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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on December 03, 2023, 03:50:57 PM
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That is the Villa.
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We go again.
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Is it over?
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No
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Twattish then
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Especially as we just scored. Mega fail.
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Daft to start this before the end of the game. Especially given how much added on time we get these days and we just scored
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Gained a point at a tough place not playing that well. Absolutely brilliant cross and finish by Ollie. What a fucking header.
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Didn't play great, got a point. Scored 2, hit the post, missed a sitter and had one chalked off.
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Oh do give over!
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Found a way to get a result unlike at Forest. I'll take that.
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Twattish then
Really any need for that?
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Rubbish. Got out of jail there.
Defence looks all over the place with Diego Carlos at the back. Don't think he has the legs for the PL.
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As soon as Cash came on we looked more solid.
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A draw. Not a win. Fuck!
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Great game for the neutral, no doubt. We were lax at the back especially 1st half. Distribution wasn't as good as usual. Bournemouth never let us play our patient build up and that seemed to fluster a few.
Lovely goals.
Zaniolo's last match.
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Twattish then
Up the Villa!
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Be nice.
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I only watched the second half and that was a tough watch.
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Twattish then
Really any need for that?
Very much so
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Daft to start this before the end of the game. Especially given how much added on time we get these days and we just scored
Agree. What a dumb thing to start it before the game finished!
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Away innit !
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Would have wanted a win before we go into the den against any city and Greenwich but great character from team to come back twice and not lose the game. Emery needs to sort out our approach to away games.
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A point we don't really deserve so hopefully its one we look back on as pivotal by the end of the season.
Martinez our best player by a distance which against Bournemouth isn't great. Lets hope thats the last we'll ever see of Konsa at right back.
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Could have gone so differently if their player was sent off as he should have been and Diego’s goal stood. They rode their luck there
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Daft to start this before the end of the game. Especially given how much added on time we get these days and we just scored
Agree. What a dumb thing to start it before the game finished!
The game had finished in my time zone. What is the problem bruh?
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Win the home games, draw the away games ...
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Could have gone so differently if their player was sent off as he should have been and Diego’s goal stood. They rode their luck there
True, however, they will (rightly) feel they made more than enough chances to win the game
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Too many mistakes from a disjointed side but we still got something and didn't lose. The referee was abysmal particularly in the first half when Bournemouth should have had at least one player sent off for a second booking and possibly Duran should have gone late on for putting his head in.
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Twattish then
Up the Villa!
Didn't know you had dandruff!
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Decent point given how shit we were. Hopefully don't see Zaniolo starting for a while, especially away from home.
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A point we don't really deserve so hopefully its one we look back on as pivotal by the end of the season.
Martinez our best player by a distance which against Bournemouth isn't great. Lets hope thats the last we'll ever see of Konsa at right back.
Why didn’t we deserve it? I saw nothing to suggest they were better than us to deserve the win
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And a world class header from Oliie Watkins to salvage the point. The only real sniff he got of goal all game and he took it.
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Didn’t play well but came away with 2 goals and a point. I’ll take that.
What is evident is that we need an upgrade at RB in January. Sticking Konsa out there when Cash doesn’t play isn’t the answer. Konsa is our most solid defender and we need him in the middle.
Zaniolo poor again too. Has he had enough time to prove himself now?
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Not great, not a disaster. Need to win one of the next two.
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Beginning to remind me of the MON era, Not convincing away from home but picking up points.
UE, does need to sort the away set up but I think part of it is squad rotation and we have a few that are not up to it.
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I think physical is acceptable, but the majority of challenges made by Bournemouth are illegal according to the rules.
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Awful performance. Didn't deserve it but we got a draw so that's something. Emi our man of the match otherwise Bournemouth would've been out of sight.
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They did a job on Douggie in that one just couldn’t get him dictating play. Diego Carlos was far too slow and casual all game. Still battled for, and just about, deserved a point against one of the inform teams in the league. Our inability to hold the ball in advanced positions was a real problem and despite his goal Bailey is a huge problem in that regard ( as was Zaniolo) and it means we constantly lost the ball in midfield.
Onwards to Wednesday and let’s see how we do against Cit£h.
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As I said elsewhere we have written off players like Bailey before and they are doing really well now.
Maybe I am too patient but I am not writing off an italy international just yet
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Tough afternoon.
We played against a rugged, snidey side and thoroughly incompetent officials.
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A lot of their breaks and chances came from being allowed to man handle us in a way we were denied to them, so credit to us for getting something in the face of that pitiful display of refereeing, again.
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Got out of jail there
Great performance from the worlds best goalkeeper and world class goal from Ollie
Fear for our goal difference after the next two games if we have repeat defensive show.
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A point we don't really deserve so hopefully its one we look back on as pivotal by the end of the season.
Martinez our best player by a distance which against Bournemouth isn't great. Lets hope thats the last we'll ever see of Konsa at right back.
Why didn’t we deserve it? I saw nothing to suggest they were better than us to deserve the win
They were the better team on the day. They created more chances and generally outworked us. If not for Emi then they'd have had 4 or 5.
You surely can't have thought we played well today?
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
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Emi did what we pay him for. Him making top saves is his job. Ollie did his job by assisting and scoring. Nothing undeserved about top players doing their job.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
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Great game for the neutral, no doubt. We were lax at the back especially 1st half. Distribution wasn't as good as usual. Bournemouth never let us play our patient build up and that seemed to fluster a few.
Lovely goals.
Zaniolo's last match.
I think this is a good summary - they had a game plan and it worked well and we struggled to find answers.
Think Zaniolo will be going back in Jan and we'll be finding a replacement - he just doesn't look up to this league. I had hopes, as hes a big lad - but he's been rubbish and getting worse.
Think Carlos at CB without Kamara doesn't work (not sure it works with Kamara). Konsa at right back isn't the answer as the drop-off in both right-back and center back it causes is too big.
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Decent point given how shit we were. Hopefully don't see Zaniolo starting for a while, especially away from home.
And maybe rested for home games😏
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
You have let the Proud Nation of France down.
Off to the guillotine.
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Who was that utter coward of a referee? If he hasn't the guts to make the big decisions, like issuing second yellows when they are fully justified, he should find a different job.
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That’s all a bit bizarre BE.
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Twattish then
Perhaps get a grip?
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Brilliant equaliser by Ollie, fortunate point but we take it and move on. Lots of players running on empty and a couple of others running out of chances. Thought Emery had a very poor day with team selection and timing of subs too.
Martinez 8 - few brilliant saves
Konsa 3 - one brilliant tackle but proven once again that he cannot play at right back.
Carlos 2 - pub league stuff for their first and to be honest doesn't seem PL standard
Torres 5 - struggled with Solanke throughout and very poor for their second. Decent with ball
Digne 5 - a bit meh really and under pressure for his spot now
Luiz 6 - started like a boss but definitely gassed at end. Thought he could have done better for their second and missed a sitter in first half
Tielemans 4 - can't play in a two, so weak in contests and we missed Kamara terribly
McGinn 4 - running very flat, not helped by a different position every game but no surprise to see him hooked early
Bailey 7 - brilliant goal, laid one on a plate for Luiz, unlucky to be replaced
Watkins 7 - quiet throughout until his outstanding equaliser, unbelievable header
Zaniolo 2 - chance in early minutes, self belief evaporated soon after. Might not play too much more for us
Ramsey 5 - disappointing really, Duran 5 - one deflected shot and little else, Cash 7 - gave us improved balance immediately, Diaby 7 - brilliant assist late on, Moreno 6 - one decent block, might get in now.
Emery 3 - terrible team selection with Konsa at RB being torn apart in first half. Faith in Carlos badly misplaced yet again. Waiting until.73min to bring Cash in on right beggared belief.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
And there’s no golden muppet thread to slag you off on anymore BE.
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That’s all a bit bizarre BE.
Thnak you for your input.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
And there’s no golden muppet thread to slag you off on anymore BE.
Jesus wept all!
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
If you would have posted a late dramatic 3-2 win from your time zone I’d have legged it to France and celebrated with you.
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Daft to start this before the end of the game. Especially given how much added on time we get these days and we just scored
Agree. What a dumb thing to start it before the game finished!
The game had finished in my time zone. What is the problem bruh?
*snigger*
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
Your misdemeanour is a casual error and we know the French are prone to this, what with Suez and all that kerfuffle, but your apology is Universally acclaimed.... I believe, not that I am in charge of the universe.
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Brilliant equaliser by Ollie, fortunate point but we take it and move on. Lots of players running on empty and a couple of others running out of chances. Thought Emery had a very poor day with team selection and timing of subs too.
Martinez 8 - few brilliant saves
Konsa 3 - one brilliant tackle but proven once again that he cannot play at right back.
Carlos 2 - pub league stuff for their first and to be honest doesn't seem PL standard
Torres 5 - struggled with Solanke throughout and very poor for their second. Decent with ball
Digne 5 - a bit meh really and under pressure for his spot now
Luiz 6 - started like a boss but definitely gassed at end. Thought he could have done better for their second and missed a sitter in first half
Tielemans 4 - can't play in a two, so weak in contests and we missed Kamara terribly
McGinn 4 - running very flat, not helped by a different position every game but no surprise to see him hooked early
Bailey 7 - brilliant goal, laid one on a plate for Luiz, unlucky to be replaced
Watkins 7 - quiet throughout until his outstanding equaliser, unbelievable header
Zaniolo 2 - chance in early minutes, self belief evaporated soon after. Might not play too much more for us
Ramsey 5 - disappointing really, Duran 5 - one deflected shot and little else, Cash 7 - gave us improved balance immediately, Diaby 7 - brilliant assist late on, Moreno 6 - one decent block, might get in now.
