your head as the ref is going to side with them.
Durans immaturity showed there. Im pretty sure emery is going to tear him apart at HT as this is going to be almost impossible to win with 10 men.
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Taking off my villa glasses, I think the ref has got everything right so far..
Duran stupid
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In principle I like that Emery very rarely complains about refs but in practice it means that c**ts like this and the twat at Forest can get away with being fucking awful against us.
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Honestly, they are the fucking dirtiest team in this division by a mile. But always, always get away with it.
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Taylor is fucking bent, starting by trying to claim to be an Altrincham fan when he's from Wythenshawe.
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We're likely gonna lose this game 0-3, and it won't be due to tactics or not trying... it'll be a stupid free kick on the edge of the box or a missed tackle on 85 min due to tiredness.
And 'everyone' will say that Newcastle deserve it. 🤢
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The call is a tough one, but there is no denying that Anthony Taylor is a twat and an absolutely horrible referee.
Oh, and Cash’s defending on the goal was disgraceful.
They have the benefit of the crowd that massively influenced that decision
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well we got to half time at 0-1 so still in it. The question is how to shoehorn Watkins in?
I'm not sure what id do hook cash and reshape, or either tiely, mcginn onana. Rogers is having a shit game but I'd keep him on for now
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You just know at sty james any 50/50decision is going against you. Thats why you need to keep your head as the ref is going to side with them.
Durans immaturity showed there. Im pretty sure emery is going to tear him apart at HT as this is going to be almost impossible to win with 10 men.
I think Unai will be doing no such thing
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I desperately want us to find a way against these fuckers second half. Pace is your only real chance with 10 men. I'd go Bailey for McGinn and Watkins for Tielemans. Give up the middle of the park a little and hit the three quick lads early.
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The call is a tough one, but there is no denying that Anthony Taylor is a twat and an absolutely horrible referee.
Oh, and Cash’s defending on the goal was disgraceful.
They have the benefit of the crowd that massively influenced that decision
The Newcastle coach too. And all their players.
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Duran can win or lose you a game in an instant, it's likely to be the latter today and that's the risk. Until then there wasn't a yellow card in the game, but this idiot ref thought otherwise.
We looked OK until that moment, but it does feel like a ground where nothing goes in our favour.
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
What a ridiculous comment. Lay off the Christmas sauce. Never a red in a million years. Neither was Joelinton’s but it was more a red because there was actually intent.
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That Red isn’t even debatable. He can be excused the first foot on the defenders thigh, but not the second attempt to climb over him. You can tell by the reaction of both sets of players and our gaffer.
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well we got to half time at 0-1 so still in it. The question is how to shoehorn Watkins in?
I'm not sure what id do hook cash and reshape, or either tiely, mcginn onana. Rogers is having a shit game but I'd keep him on for now
The one thing Rogers offers - even if he gives the ball away - is that the ball will stick to his feet a few seconds and allow the backline to get back in position.
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The bent ref has ruined the game. That said, Kamara and Rogers not at the same level as the last few games. We need to be more physical against these animals.
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This commentator is really dreadful. We have no chance with this ref.
Bad enough playing 12 but having to listen to some prick desperate for them to score is pretty tortuous
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
Raked? Fucking really?
Raked? Wtf. He placed his boot on Scharrs arse with minimal contact. Red card? Harsh but maybe. Raked? Not in a million years and I've no idea why a Villa fan would call it like that.
Just saying how I saw it. I wish I didn’t see it that way but he appears to change the direction of his foot land and the push it forward. He could just as easily landed his his foot to the right or at least try to.
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I'd go bailey on for mcginn and Watkins for Rodgers. Get Onana to play a little further forward if we're still in it with 20 mins to go. Possibly Tyrone on for Cash as well and Konsa to RB.
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I think we just have to acknowledge that we're stone-cold cursed at this ground and will literally never win there again.
Which is a shame as I fucking hate them.
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Taking off my villa glasses, I think the ref has got everything right so far..
