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Title: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 12:13:25 PM
Europa Conference League, Thursday 30th November, 8pm

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 27, 2023, 12:15:56 PM
JJ, Moreno , Lenglent , Kamara ,Tielmans and Bailey to start , maybe Zano . 

save a few for Bournemouth but those players are good enough to start .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2023, 12:26:36 PM
Luiz and Digne need a breather anyway and probably McGinn too.

Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Lenglet, Moreno, Tielemans, Kamara, Bailey, Ramsey, Diaby, Watkins
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno, Bailey, Kamara, Tielemans, Ramsey, Zaniolo, Duran.

Watkins, Luiz, Diaby and McGinn amongst the options on the bench. Give Iroegbunam minutes too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 27, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
I’d be starting most of the current first choice and bring in JJ, Moreno, Tim, Moussa and Zani once we’ve got the game under control. I’d also start with Diego and Lenglet to give Konsa and Pau a rest.

Martinez

Cash
Carlos
Lenglet
Digne

Bouba
Dougie
McGinn
Tielemans

Watkins
Bailey

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 01:25:55 PM
Villa win, with Legia fans complaining about the result and quality of pierogi in the Lower Grounds.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on November 27, 2023, 01:30:01 PM
Martinez

Cash
Carlos
Langlet
Moreno

Ramsey
Kamara
Tielemans
McGinn

Bailey
Watkins
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 27, 2023, 01:33:34 PM
Bouba can play as he's having Sunday off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 02:15:51 PM
Martinez

Cash
Carlos
Langlet
Moreno

Ramsey
Kamara
Tielemans
McGinn

Bailey
Watkins

This for me as well. Diaby and Zaniolo on when we're 3-0 up to try and play themselves into a bit of form. Digne for Moreno on sixty minutes to ease Moreno back in gently.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Yeltzer on November 27, 2023, 02:18:34 PM
Villa win by two goals which is what is needed to win the group on the night
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 02:19:38 PM
Has Moreno played anything more than the 60 minutes with the U21s a few weeks ago?

I know we'll have to throw him back in at some point. I'm not sure starting in a must win game against a team like Legia is the time to do it though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 27, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
As usual - go strong - get it done - make necessary changes.

Keep in Martinez as whatever back line you have he is calming influence - hopefully he does not have too much to do

Hope that McGinn / Digne / Luis get some rest either the whole game or certainly no longer than needed

Win group - forget about it until Feb
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:31:51 PM
Has Moreno played anything more than the 60 minutes with the U21s a few weeks ago?

I know we'll have to throw him back in at some point. I'm not sure starting in a must win game against a team like Legia is the time to do it though.

The thing is a Digne booking at the weekend and Moreno might need to start against Man City. I'd want him to have at least half a game against a competitive side before facing up against Foden. From there I'd rather start him than bring him off the bench for this one because once the game is going it can be hard to stick to a planned sub.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Philek on November 27, 2023, 02:32:39 PM
After the almost inevitable delayed kick off for crowd trouble outside the ground, 2000 fans with 900 tickets. I reckon they’ll set up very defensively. Despite this, Villa to score first and then get a couple more. Legia to get one back when we switch off, 3-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 27, 2023, 02:35:49 PM
As usual - go strong - get it done - make necessary changes.

Keep in Martinez as whatever back line you have he is calming influence - hopefully he does not have too much to do

Hope that McGinn / Digne / Luis get some rest either the whole game or certainly no longer than needed

Win group - forget about it until Feb

Agreed
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
Has Moreno played anything more than the 60 minutes with the U21s a few weeks ago?

I know we'll have to throw him back in at some point. I'm not sure starting in a must win game against a team like Legia is the time to do it though.

The thing is a Digne booking at the weekend and Moreno might need to start against Man City. I'd want him to have at least half a game against a competitive side before facing up against Foden. From there I'd rather start him than bring him off the bench for this one because once the game is going it can be hard to stick to a planned sub.

Makes sense. Ideally I'd say 20 minutes at the end of Legia, and aim for the second half against Bournemouth. But as you say, you can't always stick to plans like that. If he starts and has to be subbed off after 20 minutes though, we're still in bother, but I suppose it's better to know if he's made of biscuits now than waiting until we have no choice but to play him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 27, 2023, 04:02:39 PM
Legia seem to be making a meal of the ticket thing and rather than say don't go, they are making a bigger play of what's going on, bit concerning.