Emery 3 - terrible team selection with Konsa at RB being torn apart in first half. Faith in Carlos badly misplaced yet again. Waiting until.73min to bring Cash in on right beggared belief.
I usually disagree with you as I think your scores area but harsh but Tielemans aside I’d have him at a 5.5 that pretty much sums it up for me.
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Bournemouth have some good pacey attacking players that we struggled to contain . Although one shouldn't have been on the pitch and he cleared one off their line may I add
We looked a bit imbalanced , flat and tired but maybe that is part of having European Football
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Very happy. Great character in this squad.
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And there’s no golden muppet thread to slag you off on anymore BE.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
And there’s no golden muppet thread to slag you off on anymore BE.
I'm sure the "Ever get the impression you're deeply unpopular?" thread will suffice.
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'Watkins header salvages draw for Villa at Bournemouth'
http://www.skysports.com/share/13022083
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Do fuck off!
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Comparing results for league games so far and allowing for the promoted/relegated clubs I think we are 3 points ahead of the comparable games from last season. Mostly down to beating West Ham at home. The point lost at Liverpool is made up by the one gained at Wolves and the point lost at Forest is cancelled out by the one gained today.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
Your misdemeanour is a casual error and we know the French are prone to this, what with Suez and all that kerfuffle, but your apology is Universally acclaimed.... I believe, not that I am in charge of the universe.
Even so, I still think the powers that be should stand him down for the next Post-Match thread.
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Do fuck off!
Gotta be careful these days big man, you're going to get yourself cancelled.
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Well I had a good day having paid for the hospitality today as did quite a few other Villa fans. It is a very friendly club.
I think we were a bit fortunate today. Watkins saved us but he had been anonymous up until
then. Martínez was outstanding.
It is hard playing with a core team in so many games and we struggled with Bournemouth's energy and commitment, although they fouled quite a lot. Tavernier and Semenyo looked very good today.
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Do fuck off!
Gotta be careful these days big man, you're going to get yourself cancelled.
Girls !!!!
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Brilliant equaliser by Ollie, fortunate point but we take it and move on. Lots of players running on empty and a couple of others running out of chances. Thought Emery had a very poor day with team selection and timing of subs too.
Martinez 8 - few brilliant saves
Konsa 3 - one brilliant tackle but proven once again that he cannot play at right back.
Carlos 2 - pub league stuff for their first and to be honest doesn't seem PL standard
Torres 5 - struggled with Solanke throughout and very poor for their second. Decent with ball
Digne 5 - a bit meh really and under pressure for his spot now
Luiz 6 - started like a boss but definitely gassed at end. Thought he could have done better for their second and missed a sitter in first half
Tielemans 4 - can't play in a two, so weak in contests and we missed Kamara terribly
McGinn 4 - running very flat, not helped by a different position every game but no surprise to see him hooked early
Bailey 7 - brilliant goal, laid one on a plate for Luiz, unlucky to be replaced
Watkins 7 - quiet throughout until his outstanding equaliser, unbelievable header
Zaniolo 2 - chance in early minutes, self belief evaporated soon after. Might not play too much more for us
Ramsey 5 - disappointing really, Duran 5 - one deflected shot and little else, Cash 7 - gave us improved balance immediately, Diaby 7 - brilliant assist late on, Moreno 6 - one decent block, might get in now.
Emery 3 - terrible team selection with Konsa at RB being torn apart in first half. Faith in Carlos badly misplaced yet again. Waiting until.73min to bring Cash in on right beggared belief.
If having a goal disallowed for a narrow (albeit correct) offside, hitting the post and having a shot cleared off the line by a player who should have received 3 yellow cards in the first half is fortunate then maybe we were. But it’s not my definition of fortunate.
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This team just keep going. Not at our best but we just don’t give in and that just shows you how good we now are. Not only can we play but we can fight and every one of them give everything.
Emery has to mix it up, it’s physical impossible to play the same team and get results playing every few days. I don’t like Konsa at right back but that’s all we’ve got for now if we need to rest players.
A decent enough away point and now 2 huge home games to come.
UTV
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Not great, not a disaster. Need to win one of the next two.
That was my thoughts before today...4 points from the next 3 games is imparative if they want top 4.
I have been saying for some time I do fancy us to get somethig from Arsenal.
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Beginning to remind me of the MON era, Not convincing away from home but picking up points.
UE, does need to sort the away set up but I think part of it is squad rotation and we have a few that are not up to it.
Indeed. Rotation I fully understand the need but his complete change of set up is mind boggling. It's never really looked like working yet he persists with it away from home and in Europe. Maybe a right back next month with put a stop to it as we look half the team when he does it and he almost always has to abandon it at some point during the game.
Positives? Great goals from Bailey and Watkins, Emi brilliant and keeping us in the game, JJ looking comfortable and hopefully closer to 90 minutes, Alex the same and a point gained which on 89 minutes I thought beyond us. We do seem to have a wonderful habit of punishing teams very late in games.
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That's 7 league goals we've scored from 85+ mins this season.
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Our GK was our motm against a bottom 5 team, we were poor.
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Our last two games have been away from home, gone behind in both and we've come away with four points.
Good return.
I had a feeling we would drop points today.
Glad to get a point.
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We've lost 1 of the last 10 in the league going back 2 months. W7 D2 L1. We're doing alright.
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Do fuck off!
Gotta be careful these days big man, you're going to get yourself cancelled.
Whatever. See ya!
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Nowhere near good enough, but at least we scrapped something out of the game. We really need to get a grip defensively, we’re conceding a lot of soft goals and chances.
Need to be so much better on Wednesday.
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Beginning to remind me of the MON era, Not convincing away from home but picking up points.
UE, does need to sort the away set up but I think part of it is squad rotation and we have a few that are not up to it.
I’m sure Emery will keep improving as will the squad also allowing us the ability to rotate them when needed. MON moved us forward then backwards in his last season.
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For a long time it looked like we would lose, we, or rather Diaby and Watkins found a way not to, and I'll take that. A point is better than none.
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Big mistake leaving Cash out, they killed us first half down that flank. Carlos too slow Zaniolo should have come off before half time, the Premiership is too quick for him. JM carrying an injury? certainly missed his usual performance. Lucky to get a point.
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I always thought it was only admin that could start the match/post match threads. Can any of us start them?
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We got a point where we didn't really do enough to deserve. We struggled against their physicality & intensity, as we often do. We never really got the tempo of our game going. Playing on Thursday won't have helped.
Having said that, if the ref had any bollocks they'd have been down to 10 men with more than an hour to play. Woeful performance from a ref I'd never seen before. You can guarantee we'll get an elite ref for our games against the elite teams this week.
But we need to cut out giving away early goals in almost every away game.
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Yeah. Whatever day or time we like.
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We can't win them all but it's the disparity of performance between home and away games that bothers me.
Obviously we need to rotate players, and we have a squad that should enable us to do so without suffering a massive drop off in quality. But we seem to really struggle when Emery rings the changes.
We already know we need another RB in January, but the way the entire defensive line has to change to give Cash a break is not ideal and clearly doesn't work.
I'm all for giving players time but Zaniolo just doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe we can manage with everyone else fit, or maybe we need to be looking at another midfield option in January too. Might depend on how Buendia is progressing.
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It was a bit disjointed. But we kept going.
Bournemouth were much better than I thought they’d be.
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We really need to bring in some competition at right back - Ezri is not the answer there. Any injury to Cash and we are massively weakened.
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Buendia is ahead of schedule from something I read. May be available in March.
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Didn’t see any of the game today as I was lino at my lads match
All I know is when you fuck around with the back 4 it never works ever
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Should say that I rate Iraola, and I'm sure he and Unai shared a nice bottle of Txakoli after the game.
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It was a bit disjointed. But we kept going.
Bournemouth we’re much better than I thought they’d be.
They’re hitting a decent patch of form.
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We’re going to face more performances like this as the season progresses. Teams at the bottom hitting form and starting to believe they can stay up. It’s something we need to improve on away from home.
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The fact that Cash is on 4 yellows is worrying. Several games coming up where I wouldn't want to be playing today's back 4 in.
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To make the top 4 you need to be very good home or away and durable on the reverse - so if you look at 4 points from the last two away that’s decent. We’re not always going to play well, so being able to grit out points when we don’t is big. Now we really need to be at the top of our game for next two.
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Brilliant equaliser by Ollie, fortunate point but we take it and move on. Lots of players running on empty and a couple of others running out of chances. Thought Emery had a very poor day with team selection and timing of subs too.
Martinez 8 - few brilliant saves
Konsa 3 - one brilliant tackle but proven once again that he cannot play at right back.
Carlos 2 - pub league stuff for their first and to be honest doesn't seem PL standard
Torres 5 - struggled with Solanke throughout and very poor for their second. Decent with ball
Digne 5 - a bit meh really and under pressure for his spot now
Luiz 6 - started like a boss but definitely gassed at end. Thought he could have done better for their second and missed a sitter in first half
Tielemans 4 - can't play in a two, so weak in contests and we missed Kamara terribly
McGinn 4 - running very flat, not helped by a different position every game but no surprise to see him hooked early
Bailey 7 - brilliant goal, laid one on a plate for Luiz, unlucky to be replaced
Watkins 7 - quiet throughout until his outstanding equaliser, unbelievable header
Zaniolo 2 - chance in early minutes, self belief evaporated soon after. Might not play too much more for us
Ramsey 5 - disappointing really, Duran 5 - one deflected shot and little else, Cash 7 - gave us improved balance immediately, Diaby 7 - brilliant assist late on, Moreno 6 - one decent block, might get in now.