Duran stupid
Don't believe what you hear on the radio as you're clearly not watching the game.
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With eleven men we were well in the game but that Dhuran red card has changed it massively.
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Cash was distracted for thr goal by the overlapping Lewis who McGinn should have been marking, but was also way too far off Gordon for the shot. Duran was stupid and it could have been avoided. We have to have someone up top to hold the ball up. Take Tielemans or Onana off and put Ollie on. Move Rogers to the right 4-4-1.
Looking at the Duran sending off again, it's just a stupid decision by Duran. We were really in this game before the sending off.
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
Raked? Fucking really?
Raked? Wtf. He placed his boot on Scharrs arse with minimal contact. Red card? Harsh but maybe. Raked? Not in a million years and I've no idea why a Villa fan would call it like that.
Just saying how I saw it. I wish I didn’t see it that way but he appears to change the direction of his foot land and the push it forward. He could just as easily landed his his foot to the right or at least try to.
Not when he's already falling the other way.
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Amazing how opinions differ!
How many games will he miss?
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I’ve absolutely no problem with Duran being angry at being sent off, none at all. He’s 21 years old and plays with his heart on his sleeve and he’ll soon learn the standard of refereeing in this country is at a very low ebb.
No consistency, no understanding of the game and the application of the laws change from game to game.
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If we were 1 up, and they were down to ten men, I’d still be a nervous wreck. Let’s turn the tables for a change
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That Red isn’t even debatable. He can be excused the first foot on the defenders thigh, but not the second attempt to climb over him. You can tell by the reaction of both sets of players and our gaffer.
Yeah now watching the replay a few times. Its the second one for me. I think duran can move his boot there he has enough time to do turn it to the side so thw studs dont go on the back. If there was a attempt to move the foot on the second one he may have got away with a yellow
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That Red isn’t even debatable. He can be excused the first foot on the defenders thigh, but not the second attempt to climb over him. You can tell by the reaction of both sets of players and our gaffer.
We agree. It’s not debatable. It isn’t. His left foot buckles and slips. He has nowhere to put his right foot and there is no intent. You can tell by Durans reaction which is instantly to see if Schaar is ok. If he’d done it out of anger he wouldn’t have done that so quickly as he would have still been in the heat of the moment.
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I think we’ll play well second half. We’ve been in this game, albeit not creating much.
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We where the better team before the red card - that is the takeaway. Duran let us down, let s hope he come back stronger. Watkins to come on and get his usual three clear cut chances and score in all three of them - in an alternative way of happenings that is.
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So he's been sent off for moving his foot to somewhere "near" the player's head according to Clattenburg. Which shows intent apparently.
I'd have said it showed intent to NOT kick hi in the head.
This is a fucking joke.
And yet contact was near his arse...
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Rewatching if you see it’s a tangle and he gets a boot in the waist which I think then makes him twist his foot in I think he meant it. Looked worse than I think it was and there players react - ares don’t - we need to get in the refs faces. Like when joelotion hit in the face we should be round the red like Roger’s had just had his head taken off.
It’s shit but it works.
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I don't think it's a red. What's he supposed to do, levitate over Schar till he's a safe distance away?
Hmm, he made sure he got contact on him. Granted it was his arse. Don't think he can have any complaints. Duran was playing well too up then.
Mountain to climb obviously now but it's a game with plenty of needle so chance of ref evening it up. Joelinton a little bit lucky and Trippier is on a yellow.
Need Watkins on anyway for Tielemans. Both centre backs are annoying me, get Mings on too for Torres.
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Watching the replay at half time, it looks as though Duran’s left foot slips before he plants his right foot on Schar’s back. I just don’t think that it is clear enough to be a red card. I know that dangerous play doesn’t have to be deliberate if you are out of control, but he’s only out of control because he’s in a tangle with another player.
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That Red isn’t even debatable. He can be excused the first foot on the defenders thigh, but not the second attempt to climb over him. You can tell by the reaction of both sets of players and our gaffer.
