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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Steve67 on February 11, 2024, 06:32:03 PM
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Not decisive enough up top or at the back.
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I HATE those bastards
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Loads of chances to win it.
Only ourselves to blame sadly.
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Typical Villa
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
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Well lads, there it is. Unai is some coach, but too many injuries in that defence have really destabilised the team. Let's go for fifth and the Conference League and hope England get that extra spot.
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Hope unai can bounce back. We seem fucked though
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Guess finishing sixth is an improvement on finishing seventh.
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Watkins and forwards in general were dreadful in front of goal. Should have buried them. On the plus side, Digne is Back and the performance was much improved compared to much of the last 2 months.
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Hatred that brings a tear to the eye.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
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Just fuck off.
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For some bizarre reason he decided to play for a draw against a team that we were 8 points ahead of.
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Only got ourselves to blame for that. Wasted chance after chance. Lost all momentum with everyone around us hitting form and Emery's substitutions made no sense whatsoever.
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Right on top. Bailey taking them apart. I’m afraid that one’s on Emery.
So frustrating!
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Somehow we conspired to not win by three or four clear goals. We're too nice, and need to add a bit of they shall not pass to our ethos.
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Why the fuck did Bailey go off!!!
Sent the wrong message and cost us the game.
FFS
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I thought we played very well and shown seeds of recovery after a very hard couple of months. We just couldn’t put it away which was strange considering how many goals we have scored this season.
With players coming back from injury I’m actually feeling more confident about how we end this season after that performance. I know we lost, but that’s the rules of law against these wankers.
Onwards and upwards.
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******.
I am totally sure we will finish above these absolute ****** this season. This will be the catalyst for a Stella last third.
Better team throughout. Didn’t take our chances but back to almost our top form.
Stick together and this will galvanise. No defeatism.
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I haven't felt this gutted all season. Same old story against them, they haven't been that good today but still manage to get the usual late goal. We've seen this happen time and time again. What really hurts is it makes last seasons win look like a flash in the pan now. Gutted. Absolutely gutted.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Ramsey wasn’t.
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
Don't understand that substitution at all.
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Yet another match against that lot when the the final whistle is marked by the incoming gloating WhatsApp messages from colleagues. Thanks, Villa.
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Well we played much better than the last two home games and still managed to find a way to lose. We sat off them for 2-3 minutes and paid the price. That said I was greatly encouraged as we were much better. Onwards and upwards.
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To have lost three on the bounce at home after than long unbeaten run is indeed very fucking Villa.
We are too easy to score against and have lost all our efficiency up the other end.
Feels like 1998-9.
Most gutted I have been in a long time.
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Luiz and Ramsey shared multiple chances to win the game. We were far better.. it’s a cruel game.
I’m just about fed up with Diaby, and I’m trying to hold on to any sort of hope given how Bailey has turned around.
Really hoping Kamara isn’t fucked.
Need to win out the rest of the month.
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We're in a mini-slump, with key players off-form or injured...we'll fight our way out of it. Keep the faith. UTV
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Unless he was injured taking Bailey off was a huge mistake
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What I hate is that McTominay wanted that ball so much more than matt cash at the back post. We tried to walk the ball into their net far too many times and lacked that killer punch up front tonight. I thought the subs were odd choices as Diaby and Tielemans offered nothing, unless we are winning. We were the better side but have to find that ruthless streak. As for our defence, another two poor goals conceded and for the first time under Ten Haag, Man Yew beat a top 9 side. Benevolent Villa are back!
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Well lads, there it is. Unai is some coach, but too many injuries in that defence have really destabilised the team. Let's go for fifth and the Conference League and hope England get that extra spot.
Not sure we'll be able to keep Spurs at bay.
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Ramsey was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected. Some of the comments on here are incredulous and most likely knee jerk reactions.
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Why the fuck did Bailey go off!!!
Sent the wrong message and cost us the game.
FFS
I genuinely think Emery bottled it and played for a point at that stage. I'm fuming because of that substitution
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There was only going to be one winner until the ridiculous decision to take Bailey off. That’s our season right there. 6th would’ve been great at the start of the season but it’ll feel like a failure if it happens which it will now. That’s his biggest tactical mistake to date and it’s all coming at the wrong time. Typical fcuking Villa.
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This was nothing like precious capitulation. We were genuinely robbed tonight.
We will definitely finish above Man Utd
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
Yeah terrible decision, Diaby was awful when he came on unfortunately. Luiz scores and we go on and win. Really tight margins. Sickening defeat after a strong performance.
Martinez 7, Cash 4, Carlos 6, Lenglet 5, Moreno 7, Luiz 8, Kamara 7 (Diaby 4), Bailey 7 (Tielemans 6), McGinn 7, Ramsey 7, Watkins 7.
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Right on top. Bailey taking them apart. I’m afraid that one’s on Emery.
So frustrating!
Yep, absolutely ridiculous decision. Looked like we were content at 1-1. Well that's what happens.
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For some bizarre reason he decided to play for a draw against a team that we were 8 points ahead of.
Steady one. Lets not lose sight of the fact we haven;t had it this good since the mid 90s, ok
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Right on top. Bailey taking them apart. I’m afraid that one’s on Emery.
So frustrating!
Yep, poor decisions by Emery.
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
Yeah terrible decision, Diaby was awful when he came on unfortunately. Luiz scores and we go on and win. Really tight margins. Sickening defeat after a strong performance.
Martinez 7, Cash 4, Carlos 6, Lenglet 5, Moreno 7, Luiz 8, Kamara 7 (Diaby 4), Bailey 7 (Tielemans 6), McGinn 7, Ramsey 7, Watkins 7.
Watkins 7? You're having a laugh. Try 3.
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
Yeah terrible decision, Diaby was awful when he came on unfortunately. Luiz scores and we go on and win. Really tight margins. Sickening defeat after a strong performance.
Martinez 7, Cash 4, Carlos 6, Lenglet 5, Moreno 7, Luiz 8, Kamara 7 (Diaby 4), Bailey 7 (Tielemans 6), McGinn 7, Ramsey 7, Watkins 7.
Generous for Watkins.
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Sure as night follows day, we lose to this bunch of twats. We had so many chances and if we'd taken half of them we would've won.
Cannot understand taking Bailey off and putting Diaby on. Bailey didn't have his best game but if he'd had that chance Diaby had I'm sure he would've scored.
After we scored we we pushed hard but then seemed to try to settle for a point when we could've won it.
At least it's over now even though it's ruined my weekend. Thanks Villa.
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Man utd won't catch us with performances like that.
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For some bizarre reason he decided to play for a draw against a team that we were 8 points ahead of.
Steady one. Lets not lose sight of the fact we haven;t had it this good since the mid 90s, ok
And it’s not as good as the early 80’s. What’s your point?
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Ridiculous, Watkins dominated Varane. On another night he gets a hat trick. Ramsey solid game but touch let him on crucial occasions. Best performance on our left flank for weeks.
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For some bizarre reason he decided to play for a draw against a team that we were 8 points ahead of.
Steady one. Lets not lose sight of the fact we haven;t had it this good since the mid 90s, ok
We had more points at this stage under O'Neill. At least old Pubehead waited until March for it all to turn to shit.
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Sorry I am sad now.
That one has really disappointed me.
I feel down.
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Played great for most part. Guttted by the result - wasn’t it always thus - but certainly lots to be optimistic about.
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Manu first goal should’ve have been.
Played them off the park for most.
Special mention for Neville. I thought he was a decent guy. But today never have I ever listened to such a wanker.
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Expected it but disappointed as we should have won easily. With our key defenders missing we were always vulnerable, Carlos is woeful and Lenglet tries but is not Pau. Cash at fault for their winner, got caught behind his man. Another game where we were the better side but lost to individual errors, Ramsey had four or five chances but has not got his sharpness quite there yet.
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Somebody, somewhere needs to explain that Bailey substitute to me. We had them shiting it down the Right at that point and we decided to settle. Got what we deserved.
Yeah terrible decision, Diaby was awful when he came on unfortunately. Luiz scores and we go on and win. Really tight margins. Sickening defeat after a strong performance.
Martinez 7, Cash 4, Carlos 6, Lenglet 5, Moreno 7, Luiz 8, Kamara 7 (Diaby 4), Bailey 7 (Tielemans 6), McGinn 7, Ramsey 7, Watkins 7.
Watkins 7? You're having a laugh. Try 3.
Don’t be ridiculous
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Ramsey was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
Watkins was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
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Unai killed off the momentum with the subs though by then we should have been out of sight.
Very poor defending by Cash once again.
The ref was a twat but didn't lose us the game.
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When we bought Diaby on we could of taken them to the cleaners down that side. So why Unai took off Bailey is an absolute mystery. For the first time since he joined us I'm pretty annoyed with Emery. Having said all that we had gilt edged chances and fluffed our lines so we can't blame Emery for that. Dougies chance to put us 2-1 up was as good as anything we could hope for and he fucking choked. I'm so pissed off right now. Get the beers in someone.
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Feel shite after that
glad they played well villa after the last few home games but ffs put your chances away .
Watkins my girlfriend could have scored that , not good enough .
Losing that is criminal.
oh taking Bailey off ??? he looked good and Diaby sorry waste of money . Might come good in 2027
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Absolutely gutted, but much improved performance.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Ridiculous, Watkins dominated Varane. On another night he gets a hat trick. Ramsey solid game but touch let him on crucial occasions. Best performance on our left flank for weeks.
Not sure what game Ez was watching but I thought they played well.
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When they equalised they had gone to shit and that was the time to bury them but no, we allowed them breathing space and ten minutes to get themselves back together. It was far better than Wednesday but Digne should have been on with 20 to go, Bailey should have stayed on, and we stroll that. It's the lack of belief that will see us finish 6th. Good to see Ramsay get a run out and please God, Torres starts next game. Hey ho, it's the hope that kills you...
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Well lads, there it is. Unai is some coach, but too many injuries in that defence have really destabilised the team. Let's go for fifth and the Conference League and hope England get that extra spot.
Not sure we'll be able to keep Spurs at bay.
Extra spot.
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Manu first goal should’ve have been.
Played them off the park for most.
Special mention for Neville. I thought he was a decent guy. But today never have I ever listened to such a wanker.
He’s taken questionable money for a Henderson type ‘mission’. Not sure he’s ever been ok. Check the roasting he got on Have I got news for you.
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I agree and you’ll see that with the comments I’ve made. Stick to the people who are making some ridiculous comments during and after the game 👍🏻
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Such a disappointing result, four in a row against those utter twats. Positive performance though.
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Bastards. We’ve played worse and lost.
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Well lads, there it is. Unai is some coach, but too many injuries in that defence have really destabilised the team. Let's go for fifth and the Conference League and hope England get that extra spot.
Not sure we'll be able to keep Spurs at bay.
Extra spot.
Not as it stands there isn't.
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Ramsey was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
Watkins was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
How finishing letting him down is to be expected?
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Most of us on here predicted this before the game. We where better than against Newcastle and Chelsea. we did show glimpses of our better selves today - on the positive side that is
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There’s only one way down. We’ll finish 7th or 8th
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We are just not allowed to win these games are we?....The officials see to that.
1st goal for them lot....it was not a free kick.
Then for me there was there an offside (1st phase) in the resulting free kick that was not contested or checked......the other way round and that would have been pulled to pieces for 2 or 3 mins by VAR.
TBH i can't keep up with the laws of the game anymore but the whole Premier League circus stinks of shit.
And as for sly sports coverage......meh at least Merson is there sticking up for us.
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For some bizarre reason he decided to play for a draw against a team that we were 8 points ahead of.
Steady one. Lets not lose sight of the fact we haven;t had it this good since the mid 90s, ok
I’d concentrate on some of the more ridiculous comments on here at the moment 👍🏻 My first season ticket was under Graham Turner so I’ve seen many lows, I have perspective.
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We are just not allowed to win these games are we?....The officials see to that.
1st goal for them lot....it was not a free kick.
Then for me there was there an offside (1st phase) in the resulting free kick that was not contested or checked......the other way round and that would have been pulled to pieces for 2 or 3 mins by VAR.
TBH i can't keep up with the laws of the game anymore but the whole Premier League circus stinks of shit.
And as for sly sports coverage......meh at least Merson is there sticking up for us.
Emery saw to us not winning this game when he decided to take our best player and most potent attacking threat off.
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Imagine growing up in the Midlands and supporting Man Utd.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
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When Bailey is playing this well - by far and away our most dangerous and consistent threat this season - just don’t take him off FFS! Mind boggling substitution.
You don’t see Son / Salah etc being subbed during a home game when they’re on top and going for a win. Such a weird decision that in my opinion cost us the game. We looked like we were going to snatch a win until Bailey went off
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Imagine growing up in the Midlands and supporting Man Utd.
Imagine being a human being and supporting them
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Ramsey wasn’t.
Totally agree….especially good in the first half
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
Absolutely agree 100%
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Emery blew it, he should have worked out that Kamara marking Blakey was not working and then his substitutions took away momentum and gave it to them.
Watkins, you should not sleep well tonight.
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Bastards. We’ve played worse and lost.
Do you mean won?
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Think the main problem is not having our 3 first choice centre backs available. Torres and Konsa instead of Carlos and Lenglet and we win that game. In spite of all our missed chances.
Think we’ll finish above them. We have a 5 point lead and we’re better than them.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
Diaby came on for Kamara, then for 10 minutes Bailey, Cash and Diaby were destroying there left hand side. Then we took Bailey off for whatever reason.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
Seem to be the thing to do on here from what I read. Noticing the positives from the game certainly makes me feel a little better after the disappointment of the game. The negativity on here must make for some miserable Monday mornings 😊
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
Because our record signing is playing like a chump, and Bailey has been our best player for months, and had already set up our goal.
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Some of the comments on here are well over the top, we played well, they were very lucky, thats football. Injuries have come to haunt us and nothing Emery does can cover for that.
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It was a stupid decision by Emery to take off Bailey. Another thing that pissed me off was we kept on pumping corners into the box when it was clearly not working. That one was on MacPhee.
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Bastards. We’ve played worse and lost.
Do you mean won?
Both
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
Diaby came on for Kamara when he went off injured. Bailey and Diaby in combination were causing so many problems down their left hand side.
Emery bought the waste of space Tielemans on for Bailey
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Some of the comments on here are well over the top, we played well, they were very lucky, thats football. Injuries have come to haunt us and nothing Emery does can cover for that.
Totally agree, I’m off. This place brings you down. UTV 😂
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Man utd won't catch us with performances like that.
If you look at their remaining fixtures, I wouldn't be so sure. The only away match you'd reasonably expect them to lose is at the Etihad and whilst Liverpool and Arsenal both have to go to Old Trafford, they also have Everton, Sheffield Utd and Burnley.
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A real sickener of a result. After we equalised I thought there was only one side that would win it. Had enough chances to win 2 games.
Obviously it’s a positive that we played much better than we have lately, but playing well and losing is not a habit I want us to get into.
Very confused by the Bailey sub, I thought he was having plenty of joy down that side.
We’ve had an absolutely shocking run of late, BUT, we’re still only one point off fourth, so it’s all to play for, and the performance today at least showed improvement compared to the last few weeks.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
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Some of the comments on here are well over the top, we played well, they were very lucky, thats football. Injuries have come to haunt us and nothing Emery does can cover for that.
But he did take Bailey off and put Diaby on.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
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And Cash will alway cost us.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
Diaby came on for Kamara when he went off injured. Bailey and Diaby in combination were causing so many problems down their left hand side.
Emery bought the waste of space Tielemans on for Bailey
Unfair on Tielemans.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
Sheffield United are the shittest team to ever be in the Premier League. How about doing something against a rival for the top 5 places?
