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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on April 22, 2024, 03:40:01 PM
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We go again 8)
Saturday 8pm.
Win here and we can almost smell the CL.
2-1 Villa.
FTF 8)
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Please can we smash them 3-0 to give us that now almost mythical 9 point cushion over Spurs, but also a lovely big GD advantage?
Thank you.
I predicted 3-1 to Villa before the game yesterday by the way. Thank me later.
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Get Reo Coker man marking Palmer and we can do these lot.
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1-1
They've sadly improved the last couple of months, the Man City semi was their first defeat in over 2 months, a run that started with the cup game at VP. I wouldn't be devastated with a point either.
Actually you can the LC final as I forgot that wasn't pens and they lost in extra time,
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1-1
They've sadly improved the last couple of months, the Man City semi was their first defeat in over 2 months, a run that started with the cup game at VP. I wouldn't be devastated with a point either.
Actually you can the LC final as I forgot that wasn't pens and they lost in extra time,
So they're due a loss then? 8)
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Mind you they play away at Arsenal tomorrow so a good twatting and some red cards plus a few little injuries wouldn't be a disaster.
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Really want to beat them. That FA Cup defeat really pissed on my chips that day.
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These are getting funeralled 4-0.
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Even in the 60s and 70s when they were rubbish they represented everything wrong with football. They even represented things wrong with football then that hadn't even started to go wrong with the game !
A horrible soulless disreputable entity of an organisation and the antithesis of Aston Villa, bracket them with Dirty Leeds.
Apart from the highly important matter of creating a nine point gap between us and Spurz, we need to absolutely slaughter these London big time charlies to at least contribute to returning them permanently to their pre-Abramovich rubbishness.
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Mind you they play away at Arsenal tomorrow so a good twatting and some red cards plus a few little injuries wouldn't be a disaster.
No no, as having restricted choice may make Pochettino stumble upon picking a decent team. He needs full squad available to make a mess.
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Don't do it boss, don't play Luiz and Youri in the middle. I don't give much of a shit who is left out, I just want McGinn in there. I'd start Youri further forward instead of Diaby but I'm not too fussed eitherway.
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McGinn has been brilliant in the middle, he needs to stay there as Edgy rightly says.
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McGinn has been brilliant in the middle, he needs to stay there as Edgy rightly says.
It has to be McGinn and Dougie with Tielemans in the advanced role. Youri's passing in that space is crucial, and although he has done well the last couple of games, he doesn't have the engine that the other two have.
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I really think we ought to play all three. We'll need that extra control.
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Tough one this, they remain spawny twats.
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Seems Palmer has the shits and will probably be out tomorrow. So no injury or red card opportunity for him to miss our game, unless it is more serious and he is out all week.
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Hopefully he'll be feeling drained.
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There recent results are a mixed bag, getting good results against better teams, beating Man Utd (better team…I know), beating Newcastle and drawing away at Man City, but then only drawing to Brentford, Sheffield Utd and Burnley. Maybe just the inconsistency of a young side or maybe a bunch of prima donas, who can’t be arsed raising their game against perceived inferior opposition.
If the later is the case and as we saw first hand in the cup replay, they may well come and give us a game. However, it feels like we have some momentum to finish off a brilliant season really well. Our most frequent winning scoreline at home in the league this season is 3-1 (4 times). I’ll go for that again.
Watkins (2), Luiz (pen).
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
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Palmer is excellent, keep him quiet and we will be ok.
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
Given how many minutes some players have played over the last week, I think it's quite likely Luiz will be back in the team.
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
Given how many minutes some players have played over the last week, I think it's quite likely Luiz will be back in the team.
We've got a whole week off though. Luiz played at Lille and we lost the game and he didn't play well.
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
Given how many minutes some players have played over the last week, I think it's quite likely Luiz will be back in the team.
We've got a whole week off though.
And then we have 3 games in 8 days.
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
Given how many minutes some players have played over the last week, I think it's quite likely Luiz will be back in the team.
We've got a whole week off though. Luiz played at Lille and we lost the game and he didn't play well.
Yes but leaving aside a couple of games recently, Luiz has easily been one of our best players across the whole season and really since Emery came in, for me probably alongside Watkins, Bailey and McGinn, Torres as well.
Until this suspension he’s played nearly every minute of every game, he’s entitled to a little dip every now and again, but there is no way he comes out of the side if available.
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I think this could be tough. Chelsea have been playing pretty well, and they tonked us in the cup. They all are, but another massive game. If we win it I think we’re pretty much there.
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I suspect it will depend if it is finishing Chelsea or not even a barn door Chelsea who turns up. However as they went 7 games scoring at least two and conceding at least two, It might be who can outscore the other team.
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Arsenal and Chelsea play tomorrow evening so can expect some rotation and maybe even injuries or suspension come Saturday match.
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I don't see Luiz getting back in the team unless he drops Diaby .
Given how many minutes some players have played over the last week, I think it's quite likely Luiz will be back in the team.
We've got a whole week off though. Luiz played at Lille and we lost the game and he didn't play well.
