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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on November 20, 2023, 07:05:40 PM
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With four matches in ten days beginning next week, the squad and resources will be really put to the test.
It's exciting, but there's also concern that further injuries or match suspensions could occur during this period. So with only two non playing days between games rotating will have to occurs as well and the amount of games will be impacting playing performance and player selections.
Legia Warsaw h- Thursday 30th Nov
Bournemouth a- Sunday 3rd Dec
Man City h - Wednesday 6t Dec
Arsenal h- Saturday 9th Dec
That's a massive three home ties. And I'm looking forward to the challenge despite the worry and concerns for players and Villa giving a fair account of ourselves to win the matches.
Ideally our best players selections are needed in all of them.
4 games in 10 games then the squad needs to step up.
How will it all go in those 10 days starting next Thursday?
The line ups, results, injuries, suspensions and likelihoods of players appearing consecutive matches and their availability for selection is a major talking point
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Your guess is as good as mine.
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Spurs?
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The 10 day period performance is likely to be impacted like in a chain of prior occurrence.
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Is this the pre-match thread? Where is the poll?
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Spurs?
So the four games don't include the Spurs, which are on Sunday. After which it's rest and recovery and training days—the luxury of three days of non-playing in prep for the 4 matches :
Legia Warsaw, Bournemouth, Man City , Arsenal.
Is this the pre-match thread? Where is the poll?
It's a future planning and thinking ahead thread in many ways. And then to become a here-and-now thread as Villa and Emery negotiate the 10-day period.
Hope that clears up any confusion on intentions.
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Spurs?
So the four games don't include the Spurs, which are on Sunday. After which it's rest and recovery and training days—the luxury of three days of non-playing in prep for the 4 matches :
Legia Warsaw, Bournemouth, Man City , Arsenal.
Is this the pre-match thread? Where is the poll?
It's a future planning and thinking ahead thread in many ways. And then to become a here-and-now thread as Villa and Emery negotiate the 10-day period.
Hope that clears up any confusion on intentions.
Nope!
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Well the impact for a start -physical and mental fatigue.
The Legia Game is vital European must win match.
How can such fixture congestion be justified? Following on with two of the most difficult fixtures back-to-back.
We are fortunate they are all at home.
Seems like because it's amazon and sky selections it's messed it all up.
Man City could be Thursday not Wednesday.
The Arsenal game could have definitely been rescheduled for Sunday or Monday as don't play again till Thursday 14th.
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It's the price for success.
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Well the impact for a start -physical and mental fatigue.
The Legia Game is vital European must win match.
How can such fixture congestion be justified? Following on with two of the most difficult fixtures back-to-back.
We are fortunate they are all at home.
Seems like because it's amazon and sky selections it's messed it all up.
Man City could be Thursday not Wednesday.
The Arsenal game could have definitely been rescheduled for Sunday or Monday as don't play again till Thursday 14th.
Arsenal are playing on Tuesday 12th so your whole argument is bullshit.
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And originally Man City was on Tuesday and got moved to Wednesday because of the European match meaning we had to play Bournemouth Sunday.
Personally I don't see much difference between:-
Thursday. Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday for us
Wednesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, (Tuesday) for Arse,
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(Saturday), Tuesday, Sunday, Wednesday, Sunday, (Wednesday) for City.
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Legia isn’t a must win match
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Finding this out on the same day that Tyrone Mings retires from professional football has reduced me to tears. I'm going to find a dark corner and assume the foetal position.
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What's the difference in recovery time us versus Arsenal, the midweek before? I bet they're playing on the Tuesday and not the Weds like us...
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Legia isn’t a must win match
It's a must not lose match if we want to win the group
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Legia isn’t a must win match
It's a must not lose match if we want to win the group
It is a much win match as if we finish equal on points the group is decided on head to head results not goal difference. It’s vital we avoid those extra 2 games in February and top the group.
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Emery has started 8 players in all 12 Premier League games so far.
And McGinn and Digne are the only players to have started every Prem and Europa Conference League Match.
The question is whether players who are more prone to injuries, such as Duran, Cash, Diego Carlos, Bailey, Ramsey, Dendocker, and Zaniolo, will be able to participate much in all four of the games to a greater extent without getting injured.
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Legia isn’t a must win match
It's a must not lose match if we want to win the group
It is a much win match as if we finish equal on points the group is decided on head to head results not goal difference. It’s vital we avoid those extra 2 games in February and top the group.
This.
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What's the difference in recovery time us versus Arsenal, the midweek before? I bet they're playing on the Tuesday and not the Weds like us...
On the 5th Tuesday, Arsenal travels to Luton Town.
Havertz is one booking away from suspension and three games away from facing us.
Man City must host Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur with Rodri one yellow card away from being banned. Grealish is then on three yellows.
One or both could be suspended by time they play us!
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Finding this out on the same day that Tyrone Mings retires from professional football has reduced me to tears. I'm going to find a dark corner and assume the foetal position.
