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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2023, 07:41:25 PM
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Well that was shite.
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That was terrible, completely terrible.
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12 years wait for that.
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Really really piss poor. Third time this season where we’ve turned up with zero intensity or precision. Genuinely embarrassing.
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Not the end of the world. Tough European away game.
We'll be fine.
Duran good goal.
Minutes for some squad players.
On to the next one.
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Bottom of the group on goals scored. Remember when we used to laugh at the others losing games like this.
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your having a laugh m8 ,, that was utter and absolute gutless shit
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It turns out they were a bit better than Stromsgodset.
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Tonight showed some of our back up players aren't good enough.
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Unacceptably poor from start to finish. Even Martinez looked poor, it was that bad. All a bit Rapid Vienna, wasn't it?
That starting back four was absolute turd. Lenglet looked lost, Chambers was truly fucking terrible, and Digne, goal aside, showed again that he's not capable of defending.
Even when we brought the decent players on, we looked shit.
Special shout out for Tielemans who looked slow and totally out of it, he can fuck off back to the bench at the weekend.
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Some woeful first touches and distribution. No idea about how to open up a team who close us down.
Not good at any level
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Defence was awful, especially the full backs. Still have not got any consistency this season.
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So many piss poor performances. A proper 1 out of 10 from Chambers. Tielemans, Martinez, Bailey, Digne, Kamara, Lenglet - all dire. Some really bad decision making from Emery as well. All in all, a horrible night.
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Not the end of the world. Tough European away game.
We'll be fine.
Duran good goal.
Minutes for some squad players.
On to the next one.
You said that with a smirk on your face.
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Powder puff away this season. It's a problem. Goals getting conceded all over the place.
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Not much to say after that. Think we should have started a stronger side, and tried to guarantee progression out of the group as early as possible. There's still a long way to go but it's a poor start.
We better beat Cheslea at the weekend and batter Everton next week too.
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We were so lightweight, played like we were scared, they left the foot in a few times. The ref did nothing so we chickened out of almost every contact.
No leadership no passion no ambition.
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Absolute garbage - the only one who remotely comes out of that with any credit is Duran. Chambers, Konsa, McGinn and Kamara somehow reached a new level of crap in their performances. Unai gets a 3/10 too.
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Not the end of the world. Tough European away game.
We'll be fine.
Duran good goal.
Minutes for some squad players.
On to the next one.
Nah that’s the third time this season we have turned in a performance like that. This cannot keep happening.
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Well that was shite.
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In comparison with our form under Emery last season, we are struggling a bit. We're hit and miss, have been battered by teams we were completing with last season, and have just lost another game to a team we shouldn't be conceding 3 goals against.
Mings is a massive loss. I didn't realise how big tbh.
But he'll sort it out I'm sure.
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Not the end of the world. Tough European away game.
We'll be fine.
Duran good goal.
Minutes for some squad players.
On to the next one.
You said that with a smirk on your face.
Just the way I saw it mate. Five more games to go. Relax imo.
As Joe Cole just said, just a little kick up the backside.
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We don't need another kick up the backside Joe Cole, we've had enough this season already.
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Really disappointing lack of urgency 2nd half.
They waited until added time to really go for it.
Early days I know, but Tielemans has been very underwhelming so far. I had high hope for him before signing.
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I thought we were OK going forward in the first half, but the defence was awful.
Chambers isn't the required standard at this level.
When the "big guns" came on we got worse not better.
Fair play to Olney and Duran, both should start on Sunday.
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Ass.
Duran decent.
That’s about it.
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Utterly disappointing.
We looked unprepared (which for Emery is nearly unbelievable).
Incredibly poor starting 11.
Over estimating the quality of our squad or disrespecting Warsaw, I don’t know.
Our lot looked like a team playing in a cup final…shit scared with stage fright.
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We can’t keep having these games where basically the whole team drop their level by about 85%.
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We should've played our strongest starting eleven. We had a much stronger starting 11 against Hibernian. Defence was woeful.....we miss Tyrone so much. Even Diego Carlos is still injured!
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Martinez 5
Chambers 2
Lenglet 3
Konsa 4
Digne 4
Kamara 4
McGinn 5
Tielemans 4
Bailey 4
Zaniolo 5
Duran 6
Diaby 5
Watkins 4
Cash 5
Ramsey 5
Luiz 5
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Real rude awakening for the the cocky idiots who've been walking round acting like our name might as well be chiselled into the trophy ready for May. Wrong team selection from Emery who then didn't react well enough, wrong attitude from the players.
