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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on December 11, 2024, 08:35:10 AM
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Saturday 14th December, 5.30pm
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Maatsen
Onana
Kamara
McGinn
Tielemans
Watkins
Rogers
Mings better than Pau to deal with Wood. Much as Duran deserves another start I reckon he would get more joy out of Murillo and Milenkovic after 60 minutes of Watkins stretching them a bit.
1-1
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Is Onana likely to be fit?
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He's been on the bench for the last two games, so I assume he's available at the very least. If not him, then Barkley.
edit - because for all the "Duran deserves a start" talk, that's now three important goals for Barkley in the last eleven games, which is actually more than Duran has. So I guess the same shout could be made for him too.
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0-2
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Hoping there’s no CL hangover and worried about their fast and direct style.
I think I’d give Mings a start here. Unsure about Watkins/Duran.
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Our performance here last season was amongst the most insipid and weak that I can recall.
Hoping for better this time around, and the signs were good last night, we attacked and controlled in a manner that we have got used to under this Manager and need it to continue. Mings to come in to the back line for me to counter the threat of Woods, and I think Emery will definitely change things up again. A tight win.
1-2
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We need to be giving these a bit of a slap down, I've no beef with Forest but their results have become annoyingly good.
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I'm going for 2-1 Villa win.
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Expecting a physical battle. As ever, take our chances and we’ll probably win.
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Cash on the Wing again? Played well last night and will be motivated against his former club.
Imagine Mings may play, to counter the threat of Wood in the air.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
Kamara Tielemans
McGinn Maatsen
Rogers
Watkins
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Saturday 14th December, 5.30pm
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Maatsen
Onana
Kamara
McGinn
Tielemans
Watkins
Rogers
Mings better than Pau to deal with Wood. Much as Duran deserves another start I reckon he would get more joy out of Murillo and Milenkovic after 60 minutes of Watkins stretching them a bit.
1-1
Is Digne out? If not he's a cert to start. With Watkins limping off last night Duran will surely start. Think he deserves a start in a big game for us in any case.
Emery hasn't tried Tielemans further forward yet this season that I recall but that seems the obvious switch with Ramsey and Bailey out, McGinn to the right Rogers left and one of Barkley or Onana next to Kamara.
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Is Digne out?
No, don't think so. And I expect you're right, that Digne will start. Just in the way I'd line up, if we're making the midfield more solid and Mings comes in for Pau then the full-backs would become more important for attacking.
And Murillo and Milenkovic are both enormous, so I think Maatsen getting in behind and cutting the ball back is more likely to be useful than Digne floating crosses to the back post.
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Mings and Konsa to start in central defence please.
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Next four really do shape our season 4 tough games
A Forest
H Citeh
A newcastle
h brighton
I think if we can get a good return from that lot we have a great opportunity for 5th
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I think if we can get a good return from that lot we have a great opportunity for 5th
I've gone for a draw but would like at least 5 points from the next 3, however they come. 7-8 points from those 4 games would be a decent haul.
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Is Digne out?
No, don't think so. And I expect you're right, that Digne will start. Just in the way I'd line up, if we're making the midfield more solid and Mings comes in for Pau then the full-backs would become more important for attacking.
And Murillo and Milenkovic are both enormous, so I think Maatsen getting in behind and cutting the ball back is more likely to be useful than Digne floating crosses to the back post.
I just don't know if Maatsen is ready for starting games like this one away at Forest. I think he will eventually replace Digne, as he has that ability like Moreno had to get behind a team, but Digne has been playing very well.
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On the subject of left backs, no Moreno for them of course though he didn't play last week either.
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A tight and tasty win
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
Kamara Onana
Rogers Tielemans McGinn
Duran
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
Kamara Onana
Rogers Tielemans McGinn
Duran
That's exactly the team I would go with.
Their midfield is very physical, we will need to match that. Mings to go up against Wood.
