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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2023, 10:46:23 PM
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Carabao Cup 3rd Round
Villa Park, Weds 27th, 7.45pm
Games coming thick and fast
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0-2.
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3-0 to us. Olsen hat trick.
When's the draw for R4 ?
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
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There is no bomb squad any more.
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Obviously depends on the teams selected given it may not be viewed as a priority for either, but I'll go for a scrappy 2-1 win
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Every game is a priority.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Bailey
Dendonker
Tielemans
Ramsey
Zaniolo
Duran
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Olsen
Digne
Lenglet
Feeney
Chambers
The Donk
Ramsey
Tielemens
Traore
Duran
Kellyman
FTF 8)
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
So you think we should be a bit picky about which trophies we target ?
The last time we won any cup was 1996 !
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
[/quotePlay the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
So you think we should be a bit picky about which trophies we target ?
The last time we won any cup was 1996 !
Nope 2001
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We need to concentrate on the league so we can qualify for European tournaments, that we're too good for and shouldn't take seriously, so we can qualify for European tournaments so that...
Lets not pretend being good in the league and winning things in Cup competitions is mutually exclusive.
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There is no bomb squad any more.
Hause ?
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We will rotate and so will Everton. Everton will be way more concerned about staying up. Ollie to carry on scoring in a 3-1 win.
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Every game is a priority.
I didn't say it shouldn't be, I said it may not be viewed as such.
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Heavy heavy rotation required.
Olsen
Chambers
Swinkles
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Moreno
Kellyman
Ramsey
O'Reilky
Bailey
Duran
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
You have obviously posted this for effect.
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Part of me thinks put out the starting 11 from the Legia Warsaw game and give them the chance to work out the kinks, so if we have to go with that lineup again they're better acquainted with one another. (Maybe put Ramsey in to get more game time)
Another part of me thinks put out as strong a side as possible and keep the momentum from today going.
After the last round I assumed Everton wouldn't make the mistake of sending out their B team against us, but as someone pointed out it's quite possible they won't want the extra games and will be concentrating on the league, so won't be arsed about this match. So the team from Thursday should be good enough to beat them.
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
You have obviously posted this for effect.
Brighton game is total priority. Heavy rotation required. This is what a squad is for after all
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Olsen
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Dendonker
Tielemans
Kellyman
Bailey
Dhuran
Ramsey
Go strong defensively after what happened in Warsaw and then make changes if and when comfortable. As some others have said we haven’t won anything meaningful since 1996, lets not think we’re too good for this.
3-1 - Dhuran (2), Bailey.
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Play the kids , Olsen, the bomb squad and anyone else who fancies it. This cup isn't worth any risks.
You have obviously posted this for effect.
Brighton game is total priority. Heavy rotation required. This is what a squad is for after all
No, bollocks. Play the first team
Let's win the fucker.
I think it's going to be a difficult game, and I reckon they'll go pretty much full strength.
A scraped win on penalties. Olsen the unlikely saviour, keeping out our Ashley to send us through.
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It's a horrible trait of modern football(amongst hundreds of others) that it's nigh on impossible to forecast a result until you know the line-up of each team an hour before KO.
For what it's worth I believe it will be two second string sides with "savers" left on the bench (doesn't always work as last Thursday proved) and this will see us narrowly over the line.
The big question for me is why the Lower Grounds isn't open for this game???
2-1
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Don’t get the “the league is the priority “ argument. So we move up the league and get into Europe, but league is priority and we end up not taking it seriously only to move up the league into, Europe!
We should have a crack at every competition we are in and with no major silverware since 1996 we should be going all out to win or at least taking it seriously. Otherwise why even bother turning up?
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God I love Villa winning. I wake up, the world is sunnier and more fragrant. Birds sing Mozart, pigeons talk in full sentences. Clouds take on pleasing shapes - Watkins reeling away in celebration, Kamara getting his foot in, the inviting smiles of almond-eyed houris, a single rose, a lion resting content. I go to my local cafe and get a cappuccino, grinning at the barman and saying simply 'Unai Emery', and he looks impressed.
I want it every game please.
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Emery has said all players need to play so I think he will throw out a mixed bag of a team again. Not totally full strength but not a team of kids either.
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God I love Villa winning. I wake up, the world is sunnier and more fragrant. Birds sing Mozart, pigeons talk in full sentences. Clouds take on pleasing shapes - Watkins reeling away in celebration, Kamara getting his foot in, the inviting smiles of almond-eyed houris, a single rose, a lion resting content. I go to my local cafe and get a cappuccino, grinning at the barman and saying simply 'Unai Emery', and he looks impressed.
I want it every game please.
😂
Fucking hell, mate.
Lovely.
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A bit of rotation here and we can still win.
Maybe starts for JJ, Donk, Bailey & Duran
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With the prices we are charging, i expect us to be taking it very seriously.