We agree. It’s not debatable. It isn’t. His left foot buckles and slips. He has nowhere to put his right foot and there is no intent. You can tell by Durans reaction which is instantly to see if Schaar is ok. If he’d done it out of anger he wouldn’t have done that so quickly as he would have still been in the heat of the moment.
Duran just looked guilty
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I think its a red but ref is giving them everything. We need to score quick because you know they'll be all over us second-half.
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The replay of that chance Martínez saved - looks like ‘Bruno’ fouls before laying it off.
Also, the replay shows Schaar kicking out at Duran before Duran slips.
I thought VAR was here to prevent this shit.
I hate playing this bunch of fuckers.
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Amazing how opinions differ!
How many games will he miss?
3 games and 20 subsequent starts probably
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Amazing how opinions differ!
How many games will he miss?
Brighton and Leicester at home and West Ham in the cup. Ollie will be loving this as Brighton is a team he has an incredible scoring record so it's all step up for him to confirm himself as our number one striker again very quickly.
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It’s 100% a red card, he’s clearly made sure he scrapes his studs down him, twice. Actively harming us over the next few games.
Glad to see so many defending him though. He’s just lucky he hasn’t gone through a bad patch in front of goal.
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Mountain to climb obviously now but it's a game with plenty of needle so chance of ref evening it up. Joelinton a little bit lucky and Trippier is on a yellow.
I would agree, but the Jaudis have now got 15 minutes to cool themselves down and focus on putting us to the sword.
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Watching the red again, are we going to ignore Scharr’s “accidental” flick out to Duran’s bollocks in the lead up? The red is harsh. Yes you could argue he could have pulled his foot away but it’s hardly clearly intent.
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I’ve absolutely no problem with Duran being angry at being sent off, none at all. He’s 21 years old and plays with his heart on his sleeve and he’ll soon learn the standard of refereeing in this country is at a very low ebb.
No consistency, no understanding of the game and the application of the laws change from game to game.
Absolutely right. I love the passion he shows rather than meekly accepting a bad decision by a fucking terrible referee.
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With my claret and blue glasses, No red
Looking in slow mow it seemed his right foot was going wide of Schar in real time and that he brought it back to tread on him
Emery just sat there as he went off so I think he also saw that, he also lashed out at something as he went off.
Dodgy defending again, but we can still get something, I hope that does not come back to bite me.
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I think the Duran one could go either way, the reason it's annoying is because you just knew Taylor would lean in their favour, as he has repeatedly. For me Joelinton has made 3-4 yellow card challenges and been given the benefit of the doubt, which clearly wasn't an option for Duran.
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The ref is crap but Duran has let his teamates down, he knew what he was doing. I will go back to bed when their second goes in.
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This would be emerys best result for us if he turns this around.
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The call is a tough one, but there is no denying that Anthony Taylor is a twat and an absolutely horrible referee.
Oh, and Cash’s defending on the goal was disgraceful.
Cash was defending a 2 on 1 with McGinn miles behind him!
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come on lads smash and grab
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That Red isn’t even debatable. He can be excused the first foot on the defenders thigh, but not the second attempt to climb over him. You can tell by the reaction of both sets of players and our gaffer.
We agree. It’s not debatable. It isn’t. His left foot buckles and slips. He has nowhere to put his right foot and there is no intent. You can tell by Durans reaction which is instantly to see if Schaar is ok. If he’d done it out of anger he wouldn’t have done that so quickly as he would have still been in the heat of the moment.
Totally agree with this comment. If your left foot has buckled are you really thinking of stamping on the Opposition player. Scharr didn't really need to go the floor but when he did at that pace you risk being trod on.
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I think the Duran one could go either way, the reason it's annoying is because you just knew Taylor would lean in their favour, as he has repeatedly. For me Joelinton has made 3-4 yellow card challenges and been given the benefit of the doubt, which clearly wasn't an option for Duran.