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There's no perfect solution as we are clearly short at winger, but I feel like you negate some of McGinn's best arsework when you play him wide.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
Kamara Onana
Rogers Tielemans McGinn
Duran
Yep, another vote for that line-up. Mings and Duran have to start.
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Same team for me also apart from swap over McGinn and Rogers as i feel they are better on opposite sides.
Tough game this but we are good enough to get something and i think we are now rolling back into form
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2-0
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4 wins in a row after a sticky spell would be some way to head into Xmas spell. Back into 5th at a minimum too.
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We will not keep a clean sheet. Other things being equal, we will score more goals than them.
We played some good football against Leipizig, but the PL is a different beast, as most teams realize that if you stop our midfielders from turning by fair means or foul, our efficiency is reduced. Maybe Cash further forward is a temporary solution, as it may release Digne on the left.
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Hopefully it will be the same team that started on Tuesday
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Next four really do shape our season 4 tough games
A Forest
H Citeh
A newcastle
h brighton
I think if we can get a good return from that lot we have a great opportunity for 5th
Yes, all 4 are in an around us at the moment. They're all 6 point games in a way. Forest will be well up for it as their upcoming games are, based on form, easier than ours. They're kind of the us of last season and a win would be massive for them. We must take it seriously and avoid the post CL slump we've seen a few times already.
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I'm finding Forest almostas annoying as Leeds were a few years ago under Biesla .
Mings and Torres to return to Central defence . Duran to start .
-------- Martinez --------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Kamara -- Onana ---
McGinn ---------- Tielemans
------ Rogers-------------
--------- Duran ----------
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I'm finding Forest almostas annoying as Leeds were a few years ago under Biesla .
Mings and Torres to return to Central defence . Duran to start .
-------- Martinez --------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Kamara -- Onana ---
McGinn ---------- Tielemans
------ Rogers-------------
--------- Duran ----------
You say Torres returning to centre defence, yet haven’t picked him there. Almost like your fingers are arguing with your brain.
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Mings and Konsa to start please in the middle
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Mings and Konsa to start please in the middle
Yes Tim, we get it
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
Given our awful November, if we are serious about snatching that 5th CL spot then we need to start winning some tough away games. Like this one.
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Could really do with a win given that Man City and Newcastle are the next two, and that we always ruin Christmas.
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Could really do with a win given that Man City and Newcastle are the next two, and that we always ruin Christmas.
All tough games but we can get points at all i think
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Could really do with a win given that Man City and Newcastle are the next two, and that we always ruin Christmas.
All tough games but we can get points at all i think
Win draw lose in that order I reckon. Don’t we always lose on Boxing Day? Isn’t that the law?
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Yep, away from home at least. And we never win at Newcastle so that makes it worse.
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It's about time we beat someone above us in the table , avoid being labelled flat track bullies
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It's about time we beat someone above us in the table , avoid being labelled flat track bullies
By you, you mean?
It's not a suggestion I've heard anyone else out there in footballworld make.
What you're effectively doing here, despite disguising it as a suggestion which others may make, is saying we're flat track bullies.
It's part of your monotonous, endless digging away at things, the constant need to see every problem as probably fatal.
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No, if we want a CL spot we need to start getting results not only against the lower teams but those above us
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So, if we were top, we'd be a bit shit because we wouldn't beat the teams above us!
Oh, the shame!
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Brentford were above us. So we literally defeated the last team we played that was above us in the league.
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Brentford were above us. So we literally defeated the last team we played that was above us in the league.
Yes, but that obviously doesn't count! ;-)
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TBF, 2 thirds of the league were above us at that point. And we were at home.
Anyway, it's our away form that we need to improve mostly. When did we last beat a top side away?
Arsenal last season?
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Leipzig on Tuesday. 🙂
Tbf we need to improve our (league) record against twat teams this season. Even allowing for the traditional Man U exception, we did very well against twat teams last season. Just one point from five games so far this time.