JJ, Duran and Tielemans all to start (i expect Olsen to start too)
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Assume Diego Carlos isn't available? Could do with a big bastard at the back against Everton's giants.
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No chance Everton will play a full strength team
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No chance Everton will play a full strength team
How about pretty much full strength?
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Martinez
Cash
Carlos (if injured, Konsa)
Lenglet
Digne
McGinn
Dendonker
Tielemans
Ramsey
Bailey
Duran
Right mix for me of first-teamers and first-team contenders, with a couple of players getting starts to work back to fitness.
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Everton don't have a squad not to play a full strength team.
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I can see us winning this 2-1
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No chance Everton will play a full strength team
How about pretty much full strength?
highly unlikely , they have a massive game saturday v Luton that will be their priority
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Everton don't have a squad not to play a full strength team.
They did it last round, I'm sure.
As for us, I don't know what the answer is but I feel like Digne is going to need a rest soon, and if Moreno isn't as close to returning as we thought, he's the only choice in that position.
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Everton looked decent against Brentford. If they pick a strong side and are up for it I think they'll cause our high line problems and will be very dangerous at set pieces.
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Given Everton's realistic expectations for this season, and the fact they only won their first game this weekend, I'd be amazed if they played anything even CLOSE to a first-choice team. Their priority will obviously be the league. Imagine them losing Calvert-Lewin for another three months because he played him in a cup game they were unlikely to win anyway?
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Bringing Tielemans, Dendonker, Bailey and Ramsey in as your midfield 4 is not weakening us too dramatically. Zaniolo and Duran as 10 and 9 respectively. We do have to use the squad with this being the 3rd game in 6 days, with 3 more over the next 10 after Wednesday.
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We have to make changes for this one and will.
Emery could start strong and take a few off but I don’t think he will. There are a few who should be chomping at the bit after Warsaw and I expect a similar team to that.
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Everton don't have a squad not to play a full strength team.
They did it last round, I'm sure.
As for us, I don't know what the answer is but I feel like Digne is going to need a rest soon, and if Moreno isn't as close to returning as we thought, he's the only choice in that position.
Evertons team against Doncaster
1Pickford
2Patterson Substituted for Young at 45'minutes
22Godfrey
5Keane
19Mykolenko Substituted for Tarkowskiat 75'minutes
8Onana
61DobbinSubstituted for Gueye at 45'minutes
37Garner
16Doucouré Substituted forMaupayat 84'minutes
10Danjuma
28Ramalho Chermiti Substituted for Gomes Betuncal at 45'minutes
Substitutes
6Tarkowski
12Neves Virgínia
13Maupay
14Gomes Betuncal
18Young
27Gueye
32Branthwaite
62Onyango
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They play Luton on Saturday - they really can't afford to lose that, so I'd expect a much-changed team.
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Looks like it might be a bit blowy outside for this one.
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Dyche will be fuming if Everton haven't lost this inside 90 minutes. Incandescent.
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Dyche was quoted as saying that some of his players needed the game against Doncaster as they had missed some of pre-season. So them playing a strong team against them doesn't automatically they will do the same against us.
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Bringing Tielemans, Dendonker, Bailey and Ramsey in as your midfield 4 is not weakening us too dramatically. Zaniolo and Duran as 10 and 9 respectively. We do have to use the squad with this being the 3rd game in 6 days, with 3 more over the next 10 after Wednesday.
Agree with his, plus the Brighton game is the early kick-off so it's imperative we rest some of our key players.
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Bringing Tielemans, Dendonker, Bailey and Ramsey in as your midfield 4 is not weakening us too dramatically. Zaniolo and Duran as 10 and 9 respectively. We do have to use the squad with this being the 3rd game in 6 days, with 3 more over the next 10 after Wednesday.
Agree with his, plus the Brighton game is the early kick-off so it's imperative we rest some of our key players.
I agree. But this place will implode if we do so and lose. Against Warsaw lots of us thought it was a good team selection, until it wasn't.
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I think it will be trickier than the league game. They did a job on Brentford and will probably be more solid this time . I still fancy us to to win though.
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I will take a Villa win.
6-2. Att..17,637.
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I'd start both Tielemans and Dendonker for this one, they are both good players and I do not think it hugely weakens us.
I'd also start Bailey, he seems to like playing against Everton.
I would be reticent top fiddle with the defence much, although surely Lenglet can't be that bad twice in a row so maybe give Pau Torres a rest. Definitely no Chambers though!
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Olsen
Chambers
Lenglet
Carlos
Moreno
Ramsey
Dendonker
Tielemans
Kellyman
Bailey
Duran
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I wouldn't touch the defence or keeper.
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
Edited to not seem all Mr. Better Fan, but I do find this attitude perplexing from a Villa supporter.
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
Maaaaaate
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
Villa fan, are we?
You need to read the Forum Rules.
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
Villa fan, are we?
You need to read the Forum Rules.