In short, undone by arrogance again.
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Fucking rubbish.
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We don't need another kick up the backside Joe Cole, we've had enough this season already.
That’s the biggest concern - that’s 3 times already. Not sure what’s going on with Bouba but he’s really struggling and it’s having a big impact.
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Wanky thread title.
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I forgot about the early kick-off, and only saw the last thirty minutes.
So that was lucky.
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Could be worse, we could be Alkmaar fans.
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Digne is an infuriating player.
I really hope that's the last we see of Chambers anywhere, I can't believe he got an entire hour. That's a mistake by Unai.
Lenglet, the sight of him pottering around running directly towards Digne rather than do something about the massive fucking space for their second was pathetic. He looked like he couldn't give a shit from start to finish.
Martinez should have saved their third. Olsenesque from him.
What is wrong with Kamara this season? He looked like he was a second behind everyone else.
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No desire, no urgency until it was too late. Poor first half, pathetic second half.
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We don't need another kick up the backside Joe Cole, we've had enough this season already.
That’s the biggest concern - that’s 3 times already. Not sure what’s going on with Bouba but he’s really struggling and it’s having a big impact.
He's been crap, McGinn's been off it, Watkins couldn't trap a medicine ball, Bailey can't play away, etc etc etc
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Real rude awakening for the the cocky idiots who've been walking round acting like our name might as well be chiselled into the trophy ready for May. Wrong team selection from Emery who then didn't react well enough, wrong attitude from the players.
In short, undone by arrogance again.
Nah, we're still winning it. It's just going to be a bit more stressful doing so.
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Shambles without the ball throughout. I haven't been keen on our shape all season and today was just another example. I've no idea what kind of shape McGinn, Zaniolo, Bailey were supposed to be in but it didn't work. Hopefully with Ramsey back we can get McGinn back into his correct position and get the team back into some kind of order. Midfield two were dreadful but not helped by the mess in front of them.
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You have to be careful when you gobb off about not getting a chance, then turn in rubbish like that.
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We don't need another kick up the backside Joe Cole, we've had enough this season already.
That’s the biggest concern - that’s 3 times already. Not sure what’s going on with Bouba but he’s really struggling and it’s having a big impact.
agree , it’s becoming a bit if a habit and play like that Sunday and we will be giving Chelsea a nice confidence boost.
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Not the end of the world. Tough European away game.
We'll be fine.
Duran good goal.
Minutes for some squad players.
On to the next one.
You said that with a smirk on your face.
Just the way I saw it mate. Five more games to go. Relax imo.
As Joe Cole just said, just a little kick up the backside.
Yes, these points I was making too. They grew in confidence as they got the leads, played with enthusiasm with a supporting home crowd and got dirty when they had to to stop us. As Alkmaar lost to Mostar I think we havent lost anything regarding going through in the group.
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Gash.
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As if things couldn't get any worse, Joe Cole has just pronounced it "laxadaisical", so now I'm going to have to hunt him down and spear him with a pitchfork.
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You have to be careful when you gobb off about not getting a chance, then turn in rubbish like that.
Don’t you just.
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Dire defending. Now locked in and I have sobered up. The fucking horror, the horror, the horror.
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I think someone should just start the Chelsea prematch thread and we'll all forget this one ever happened.
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Poor overall and proof that we can't just expect to turn up and stroll this tournament. There will be a lot better sides than Legia in later rounds, if we get there.
Put a lot of pressure on ourselves to top the group and avoid the play-off round.
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Dire defending. Now locked in and I have sobered up. The fucking horror, the horror, the horror.
you'll be in there for hours.
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The day has turned into an unpleasant evening.
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That was annoying
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Bollocks.
Swap Digne for Moreno, get Cash and Pau back in. I’d be tempted to give Kamara a break and drop McGinn back with Dougie. Diably where McGinn was Ramsey on the left.
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Better not do an O'Neil and fail against Chelsea now
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I did think Lenglet got a bit better as the game went on, but we were really poor going forward after all the changes. To blame JJ harsh, at least he got a fitness run out.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
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Can someone change the thread title?
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Absolute garbage and anyone who thinks otherwise is actively contributing to the fact we do nothing as a football club for decades on end.
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Frings players aren't up to being thrown in once a month.
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Shambles without the ball throughout. I haven't been keen on our shape all season and today was just another example. I've no idea what kind of shape McGinn, Zaniolo, Bailey were supposed to be in but it didn't work. Hopefully with Ramsey back we can get McGinn back into his correct position and get the team back into some kind of order. Midfield two were dreadful but not helped by the mess in front of them.