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
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Of course - we are just mentally gone, how the fuck we failed to win that. Assume Kamara is done for now too.
Completely fucking wasteful and you cannot be conceding 2/3 goals at home on a regular basis.
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*written
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
Sheffield United are the shittest team to ever be in the Premier League. How about doing something against a rival for the top 5 places?
He was superb against Man City at home
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
I honestly think he's a bit of a fair weather player. He wasn't brilliant last week, other than his lovely strike for the goal. When he's good, he can be the heartbeat of the side with deft touches, but since he got injured, he's been really ordinary and we need to get him back to where he was before the injury.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
That’s not his fault though; that’s onEmery.
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Diaby is a chump & Tielemans a waste of space…..apparently
FFS, get behind them!!!!
UTFV
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We will bounce back. Just you see. Keep the faith and UTV
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Despite the loss we were the better team without doubt. Controlled the game and made Utd look very ordinary. Some great performances from 1-11. Hopefully take that form into our next few games.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
He's had what? 1 or 2 good performances in a Villa shirt with the rest being utter dross. Leicester fans weren't disappointed at all to see him go. Can see why
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Ramsey was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
Watkins was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
How finishing letting him down is to be expected?
Hitting it straight at the keeper, how many times do we see him doing it? Sadly it's now no surprise and to be expected.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
That’s not his fault though; that’s onEmery.
agree, the problem was Bailey off and Diaby on.
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We'd have won that game comfortably earlier in the season. The finishing and the defensive frailties really let us down. We never capitalised on their mistakes at the back.
I can only think that Bailey had a knock as otherwise it made no sense.
Although we should have won, we should have been focused as much on not losing it in the last few minutes, as that would have maintained a significant gap.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
That’s not his fault though; that’s onEmery.
agree, the problem was Bailey off and Diaby on.
Diaby did not come on for Bailey.
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Diaby is a chump & Tielemans a waste of space…..apparently
FFS, get behind them!!!!
UTFV
Agree. Seriously. There is a lot of football left to play this season and we will have key players coming back: Konsa, Pau nd maybe even Buendia.
We also have a manager who took us ten games unbeaten from this position last year. If he gets close to that again we will do something we haven't done since 1996.
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That was the end result though.
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
That’s not his fault though; that’s onEmery.
agree, the problem was Bailey off and Diaby on.
Diaby did not come on for Bailey.
I know but we ended up without Bailey and with Diaby.
Which was shit.
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Ramsey was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
Watkins was in the right position time and time again, I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. His finishing let him down but it’s too be expected.
How finishing letting him down is to be expected?
Hitting it straight at the keeper, how many times do we see him doing it? Sadly it's now no surprise and to be expected.
Unfortunately he had one of his games in our biggest match of the season. He can be cynical and he’s had a great season. But today was the bad Watkins we see from time to time. The one thing I’m convinced with about him is that he won’t score if he’s not playing well. He won’t be sh*t and knock one in.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
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Encouraging performance. I still fancy our chances of getting top 4/5 with Torres and Konsa back. Thought Ramsey looked much better this week, him finding form will help us no end, opening up our threat down the left, especially when he starts linking up with Pau. Could be the key to re-discovering our attacking fluidity.
Gutted with the result, but very optimistic.
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I know villa too well than to start getting excited about taking any points against manu.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
Dougie also missed an absolute sitter. So bloody frustrating to lose especially when we had what was it, 10 shots on target to their 5.
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This will be the catalyst for a Stella last third
We have to show a bit more Desire
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Youri wasn't a 'waste of space' last weekend now was he?
Bloody hell
But for Bailey?
That’s not his fault though; that’s onEmery.
agree, the problem was Bailey off and Diaby on.
Diaby did not come on for Bailey.
I know but we ended up without Bailey and with Diaby.
Which was shit.
I agree. Bailey and Diaby together were giving them fits down their left hand side
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
He has to score that.
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Emery should have swapped Bailey to the other wing way earlier
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Emery should have swapped Bailey to the other wing way earlier
Emery did not have a good game.
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Although I’m absolutely gutted, I think there’s loads to be optimistic about and I’m convinced we’ll finish above them. From their first goal to their second we were clearly the better team and created so many chances which any other week go in. Like others on here, was puzzled about the Bailey sub but the criticism of the players that came on is a bit harsh. Ok they are five points BEHIND us but we’ve got plus 18 goals ahead of them. Still think we’ll make 5th
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On the plus side we played much better than we have of late and created a lot of chances.
On the negative side, we wasted nearly all of those chances and coughed up another 2 goals. 3 absolutely key home games in a row and lost them all - which is just weak. Also assume Kamara will probably be out for months now.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Oh come on, man. If you're going to take the piss you need to be less on the nose than this. You need to build up steadily rather than going for gold right off the bat.
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As utter shit as it is against these pricks I’m taking positives from that. We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose. That was so much better than the shocking displays ve Chelsea and Newcastle.
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I think we can put to bed the question of did we throw the match on Wednesday.
We did.
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Yes we played better than our last 3 home games but we lost them all.
These are confidence shattering defeats. Fortress Villa Park has gone and our away form has been patchy all season.
So no, I don’t take a losing good performance as any indication of our prospects. Winning is everything.
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Encouraging performance. I still fancy our chances of getting top 4/5 with Torres and Konsa back. Thought Ramsey looked much better this week, him finding form will help us no end, opening up our threat down the left, especially when he starts linking up with Pau. Could be the key to re-discovering our attacking fluidity.
Gutted with the result, but very optimistic.
Yep.
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As utter shit as it is against these pricks I’m taking positives from that. We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose. That was so much better than the shocking displays ve Chelsea and Newcastle.
It was - but as has been highlighted they were rubbish and we still shipped 2 goals. We’re not going to win many if we’re regularly shipping 2/3 goals, that’s really bloody poor. Combined with the fact we’re not taking our chances, there’s still plenty to turnaround to give us a chance.
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We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose
How many times have we said that down the years, and how many times does it actually happen?
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As utter shit as it is against these pricks I’m taking positives from that. We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose. That was so much better than the shocking displays ve Chelsea and Newcastle.
It was - but as has been highlighted they were rubbish and we still shipped 2 goals. We’re not going to win many if we’re regularly shipping 2/3 goals, that’s really bloody poor. Combined with the fact we’re not taking our chances, there’s still plenty to turnaround to give us a chance.
Ineffective in both penalty areas is not a recipe for success.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-man-utd/report/482821
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We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose
How many times have we said that down the years, and how many times does it actually happen?
Agreed.
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We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose
How many times have we said that down the years, and how many times does it actually happen?
never
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Oh come on, man. If you're going to take the piss you need to be less on the nose than this. You need to build up steadily rather than going for gold right off the bat.
I’m not a nose I’ve just watched us be losers since 1991 so this is nothing out of the ordinary. If we finish top 7 I’ll be amazed.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
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We need another striker, I'm afraid. Not a mardy one that just runs about and gets booked, but a good one that's going to really challenge for the shirt.
I like Ollie, and he's scored plenty of goals for us, but when he's not on it, he needs replacing/subbing as his droughts go on just a little bit too long for my liking.
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Glory hunting bastards. The bottle job is well and truly in full flow now. We'll do our usual plummeting and throw the season away. Absolute bastards.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
Ramsey looked a bit better, but Watkins had a shocker. Snatched badly at all his chances, and first touch like a baby elephant all night. Awful.
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We play that way the rest of the season we will still win more than we lose
How many times have we said that down the years, and how many times does it actually happen?
I’m not dismissing the larger point you’re making. But over the many years of us fucking it up I don’t think we’ve ever have had a manager capable of making the appropriate corrections. Today was so much better. Yeh we lost, but that display would have beaten most of the naff in the league. That’s what we still need to do. We start blowing it up against the lower table sides then we’re fucked.
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Better team lost today, which has happened more than once against them over the years. Injuries at the back are killing us, only one of the four who played today get in the side if everyone is fit. Good to see Ramsay back at it.
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Emery hasn't been capable of making the necessary corrections of late. In fact, the polar opposite was true today. Left Kamara marking Maguire all game at set pieces, when it cost us one goal and nearly led to another. Took Bailey off when then was no need.
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Thats as aston villa as it gets. Absolutely devastating result. All we needed was a point and we couldnt even get that. The players have again let us down
What a collapse this is turning into
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Emery getting pelters now, Jesus wept.
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I think we played very well.
Longlet is truly a weak link.
Bailey should have stayed on the pitch
I hate Manu.
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I didn't think we were that bad at all really, definitely the better side. Unless he had taken a knock, taking Bailey off was stupid, we were on top at the time. If it was tactical, it was a fuck up because they were there for the taking.
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Emery getting pelters now, Jesus wept.
To be fair he is largely at fault today. Taking bailey off was just pure idiotic. The the subs were too late and were the wrong ones. I mean zaniolo??
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Emery getting pelters now, Jesus wept.
TBF taking Bailey off was mad. Unless of course he was injured.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
Indeed, that berk up front for them had one chance all game and scored it. Ollie had four chances and hit the keeper with all four. When that ratio changes, we’ll win most games
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We usually are abysmal at Fulham too. Not looking forwards to that one. Fucks sake I'm seriously pissed off losing to those arseholes yet again.
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The post match was pure ManuTV.
I really hope we us or Spurs keep them out.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
Indeed, that berk up front for them had one chance all game and scored it. Ollie had four chances and hit the keeper with all four. When that ratio changes, we’ll win most games
Did Ollie miss four chances? He may have missed a couple but I don't remember four.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
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Would have the won the game comfortably if the offside for their corner goal been given.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
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We had them on the ropes. They were on their knees and we couldn’t score. Watkins 2 sitters, Luiz another one and then the defence goes to sleep for the second time and that was that.
God knows how bad Kamara’s injury is but they’ll tell us a few weeks so we’ll see him next season.
By far the better team but if you’ve got a defence that’s leaking goals and miss so many chances then you get what you deserve.
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Manu first goal should’ve have been.
Played them off the park for most.
Special mention for Neville. I thought he was a decent guy. But today never have I ever listened to such a wanker.
Thought he was fair and very respectful to us, tbh,
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
What the fuck that’s got to do with anything? I’m more worried about what we do not the opposition. Yes it’s annoying losing to those fuckers but I’m genuinely encouraged what I saw today, a bit more clinical and that’s a win by two clear goals for me. Ramsey was properly good as well, which starts to create a whole different dimension to our play. I swear getting wound up by the fact it’s that lot is blinding people to a much better performance.
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Overall performance not bad at all, just lacking in front of goal.
Got back in the game once Leon began to turn it on and then took him off.
Unai said no injury, it was a tactical decision. Ho hum.
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Manu first goal should’ve have been.
Played them off the park for most.
Special mention for Neville. I thought he was a decent guy. But today never have I ever listened to such a wanker.
Thought he was fair and very respectful to us, tbh,
That's just the inbuilt Ferguson style arrogance from having them turn up every year and just walk out with the points.
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Emery getting pelters now, Jesus wept.
I knew it would happen as soon as we started to struggle a bit. Bring on David Moyes for some really cracking football!!!!
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It's not OK to point out when Emery has got something wrong?
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Although we should have won, we should have been focused as much on not losing it in the last few minutes, as that would have maintained a significant gap.
We did, we slowed the tempo down and were happy to draw them on. No pressing at all for the move that led to their winner.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
You might want to check the maths on that.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
What the fuck that’s got to do with anything? I’m more worried about what we do not the opposition. Yes it’s annoying losing to those fuckers but I’m genuinely encouraged what I saw today, a bit more clinical and that’s a win by two clear goals for me. Ramsey was properly good as well, which starts to create a whole different dimension to our play. I swear getting wound up by the fact it’s that lot is blinding people to a much better performance.
If my aunty had bollocks she’d be my uncle.
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Well lads, there it is. Unai is some coach, but too many injuries in that defence have really destabilised the team. Let's go for fifth and the Conference League and hope England get that extra spot.
Not sure we'll be able to keep Spurs at bay.
Their games are really swingy, the way they play: they're as likely to go on a losing streak as a winning one.
And we are better than ManUre, we have Torres and Digne back, Ramsey starting to look like his old self, meaning we can play McGinn centrally where he does best.
It's not over yet. Play like we did today and we'll win more than we lose. And it's about time we won at Fulham.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
Maybe but you could say that about a number of players. Their overall game wasn’t awful
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It will be bad enough the media jumping with joy at us stuttering, we don’t need to do it to ourselves. UTV
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Watkins had an awful game.
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
I don't think it was. His marker was challenging him which cut-out the option to hit it to the left and the angle it came to him, made it hard to place it to the right.
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It's not OK to point out when Emery has got something wrong?
Its fine to point out if he got something wrong, but he should have loads of credit in the bank. Not a popular opinion but I think we lost the game but we missed 3 or 4 good chances, not because Bailey went off.
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Our own worst enemy again.
Oh how we've missed the Manc mutants celebrating in our stadium. I hope our owners do build a new venue somewhere - at least for these games and against the other daytripping lot.
Then close the the away end on 90+ minutes and flood the fucking place.
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We played well today for long spells.
Everyone know by now this is just unique opposition who we can find endless ways to lose to when they're not even playing well and this was about the 40th time it's happened in last 25 years.
Think I said elsewhere at half time we'd concede another from McTominay or someone like that getting a header in and I'm afraid it's those small details that cost you important stuff like CL qualification.
We need to start winning some games soon.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
I don't think it was. His marker was challenging him which cut-out the option to hit it to the left and the angle it came to him, made it hard to place it to the right.
He’d already done the hard part getting across the front of his marker. It’s straight at the keeper.
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I think that people under a certain age don't remember what it's like to play Man U and lose marginally every. single. fucking. time. Ever since the RVN shit show in 2002, it's always been the same. That's what's so infuriating.
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I think we played very well.
Longlet is truly a weak link.
Bailey should have stayed on the pitch
I hate Manu.
Is this meant to be a haiku on manyoo?
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
I don't think it was. His marker was challenging him which cut-out the option to hit it to the left and the angle it came to him, made it hard to place it to the right.
If its the one I'm thinking of, they've just showed it back on BBC news. The goalie came rushing out and blocked it. The chance Dougie had he, should have buried.
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Watkins should have buried that ball in from Cash. The whole goal to aim at, and he blasts it straight at the keeper.
So frustrating. Was such an easy chance
I don't think it was. His marker was challenging him which cut-out the option to hit it to the left and the angle it came to him, made it hard to place it to the right.
If its the one I'm thinking of, they've just showed it back on BBC news. The goalie came rushing out and blocked it. The chance Dougie had he, should have buried.
I’m thinking of the one second half; the Cash cut back. He’s got to score that one.
To be fair he missed a few.
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We played with much more intensity than in recent games and looked a lot better for it. Didn't deserve to lose.
Although we still look wide open at the back at times. Carlos and Lenglet are very average indeed.
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Would have the won the game comfortably if the offside for their corner goal been given.
Same thing happened for Newcastle's first goal. Why does VAR only check goals and not every offside? Presumably for time reasons but it's a bit stupid. You should either use tech fully or you don't.
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We played well, a million times better than the last 2 home games. We are week closer to getting Torres, Konsa and Digne back. Ramsey looked like he is almost back up to his best.
14 games to go - we need 25ish points for CL.
Nowhere near over.
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It's not OK to point out when Emery has got something wrong?
Its fine to point out if he got something wrong, but he should have loads of credit in the bank. Not a popular opinion but I think we lost the game but we missed 3 or 4 good chances, not because Bailey went off.
But surely if Bailey had of stayed on we might well have a scored another as the momentum was with us.
So yes Emery got it wrong.