Emery 3 - terrible team selection with Konsa at RB being torn apart in first half. Faith in Carlos badly misplaced yet again. Waiting until.73min to bring Cash in on right beggared belief.
Konsa was worth 6 just for the tackle. It's not his fault he was made to play at right back.
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Although he's not been putting in faultless performances for Everton this season, I believe Ashley Young has retained a starting place in their side. Not giving him another season at VP is looking like a mistake.
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Great character from the team to get something when not at our best. 4 points from our last 2 away games is a great return.
We missed Kamara. Tielemans offers more further forward.
Zaniolo is struggling but he needs time like everyone else. Great goal from Ollie.
One of those games we lose all day long pre-UE, a good point.
UTV
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Although he's not been putting in faultless performances for Everton this season, I believe Ashley Young has retained a starting place in their side. Not giving him another season at VP is looking like a mistake.
I said that at the start of the season but, Everton fans are not exactly enamoured with him.
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Although he's not been putting in faultless performances for Everton this season, I believe Ashley Young has retained a starting place in their side. Not giving him another season at VP is looking like a mistake.
I think releasing him was right, not replacing him was the mistake. I reckon we missed out on someone.
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Martinez is worth 10 points in a season to us
we wouldn’t have finished top half last season without him
He is the only truly world-class player we have
Absolute privilege to watch
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Poor selection.
Spawned a poor performance.
Bournemouth must better than anticipated.
Emi played a blinder and saved by Ollie’’ header.
Ciao Zaniolo.
Bring on Citeh.
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Watkin’s goal was brilliant, and it’s nice to see Bailey properly settled in now. Great finish from him.
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The fact that Cash is on 4 yellows is worrying. Several games coming up where I wouldn't want to be playing today's back 4 in.
This could be why he was rested for much of this game.
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Blimey, what a bizarre start to the thread.
I'm glad we got a point out of that because it wasnt great but like someone said, we are going to get more and more games like this. Would have lost that it if it wasn't for Emi. Lovely equaliser though.
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Martinez is worth 10 points in a season to us
we wouldn’t have finished top half last season without him
He is the only truly world-class player we have
Absolute privilege to watch
There's not a better goalie in the world.
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Could we not play a left back at right back if we don't have Cash? Not ideal but it's a double whammy losing such a quality CB and having him struggle put of position.
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There isn’t another keeper I’d want than Emi. MOM for me. I couldn’t put my finger on what was wrong with our midfield then remembered, Kamara wasn’t playing. We missed him badly.
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Feels like a big opportunity missed today. The real worry is the level of performance again. Been too many like this to be taken seriously as a top 4 side
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Poor performance, but dug out a point. Just as at Spurs, got away with the opposition being really wasteful in front of goal.
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Only saw the second half but didn't rate the performance at all, final ball was poor so often until Diaby's excellent cross.
Will take the point gladly. That was a brilliant save from Emi at 2-1, that's what the best keeper in the world does.
Ollie was off it aswell but what a magnificent header that was.
For Man. City I certainly wouldn't be starting Zaniolo. Bit baffling how he keeps starting away when he is producing so little.
Think a 4 man midfield (especially with Rodri suspended for them) and Bailey in support of Ollie is the way to go.
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Feels like a big opportunity missed today. The real worry is the level of performance again. Been too many like this to be taken seriously as a top 4 side
So if that’s the case the sides below us not in the top for can’t be taken seriously either. And less so right?
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Feels like a big opportunity missed today. The real worry is the level of performance again. Been too many like this to be taken seriously as a top 4 side
We can't consider ourselves a top 4 side until we've got one of those overhead sky cameras installed.
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Poor performance, but dug out a point. Just as at Spurs, got away with the opposition being really wasteful in front of goal.
The old regression to the mean may kick in this season, as I feel our bad performances where we got something from the game have far outweighed our good performances where we got nothing, or less than we deserved.
That assumes of course that we maintain this level of play. I think we actually were playing better towards the end of last season than we have this, so there is also at least we also could have a higher ceiling than we've seen so far.
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Great point as we were tired, lethargic and very ordinary. But we found a way
Overjoyed at getting something
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A point gained in the end from an off day. Superb header from Ollie and a welcome moment of quality from Diaby’s delivery.
Bit of a riddle for Unai to solve on our away performances, something in the setup isn’t quite right and we seem to concede an exorbitant amount of chances. He’ll find the solution though, I’m sure.
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The riddle was obvious today though. We really missed Kamara centrally and Cash can’t play every game. I’d have played McGinn centrally myself and we desperately need another right back in January as Konsa is nothing more than adequate and a better right CB than Carlos.
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McGinn was anonymous today
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Newcastle got twatted 2-0 at Bournemouth a few weeks ago, are they a serious side for the top 4?
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Newcastle got twatted 2-0 at Bournemouth a few weeks ago, are they a serious side for the top 4?
Not for me Jeff .
Ci£y
Pool
Arse
ManU
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The Man U that just got completely outplayed by Newcastle? And are 7th with a minus goal difference?
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Newcastle got twatted 2-0 at Bournemouth a few weeks ago, are they a serious side for the top 4?
Not for me Jeff .
Ci£y
Pool
Arse
ManU
Man U 🤣🤣. It probably won’t be us but I really don’t think it’ll be them either. My guess is Spurs or Newcastle
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Newcastle got twatted 2-0 at Bournemouth a few weeks ago, are they a serious side for the top 4?
Not for me Jeff .
Ci£y
Pool
Arse
ManU
City, Liverpool, Arsenal top 3 set in stone in whatever order
4/5 up for grabs between half a dozen teams of which we are one
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We got something when not playing well. Thats what good teams do.
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Emery scratching his face before the first question was even asked in his post match interview. Not happy.
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Harsh. That's a bit like criticising the surgeon that's just saved your life for not putting the stitches in straight.
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Emery scratching his face before the first question was even asked in his post match interview. Not happy.
Understandable, I imagine he's furious
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Although he's not been putting in faultless performances for Everton this season, I believe Ashley Young has retained a starting place in their side. Not giving him another season at VP is looking like a mistake.
I think releasing him was right, not replacing him was the mistake. I reckon we missed out on someone.
I really wanted him to stay but we really did let him go at the right time. He's been shocking for Everton. At fault for so may goals so far. It really looks like time has caught up with him.
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Unai is undoubtedly brilliant manager. However, surely he can see that the set up in the last few away matches is not working. Not only is Konsa not a right back but we also miss his strength in the centre of our defence. Like someone else has mentioned, I be tempted to play Moreno or Digne at right back if he wants to rest Cash. Worth a try I reckon.
Special mention for another piss poor referee. Didn’t have the balls to send Semeyno off. Would have changed the game in our favour massively.
Zaniolo looks like he needs a rest. Hopefully JJ can get up to speed quickly.
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Epitome of a bonus point.
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Feels like a big opportunity missed today. The real worry is the level of performance again. Been too many like this to be taken seriously as a top 4 side
We can't consider ourselves a top 4 side until we've got one of those overhead sky cameras installed.
I'd suggest we can't consider ourselves a top 4 team until we start finishing in those positions. Every Villa fan would have been delighted to have been in the top 6 at this stage of the season, anybody grumbling that we aren't doing well can f right off IMO
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That's 7 league goals we've scored from 85+ mins this season.
Cheers, fella. That's a brilliant stat and one I hope we continue to build on. Winner on Boxing Day would be a great addition to it.
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We looked as though Thursday had taken a bit out of us so having Ramsey and Moreno back is timely. Bournemouth troubled us all through the game but we made chances too so a draw was about right.
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A bit concerning how easily Bournemouth cut through us at times but they have a few decent players. Solanke is really finding his feet at this level and Semenyo is decent. We really need to be putting these teams away though.
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I want to make three points:
After we beat Man Utd in Emery's first game I made a conscious decision to relax and trust his judgment. The twelve months that has followed has been one of the best years I can remember as a Villa fan. I don't get comparisons to MON and criticism of team selection, I really don't.
More broadly, I don't know how many seasons have ended with me grumbling 'such a pity we didn't draw those couple of away games instead of losing them. Those two points would have come in handy'. Today is one such game. We got nothing there last season. We got something today. It could be useful at the end of the season
The away form is the only slight negative at the moment but in the grand scheme of things we are doing amazing and on course for our best season since 95-96, a season in which we lost 3-0 at Anfield and lost twice to relegated Man City but still managed fourth and a cup.
Can we not just enjoy this, it is pretty damn amazing what we have done in twelve months!
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Semenyo is currently looking a bit of a snip for approx £10m.
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Considering we've got a good team and the world's best 'keeper, we don't half ship a lot of goals.
I know we score a lot and to some extent it's a trade-off, but it's worrying how open we are at times away from home. Not sure what the plan was today - it looked like we dropped the offside trap completely.
One thing's for sure, if Emery is going to rest Cash regularly or just isn't convinced by him (which would be a bit unfair, as he's a perfectly decent full-back) we need someone else. Moreno's right-footed twin would be perfect.
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Considering we've got a good team and the world's best 'keeper, we don't half ship a lot of goals.
I know we score a lot and to some extent it's a trade-off, but it's worrying how open we are at times away from home. Not sure what the plan was today - it looked like we dropped the offside trap completely.
One thing's for sure, if Emery is going to rest Cash regularly or just isn't convinced by him (which would be a bit unfair, as he's a perfectly decent full-back) we need someone else. Moreno's right-footed twin would be perfect.
The other thing for sure is, we score loads of goals
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Yes, and to be fair, putting it into context, Abu Dhabi have let in ten in their last four games.