Well a cute team would be aiming every attack at Trippier now. Or going down at any contact Joelinthon makes on them so let's see what happens. We're probably going to need something like that to get anything now.
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I think the Duran one could go either way, the reason it's annoying is because you just knew Taylor would lean in their favour, as he has repeatedly. For me Joelinton has made 3-4 yellow card challenges and been given the benefit of the doubt, which clearly wasn't an option for Duran.
Well a cute team would be aiming every attack at Trippier now. Or going down at any contact Joelinthon makes on them so let's see what happens. We're probably going to need something like that to get anything now.
Absolutely
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It’s 100% a red card, he’s clearly made sure he scrapes his studs down him, twice. Actively harming us over the next few games.
Glad to see so many defending him though. He’s just lucky he hasn’t gone through a bad patch in front of goal.
Good job you said scrapes and not raked as that can really upset some people
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Ollie on for Tielemans.
Save Youri for Brighton and we'll need Ollie to put in the work rate of two CFs now to get anything here.
Rogers also on the left to have some runs at Trippier.
Don't mind all that, I still think we'll score at some stage.
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I think the Duran one could go either way, the reason it's annoying is because you just knew Taylor would lean in their favour, as he has repeatedly. For me Joelinton has made 3-4 yellow card challenges and been given the benefit of the doubt, which clearly wasn't an option for Duran.
Well a cute team would be aiming every attack at Trippier now. Or going down at any contact Joelinthon makes on them so let's see what happens. We're probably going to need something like that to get anything now.
However, we know any foul by Joelinton will result in a yellow for diving against our player.
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WTF McGinn!
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That ****** Tindall was sent off at HT apparently. Probably for being a ****** and those white teeth.
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Tonali trying to get Ollie sent off....
Yawn. We'll still finish above this lot regardless of today's result.
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Wake up Konsa ffs
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You can see his standing leg slip from under him a little immediately before the "stamp". I think he's been really harshly done by there.
Agreed. We need to appeal. I also want Unai to come out and say that he never questions the decisions of referees and today won't be the first time providing Villa never have ****** Anthony Taylor referee them ever again. It's not like Taylor doesn't have form with us. Shocking referee.
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Regardless of being down to 10, we have been utterly outmuscled in midfield
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I'm as optimistic as anyone but I really cannot see us scoring here never mind getting a win.
The red card has completely killed the game.
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Looks like the sub has killed us
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If we want a draw we'll need two goals - Barnes still hasn't scored his obligatory goal against us.
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Looks like the sub has killed us
I would have taken rogers or mcginn off
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no card for gordon? its 10 against 12 today
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Wow he's started to give us free kicks
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Can we watch the match amazon or just replays of offsides and managers on the touchline
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Gordon dodges another yellow card
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Can we watch the match amazon or just replays of offsides and managers on the touchline
Ha!
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Not sure taking Tielemans off was the right call. Should have took Cash off and dropped Kamara back. Especially, with Cash on a card. We have no creativity in the middle now and needed with the likes of Tielemans ability to thread through balls.
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Digne trying to get a reaction from Tripper there. Good lad. Keep it up.
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Thats what fucks me off he cant get his cards out quick enough for ua yet constant fouls by newcastle and no yellows. Bollocks and biased referring
2-0 game over
Another memorable boxing day
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******
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Game over
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The inevitable second goes in.
I hate this fixture.
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Bottled sending Trippier off, ah well.
Howe will take him off in the next five minutes.
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Fucking rubbish.
You don’t need 11 men on the pitch to be able to defend that.
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Isak looked off when the ball was played through to Murphy.
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games fucked
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We're getting battered. We've been an absolute shadow of the team that completely dominated the champions just a week ago. How does that happen? Questions need to be asked.
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Guys the game at villa park we have to be loud and go fucking berzerk at every decision to put pressure on the refs against newcastle so they dont get away with it our place.