Shit happens.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
What the fuck that’s got to do with anything? I’m more worried about what we do not the opposition. Yes it’s annoying losing to those fuckers but I’m genuinely encouraged what I saw today, a bit more clinical and that’s a win by two clear goals for me. Ramsey was properly good as well, which starts to create a whole different dimension to our play. I swear getting wound up by the fact it’s that lot is blinding people to a much better performance.
It's a troll
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Well, at least we don't have to play them again this season.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
What the fuck that’s got to do with anything? I’m more worried about what we do not the opposition. Yes it’s annoying losing to those fuckers but I’m genuinely encouraged what I saw today, a bit more clinical and that’s a win by two clear goals for me. Ramsey was properly good as well, which starts to create a whole different dimension to our play. I swear getting wound up by the fact it’s that lot is blinding people to a much better performance.
It's a troll
Just because I’m sick of watching the same shite on repeat for decades on end, doesn’t make me a troll
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Emery getting pelters now, Jesus wept.
You can think Emery remains on the whole brilliant for us while querying him taking off Bailey I think.
I get the feeling Emery didn't want it to develop into a basketball type match as Garnacho was starting to get shots away.
It was odd though, they basically took off Rashford to get another player on to counter what we were doing and we would've created way more 2 v 1s with Bailey remaining on the pitch and up against Lindelof.
Diaby also completely messed up that good break we had with that hopeless shot, Bailey would've got that sort of chance on target at the very least.
Them are the decisions you make and Emery managing for twenty years knows this. I think Neville called it spot on doing the comms, we had the ascendency but the Bailey subbed filtered through to the team so we slowed the game down and that gave them time to breath and a bit of a sniff to win it and that's what happened.
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If Garnacho gets injured then Manu are completely fucked.
He is going to be a superstar.
Reckon he will be playing with Bellingham soon in Madrid.
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It was a mad decision
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Incorrect
Yes it was their finishing that was woeful.
Indeed, that berk up front for them had one chance all game and scored it. Ollie had four chances and hit the keeper with all four. When that ratio changes, we’ll win most games
Did Ollie miss four chances? He may have missed a couple but I don't remember four.
Definitely four
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Emery's got it wrong taking McGinn off and Bailey. Its game over when McGinn goes off hope of an equaliser is gone.
Luiz manages to stay on the pitch till the end despite not doing much apart from a tap in.
Ramsey got loads of ball but his decisions and passing were atrocious. Over reliance on one foot.
In the first half There was so much space in front of the 2 manu centre halfs we could just walk through. However the killer pass was always delayed or missing (Ramsey + Luiz) The kid playing defensive mid for manu, Mainoo has great feet and an unbelieveable touch but doesn't know how to play that role very well hopefully other teams can exploit him in the remainder of the season.
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It really saddens me to see so many people who forget where we were 18 months ago… this manager mad team have come so far in that time it’s unbelievable…..really….get some reality in there.
We have no divine right…..
Loser mentality
Yes you are…..doesn’t post for weeks then pops up to have a good whine when we lose narrowly and play better than we have for weeks.
We’ve beat Man Utd at home twice in 40 years…
What the fuck that’s got to do with anything? I’m more worried about what we do not the opposition. Yes it’s annoying losing to those fuckers but I’m genuinely encouraged what I saw today, a bit more clinical and that’s a win by two clear goals for me. Ramsey was properly good as well, which starts to create a whole different dimension to our play. I swear getting wound up by the fact it’s that lot is blinding people to a much better performance.
If my aunty had bollocks she’d be my uncle.
On the plus side I like the YouTube videos.
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Gutted we lost, but 2 years ago we'd have played that game with 10 men behind the ball. We dominated them almost completely but weren't clinical enough where it mattered. Other than the finishing I can't fault anyone.
Bailey did have them on the back foot for 30 mins or so & the substitutions took some of the threat out of our game. But how many 90 minutes has Bailey ever played?
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
Nor me.
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If Garnacho gets injured then Manu are completely fucked.
He is going to be a superstar.
Reckon he will be playing with Bellingham soon in Madrid.
And of course he won’t get injured.
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Does this nightmare ever end
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If Garnacho gets injured then Manu are completely fucked.
He is going to be a superstar.
Reckon he will be playing with Bellingham soon in Madrid.
And of course he won’t get injured.
Don’t you just know.
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If Garnacho gets injured then Manu are completely fucked.
He is going to be a superstar.
Reckon he will be playing with Bellingham soon in Madrid.
which Garnacho are you watching Tony
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I thought we played very well and shown seeds of recovery after a very hard couple of months. We just couldn’t put it away which was strange considering how many goals we have scored this season.
With players coming back from injury I’m actually feeling more confident about how we end this season after that performance. I know we lost, but that’s the rules of law against these wankers.
Onwards and upwards.
Ian thanks for saving me the trouble of saying all this. I am convinced after today that we will finish above these ******.
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We played well, a million times better than the last 2 home games. We are week closer to getting Torres, Konsa and Digne back. Ramsey looked like he is almost back up to his best.
14 games to go - we need 25ish points for CL.
Nowhere near over.
It’s not over at all - but good performances with zero points will end our hopes fast. The reality is we’ve won three games since Christmas, one cup game against a Championship team and two games against teams in the bottom 3. That just isn’t anywhere near good enough - we have to go on a run of winning games now or it’ll be gone.
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If Garnacho gets injured then Manu are completely fucked.
He is going to be a superstar.
Reckon he will be playing with Bellingham soon in Madrid.
which Garnacho are you watching Tony
Garnacho Marx.
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Zanolia hasn't convinced me of a permanent signing I am afraid
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
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Zanolia hasn't convinced me of a permanent signing I am afraid
It's a shame Diaby wasn't a loan too as i'd send them both back
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Two things. We conceded the first goal again and secondly why did we suddenly decide to play as the underdogs and settle for a point. Seeing them walk the ball into our half with no press infuriated me.
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Constantly fucked over against this lot.
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Two things. We conceded the first goal again and secondly why did we suddenly decide to play as the underdogs and settle for a point.
With that defence?
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(https://i.ibb.co/8X5dkYz/IMG-1892.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8X5dkYz)
Constantly fucked over against this lot.
Strange how they suddenly remember that particular rule as opposed to us on a previous occasion
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(https://i.ibb.co/8X5dkYz/IMG-1892.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8X5dkYz)
Constantly fucked over against this lot.
‘Definite goal’ I said to the babby when they were awarded that corner. Granted I was trying to jinx it, but it was my first thought. Wasn’t a free kick either.
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
Watkins missed a couple of good chances but worse than that, his hold up play was abysmal.
He repeatedly gave the ball away with sloppy passes when the ball was played up to him which turned potential Villa attacks into opportunities for them to counter.
It’s one thing to be good against Sheffield but do the business against Manchester Utd and then you’re talking.
He clearly didn’t do that.
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
Watkins missed a couple of good chances but worse than that, his hold up play was abysmal.
He repeatedly gave the ball away with sloppy passes when the ball was played up to him which turned potential Villa attacks into opportunities for them to counter.
It’s one thing to be good against Sheffield but do the business against Manchester Utd and then you’re talking.
He clearly didn’t do that.
the bigger culprits of missing chances really good ones was Luiz and Diaby
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I'm gutted but I'm nowhere near as angry as I was against Chelsea and Newcastle. We deserved to win whereas we were abject against them so I can see why some are still positive. I was expecting much worse but as ever it's a kick in the balls against these c**ts.
The amount of times Watkins pisses me off with his lay offs or first touch... if I was him I would be practicing them all day because it's such a weak point. Imagine how many more assists he could get!
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We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
We'll be better next year too.
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
We are 1 point off 4th spot after 24 games. Pretty amazing I'd say.
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
Watkins missed a couple of good chances but worse than that, his hold up play was abysmal.
He repeatedly gave the ball away with sloppy passes when the ball was played up to him which turned potential Villa attacks into opportunities for them to counter.
It’s one thing to be good against Sheffield but do the business against Manchester Utd and then you’re talking.
He clearly didn’t do that.
Again don’t agree, i thought he gave Varane a difficult game.
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We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
We'll be better next year too.
the league will be tougher next year
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
How many goals , assists or chances did he take create?
Watkins missed a couple of good chances but worse than that, his hold up play was abysmal.
He repeatedly gave the ball away with sloppy passes when the ball was played up to him which turned potential Villa attacks into opportunities for them to counter.
It’s one thing to be good against Sheffield but do the business against Manchester Utd and then you’re talking.
He clearly didn’t do that.
Again don’t agree, i thought he gave Varane a difficult game.
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We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
We'll be better next year too.
Based on this season we seem to be getting worse as season progresses.
We are nowhere near the levels we were at start of season
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Watching it back, Martinez really should have done better with their winner, it was straight at him.
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Watkins had an awful game.
He was dreadful.
Dont agree at all
Watkins missed a couple of good chances but worse than that, his hold up play was abysmal.
He repeatedly gave the ball away with sloppy passes when the ball was played up to him which turned potential Villa attacks into opportunities for them to counter.
It’s one thing to be good against Sheffield but do the business against Manchester Utd and then you’re talking.
He clearly didn’t do that.
the bigger culprits of missing chances really good ones was Luiz and Diaby
Luiz should have buried that chance which would have put us up, I agree, but Diaby just seems to be lacking in confidence which you can feel.
Knowing that Bailey was taken off for tactical reasons and wasn’t injured seems like a gigantic act of self-sabotage to me.
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Hate those plastic c*nts with a passion. we should have beat them. The ref was a useless spineless c*nt , which is a given against those wankers. Lindelöf would struggle to get in the blues team, so taking off Bailey , when he should have been tearing him a new arsehole was baffling. The most loathsome set of supporters/players you could have the misfortune to encounter. C*NTS
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
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We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
We'll be better next year too.
the league will be tougher next year
Being better next year is dependent to a significant degree on how we end up this season.
Finishing in a Champions League place gives far more scope for improvement. Finishing outside those places or even without European football inevitably compromises the ability to attract better players and retain our better players.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
Yes let’s go for it , we can do it, it’s in our hands, we need a positive mental attitude, anything is achievable.
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I'd have been disappointed if we'd drawn that game, so to get suckered punched at the end like that was massively frustrating. They are the worst Manchester United side I've seen at Villa Park since the late 1980's, so to lose twice to them this season is really disappointing. They were unlikeable as ever, with that clown in goal adding to the long list of w@nkers that have appeared for them
I thought the performance was much improved from us though and we would have won fairly comfortably if we had taken our chances. Thought Moreno and Ramsey were much better, though still not quite there and McGinn did well in the more advanced role. Carlos and Lenglet were sloppy at times, but we are missing our top three CBs at the moment, so have to expect a bit of a drop.
Only disappointment for me was that I felt that our subs didn't really bring anything at a time when we needed the level lifting again.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
It is as good as over. We’ll finish at best 6th and exit the conference league no later than the semis.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
some fans drink too much get over animated and post absolute BS
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It'll be another 25 years before we beat that lot again won't it?
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
It is as good as over. We’ll finish at best 6th and exit the conference league no later than the semis.
Bollox
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
Yes let’s go for it , we can do it, it’s in our hands, we need a positive mental attitude, anything is achievable.
No point turning up next week then.
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There's times when they have had a far superior side and we've gone toe to toe and been unlucky/ conned by officialdom.
But 1 to 11 we are better than them at present. Yet have still contrived to somehow lose to them twice in the space of six weeks.
They could have Neil Warnock managing them and we'd still fluff our lines.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
It is as good as over. We’ll finish at best 6th and exit the conference league no later than the semis.
Bollox
Come back to this thread at the end of the season and tell me I was wrong
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Overall performance not bad at all, just lacking in front of goal.
Got back in the game once Leon began to turn it on and then took him off.
Unai said no injury, it was a tactical decision. Ho hum.
Long post alert!
Emery had the team prepared superbly tonight, no question. After the shambles midweek it was some turnaround in a few days with McGinn supporting Watkins in the press, a world apart from Tielemans efforts. Ramsey on left worked out really well, our left flank had been a mess for weeks. Our midfield two played as a pair and thoroughly dominated. Even our offside line, while still shaky, was far better tonight. No space between midfield and defence, Cash got isolated at times but Moreno was much better protected. Also after a very ropey start our spirit was excellent, we completely dominated the game really but failed to make multiple openings count. After Luiz equalised it looked like there would only be one winner but....
Unfortunately Emery had a nightmare with his subs. Kamara should have been replaced by Tim really and the same shape retained. Even so moving McGinn back wasn't a big problem. Bringing on Diaby wasn't even the main issue either, granted he was dreadful, but Bailey had Lindelof on toast and needed as much space as possible. Rashford wasn't going to help him out and Casemiro can't run. Diaby predictably occupied the same space as Bailey and killed the threat. Switching to a 433 would have been preferable with Diaby on the other flank. Emery I think recognised the error with the Tielemans sub but bringing off Bailey was ridiculous and McGinn was left in no man's land. To top it off if Digne was fit enough for a cameo he should have come for 10 mins earlier for a clearly gassed Moreno, the winner unfortunately came from that flank. Zaniolo seemed to be clueless where he was supposed to be playing. We barely created a chance late on and I think Emery was at fault for that.
After calming down, I'm actually a lot more positive after that performance today and the season ahead. Torres hopefully starting next week and Digne back is huge. Konsa hopefully not too far off. I'd give Tim his chance at Fulham rather than dropping McGinn back.
Also we made them look really average, Varane and Casemiro are truly finished, Shaw and Martinez are injured again and they have the laziest front three in the division. They are on a hot streak results wise but that won't last.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
Yes let’s go for it , we can do it, it’s in our hands, we need a positive mental attitude, anything is achievable.
No point turning up next week then.
Absolutely.
Seasons over and nothing to play for according to some
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I thought that was the best we've played since Dec, we really should have buried them but wasteful finishing, some good saves and sheer bad luck meant we didn't get in front.
And then the inevitable happens completely against the run of play, and queue the torrent of texts from 'Massive United fans' who the closest they get to a game as the far end of a remote control.
They really have the Indian sign over us, even with one of the shittest teams I can remember them having.
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I thought that was the best we've played since Dec, we really should have buried them but wasteful finishing, some good saves and sheer bad luck meant we didn't get in front.
And then the inevitable happens completely against the run of play, and queue the torrent of texts from 'Massive United fans' who the closest they get to a game as the far end of a remote control.
They really have the Indian sign over us, even with one of the shittest teams I can remember them having.
To be honest though it’s our own fault. To scuff the odd chance is one thing, to miss the number we did is just not good enough.
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Absolutely. I said to the bloke next to me that when we miss this many opportunities, only one thing will happen against these. But there was no head of steam from them, just the inevitable one chance and goal.
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I thought that was the best we've played since Dec, we really should have buried them but wasteful finishing, some good saves and sheer bad luck meant we didn't get in front.
And then the inevitable happens completely against the run of play, and queue the torrent of texts from 'Massive United fans' who the closest they get to a game as the far end of a remote control.
They really have the Indian sign over us, even with one of the shittest teams I can remember them having.
To be honest though it’s our own fault. To scuff the odd chance is one thing, to miss the number we did is just not good enough.
This is about right. There was a lot of concern about our defenders before the game but if we had taken our chances it wouldn't have mattered, we would have scored more than them.
Anyway, I hate them bastards more than any of you lot.
I'm off to find an episode of Murder She Written to watch.
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To whoever said Ramsey was poor, you need your head looking at!
Only midfielder we have who is comfortable driving forward with the ball, and that was by far as close to the Ramsey of old we’ve had since his return.
Only player that boiled my piss today was Diego Carlos. The rest played well.
Hate losing to these shits. They all come out of the woodwork.
Onto Fulham, let’s start accruing some points and goals again.