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A bit concerning how easily Bournemouth cut through us at times but they have a few decent players. Solanke is really finding his feet at this level and Semenyo is decent. We really need to be putting these teams away though.
I think it also shows how important Kamara is.
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A bit concerning how easily Bournemouth cut through us at times but they have a few decent players. Solanke is really finding his feet at this level and Semenyo is decent. We really need to be putting these teams away though.
I think it also shows how important Kamara is.
Definitely.
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If you'd offered me a point away at Spuds and a win today I'd have taken it. If you're not playing well in a match then you need to keep picking up points and not lose, and while the overall performance wasn't great, the manner in which we got a point, ending the game on top, will hopefully mean the players are flying into the City game.
Lots of teams will drop points over the next month given how hectic the schedule is - if we can continue to turn losses into draws, that's a good habit to have.
To echo everyone above, Kamara is absolutely critical to how we play - he's one of the best defensive midfielders in the league - and we miss him so much in defending vs transitions, which Bournemouth are very dangerous in. If Emery doesn't trust Dendoncker, we need some quality cover for Bouba in Jan.
Now they're without Rodri, I fancy us to get something vs City at home. We tend not to have two bad performances in a row.
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
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Feel strangely positive after this match.
Bound to have the odd performance now and again, but to get a point from it is what good teams do.
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In days gone by we'd have 0 points from the Spurs and Bournemouth games after under par performances. We took 4 points and if we win the next game we're 3rd. I'll take that and party.
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In days gone by we'd have 0 points from the Spurs and Bournemouth games after under par performances. We took 4 points and if we win the next game we're 3rd. I'll take that and party.
We just need a little patience.
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We have to to get back to winning some clean sheets, especially away. We can't score two or three every game to win and sometimes need to grind out a 1-0. We could do it last season. But a very good point. We need an upgrade on Dendoncker and a new right-back.
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
In the cold light of day it was a shocking performance, defensively all over the place and Martinez earned us a point. Piss poor
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The defence is a lot weaker without Mings.
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If you'd offered me a point away at Spuds and a win today I'd have taken it. If you're not playing well in a match then you need to keep picking up points and not lose, and while the overall performance wasn't great, the manner in which we got a point, ending the game on top, will hopefully mean the players are flying into the City game.
Lots of teams will drop points over the next month given how hectic the schedule is - if we can continue to turn losses into draws, that's a good habit to have.
To echo everyone above, Kamara is absolutely critical to how we play - he's one of the best defensive midfielders in the league - and we miss him so much in defending vs transitions, which Bournemouth are very dangerous in. If Emery doesn't trust Dendoncker, we need some quality cover for Bouba in Jan.
Now they're without Rodri, I fancy us to get something vs City at home. We tend not to have two bad performances in a row.
If we have to win one and draw one, we got it the right way round, as Spurs will be in the same region on the table as us at the end of the season.
That said there is clearly an issue with us a) conceding goals and b) not being great and conceding early away from home. I expect Unai will figure something out and improve us in those respects, but until then it remains a concern, teams as leaky as us tend not to finish top 4.
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I want to make three points:
After we beat Man Utd in Emery's first game I made a conscious decision to relax and trust his judgment. The twelve months that has followed has been one of the best years I can remember as a Villa fan. I don't get comparisons to MON and criticism of team selection, I really don't.
More broadly, I don't know how many seasons have ended with me grumbling 'such a pity we didn't draw those couple of away games instead of losing them. Those two points would have come in handy'. Today is one such game. We got nothing there last season. We got something today. It could be useful at the end of the season
The away form is the only slight negative at the moment but in the grand scheme of things we are doing amazing and on course for our best season since 95-96, a season in which we lost 3-0 at Anfield and lost twice to relegated Man City but still managed fourth and a cup.
Can we not just enjoy this, it is pretty damn amazing what we have done in twelve months!
Yeah, bro!!
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Daft to start this before the end of the game. Especially given how much added on time we get these days and we just scored
How many goals have we scored after a Post Match thread has been started? Surely any discussion while the match is playing should be confined to the Match thread otherwise I don't see the point of two separate threads.
Should we nominate someone to have responsibility for starting the Post Match thread at the appropriate time? Reading some of the replies in this thread and some of the foul language it is clearly a serious issue and I hope the Mods can resolve it before the next Match.
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Semenyo is currently looking a bit of a snip for approx £10m.
although we did him the Freedom Of Bournemouth today ....
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Starting a post match thread while the match is still being played reminds me of the uber-arrogance of Mourinho when he used to go down the tunnel for half time on 42 mins :). Simply put , outrageous behaviour
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
Not sure it’s papering over the cracks - we were under par and managed to get a point. Not ideal, but not the end of the world.
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
In the cold light of day it was a shocking performance, defensively all over the place and Martinez earned us a point. Piss poor
Sorry, Corporal Jones, it wasn't 'shocking'. There were periods of play when we played some delightful football, and there was also some defensive frailty. The first 'mouth goal was a howler, to be sure.
I continue to be buoyed by the evolution that we're witnessing: after 13 months we're seeing progress in front of our very eyes. Feel privileged rather than critical.
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
In the cold light of day it was a shocking performance, defensively all over the place and Martinez earned us a point. Piss poor
Sorry, Corporal Jones, it wasn't 'shocking'. There were periods of play when we played some delightful football, and there was also some defensive frailty. The first 'mouth goal was a howler, to be sure.
I continue to be buoyed by the evolution that we're witnessing: after 13 months we're seeing progress in front of our very eyes. Feel privileged rather than critical.
Martinez saved 2 or 3 certain goals .
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We scored 2 beauties, hit the post, missed a sitter and had one chalked off. I've seen many, far too many, Villa shockers over the years and while we were defensively iffy at times, that was nowhere near a shocker.
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Papering over cracks. I’m sure the majority on here thought pre match we would still win despite Bouba’s absence.
In the cold light of day it was a shocking performance, defensively all over the place and Martinez earned us a point. Piss poor
Sorry, Corporal Jones, it wasn't 'shocking'. There were periods of play when we played some delightful football, and there was also some defensive frailty. The first 'mouth goal was a howler, to be sure.
I continue to be buoyed by the evolution that we're witnessing: after 13 months we're seeing progress in front of our very eyes. Feel privileged rather than critical.
Martinez saved 2 or 3 certain goals .
Yeah, he's great and we're very lucky to have him.
He does what he does.
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Martinez saved 2 or 3 certain goals .
Which is his job. It's what all keepers do. Well unless your last name is Nyland.
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We keep putting in sub-standard away performances because Emery keeps getting the starting line up bang wrong. I don’t expect to win every game but Emery keeps getting the team badly wrong in away games. It’s annoying because at home we’re almost perfect.
We've now failed to beat Wolves, Forest and Bournemouth away, three deeply shit teams.
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We keep putting in sub-standard away performances because Emery keeps getting the starting line up bang wrong. I don’t expect to win every game but Emery keeps getting the team badly wrong in away games. It’s annoying because at home we’re almost perfect.
We've now failed to beat Wolves, Forest and Bournemouth away, three deeply shit teams.
I know right. It’s almost as if there is an opposing team trying to score against us.
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Not sure how they kept 11 men on the pitch. Kluivert should have gone and Semenyo, just an utterly baffling failure.
Frustrating to give up such a pair of cheap goals. It's hars to maintain control of affairs when you're chasing. Dougie ought to have scored, Duran went very close and the equaliser was excellent.
Zaniolo looks utterly bereft of confidence and was far too lightweight against an overly physical bunch like Bournemouth.
Glad to get a point out of it in the end, as its games like this and Wolves we've lost in the past when not 100% with it.
I understand the need to rotate, there's a squad here for a reason. I think Konsa going to full back isn't one switch I'm keen on. He's a better passer of the ball and quicker than Carlos. A right back in January will aid the balance.
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The decision not to give Semenyo a second yellow was very poor.
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We keep putting in sub-standard away performances because Emery keeps getting the starting line up bang wrong. I don’t expect to win every game but Emery keeps getting the team badly wrong in away games. It’s annoying because at home we’re almost perfect.
We've now failed to beat Wolves, Forest and Bournemouth away, three deeply shit teams.
Is this what drove the Arsenal fans mad ? Obviously their bar was very high when Emery was there and the wriggle room for him was non existent
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
Did you watch the game?
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We keep putting in sub-standard away performances because Emery keeps getting the starting line up bang wrong. I don’t expect to win every game but Emery keeps getting the team badly wrong in away games. It’s annoying because at home we’re almost perfect.
We've now failed to beat Wolves, Forest and Bournemouth away, three deeply shit teams.
Is this what drove the Arsenal fans mad ? Obviously their bar was very high when Emery was there and the wriggle room for him was non existent
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
Did you watch the game?
Some of it - did I miss the bit where we didn’t get a point away from home against a side in form?
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The decision not to give Semenyo a second yellow was very poor.
I've just this minute seen it. I'd say it was outrageous.
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We've got something out of a game we should have lost. We need to learn from it but we're still handily placed.
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We've got something out of a game we should have lost. We need to learn from it but we're still handily placed.
same as last week.
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We missed Kamara too against these shithouses
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
Did you watch the game?
Shit though we may have been for long spells, we took a point, so he’s right, it wasn’t an utter disaster.
We are going to have blips and knock backs, we are an improving team a year into a journey. We are not the finished article, and the manager is not infallible.
The away form is not great but I’m more than happy to be patient with that given that we’ve just won thirteen consecutive home league games.
A bit of perspective needed, really. Annoying but hey ho.
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While 2 point from those 3 can be viewed as disappointing in isolation, the fact they are during a run of W7 D2 L1 means it's anything but disappointing.
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
Did you watch the game?