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Leipzig on Tuesday. 🙂
Tbf we need to improve our (league) record against twat teams this season. Even allowing for the traditional Man U exception, we did very well against twat teams last season. Just one point from five games so far this time.
Absolutely. That spurs result really infuriates.me
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
Can't see Chris Wood for the trees 🤷
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Hopefully it will be the same team that started on Tuesday
Hopefully not. Need Ty to bring the fury and Onana to fuck Chris Wood up at set-pieces.
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2.2 draw
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Their forum is quite entertaining.
I vote we have a discreet word with Aston Villa and the teams emerge from the tunnel carrying 3 European Cups between us.
Put them casually down on the pitch, carry on as normal. Maybe get the mascots to take them off the pitch before kick off.
Why?
BECAUSE WE BLOODY WELL CAN.
https://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/official-matchday-thread-16-%E2%80%93-nottingham-forest-vs-aston-villa-14th-dec-2024-5-30pm.52718/page-4#post-4188882
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Cute.
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Other than Liverpool, all their wins are against teams in the bottom half.... Sound familiar?
Should be a good game. A win sees us climb at least one place over the weekend, two if the blue half of Manchester lose.
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one of the forest blogs mentioned that the current top 6 are all champions league/European cup winners... plus Arsenal (chuckle)
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Huge game this , 3 points would be superb and set us up nicely. Emery to out think and strategise Nuno . COYVB's
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We’ll have to be clinical, they’re pretty good at limiting chances.
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We’ll have to be clinical, they’re pretty good at limiting chances.
It’s how spiritlevelsantos sets his teams up.
The world domination he achieved at Wolves was very much soak it up and counter punch, he has to be fair had the edge on Emery.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
Amongst other results, theyve drawn with Wolves and Bournemouth at home and lost to Fulham and Newcastle, its not a fortress.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
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Their home form isn't the best. Nuno has done a great job building them from the back so we need to be clinical with the chances we get. Our fullbacks need to be on their toes but it's in midfield where the game will be decided and we should have too much for them.
Tough game but we need the three points to keep in reach of the current top 4.
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Forest mix it up in style and we need to be ready for that , they aren't afraid to go long at times .
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Oh Mansfield, so much to answer for…
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Forest mix it up in style and we need to be ready for that , they aren't afraid to go long at times .
If they ping it up over the top of our high line, our chaps will need to be on their toes, and no mistake.
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The bookies struggling to call this one , them 7/4 us 8/5 , draw 11/5
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The bookies struggling to call this one , them 7/4 us 8/5 , draw 11/5
If I was a gambling person, I would spread bet on the number of goals scored.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
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Newcastle tore them a new one a few games back and i think we can do the same.
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We will win.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
I was at that Mansfield match. Must be getting old!!
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Digne
McGinn
Onana
Kamara
Rogers
Tielemans
Duran
Probably the most physical XI going.
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
We need a poll - ‘Should we nuke Mansfield?’
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
We need a poll - ‘Should we nuke Mansfield?’
Mariska Hargitay says No!
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Digne
McGinn
Onana
Kamara
Rogers
Tielemans
Duran
Probably the most physical XI going.
Let's get physical.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Digne
McGinn
Onana
Kamara
Rogers
Tielemans
Duran
Probably the most physical XI going.
Like that team although rogers looks abit tired. But then there is no one else (illing junior would have been handy about now)
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
My best mate from uni was from Mansfield. Nottingham feels like the East Midlands, Mansfield feels much more northern. And grim.
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
My best mate from uni was from Mansfield. Nottingham feels like the East Midlands, Mansfield feels much more northern. And grim.
True dat,
I am reminded of a line from Inspector Morse to Lewis:
"Further north than Stoke on Trent, I have no desire to go".
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
My best mate from uni was from Mansfield. Nottingham feels like the East Midlands, Mansfield feels much more northern. And grim.