Yes but leaving aside a couple of games recently, Luiz has easily been one of our best players across the whole season and really since Emery came in, for me probably alongside Watkins, Bailey and McGinn, Torres as well.
Until this suspension he’s played nearly every minute of every game, he’s entitled to a little dip every now and again, but there is no way he comes out of the side if available.
I suspect Diaby or Bailey (knee injury?) will make way for Luiz and the midfield will be beefed up a bit. Hope we have Zaniolo back on the bench too.
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Should be an unchanged starting line up for us.
They all deserve it.
Strange how Dougie was much maligned for getting his booking and his ban and yet we have won the 2 games he has missed.
I love dougie, but he slows the game down too much for me sometimes. It’s noticeable we have played with a little more ‘zip’ while he has been out.
To great effect.
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When we signed Tielemans I read it as competition for Luiz and I'm still seeing it that way . When Tielemans is on it he's the better player for me .
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Ah Dougie is the new player to get criticised. He’s not in the best of form, but he is absolutely fantastic and at his best is a definite starter for me.
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I wouldn't state he is being criticised, just most people wondering if he should come straight back in being as the team did so well without him. And with added caveat that it needs to be McGinn AND Tielemans/Luiz as midfield and not Tielemans and Luiz with McGinn elsewhere.
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Ah Dougie is the new player to get criticised. He’s not in the best of form, but he is absolutely fantastic and at his best is a definite starter for me.
‘At his best’ he’s a definite starter for everyone.
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I heard cole palmers picked up a injury. If true thats great news as i think we will beat them if they have no palmer
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This will be a tough game but I reckon we will sneak it 2-1.
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When we signed Tielemans I read it as competition for Luiz and I'm still seeing it that way . When Tielemans is on it he's the better player for me .
This is a classic example of recency bias.
Good to see Tielemans has picked it up in recent weeks as he was carried by the likes of Luiz for the rest of the season. Luiz next to Tielemans leaves us far too open and his form has suffered a bit in recent weeks. But games at home to Man United, Man City, away at Chelsea...he ran the show.
Watkins will be our POTY this season but Luiz is probably second. Then the likes of Martinez and Bailey after.
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I heard cole palmers picked up a injury. If true thats great news as i think we will beat them if they have no palmer
Not an injury, he's sick.
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When we signed Tielemans I read it as competition for Luiz and I'm still seeing it that way . When Tielemans is on it he's the better player for me .
This is a classic example of recency bias.
Good to see Tielemans has picked it up in recent weeks as he was carried by the likes of Luiz for the rest of the season. Luiz next to Tielemans leaves us far too open and his form has suffered a bit in recent weeks. But games at home to Man United, Man City, away at Chelsea...he ran the show.
Watkins will be our POTY this season but Luiz is probably second. Then the likes of Martinez and Bailey after.
It's not recency bias , I'm also referencing Tielemans time at Leicester and with Belgium . Overall I have Tielemans as just above Luiz .
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I heard cole palmers picked up a injury. If true thats great news as i think we will beat them if they have no palmer
Just a poorly tummy apparently so could well be back for our match
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Obviously it would be nice if we win and Arsenal beat Sours, and we stroll towards clinching 4th. However it's Villa, so I expect a bump in the road at some stage, and this might be it. I'll go for a 2-2 draw as I did pre-Bournemouth, and hope I'm wrong again.
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Momentum and confidence are with us , plus players back. Play well and we win , we are better than them all over the pitch . Palmer being the only player who'd get in our team .
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Hopefully, another cracker under the lights.
3-2 win
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Chelsea score plenty of goals, we need to try and limit that. Even against Citeh they should have had plenty.
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Since February Luiz has been asked to play a deeper role, which is not his best position. It's noticeable his impact on games has dropped since Kamara got injured. He still walks into the team though, probably at the expense of Diaby. Other than that, it's the same team as Sunday.
We need to show more intent than we did in the cup game.
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We owe them for that debacle in the Cup but that was entirely our fault for just not turning up.
I think Sat will be different, the KO time is fucking crackers but there we go. They are slowly getting better so it will be tough and I can see a stalemate coming. May be luck will intervene and we get over the line but I can see a few goals either way. It will classed as "entertaining" while every Villa fan will read it as "disappointing".
2-2
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They've drawn recent away games with both Sheffield United and Man City, so hard to predict which Chelsea is going to turn up.
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I think this ones ending in a draw. Glad luiz is back as we will need him.
I think if we stop palmer we stop chelsea. They are literally nothing without him
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In the cup replay, they killed us with pace behind our full backs as Cash and Moreno were so advanced. A more disciplined Cash (or even Konsa) and a naturally more defensive Digne should help on Saturday.
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Tough one this, they remain spawny twats.
Agreed!
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In the cup replay, they killed us with pace behind our full backs as Cash and Moreno were so advanced. A more disciplined Cash (or even Konsa) and a naturally more defensive Digne should help on Saturday.
I also think we really were not that bothered going out tbh.we had the league and euope to focus on. Dont think we played as well for that reason. Id be suprised if we played that poorly again saturday
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Rubbish K.O time btw
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Rubbish K.O time btw
Awful. Probably the worst.