Shit though we may have been for long spells, we took a point, so he’s right, it wasn’t an utter disaster.
We are going to have blips and knock backs, we are an improving team a year into a journey. We are not the finished article, and the manager is not infallible.
The away form is not great but I’m more than happy to be patient with that given that we’ve just won thirteen consecutive home league games.
A bit of perspective needed, really. Annoying but hey ho.
This.
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Emery's tinkering away from home cost us again. Zaniolo starting with Bailey seemed too ambitious to me but I then thought fuck it, it's only bournmouth.
However we might aswell had 10 men on the pitch first half. Zaniolo played like a competition winner.
Shoehorning Diego Carlos in and shoving Konsa out wide doesn't make sense to me. Look at that amazing tackle Konsa put in 2nd half in a central position! Thats where he should be playing. He's the bestcentre half at the club and is comfortable on the ball. Everything Bournmouth did was down the right hand side.
I don't understand why we don't start strong, square pegs in square holes then when we're comfortably in control he can tinker and bring on the likes of Carlos, shift players about.
If we don't take our chance this season, the likes of Man utd, chelsea and newcastle will almost certainly spend heavily next year.
Martinez made some crucial saves as usual and fantastic header by Watkins. He really used the muscles in his neck to generate the power, to rescure the point. Did feel like a defeat for me with big guns coming up, but come the end of the season might be a important point, who knows?
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I wouldn’t mind if we played well, but that defensive display was atrocious. They could have scored 4 or 5. Every single away game Emery gets it all wrong from the start. Got away with it against Spurs but today was a really poor display.
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I’ll come back to - I assume he’s thinking we’ve got multiple games in a short period, including Citeh and Arsenal. He’s probably trying to rotate where best he can - all teams do it. Clearly it’s a risk, but so is running the players into the ground.
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Chelsea and Man Utd keep spending heavily and are still shit. One is mid table fodder the other is 7th and on a minus goal difference. We need to stop worrying about what they may do, as they may well be even worse next season.
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Fucking hell, seen the shirt pull again. What in the actual fuck? Useless ****** of a referee.
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Fucking hell, seen the shirt pull again. What in the actual fuck? Useless ****** of a referee.
Yep, dreadful decision. Ref needs demoting for a couple of weeks.
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
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Villa play a slow tempo game, we're not playing 100mph football. Every game we have moments where we stop the ball dead and no ones moving. Even when we were losing at forrest in injury time we weren't raciing about. I don't see playing the same spine every week a problem at this stage of the season.
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A point gained, they’re a decent side on a run of good form, playing at home.
Not at our best but there is a hell of a lot to like about this side.
We’re always in games as we have the capacity to score bags of goals from many sources, I can’t remember the last time you could say that about a Villa side.
Massive couple of games coming up.
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
I think it's a feeling of overall frustration cos they are a poor side who we didn't dispatch. We never really had full control of the game
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
We only had 3 shots on target.
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A point away from home, against a side in form, leaving us 4th in the league is hardly an utter disaster.
Did you watch the game?
Shit though we may have been for long spells, we took a point, so he’s right, it wasn’t an utter disaster.
We are going to have blips and knock backs, we are an improving team a year into a journey. We are not the finished article, and the manager is not infallible.
The away form is not great but I’m more than happy to be patient with that given that we’ve just won thirteen consecutive home league games.
A bit of perspective needed, really. Annoying but hey ho.
Bang on.
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It's going to happen though. We won pretty comfortably away at Chelsea, Man City concded 4 and got a point, they also lost at Wolves where we got a point. Over 38 games it happens to everyone.
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
We only had 3 shots on target.
We hit the post. So scored 2, missed a sitter and hit the post. And had one chalked off. Not really a shocker was it.
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We are a top 7 side , I think we will finish 6th unless there are step change signings in January (unlikely as it's a difficult window) .
The Mings injury has killed our defensive line
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A shocker was Bournemouth away last season, we could still be playing that and still not have scored. And that's with Bournemouth being off the pitch for most of the time since.
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We're not going to turn up every game, boss it and win. It's a strange mindset to have. Teams have offday's, it happens. Luckily, some fantastic goalkeeping and an outstanding header got us a point. I'm glad of it really because we wasn't great overall.
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It's a fantastic headed goal , I didn't think Watkins had that one in his locker.
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Our squad is missing Mings & Buendia.
January. We need a RB, DM & CF.
Not the best today but to draw shows we have some mentality.
4 points in a week away from home. I’d have taken that.
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We missed Kamara too against these shithouses
Tielemans sold himself constantly going to ground. Watkins had to come back from a corner one time and bail him out. Don't think Emery will be too keen playing him there again. With the Donk likely on the way out I wouldn't be surprised if we strengthened our CM options in Jan.
Zaniolo and Carlos won't get many more chances I think. Kamara and Luiz sitting in front of our regular back 5 and we will be a lot more secure.
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It's not his position. I'd have put McGinn in there myself and had him further forward.
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The performance showed very little in the way of control though, like most of our away games this season, which is the surprising thing because it's Emery's trademark.
Last season we seemed much more solid in these sorts of fixtures. I remember watching the game at Brighton and feeling relaxed from start to finish because we held them at arm's length.
This season we spend a lot of time putting out fires rather than keeping possession and calming the game. We seemed to manage it better in the second half when Cash came on, mind.
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The performance showed very little in the way of control though, like most of our away games this season, which is the surprising thing because it's Emery's trademark.
Last season we seemed much more solid in these sorts of fixtures. I remember watching the game at Brighton and feeling relaxed from start to finish because we held them at arm's length.
This season we spend a lot of time putting out fires rather than keeping possession and calming the game. We seemed to manage it better in the second half when Cash came on, mind.
I assume it's because we've gone behind early in the away losses/today. Plan A is out the window at that stage.
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Sorry, our away form really isn't very good, and it mostly stems from not being set up right from the start. It happens every game, and there just doesn't seem to be any need for it. Starting Zaniolo? Absolutely mental decision, however much people are expecting that "worldie any game now" he's been mostly abysmal. Dropping Cash and moving Konsa to right back. Why? Carlos isn't as good in the middle as Konsa, and Konsa isn't as good at right back as Cash. McGinn on the left? He never plays especially well there. There was no good reason for any of that, and it was all avoidable.
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Absolutely. The first today was absolutely criminal.
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The performance showed very little in the way of control though, like most of our away games this season, which is the surprising thing because it's Emery's trademark.
Last season we seemed much more solid in these sorts of fixtures. I remember watching the game at Brighton and feeling relaxed from start to finish because we held them at arm's length.
This season we spend a lot of time putting out fires rather than keeping possession and calming the game. We seemed to manage it better in the second half when Cash came on, mind.
I assume it's because we've gone behind early in the away losses/today. Plan A is out the window at that stage.
And we keep going behind early because Emery keeps messing around with the defence in away games. It's bizarre, why wouldn't you just pick your best defenders in their preferred positions? It works amazingly well at home, so here's a thought, perhaps try it away?
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Just looked at the table. 4th. A point behind Man City, three points off the leaders. All is good. All is really good.
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The performance showed very little in the way of control though, like most of our away games this season, which is the surprising thing because it's Emery's trademark.
Last season we seemed much more solid in these sorts of fixtures. I remember watching the game at Brighton and feeling relaxed from start to finish because we held them at arm's length.
This season we spend a lot of time putting out fires rather than keeping possession and calming the game. We seemed to manage it better in the second half when Cash came on, mind.
I assume it's because we've gone behind early in the away losses/today. Plan A is out the window at that stage.
And we keep going behind early because Emery keeps messing around with the defence in away games. It's bizarre, why wouldn't you just pick your best defenders in their preferred positions? It works amazingly well at home, so here's a thought, perhaps try it away?
I tend to agree with you on the Cash, Konsa, Carlos issue. I guess he’s rotating the squad, or he has something Emeryesque in his analysis of away games that we don’t see and isnt working quite right yet.
Still we’re 4th. Wednesday is going to be rocking down Villa Park
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We would of beat Bournemouth if we didn't have Europe to contend with. No juggling act involved!!
Just something we have to come to terms with. We can not always start our strongest eleven and Unai will need a year or two longer to have sufficient strength in depth.
Until then, we might occasionally have to put a peg in the wrong hole. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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We would of beat Bournemouth if we didn't have Europe to contend with. No juggling act involved!!
Just something we have to come to terms with. We can not always start our strongest eleven and Unai will need a year or two longer to have sufficient strength in depth.
Until then, we might occasionally have to put a peg in the wrong hole. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Even with the "getting away with it" element, we've picked up 4 points on the road which is a very good return sandwiched between a tough European game.
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I feel like maybe he’s trying to get Carlos up to speed, what with Mings being out all season. It’s worked to a certain extent with Tielemans, not so much with DC and Zaniolo.
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If you can’t win don’t lose and we did that today at a ground we’ve struggled at. But major credit to Martinez; he kept us in the game so many times. He is truly phenomenal.
Saw our bench strength today. Magnificent header from Watkins. Careless from Carlos. Zaniola way, way off it.
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It's not his position. I'd have put McGinn in there myself and had him further forward.
I hoped the second half against Spurs will have shown him how to set-up in away games. Tielemans off Watkins. Bailey on the right, Luiz and McGinn in the centre today. Left side, maybe Moreno in front of Digne with Ramsey able to replace Moreno once he tired.
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It's always easier with hindsight to say Emery got the defensive line up wrong, but he did today. Also starting with Zaniolo was a mistake; he hasn't shown the form or the capability yet to be up to the pace of the game.
There seems to be quite a few dismissive and patronising views of the opponents today, almost verging on arrogance. It wasn't long ago that we would have been content with a comfortable lower half position in the table.