Game wise, start Moreno, Lenglet, Tielemans, Ramsey and Duran please. Rest a few with Bournemouth to come, which will be tough as they are hitting form.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2023, 04:35:57 PM
Has Moreno played anything more than the 60 minutes with the U21s a few weeks ago?

I know we'll have to throw him back in at some point. I'm not sure starting in a must win game against a team like Legia is the time to do it though.

The thing is a Digne booking at the weekend and Moreno might need to start against Man City. I'd want him to have at least half a game against a competitive side before facing up against Foden. From there I'd rather start him than bring him off the bench for this one because once the game is going it can be hard to stick to a planned sub.

Agreed, obviously Emery has a few worries still over Moreno as not even getting garbage time run outs in recent games. 60/70 mins against Legia would bring him on a lot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 27, 2023, 06:37:02 PM
Do goalies get tired/ need to be rested much?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 06:56:50 PM
Do goalies get tired/ need to be rested much?

I've wondered about this before. I'd imagine they don't burn anywhere near as much energy as an outfield player, but at the same time they'd still have a base level of exersion they'd be used to, so..... maybe?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 27, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Do goalies get tired/ need to be rested much?

I've wondered about this before. I'd imagine they don't burn anywhere near as much energy as an outfield player, but at the same time they'd still have a base level of exersion they'd be used to, so..... maybe?

Imagine players like Higuita and Chilavert did, as they bombed forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 27, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
Think this might be another slow burner like the other Euro home games . I'll have to try and find a pub in London showing this once i leave the works xmas do early
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 27, 2023, 07:45:35 PM
I'm like Emery I love  having attention to detail.
Here some info to learn and for people to understand the selection process for Thursday

Pau and Diaby have both started only one match.
They are generally considered players for Premier League matches.

There are 6  European Conference first choices who have started evey game so far.Martinez,  McGinn, Digne, Lenglet, Tielemans and Bailey started every conference league match.

Player appearances in all 4:
Watkins,  Zaniolo, Cash and Konsa

Traore had minutes in 3 of 4 matches, but now injured so can expect some other player to get some game time.
Duran 3 Matches involved and 2 starts.

Chambers (50 minutes )and Dendocker (66 minutes) are more likely to be considered for minutes in the European Conference League. As they at least have started match.

In the Prem neither have started and
Chambers hasn't played one minute of Premier League and Dendocker 7 minutes

Ramsey and Moreno are an added bonus to give the options for selection and minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
Good stuff there. I've forwarded it to elmaestro@avfc.co.uk, it'll save him some time this week.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 27, 2023, 08:16:21 PM
0-2.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 27, 2023, 08:39:31 PM
There are a lot of benefits to winning this by a big enough margin to get the group done and dusted.  Therefore, I think we need to go all out to win it by as bigger margin as possible. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 27, 2023, 08:50:22 PM
3.0

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 27, 2023, 08:55:33 PM
I think Duran and Bailey might lead the attack though I'd play Diaby and Try and play him back into form
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 27, 2023, 08:59:43 PM
I can see us winning 2-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2023, 09:33:55 AM
I think we hand out a proper stuffing. 5-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 28, 2023, 10:29:59 AM
There are a lot of benefits to winning this by a big enough margin to get the group done and dusted.  Therefore, I think we need to go all out to win it by as bigger margin as possible. 
There are no direct benefits to winning more than 2-0. better to save more goals for Mancity.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 28, 2023, 01:26:56 PM
Do goalies get tired/ need to be rested much?

Not so much physically but their concentrations levels during a game are higher than any other on the pitch - they can do nothing for 89 mins but then need to be as switched on as if it was the 1st
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on November 28, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
It seems that we've cut Legia's ticket allocation from the  UEFA mandated standard of 5% of capacity - c.2,100 to less than half that number on the advice of the Safety Advisory Group (aka West Mids - in special measures- Finest)

Legia fans have got form, but aren't very happy.
Might make for an interesting evening on Thursday.