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I think the kick off time might work in our favour, everyone a few pints down and up for it should make for a lively atmosphere.
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I think the kick off time might work in our favour, everyone a few pints down and up for it should make for a lively atmosphere.
Agreed, I expect Villa Park to be rocking for the last Saturday home game of the season.
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3-1. Looking forward to watching in the William Garland, the sole claret in a sea of blue...
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Gallagher ran the show up here in the cup so we need to stop his runs in behind where he had the freedom of VP in the cup.
Win this and it is done as i think Arsenal will beat Spursy Spurs
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Chelsea played well against Man City last weekend. Arguably they should've won the game. This will be tough as they've looked better recently. However, Palmer misses tonight's game at Arsenal through injury according to reports, so he might not face us on Saturday - hopefully! I'd say a close 2-1 win to Villa.
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He's got the squits. Probably from worrying about facing us at the weekend.
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
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0-2
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
Erm this is wrong surely.......
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Yes, if they win 5 they'll be on 75 points.
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Yeah what. Are we confused with Man Utd?
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
Erm this is wrong surely.......
They've got 60 points with 6 games left, but 4 are against Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. If we get to 69 points with a win against Chelsea, i think they'll be hard pushed to get 3 wins and a draw from their last 6 and that's assuming we don't get any more points. So i would say we'd be all but there, lose our last 3 and it might become a question though (hence the monumental fuck up comment) !
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I say we just win every game, much simpler.
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I know we flopped against them in the cup but our away game against them earlier in the season was tough too. Arguably their red card is what allowed us to win it eventually.
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I know we flopped against them in the cup but our away game against them earlier in the season was tough too. Arguably their red card is what allowed us to win it eventually.
Yep we have been 2nd best in both games. Only game i would say we matched them was 1st cup game. Definitely be great of we tyrn up foe this one as i think we can blow them away if we play as we know we can
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It's going to be tough, they are 4th for a reason.
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I say we just win every game, much simpler.
Yep that’ll do the job and in both our home games we owe Chelsea and Liverpool for the spanking they gave us.
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I say we just win every game, much simpler.
It's the only way to be sure.
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
Erm this is wrong surely.......
Apologies I clearly can't count. Just win all of them that makes it easier
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Chelsea without Palmer are nothing.
He’s unavailable for the game this evening vs Arsenal
Hopefully also be missing on Saturday
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It's going to be tough, they are 4th for a reason.
Eh?
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It's going to be tough, they are 4th for a reason.
Eh?
Look back at comments made by Chelsea’s bell end manager about where the stats suggest they should be in the table.
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Anybody think that Chelsea have wrote this one off and fancy their chances more against us Saturday? Maybe that explains Palmers omission….
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Anybody think that Chelsea have wrote this one off and fancy their chances more against us Saturday? Maybe that explains Palmers omission….
I believe it's been reported that he's ill.
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As a Villa fan I create many conspiracies 🤦♂️
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We will dispose of Chelsea without too much bother. Onwards and upwards as ever.
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Hopefully this smashing by Arsenal increases the rifts in the squad and we can take advantage on Saturday.
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Unfortunately chelsea wont be this shit saturday ffs
So annoying
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Unfortunately chelsea wont be this shit saturday ffs
So annoying
Who told you?
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Unfortunately chelsea wont be this shit saturday ffs
So annoying
Who told you?
Poch.
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We beat Arsenal quite easily. Then they beat Chelsea quite easily, so that means Chelsea will suddenly be really good and we will struggle. Not sure how that works.
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Unfortunately chelsea wont be this shit saturday ffs
So annoying
Who told you?
Poch.
He told them to “go out and prove they’re not Cole Palmer FC” tonight. Don’t think we should be listening to him.
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This Arsenal game shows you need to get at Chelsea to expose all their vulnerabilities.
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Chelsea have the buckets and spades out and the windbreaker up .
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Chelsea performance tonight is a reaction to their cup semi final defeat on Saturday, a tough game, and being without their best player. They'll be much more up for it on Saturday.
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Yeah? So will Villa.
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I'm noy going to worry too much about a side that's 19 points behind us and is currently getting absolutely twatted at a ground we won at just over a week ago.
People worried there'll be a reaction would probably be just as worried if they were winning 5-0.
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I know we flopped against them in the cup but our away game against them earlier in the season was tough too. Arguably their red card is what allowed us to win it eventually.
Yep we have been 2nd best in both games. Only game i would say we matched them was 1st cup game. Definitely be great of we tyrn up foe this one as i think we can blow them away if we play as we know we can
We really weren’t second best when we beat them 1-0.
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They have not kept a clean sheet in their last 13 away games.
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Can’t see there being a reaction, it’s not like Pochetino will be there past the end of May.
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They have not kept a clean sheet in their last 13 away games.
Don’t hex it!!
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72 hours ago people were shitting themselves that Bournemouth were headed to town. Keep Calm and Trust Emery.
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Just go for the throat right from the start and we will win the match. Don’t need too much of us playing around at the back, go for it and get our goal difference up.
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Chelsea are a group of individual egos and attitudes.