I know they didn't play in midweek, but Bournemouth played well and kept the pressing and energy going all game, and they were creative. They are much better than the teams that came up for example, and have improved recently.
Clearly, they aren't as good as teams in the top half, but they aren't as terrible as they are being made out to be.
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It’s not rocket science and Emery has even said what he’s doing. Some players need minutes, we have lots of games and they all need to be playing at some point. Cash was rested obviously so he can play against Man City and Arsenal.
I’m sure we’ll see our usual 11 start against these two.
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It’s not rocket science and Emery has even said what he’s doing. Some players need minutes, we have lots of games and they all need to be playing at some point. Cash was rested obviously so he can play against Man City and Arsenal.
I’m sure we’ll see our usual 11 start against these two.
There have been similarly iffy decisions in just about every away game though. In any case, three points is three points, and I'd argue that Bournemouth away should be an easier game than Man City at home.
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Also, we need to be able to play in different ways so we don't become predictable.
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Also, we need to be able to play in different ways so we don't become predictable.
These different ways, away from home, they're not working. The predictable home line ups are.
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Also, we need to be able to play in different ways so we don't become predictable.
These different ways, away from home, they're not working. The predictable home line ups are.
Yeah, but long term they will and we'll win more stuff because of it.
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It’s not rocket science and Emery has even said what he’s doing. Some players need minutes, we have lots of games and they all need to be playing at some point. Cash was rested obviously so he can play against Man City and Arsenal.
I’m sure we’ll see our usual 11 start against these two.
There have been similarly iffy decisions in just about every away game though. In any case, three points is three points, and I'd argue that Bournemouth away should be an easier game than Man City at home.
Well yeah but that’s why you try to rotate in the Bournemouth game and hope you can still get the 3 points. It didn’t work out, but if we rotated against Citeh at home we’d likely massively struggle and fans would be very annoyed.
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Since we came back up, we have beaten Bournemouth exactly once in five games and never at their place. I'm not sure why it should have been an automatic win when a close rival in Newcastle lost there only two games ago.
Although Emery does need to stop handicapping us in matches going forward. Kamara missing didn't need wide-scale changes across the board. We know Tielemans hasn't worked sitting in front of the back 4 as well.
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I think there was a fair bit of load management today from Emery. I think we have to do it otherwise we’ll definitely be tiring out MON style by playing the same players every week. At the end of day we’ve got 4 points from two away games against Bournemouth and Spurs. Plenty of character shown in those two games. I’ll take that. Team and players still evolving, long term injuries coming back. I have total faith in Emery.
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People need to remember players are playing international games as well. He's doing absolutely the right thing shuffling it about. We might not like it but it needs to be done. I'm surprised some fans struggle or maybe just don't want to understand that.
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We have the 6th best away form and best home form (Liverpool 1 more win from 1 extra game, but we've scored more). And we're 4th. Not getting much wrong are we?
Qualified in Europe, doing well in the league. Pretty good this Villa lark of late.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
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Two contrasting posts there. Not that I disagree with how annoying it is to concede bad goals and cheap goals. They'll always wind me up and they MUST BE ERADICATED...on our quest for absolute perfection it seems when taken into context with the post above.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
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Happy with the point
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I guess we all saw how important Kamara is to this team.
Thought we were patchy but sheer guts (and some great quality) got us a decent point.
Ref was appalling and missed so many technical fouls as well as 2 x obviously 2nd bookings
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In my opinion we do not have the squad depth to finish in the top 4 yet. The fact Emery has us there is unbelievable. He has to rotate while we are playing 2 games a week and with only a few days rest. He’s managed the squad superbly and today we still came away with a point.
We have one of the best coaches in Europe and I reckon he knows what he’s doing.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
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We would of beat Bournemouth if we didn't have Europe to contend with. No juggling act involved!!
Just something we have to come to terms with. We can not always start our strongest eleven and Unai will need a year or two longer to have sufficient strength in depth.
Until then, we might occasionally have to put a peg in the wrong hole. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Even with the "getting away with it" element, we've picked up 4 points on the road which is a very good return sandwiched between a tough European game.
!0 days ago. Who wouldn't have taken that if offered?
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Happy with the point
You have a low bar . Albeit in the grand scheme of things if we keep averaging 2 points a game then we should make the ECL places.
Performance wise that was another iffy one today if we are being honest
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
No need for that.
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It's clear that while we have an improved squad it's still not strong enough for the amount of games we play in Europe. Emery has to rest players as best he can, I would love to be able to give JM a couple of weeks rest as Man City do with their better players. My only question to Emery would be why did you leave Cash sitting on the bench first half when it was clear he needed to be on.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
No need for that.
He started it
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
No need for that.
He started it
I'm finishing it.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
Made me laugh you calling him up on the grammar of his post. Has he called you up elsewhere that I missed?
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It's clear that while we have an improved squad it's still not strong enough for the amount of games we play in Europe. Emery has to rest players as best he can, I would love to be able to give JM a couple of weeks rest as Man City do with their better players. My only question to Emery would be why did you leave Cash sitting on the bench first half when it was clear he needed to be on.
I had this discussion earlier and our conclusion was that he’ll be needed to play 2 tough games in the coming week so was trying to keep him fresh.
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It's clear that while we have an improved squad it's still not strong enough for the amount of games we play in Europe. Emery has to rest players as best he can, I would love to be able to give JM a couple of weeks rest as Man City do with their better players. My only question to Emery would be why did you leave Cash sitting on the bench first half when it was clear he needed to be on.
I'm assuming PL managers don't hook players in the first half of games as player and squad morale might suffer. But same as with EtH at Newcastle the previous night, when it's that bad a manager can't simply sit on his hands. Konsa was being destroyed all first half. I didn't see any tactical changes such as switch McGinn over to quell the tide or even switch Luiz and Tielemans. Cash only came on in the 73 min. He comes on at half time or earlier and we win. It's that simple really.
Playing Konsa at RB causes two problems, he's rubbish defensively and offensively there. But we are also taking our best and quickest CB from the middle. As soon as Cash came in we had an outball down the right straight away.
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conceded early again in both halves , really is a bad habit and absolutely piss poor
You’re staggering boring
You're staggeringly poor with your grammar . See you next Tuesday.
No need for that.
Especially harsh to criticise grammar whilst not understanding the relationship between commas, full stops and spaces.
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A very minor point, but seeing 'AFCB' on the back of their shirt really ground my gears. I know they've been at it for years but it still feels like a bit of cheek to try to usurp the Villa and Arsenal in the alphabet order.
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A very minor point, but seeing 'AFCB' on the back of their shirt really ground my gears. I know they've been at it for years but it still feels like a bit of cheek to try to usurp the Villa and Arsenal in the alphabet order.
Haha good point , the yellow pages wars .
Aadvark Building Solutions ltd , lol
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The defence is a lot weaker without Mings.
We just need to sign a RB next month so we know Konsa will always be central for the second half of the season.
I had my doubts in August but he's stepped up magnificently to be the senior head at the back (while Pau continues to settle in). Just taking him out because of lack of alternatives at RB (given Chambers basically sold himself with that performance in Warsaw) is detrimental as that was schoolboy stuff from Carlos for their opener.
Is Lenglet injured as he was playing in europa yet isn't even making the bench for our prem matches. Barca will probably recall him in January as he's featuring significantly less here than Spurs where he did play a fair amount.
I think we'll see a bit of squad restructuring in January, all of Chambers, Donk, Lenglet and Traore moving on which hopefully gives us flexibility to bring in 2-3 who can be trusted to come in and give us the edge to get where we want to be.
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RB was a priority in the summer imho , as was a backup to Watkins and a better nr2 keeper , I still stand by those as priority signings still
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The defence is a lot weaker without Mings.
We just need to sign a RB next month so we know Konsa will always be central for the second half of the season.
I had my doubts in August but he's stepped up magnificently to be the senior head at the back (while Pau continues to settle in). Just taking him out because of lack of alternatives at RB (given Chambers basically sold himself with that performance in Warsaw) is detrimental as that was schoolboy stuff from Carlos for their opener.
Is Lenglet injured as he was playing in europa yet isn't even making the bench for our prem matches. Barca will probably recall him in January as he's featuring significantly less here than Spurs where he did play a fair amount.
I think we'll see a bit of squad restructuring in January, all of Chambers, Donk, Lenglet and Traore moving on which hopefully gives us flexibility to bring in 2-3 who can be trusted to come in and give us the edge to get where we want to be.
I think Lenglet was on the bench yesterday? Apart from the first game in Warsaw, he’s been very good in the Euro games. The problem he’s got is he’s not as good as Torres.
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The defence is a lot weaker without Mings.
We just need to sign a RB next month so we know Konsa will always be central for the second half of the season.
I had my doubts in August but he's stepped up magnificently to be the senior head at the back (while Pau continues to settle in). Just taking him out because of lack of alternatives at RB (given Chambers basically sold himself with that performance in Warsaw) is detrimental as that was schoolboy stuff from Carlos for their opener.
Is Lenglet injured as he was playing in europa yet isn't even making the bench for our prem matches. Barca will probably recall him in January as he's featuring significantly less here than Spurs where he did play a fair amount.
I think we'll see a bit of squad restructuring in January, all of Chambers, Donk, Lenglet and Traore moving on which hopefully gives us flexibility to bring in 2-3 who can be trusted to come in and give us the edge to get where we want to be.
Why would Barcelona recall him? That’s the sort of thing that clubs do for a kid or developing player on loan but Lenglet is neither of those.
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Why would Barcelona recall him? That’s the sort of thing that clubs do for a kid or developing player on loan but Lenglet is neither of those.