Yeah I edited the post, thanks. Been around long enough to know without looking.
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Rotate and still win ideally. We should go pretty strong as this looks winnable.
Fuck the FA Cup off we don't need that as a distraction.
Villa fan, are we?
You need to read the Forum Rules.
Yeah I edited the post, thanks. Been around long enough to know without looking.
Clearly not!
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Let's learn to quote before cracking wise, shall we*.
I knew right after I pressed 'send' that it crossed a line so I changed it up and acknowledged my mistake in the edit. That's called 'knowing without looking'.
Anyway, I do find it odd to sack off the FA Cup. Haven't won it even in my dad's lifetime and it's just one of those things that I thought every Villa fan held to be important.
*Edit: congrats!
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Let's learn to quote before cracking wise, shall we*.
I knew right after I pressed 'send' that it crossed a line so I changed it up and acknowledged my mistake in the edit. That's called 'knowing without looking'.
Anyway, I do find it odd to sack off the FA Cup. Haven't won it even in my dad's lifetime and it's just one of those things that I thought every Villa fan held to be important.
*Edit: congrats!
It certainly is for me - the holy grail
Maybe its just an age thing and the fact that it has been degraded for years ever since the scum 6 won it with ease each year and all they talked about was Chumps league
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We have to win it in my life time, because like most I have not seen us win it but old enough to know that we had won it more times than any one else for a large part of our history.
Its a shame that it has now been so badly degraded.
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We have to win it in my life time, because like most I have not seen us win it but old enough to know that we had won it more times than any one else for a large part of our history.
Its a shame that it has now been so badly degraded.
I asked my 13 year old, England winning the WC or Villa winning FA Cup, he was bemused by the question and my stance that its not even a proper thought process for me. Villa and the FA Cup every single time.
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FA Cup for me every year...
It's our year :)
UTV
The Doc
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God I love Villa winning. I wake up, the world is sunnier and more fragrant. Birds sing Mozart, pigeons talk in full sentences. Clouds take on pleasing shapes - Watkins reeling away in celebration, Kamara getting his foot in, the inviting smiles of almond-eyed houris, a single rose, a lion resting content. I go to my local cafe and get a cappuccino, grinning at the barman and saying simply 'Unai Emery', and he looks impressed.
I want it every game please.
Don't do mescaline, kids. ;)
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As long as Lenglet and Chambers do not play in the same back four ever again ...
For me, the challenge is not team selection per se, more the approach to the game of the players selected.
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As long as Lenglet and Chambers do not play in the same back four ever again ...
For me, the challenge is not team selection per se, more the approach to the game of the players selected.
Think we need to move away from the thoughts of having a first choice X1 for 40+ games. If we can't rely on the likes of Chambers and Lenglet for this one we might aswell pay up their contracts. Everton's first team is dire and their cup team won't be any better. I suspect Emery was far from impressed with Duran's lack of enthusiasm coming on at Chelsea so Watkins might get the nod.
Olsen
Cash, Chambers, Torres/Carlos, Lenglet
Tielemans, Donk
Kellyman, Ramsey
Bailey, Watkins/Duran
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
Not so sure about it being a absolutely huge game. We're only a few games in.
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
Not so sure about it being a absolutely huge game. We're only a few games in.
Plus it's Brighton.
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
Not so sure about it being a absolutely huge game. We're only a few games in.
Of course, but I know what he means - I think in the context of the season, Brighton are about as close as we have to a genuine 'peer' at the moment. One point ahead of us last season, which got them Europa league spot. I imagine that come the end of the season, there won't be much between us again, but I'd really like us to be the team one point ahead this time. Games like this will help with that. It's as much about us depriving them of points, as it is us gaining three more.
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Strange comments about this game being man made for Messrs Chambers, Langlet etc. Don’t get it, we’ve won nothing since 1996 and Stevenage and Warsaw instantly spring to mind.
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
Not so sure about it being a absolutely huge game. We're only a few games in.
I see it as a huge game. They finished above us last season and sit above us again. de zebri gets all the media plaudits whilst Emery is overlooked. We need to put a big marker down. We need a Newcastle H type performance here
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this game is 100% made for your Lenglets and Chambers of this world. Olsen too and i'd play Kellyman and Duran to help with their development . I cannot see Everton busting a gut for a result here .
Our main focus HAS to be Saturday 12:30 - absolutely huge game
Not so sure about it being a absolutely huge game. We're only a few games in.
Of course, but I know what he means - I think in the context of the season, Brighton are about as close as we have to a genuine 'peer' at the moment. One point ahead of us last season, which got them Europa league spot. I imagine that come the end of the season, there won't be much between us again, but I'd really like us to be the team one point ahead this time. Games like this will help with that. It's as much about us depriving them of points, as it is us gaining three more.