There appears to be no ‘team’ there whatsoever.
If we can get the first goal, I think we could win comfortably.
The only players there worth their salt are Palmer and I quite like Gallagher. He deserves better than Chelsea.
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They're selling Gallagher in the summer, aren't they? So he probably will do better for himself next season.
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Can’t see there being a reaction, it’s not like Pochetino will be there past the end of May.
Their players would also have to give a shit in order for there to be a reaction, and there’s little evidence that they do (except about their bank balances.)
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They're selling Gallagher in the summer, aren't they? So he probably will do better for himself next season.
Is he the twat who chops his socks apart before the game .
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They're selling Gallagher in the summer, aren't they? So he probably will do better for himself next season.
Is he the twat who chops his socks apart before the game .
No, that's Jacob Ramsey.
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Anybody think that Chelsea have wrote this one off and fancy their chances more against us Saturday? Maybe that explains Palmers omission….
https://twitter.com/WilliamHill/status/1782871098549240173
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Just go for the throat right from the start and we will win the match. Don’t need too much of us playing around at the back, go for it and get our goal difference up.
But this is how we play, we don't play it around at the back for 'fun'. It has a purpose, it moves their players around and allows to look for and find gaps to pass into. It might Unai has a plan to mix it up a bit, like we did to beat Newcastle last year, or with the earlier and longer balls to Zaniolo against Arsenal, but being patient and moving it around at the back is how we play, we "need" as much of it as Unai deems appropriate. And in most cases that's "quite a lot". :-)
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Indeed, playing that way is why we don't look absolutely shagged at this stage of the season.
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I think Chelsea will beat us. Not for any logical reason. Just because being a Villa fan means I have a pathological aversion to optimism. ON the bright side you can get 10-1 on the double, Chelsea to win and Spurs to win. Get a tenner on it.
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I think Chelsea will beat us. Not for any logical reason. Just because being a Villa fan means I have a pathological aversion to optimism. ON the bright side you can get 10-1 on the double, Chelsea to win and Spurs to win. Get a tenner on it.
If you study every post on any H&V pre-match thread you will find that every opponent after a heavy defeat will be dangerous/wounded/up for it/difficult/have a point to prove/always do well against us/or any host of reasons for why we could well fail. It's just the way it is.
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Scummy Chelski lost 5-0 to The Arse. I expect nothing less than a 7-0 win and then Spurzzz to shit the bed against The Arse and lose maybe 3-0. That should wrap up 4th place.
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Arsenal looked good last night which is great, carry that into the weekend and keep Citeh at it until the final week. Mind you, seeing that table showing time between games I can see part-time Spurs blowing up having to play twice a week and it getting sorted before then, which would be nice.
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As much as Woolwich played well, things went their way, if Chelsea's first half chance had gone the other side of the post things may have been different. It's their ability to cope with setbacks that worries me on Sunday. They were just a big bunch of sulky teenagers when we stood up to them.
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Yeah, but that's because they all know deep down they fucked up with our manager and keeper and resistance is futile.
They hate Spurs, and Spurs are Spurs and not in any way a similar proposition to the mighty Aston Villa.
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As much as Woolwich played well, things went their way, if Chelsea's first half chance had gone the other side of the post things may have been different. It's their ability to cope with setbacks that worries me on Sunday. They were just a big bunch of sulky teenagers when we stood up to them.
I do like a counterfactual as much as the next man, but Arsenal tore Chelsea a new one. Odegaard was unplayable. Rice was majestic, Even Havertz looked like a proper player. Chelsea were very, very poor. I don't think a goal would have changed that.
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I hope we beat these 8-0 - i cannot stand Chelsea
Knowing us that Jackson who cannot hit a barn door, will probably have the game of his Chelsea career and score a hat-trick.
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Well, we beat Arsenal 2-0 and they beat Chelsea 5-0 so we should be able to expect 7-0.
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
Erm this is wrong surely.......
Was he talking about Spurs, ManUre or Chelsea?!
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Win this and it is done
Most likely. It would take a monumental cock up thereafter to lose out.
Or a superhuman effort from the biggest bottlers in the league
If we lost every game from now till end of season - not a single point
They would need to win at at the very least 5 and draw one with over turning a 5 goal GD to get to our current 66 points
Thats beating in order 5 of Arsenal, Chelsea, P.Lop, Burnley and Man city rounding off with a Sheff utd
Completely in our hands - beat Chelsea and we have 69 points and they cannot catch us with 3 games to spare
Erm this is wrong surely.......
Was he talking about Spurs, ManUre or Chelsea?!
He usually talks about Man U. Usually referring to them as Manure/Red Scum/*******.
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I think he talks about Man Utd more than most Man Utd fans do.
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Well we need to start well this time unlike the cup game
They still create a lot of chances though they concede a lot.
I can see them pipping us 2.3
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Can only see Spurs getting 8 points now . Win Saturday night and it's done .
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I think he talks about Man Utd more than most Man Utd fans do.
Apologies - but yes i do - it is a sickness but i loathe them - even more than your average Nose hates us
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I think he talks about Man Utd more than most Man Utd fans do.