Perhaps if somebody wanted him on a permanent deal?
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
I do believe I was fairly refreshed by the end of the afternoon, which may account for this or that. I chose not to continue posting. A quick reread shows some lovely comments though. Thanks all!
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We look the real deal ar times now but we've developed a very unfortunate habit of giving away really avoidable goals. Carlos yesterday Kamara on Thursday both gave the ball to our opponents under no pressure whatsoever. Cut those silly mistakes out and we are capable of beating anyone. Konsas tackle in the first half was incredible. Baresi in his pomp would of been proud of that. I would love to hear from the officials why Semenya wasn't booked for a blatant pull on Bailey's shirt when he was already on a yellow. And listening to talk sport this morning some twerp from a bookmaker has us behind Man U, Spurs and Newcastle for a top four spot. His reasoning was down to us losing to Bournemouth yesterday. Strange that. I must of dreamt that Ollie Watkins scored in stoppage time with a brilliant header.
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Why would Barcelona recall him? That’s the sort of thing that clubs do for a kid or developing player on loan but Lenglet is neither of those.
Perhaps if somebody wanted him on a permanent deal?
Yep but not because he's not playing enough.
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salvaged a point thanks to a great header and some world class goalkeeping
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salvaged a point thanks to a great header and some world class goalkeeping
It's the kind of things champions do.
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salvaged a point thanks to a great header and some world class goalkeeping
It's the kind of things champions do.
win our next 2 and that point won't look too shabby
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It seems the law that, however flush we are and however well we are doing, we exit each transfer window with one really important position unfilled, and I suspect this window it might be RB.
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Lenglet was on the bench yesterday, in any case.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
I do believe I was fairly refreshed by the end of the afternoon, which may account for this or that. I chose not to continue posting. A quick reread shows some lovely comments though. Thanks all!
That's it now though, if we're losing late on you've got to go early on the post match thread in order to invoke a goal.
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Why would Barcelona recall him? That’s the sort of thing that clubs do for a kid or developing player on loan but Lenglet is neither of those.
Perhaps if somebody wanted him on a permanent deal?
Yep but not because he's not playing enough.
Barcelona's financial issues probably mean recalling him is not an option as they would have to pay all of his wages.
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I think the idea is that Barca want him off their books and at the very least thought he'd be in the shop window with us. As it is he's playing a bit part and we're unlikely to want to buy him. But as we discussed before, it felt pretty obvious we only brought him in as a reaction to Mings' injury. Not a panic "buy", but certainly an emergency one, so the way he's being used shouldn't be a surprise.
Before we signed him there were stories that Barca were just going to mutually agree to cancel his contract, or offer him for free transfer, so eager were they to get him off their books. I'm sure they'd rather get something for him though.
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Win the home games, draw the away games ...
Yep. 76 points for a season. Won't win the league, but steady nonetheless.
They'd done well of late too.
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And a world class header from Oliie Watkins to salvage the point. The only real sniff he got of goal all game and he took it.
Perfect cross from Diaby too. Really good goal.
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And a world class header from Oliie Watkins to salvage the point. The only real sniff he got of goal all game and he took it.
Perfect cross from Diaby too. Really good goal.
Yeah kudos to Diaby for not fucking around, control, shift it to make half a yard and whip it in, just what was required at that point.
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I would like to apologise to the world for starting a post-match thread before the final whistle. I now realise that this was a grave error and shows disrespect for women, former slaves, trans and gays, union members, the 35,000 people in the queue for season tickets and balti pies.
The person you should be apologising to Darren is yourself, because that's who you've let down most.
I do believe I was fairly refreshed by the end of the afternoon, which may account for this or that. I chose not to continue posting. A quick reread shows some lovely comments though. Thanks all!
That's it now though, if we're losing late on you've got to go early on the post match thread in order to invoke a goal.
So a stroke of genius from BE after all.
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And a world class header from Oliie Watkins to salvage the point. The only real sniff he got of goal all game and he took it.
Perfect cross from Diaby too. Really good goal.
the cross was good but was marginally behind him which made the header so good. It was far from easy
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And a world class header from Oliie Watkins to salvage the point. The only real sniff he got of goal all game and he took it.
He did, it was an excellent bit of skill and difficult to pull of for someone who is not a great header of the ball, not the worst but not the best. I look back at that chance he had against Wolves in very similar circumstances, far easier to score from but he misses the target. As he said himself on MOTD in the interview after the game, "it would have been a much better feeling had it been the winner". He's right too, we'd be 3rd now if he'd scored that one against Wolves.
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It was a bit disjointed. But we kept going.
Bournemouth we’re much better than I thought they’d be.
They’re hitting a decent patch of form.
10 points from the last 15 available.
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They'd won two before they played us, a good win against Newcastle and an expected one against Sheffield United. Before that though, it was 1 win in 11, against Burnley. So two of their three wins are against bottom three teams. They'd be 17th without Everton's points deduction, so let's not pretend they're better than they are.
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It was a bit disjointed. But we kept going.
Bournemouth we’re much better than I thought they’d be.
They’re hitting a decent patch of form.
10 points from the last 15 available.
Yep in which time they comfortably saw off Newcastle too. We were poor, but it was never going to be easy. A point in the end was a decent result.
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
We only had 3 shots on target.
We hit the post. So scored 2, missed a sitter and hit the post. And had one chalked off. Not really a shocker was it.
Agreed, PWS.
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While people keep saying we could have conceded 4 or 5, they don't say that we could have scored 4 or 5. And that they should probably have had a player sent off. It's not like it was some backs to the wall getting battered scenario.
We only had 3 shots on target.
We hit the post. So scored 2, missed a sitter and hit the post. And had one chalked off. Not really a shocker was it.
Agreed, PWS.
One off the line from a player that shouldnt have been on the pitch
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Poor overall, but churned out a result.
Thats what good squads do.
Semenyo (sp?) should have gone though.
Different game from that point if he wasn't in the pitch.
Officials are so shit...
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Not a bad point against a team, who have been in form, as for Ollie's header sheer class, he's in the form of his life, absolutely invaluable to us.
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Happy with the point
You have a low bar . Albeit in the grand scheme of things if we keep averaging 2 points a game then we should make the ECL places.
Performance wise that was another iffy one today if we are being honest
No, Axl sets highest standards for himself and others from what I know and as far as bars are concerned living in Tokyo they are all high 8)
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As many have pointed out under the previous manager we would have lost the match!
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They'd won two before they played us, a good win against Newcastle and an expected one against Sheffield United. Before that though, it was 1 win in 11, against Burnley. So two of their three wins are against bottom three teams. They'd be 17th without Everton's points deduction, so let's not pretend they're better than they are.
They'll finish around 12th IMO. Although we obviously weren't at it yesterday I thought they looked a very decent side and will take points off top 8 teams all season
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It's clear that something has clicked for Bournemouth recently.
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As many have pointed out under the previous manager we would have lost the match!
Had we still been managed by him we wouldn't have lost the match as we'd have been in the Championship.
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As many have pointed out under the previous manager we would have lost the match!
Had we still been managed by him we wouldn't have lost the match as we'd have been in the Championship.
correct, we'd have been grinding out a 0-2 defeat at somewhere like Huddersfield
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Starting Zani was plain wrong.
The defence was all wrong.
Our previous managers would have kept on repeating these kind of glaringly obvious mistakes.
Let’s hope the penny eventually drops for Emery for away games.
Otherwise he’s doing fine.
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It's clear that something has clicked for Bournemouth recently.
Definitely were lively in midfield and up front. Any time we attacked with purpose they looked very weak at the back, mind..
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Their stats against Newcastle in the last home game were a damn site better then the ones against us. So we definitely stopped them playing the same game style, just a shame we then gifted them the opening goal.
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Iriola has certainly turned things around for them and his ideas seem to be gaining traction. They were very aggressive and good in transition. That No10 Christie was an absolute pain in the arse all afternoon and we really struggled with their 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 approach.
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It's clear that something has clicked for Bournemouth recently.
Definitely were lively in midfield and up front. Any time we attacked with purpose they looked very weak at the back, mind..
very similar to the spurs game in the sense they murdered us down the left wing
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They'd won two before they played us, a good win against Newcastle and an expected one against Sheffield United. Before that though, it was 1 win in 11, against Burnley. So two of their three wins are against bottom three teams. They'd be 17th without Everton's points deduction, so let's not pretend they're better than they are.
Nobody is. Also let's not pretend they are pushovers (especially at home) either.
They have a new manager who has his team playing well at the moment, that's all.
An away point is a good point. I'm disappointed we didn't win, because I felt we had the beating of them but the next best thing is not being beaten ourselves.
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Luiz pulled out of some challenges yesterday, clearly to not get booked, so with him at 80% and Kamara out we were going to struggle to impose ourselves as much as we'd like.
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Just watched a re-run of yesterday's game. Both our goals were absolutely superb. But I'm now raging again due the utter incompetence of the officials. I just can't get my head around the decision not to book their player for a second time which would of meant them being reduced to 10 men with a whole hour left to play. I mean the referee was looking straight at it. He completely bottled it the absolute tosser.
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Just watched a re-run of yesterday's game. Both our goals were absolutely superb. But I'm now raging again due the utter incompetence of the officials. I just can't get my head around the decision not to book their player for a second time which would of meant them being reduced to 10 men with a whole hour left to play. I mean the referee was looking straight at it. He completely bottled it the absolute tosser.
The standard of PL referees is a total joke. Surely the premier league need to be calling them out as they are making a mockery of their ‘product’. I certainly would be if I were them.
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But controversy attracts eyes to the product.
Eyes means dollar signs.