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
We are 1 point off 4th spot after 24 games. Pretty amazing I'd say.
We onky half why in. If we finish 6th for me its a disappointment unless we win the conference cup
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
I'll take that bet. £50. To the charity of our choice.
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
OK you have convinced me and I am off to that clinic in Switzerland. No point in continuing in the catastrophe you have illustrated.
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Cracking post Bronte - now I’ve calmed down post match, actually much more positive about the games coming up than if we’d stunk it out and shithoused a 1-1.
We passed the ball through the midfield as well as we did v City. Just didn’t take our chances.
I have one criticism of Emery in taking Bailey off - but in fairness he can’t kick the ball in the net himself, I thought he got the tactical game plan right and we created more than enough chances to win the game.
Play 80% of that level in the next three and we’ll be right in there going into the Spurs game at home.
Keep the faith - long way to go yet.
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Some absolute garbage being posted.by Villa fans on some of our pages. The seasons over apparently. You couldn't make it up.
It is as good as over. We’ll finish at best 6th and exit the conference league no later than the semis.
Bollox
Come back to this thread at the end of the season and tell me I was wrong
When will villa boy be a man and stop getting the vapours…have you not seen our progress, we are way ahead of where we were and a few bad results should be taken in context. Support your team.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
I'll take that bet. £50. To the charity of our choice.
The Samaritans
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
F in pathetic post. And well said Oklahoma.
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Gutted we lost, but 2 years ago we'd have played that game with 10 men behind the ball. We dominated them almost completely but weren't clinical enough where it mattered. Other than the finishing I can't fault anyone.
Bailey did have them on the back foot for 30 mins or so & the substitutions took some of the threat out of our game. But how many 90 minutes has Bailey ever played?
Two years ago we were taking four points off them in the league and even coming back from 2-0 down in the VP game which was pretty much the high point under Slippy.
It's annoying we're resorting back to having an inferiority complex against them as this really isn't a good Man. United team at all.
We are a better footballing team than them. Do we really believe that though? We haven't at various points in the two games and we'll see if the team can really believe it can hold them off with a 5 point gap, they better still believe they can.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
I'll take that bet. £50. To the charity of our choice.
The Samaritans
Their phone lines will be jammed tonight seeing some of the posts on here.
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Encouraged by that. If you were told we'd lost 2-1 to a side who did the beat part of fuck all, the entire game, who dived for a free kick, were off side at the free kick that won a corner, that scored from said corner, that scored an undeserved late winner, that we spawned 4 absolute gilt edge chances, then I guarantee you'd answer correctly when invited to guess who we'd played.
Lots of positives to take. Some harsh lessons too. JJ is very close to being back. When he's at the gallop you can't stop him. The off the ball work was infinitely better too. We miss Torres badly, he's such a high quality player. We've suffered badly of late with that. Glad Digne is back too. Let's get 50% of that defence back in for Fulham.
Really lookimg forward to that and think that same application, that same chance generation will give us a great chance to win.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
I'll take that bet. £50. To the charity of our choice.
Yep, I'm in on that aswell.
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
OK you have convinced me and I am off to that clinic in Switzerland. No point in continuing in the catastrophe you have illustrated.
Im not trying to sell you anything just expressing my thoughts
Just based on what could happen and is a realistic scenerio if we fail to get CL. But continue on and bury your head in the sand if you think this isnt a likely scenerio should the worst happen. Whatever floats your boat 👌
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Win or lose I’m happy I can sleep tonight knowing I’m not a glory hunting prick living 120 miles away from Scumchester like a dozen lads in my local
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
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Peeing me off that the narrative in some quarters of the media is now that this was a great Man U performance. No it was not. They were terrible and if we'd been anything like clinical enough would have been heavily beaten
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
OK you have convinced me and I am off to that clinic in Switzerland. No point in continuing in the catastrophe you have illustrated.
Im not trying to sell you anything just expressing my thoughts
Just based on what could happen and is a realistic scenerio if we fail to get CL. But continue on and bury your head in the sand if you think this isnt a likely scenerio should the worst happen. Whatever floats your boat 👌
'Based on what could happen......'
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
He is a Villa fan and please read the site rules.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
Steve I’m guessing that the 67 on your name means we’re probably a very similar age. I’ve been going to Villa Park for over 40 years. I was also clocking up plenty of posts on here 20 years ago but couldn’t be arsed reading comments like the one I commented on.
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I thought we played well. They were shit. But sometimes it doesn't work out
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
OK you have convinced me and I am off to that clinic in Switzerland. No point in continuing in the catastrophe you have illustrated.
Im not trying to sell you anything just expressing my thoughts
Just based on what could happen and is a realistic scenerio if we fail to get CL. But continue on and bury your head in the sand if you think this isnt a likely scenerio should the worst happen. Whatever floats your boat 👌
'Based on what could happen......'
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
Obviously id love the above scenario not to happen. Still a long way to go but i think we have fucked it now. 5 points is nothing and now we have just given them a confidence boost while we seem to be terrified when we get in the opposition box.
The team looks mentally fragile. I thought these days were behind us but it seems not...
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
Steve I’m guessing that the 67 on your name means we’re probably a very similar age. I’ve been going to Villa Park for over 40 years. I was also clocking up plenty of posts on here 20 years ago but couldn’t be arsed reading comments like the one I commented on.
So do me a favour and post on the game instead of criticising people who are naturally disappointed about the game today. Whether they are strange or not really makes no difference. It's fucking annoying and you come across as a troll.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
He is a Villa fan and please read the site rules.
Cheers Legion. Hope you’re well mate, I should probably be spending my time a little more wisely than posting on here again anyway 😂 UTV
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I appreciate some are trying to stary positive and its admirable i wish i could be.
But i feel massively let down. They played WOEFUL on Wednesday night and i was ok to let that slide if we got something today. This is a awful united side. Not long ago we bottled a 2 goal lead. That should be enough motivation to put it right but they failed.
We can all say we didnt expect to see ourselves in this position so we should be happy to be in mix. But the bigger picture is this the best chance we will ever get for CL. Manure chelsea and Newcastle wont be this bad next year. So will be even tougher next year.
Then you have to add in will luiz for example want to stick around if we miss out on CL? These are some issues will could have if we miss out on CL.thats not even including all the revenue money we will miss out having CL to help with FFP
OK you have convinced me and I am off to that clinic in Switzerland. No point in continuing in the catastrophe you have illustrated.
Im not trying to sell you anything just expressing my thoughts
Just based on what could happen and is a realistic scenerio if we fail to get CL. But continue on and bury your head in the sand if you think this isnt a likely scenerio should the worst happen. Whatever floats your boat 👌
'Based on what could happen......'
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
Preach!
United were crap today. They had absolutely no idea what the do with the ball when it wasn’t a fast break. Unai is building something here so that this won’t be our “best chance” to get Champions League. But instead, we’ll be in this spot for the next 5-6 years. United will be on their third manager in the same time and trying to revive old glories. Fuck ‘em.
We absolutely could have won today. We created far better chances and weren’t lopping the ball over the top like it was fucking Sunday league. For the price of that squad to play like that is absolutely pathetic.
Don’t fret boys. Tough match but today was a good performance.
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
Steve I’m guessing that the 67 on your name means we’re probably a very similar age. I’ve been going to Villa Park for over 40 years. I was also clocking up plenty of posts on here 20 years ago but couldn’t be arsed reading comments like the one I commented on.
So do me a favour and post on the game instead of criticising people who are naturally disappointed about the game today. Whether they are strange or not really makes no difference. It's fucking annoying and you come across as a troll.
Potty mouth….
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McGinn came of because he was nackered and just couldn't run anymore. Can't keep bringing Diaby on hoping he improves, madness. Pau has been on the bench for the last three games i think, what is the problem with bringing him on?
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Let's get this right, the Manchester United of this world spent shit loads on players that are shit and trailing the Villa,Uria Emery has cobbled a team together that are sitting in fifth position, okay performances haven't been great recently so let's cut out the hysteria,
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Casemeiro's booking, and his reaction to it, were fucking hilarious.
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Let's get this right, the Manchester United of this world spent shit loads on players that are shit and trailing the Villa,Uria Emery has cobbled a team together that are sitting in fifth position, okay performances haven't been great recently so let's cut out the hysteria,
And if you think I am going to give up on finishing forth, think again
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Casemeiro's booking, and his reaction to it, were fucking hilarious.
It must’ve lasted around 20s, to be fair it was as much of a foul as the challenge which led to their goal.
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Casemeiro's booking, and his reaction to it, were fucking hilarious.
Yes it was brilliant and happened right in front of me.
It looked like he'd got cramp in both arms!
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Manu first goal should’ve have been.
Played them off the park for most.
Special mention for Neville. I thought he was a decent guy. But today never have I ever listened to such a wanker.
He's a champagne socialist; what do you expect?
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The better team by a mile.
Our record $50M forward came on to replace Bailey, how is that settling for a point??
1 point off ‘title chasing’ Spurs in 4th & 5 points above the mighty Manchester United. We are struggling for consistency but Jesus fucking wept let’s not throw in the towel just yet.
UTFV!
We lost, which makes us losers. I’ll bet you any amount of money we don’t finish in the top 6. Typical losers
Beautifully wrote……
Fuck sake, comment on the game eh? Not people's posts.
I thought that the comment about losers was a little harsh that’s all. Just defending the team. Jeez, some very odd people on here….
Feel free not to post in that case. Wouldn't want you to have to slum it with us Villa fans.
Steve I’m guessing that the 67 on your name means we’re probably a very similar age. I’ve been going to Villa Park for over 40 years. I was also clocking up plenty of posts on here 20 years ago but couldn’t be arsed reading comments like the one I commented on.
So do me a favour and post on the game instead of criticising people who are naturally disappointed about the game today. Whether they are strange or not really makes no difference. It's fucking annoying and you come across as a troll.
I think your anger is a bot misplaced here. People comment and react to other people’s comments all the time. Im doing it now, over and out.
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Casemeiro's booking, and his reaction to it, were fucking hilarious.
It must’ve lasted around 20s, to be fair it was as much of a foul as the challenge which led to their goal.
Totally hilarious to start with and when it continued for what seemed like an epic size drama scene from Stratford it was embarrassing behind belief.
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Casemeiro's booking, and his reaction to it, were fucking hilarious.
It was a strange moment for sure
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So do me a favour and post on the game instead of criticising people who are naturally disappointed about the game today. Whether they are strange or not really makes no difference. It's fucking annoying and you come across as a troll.
Steve understand you’re are disappointed as we all are but no one is breaking the rules here so your implied discipline is a bit out of place here. In any case as it’s a chat forum commenting on others opinion is entirely appropriate.
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
Bailey played 88 minutes against Chelsea, which is more than 90 with first half stoppage time. So that would appear to be a load of rubbish.
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To whoever said Ramsey was poor, you need your head looking at!
Only midfielder we have who is comfortable driving forward with the ball, and that was by far as close to the Ramsey of old we’ve had since his return.
Only player that boiled my piss today was Diego Carlos. The rest played well.
Hate losing to these shits. They all come out of the woodwork.
Onto Fulham, let’s start accruing some points and goals again.
I agree, and especially about Carlos.
What exactly does he do?
Obviously, he is honed from a block of granite, but I have never seen a crunching tackle from him. In fact, he is muscled off the ball so often, he should be embarrassed.
He is poor in the air.
His distribution is awful, and he slows the game down too much.
5th choice CB is about right
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That was absolutely gutting - to be much the better side and somehow lose.
Unfortunately - I think we’ll llook back at the end of the season and see the 6 points we dropped to Man Utd as the reason we didn’t get champions league football. The padding the win we should have got would have given us would allow us to handle the injuries we have.
I just really hope that isnt something we end up regretting for years to come. It felt like today was a chance to show that this time it’s different, and not a false dawn.
We clearly in good hands with the manager and he gets it right far more than he gets it wrong - but the reality is we’ll never have a better chance than this season and it looks like it because of injuries and FFP it will end up being too bigger ask.
Without champions league football we’ll see 1 or 2 of our better players leave - as we desperately need to strengthen the squad and that’s the only way we’ll be able to fund it.
I thought Ramsey was much better today but he luiz, Diaby and Watkins all lacked composure with there chances.
Cash isn’t good enough - not are Carlos or Langlet. I am worried about Youri and Diaby - as so far they have both had more bad games than good. Zanilio is also a waste of space. The problem with FFP is we can’t afford to get signings wrong and I worry that Diaby is too weak for this league and doesn’t suit the way Unai wants to play him.
Still in a much better place then I dreamed we would do - just feels a shame that we look unable to take such a good opportunity to get champions league as despite all the great work the club is doing - I think this might be our chance as FFP makes the playing field so uneven.
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Can anyone explain how rat faced ****** didn’t get booked for blasting the ball away after the ref had blown for a free kick ?
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Can anyone explain how rat faced ****** didn’t get booked for blasting the ball away after the ref had blown for a free kick ?
I can, fella.
It starts with c and ends with t
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Taking Bailey off looks like a massive error . Very bizarre from Unai.
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Can anyone explain how rat faced ****** didn’t get booked for blasting the ball away after the ref had blown for a free kick ?
I can, fella.
It starts with c and ends with t
Ahhhhhh. I should have known !!
Hope you are well buddy
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
Bailey played 88 minutes against Chelsea, which is more than 90 with first half stoppage time. So that would appear to be a load of rubbish.
Just quoting what I was told. I'm off here now because things have been very tetchy tonight.
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
Bailey played 88 minutes against Chelsea, which is more than 90 with first half stoppage time. So that would appear to be a load of rubbish.
Just quoting what I was told. I'm off here now because things have been very tetchy tonight.
Yes but it's blatantly not true.
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
Bailey played 88 minutes against Chelsea, which is more than 90 with first half stoppage time. So that would appear to be a load of rubbish.
Just quoting what I was told. I'm off here now because things have been very tetchy tonight.
Yes but it's blatantly not true.
Maybe 88 on Wednesday and another 90 tonight might have been too much?
I know that’s not what he said but there is a possibility that there’s a truth somewhere in the middle of these 2 extremes?
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Aston Villa 1-2 Man Utd: Why Villa will still make the Premier League's top four - Stephen Warnock - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68269251
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To whoever said Ramsey was poor, you need your head looking at!
Only midfielder we have who is comfortable driving forward with the ball, and that was by far as close to the Ramsey of old we’ve had since his return.
Only player that boiled my piss today was Diego Carlos. The rest played well.
Hate losing to these shits. They all come out of the woodwork.
Onto Fulham, let’s start accruing some points and goals again.
I agree, and especially about Carlos.
What exactly does he do?
Obviously, he is honed from a block of granite, but I have never seen a crunching tackle from him. In fact, he is muscled off the ball so often, he should be embarrassed.
He is poor in the air.
His distribution is awful, and he slows the game down too much.
5th choice CB is about right
He did stop two goals in first 10 minutes. Distribution is poor for sure. Did ok today in comparison to other games. Watkins and Cash to blame for the goals.
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Aston Villa 1-2 Man Utd: Why Villa will still make the Premier League's top four - Stephen Warnock - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68269251
A very considered article; I like Warnock.
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Warnock is a good pundit - whether you agree with him or not (and I hope he’s right in this case!) you can tell he’s always done his research and properly considered what he’s saying.
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In my post right after the game I criticised Emery for taking off Bailey when he and Diaby were tearing their defence a new arsehole. However I've seen elsewhere that Bailey is still not ready for a full 90 minutes so he had to come off. I can't believe I questioned the boss like that. I've calmed down a lot now and looking back we totally bossed them for large parts. I think (hope) we may well have dented their self confidence and I think there's plenty of twists and turns to come in the race for top four. I had a wobble but I'm over it. In Emery I trust.