Agreed. Trying to shoehorn an extra attacking player has really unbalanced us. As has losing Tyrone.
FFS.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
Not a lot. Service was shite to be fair.
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I thought Ramsey looked decent when he came on.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
No I don't think so, although he was annoyed about Tielemans not pulling the side netting shot back for him.
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If we thought the first half was poor, the second seemed even worse to me.
We brought on the 'big guns' but they had little impact overall.
It's easy to say with hindsight after the game, but I would have started with a stronger line up, but who knows if we'd have been better.
The urgency and determination was lacking all night, and our defensive midfielders, full backs and Martínez were most culpable.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
Not a lot. Service was shite to be fair.
There was one touch, the ball came in to him on the edge of the box and in customary Watkins style, he 'trapped' it about 20 yards.
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Complacent and painfully slow in possession, arrogant, clearly underestimated them. They were sharp when they turned over possession and the gap between midfield and the back four was alarming.
We looked ill prepared. I fear for us away this season - 12 conceded in 5 games and one was against Hibs.
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Real rude awakening for the the cocky idiots who've been walking round acting like our name might as well be chiselled into the trophy ready for May. Wrong team selection from Emery who then didn't react well enough, wrong attitude from the players.
In short, undone by arrogance again.
Nah, we're still winning it. It's just going to be a bit more stressful doing so.
Agreed PW, and don't want our name chiseled on the trophy just yet, the sense of jeopardy will make winning it more fun.
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Frings players aren't up to being thrown in once a month.
He isn't happy
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Real rude awakening for the the cocky idiots who've been walking round acting like our name might as well be chiselled into the trophy ready for May. Wrong team selection from Emery who then didn't react well enough, wrong attitude from the players.
In short, undone by arrogance again.
Nah, we're still winning it. It's just going to be a bit more stressful doing so.
Agreed PW, and don't want our name chiseled on the trophy just yet, the sense of jeopardy will make winning it more fun.
Alkmaar lost to that Bosnian Tractor Factory FC tonight. A few wild results can be expected.
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We might have played shite but our beautiful name is Aston Villa. Shame on you!
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Their fans made a right racket, too. Never stopped singing.
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Hmm, long way of panicing, but the third unacceptable performance in 4 away games.
Without Mings, our defense looks suspect - particularly with the highline - Pau and this new guy seem a bit lightweight.
Watkins off form (I swear everytime he has a baby hes shite for 12 months). Midfield has always been lightweight - which isn't an issue when it does everything else well but Tielemans seems like a fairweather player and you have to wonder what's happened to Kamara. Think Ramsey takes that chance if up to speed.
Bailey is always hit and miss, as many non-elite forwards are - hence why I think we are light in that department.
None of this will have gone unnoticed.
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It’s a reflection on how Fcukin soft we were.
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the messy backline is going to cause us many problems this season. how big a miss is Tyrone...combine that with the lack of a proper defensive midfielder (Kamara is too soft for me) and we're in trouble
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Well that was shite. Defense and Midfield non existent
Hopefully they have the legs for Sunday
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For a manager who has a real good cup pedigree, it will be good if he can bring it to Villa.
Played 5 lost 3 in Cup competitions so far since he came.
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Apparently our recruitment team follow 40 leagues in detail, but seemingly couldn't find us a right back to replace Young. You can't prepare for losing Mings for a season but we all knew losing Ash, a leader and competent defender and not replacing him would be a mistake.
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Well, I've had a crap day at work, then fell over crossing the road and ended up cutting my one knee and elbow open, cracking the screen on my phone and almost getting run over in the process. Then this. I've had better days. :(
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Let’s hope our fans and their police behave.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
Just the once; he tried to control it and it bounced away from him. Latest I heard is he's still chasing it and last seen somewhere near the Polish/Ukraine border.
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Chambers - one of the worst performances in a villa shirt I can remember
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the messy backline is going to cause us many problems this season. how big a miss is Tyrone...combine that with the lack of a proper defensive midfielder (Kamara is too soft for me) and we're in trouble
Agree. Get Dendoncker in as def mid alongside Luiz - he even played as a CB for Belgium recently. Kamara as RB as we hasnt got a decent one IMO and he has played there before. Lenglet and Torres to improve as getting more games.
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Chambers - one of the worst performances in a villa shirt I can remember
Okore levels of shitness.