Apologies - but yes i do - it is a sickness but i loathe them - even more than your average Nose hates us
No Apology Required .
(sounds like a Phil Collins album) .
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I think he talks about Man Utd more than most Man Utd fans do.
Apologies - but yes i do - it is a sickness but i loathe them - even more than your average Nose hates us
No Apology Required .
(sounds like a Phil Collins album) .
Phil Collins owes us all plenty of apologies.
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Seems there is still quite a few tickets for Saturday. Seems people are more interested in the olympiakos game and the ko time
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Saturday 8pm will rule lots out due to commuting issues . It's a stupid KO time .
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Chelsea have never been that big a draw down at VP.
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Chelsea have never been that big a draw down at VP.
Or indeed at Stamford Bridge.
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There's a handful of returns that have been put on.
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TV and LG must be sold out then.
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Seems there is still quite a few tickets for Saturday. Seems people are more interested in the olympiakos game and the ko time
The £30 difference in ticket pricing is probably motivsting that too.
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Seems there is still quite a few tickets for Saturday. Seems people are more interested in the olympiakos game and the ko time
The £30 difference in ticket pricing is probably motivsting that too.
Not a smart decision by the club tbh. With the conference league game too. If anything they should have reduced the ticket prices for this game.
If it was a 5.30 ko id have gone but 8pm then tarvelling back tp london at 11pm i wouldny get home until at least 1 or 2am. Just not for me on this occasion
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I know quite a few ST holders who won't be going. I'd be thinking twice myself, but we have mates coming over from Derry so we're making an afternoon and night of it.
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We can't make this, have listed seats back with AVFC . No idea if they've shifted or not . Terrible KO time .
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£58.50 being the cheapest adult ticket available might have something to do with it as well. £60+ in most areas of the ground.
Think we will see those kind of prices as standard next season and I think it will leave a lot of people with a decision to make unfortunately.
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Weirdly nervous about this one. It's the exact type of game that the villa of old would balls up and gift a struggling team a win. Here's hoping my built-in pessimism gets roundly mocked on saturday night.
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Another one who's nervous about this one, mainly because of the grief I'll get from brother-in-law and nephew if we lose.
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The game must have sold out if they are letting ST holders list their seats.
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this could easily be a massacre if Villa start well. Watching MOTD last night Chelsea players seemed to have a FA cup hangover and look like they've stopped fighting for their manager. Mid table with nothing to play for and possible divisions in the camp if their embarrassing penalty arguments are anything to go by.
Apart from Palmer wheres the danger? Manuake had a good game at Villa Park last time Sterlings on his way down
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Historically not a great team for us to play at home, only two wins in the last 10 years the rest were defeats. Whether that counts for much I don’t know?
Edit: Obviously we weren’t in the Prem for a spell so 6 defeats and 2 wins.
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Enzo Fernandes is out for the rest of the season, apparently, which is good news.
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Enzo Fernandes is out for the rest of the season, apparently, which is good news.
I struggle to see the hype around this player. He’s decent on occasions but more often than not you forget he’s even playing.
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Enzo Fernandes is out for the rest of the season, apparently, which is good news.
I struggle to see the hype around this player. He’s decent on occasions but more often than not you forget he’s even playing.
Isn't that 90% of the Chelsea team?
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Remember we did lose a cup replay that we had been expecting to win, at home to them. Yeah it's one we need to very much not take for granted. If we don't go in assuming we'll win then I think we will win
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Weirdly nervous about this one. It's the exact type of game that the villa of old would balls up and gift a struggling team a win. Here's hoping my built-in pessimism gets roundly mocked on saturday night.
Feel exactly the same. Chelsea are a weirdly chaotic side, they generally err towards being hopeless but they are capable of strong displays.
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Palmer is obviously a big threat. But specifically for us Madueke is a threat - when we struggle it’s often failing to stop crosses coming in and he’s tricky to deal with. We just need to be right at it.
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Please just win Villa....my sister's family will be unbearable if that lot beat us...
UTV
The Doc
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Weirdly nervous about this one. It's the exact type of game that the villa of old would balls up and gift a struggling team a win. Here's hoping my built-in pessimism gets roundly mocked on saturday night.
Feel exactly the same. Chelsea are a weirdly chaotic side, they generally err towards being hopeless but they are capable of strong displays.
Very similar to man u.
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Presume it is on TV, hence the ridiculous KO time?
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I'll be at my brother's stag. He's a Chelsea fan. I'm the best man. I'm a Vill-an!
Hopefully the rest of the party will have enough of the day's "activities" bollocks and we can all sit down in a pub and laugh at how bad Chelsea are.
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A win means Newton Heath can't catch up despite as much help as they like from VAR / Penandez / Rat Boy / Meals on Wheels .
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A win means Newton Heath can't catch up despite as much help as they like from VAR / Penandez / Rat Boy / Meals on Wheels .
They’re not catching us regardless of what happens on Saturday. We need to win to pile the pressure on Spurs.
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The game must have sold out if they are letting ST holders list their seats.
Yeah just checked and our seats have sold already .