You've got it
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Strange comments about this game being man made for Messrs Chambers, Langlet etc. Don’t get it, we’ve won nothing since 1996 and Stevenage and Warsaw instantly spring to mind.
We won the 3rd tier Euro thing in 2001.
So many people get this wrong
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As long as Lenglet and Chambers do not play in the same back four ever again ...
For me, the challenge is not team selection per se, more the approach to the game of the players selected.
Think we need to move away from the thoughts of having a first choice X1 for 40+ games. If we can't rely on the likes of Chambers and Lenglet for this one we might aswell pay up their contracts. Everton's first team is dire and their cup team won't be any better. I suspect Emery was far from impressed with Duran's lack of enthusiasm coming on at Chelsea so Watkins might get the nod.
Olsen
Cash, Chambers, Torres/Carlos, Lenglet
Tielemans, Donk
Kellyman, Ramsey
Bailey, Watkins/Duran
Pay them up then cus you can’t rely on them
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Brighton are one of the teams we'll presumably be competing with for position all season, so taking 3 points off them at any point should he considered important.
That said, I'm not sure what point in the season resting players becomes a necessity. We're only a few weeks in, although there's been internationals too, but does prioritising Brighton mean playing form players midweek to keep building momentum. Or does it mean taking these "extra" games to try and bring the other players into form, try new combinations, tactics etc. while keeping certain people fresh for the weekend?
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I do still think 'absolutely huge game' is a tad over the top. It won't define our season if we were to either win or lose.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Moreno
Kamara
Luiz
Diaby
Zaniolo
Ramsey
Duran
I think we should go strong to get a few players used to each other for the sake of consistency.
I think we are early enough in the season not to worry too much about tiredness.
Maybe bring on the likes of Kellyman, Young, Feeney or Wilson, late on if we are doing ok in the game...
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Hope we don't change the team too much because it never seems to work
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All day long Meanwood
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Hope we don't change the team too much because it never seems to work
it's a long season. Squad rotation is key.
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With five substitutes allowed now teams are rotated more than they’ve ever been
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Hope we don't change the team too much because it never seems to work
it's a long season. Squad rotation is key.
If we play the team your suggesting earlier in the thread and Everton do play closer to a first team, however shite that first team seems to be, we stand a chance of getting knocked out. Everton are poor but still managed to beat Brentford on Saturday and hardly anyone does that at their place.
So suggesting we play a really weakened team is either huge over confidence or disregard for this cup, i don’t understand either, but the latter especially, I was 22 when we last won something, I turn 50 in 5 months.
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Yep anyone 30 or under can’t remember Villa winning anything ever
So sacking cups off for whatever reason is just a nonsense
Plus the fact you’re trying to finish as high in the league as possible to enter into cup competitions
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I think we'll probably see Lenglet and the Donk starting, plus Tielemans. Possibly even Chambers too, but in the centre of defence this time rather than right back.
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Hope we don't change the team too much because it never seems to work
it's a long season. Squad rotation is key.
If we play the team your suggesting earlier in the thread and Everton do play closer to a first team, however shite that first team seems to be, we stand a chance of getting knocked out. Everton are poor but still managed to beat Brentford on Saturday and hardly anyone does that at their place.
So suggesting we play a really weakened team is either huge over confidence or disregard for this cup, i don’t understand either, but the latter especially, I was 22 when we last won something, I turn 50 in 5 months.
Happy 50th relax .
Everton aren't going anywhere near full strength trust me
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Olsen
Moreno* Lenglet Carlos* Cash
Tielemans Donk Kamara
Ramsey Duran Bailey
* if fit, Digne and Chambers respectively if not
Bring on McGinn for Kamara and Zaniolo for Ramsey regardless of the score and go 4 4 2. McGinn and Kamara need more playing time, both havent reached their peak yet. Zanziolo is playing well and needs to be rewarded. Ramsey should be eased back in.
If things are going badly bring on Dougie and Watkins.
If things are going well bring on Feeney and Kellyman to get some experience.
It's a different CB pair but they both need minutes. Even Chambers needs time if Carlos isn't fit.
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He won't play Moreno, from what he said at the weekend, they're giving him a couple more weeks.
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He won't play Moreno, from what he said at the weekend, they're giving him a couple more weeks.
Do we have any one but Digne that can play LB?
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We have to rotate with the amount of games we have. And it should be to our benefit generally to get more minutes into the likes of Duran, Tielemans and Dendonker. Much as I think Lenglet was a poor signing, we need to get him up to speed too.
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We have literal international footballers making up the squad these days, and these are not Internationals for third-rate nations. This is the likes of Belgium and France. If we can't rotate a few out now, because we're worried about the quality of the people who'll step in, then we'll NEVER rotate.
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I don't mind rotating a few players for this but I really wish he'd play Martinez. Does he really need a rest at this point? I suppose the argument is that Olsen needs game time but I'd rather just constantly play Martinez and hope we never need to play Olsen ever.