Bailey played 88 minutes against Chelsea, which is more than 90 with first half stoppage time. So that would appear to be a load of rubbish.
Just quoting what I was told. I'm off here now because things have been very tetchy tonight.
Yes but it's blatantly not true.
Maybe 88 on Wednesday and another 90 tonight might have been too much?
I know that’s not what he said but there is a possibility that there’s a truth somewhere in the middle of these 2 extremes?
I got home at 10:30 and heard on either 5Live or MOTD that Emery confirmed that Bailey was taken off for tactical reasons.
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Good at least it’s a bit of an error, rather than him being injured.
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Anyone know why there were so many PA warnings over racist / homophobic abuse in the first half?
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Pissed off with the result. But we played well today. I thought Ramsey did everything but score, I also thought Diaby made a difference when he came on.
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We did well today.and except in a couple of key moments, we were by far the better side.
Dougie should have done better, Watkins should have scored, we could have defended better.
Ramsey just didn't quite have the match sharpness, Lenglet doesn't have the distribution of Torres, Carlos is nowhere near as composed as Konsa.
For all of Bailey's skill, we were behind when he went off. Trying something different was worth it.
Who knows how long he can last for, and whether he is fully fit. And that is irrelevant in the context of today.
I hate losing to this lot, but shit happens, we need to move on, and with that performance, there is evidence we will.
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We were level when Bailey went off and the momentum was with us.
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We were level when Bailey went off and the momentum was with us.
Yep, sorry I mixed up two points I was trying to make into one and got that totally wrong.
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Can you imagine how we would be if we did not two regulars at the start of the season, two very important players, then we seem to have had more than our fair share of injuries during the season that seems to go on for ever. In spite of that we still have a good chance of Europe.
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Can you imagine how we would be if we did not two regulars at the start of the season, two very important players, then we seem to have had more than our fair share of injuries during the season that seems to go on for ever. In spite of that we still have a good chance of Europe.
Indeed. I think we’d be navigating this tough patch a lot more comfortably if we had Mings and Torres battling it out for a spot/deputising for each other.
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We did well today.and except in a couple of key moments, we were by far the better side.
Dougie should have done better, Watkins should have scored, we could have defended better.
Ramsey just didn't quite have the match sharpness, Lenglet doesn't have the distribution of Torres, Carlos is nowhere near as composed as Konsa.
For all of Bailey's skill, we were behind when he went off. Trying something different was worth it.
Who knows how long he can last for, and whether he is fully fit. And that is irrelevant in the context of today.
I hate losing to this lot, but shit happens, we need to move on, and with that performance, there is evidence we will.
We weren't behind when Bailey went off. It was Bailey who put the cross in for Dougies goal
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Another controversial decison why wasnt we given a pen for that blatent shirt pull?? If that was other end manure would have got a pen hands down.
I cant believe our players did not protest more about it. Too soft and nice in my opinion
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Another controversial decison why wasnt we given a pen for that blatent shirt pull?? If that was other end manure would have got a pen hands down.
I cant believe our players did not protest more about it. Too soft and nice in my opinion
Considering Casemiro and Fernandez were going for academy awards to avoid a booking you’ve probably got a point. We should be more street smart.
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Feel Emery was too slow to react as Maguire easily had the beating of Kamara at corners etc
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We talked about the importance of the twelfth man all week, it’s just he turned up wearing black and carried a whistle.
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Feel Emery was too slow to react as Maguire easily had the beating of Kamara at corners etc
It was ridiculous, how did the coaching team not see the mismatch on the 2 previous corners.
They saw it and played it to Maguire and we go 1 nil down.
This is basic stuff, but he did not have a good day with the substitutions either.
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I’d rather focus on how Emery got us to play. We were good to watch, controlled the tempo and controlled the game. We looked very good. Individual errors cost us the game, not Emery. Errors from some of our players and refereeing decisions.
Emery has completely turned us around and we’ve played some fantastic football along the way. He’s helped turn Villa Park into a ground most teams fear again. Yesterday was not his fault. If we defended the corner better (which shouldn’t have been), buried our chances, it would have been a great win. All ifs and buts, but the way Emery has managed us since he’s arrived is incredible and other than the score, we played extremely well yesterday. There’s also players coming back from injury now and Ramsey was a huge plus yesterday.
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Aston Villa 1-2 Man Utd: Why Villa will still make the Premier League's top four - Stephen Warnock - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68269251
A very considered article; I like Warnock.
He does come across as a cut above some of his contemporaries. Compared to some of the other clowns out there and I'm looking at you Micah Richards and Danny Mills he's practically a genius.
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I’d rather focus on how Emery got us to play. We were good to watch, controlled the tempo and controlled the game. We looked very good. Individual errors cost us the game, not Emery. Errors from some of our players and refereeing decisions.
Emery has completely turned us around and we’ve played some fantastic football along the way. He’s helped turn Villa Park into a ground most teams fear again. Yesterday was not his fault. If we defended the corner better (which shouldn’t have been), buried our chances, it would have been a great win. All ifs and buts, but the way Emery has managed us since he’s arrived is incredible and other than the score, we played extremely well yesterday. There’s also players coming back from injury now and Ramsey was a huge plus yesterday.
Totally agree Ian. Took time to reflect before posting because I hate losing to these. All the pundits felt we deserved more from the game but needed to be more clinical. Players on their way back from injury and getting match fit, our best home performance since Man City for me we need to keep on that trajectory there is a lot to play for. Keep the faith UTV
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I'm much more positive after that performance. It was as well as we've played since man city. Another day we win 2-1/3-1.
We have key players coming back, we have some winnable games coming up and a 5-point gap. It's a learning curve for these players too - many have never been at the right end of the table where there is a different kind of relentless pressure to perform every week. It's what winners do and we need to learn and adapt.
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I’d rather focus on how Emery got us to play. We were good to watch, controlled the tempo and controlled the game. We looked very good. Individual errors cost us the game, not Emery. Errors from some of our players and refereeing decisions.
Emery has completely turned us around and we’ve played some fantastic football along the way. He’s helped turn Villa Park into a ground most teams fear again. Yesterday was not his fault. If we defended the corner better (which shouldn’t have been), buried our chances, it would have been a great win. All ifs and buts, but the way Emery has managed us since he’s arrived is incredible and other than the score, we played extremely well yesterday. There’s also players coming back from injury now and Ramsey was a huge plus yesterday.
People will come back with the scores the most important thing, which it is. However, i do agree with your sentiments here.
Theres a lot of focus on bringing Bailey off, maybe that made a difference, maybe it never, I was surprised he went off and thought maybe Ramseys race was run. Whatever, the reason we didnt win was because Watkins never buried that chance early in the 2nd half, Luiz never buried that chance at 1-1, someone else never buried a chance in between, that trickled past the post and if I’m being harsh, Cash lost his man for their winner and Emi maybe could of had stronger hands.
We always want to find the one reason or mistake with a horrible defeat like that, but there are a few, mainly if you miss a lot of sitters its harder to win.
I think the main thing now is to try and not fall away, if we can get to the end of March still around 5th, when hopefully Torres and Konsa will be back in defence, Ramsey and Moreno will be building up that partnership again etc etc, i still think we have a real chance of champions league qualification.
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Not read any of the comments on here as ignored football the moment the final whistle went…straight down the steps as listening to that vulgar bunch celebrating year after year is worse than losing to a local rival. Sod off back to Torquay & Woking you bunch of horrible entitled gobshites.
It’s obvious we weren’t clinical enough, totally annoying that their crap keeper suddenly decides to make a couple of worldie saves.
Thought in general we were good, certainly the opposite of the couple of bottle jobs in the last two home games.
Did sky show 46 angles of the ball going out for the award of the corner for their first goal?
Was good to see the left side start to tick again with Moreno & Ramsey…obv JJ left his shooting boots at home but that that is by far the best performance he has put in since the injury so bodes well for a string finish to the season.
For their winner how many of them piled into the crowd? How many did the incompetent oaf with the whistle book?
Hope Kamara isn’t a bad knock but with our luck this season he is out for a couple of months now…annoying because for me he was the best player on the pitch before that.
That substitution of Bailey was baffling…taking pace off and replacing with a pedestrian Teilemans was odd.
Dropping 6 points to such a poor team is annoying but it is time to get back on the horse in the next 3 games. Hopefully by the time we play Spurs we have a fit Kamara, Torres and Konsa back on the pitch.
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To be fair that was a quality winner from them. Mainoo showed great feet to start with, inch perfect first time cross from Dalot and McT dominated Cash to nod it in. This wasn't like Chelsea where you could point multiple players to blame. Cash did make a decent effort to get to the cross but McT was just too strong. It was sickening as it felt like they were trying to hold on for the point at that stage.
Dalot getting great credit in the media today, it was his awful clearance that Luiz should have punished. He scores and I think we go on and win comfortably such was our dominance at the time. Small margins.
All about Fulham now, go there and win and we will be setup nicely for the rest of the season.
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After sleeping on it, Im still really gutted!
Stuttering form and crippling injuries meant that yesterday gave us a really good chance to give ourselves some breathing space. Did we expect to be in such a good position at the start of the season, No. Are we still in a great position? Yes, but the last 25 years have shown that if you don't take those chances when they come - you may be waiting a very long time for the next one.
Emery is brilliant - but FFP means we will never be on a level playing field against the clubs with better turnover - and the reality is without UCL football we will have to sell some significant players to continue to invest at the level we need. We also need to talk about some of our transfer business. FFP means we can't afford to spend 50m on a player and have him being rubbish for more than he is good / wait a season hoping he comes good. The same goes for Carlos (although that's the past regime).
Zanilio has been worse than bad, and Tielemens has had some great games, but only about 50% of them, Lenglet has been pretty average too. Letting Dendonker go - only for Kamara to get injured in virtually the next game is also a worry. I know they have to make different decisions to balance the books - but if we want to progress we need to get these calls right and I think currently we're 1 good decision for every questionable one. I appreciate this last point may be a bit knee jerk - but what else are Monday mornings for.
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I’d rather focus on how Emery got us to play. We were good to watch, controlled the tempo and controlled the game. We looked very good. Individual errors cost us the game, not Emery. Errors from some of our players and refereeing decisions.
Emery has completely turned us around and we’ve played some fantastic football along the way. He’s helped turn Villa Park into a ground most teams fear again. Yesterday was not his fault. If we defended the corner better (which shouldn’t have been), buried our chances, it would have been a great win. All ifs and buts, but the way Emery has managed us since he’s arrived is incredible and other than the score, we played extremely well yesterday. There’s also players coming back from injury now and Ramsey was a huge plus yesterday.
Bailey was terrorising them, and as soon as went off, it looked like we'd settled for a draw. It was a really, really bad decision.
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Emerys record against ten hag has been abit poor to be honest
Played 5
W 1
L 4
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I'm still seeing more positives than not, despite how ball crunching the result was. Makes ETH less likely to be sacked in the summer, which is a bonus for everybody else. The longer that 1 dimensional chequebook merchant is there, the more chance the rest of us have of Champions League football. I'd hate for them to get it right again.
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It's always horrible losing to that lot. Over the years it's happened plenty, and I've always been left with the horrible feeling that that's just the way it is - "they're a better side than us right now", "they have better players than us", or "they have a better manager".
I don't feel that way today. At all. I'm still totally gutted to lose, obviously, but on reflection we played more than well enough to win that game, and on another day, we do. We certainly played better than when we beat Arsenal. If we'd lost to Arsenal, and won yesterday maybe I'd feel better. Probably not.
The difference now is that we lost an important game to our rivals. That hurts. But when we play them now we aren't the plucky underdogs hoping to pull a rabbit out of the hat any more. We performed pretty well throughout most of the game and were clearly the best side for large parts of the game - against a team that starts every season with champions league aspirations. That's where we are now. That's the company we now keep. Now, we are going to lose some of these games. Some where we've lost to the better side on the day, and some like yesterday where we definitely deserved more. It's going to happen, and it'll probably happen again this season that we lose a game we didn't deserve to.
However, I'm going to spend the rest of the week trying to think positively about the performance, and the imminent return of Pau and Digne, and try not to focus too much on us losing a match that pretty much everyone agrees we didn't deserve to lose.
Onwards and upwards.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Both can be true you know. I err on the optimism side of that equation others don’t and that’s fine.
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i think not signing another decent striker (or keeping Archer) really really hit home yesterday , Watkins misfiring and no replacement on the bench . That chance 2nd half that Watkins missed is bread & butter for Archer
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We played much better but we didn't take our chances.
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I'm going to watch the whole game back again to be sure I wasn't blinded by matchday bias but I felt we were really good.
In another day Watkins' header, or McGinn's shot would have gone in and their header would have gone straight into Martinez. But it didn't and we're left rueing another kissed opportunity to beat these fuckers.
It meant an awful lot to them to win.
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I’d rather focus on how Emery got us to play. We were good to watch, controlled the tempo and controlled the game. We looked very good. Individual errors cost us the game, not Emery. Errors from some of our players and refereeing decisions.
Emery has completely turned us around and we’ve played some fantastic football along the way. He’s helped turn Villa Park into a ground most teams fear again. Yesterday was not his fault. If we defended the corner better (which shouldn’t have been), buried our chances, it would have been a great win. All ifs and buts, but the way Emery has managed us since he’s arrived is incredible and other than the score, we played extremely well yesterday. There’s also players coming back from injury now and Ramsey was a huge plus yesterday.
Bailey was terrorising them, and as soon as went off, it looked like we'd settled for a draw. It was a really, really bad decision.
Agreed, we took our foot off their throats.
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I was pleasantly surprised - having missed both the Jawdie and the Chelski games - how well we played yesterday. Plus points were the performances of Ramsey, Bailey (2nd half) and Cash. I liked the increased tempo of our game compared to recent ones. And, I was pleasantly surprised that Carlos and Lenglet didn't look like the train crash I thought they were going to be against a quick opposition attack. Watkins played okay yesterday; his movement was excellent. The 'sitter' (which is how I saw it at the game) was in fact a really good connection on a fast / fizzing cross and the keeper's reactions were far better - seen again - than when I saw it in real time.
My main concern - apart from the missed opportunities - was the concession from another set-piece: As with Schar in the Jawdie game, Hoyluund appeared to have all the time in the world to move onto yet another MaGuire header (we'd already seen that routine 3 or 4 times from corners, before their goal). Without that soft opening goal I think it would have become a Villa win as we pressed our obvious advantage on them. It's perhaps where we miss Mings most.
I'd like to have seen Ted come on instead of Z: why play Z at all if we're not going to actually purchase him, when a few minutes for Rogers would have started his journey in the Premier League.
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Kamara marking Maguire on corners is such a basic oversight , and so costly
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Kamara marking Maguire on corners is such a basic oversight , and so costly
It was just ridiculous. You've seen him beaten at every corner, including one that led to a goal, so why keep doing it? Maguire is a big old unit, and Kamara isn't. We've been dreadful at defending set pieces lately, and they seem to be getting worse.
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Kamara marking Maguire on corners is such a basic oversight , and so costly
It was just ridiculous. You've seen him beaten at every corner, including one that led to a goal, so why keep doing it? Maguire is a big old unit, and Kamara isn't. We've been dreadful at defending set pieces lately, and they seem to be getting worse.
i think its a case of coaches get so wrapped up in detail and minutia they sometimes miss a glaringly obvious error. This is one of them
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I was pleasantly surprised - having missed both the Jawdie and the Chelski games - how well we played yesterday. Plus points were the performances of Ramsey, Bailey (2nd half) and Cash. I liked the increased tempo of our game compared to recent ones. And, I was pleasantly surprised that Carlos and Lenglet didn't look like the train crash I thought they were going to be against a quick opposition attack. Watkins played okay yesterday; his movement was excellent. The 'sitter' (which is how I saw it at the game) was in fact a really good connection on a fast / fizzing cross and the keeper's reactions were far better - seen again - than when I saw it in real time.