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There's a load still at the back of the UT in A2 that I believe are the LG tickets. But thanks for the heads-up, I popped on to see and saw one available very near our seats, so I'm getting to take the nipper to a rare league game.
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Fernandez out for the season.
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Fernandez out for the season.
Thats good news for us tbh. He is a big midfielder player for them. Hopefully coles out but i think he will be back
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Ashley or Joe?
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Porter
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Nat King
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
I was going to make a joke here, but it would be in bad taste.
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Palmer has returned to training today.
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Fernandez out for the season.
It is good news as whether you rate him or not he's been playing much better the last few weeks .
Maybe Chucklebros will fill in .
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
Shame, we will just have to beat 11 men then.
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Palmer is really good at Stamford Bridge majority of his goals are scored there.
I think he'll have a better game against Spurs that he will against us!
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Palmer has returned to training today.
We shouldnt fear palmer. We have more than one player they shouldworry about.
Just stop palmer and we won this game i think
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
The last thing we need is Ginny getting sent off again !
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Fuck Chelsea and Cole Palmer.
I seriously think Emery is that good a manager he’s held a bit back for a late season charge, as per last season.
Last two PL games we’ve looked bloody good and back to our early season form. I’m confidently predicting a really strong end to the season ending in a comfortable 4th place finish and glory in Athens on the 29th May.
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
From the highlights I have seen, Palmer mostly comes in from their midfield right so more one of Digne, Rogers, Tielemans or Torres who need to pick up his runs.
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Rodgers missed the cup game and from what i remember he caused them problems in the cup game when playing for boro.
Lets hope for the same saturday night.
Im gonna be honest i think we should save bailey for olympiakos and bring him on as sub if need be
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
The last thing we need is Ginny getting sent off again !
He won't get sent off for keeping him in his back pocket all game .
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I didnt realise Palmer was Lionel Messi all of a sudden.
Good player but we have 11 plus good players .
I think Id look good playing in that team.
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Rodgers missed the cup game and from what i remember he caused them problems in the cup game when playing for boro.
Lets hope for the same saturday night.
Im gonna be honest i think we should save bailey for olympiakos and bring him on as sub if need be
No he didn't, but Rogers did.
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Rodgers missed the cup game and from what i remember he caused them problems in the cup game when playing for boro.
Lets hope for the same saturday night.
Im gonna be honest i think we should save bailey for olympiakos and bring him on as sub if need be
No he didn't, but Rogers did.
Im.doing it deliberately =]
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Fuck Chelsea and Cole Palmer.
I seriously think Emery is that good a manager he’s held a bit back for a late season charge, as per last season.
Last two PL games we’ve looked bloody good and back to our early season form. I’m confidently predicting a really strong end to the season ending in a comfortable 4th place finish and glory in Athens on the 29th May.
Yes to all of this, we're sprinting down the home straight.
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
From the highlights I have seen, Palmer mostly comes in from their midfield right so more one of Digne, Rogers, Tielemans or Torres who need to pick up his runs.
I wonder if Unai will designate one of them to keep C.P. company.
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Palmer has returned to training today.
Add this to McGinn's to do list .
From the highlights I have seen, Palmer mostly comes in from their midfield right so more one of Digne, Rogers, Tielemans or Torres who need to pick up his runs.
I wonder if Unai will designate one of them to keep C.P. company.
Get the badge in lad .
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I didnt realise Palmer was Lionel Messi all of a sudden.
He is an exceptional player and without him they are very ordinary.
He was the best player on the pitch when we played them in the cup.
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It's all relative though, he is no better than De Bruyne, Odegaard, Maddison, it's just they play in better teams. We've done ok against such teams this season let's not psych ourselves out here.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Those of A Certain Age would come out in a cold sweat if we were linked to Palmer.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Mental!
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I didnt realise Palmer was Lionel Messi all of a sudden.
He is an exceptional player and without him they are very ordinary.
He was the best player on the pitch when we played them in the cup.
He is a very good player. But in that squad he's surrounded by good players, and for whatever reason, they haven't clicked as a team (bar the odd game like our cup replay). What we need is the sort of disjointed performance they've been putting in all season, and not the sort they delivered on their last visit to VP. I do think Unai will be using the cup replay very heavily this week to motivate the players (not that they should need extra motivation at this stage of the season).
If we get the first one, it could be a very good evening for us. Despite Arsenal's hammering, they're still only 6 points from a European spot, with a very reasonable run-in, so that will be their own motivation.
If we play our best, we'll win, of that I'm sure.
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Foden is the better player, I'm convinced of that. He's performing brilliantly for City this season, but he's not getting the standout performances you're seeing from Palmer for precisely the same reason Grealish looks ordinary at Man City - their style doesn't suit flair players. It never has. If Foden was at any other top-6 team, I bet he'd be up there with Bellingham in terms of global recognition. He has double figures for goals and assists, and is only 2 goals behind Ollie in all competitions, despite not playing as a forward. City are extremely lucky to have him. If he hadn't come through their academy, city would be spending £100m to buy him, I'm certain of it.
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Foden's a couple of years older than Palmer, which probably makes a difference.