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Not going tomorrow, but just gone full Fred and had a quick look at ticket availability...
Witton Lane - 5,295 available
Holte End - 4,524 available
Trinity Road - 4,879 available
Total unsold - 14,698 (plus whatever Everton don't sell in North Stand)
Club have dropped a clanger here - Charge a more respectable amount and they'd have had a full house, plus additional sales on what could be scraped from the dysfunctional concourse services.
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I thought Olsen did perfectly fine the couple of games he's played this season. If the defence is solid he's fine. And of all the competitions we could potentially rest Martinez for, this is the one I'd prefer.
That said, Martinez had a couple of games off at the start of the season so he probably doesn't need the break just yet.
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I see Everton going strong here, try and build on the momentum from Saturday - hope we do too as this is a winnable competition and a day out for us at Wembley.
Do we go with the team from Warsaw and challenge Chambers / Lenglet and Thielemans to up their game to standard? Or do we bring Cash in to strengthen it? I’d go Martinez over Olsen but suspect we’ll have Olsens incompetent feet to contend with.
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I thought Olsen did perfectly fine the couple of games he's played this season. If the defence is solid he's fine. And of all the competitions we could potentially rest Martinez for, this is the one I'd prefer.
That said, Martinez had a couple of games off at the start of the season so he probably doesn't need the break just yet.
The problem is that the presence of Olsen stops the defence from being solid because they don't have confidence in him.
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Not going tomorrow, but just gone full Fred and had a quick look at ticket availability...
Witton Lane - 5,295 available
Holte End - 4,524 available
Trinity Road - 4,879 available
Total unsold - 14,698 (plus whatever Everton don't sell in North Stand)
Club have dropped a clanger here - Charge a more respectable amount and they'd have had a full house, plus additional sales on what could be scraped from the dysfunctional concourse services.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/fans/fans-charter/ticketing/
The price of tickets for cup matches will be agreed with our opponents.
I paid 30 for Hibs, 27 a game for Conference. I honestly don't believe this is our club's doing.
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I don't mind rotating a few players for this but I really wish he'd play Martinez. Does he really need a rest at this point? I suppose the argument is that Olsen needs game time but I'd rather just constantly play Martinez and hope we never need to play Olsen ever.
With Olsen as back up we can not afford to risk Martinez.
Who can play Left Back?
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I thought Olsen did perfectly fine the couple of games he's played this season. If the defence is solid he's fine. And of all the competitions we could potentially rest Martinez for, this is the one I'd prefer.
That said, Martinez had a couple of games off at the start of the season so he probably doesn't need the break just yet.
The problem is that the presence of Olsen stops the defence from being solid because they don't have confidence in him.
People keep saying that like it's a publicly acknowledged fact. Defence was shit against Legia and it had nothing to do with the keeper. The games Olsen did play the defence was solid and we conceded very little.
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I think it was true last year, but in the games he's played this year the team seemed to play much more normally with him back there.
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Not going tomorrow, but just gone full Fred and had a quick look at ticket availability...
Witton Lane - 5,295 available
Holte End - 4,524 available
Trinity Road - 4,879 available
Total unsold - 14,698 (plus whatever Everton don't sell in North Stand)
Club have dropped a clanger here - Charge a more respectable amount and they'd have had a full house, plus additional sales on what could be scraped from the dysfunctional concourse services.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/fans/fans-charter/ticketing/
The price of tickets for cup matches will be agreed with our opponents.
I paid 30 for Hibs, 27 a game for Conference. I honestly don't believe this is our club's doing.
Let me rephrase it then... the club's' have dropped a clanger. 😉
Also, don't forget that in past seasons, season ticket holders would have got this game for free. So the club have put a lot of fans noses out of joint, who were already out of pocket with the vastly inflated price hikes this summer.
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Olsen is going to play some matches and everyone needs to get over it
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Olsen is going to play some matches and everyone needs to get over it
I've been watching football a long time and I'm not sure I can get over players not being any good. Lord along knows we've seen enough of them. Of course I hope Olsen improves and becomes a good keeper for us and it looks like some people have seen indications of this. As is my nature I remain sceptical and reserve the right to question the manager on his team selections if I don't believe a player, any player, is good enough. It's pretty much what this forum is for.
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Tricky one. Our games come thick and fast and we are still a little light. This is of about 5 games this season Everton could win that actually matters as they battle Dibgles for 14th.
First goal crucial - if we get it let's cruise to a 2.0 keep ball. Not surprised if 0.0 and they win on pens
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Olsen is going to play some matches and everyone needs to get over it
I'd still rather see Robin Gibb in goal, despite his issues with 'Stayin' Alive'
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After the Legia match, I think I'm more comfortable with Olsen starting than Chambers.
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There was an incident fairly early in the Chelsea game where they broke and put in a deep cross from their right, and Cash has made up the ground at the back post, was first to the cross, and cushioned a header back to Martinez. Chambers wouldn't have been in the frame of the telly as the ball hit the net.