My main concern - apart from the missed opportunities - was the concession from another set-piece: As with Schar in the Jawdie game, Hoyluund appeared to have all the time in the world to move onto yet another MaGuire header (we'd already seen that routine 3 or 4 times from corners, before their goal). Without that soft opening goal I think it would have become a Villa win as we pressed our obvious advantage on them. It's perhaps where we miss Mings most.
I'd like to have seen Ted come on instead of Z: why play Z at all if we're not going to actually purchase him, when a few minutes for Rogers would have started his journey in the Premier League.
The opening goal only happens because Ollie wasn't as well drilled as the defence to step out of the six yard box when the corner goes that deep. You can see as the ball goes to the back post, all of the defence midfield is up past the six yard line - no one on the posts. They know any knockdowns going forward could catch the forwards offside. If Ollie goes up with the defence, Hojlund is two yards offside. You can see Ollie react and step up realising his position is wrong, but Maguire has already headed. He was half a second too slow. The whole defence had their hand up for offside because they thought their offside trap had worked as intended.
Our back four plays for offsides, that's what we do now, and they're getting really good at it. The forwards, not so much, clearly.
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Kamara marking Maguire on corners is such a basic oversight , and so costly
It was just ridiculous. You've seen him beaten at every corner, including one that led to a goal, so why keep doing it? Maguire is a big old unit, and Kamara isn't. We've been dreadful at defending set pieces lately, and they seem to be getting worse.
i think its a case of coaches get so wrapped up in detail and minutia they sometimes miss a glaringly obvious error. This is one of them
Well if the goal wasn't enough to remind them, I'm not sure what would.
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Kamara marking Maguire on corners is such a basic oversight , and so costly
It was just ridiculous. You've seen him beaten at every corner, including one that led to a goal, so why keep doing it? Maguire is a big old unit, and Kamara isn't. We've been dreadful at defending set pieces lately, and they seem to be getting worse.
It's not the first time we've had complete mismatches at corners. McGinn has been tasked with marking some key players too in the past.
Overall we are shorter than other teams, and it definitely affects us. I think it's why we take so many short corners etc. We try and work the ball into the net rather than relying on a big man to get on the end of them.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Have to agree with you tim. It was a must not lose game. The resultis a complete disaster. Had we beaten Newcastle it wouldnt have mattered as much but we lost that one too.
We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results. We wernt as shit yesteeday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal. 8 goals conceded in last 3 home games. Thats simply not good enough.
Also the set pieces at times were championship level. What the hell are we doing in training?
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Football can be so frustrating. We have made a lot of chances over the last 2 league games but whereas everything flew in against Sheffield United nothing did yesterday. While being disappointed with the result I have to be encouraged by the performance. With injured players due back I fully expect a good run over the final months of the season. For instance Ramsey rediscovering his form and Digne being available makes us much stronger.
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Ramsey, when he is on it and travelling, I think with his goal threat, is actually better than the floppy haired one. The later played to be stopped, the former just can't be stopped.
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The offside for their corner goal was obvious in real time.
Why didn’t VAR intervene?
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The offside for their corner goal was obvious in real time.
Why didn’t VAR intervene?
They trying to say because it went for a corner VAR couldn't intervene. Absolute nonsense. Its so infuriating hearing these bullshit excuses to help the bigger sides
Var didnt even check for the pen either.
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The dive was incredible too from Rashford. Cheating bastard.
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The dive was incredible too from Rashford. Cheating bastard.
When you get Roy Keane AND Gary Neville saying that it was never a free kick to begin with and that Casimero was offside from it you know you have a case. But just add it to the list as dodgy decision goes in favour of Man Utd No654
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Emerys record against ten hag has been abit poor to be honest
Played 5
W 1
L 4
Emery tactically owned EtH last night. Old Trafford we collapsed but last night was a far superior performance. Hard to know how they possibly got 6 points off us over two games.
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By scoring 5 goals to our 3.
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I'm going to watch the whole game back again to be sure I wasn't blinded by matchday bias but I felt we were really good.
In another day Watkins' header, or McGinn's shot would have gone in and their header would have gone straight into Martinez. But it didn't and we're left rueing another kissed opportunity to beat these fuckers.
It meant an awful lot to them to win.
I thought SJM’s miss was worse than Watkins’. When the ball flashes across like that, battling to get in front of the defender breathing down your neck, a striker will just concentrate on getting a good contact, which most times will be enough to score. McGinn just concentrated on power when he had much more time and goal to aim at.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Have to agree with you tim. It was a must not lose game. The resultis a complete disaster. Had we beaten Newcastle it wouldnt have mattered as much but we lost that one too.
We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results. We wernt as shit yesteeday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal. 8 goals conceded in last 3 home games. Thats simply not good enough.
Also the set pieces at times were championship level. What the hell are we doing in training?
Were all our previous wins at home the aforementioned 'miracles'?
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Emerys record against ten hag has been abit poor to be honest
Played 5
W 1
L 4
Emery tactically owned EtH last night. Old Trafford we collapsed but last night was a far superior performance. Hard to know how they possibly got 6 points off us over two games.
It's not the sort of thing that inspires long term confidence of repeating results, hence why we're the only top 8 side they've beaten away in 2 years I guess. I'm telling you, Satanic Black Magic bullshit.
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Aston Villa 1-2 Man Utd: Why Villa will still make the Premier League's top four - Stephen Warnock - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68269251
A very considered article; I like Warnock.
He does come across as a cut above some of his contemporaries. Compared to some of the other clowns out there and I'm looking at you Micah Richards and Danny Mills he's practically a genius.
I do like him but there's a smack of "I did extra research last summer and saw how good this team is coached and therefore I think they'll be amazing".
I think it's human nature to be influenced by being impressed but it only tells part of the whole picture. We're coming up against teams with better squads who also have (in the main), world-class coaches. So although it's nice to see a decent pundit batting for us, I take it all with a pinch of salt, just as I do the less-informed pundits who will say our challenge is over.
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Can you imagine how we would be if we did not two regulars at the start of the season, two very important players, then we seem to have had more than our fair share of injuries during the season that seems to go on for ever. In spite of that we still have a good chance of Europe.
Brighton, Newcastle and Man. United had endless injuries this season unless people actually assumed Man. United signed Johnny Evans to be a first choice! Chelsea aswell and we won at Spurs when they had half their first choice team missing for various reasons.
Does feel though that many of those sides are getting most of their players back and will finish strongly while we will certainly be limping to the finish line if Kamara and Konsa injuries are more serious than they look, we won't finish CL if those two are out for next two months.
I guess one thing now is we will see how good Tim and KHH actually are under premier league pressure and whether they can be genuine first team players for next season or they'll be the next ones to sacrifice to pay the FFP bills. Sooner or later we need to find that out rather than just seeing them come off the bench for the odd minute or two.
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Not much to smile about yesterday but the round of boos that went up when Southgate’s face was shown on the big screen was funny.
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Yeah it was, I automatically boo-ed as a kind of Pavlovs Dog reaction, when my daughter asked me why I couldn't tell her. Instinct I guess as he'll probably do something to piss us off again soon.
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We are also playing against players who have won things - this is all new to most of our lot...
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Yeah it was, I automatically boo-ed as a kind of Pavlovs Dog reaction, when my daughter asked me why I couldn't tell her. Instinct I guess as he'll probably do something to piss us off again soon.
Advising Jacob Ramsey he needs to be playing CL football, or some such.
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Not much to smile about yesterday but the round of boos that went up when Southgate’s face was shown on the big screen was funny.
Yep, enjoyed that, and the speed with which it was taken down when the booing got louder.
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Bitterly disappointing result but very encouraging performance compared to Wednesday night.
As someone else mentioned our recent inability to defend set pieces is a big concern and highlights our need to have decent Central defenders. Being without Mings is one thing, being without Mings and Konsa is crippling. if those two play we don't concede either of those goals.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Have to agree with you tim. It was a must not lose game. The resultis a complete disaster. Had we beaten Newcastle it wouldnt have mattered as much but we lost that one too.
We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results. We wernt as shit yesteeday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal. 8 goals conceded in last 3 home games. Thats simply not good enough.
Also the set pieces at times were championship level. What the hell are we doing in training?
Were all our previous wins at home the aforementioned 'miracles'?
Well how about the more recent ones
Lucky not to lose vs sheff utd
Struggled against Burnley
Lost to newcastle
Lost to chelsea
Lost to united
Not exactly impressive is it? Also Ten hag hadnt beat a top 9 side away from home until yesterday. That result was a disaster
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Not much to smile about yesterday but the round of boos that went up when Southgate’s face was shown on the big screen was funny.
Yep, enjoyed that, and the speed with which it was taken down when the booing got louder.
A bit childish, he's only human and he was a great player for us. Probably helps that I don't support England.
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Not much to smile about yesterday but the round of boos that went up when Southgate’s face was shown on the big screen was funny.
that went out live on Sky too which was pretty hilarious
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Looking like Armageddon is just round the corner
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No consolation but 2 of their fans I've spoken to since the game thought we were the better team. If we can rediscover our killer instinct I'd bet on us finishing above them.
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And Onana can blow all the kisses he likes towards the Holte in the middle of the game trying to goad Villa fans but nothing will ever be as funny as Martinez shagging the post in front of the Stretford End
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And Onana can blow all the kisses he likes towards the Holte in the middle of the game trying to goad Villa fans but nothing will ever be as funny as Martinez shagging the post in front of the Stretford End
He's absolutely shite as well. I've never seen a shorter or fatter keeper. He appears to waddle out to miscue a ball into the stands on a regular basis.
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Have to agree with you tim. It was a must not lose game. The resultis a complete disaster. Had we beaten Newcastle it wouldnt have mattered as much but we lost that one too.
We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results. We wernt as shit yesteeday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal. 8 goals conceded in last 3 home games. Thats simply not good enough.
Also the set pieces at times were championship level. What the hell are we doing in training?
Were all our previous wins at home the aforementioned 'miracles'?
Well how about the more recent ones
Lucky not to lose vs sheff utd
Struggled against Burnley
Lost to newcastle
Lost to chelsea
Lost to united
Not exactly impressive is it? Also Ten hag hadnt beat a top 9 side away from home until yesterday. That result was a disaster
There is no impending or actual disaster, wind it in FFS.
And as for recent results, we’ve largely got what we deserved. Newcastle and Chelsea deserved to beat us, less so yesterday but we missed too many good chances.
As for the other games, we largely deserved exactly what we got, wins and draws. Your essentially saying we haven’t deserved the recent points we’ve got, because it serves your disaster narrative
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And Onana can blow all the kisses he likes towards the Holte in the middle of the game trying to goad Villa fans but nothing will ever be as funny as Martinez shagging the post in front of the Stretford End
He's absolutely shite as well. I've never seen a shorter or fatter keeper. He appears to waddle out to miscue a ball into the stands on a regular basis.
He probably won them the game though yesterday, and was easily MOTM in my opinion. Unlike Emi who let their second goal go straight through him.
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McTominay's header was a bullet at point-blank range, I can't see many keepers stopping that. Our passive pressing letting Dalot cross a beauty of a ball and Cash being bullied in the air were far more culpable.
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And Onana can blow all the kisses he likes towards the Holte in the middle of the game trying to goad Villa fans but nothing will ever be as funny as Martinez shagging the post in front of the Stretford End
He's absolutely shite as well. I've never seen a shorter or fatter keeper. He appears to waddle out to miscue a ball into the stands on a regular basis.
He probably won them the game though yesterday, and was easily MOTM in my opinion. Unlike Emi who let their second goal go straight through him.
Our finishing won them the game. Even the save he makes from Ollie, he's already committed before Watkins takes the shot. Wouldn't sulrise me if he hadn't closed his eyes. Absolute gimp of a player.
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McTominay's header was a bullet at point-blank range, I can't see many keepers stopping that. Our passive pressing letting Dalot cross a beauty of a ball and Cash being bullied in the air were far more culpable.
the only probelm with the goal was slack play in the build up, Moreno letting the cross come in, then Cash ball watching
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It should never have been allowed to get to Cash/McTominay in the first place. I disagree about Martinez, watch it again. McTominay's not even in the six yard box so hardly "point blank", and Emi is just too slow getting his hands up.
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Agree there’s carelessness around how we end up matching our defenders to attackers. One thing that bugs me a bit is I would expect DC to be front and centre for any physical challenges we face but he often isn’t.
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Agree there’s carelessness around how we end up matching our defenders to attackers. One thing that bugs me a bit is I would expect DC to be front and centre for any physical challenges we face but he often isn’t.
Agreed. It should have been him on McTominay as the closest central defender. It was just piss poor defending all round.
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Centre halves are too far forward hence the isolation of Cash.
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And Onana can blow all the kisses he likes towards the Holte in the middle of the game trying to goad Villa fans but nothing will ever be as funny as Martinez shagging the post in front of the Stretford End
He's absolutely shite as well. I've never seen a shorter or fatter keeper. He appears to waddle out to miscue a ball into the stands on a regular basis.
He probably won them the game though yesterday, and was easily MOTM in my opinion. Unlike Emi who let their second goal go straight through him.
He couldn't save that, was too close range to react in time.
Onana is one of those hit and miss keepers, will be 9/10 one week and then chucking them in and 4/10 the next so difficult to build when your keeper is so random.
Was some save from McGinn though considering he hit it at full pelt. The rest of the saves we just shot straight at him so all he had to do was stand still and let the ball hit him.
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Agree there’s carelessness around how we end up matching our defenders to attackers. One thing that bugs me a bit is I would expect DC to be front and centre for any physical challenges we face but he often isn’t.
Agreed. It should have been him on McTominay as the closest central defender. It was just piss poor defending all round.
It happens with Cash and DC a fair bit, they don’t seem to be synced up in terms of who should be taking who. See also the Jackson goal in midweek.
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It's ball watching ultimately by several of them
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
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At the moment they are (rightly) ahead of him as they both won a trophy and finished in the top 4. This season has a long way to go yet though.
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Agree there’s carelessness around how we end up matching our defenders to attackers. One thing that bugs me a bit is I would expect DC to be front and centre for any physical challenges we face but he often isn’t.
Agreed. It should have been him on McTominay as the closest central defender. It was just piss poor defending all round.
It happens with Cash and DC a fair bit, they don’t seem to be synced up in terms of who should be taking who. See also the Jackson goal in midweek.
I could be wrong, as I certainly haven't studied our defensive corners in any detail, but it "seems" like depending on the numbers they commit forward, our midfielders take the opposition defenders at corners (generally trying to make it difficult for them), while OUR defenders are free to attack the ball. See Carlos trying and failing to win the ball against Maguire - he wasn't marking him, but attacking the ball (just a foot behind where Maguire met it).
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He's a better manager than either of them. Hopefully he achieves as least as much for us as they both did.
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He's a better manager than either of them. Hopefully he achieves as least as much for us as they both did.
Not for us he isn't, yet. Ron had us finishing second and won a cup. Little had us 4th and 5th, and won a cup. All Emery has done so far is emulate Gregory and O'Neill in getting us all excited at being in the top three before falling away. He's got time to change that this season though. And Emery's cup record for us is dismal.
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I'm confident he'll win something with us, based on his past success.
Although I do question the performances of his teams in the cups - 4 soft exits now. And the European games at home we've scraped over the line in two of them.
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He's a better manager than either of them. Hopefully he achieves as least as much for us as they both did.