Howe like ange most of the time has emerys number
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At no point is Torres marking anyone, for the second goal, again.
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That goal is why I don't like the interfering with play thing for offside, Isak was a yard out 2 behind our defence when the ball went to Murphy and had that advantage to get to the cross.
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We're getting battered. We've been an absolute shadow of the team that completely dominated the champions just a week ago. How does that happen? Questions need to be asked.
Eh, we conceded after a minute to a wonder strike and then were actually o.k up to the red.
It's just one of those away grounds for us I'm afraid.
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Offside but this could get embarrassing
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Bottled sending Trippier off, ah well.
Howe will take him off in the next five minutes.
Yep. Rinse and repeat. Chickened out of booking Nan face too. Incompetent ******.
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We're getting battered. We've been an absolute shadow of the team that completely dominated the champions just a week ago. How does that happen? Questions need to be asked.
We were one down within a minute and a man down after 30, think those are the main contributing factors.
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Gordon going to have one of those halves where he commits seven fouls and gets booked in the 89th minute.
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Bottled sending Trippier off, ah well.
Howe will take him off in the next five minutes.
Yep. Rinse and repeat. Chickened out of booking Nan face too. Incompetent ******.
Bent
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The wanker ref has really spoiled this game
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We've gone to fuck
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SJM had a shocking half. Trying to hard to make things happen and constantly giving it away.
Put on Barkley.
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Keystone cop defending
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Teams go down to 10 all the time you simply do not collapse. If we lose this by 4 or more thats no excuse
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Shambles again at the back.
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We're getting battered. We've been an absolute shadow of the team that completely dominated the champions just a week ago. How does that happen? Questions need to be asked.
We were one down within a minute and a man down after 30, think those are the main contributing factors.
And in between we were in control of the game
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Defending like wankers.
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This is going to get messy for us.
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Isak is quality. Arsenal would win the league with him upfront.
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I'm sorry, but why the fuck are we trying to play out with 10 men?
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FFS wheres the card!! rogers getting smashed over and over!
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When we are good we are brilliant.
When we are not good, we are absolutely fucking atrocious
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Third foul, at least by Gordon, still no booking.
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This was always going to happen in this game. We’re piss poor against these most times we play them.
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We're getting battered. We've been an absolute shadow of the team that completely dominated the champions just a week ago. How does that happen? Questions need to be asked.
I thought we looked as against City before the red. Playing with ten they will look the better team. They will get confidence as the game goes along and we might loose some of ours belief.
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Watkins is a shadow of a silhouette of a cardboard cut-out of the player he was
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Fuck Taylor, fucking c**t
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This is like being on a microscopic slide for 90 minutes and being slowly hacked to pieces with a scalpel in front of the nation. Dreadful day.
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Yes let's blame Torres, sensible.
Anyway, Newcastle fans - tyrant-bootlickers and sycophants for the kingdom of ISIS that owns their team - are happy. Wonderful.
Fuck them to hell.
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Duran really silly. We would be in this game if he were still on the pitch
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This is by far the worst refereeing display of the season and it’s up against some pretty stiff competition.
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Usual pathetic fucking up of Christmas.
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Oh ffs ref's not even trying to hide how biased he is
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This ref is a fucking corrupt c unt
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I'm sorry, but why the fuck are we trying to play out with 10 men?
Because when we've gone long it's been such a success!
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Usual pathetic fucking up of Christmas.
Yup - need to beat Brighton to atone for it.
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Do we need any more evidence that Taylor is bent.
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Interesting subs.
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Clear red he raked his boot upwards from where it landed.
Raked? Fucking really?
Raked? Wtf. He placed his boot on Scharrs arse with minimal contact. Red card? Harsh but maybe. Raked? Not in a million years and I've no idea why a Villa fan would call it like that.
Just saying how I saw it. I wish I didn’t see it that way but he appears to change the direction of his foot land and the push it forward. He could just as easily landed his his foot to the right or at least try to.
Yeah but raked?