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Olsen is fine as long as you’re playing a team who are not very good, don’t create much chances and he doesn’t have many saves to make
Everton might fit the bill
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I'm not sure what all the panic is about . Everton are not risking many first team players when they have a massive game v Luton on Saturday
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Pretty sure this is this is the first time we've played them in the League Cup since we were cheated in the '84 semi-final.
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We have to win it in my life time, because like most I have not seen us win it but old enough to know that we had won it more times than any one else for a large part of our history.
Its a shame that it has now been so badly degraded.
I asked my 13 year old, England winning the WC or Villa winning FA Cup, he was bemused by the question and my stance that its not even a proper thought process for me. Villa and the FA Cup every single time.
Surely it's not even a question. Villa winning a competitive fixture over that.
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We have to win it in my life time, because like most I have not seen us win it but old enough to know that we had won it more times than any one else for a large part of our history.
Its a shame that it has now been so badly degraded.
I asked my 13 year old, England winning the WC or Villa winning FA Cup, he was bemused by the question and my stance that its not even a proper thought process for me. Villa and the FA Cup every single time.
Surely it's not even a question. Villa winning a competitive fixture over that.
Villa winning a free kick over that.
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Villa winning a corner over that.
edit - too slow! :)
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I'm not sure what all the panic is about . Everton are not risking many first team players when they have a massive game v Luton on Saturday
Probably because you're insistent that we've nothing to worry about.
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2nd choice side as it stands now is probably: Olsen, Chambers, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno, Bailey, Dendoncker, Tielemans, Ramsey, ??, Duran.
Will be interesting to see how many of those start tomorrow night. I guess Zaniolo could do with some more game time, so could fill the ?? position.
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After the Legia match, I think I'm more comfortable with Olsen starting than Chambers.
He looked absolutely knackered when running
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Yep anyone 30 or under can’t remember Villa winning anything ever
So sacking cups off for whatever reason is just a nonsense
Plus the fact you’re trying to finish as high in the league as possible to enter into cup competitions
We hopefully take it seriously, about time we give the young supporters something to cheer about
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I don't mind rotating a few players for this but I really wish he'd play Martinez. Does he really need a rest at this point? I suppose the argument is that Olsen needs game time but I'd rather just constantly play Martinez and hope we never need to play Olsen ever.
With Olsen as back up we can not afford to risk Martinez.
Who can play Left Back?
Lenglet I guess, or Torres, but neither should be passing the half way line. We have to give Digne a breather. Don't think Chambers will be as bad at RCB with Cash outside him.
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I'm not sure what all the panic is about . Everton are not risking many first team players when they have a massive game v Luton on Saturday
Plus Everton are garbage.
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I thought Olsen did perfectly fine the couple of games he's played this season. If the defence is solid he's fine. And of all the competitions we could potentially rest Martinez for, this is the one I'd prefer.
That said, Martinez had a couple of games off at the start of the season so he probably doesn't need the break just yet.
The problem is that the presence of Olsen stops the defence from being solid because they don't have confidence in him.
People keep saying that like it's a publicly acknowledged fact. Defence was shit against Legia and it had nothing to do with the keeper. The games Olsen did play the defence was solid and we conceded very little.
Granted Burnley were/are very poor but I thought Olsen spread panic even in that game with his daft decision making. Ran out missed a cross and Jay Rodriguez missed an open goal. Martinez didn't have a great game in Warsaw but was back to his very best at Chelsea.
I still say it, it's absolutely ridiculous for a team and club with designs on consistently playing in Europe, and the 50+ games that brings, that we have Olsen and Chambers as our backups for Martinez and Cash.
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Lenglet looked like he couldn't give a fuck against Legia, floating around and barely breaking sweat.
Fuck him, I hope we don't see him again.
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I'm not sure what all the panic is about . Everton are not risking many first team players when they have a massive game v Luton on Saturday
Plus Everton are garbage.
Panic on the streets of Bir-Ming-Ham , I wonder too myself ...
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any team we pick that includes Olsen Chambers and Lenglet is going to struggle like a one legged man in a arse kicking contest
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I'm assuming Luton rested a load tonight in preparation for the weekend. I reckon there's a good chance I won't recognise a single name in the Everton starting eleven.
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I'm assuming Luton rested a load tonight in preparation for the weekend. I reckon there's a good chance I won't recognise a single name in the Everton starting eleven.
Just the 10 changes for Luton.
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I think it was Luton's reserves because I didn't recognise any of their team tonight.
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any team we pick that includes Olsen Chambers and Lenglet is going to struggle like a one legged man in a arse kicking contest
We are going to be fine. Our 2nd string is decent and more than capable of handling Everton B team
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I think it was Luton's reserves because I didn't recognise any of their team tonight.
How do you tell the difference?