https://poland.postsen.com/news/403243/Legia-Warszawa-with-a-statement-and-appeal-to-Aston-Villa-%5BOFICJALNIE%5D.html
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on November 28, 2023, 02:20:18 PM
There are consequences to being massive twats, time to reflect and address said twattish behaviour or continue to get treated like a twat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 28, 2023, 03:32:23 PM
I’m hoping we give them a proper battering. Not just because they are twats, but because we’ve underperformed at home in the competition. It would be great to get a solid home win for confidence alone which is odd given how great we at home overall.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vegas on November 28, 2023, 04:13:10 PM
Sorry if this should be on another thread. We’re season ticket holders, sitting in our season ticket seats for this game. I didn’t go to the first two Europa home games. How does it work? Do we get sent / emailed a ticket / barcode for this game? If so has anyone had them yet?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vegas on November 28, 2023, 04:14:05 PM
I can see I’ve bought them on the Villa tickets website, but can’t see any actual tickets!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: DerbyVillian on November 28, 2023, 04:23:39 PM
I am a season ticket holder; mine came as an electronic ticket.
Check your emails, in case you have missed it.

Mine appeared in the Aston Villa app on my phone. Just click the ticket button in the  app.
Only checked there by accident.

The download to wallet button; doesn’t always work, in the email to download the ticket to your wallet. 🤔🤔

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vegas on November 28, 2023, 04:31:05 PM
Thanks for the Intel
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2023, 04:42:12 PM
Pre-match admission information, because as we all know nothing is ever their fault.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/get-matchday-ready-for-legia-warszawa/
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on November 28, 2023, 06:28:26 PM
Pre-match admission information, because as we all know nothing is ever their fault.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/get-matchday-ready-for-legia-warszawa/

On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 28, 2023, 06:33:34 PM
Pre-match admission information, because as we all know nothing is ever their fault.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/get-matchday-ready-for-legia-warszawa/

On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2023, 06:36:26 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on November 28, 2023, 06:53:22 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.

Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 28, 2023, 07:05:43 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.

Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.

I don’t think they’ll keep you there 77 years, you’d get in the way of the new North Stand construction.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on November 28, 2023, 07:07:30 PM
Sounds very much like the shenanigans for Blues games, the authorities must be anticipating some Polish hooligans turning up uninvited.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2023, 07:08:14 PM
Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.

I don’t think they’ll keep you there 77 years, you’d get in the way of the new North Stand construction.

;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on November 28, 2023, 07:11:22 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.

Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.

I don’t think they’ll keep you there 77 years, you’d get in the way of the new North Stand construction.

Only 77 years for the build to begin. I love an optimistic Villa fan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2023, 07:48:41 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.

Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.

It probably means for a short time until any congestion has cleared. They won't know the exact timescale until it's underway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Philek on November 28, 2023, 07:53:41 PM
Sounds very much like the shenanigans for Blues games, the authorities must be anticipating some Polish hooligans turning up uninvited.

Legia forums expect 2000 Legia fans, those who had already paid for flights and those that are based in the UK. They are a very stubborn bunch even with their own team ownership. They are coming to prove a point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on November 28, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

They’ll stop you there and hold you there, not permanently….temporarily!

Whilst playing muzak through the assembled loudspeakers.

Yes, I get the meaning of the word temporary, but pre-fab houses were temporary in 1946 and people are still living in them.

More detail needed from AVFC and West Midlands finest defining the length of the hold.

It probably means for a short time until any congestion has cleared. They won't know the exact timescale until it's underway.

If you want congestion, just put  one of the boys in blue in charge of the trafgic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2023, 07:59:52 PM
Sounds very much like the shenanigans for Blues games, the authorities must be anticipating some Polish hooligans turning up uninvited.

Legia forums expect 2000 Legia fans, those who had already paid for flights and those that are based in the UK. They are a very stubborn bunch even with their own team ownership. They are coming to prove a point.

I'm sure the police will be able to cope with them.
 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on November 28, 2023, 08:05:17 PM
Sounds very much like the shenanigans for Blues games, the authorities must be anticipating some Polish hooligans turning up uninvited.

Legia forums expect 2000 Legia fans, those who had already paid for flights and those that are based in the UK. They are a very stubborn bunch even with their own team ownership. They are coming to prove a point.