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Palmer over Foden is crazy.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Those of A Certain Age would come out in a cold sweat if we were linked to Palmer.
C Palmer you say ???
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Mental!
Indeed.
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Yeah, but that's why Rigadon is paid the big bucks, he's not afraid to say th things you're all scared of.
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Yeah, but that's why Rigadon is paid the big bucks, he's not afraid to say th things you're all scared of.
I am with Rigadon
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I doubt Man City wanted him to go but a mix of Palmer wanting to leave for game time and the PSR of selling a youth player for that much is why he went.
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I doubt Man City wanted him to go but a mix of Palmer wanting to leave for game time and the PSR of selling a youth player for that much is why he went.
I like to think he wanted to leave because he thought Pep was an overbearing twat, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
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I doubt Man City wanted him to go but a mix of Palmer wanting to leave for game time and the PSR of selling a youth player for that much is why he went.
I like to think he wanted to leave because he thought Pep was an overbearing twat, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
There’s plenty of evidence without having to look too hard
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I doubt Man City wanted him to go but a mix of Palmer wanting to leave for game time and the PSR of selling a youth player for that much is why he went.
I like to think he wanted to leave because he thought Pep was an overbearing twat, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
There’s plenty of evidence without having to look too hard
All 3 sides above us in the table are managed by objectionable tossers.
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Hawksbee and Jacob’s harping on about Chelsea injury list when reviewing tomorrow’s game.
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They got Palmer and then Gallagher etc we have Dougie, McGinn, Tielemans, Bailey, Ollie, Diaby….feck em basically
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I can't imagine Unai is cacking his plus-twos over the impending visit of Palmer. They're a mid-table team (despite being in 4th) and we will beat them routinely.
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It's going to be a tough fight between actual 4th and data points to 4th.
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All 3 sides above us in the table are managed by objectionable tossers.
Despite managing 3 horrible clubs, Poch does seem a likeable enough chap in comparison.
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
I was going to make a joke here, but it would be in bad taste.
Boom tish!
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
I was going to make a joke here, but it would be in bad taste.
Boom tish!
Thank you, I thought it might go totally unnoticed!
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
I was going to make a joke here, but it would be in bad taste.
Boom tish!
Thank you, I thought it might go totally unnoticed!
I did a respectful nod in private
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Fernandez out for the season.
Gusto is out too and he’s a big player for them.
I was going to make a joke here, but it would be in bad taste.
Boom tish!
Thank you, I thought it might go totally unnoticed!
I did a respectful nod in private
Same here.
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Is our expected XG better than theirs ? Been eating me up this .
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Yeah, but that's why Rigadon is paid the big bucks, he's not afraid to say th things you're all scared of.
I'm just doing my job, and I don't care whose feathers I rustle.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Mental!
Haha! I don't massively rate Foden - I know I'm in the minority though.
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Those of A Certain Age would come out in a cold sweat if we were linked to Palmer.
Indeed!
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I think he's thrived in a kind of 'Grealish with us' role where he's free to be the fulcrum of that rabble and he's thriving with the responsibility much like the greasy one did.
He wouldn't maybe get that chance in a better organised team. He is a bloody good player though.
Yes , Citeh had to choose between Phil the Chav Foden or him. Chavy looks good in a great team whereas Palmer looks brilliant in that rabble.
If I had to choose, I'd take Palmer over Foden.
Those of A Certain Age would come out in a cold sweat if we were linked to Palmer.
Indeed!
C. Palmer. Signed every summer for about 5 years.
Shudders.
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Favoured England international. I don't know why we didn't get him.
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I doubt Man City wanted him to go but a mix of Palmer wanting to leave for game time and the PSR of selling a youth player for that much is why he went.
They actually got rid of a few players for big money (and Rogers) last summer. Looking back, I didn't realise Southampton seem to spend big buying ex-Citeh kids two seasons ago (almost £50mil) and even this season with a £10mil spend.
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Is the coach thing happening again tomorrow , really enjoyed that .
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4-1 Win.
Chelsea have conceded in their last 13 away matches and have conceded 15 goals in their last 6 Premier League away matches
Watkins to score two, Roger and Bailey.
Starting:
Martinez
Konsa, Carlos, Torres, Digne
Bailey, McGinn, Luiz, Tielemans, Rodgers
Watkins
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Ladies and Gentlemen . Look towards the sky tonight. The stars are aligning .
UTFV .
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Chelsea have won just 1 of 9 away matches at sides in the top 12 with that victory coming against 9-man Spurs.
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Yeah but neither had Yanited and look how that turned out.
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Yeah but neither had Yanited and look how that turned out.
Yes and there was that FA Cup game….
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Looking forward to this. Should be a decent atmosphere and hopefully Chelsea continue to play as if they've given up. I'll go for 4-2.
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Chelsea have won just 1 of 9 away matches at sides in the top 12 with that victory coming against 9-man Spurs.
great, we know whats happening tonight then....
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Chelsea have won just 1 of 9 away matches at sides in the top 12 with that victory coming against 9-man Spurs.
great, we know whats happening tonight then....