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I think it was Luton's reserves because I didn't recognise any of their team tonight.
How do you tell the difference?
There was no Marvelous Nakamba .
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Olsen is fine as long as you’re playing a team who are not very good, don’t create much chances and he doesn’t have many saves to make
Everton might fit the bill
Do you mean a team like Stevenage?
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I think it was Luton's reserves because I didn't recognise any of their team tonight.
How do you tell the difference?
There was no Marvelous Nakamba .
Ah, I see.
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Lenglet looked like he couldn't give a fuck against Legia, floating around and barely breaking sweat.
Fuck him, I hope we don't see him again.
Wow , tough crowd , he was actually ok compared to Chambers
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Lenglet looked like he couldn't give a fuck against Legia, floating around and barely breaking sweat.
Fuck him, I hope we don't see him again.
Wow , tough crowd , he was actually ok compared to Chambers
Compared to Chambers? The lowest of low bars.
He was awful. See the second goal where he just ambles aimlessly towards Digne in the box. He wasn’t the only one but he was awful.
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Lenglet looked like he couldn't give a fuck against Legia, floating around and barely breaking sweat.
Fuck him, I hope we don't see him again.
Wow , tough crowd , he was actually ok compared to Chambers
Compared to Chambers? The lowest of low bars.
He was awful. See the second goal where he just ambles aimlessly towards Digne in the box. He wasn’t the only one but he was awful.
Well he'll have a chance for redemption tomorrow. I didn't think he was in the top 5 worst players in Warsaw
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Lenglet looked like he couldn't give a fuck against Legia, floating around and barely breaking sweat.
Fuck him, I hope we don't see him again.
I don't rate him and hate filler signings like him, and previously Bednarek, but he's only played one game for us 😂. Granted he was rubbish.
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Supposedly Everton are going to be playing most of the team that won on Saturday
We will score first and lose 2-1
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Most of the worst team we've seen at Villa Park in 20 years? Sounds good.
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Chambers is in the graphic for the "match pack" on the club site. Take from that what you will.
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Chambers will almost certainly play. What one of the things about Unai is he seems to determined to improve everybody and rarely lets an absoute stinker of a game be a barrier to another chance and trying to get better.
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I think Chambers should play. It seems highly unlikely that we'll make it through the whole season, or even to January, without having to utilise the full squad at some point. It would be a far worse thing to have to call on Chambers in say December, having not played since the Legia game.
Bailey, Duran, McGinn, Pau, and Digne are also on the graphic, so if we're assuming it reflects selection we're looking at some combination of Chambers, Pau, Digne and ? across the back. Bailey, McGinn, ?, ?, ? in mid. And Duran up front.
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I reckon it'll be something like:
Konsa Chambers Torres Digne
Bailey Tielemans Luiz McGinn
Duran Kellyman
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I do wish we'd actually use Kellyman instead of just having him on the bench. It's all useful experience, I suppose, but a game like this feels ideal to give him some real gametime.
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No VAR tonight
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I don't want us to take any chances, so i think we should loose the moose.
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No VAR tonight
That's a worry as our hi line relies on VAR picking up offsides that lino's miss.
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Supposedly Everton are going to be playing most of the team that won on Saturday
Thanks fuck for that. I thought they might play some competent players.
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I do wish we'd actually use Kellyman instead of just having him on the bench. It's all useful experience, I suppose, but a game like this feels ideal to give him some real gametime.
He did play against Hibs. As for tonight, maybe he will.
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Decided on a bit of pre match r & r
(https://i.ibb.co/bJGD9fX/IMG-20230927-132811.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bJGD9fX)
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Obviously I don't want the team to put in an on the beach performance
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Although Unai says he likes to challenge for all cups, I think our team will be a it lightweight tonight.
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We all want to compete on all fronts. However we also don't want to flog the players to within an inch of their lives, so while they've all got to get used to playing more games, it's a balancing act of giving the better players rest/giving the back ups game time/staying competitive. It's a hard job, and Emery didn't really get it quite right in Poland. Be interesting to see what he does tonight.
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Although Unai says he likes to challenge for all cups, I think our team will be a it lightweight tonight.
Maybe. The one thing people are not mentioning though, is that Everton will probably also rest some players. We should be fine.
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This will be a huge game for Tielemans if he wants to push for a starting place in the league. He’s had a slow start and has to take this chance, if he plays. He’s looked unfit when he’s played and struggled against Hibs and in Poland.
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Although Unai says he likes to challenge for all cups, I think our team will be a it lightweight tonight.
His record for us in cup competitions so far would seem to indicate the opposite. I hate being knocked out of cups.
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Does anyone know if it's live on TV anywhere in the world or not?
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Everywhere, I usually choose to be in Chicago!!
Check messages :)
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We all want to compete on all fronts. However we also don't want to flog the players to within an inch of their lives, so while they've all got to get used to playing more games, it's a balancing act of giving the better players rest/giving the back ups game time/staying competitive. It's a hard job, and Emery didn't really get it quite right in Poland. Be interesting to see what he does tonight.