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I think the first booking was for dissent ?
the second potential was a clear and blatant booking
maybe he bottled it because the 1st was a bit soft ?
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I think the first booking was for dissent ?
the second potential was a clear and blatant booking
maybe he bottled it because the 1st was a bit soft ?
100%, if he hadn't have booked him a few minutes earlier then he would've undoubtably booked him for the pull, he bottled that 2nd decision big time. Anyway after that we didn't do nearly enough to stop Semenya down our right, I'm more pissed off with that tbh.
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Anyway after that we didn't do nearly enough to stop Semenya down our right, I'm more pissed off with that tbh.
On that note, it would be no harm if Doku was out for the game on Weds.
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I think the first booking was for dissent ?
the second potential was a clear and blatant booking
maybe he bottled it because the 1st was a bit soft ?
It can't work like that though but yes I agree that's exactly what happened. For me it looked like he was going to go to the pocket and then changed his mind. Regardless of the first the 2nd was a clear booking and it was fucking stupid of the player knowing he was on a yellow and he knows he got away with one.
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Anyway after that we didn't do nearly enough to stop Semenya down our right, I'm more pissed off with that tbh.
On that note, it would be no harm if Doku was out for the game on Weds.
Too right it would, that'd be a result for us, no Rodri, Grealish or Doku.
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Did anyone see Ref Watch on Sky this morining and if so did they show the sending off that should have been in our game and what did they have to say? I was out and forgot to record it.
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Did anyone see Ref Watch on Sky this morining and if so did they show the sending off that should have been in our game and what did they have to say? I was out and forgot to record it.
Said it was a blatsnt second yellow but the referee was unfortunate as he couldn't see the incident properly. I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion to be honest, other than Semenya he had the best view in the ground.
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It was a bit disjointed. But we kept going.
Bournemouth we’re much better than I thought they’d be.
They’re hitting a decent patch of form.
As they showed with the stats on MOTD, it's starting to come together for Bournemouth and Iraola. I suspect it's an away point gained that will look better as the season progresses (whereas the defeat at Forest will look even worse).
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Did anyone see Ref Watch on Sky this morining and if so did they show the sending off that should have been in our game and what did they have to say? I was out and forgot to record it.
Said it was a blatsnt second yellow but the referee was unfortunate as he couldn't see the incident properly. I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion to be honest, other than Semenya he had the best view in the ground.
Thanks Luke. The ref couldn't see it properly? The shirt that was twice its natural width having been pulled so; would have been a bit of a giveaway wouldn't it?
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Did anyone see Ref Watch on Sky this morining and if so did they show the sending off that should have been in our game and what did they have to say? I was out and forgot to record it.
Said it was a blatsnt second yellow but the referee was unfortunate as he couldn't see the incident properly. I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion to be honest, other than Semenya he had the best view in the ground.
Thanks Luke. The ref couldn't see it properly? The shirt that was twice its natural width having been pulled so; would have been a bit of a giveaway wouldn't it?
I watched Ref Watch as well, and he did look like he might be unsighted. Warnock agreed, but thought he should have been able to tell from the way our player fell.
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As someone who too many years ago scored a few headed goals I can safely say that Watkins header was up there with the very best. The ball was a little behind him and it was pure brilliance that he could manouver himself to control the flight.
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As someone who too many years ago scored a few headed goals I can safely say that Watkins header was up there with the very best. The ball was a little behind him and it was pure brilliance that he could manouver himself to control the flight.
That header was something Andy Gray was very proficient at. He would have been proud.
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Id the ref couldn't see it isn't that the point of VAR to correct things missed by the ref? If a player headbutts another but the ref doesn't see it surely we're not saying VAR can't get involved because the ref hasn't seen it?
I'm totally confused by VAR.
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Id the ref couldn't see it isn't that the point of VAR to correct things missed by the ref? If a player headbutts another but the ref doesn't see it surely we're not saying VAR can't get involved because the ref hasn't seen it?
I'm totally confused by VAR.
That should be the whole point of it and if the ref has seen an incident, then the VAR official should only intervene if they feel a clear and obvious error has been made.
As it is, we effectively have two referees officiating the game and swapping opinions on a raft of decisions on a regular basis.
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Id the ref couldn't see it isn't that the point of VAR to correct things missed by the ref? If a player headbutts another but the ref doesn't see it surely we're not saying VAR can't get involved because the ref hasn't seen it?
I'm totally confused by VAR.
They intervene on straight red card incidents, not yellow (including second yellow) fouls. A headbutt would be a straight red. Even though it went against us, I'm happy with this. If they checked yellow card incidents games would last until midnight.
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Stupid VAR rule. Clear and obvious error shouldn’t be conditioned with additional rules.
It’s either an error or not. Not giving him a 2nd yellow was an error.
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Stupid VAR rule. Clear and obvious error shouldn’t be conditioned with additional rules.
It’s either an error or not. Not giving him a 2nd yellow was an error.
There has to be a line drawn somewhere though. Do you honestly want them checking every possible yellow card piece of action? I very much do not.
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If the referee couldn't see it, how could he have given us a free kick?
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If the referee couldn't see it, how could he have given us a free kick?
Exactly. The ref completely bottled it that's all. Dermot Gallagher making himself look stupid there trying to give him an excuse.
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Id the ref couldn't see it isn't that the point of VAR to correct things missed by the ref? If a player headbutts another but the ref doesn't see it surely we're not saying VAR can't get involved because the ref hasn't seen it?
I'm totally confused by VAR.
They intervene on straight red card incidents, not yellow (including second yellow) fouls. A headbutt would be a straight red. Even though it went against us, I'm happy with this. If they checked yellow card incidents games would last until midnight.
I agree, it would just open up another can of worms. This would just add to most of the other things I hate about VAR.
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Id the ref couldn't see it isn't that the point of VAR to correct things missed by the ref? If a player headbutts another but the ref doesn't see it surely we're not saying VAR can't get involved because the ref hasn't seen it?
I'm totally confused by VAR.
They intervene on straight red card incidents, not yellow (including second yellow) fouls. A headbutt would be a straight red. Even though it went against us, I'm happy with this. If they checked yellow card incidents games would last until midnight.
I agree, it would just open up another can of worms. This would just add to most of the other things I hate about VAR.
We just need referee's to referee games properly and apply the rules. A blatant pull on someones shirt is a yellow card. Pure and simple. We can't have ref's interpreting a thing like that just because he'd already booked a player. The absolute state of our referee's nowadays is pathetic. It kind of reminds me of social workers (I work in the NHS). Things have been interpreted and re-interpreted to such an extent they don't know if they are coming or going.
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I'm not sure where a deliberate shirt pull is an instant yellow card is coming from? Maybe closer to goal, or to stop a run through which might not be seen as DOGSO directly, it might have been but it isn't a set on stone ruling unlike the new delay in game one for example.
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Risso's right on VAR getting involved in the yellow card scenario, the game would end up as long as a game of American Football.
One thing we should all look out for when there is a contentious incident during a game is:. How does/did the referee re-start the game? In the instance of our game on Sunday, having given us a free kick which under the circumstances the fouling player already on a yellow should have received a second, that is when I feel VAR should be duty bound to alert the referee citing the fact that you've penalised the player for what is a yellow card offence and correctly awarded the free kick but not administered the second yellow, at the very least the referee should be asked to review it on the monitor.
Poor officiating by the referee and even if he didn't see the shirt pull, for which I don't believe for one minute, why not then consult his linesman because you can bet your house on the fact that he did!
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Risso's right on VAR getting involved in the yellow card scenario, the game would end up as long as a game of American Football.
On that subject, one suggestion has been to move to challenge system. Keep the goal line technology, but move VAR to a challenge system something like 2 per team per game. You have to abide by whatever the decision from VAR is from the challenge and the rest of the game gets refereed as it was for the previous 150 years - by the officials on the pitch.
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I'm not sure where a deliberate shirt pull is an instant yellow card is coming from? Maybe closer to goal, or to stop a run through which might not be seen as DOGSO directly, it might have been but it isn't a set on stone ruling unlike the new delay in game one for example.
As I understand it a deliberate pull on a players shirt, especially in this instance where Bailey was actually stopped in his tracks, that is a yellow card.
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A list of definite yellow card offences are
CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES
A player is cautioned if guilty of:
delaying the restart of play
dissent by word or action
entering, re-entering or deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission
failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in
persistent offences (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes “persistent”)
unsporting behaviour
entering the referee review area (RRA)
excessively using the 'review' (TV screen) signal
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:
attempts to deceive the referee e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission (see Law 3)
commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence
handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or for a challenge for the ball
denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or challenge for the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick
handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal
makes unauthorised marks on the field of play
plays the ball when leaving the field of play after being given permission to leave
shows a lack of respect for the game
initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is cautioned if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick
verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart
So as where there are definitive "if this happens yellow card it" there is nothing stating a shirt pull specifically.
I think persistence might be the one it could have come under or if the offence was around the area, it might have been given as well as closer to a an attack situation. (Although the same player also fouled on the edge of the area and still wasn't given one).
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commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack
This covers it for me.
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commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack
This covers it for me.
Me too which is why it's normally given.
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Although it was on the halfway line so how promising? I'm only pointing out that the Yellow decision is subjective, and not a definitive Yellow for a shirt pull which most seem to be picking up on, unlike for example kicking the ball away or taking the shirt off after scoring are definitive.
For what it is worth, his challenge later on should have been a yellow as that did stop a promising attack and was right on the edge of the box even if the ref decided the first wasn't.
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commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack
This covers it for me.
Should the word promising be in there? I think that makes it subjective.