We would have known whats happening against Villa a few years ago but we've got to change our mentality now. This is Villa with dare I say the best Coach in League, some fantastic players and currently the best striker in the league.
That might not win us the game but you've got to believe were going into this match strong favourites and full of confidence.
Oh and could I forget the best keeper in the world.
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The Chelsea FA Cup defeat keeps nagging me. They dominated us that day.
Good thing is, Unai will know it, analyse the match left, right and center and am confident he will make the necessary tweaks.
2-1 to the Boys in C&B.
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That cup defeat came at the point we were probably lowest all season. That's not the case now.
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That cup defeat came at the point we were probably lowest all season. That's not the case now.
True, but our line up that day was pretty strong:
Damian Martinez
Matty Cash
Silva Diego Carlos
Clement Lenglet
Lopera Alex Moreno
Boubacar Kamara
Douglas Luiz
Leon Bailey
Youri Tielemans
John McGinn
Ollie Watkins
But with possibly Konsa and Pau playing our defence should be a lot stronger today.
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Damian, Silva and Lopera? No wonder we lost with imposters like those.
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We owe them one after the FA cup game where they looked the best team in the country at times and could have done us by four or five. If i was a Chelsea fan i'd want to know why they dont play like that every game. Lets hope they dont repeat the feat tonight.
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We are going to BATTER these so hard they'll think they're in the Bell Lane Fish Shop. I know this because I be THERE. FTF!
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Moreno and Zaniolo both unavailable.
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The Managers approach to Europe and the League, compared to the domestic cup competitions is like chalk and cheese. The latter always appears rather half arsed, not quite focused and careless.
I'm hoping that this will see a vastly different approach and result.
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Agreed, i think it was a conscious decision ti take it easy in the domestic cups.
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Damian, Silva and Lopera? No wonder we lost with imposters like those.
Yep, I 'copied and pasted' it from some site.
Damian is Emi's first name.
'The Devil' :)
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That cup defeat came at the point we were probably lowest all season. That's not the case now.
I would also argue that Chelsea were a cup team for most of the season. ie they can lift their game in the one off cups (final and semi final appearances this year when they finally failed) but not so much for the league games. Of course they could still do it for the occasional league game as well but we will see.
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Agreed, i think it was a conscious decision ti take it easy in the domestic cups.
We also fell foul to the any touch is handball whether accidental or intentional in the initial game.
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Which just three months later seems to have changed.
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Which just three months later seems to have changed.
Has it? The West Ham delay was to see if the ball had hit Bowen on the arm or if he had touched it at all after Soucek. Once it was determined he had the last touch AND it hadn't hit Bowen on the arm, then they had to send the ref to the screen for his judgement on whether Soucek had deliberately hand balled it, (which he obviously had but is not a VAR decision to make.)
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Grealish in the semi final?
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I don't think we've got a weaker back four available than the one that played in the Cup game.
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They are capable of upping their game. We're a good side who've played well of late. Should be good game.
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It's weird, I find these games at the top end of the table way more stressful than when we were fighting relegation. It's because we're in touching distance of a genuine achievement and the fear is still there that we'll find a way to bork it up. We're a better, more coherent team than Chelsea but their chaos makes me nervous, like Manure's, we seem to do better against organised, more predictable teams.
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Win tonight, we could be in with a should for 3rd at this rate.
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Grealish in the semi final?
I'm talking about the absolute that any handball by the goal scorer is chalked off no matter what. The ball ricocheted onto Luiz and it was chalked off. Any other handball is subjective.
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They haven't won away in the PL since Dec at Luton.
So I'm going 2-3. :'(
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They haven't won away in the PL since Dec at Luton.
So I'm going 2-3. :'(
This is Unai Emery’s Aston Villa, things are different.
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Win tonight, we could be in with a should for 3rd at this rate.
That would be lovely !
Makes those Man Utd defeats more gauling and that Sheffield Utd draw when could have gone top at Xmas.
Let's say would have learnt from that for next season.
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They won at Palace in Feb.
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They haven't won away in the PL since Dec at Luton.
So I'm going 2-3. :'(
This is Unai Emery’s Aston Villa, things are different.
And this is Chelsea who are not the force they once were!
Last away games
0-5 Arsenal
2-2 Brentford
2-2 Sheffield Utd
To be fair they got a 1-1 draw in away match at Man City but I don't think should fear them!
Chelsea fade in second halves away from home if they even offer any threat tonight it'll be all they can to cope.
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They haven't won away in the PL since Dec at Luton.
So I'm going 2-3. :'(
Chelsea have won just 1 of 9 away matches at sides in the top 12 with that victory coming against 9-man Spurs.
Is more apt
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Is this game on tv?
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TNT.
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Scoring first will be vital…
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Thanks. Zaniolo and Moreno are out.
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I really hope he sticks with the same team.
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I really hope he sticks with the same team.
Me too but I think Luiz will be in and Diaby or Rogers hooked .
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I think at the moment Roger’s has to play, Diaby I’m not so fussed about.
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Would you expect Cash or Konsa at right back ?
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Seems likely Cucurella will start for them
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Diaby dropped for Luiz.
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Same team apart from luiz for Diaby