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Chambers - one of the worst performances in a villa shirt I can remember
He looked very convincing being subbed.
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Can someone change the thread title?
Definitely.
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Chambers looked like he’d never been in a single Emery training session. He was terrible.
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Apparently our recruitment team follow 40 leagues in detail, but seemingly couldn't find us a right back to replace Young. You can't prepare for losing Mings for a season but we all knew losing Ash, a leader and competent defender and not replacing him would be a mistake.
He was only a back up though and hardly key to the way we played. Cash has been mostly pretty good this season so far.
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Need to get back to the win machine line-up from last season - Mings aside obvs - with Diaby in for Bailey.
Oh, and we miss Young.
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Apparently our recruitment team follow 40 leagues in detail, but seemingly couldn't find us a right back to replace Young.
Were all those 40 leagues in Spain?
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Feels like last season Emery knew how to get the best out of the players he inherited. Now he's added a few of his own choosing and is trying to fit them in and change the style and maybe it's all a bit too much at once?
We've seen how good we can be when it works but it seems there's a chance every game that we concede first and early, and then everything goes to shit.
I trust it will all come good eventually but it needs to come soon or we're making everything an uphill battle.
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Apparently our recruitment team follow 40 leagues in detail, but seemingly couldn't find us a right back to replace Young. You can't prepare for losing Mings for a season but we all knew losing Ash, a leader and competent defender and not replacing him would be a mistake.
Mate, please read what the Everton forum are saying about Young. He was great most of last season but The signs were there late on last season - age has caught up with him.
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Legia are crap.
We should have beaten them.
I enjoyed the atmosphere from Legia. It was fantastic. I didn’t get beaten up by their fans because I cheered their goals. My post-grad year at the Birmingham School of Speech Training and Dramatic Art in 1990 helped me obviously. Mother fucking method acting!
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
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Martinez was awful with the third - should never have let that in
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
Ok
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When the starting eleven was published I was a little underwhelmed at the defensive part. And that’s pretty much how it all panned out.
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Feels like last season Emery knew how to get the best out of the players he inherited. Now he's added a few of his own choosing and is trying to fit them in and change the style and maybe it's all a bit too much at once?
We've seen how good we can be when it works but it seems there's a chance every game that we concede first and early, and then everything goes to shit.
I trust it will all come good eventually but it needs to come soon or we're making everything an uphill battle.
I think there’s an element of players not being fully aligned yet. But we cannot keep turning insipid displays like this in.
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Feels like last season Emery knew how to get the best out of the players he inherited. Now he's added a few of his own choosing and is trying to fit them in and change the style and maybe it's all a bit too much at once?
We've seen how good we can be when it works but it seems there's a chance every game that we concede first and early, and then everything goes to shit.
I trust it will all come good eventually but it needs to come soon or we're making everything an uphill battle.
The pessimistic view is that we have not looked ready since the Valencia game and you could look at it like that today and against Palace and Anfield and stJames speks for itself. Didnt show that much against poor Everton and Burnley. We look a promising team though so I think we will be good as the season comes on further.
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I think there’s an element of players not being fully aligned yet. But we cannot keep turning insipid displays like this in.
Yep, it's not like we're a bit flat, we've defended horrendously away from home and got some old fashioned shoeings. Getting a bit disappointed that Emery so far seems unable to do anything about it.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
Not a lot. Service was shite to be fair.
There was one touch, the ball came in to him on the edge of the box and in customary Watkins style, he 'trapped' it about 20 yards.
Only player whose trap is more powerful then there shot
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Apparently our recruitment team follow 40 leagues in detail, but seemingly couldn't find us a right back to replace Young. You can't prepare for losing Mings for a season but we all knew losing Ash, a leader and competent defender and not replacing him would be a mistake.
All day long
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
No I don't think so, although he was annoyed about Tielemans not pulling the side netting shot back for him.
That was terrible from Tielemans. We created a few chances late on, Diaby missed a big one and Ramsey too.
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
;D ;D ;D
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When the starting eleven was published I was a little underwhelmed at the defensive part. And that’s pretty much how it all panned out.
Yes, me too. I was surprised that we didn’t go with a stronger starting 11, especially in defence, for the first group game. We are playing catch up from now on.
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
Good one Guy
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I think there’s an element of players not being fully aligned yet. But we cannot keep turning insipid displays like this in.
Yep, it's not like we're a bit flat, we've defended horrendously away from home and got some old fashioned shoeings. Getting a bit disappointed that Emery so far seems unable to do anything about it.