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Watkins is a shadow of a silhouette of a cardboard cut-out of the player he was
A pale shadow that is.
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This ref is a fucking corrupt c unt
Yep. Watkins gets hit on the edge of the box and he pulls it back for the earlier foul?!
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Taylor video in the future. ‘What do you think of Emery? Cnut proper Cnut.’
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Taking Rogers off is a mistake. He was committing people
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The ref isn’t corrupt - incompetent maybe - but not corrupt. That’s the sort of bollocks Arsenal fans never shut up about.
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The ref isn’t corrupt - incompetent maybe - but not corrupt. That’s the sort of bollocks Arsenal fans never shut up about.
Agreed
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Our defence is sooo weak without Mings….
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Ned on for Cash - hope he show himself as the better option.
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Taking Rogers off is a mistake. He was committing people
The game is lost, protect him for the Brighton game. Short of Newcastle getting 10 game ending injuries we’re not getting back in this.
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I've made bank off this match. All very predictable.
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The ref isn’t corrupt - incompetent maybe - but not corrupt. That’s the sort of bollocks Arsenal fans never shut up about.
I reckon he knows this games gone so he’s resting him for the next
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The ref isn’t corrupt - incompetent maybe - but not corrupt. That’s the sort of bollocks Arsenal fans never shut up about.
Yes, that’s a better description
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I've made bank off this match. All very predictable.
Indeed it is!
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Martinez distribution has been dreadful second half. Ollie had no chance there
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I've made bank off this match. All very predictable.
Indeed it is!
Just need Onana to clatter someone and get booked for a glorious boxing day treble bonanza.
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Barnes on, so effectively 3-0.
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Martinez distribution has been dreadful second half. Ollie had no chance there
Plan B or Plan C does not involve going down to 10 men with an hour to go against the form team of the division attacking wise
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Watkins is a shadow of a silhouette of a cardboard cut-out of the player he was
A pale shadow that is.
Let's hope he finds some form as he's back in for the next game.
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I've made bank off this match. All very predictable.
Indeed it is!
Just need Onana to clatter someone and get booked for a glorious boxing day treble bonanza.
Tell me you're joking
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Taking Rogers off is a mistake. He was committing people
The game is lost, protect him for the Brighton game. Short of Newcastle getting 10 game ending injuries we’re not getting back in this.
They'd still have their best player Taylor on the pitch. He's a real game changer.
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That was a sitter missed
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I've made bank off this match. All very predictable.
Indeed it is!
Just need Onana to clatter someone and get booked for a glorious boxing day treble bonanza.
As long as you're happy.
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Comedy 3rd
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Why are we always like this around Christmas? Even last season when we were on fire we managed to throw way a 2-0 lead at Old Trafford.
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Nice one Konsa
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Comedy 3rd
Ten men or no ten its absolutely pathetic how we always collapse when we go to 10. Its just utterly embarrassing
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Ruled out, we can still win this!
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I’ve banged this drum a few times but we need Mings back in this team.
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I’ve banged this drum a few times but we need Mings back in this team.
Agreed
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Ruled out, we can still win this!
Ever the optimist!
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Going down to ten men doesn’t help but then again, neither does conceding in the second minute.
We are just so fucking inconsistent.
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3 quick goals and were right back in it
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What a prat that Guimares is, celebrating like he’d popped one in from 25 yards, it hit your arm 3 yards out you tit.
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Isak dodges getting booked for dissent
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What a prat that Guimares is, celebrating like he’d popped one in from 25 yards, it hit your arm 3 yards out you tit.
Most punchable club in the division from boardroom to catering.
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Every newcastle player dodges getting booked for bookable offences
Fixed for your convenience
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What a prat that Guimares is, celebrating like he’d popped one in from 25 yards, it hit your arm 3 yards out you tit.
Most punchable club in the division from boardroom to catering to police horse.
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Isak dodges getting booked for dissent
I was moaning about that. It's been non-stop, all game. Has the referee even chatted to him?