It's ok Mingsy did an update!
Get this though!
Imagine how you and all of us will feel if Villa win all 3 home matches in that period.
Literally winning all 3 of Legia, Man City and Arsenal!
It's the price for success.
Of course a seaside trip to Bournemouth as well but those 3 home matches are what it's all about.
Success in those 3 be super and will be most exciting. I can't wait!
Villa Park going to rocking.
Go Villa!!
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Well the impact for a start -physical and mental fatigue.
The Legia Game is vital European must win match.
How can such fixture congestion be justified? Following on with two of the most difficult fixtures back-to-back.
We are fortunate they are all at home.
Seems like because it's amazon and sky selections it's messed it all up.
Man City could be Thursday not Wednesday.
The Arsenal game could have definitely been rescheduled for Sunday or Monday as don't play again till Thursday 14th.
Arsenal are playing on Tuesday 12th so your whole argument is bullshit.
I didn't mean Arsenal, and I wasn't aware of it. I was referring to Villa playing again, as I mentioned on the 14th in Europa. I hadn't thought of Arsenal.
And as I say it suggests the game has shifted for their favour.
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I know the game has changed a bit but I remember when we used to play 3 games in 4 days at Easter.
Some of the stuff here about fixture congestion sounds like the moans you used to hear from Wenger/Fergie and has been continued through to Klopp/Guardiola etc.
Just get the fuck on with it, we're Aston Villa and we play when we want and we score when we want.
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Emery thrives on games rather than training. This should suit football down to the ground, UTV. !!
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Well the impact for a start -physical and mental fatigue.
The Legia Game is vital European must win match.
How can such fixture congestion be justified? Following on with two of the most difficult fixtures back-to-back.
We are fortunate they are all at home.
Seems like because it's amazon and sky selections it's messed it all up.
Man City could be Thursday not Wednesday.
The Arsenal game could have definitely been rescheduled for Sunday or Monday as don't play again till Thursday 14th.
Arsenal are playing on Tuesday 12th so your whole argument is bullshit.
I didn't mean Arsenal, and I wasn't aware of it. I was referring to Villa playing again, as I mentioned on the 14th in Europa. I hadn't thought of Arsenal.
And as I say it suggests the game has shifted for their favour.
Well it has BECAUSE they play on the Tuesday following it. So why would they agree to play on a Monday.
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Well the impact for a start -physical and mental fatigue.
The Legia Game is vital European must win match.
How can such fixture congestion be justified? Following on with two of the most difficult fixtures back-to-back.
We are fortunate they are all at home.
Seems like because it's amazon and sky selections it's messed it all up.
Man City could be Thursday not Wednesday.
The Arsenal game could have definitely been rescheduled for Sunday or Monday as don't play again till Thursday 14th.
Arsenal are playing on Tuesday 12th so your whole argument is bullshit.
I didn't mean Arsenal, and I wasn't aware of it. I was referring to Villa playing again, as I mentioned on the 14th in Europa. I hadn't thought of Arsenal.
And as I say it suggests the game has shifted for their favour.
The game has not been shifted for their favour. They’re playing Tuesday night so the weekend game preceding has to be on theSaturday as the rule is you need 2 clear days between fixtures. The fixture list does not revolve around us Footy, you may have noticed there’s two teams involved.
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Reckon we'll do Legia pretty comfortably, Bournemouth will be flaky and harder than one would like but we'll just get over the line, we'll lose to Man City (and it might even be a bit of a pumping) but I think we'll beat Arsenal.
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Dear, dear, dearie me.
We've got to accept that as little old Aston Villa, 4 games in 10 days is of no consequence or interest to ANYBIDY, ANYWHERE (especially the press) compared to the intolerable burden faced by:
Arsenal 4 games in 11 days
Man Ciy 4 games in 13 days
Liverpool 4 games in 10 days
Spurs 3 games in 10 days
Man U 4 games in 11 days
Newcastle 4 games in 13 days
Brighton 4 games in 10 days
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It's the price for success.
Exactly
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It's the price for success.
Exactly
Regulars this season.
Europa Conference League Group stage -4 matches
6 players have started in every European Conference Group Game
Martinez, McGinn, Digne, Lenglet, Tielemans and Bailey.
Premier League - 13 matches
8 players have stated every League game
McGinn, Watkins, Diaby, Luiz, Kamara , Konsa, Digne, Cash.
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Shades of 1981-82?
42 games
Jimmy Rimmer
Kenny Swain
Ken McNaught
Dennis Mortimer,
Des Bremner
Gordon Cowans
Tony Morley
40 Gary Shaw
39 Allan Evans
36 Peter Withe
21 Gary Williams
19Colin Gibson
David Geddis
5 Eamonn Deacy
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Shades of 1981-82?
42 games
Jimmy Rimmer
Kenny Swain
Ken McNaught
Dennis Mortimer,
Des Bremner
Gordon Cowans
Tony Morley
40 Gary Shaw
39 Allan Evans
36 Peter Withe
21 Gary Williams
19Colin Gibson
David Geddis
5 Eamonn Deacy
Oh, I heard that just 14 players were employed in the championship season or something.