100% this is the third time in 4 away games that we look like a joke
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
I agree with Paddy
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As bad as the performance was, tonight wasn't the exception. It's a pattern to how we've been playing away from home. It starts with a lack of intensity & conceding a goal in the first few minutes.
When Emery arrived we made teams earn every goal, that seems to have gone completely.
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I dont think we can blame the team selection too much - I mean its like the stevenage game - our 2nd team should be able to handle it. Otherwise there's no point having them.
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Feels like last season Emery knew how to get the best out of the players he inherited. Now he's added a few of his own choosing and is trying to fit them in and change the style and maybe it's all a bit too much at once?
We've seen how good we can be when it works but it seems there's a chance every game that we concede first and early, and then everything goes to shit.
I trust it will all come good eventually but it needs to come soon or we're making everything an uphill battle.
I think there’s an element of players not being fully aligned yet. But we cannot keep turning insipid displays like this in.
I don't want to put too much importance on Moreno and Ramsey, but I feel like now they're back its a positive step. We should get some stability with midfield and defence going forward.
I know we need to rotate and use the full squad but a performance like tonight doesn't inspire much confidence in some of the backups. Is it a case of not performing or just not being good enough? Or maybe just needing more game time? Luckily we have plenty of games coming up.
But yeah, the frequency with which we are turning in these kinds of performances this season, is a worry.
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If you're struggling without your best defender who's the glue that binds the team together, then maybe don't rotate the defence quite as much. And stop picking Kamara, although I don't know who we play next to Luiz if we drop him.
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How the chuffin hell has Tielemens not scored or at least side footed it to Watkins?! Severely underwhelmed by him so far.
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If you're struggling without your best defender who's the glue that binds the team together, then maybe don't rotate the defence quite as much. And stop picking Kamara, although I don't know who we play next to Luiz if we drop him.
But didn't you say you liked the team a lot pre-match? Personally I think they just didn't step up and will be in for extra homework tomorrow!
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I dont think we can blame the team selection too much - I mean its like the stevenage game - our 2nd team should be able to handle it. Otherwise there's no point having them.
Not too sure about that.
I think there was a degree of over-confidence in playing Chambers at right back, no matter who the opposition, but Legia are not comparable to Stevenage.
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If you're struggling without your best defender who's the glue that binds the team together, then maybe don't rotate the defence quite as much. And stop picking Kamara, although I don't know who we play next to Luiz if we drop him.
McGinn or Donk.
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Very lackadaisical. I worry about a two of Kamara and Tielemans. Way too casual and on current form, neither seems to have much urgency. Douglas wasn't good by his standards but was a complete step up from the other two when he came on.
Chambers and Lenglet were both painfully slow and positionally suspect. Maybe lack of game time but really, this is where you should be staking a claim. To be fair though, the entire backline was awful today and Martinez played like [insert any one of the most nightmarish keepers we've had in the past decade].
Duran should have been kept on. Zaniolo looked sharp to start but then couldn't get anything right. Again, too nonchalant. I think he's gonna be like Bailey. Way better at Villa Park.
Defensively away from home, we're a huge concern right now.
I dunno, maybe we can't read too much into a game like this, we were just way off pace throughout. Credit to Warsaw though, they got at us and targeted weak spots pretty well.
The most disappointing thing for me is that players outside the best 11 stepped in and really did not put a shift in. Right now Tielemans has got to do a lot to win me over because he doesn't have the credit in the bank Kamara does from last year. Youri should be completely bossing a game like that. Does he want to start more games? Earn it. For me, I'd be slipping McGinn back beside Douglas and drop the midfield two from today against Chelsea.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
The ball touched him and bounced about 9ft off
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Nearly an hour and still locked in😩
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Having taken some time to gather my thoughts - I didn't want to go off like a Bloser in a tattoo emporium - I want to say this (I wouldn't have liked to make a fool of myself!): the worst thing we ever could've done is employ a good manager with a track record of doing good things because we will ruin him just like we ruined ourselves many decades ago we don't deserve nice things we always fuck it up always we remind me of Aston Villa oh why are we always so shit when it matters why can we do everything by the book and then still always fail and why can we be the plaything of a Chinese chancer and we don't even get a sugar rush before it all goes tits up our sugar rush was Steve fucking Bruce oh what's the fucking point.
I think we'll be fine in the end. UTV.
Good one Guy
You see, this is the stolid stoicism we need in these heathen times. More power to you, previously banned poster!