One of mine was, too. Had several nights out in Mansfield around 1987-9 - frightening.
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I remember in a more sane and sensible time that this would have been the Boxing Day game and we'd be playing freckin' Newcastle today instead
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
Never been to Mansfield and, not knowing anyone from there, can't imagine why I ever would. It just seems like Rotherham or Scunthorpe, places like that. No characteristic or redeeming feature that makes a visit seem worthwhile. Never been to Chesterfield either, but at least that has the cathedral
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Anyway, entertaining draw, 1-1, 2-2 outside
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
I was at that Mansfield match. Must be getting old!!
So was I
I lived in Mansfield at the time
We didn’t get promotion that night as we only drawed 1-1
Geof Vowden
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Ex Villa legend Jordan Bowery plays for Mansfield
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
Miner
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
Never been to Mansfield and, not knowing anyone from there, can't imagine why I ever would. It just seems like Rotherham or Scunthorpe, places like that. No characteristic or redeeming feature that makes a visit seem worthwhile. Never been to Chesterfield either, but at least that has the cathedral
The old part of Chesterfield is very nice.
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
Never been to Mansfield and, not knowing anyone from there, can't imagine why I ever would. It just seems like Rotherham or Scunthorpe, places like that. No characteristic or redeeming feature that makes a visit seem worthwhile. Never been to Chesterfield either, but at least that has the cathedral
Don't you live in/near Croydon? Surely the poster boy for pointless places?
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
I was at that Mansfield match. Must be getting old!!
So was I
I lived in Mansfield at the time
We didn’t get promotion that night as we only drawed 1-1
Geof Vowden
Yes we did. A point was enough.
(https://i.ibb.co/KbksF1z/Mansfield-1-1-Aston-Villa-League-Three-match-at-Field-Mill-Monday-24th-April-1972-Aston-Villa-earn-p.webp) (https://ibb.co/KbksF1z)
(https://i.ibb.co/YPHxRZg/Aston-Villa-H-24-Apr72-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YPHxRZg)
(https://freeonlinedice.com/)
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/match/3185
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
You know Tom Curtis? Wow!
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
Miner
No, he was 21.
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
Miner
No, he was 21.
He was called Morris, or Maurice in polite company.
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I knew a bloke who played for Mansfield. He also played for Chesterfield in the FA cup semi final against Middlesbrough.
You know Tom Curtis? Wow!
I thought Sean Dyche.
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I've only been once to Mansfield. That was for a job interview when I was 21. I didn't get the job.
Miner
Articled Clerk (or trainee solicitor, as they are called nowadays).
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This is the weirdest pre-match thread in living memory, and God knows there have been some strange ones.
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Happy with the team, come on Villa.
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This is the clearest draw there is. Therfore it won't be. 8)
1-3. Watkins Brace.
i would probably take a draw tbh. Forest ia not a easy place to go
It is an easy place to go - just straight up the A38.
Jump off on the A50 though or you'll end up in Mansfield, and nobody wants that.
Don't knock Mansfield. The last time we went there we ended up getting promoted.
I was at that Mansfield match. Must be getting old!!
So was I
I lived in Mansfield at the time
We didn’t get promotion that night as we only drawed 1-1
Geof Vowden
Yes we did. A point was enough.
(https://i.ibb.co/KbksF1z/Mansfield-1-1-Aston-Villa-League-Three-match-at-Field-Mill-Monday-24th-April-1972-Aston-Villa-earn-p.webp) (https://ibb.co/KbksF1z)
(https://i.ibb.co/YPHxRZg/Aston-Villa-H-24-Apr72-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YPHxRZg)
(https://freeonlinedice.com/)
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/match/3185
A rare shot of Doug getting his face in the celebratory pics. Was just as visible during the tougher times as well...
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Ex Villa legend Jordan Bowery plays for Mansfield
He's done well there hasn't he. Always satisfying when a player finds their natural level and succeeds there