Agreed, the line-up tonight might answer a few questions.
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Although Unai says he likes to challenge for all cups, I think our team will be a it lightweight tonight.
Maybe. The one thing people are not mentioning though, is that Everton will probably also rest some players. We should be fine.
i've definitely mentioned it a few times and also requested people stop panicking ;D
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Although Unai says he likes to challenge for all cups, I think our team will be a it lightweight tonight.
Maybe. The one thing people are not mentioning though, is that Everton will probably also rest some players. We should be fine.
i've definitely mentioned it a few times and also requested people stop panicking ;D
Lets worry about their line up when we're a couple of goals up!
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We all want to compete on all fronts. However we also don't want to flog the players to within an inch of their lives, so while they've all got to get used to playing more games, it's a balancing act of giving the better players rest/giving the back ups game time/staying competitive. It's a hard job, and Emery didn't really get it quite right in Poland. Be interesting to see what he does tonight.
Agreed, the line-up tonight might answer a few questions.
I don't know. Personally I felt the line up against Legia suggested we were tanking Europe to concentrate on the Premier League. I thought that before kickoff, nothing to do with the result.
But obviously when the dust settled on that poor performance, and we got a result against Chelsea, and you start thinking about things rationally, I think what it boils down to is that the "right approach" is going to look different from game to game.
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The Chelsea result fully vindicated the team selection in Legia
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The Chelsea result fully vindicated the team selection in Legia
Sure, but I think more than that. Upon reflection, the first game in the group stage of a European competition is probably the right one to be as experimental as possible with your line up. We really shouldn't have lost that game, even with the line up, but at least now we, or more importantly, Emery is in a position where he can say which players need to do what work, which players just need a bit more game time, and maybe even which players are just not going to fit into the system.
We can approach tonight with the idea that player x, y, and z, who played against Legia, need some more game time tonight, or player x can't play in that position, so tonight he gets a shot at redemption in a different one. We can also go into the other group games with a better idea of what will or won't work in terms of balancing resting players and winning games.
It's obviously not the only positive of having extra games to play, but it does allow us a little more room for figuring things out in terms of squad roatation and selection.
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If anyone needs a ticket for tonight, please DM me. Holte End loer tier, row Hh Seat 111
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Nathan Dawe@NathanDawe
I have been working closely alongside the club to help improve the entertainment pre-match at VP.
Tonight we will be rolling out some new and exciting ideas 🦁
Take to your seats early if you can 🙏🏼
@AVFCOfficial 💜💙
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Why are the only things that get 'improved' ones that nobody moaned about?
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Was Preston our last sub-30k game?
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Who is... never mind. Just seen the Twitter profile pic. He is one of those people with a USB drive, two plastic saucers, and two volume sliders, isn't he?
This should be shite. novel and courageous.
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Nathan Dawe at Wembley last year
https://twitter.com/CapitalOfficial/status/1536061732581433353
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I'll be washing my hair prior to kick-off then.
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Tonight is a 'knock - out' match, start with our strongest X1 and a strong bench. As circumstances permit, rotate within the match and not before. For all we know, Everton might play their strongest X1, this cup could be Dyche's lifeline.
We had the luxury of experimenting against Legia, tonight is not the night.
Villa 2 Toffees nowt.
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What's Seán said about us in the presser - stroking our ego with that gravelly, sexy overly-vaped voice of his?
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Nathan Dawe was really good in the box park at Wembley before the 2020 league cup final, granted i had been on the razzle dazzle since 8am but hey. Also Im sure he wore his Villa top whilst on the xmas top of the pops, so that will do for me.
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I'd rather a DJ than some scally with a guitar banging out cringy versions of songs with players names inserted.
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Nathan Dawe at Wembley last year
https://twitter.com/CapitalOfficial/status/1536061732581433353
Can't he just play Counting Crows and be done with it?
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If anyone needs a ticket for tonight, please DM me. Holte End loer tier, row Hh Seat 111
It's free
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If anyone needs a ticket for tonight, please DM me. Holte End loer tier, row Hh Seat 111
It's free
By the look of how many are walking to the ground and the ease with which I’ve just parked I don’t think you’ll be able to give it away.
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If anyone needs a ticket for tonight, please DM me. Holte End loer tier, row Hh Seat 111
It's free
By the look of how many are walking to the ground and the ease with which I’ve just parked I don’t think you’ll be able to give it away.
28k ?
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Picture taken at kick off
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7C6G3OWAAAH2gQ?format=jpg&name=large)
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I'd rather a DJ than some scally with a guitar banging out cringy versions of songs with players names inserted.
Bit of crossbar challenge is my idea of great pre match entertainment. Or a zorba race.
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Crikey, no one around.
Is it match day 😏😏