Not for us he isn't, yet. Ron had us finishing second and won a cup. Little had us 4th and 5th, and won a cup. All Emery has done so far is emulate Gregory and O'Neill in getting us all excited at being in the top three before falling away. He's got time to change that though. And Emery's cup record for us is dismal.
That's why I said hopefully he achieves as much as they did. All Emery has done so far is take us from skirting relegation battles to being one of the best sides in the country in a period of time where its much harder to be one of the best sides in the country. He's one of the best managers in the world. So let's keep on this trajectory.
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Not much to smile about yesterday but the round of boos that went up when Southgate’s face was shown on the big screen was funny.
Yep, enjoyed that, and the speed with which it was taken down when the booing got louder.
A bit childish, he's only human and he was a great player for us. Probably helps that I don't support England.
Sorry dad.
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
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Tough crowd.
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Just spoke to my very down lad who watched it round mates and actually had that Mark Goldbrige on in the background instead of the comms and he said Goldbridge was shitting it all through the game and thought including their fans Villa was hammering them and was so desperate for the draw.
Most of them said If only Villa had players who could finish itll be 5 or 6 1 .
Still think we will be Top 4 and expect us to go on a run now . Spurzzz wasnt convincing against Brighton and we are so much better than Manure.
Just need Diaby to click again . JJ will finish the season on fire.
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https://www.premierleague.com/news/3892274
This sums it up quite well.
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
Yep, it's obviously mental thinking that managers who finished higher up the table and won a trophy were better. Pass the meds!
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I detest this mob with a passion. Their first goal resulted from a free kick when St Marcus clearly dived to win it, which that pathetic mug of a referee fell for. We will win more games than we lose if we play like that in the future.
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I detest this mob with a passion. Their first goal resulted from a free kick when St Marcus clearly dived to win it, which that pathetic mug of a referee fell for. We will win more games than we lose if we play like that in the future.
Perhaps, but if we keep defending appallingly we won’t win many.
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judge the managers at the end of the season. At the moment Emery is behind Big Ron / Little and MON
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https://www.premierleague.com/news/3892274
This sums it up quite well.
Yup, good that.
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
Yep, it's obviously mental thinking that managers who finished higher up the table and won a trophy were better. Pass the meds!
It would be mental to think they're better managers than Emery in general though, even if they achieved more with the League Cups and a 2nd/4th spot respectively. I think the same would really hard to do now given the way the game has transformed in 30 years, which makes what we're doing now all the more impressive.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
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I detest this mob with a passion. Their first goal resulted from a free kick when St Marcus clearly dived to win it, which that pathetic mug of a referee fell for. We will win more games than we lose if we play like that in the future.
Perhaps, but if we keep defending appallingly we won’t win many.
Agree but then, of our five possible first team centre halves, these two are probably four and five!
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all well and good playing well etc and saying things like "on another day we win that" , but that is a game we had to win or at least not lose. It's a huge momentum shift. Absolutely gutted as you can sense what happens now . Hopefully Kamara is back soon but again knowing how things go it's 2-3 weeks out which turns into 5-6 weeks.
Have to agree with you tim. It was a must not lose game. The resultis a complete disaster. Had we beaten Newcastle it wouldnt have mattered as much but we lost that one too.
We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results. We wernt as shit yesteeday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal. 8 goals conceded in last 3 home games. Thats simply not good enough.
Also the set pieces at times were championship level. What the hell are we doing in training?
Were all our previous wins at home the aforementioned 'miracles'?
Well how about the more recent ones
Lucky not to lose vs sheff utd
Struggled against Burnley
Lost to newcastle
Lost to chelsea
Lost to united
Not exactly impressive is it? Also Ten hag hadnt beat a top 9 side away from home until yesterday. That result was a disaster
There is no impending or actual disaster, wind it in FFS.
And as for recent results, we’ve largely got what we deserved. Newcastle and Chelsea deserved to beat us, less so yesterday but we missed too many good chances.
As for the other games, we largely deserved exactly what we got, wins and draws. Your essentially saying we haven’t deserved the recent points we’ve got, because it serves your disaster narrative
Last nights result was a disaster simple as that. If you cant see that it wasnt i dont know what to tell you. If you think a 5 point cushion is a lot with so many games then you are in for a shock. All it takes is a loss at fulham and manure win and its 2 points. Then thats not with us either having to go to city and arsenal.
You have misquoted me i said the result was a disaster so read what i actually i wrote please =)
I agree those losses which argues my point that we have not been playing well at all. Especially defensively. Yes we have had players out but how many did spurs have out yet they got results? You should be able to do the simple defensive work like making sure hojlund is completely unmarked. Probably one of the stupidest bits of defending ive seen
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
and Steve Bruce took us from 16th in the Championship to play off finalists . Also impressive
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It really wasnt a disaster at all. That's just so over the top. It was a disappointing result. Getting relegated is a disaster.
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He's a better manager than either of them. Hopefully he achieves as least as much for us as they both did.
Not for us he isn't, yet. Ron had us finishing second and won a cup. Little had us 4th and 5th, and won a cup. All Emery has done so far is emulate Gregory and O'Neill in getting us all excited at being in the top three before falling away. He's got time to change that this season though. And Emery's cup record for us is dismal.
Spot on, but it is great to watch good football and get the expectation levels back to where the reaction to losing to those scumbags isn’t just meh!
In the league he has hugely over achieved.
In the cups very poor though he does have Europe to redeem this season.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
Pah, John Gregory did it in 11 games! ;)
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The result was a disaster.
But the performance was encouraging.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
Pah, John Gregory did it in 11 games! ;)
Emery is a more successful manager that any of the other managers mentioned. For Villa, he’s been here for 16 months, in a very different era, the others were here for 3-4 years, its an unfair comparison and reactionary because your pissed off about yesterday and pissed off the manager brought Bailey off.
The blokes worked minor miracles with a team that was destined for a relegation fight.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
Pah, John Gregory did it in 11 games! ;)
Emery is a more successful manager that any of the other managers mentioned. For Villa, he’s been here for 16 months, in a very different era, the others were here for 3-4 years, its an unfair comparison and reactionary because your pissed off about yesterday and pissed off the manager brought Bailey off.
The blokes worked minor miracles with a team that was destined for a relegation fight.
Your post is utter bollocks. He might be a more successful manager with his other clubs, but who cares about that? Mourinho was hugely successful before going to Spurs, but won nothing there. Atkinson and Little are the two most successful managers since I've been able to watch Villa under my own steam. Until Emery does anything to match those achievements, then it's hardly reactionary to suggest that they're more successful. Brian Little also took over a team in a relegation fight, and so did John Gregory and Martin O'Neill. I've already said he might turn it round this season, and if he does, then brilliant for him and us.
It's nothing to do with last night's defeat, I'd have said the same after smashing Sheffield United last week. Emery is doing very well, but as he hasn't finished a full season yet, it's miles too early to suggest he's our best ever manager. He might be a person's *favourite* manager, which is their personal preference, but winning something, isn't. If we're disregarding managers from yesteryear because football was different back then, I guess he's better than Ron Saunders as well then.
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Of course it matters what manages so with other clubs. That's how you decide if you employ them or not.
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Think I give it a rest for a few days, either people are going into meltdown or are windup merchants, reminds me of Manchester United and Tottenham and the Arsenal
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Of course it matters what manages so with other clubs. That's how you decide if you employ them or not.
But that's not what we're comparing. Is Alex McLeish a better Villa manager than Dean Smith because he won a League Cup with Blues, and Dean won nothing?
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Of course it matters what manages so with other clubs. That's how you decide if you employ them or not.
I wish we'd thought of that before debasing ourselves at the altar of Gerrard's playing career.
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It really wasnt a disaster at all. That's just so over the top. It was a disappointing result. Getting relegated is a disaster.
Ok ill re word it - its a disaster of we aant champions league football as thats what i mean.
There is different variations to what people define as a disaster and it was a must not lose game which we did so now effectively giving united a chance to catch us.
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Little kept us up on the last day of the season at Norwich, having took over in November. Unai got us into Europe. Gregory did similar. I don't think it's arguable to say that silverware counts and that Atkinson had a very good spell and so did Little. Fell to ashes very quickly, as seems to be the way. Emery should hopefully win us a trophy and finish in the top 5 this season, which for me would be a greater achievement than anything since 1982. The league is infinitely harder in a multitude of ways now than it even was under O'Neill, never mind 30 years plus back.
In terms of who the best manager is generally, it's Emery and by an absolute country mile.
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Just watching The Day the Earth Stood Still, the original one, seems appropriate today
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If and when Emery leaves the club he will go to a top club once he's done the biz for us. He is considered an elite level manager. We're going through a blip for one reason or another reasons we're all acutely aware of. I'm sure we're all hoping and praying that Emery brings home some silverware but football is a different beast to the 70's & 80's. We're competing against clubs that have benefited from massive cash injections from Oligarchs and Oil barons. Unai's not perfect but some of the football he's got them playing is pretty close to it. I'll take that for now and along with 40,000 other villa fans I'll back the guy to bring home the success we all crave.
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Emery is an amazing manager - and he's doing a fantastic job. Our best chance of longer-term success is him sticking with us for years to come.
He is clearly a world-class manager, just like Emi is a world-class goalkeeper. But as of yet, he hasn't achieved anything remarkable with us. TBH I don't think winning the Conference League would even count. He's doing a very good job - but I think we're all hoping this isn't the peak of what he can achieve during his time with us. As if it turned out to be - it would be a disappointment.
Winning the FA Cup, or qualifying for the Champions League - now that would be remarkable - as they are both things I don't think I will see in my lifetime. Emery gives us the best chance of doing it, and his sticking with us gives us the best chance of either of those becoming a reality.
That's why every time it feels like we blow a chance to achieve something remarkable it hurts and that's why people (including myself) over-react. If we're ever going to change the narrative of the last 30 years we need to grasp chances when they come. Yesterday felt like a chance missed that will cost us.
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Just watching The Day the Earth Stood Still, the original one, seems appropriate today
is that the one Morgan Freeman is President in
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
Pah, John Gregory did it in 11 games! ;)
Emery is a more successful manager that any of the other managers mentioned. For Villa, he’s been here for 16 months, in a very different era, the others were here for 3-4 years, its an unfair comparison and reactionary because your pissed off about yesterday and pissed off the manager brought Bailey off.
The blokes worked minor miracles with a team that was destined for a relegation fight.
Your post is utter bollocks. He might be a more successful manager with his other clubs, but who cares about that? Mourinho was hugely successful before going to Spurs, but won nothing there. Atkinson and Little are the two most successful managers since I've been able to watch Villa under my own steam. Until Emery does anything to match those achievements, then it's hardly reactionary to suggest that they're more successful. Brian Little also took over a team in a relegation fight, and so did John Gregory and Martin O'Neill. I've already said he might turn it round this season, and if he does, then brilliant for him and us.
It's nothing to do with last night's defeat, I'd have said the same after smashing Sheffield United last week. Emery is doing very well, but as he hasn't finished a full season yet, it's miles too early to suggest he's our best ever manager. He might be a person's *favourite* manager, which is their personal preference, but winning something, isn't. If we're disregarding managers from yesteryear because football was different back then, I guess he's better than Ron Saunders as well then.
Thanks for the considered response.
So, I didn’t suggest he’s our best ever manager, although he has all the background to be that, hopefully he will be as it means us winning stuff.
I never disregarded what our previous managers have done, I’m sure I enjoyed the successes of the BFR and Little eras as much as you did. I said it was an unfair comparison at this time because of the relatively short amount of time Emery has been here. So the whole better Villa manager discussion is a bit flawed in that regard. I do also think Emery is operating in a different footballing world as has been pointed out by others.
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Success means trophies / promotions / final league standings. As it stands Emery's hall of fame with us is 7th.
He's on the right path but lets see what happens
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Thanks for the considered response.
So, I didn’t suggest he’s our best ever manager, although he has all the background to be that, hopefully he will be as it means us winning stuff.
I never disregarded what our previous managers have done, I’m sure I enjoyed the successes of the BFR and Little eras as much as you did. I said it was an unfair comparison at this time because of the relatively short amount of time Emery has been here. So the whole better Villa manager discussion is a bit flawed in that regard. I do also think Emery is operating in a different footballing world as has been pointed out by others.
Well then I think we largely agree. He might be and in fact almost certainly is the most able manager we've had, and I hope that ability brings him the success he and we deserve. But you have to back it up by winning stuff or at least doing something materially better than anybody has achieved before. If he can reverse this current blip and get us to 4th or 5th at the end of the season, then that woud be seriously brilliant. Despite the December heroics we were never really likely to be able to sustain a challenge to Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal, but there's no reason we shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Spurs for the 2 places after that.
If Unai achieves that, it would be a superb season, and the best since Sir Brian. Winning the Europa Conference League would be the cherry on the cake. Sliding back and finishing 6th to 8th would be very "meh". Anything lower than that would mean we'd seriously imploded.
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Fair points that I'd agree with too.
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
Yep, it's obviously mental thinking that managers who finished higher up the table and won a trophy were better. Pass the meds!
It’s not mental, but there wasn’t the massive disparity of resources with 6 teams then.
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Thanks for the considered response.
So, I didn’t suggest he’s our best ever manager, although he has all the background to be that, hopefully he will be as it means us winning stuff.
I never disregarded what our previous managers have done, I’m sure I enjoyed the successes of the BFR and Little eras as much as you did. I said it was an unfair comparison at this time because of the relatively short amount of time Emery has been here. So the whole better Villa manager discussion is a bit flawed in that regard. I do also think Emery is operating in a different footballing world as has been pointed out by others.
Well then I think we largely agree. He might be and in fact almost certainly is the most able manager we've had, and I hope that ability brings him the success he and we deserve. But you have to back it up by winning stuff or at least doing something materially better than anybody has achieved before. If he can reverse this current blip and get us to 4th or 5th at the end of the season, then that woud be seriously brilliant. Despite the December heroics we were never really likely to be able to sustain a challenge to Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal, but there's no reason we shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Spurs for the 2 places after that.
If Unai achieves that, it would be a superb season, and the best since Sir Brian. Winning the Europa Conference League would be the cherry on the cake. Sliding back and finishing 6th to 8th would be very "meh". Anything lower than that would mean we'd seriously imploded.
Agree with all that. The worlds a better place…and Bailey has signed a new contract so all good.
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We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results
. Against Arsenal we showed resilience and defensive fortitude. Against SheffU we scored at least 2 legitimate goals - one turned away for very dubious reasons - and should have had at least one penalty. We certainly didn't play shit.
We weren't as shit yesterday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal.
I was surprised that we defended pretty well yesterday what with Lenglet and Carlos at CB; I expected a bit of a car crash. Yes, the defensive work at the corner was poor; no excuse after this season's success in defending generally, and despite losing 3 first-choice centrebacks.
I think, if you consider the journey we've been on and the injuries we've sustained, the trends are pretty good.
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The Sheffield United home game was atrocious. There wasn't a peep from the crowd all evening. Arsenal wasn't as good as the Man City performance, but it was still a good professional job well done, and the goal we scored was tremendous.
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The Sheffield United home game was atrocious. There wasn't a peep from the crowd all evening. Arsenal wasn't as good as the Man City performance, but it was still a good professional job well done, and the goal we scored was tremendous.
I think we bottled it that night really (Sheff United). Our best chances and penalty debates came about from woeful defending rather than top attacking play. The hype about going top under Friday night lights I think got to the players.We showed how utterly awful Sheff United are a couple of weeks ago.
A somewhat routine win over a Fulham team with increasingly little to play for would be welcome. Our squad isn't strong enough to cope with injuries to the likes of Kamara, Konsa and Torres. Torres getting through 90mins at Fulham could be huge for us. A night away from Villa Park might be no harm either.