Pwopa Norty
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 28, 2023, 08:45:01 PM
There was quite a queue for the upper north before the Alkmaar game so would think it’d be even worse on Thursday, although they have highlighted one of the main problems that night of people trying to get in on the wrong ticket, when using their  phone if it was purchased in the bundle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 28, 2023, 08:57:09 PM
Pre-match admission information, because as we all know nothing is ever their fault.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/get-matchday-ready-for-legia-warszawa/

On the information maps what do they mean by “temporary hold”?

It's a slight addition to normal roadblocks that are usually in place for  any home match. The addictions are to stop home fans from entering  away fans isolated roads and realm.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2023, 08:58:21 PM
There was quite a queue for the upper north before the Alkmaar game so would think it’d be even worse on Thursday, although they have highlighted one of the main problems that night of people trying to get in on the wrong ticket, when using their  phone if it was purchased in the bundle.

There's an extra turnstile been put in there now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 28, 2023, 09:46:57 PM
Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but why are the first lot of steps as you turn to walk up to the Holte from Witton Lane blocked off now and why are  some of the lower turnstiles sectioned off?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 28, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
Keep hearing how scary these ultra groups are , yet all they seem to do is march in numbers bang drums and light sparklers . Ooh scary
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: artvandelay on November 29, 2023, 12:04:11 AM
Can I just point out ahead of time for anyone who sees their sob stories online about how Aston Villa have cruelly restricted their allocation.

1) They gave us the minimum and rounded it up by 50- it wasn't out of charity- they got the extra money. Then charged us for tap water after they locked us in.

2) Their racist and homophobic (I was assured they were merely these rather than fascist) ultras, with the big no left turn sign, hung around outside the Villa away end with weapons, causing us to be locked in for over two hours for no reason.

3) They repeated this behaviour in Alkmaar, storming the gates, which led to them being banned for Mostar, and therefore, UEFA and the Police agreeing to restrict their capacity in the UK. Nothing to do with Villa.

This is merely the consequences of their own actions.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2023, 12:08:31 AM
There was quite a queue for the upper north before the Alkmaar game so would think it’d be even worse on Thursday, although they have highlighted one of the main problems that night of people trying to get in on the wrong ticket, when using their  phone if it was purchased in the bundle.

There's an extra turnstile been put in there now.

What isn't helping is extending the car park to accommodate the coaches. You used to be able to walk round and be able to access the turnstiles on the far right.

Now it's just a bottleneck up the ramp. As much as I love the view in the upper North it's had it's time and needs to be pulled down soon.

As for the game the main benefit is we wont have Chambers running in treacle up and down the right, he was completely hopeless in Warsaw and they really exposed him.

The opportunity is there to win the group on the night and I think we'll do it with a 3-1 win so the tea lady and Jack Woodward will be playing upfront with Chambers at RB in Bosnia and we can rest our first 11 for Brentford.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2023, 12:49:51 AM
Keep hearing how scary these ultra groups are , yet all they seem to do is march in numbers bang drums and light sparklers . Ooh scary

I had a similar point of view until I lived in Poland, watched football there, and then other matches in Belarus, Moldova, Serbia and Russia.

The most shocking thing about the violence on show was that certain people enjoyed it and didn't seem to care if the target of said aggression, died.

On more than one occasion, people wanted to have a pop at me just because I was English. I don't mind defending myself against ******, but not when they have hammers, machetes and bricks with nails sticking out of them.

J League games are as dangerous as dropping my little girl off at playschool, thankfully.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 29, 2023, 07:57:41 AM
machetes and bricks with nails sticking out of them.

Wouldn’t the bricks shatter when the nails went in?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2023, 08:08:09 AM
machetes and bricks with nails sticking out of them.

Wouldn’t the bricks shatter when the nails went in?

Also very unergonomic to throw, and also to transport to site of rumble.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 29, 2023, 08:15:33 AM
Perhaps they were baked in during manufacture, that would work. Although I doubt there would be a large commercial market.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2023, 08:20:09 AM
machetes and bricks with nails sticking out of them.

Wouldn’t the bricks shatter when the nails went in?