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Forest up to 3rd as it stands
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In these times of global turmoil, AI influenced reality and a mad man about to become the most powerful man in the world, at least we are maintaining a Christmas tradition.
By being fucking rubbish on Boxing Day.
Merry fucking Christmas.
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It’s an obvious statement but we simply have to improve defensively. I have no idea what the issue is but it’s killing us, especially away where you have to have some backbone and stick in there. It’s so frustrating as we are fantastic going forward but gift goals every game.
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Watching the forest game and whenever I see them they really look like they love defending, they're just sat deep boshing it away. Something we can only dream of
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3 quick goals and were right back in it
Yup. Fulham have halted Chelsea and we mess it up big time.
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Just blown the final whistle for fuck sake and spare us the inevitable Barnes goal
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And there's a gift
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Watching the forest game and whenever I see them they really look like they love defending, they're just sat deep boshing it away. Something we can only dream of
Glad you took my advice 😂
But i agree with you about forest defending. I find it amazing we ca not simply defend like they do. They look excellent defensively.
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The referee just killed this as an evenly matched sporting contest early in the first half by booking Cash and giving them every decision going. Terrible, terrible refereeing today.
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Miserable fucking day.
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The referee just killed this as an evenly matched sporting contest early in the first half by booking Cash and giving them every decision going. Terrible, terrible refereeing today.
The ref didn’t send off our fight, battling, tenacity, desire or pride.
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We're likely gonna lose this game 0-3, and it won't be due to tactics or not trying... it'll be a stupid free kick on the edge of the box or a missed tackle on 85 min due to tiredness.
And 'everyone' will say that Newcastle deserve it. 🤢
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The referee just killed this as an evenly matched sporting contest early in the first half by booking Cash and giving them every decision going. Terrible, terrible refereeing today.
The ref didn’t send of our fight, battling, tenacity, desire or pride.
Or the fact we’re absolutely Blues on Boxing Day and have been for 300 years.
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An acid reflux of a performance
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More than 1 shot on Target would have meant something. I don't think the ref was convincing as unbiased but we have come against that before.
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The referee just killed this as an evenly matched sporting contest early in the first half by booking Cash and giving them every decision going. Terrible, terrible refereeing today.
The ref didn’t send of our fight, battling, tenacity, desire or pride.
Or the fact we’re absolutely Blues on Boxing Day and have been for 300 years.
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Well done villa. Thw great villa crumble is back
10 men and you play like fucking losers and fall apart.
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Do we always lose miserably away on Boxing Day or is it my imagination?
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We were shite before and after it was ruined by a petulant arsehole.
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we wasn't even in the game for 2 mins. Sorry old shite that was today.
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Down to 10 men and show no character
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Thought Onana played very well up to that error. Some amount of unforced errors from us playing out in second half - McGinn, Martinez, Onana
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What a miserable day
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And another shoeing to our goal difference.
Does Unai not see that we are fucking shit at the back and even consider trying to change it. You never know JUST MAYBE Mings should be given an opportunity?
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The sending off was definitely the turning point. Despite being 1 down we were well in the game. It's another shit decision by a ref that has pretty much ruined any chance of us getting back into the game. The curse at Newcastle goes on. We just never seem to get a break up there.
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3-0 is a par score for us there so I wasn’t expecting anything different and it will not ruin my Boxing Day.
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I haven't been any more certain of a defeat this season, I suppose it was nice of Villa to confirm it inside the first two minutes and not put us through the stress we endured at Forest, again. If we can beat Brighton, it's been a very good festive period by our unfestive standards.
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The game was over as a contest as soon as Duran got sent off. To reduce a team to ten men, with a 3 game ban you need to be 100% it's a red card. There's no chance you can say with absolute certainty that's a deliberate violent stamp.
Newcastle are a shower of cnuts.
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Goal 1 , the critical one, it's actually Kamara losing it weakly that puts us on the back foot .