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We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results
. Against Arsenal we showed resilience and defensive fortitude. Against SheffU we scored at least 2 legitimate goals - one turned away for very dubious reasons - and should have had at least one penalty. We certainly didn't play shit.
We weren't as shit yesterday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal.
I was surprised that we defended pretty well yesterday what with Lenglet and Carlos at CB; I expected a bit of a car crash. Yes, the defensive work at the corner was poor; no excuse after this season's success in defending generally, and despite losing 3 first-choice centrebacks.
I think, if you consider the journey we've been on and the injuries we've sustained, the trends are pretty good.
Hi mate 🙂
I mean it was a improvement on the newcastle and chelsea but that first goal i cant just understand how we leave hojland unmarked. It doesnt matter if you defend well for 70 mins if you make a collosal defensive error like that.
I hate to keep saying it but our injuries have not been as bad as newcastle and spurs and they keep getting results recently. We just seem to have hit a poor run at the worst possible time.
Hopefully with pau back (which i think is games away as he isnt getying any minutes whoch suggests to me he is still carry a injury) we will see an improvement
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
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On the villa inst its all spammed with mesaages from manure fans. They really are a sad and pathetic fan base
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We cant keep trying to remain positive and hope for miracles. We have been playing shit since the city game and had some fortunate results
. Against Arsenal we showed resilience and defensive fortitude. Against SheffU we scored at least 2 legitimate goals - one turned away for very dubious reasons - and should have had at least one penalty. We certainly didn't play shit.
We weren't as shit yesterday as a attacking sense but the finishing and defensive work has been absymal.
I was surprised that we defended pretty well yesterday what with Lenglet and Carlos at CB; I expected a bit of a car crash. Yes, the defensive work at the corner was poor; no excuse after this season's success in defending generally, and despite losing 3 first-choice centrebacks.
I think, if you consider the journey we've been on and the injuries we've sustained, the trends are pretty good.
Hi mate 🙂
I mean it was a improvement on the newcastle and chelsea but that first goal i cant just understand how we leave hojland unmarked. It doesnt matter if you defend well for 70 mins if you make a collosal defensive error like that.
I hate to keep saying it but our injuries have not been as bad as newcastle and spurs and they keep getting results recently. We just seem to have hit a poor run at the worst possible time.
Hopefully with pau back (which i think is games away as he isnt getying any minutes whoch suggests to me he is still carry a injury) we will see an improvement
Watkins pushes out like he was meant to and it doesn't really matter that Maguire wins the initial header. Maguire is good in the air and caused us problems at set pieces, Carlos should have man marked him. But look through the height of our team and we will always have issues at set piece time. Man United were very strong defending our multiple set pieces.
Watkins has been a bit sloppy defending set pieces recently, against Newcastle he simply missed a header at front post and they scored from it. Last night he wasn't on his toes and it cost us.
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
I think you’re right. We were superb in spells and they couldn’t have moaned if we’d have scored 5. We had them in the palms of our hands and just didn’t put the game to bed.
Defensive errors and missed chances cost us but the performance overall was very encouraging.
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
Superb ? we really were not . We played better than the very low bar of NUFC/CFC but we were not as good as you make out.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
and Steve Bruce took us from 16th in the Championship to play off finalists . Also impressive
There really really is no comparison there. Bruce failed in a ridiculously substandard league
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jumping ten places in the championship happens on a regular basis. Didn't Steve Cooper do similar at Forest? just as an example.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
and Steve Bruce took us from 16th in the Championship to play off finalists . Also impressive
There really really is no comparison there. Bruce failed in a ridiculously substandard league
I#m saying Bruce did a good job to pick the club up at a seriously low ebb and turn it around. Laid the foundations for Smith & Emery to build off
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
Superb ? we really were not . We played better than the very low bar of NUFC/CFC but we were not as good as you make out.
We were superb with the ball and they just couldn't cope with our movement. Unfortunately our finishing wasn't anywhere near that standard and 4 or 5 would not have flattered us. As hard as it is to take losing to those glory hunting bastards late in the game I saw a helluva lot to be optimistic about. We are beating Fulham on Saturday and the recovery starts there.
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
Superb ? we really were not . We played better than the very low bar of NUFC/CFC but we were not as good as you make out.
I think we were in spells. Some of the play to create the chances we made were exceplent. We let ourselves down defensively again but there are good signs that we are getting back to what we were. If you’d sat where I was you would’ve seen every one of their defensive unit were on their knees.
Still improvement needed to get back where we were but yes, I’d say some of what we did was superb.
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
Superb ? we really were not . We played better than the very low bar of NUFC/CFC but we were not as good as you make out.
Why ignore the 5-0 win last week when listing performances? As Vinnie says we’ve played very well in our last 2 league games the difference being we were clinical against Sheffield United but weren’t yesterday.
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We weren’t superb, we were good at creating chances. We missed most of them and we let in two really soft goals, that’s not superb.
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We weren’t superb, we were good at creating chances. We missed most of them and we let in two really soft goals, that’s not superb.
I agree. It was a improved performance but still for we were pretty poor in the final third especially in first half. I think we had one shot on target 1st 45 mins
It was nowhere near the levels before arsenal game. Im pretty aure if we played anywhere close to that we would have thumped united. Confidence esp at the rop end is low. Also having no pau who looks for the pass early is a big issue. Lenglet unfortunately (i dont want to slate him tok much as its not all his fault) but is nowhere near the level of pau
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We controlled the ball for long spell with some great passages of play which was a world away from the limp performances served-up against Newcastle and Chelsea.
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Our last 2 league performances have been superb. The midweek loss and injury news is just blurring and adding negativity (right in part)
But we were superb yesterday, just not clinical enough which we can’t afford against the likes of Yanited
Superb ? we really were not . We played better than the very low bar of NUFC/CFC but we were not as good as you make out.
Why ignore the 5-0 win last week when listing performances? As Vinnie says we’ve played very well in our last 2 league games the difference being we were clinical against Sheffield United but weren’t yesterday.
No, he said "Superb", we weren't.
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It's fine margins. If we'd taken 2 or 3 of the big chances we missed and come away with a 3/4-1 win that wouldn't have flattered us and we'd all be singing the praises of everyone involved.
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In fairness Unai also took us from 17th(?) to 7th in 6 months and European qualification for the first time in 12 years or whatever it was. That's a pretty impressive achievement, one that will culminate in Villa fans swimming in a fountain in Athens in three and a half months.
and Steve Bruce took us from 16th in the Championship to play off finalists . Also impressive
There really really is no comparison there. Bruce failed in a ridiculously substandard league
I#m saying Bruce did a good job to pick the club up at a seriously low ebb and turn it around. Laid the foundations for Smith & Emery to build off
Still no, Bruce just held us back for the time he was in charge.
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It's fine margins. If we'd taken 2 or 3 of the big chances we missed and come away with a 3/4-1 win that wouldn't have flattered us and we'd all be singing the praises of everyone involved.
yes , but we didn't , we didn't superbly take our chances and we were far from superb in defence.
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If they're fine margins (and maybe they are), we've been on the wrong side of them for too long now.
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We weren’t superb, we were good at creating chances. We missed most of them and we let in two really soft goals, that’s not superb.
1 really soft goal and one which unfortunately was very good - the cross was excellent and McTominay made the header his despite interest from our defenders. Of course, we should have been out of sight by then...
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If they're fine margins (and maybe they are), we've been on the wrong side of them for too long now.
Yesterday felt a bit different to me. They were no fine margins really against Newcastle and chelsea, we were just outplayed for most of both games. Nor Everton away really, an obvious offside and not much else created by either side. Sheffield we battered them, but yesterday, our build up play was really impressive, after they when 1-0 up we were all over them. So just frustrating we could stick it in the onion bag and all that
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If they're fine margins (and maybe they are), we've been on the wrong side of them for too long now.
And the reason we fell short is shit defending. At the end of the day that’s the real issue, we are coughing up so many soft goals. 8 in our last 3 home games.
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Emery has only been here just over a year taking over a side certain for relegation under that clown Gerrard. The same team also looked like it was failing under Smith. That’s a pretty impressive turnaround. The standard of football has been excellent and we’ve scored plenty of goals.
I loved our time under Little and Atkinson but I still believe Taylor’s time was more impressive and he didn’t win anything, we also nearly caved in, near the end of the season we got promoted and gave the title to Middlesbrough.
After only a year here it’s impossible to know if he will be successful but with his track record and pedigree as a manager on top of his first year here, we look in good shape for some kind of success. We’ve had bump, surely that’s expected in your first year? Especially with injuries and suspensions and a very uneven playing field regarding finances.
I do also believe it’s harder now than back then because of the ridiculous finances involved and teams even out of the top five or six, for example, Man Utd and Chelsea can spend stupid amounts of money that we can’t. The bench Man City have had during the last two games is crazy and then look at the resources Liverpool have up front.
Anyway, we’ve got our views, but it’s hard not to get excited and still believe we are in the right hands after years and years of managers failing to deliver. I’m 100% sure Emery is fantastic and the right man for the job.
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A few weeks ago we played Man City off the park. Yet it took a deflected goal to win a game we should have won hands down. A few days later, we were fortunate to beat Arsenal with probably our only chance.
Yesterday was similar to Man City, our movement & passing opened them up with ease. We just weren't clinical enough & we conceded another soft goal. We've come a long way in 18 months & whilst I'm gutted we lost to those wankers, there's a lot more right than wrong. I enjoyed watching us play.
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Ramsey and Watkins were woeful.
Ramsey wasn’t.
Totally agree….especially good in the first half
He was making all the wrong decisions 1st half, and very poor finishing - not sure why people are less critical when it's him
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One extra thing that really, really irked me yesterday was the replays on the big screens. Normally we only see Villa action but for some reason they were also showing replays of Manyoo chances. It’s our ground, don’t show action that encourages the opposition and their support.
On the pitch, the more I’ve thought about yesterday the more I think we played well and got a lot right. Fine margins etc but we need to be more clinical. 2 months ago we would have won that game.
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I don't think I'd use the word 'woeful'. I've seen that many a time over the years, and Ramsay weren't it. He looked like a player playing himself back up to speed in his best position, and I think he's just about there now. I thought he got stronger and better as the game progressed. There'll be no chance that ball skips away from his toe ever again.
He's the only dribbler we've got, and he's going to be hugely influential on where we finish.
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Bailey dribbles with the ball really well.
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We weren’t superb, we were good at creating chances. We missed most of them and we let in two really soft goals, that’s not superb.
Seen the first Manchester goal only tonight it was really poor
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Bailey dribbles with the ball really well.
Why do players slip my mind?? Yeah, he does. And he's getting better at it.
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Bailey doesn’t dribble, he dances with the ball. It’s mesmerising at times.
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Superb was the display against Man City , we should only use the word when it's warranted.
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Superb was the display against Man City , we should only use the word when it's warranted.
We were superb against Abu Dhabi City but we were no more clinical against them than we were against the other mob from that city.
We played well on Sunday but the defensive lapses and the fact we were playing a very very average team would stop it being any better than played well. Use of the ball was the compete opposite of the Chelsea game so was a positive but we still don’t get enough shots away, too often we want the extra pass rather than pulling the trigger, a bit more greed particularly Douglas & JJ is required.
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That's a good point. We should have put 4 or 5 on Man City. We should have put 3 or 4 on Man United (in both games).
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I’d say we weren’t at all clinical. In both games we only scored one goal and missed a load of chances. The difference is the defence. Man city had 2 shots all game. The 90s tribute act had loads.
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That's it, Man City was a great performance, probably the best under UE, but if you have 22 shots and score with 1 of them (via a deflection), you're not clinical.
And that is one of our problems (seen again in this match), not taking our chances. The other one, unfortunately, is defending.
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I’d say we weren’t at all clinical. In both games we only scored one goal and missed a load of chances. The difference is the defence. Man city had 2 shots all game. The 90s tribute act had loads.
In terms of genuine chances in the second half I can only remember Garnacho putting one past the post. I may have blocked out the others. Their winner was quality but it was out of the blue really. You were always nervy of our high line when that wasn't the case that night against Man City.
It's sickening as after Luiz equalised we looked sure to go on and win the game. Watkins x 2, Luiz, even McGinn in the first half...those were gilt edged and we put them all at Onana. One of those nights.
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
Exactly how I saw it....we generally gave them the space to carry the ball into our half at will....at one point Maguire walks the ball about 40 yards towards our defence totally unchallenged...yet when we pressed them they generally made a mess of things.
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There are certain players we press and others we let have the ball. It's the same for a lot of sides to be honest. The opposition let Lenglet carry the ball forward, to make sure they are covering everywhere and everyone else.
As for being clinical, they didn't have many chances but scored. We did, but didn't.
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
Exactly how I saw it....we generally gave them the space to carry the ball into our half at will....at one point Maguire walks the ball about 40 yards towards our defence totally unchallenged...yet when we pressed them they generally made a mess of things.
Yes I wondered that myself at one point, McGuire did say if it is to be believed, that they had players that can come off the bench and win you games,
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
Yep, it's obviously mental thinking that managers who finished higher up the table and won a trophy were better. Pass the meds!
How many trophies has Emery won in his career compared to Ron and Brian?
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Unai is the best manager we've had since Sir Ron, but possibly the only slight criticism I would have of him, is he sometimes leaves his substitutions too late, yesterday the subbing of Bailey did baffle me, maybe cost us the game. Anyway, obviously ignoring the result, there were far more positives than negatives, on another day we would have won quite comfortable, possibly the most pleasing thing was the improvement of JJ, still some way off his best, but he's getting there.
He's behind Big Ron and Little for me, still. Obviously the rest of the season still to go so that may change.
Nurse!
Yep, it's obviously mental thinking that managers who finished higher up the table and won a trophy were better. Pass the meds!
How many trophies has Emery won in his career compared to Ron and Brian?
please stop
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
we went to sleep , ball watching , cross came in too easily and Cash was asleep
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But in my view it should have been a centre half challenging him
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But in my view it should have been a centre half challenging him
you're probably right, i'd need to see the McTominay run again but i can't force myself to watch the goal again
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Cash wasn't asleep, he was behind him, the problem was that his run hadn't been tracked from midfield or by Carlos who ended up being a coupole of yards too far over and left a gap for McTominay to run into.
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Cash wasn't asleep, he was behind him, the problem was that his run hadn't been tracked from midfield or by Carlos who ended up being a coupole of yards too far over and left a gap for McTominay to run into.
Pretty much as he did for Sanchez's goal for Chelsea
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Cash had Garnacho behind him so I think was in two minds and Diego imv got caught ball watching.
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
You could hear emery on the telly going absolutely mental at the players in the 2 mins leading up to the goal, it was like he could sense it
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Cash wasn't asleep, he was behind him, the problem was that his run hadn't been tracked from midfield or by Carlos who ended up being a coupole of yards too far over and left a gap for McTominay to run into.
Pretty much as he did for Sanchez's goal for Chelsea
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A player's who's good in the air arriving into the middle of the box should have been picked up by one of the central defenders, in this case Carlos, not the right back who was the wrong side of him, as you'd expect a right back to be.
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The winning goal should never have happened. I think they walked the ball into our half unchallenged. Even then we stood off while the guy picked out a pass. I hate to think Emery has told them to do this.
You could hear emery on the telly going absolutely mental at the players in the 2 mins leading up to the goal, it was like he could sense it
He was, the fans were roaring us forward as usual but you could feel that he was anxious about our shape. I sit level with the touchline so had a perfect view of him doing his fruit.
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A player's who's good in the air arriving into the middle of the box should have been picked up by one of the central defenders, in this case Carlos, not the right back who was the wrong side of him, as you'd expect a right back to be.
Yep and as we said post game Carlos should be front and centre on physical battles.