It didn't occur to me to ask 😂
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 29, 2023, 08:39:02 AM
I've been going to watch Polonia Warszawa for years and hardly seen any bother there. Legia do have their fair share of idiots, although violence is not as commonplace as it once was. I don't see what the problem is with giving Legia the same share of seats as they gave us, a few more hundred won't cause much of a security problem. The bigger risk could be Legia fans turning up without tickets (there are lots of Legia fans that live in the UK) and causing bother around town.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2023, 10:19:34 AM
I'd give them the full 3000 and just enjoy a free fireworks display
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2023, 10:25:23 AM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/handv/permalink/1398154260778043/
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV84 on November 29, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
Zaniolo is in the training pics from today, so looks like whatever kept him out of the Spurs game wasn't long term.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2023, 05:26:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/handv/permalink/1398154260778043/

Is that our Facebook group?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2023, 07:14:02 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2023, 07:30:48 PM
Yes.

it looked a different typeface.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2023, 07:33:09 PM
Does that depend on if you open it via the app or the web?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: yammers on November 29, 2023, 07:33:10 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2023, 07:36:22 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?

Of course they'll be fine. They might see a few fireworks to talk about at school on Friday. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: yammers on November 29, 2023, 07:38:05 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?

Of course they'll be fine. The might see a few fireworks to talk about at school on Friday.

Very true! He would never forgive if we didn’t go!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 07:39:28 PM
Yes.

it looked a different typeface.
John Baskerville would have wanted it that way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?
If they are afraid of people marching with sparklers then stay at home
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2023, 09:29:48 PM
He's 11 years old.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2023, 09:33:27 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?
If they are afraid of people marching with sparklers then stay at home

That’s so fucking insensitive. He might well be fine but these aren’t just people with sparklers. A young kid might get frightened. It was a concerned parent that ask the question.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2023, 09:34:03 PM
He's 11 years old.
Most kids like fireworks don't they
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: yammers on November 29, 2023, 09:53:01 PM
He's 11 years old.
Most kids like fireworks don't they

Not my son.  He wears his noise cancelling headphones when we go to fireworks displays and sometimes has to wear them at Villa Park when he struggles with the noise.

But thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2023, 09:56:52 PM
He's 11 years old.
Most kids like fireworks don't they

Not my son.  He wears his noise cancelling headphones when we go to fireworks displays and sometimes has to wear them at Villa Park when he struggles with the noise.

But thanks for your input.
Probably one to avoid then now you've shared that extra information
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: yammers on November 29, 2023, 09:58:44 PM
I was more concerned about potential trouble not fireworks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2023, 10:02:02 PM
I was more concerned about potential trouble not fireworks.
Which was kind of my point, these nasty ultras lol, you should be fine on that front
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2023, 10:03:49 PM
With the amount of planning that's gone into this one I'll be amazed if we so much as see a Pole who isn't surrounded by police.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 29, 2023, 10:09:29 PM
I was more concerned about potential trouble not fireworks.
Which was kind of my point, these nasty ultras lol, you should be fine on that front

You really are the greatest, well done.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on November 29, 2023, 10:13:17 PM
He's 11 years old.
Most kids like fireworks don't they

Not my son.  He wears his noise cancelling headphones when we go to fireworks displays and sometimes has to wear them at Villa Park when he struggles with the noise.

But thanks for your input.

He must have been well chuffed when Danny Ings did this last season then for another mascot (assuming this isn't your son).

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1584175792447455233
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2023, 10:15:12 PM
My son was mascot that day too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 29, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?


I hope you guys have a great evening, my Lad is 11 and doesn’t particularly like crowds and noise, but bloody hell he loves it at the Villa 😊
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on November 29, 2023, 11:52:55 PM
I think 3-1 to Villa. One other thing, according to the forecast, it looks bloody freezing tomorrow night....!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 30, 2023, 12:05:16 AM
we need to rotate some legs as Bournemouth is a huge game . 5 changes , Villa 2-0. Ultras go home cold and unhappy  :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: algy on November 30, 2023, 06:17:34 AM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?


I hope you guys have a great evening, my Lad is 11 and doesn’t particularly like crowds and noise, but bloody hell he loves it at the Villa 😊
One of my little boys really wants to do to a match, taking him hopefully pretty soon (was going to be Sheff Utd but the buggers changed it to a Friday Eve and he won't manage that). The crowd noise is the concern with him for that, he's not a big fan of noises generally.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 30, 2023, 06:29:39 AM
Ideally I’d like us to rotate, we’ve a challenging couple of weeks coming up but then part of me just wants to win this group and forget about Europe so much for a few months, I’d be tempted to go full strength or near it.