40 and 42 games wow ! that is extremely remarkable.
And the physical nature was considerably far more.
Seemed players were robust back then and just played on.
For those who were watching then and now must feel like a different sport entirely.
And then there's VAR too!
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I know the game has changed a bit but I remember when we used to play 3 games in 4 days at Easter.
Some of the stuff here about fixture congestion sounds like the moans you used to hear from Wenger/Fergie and has been continued through to Klopp/Guardiola etc.
Just get the fuck on with it, we're Aston Villa and we play when we want and we score when we want.
That sounds illegal! Of course, that was a different time. Player welfare, health, and safety would never allow that now. Playing games and attending in quick succession must have been fun for all concerned.
I heard too that there was a time when English football teams played a fixture on Christmas Day, then reversed on Boxing Day, or something.
These days totally different of course. And this season (23/24), there's a mid-season winter break after Christmas.
Villa will have a two-week break in the Prem from January 15th to January 30th.
But if still in the FA Cup 4th Round, the boys will be back playing on the weekend of January 27th 2024.
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David Geddis made 9 appearances - missed his number off my original post.
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The Christmas period 1994/95 was fairly 'busy', we played 26 and 28 December, plus 31 Dec and 2 Jan. We were lucky though, Spurs were one of four teams to play games on consecutive days, ie 26 and 27 December, which seems like madness now.
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The next 10 days are going to be mental.
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I remember in the mid to late 90s playing Newcastle at home on a Saturday morning, after having played a Uefa cup game on Thursday night. It might even have been the Inter Milan game that went to penalties? From memory we played decently against Newcastle who were a bogey team at the time, but tired badly in the second half and lost.
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Correct. I went to Inter away in ‘94 on the coach. It was a Thursday night game in Milan and we had West Ham away at 3pm on the Saturday. I remember some lads on the coach had brought their West Ham tickets with them in case we were delayed on the way back from Milan and they had to go straight to West Ham!
In the end we got back to Brum Friday night (nearly 24 hours after leaving straight after the game).
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Always remember the Villa playing on Sunday November 28th 1993 losing at Anfield in the league and then rocking up 48 hours later at Highbury in the League Cup and duly winning.
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The Villa great Vic Crowe once related that when Villa played three games in four days (70/71), the players complained of how tired and sore they were. Villa took one point from three games.
The following year, we played Wrexham, Swansea City and Bristol Rovers over four days and none of the players said anything re workloads. Villa had won all three games!
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The price of success as mentioned in this thread sees 4 games in 10 days.
There are must win games I feel in at least two of those matches
That being Spurs and an Ajax tie.
7th Ajax away
10th Spurs home
14th Ajax home
17th West Ham away
But the question is who do we start those 4 games with Ajax and then Spurs 3 days later?
Remember Moscow and O’Neill now he decided to rest all of his top midfield and attacking players, effectively abandoning any serious effort in Europe and focus purely on finishing in the top four.
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I think under Emery its a different story when the players had four games in ten days earlier this season, the squad performed wonderfully and achieved great results and one of the best ever Villa performances beating Man City anf being unbeaten , so I am optimistic that they will do the same again and remain unbeaten for this period due to the high stakes demands Emery has for matches and the squad players' understanding of what they must do.
I think Martinez may even get rested in the European first leg match as was the case in the Leg Warsaw tie.
What's coming up is going to be very exciting 10 days.
Up the Villa!
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It is a bit reminiscent of the week of Moscow and Stoke under Martin O'Neill. That was a real watershed moment which could be argued was a big turning point in the club's recent history.
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Glenn Whelan scored for them and seasons later ended up missing that penalty for us -he's had a big say in recent history of things!
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I think if we were playing in Belgium or Amsterdam instead of Moscow, the players might not have been rested as much during that infamous time. That was why I was glad we drew Ajax this time as it was one of the three closest teams we could have played.
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The price of success 5 games in 15 days
6th Brentford
11th Lille
14th Arsenal
18th Lille
21st Bournemouth
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The price of success 5 games in 15 days
6th Brentford
11th Lille
14th Arsenal
18th Lille
21st Bournemouth
Thanks for posting. A nice run of games. Two wins from the league and qualification in Europe will be good for me.
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The price of success 5 games in 15 days
6th Brentford
11th Lille
14th Arsenal
18th Lille
21st Bournemouth
Thanks for posting. A nice run of games. Two wins from the league and qualification in Europe will be good for me.
Depending on what Suprs do, I can see us fielding the same sort of team we did against Man City at Arsenal. Really target today, the European ties and then Bournemouth at home. It will then be a week's break until we play Chelsea at home. We could realistically be 8 points ahead of Spurs at that point if we win the next three home games (though they would have 2 games in hand) and they lose at Newcastle next week and against Arsenal in the game after that.