As it is, I expect we’ll see Lenglet, Carlos, Tielemans and maybe Zaniolo and/or Bailey. Maybe even Duran.

I wish we had options at right back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 30, 2023, 06:47:59 AM
we need to rotate some legs as Bournemouth is a huge game .

We want players back fit, not cause more injuries.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 30, 2023, 08:23:28 AM
With the amount of planning that's gone into this one I'll be amazed if we so much as see a Pole who isn't surrounded by police.

They'll soon all scarper when they see Ozzy the Bull on New Street Station
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on November 30, 2023, 09:00:14 AM
we need to rotate some legs as Bournemouth is a huge game .

We want players back fit, not cause more injuries.
exactly my point , use the squad tonight , Sunday is huge
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 30, 2023, 09:10:11 AM
He's 11 years old.
Most kids like fireworks don't they

Not my son.  He wears his noise cancelling headphones when we go to fireworks displays and sometimes has to wear them at Villa Park when he struggles with the noise.

But thanks for your input.

He must have been well chuffed when Danny Ings did this last season then for another mascot (assuming this isn't your son).

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1584175792447455233

Was a lovely gesture from Danny, my own boy struggles with noise too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2023, 09:27:46 AM
There was quite a queue for the upper north before the Alkmaar game so would think it’d be even worse on Thursday, although they have highlighted one of the main problems that night of people trying to get in on the wrong ticket, when using their  phone if it was purchased in the bundle.

There's an extra turnstile been put in there now.

access the turnstiles on the far right.


We’re really making the Legia ultras feel at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bully2345 on November 30, 2023, 09:31:44 AM
It's a false economy to rest too many tonight. I think we'll change a couple but not en masse.

Win tonight by two and we can send a nothing side to Bosnia and skip two games in Feb in the play off round. I'd rather earn three games off than rest too many tonight
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mike on November 30, 2023, 09:32:27 AM
All this ultra talk is making me wonder whether I should be taking my 11year old.  Should be ok in the trinity lower though?


I hope you guys have a great evening, my Lad is 11 and doesn’t particularly like crowds and noise, but bloody hell he loves it at the Villa 😊
One of my little boys really wants to do to a match, taking him hopefully pretty soon (was going to be Sheff Utd but the buggers changed it to a Friday Eve and he won't manage that). The crowd noise is the concern with him for that, he's not a big fan of noises generally.

My lad was very like Villa Mole’s. He loved going to football with me so much he coped with the crowds and noise. I made the mistake of moving away from the family area and he hated the swearing and aggression. I asked someone to keep it down and it ended up with me and him exchanging words which was the last straw for him. Definitely try to get seats in the family area if you can.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on November 30, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
Satement victory tonight please.  No Lenglet, also.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: DeKuip on November 30, 2023, 11:51:53 AM
The Legia website announced the team’s arrival in Brum yesterday with the headline “Legionnaires already in Thomas Shelby’s town”.
“ Tomorrow we will show you the city - the icon of island industry and hard rock - and the stadium, whose original construction was created in the 19th century.”
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2023, 11:54:31 AM
The Legia website announced the team’s arrival in Brum yesterday with the headline “Legionnaires already in Thomas Shelby’s town”.
“ Tomorrow we will show you the city - the icon of island industry and hard rock - and the stadium, whose original construction was created in the 19th century.”

"the icon of island industry and hard rock"

Shit, I like that, fair play to them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Icon of Island Industry sounds like the experimental stage of a band. That funky 4th album that only the hardcore like.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
Satement victory tonight please.  No Lenglet, also.

Are you saying Lenglet is out? Or that you don't want him to play?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 30, 2023, 12:12:07 PM
Icon of Island Industry sounds like the experimental stage of a band. That funky 4th album that only the hardcore like.

Or like the name of the next game in the Zelda franchise, where things get oh so very different.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on November 30, 2023, 01:34:37 PM
I think we will see a very similar team to the last game at home in Europe and it should be enough.

It will be cold, noisy, tense and ultimately slightly frustrating.

1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on November 30, 2023, 02:22:53 PM
have Legia's ultras closed off the centre of Birmingham yet ?

not that it makes any odds to us as we don't drink in town....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2023, 04:05:01 PM
Those of you coming from Warmshires and your holiday homes in south and west be warned it’s going to be -2 at KO time however it’ll stay dry.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 30, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
The Legia website announced the team’s arrival in Brum yesterday with the headline “Legionnaires already in Thomas Shelby’s town”.
“ Tomorrow we will show you the city - the icon of island industry and hard rock - and the stadium, whose original construction was created in the 19th century.”

"the icon of island industry and hard rock"

Shit, I like that, fair play to them.

Its pretty good to be fair
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on November 30, 2023, 04:58:46 PM
The Legia website announced the team’s arrival in Brum yesterday with the headline “Legionnaires already in Thomas Shelby’s town”.
“ Tomorrow we will show you the city - the icon of island industry and hard rock - and the stadium, whose original construction was created in the 19th century.”

"the icon of island industry and hard rock"

Shit, I like that, fair play to them.

Its pretty good to be fair
What does the icon of island industry mean?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on November 30, 2023, 05:00:16 PM
It's a false economy to rest too many tonight. I think we'll change a couple but not en masse.

Win tonight by two and we can send a nothing side to Bosnia and skip two games in Feb in the play off round. I'd rather earn three games off than rest too many tonight

Yeah I agree, need to put a strong side out tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 05:16:54 PM
The Legia website announced the team’s arrival in Brum yesterday with the headline “Legionnaires already in Thomas Shelby’s town”.
“ Tomorrow we will show you the city - the icon of island industry and hard rock - and the stadium, whose original construction was created in the 19th century.”

"the icon of island industry and hard rock"

Shit, I like that, fair play to them.

Its pretty good to be fair

What does the icon of island industry mean?

The rest of the world knows them as roundabouts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on November 30, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
What does the icon of island industry mean?

A translation error but we were pretty much the city of a thousand trades during the Industrial Revolution and after so a reference to that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 05:29:10 PM
Us 3 Them 1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on November 30, 2023, 05:42:37 PM
What does the icon of island industry mean?

A translation error but we were pretty much the city of a thousand trades during the Industrial Revolution and after so a reference to that.
Nice one thank you
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 30, 2023, 06:06:04 PM
I can confirm there’s no Ultra’s in Harvester Fort Dunlop area as yet
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 06:06:49 PM
Witton Lane

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMwwU3XkAAHCTR?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMsZMnXsAEpi0W?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMsZMwW0AAOkIu?format=jpg&name=360x360)

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: lovejoy on November 30, 2023, 06:10:49 PM
Those of you coming from Warmshires and your holiday homes in south and west be warned it’s going to be -2 at KO time however it’ll stay dry.

it was that temperature in Poznan last weekend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 30, 2023, 06:11:26 PM
Witton Lane

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMwwU3XkAAHCTR?format=jpg&name=small)

Expecting a quiet night then
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 30, 2023, 06:16:17 PM
Got a single spare ticket in upper north if anyone is interested, free to a good home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 30, 2023, 06:21:49 PM
I bet WMPs finest have been in training for this one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2023, 06:23:30 PM
Just even travelling back to Brum and there are long delays on the southbound on the M6 from J10 tonight for those heading that way. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on November 30, 2023, 06:27:48 PM
Plenty of Police vans in Town and two have just blue lighted down Burlington St by the Bartons. I could hear faint singing in the distance. Some LW fans strolling around as well but no trouble so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 06:31:36 PM
I've seen a few pics and videos from Legia fans in home parts of the ground. Including this one that shows the away end and the amount of stewards etc already in place despite it being currently empty.

https://twitter.com/LigezaMateusz/status/1730292292424999344
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on November 30, 2023, 06:46:29 PM
Let's do it for Shane MacGowan
Rum....Sodomy....AND the lash!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2023, 07:03:46 PM
Witton Lane

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAMwwU3XkAAHCTR?format=jpg&name=small)

Expecting a quiet night then
Overtime all paid by me, you and him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Legia Warsaw - Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 01:06:17 PM
I've seen a few pics and videos from Legia fans in home parts of the ground. Including this one that shows the away end and the amount of stewards etc already in place despite it being currently empty.

https://twitter.com/LigezaMateusz/status/1730292292424999344

He is a reporter so probably in the Trinity legitimately.
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