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How the chuffin hell has Tielemens not scored or at least side footed it to Watkins?! Severely underwhelmed by him so far.
Agreed but Ollie would have missed anyway, what a truly terrible performance
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
The worry is the midfield and especially Kamara. He’s a great player but tonight they were walking past him. Tielemans didn’t help and the less said about the comedy defending the better. A terrible performance but the experience will help and hopefully we won’t turn up next time thinking we’ve already won the game.
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
Just the way they talk about him, I feel like he's not a 90 minute player. Hopefully that's just a matter of building him up bit by bit.
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
The worry is the midfield and especially Kamara. He’s a great player but tonight they were walking past him. Tielemans didn’t help and the less said about the comedy defending the better. A terrible performance but the experience will help and hopefully we won’t turn up next time thinking we’ve already won the game.
I’m hoping the experience will help, but this type of performance is happening with alarming frequency this season.
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It was disappointing to say the least. The midfield and defence were just shocking. I dont think too many other than Duran come out of it with too much credit.
Long way to go though. We've got games where we can make amends and hopefully we'll find out feet as it progresses. Disappointed but not too worried.
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I missed this debacle as I was at work. Anyone got a link to the lowlights?
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Hope to see an absolute showing on Sunday
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I’ve missed the match as in London with work. Was gutted I couldn’t watch it.
But sounds bad.
Were we that bad? The line up looked okayish
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I think part of the problem is our playing style is so slow. We started that way and Martinez was still wasting time when there were only 5 minutes to go. Too many changes defensively also didn’t help matters. Only Duran came out of this match with any credit. Watkins is getting worse by the match so, either sign your contract or F off. We need all the players to put their all into every match.
So many players looked like they couldn’t be arsed tonight. I just hope that Unai can get our attitude right sharpish but, sometimes, I do think that he over thinks things. The time we look at our best is when we are attacking and move the ball quickly but, we don’t do it often enough. Tonight, we were playing sideways and backwards too often and Legia were closing us down quickly so we, more often than not, were giving the ball away too often.
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It was disappointing to say the least. The midfield and defence were just shocking. I dont think too many other than Duran come out of it with too much credit.
Long way to go though. We've got games where we can make amends and hopefully we'll find out feet as it progresses. Disappointed but not too worried.
If even Clamps says it was awful, you know it was awful.
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why is everybody suprised by tonight , in the words of one of our own players ....." its only conference league " .....says it all about how arrogant our players are !! if it was from a champions league vet i could maybe understand it ffs
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
The worry is the midfield and especially Kamara. He’s a great player but tonight they were walking past him. Tielemans didn’t help and the less said about the comedy defending the better. A terrible performance but the experience will help and hopefully we won’t turn up next time thinking we’ve already won the game.
I’m hoping the experience will help, but this type of performance is happening with alarming frequency this season.
That’s the worry and if they hadn’t sat back to protect what they had tonight I reckon they’d have scored more. The defending was laughable at times tonight and Chambers especially bad but both fullbacks had no help from the midfield. Last season the whole team defended as a unit so what’s happened this season?
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I missed this debacle as I was at work. Anyone got a link to the lowlights?
Don't bother, watch something a bit more cheerful. Eastenders should be on the iPlayer.
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I’ve missed the match as in London with work. Was gutted I couldn’t watch it.
But sounds bad.
Were we that bad? The line up looked okayish
Yes we were that bad.
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I missed this debacle as I was at work. Anyone got a link to the lowlights?
Here you go...
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.istockphoto.com%2Fphotos%2Fpile-of-fresh-and-shiny-horse-dung-picture-id94071429%3Fk%3D6%26m%3D94071429%26s%3D612x612%26w%3D0%26h%3DYG9Q9ps1-8Ga03qWHTPqi4zVNJlVTu564IgqPNrMolI%3D&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=19a0ffefe609fd95d00949fd3a567311820cb960f46aca7e1c07a29396a40df6&ipo=images)
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I’m going to sound like Souness, but the pitch was terrible. Didn’t suit us at all as we are used to a moist & slick surface and the pitch in Walsall had more bobbles on than a well worn Asics shirt from the 90’s. That being said, Legia dealt with it perfectly and did what they needed to.
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
Just the way they talk about him, I feel like he's not a 90 minute player. Hopefully that's just a matter of building him up bit by bit.
Thought he did OK and looked a bit unhappy to be taken off.
It was a brainless performance all round really. Goodness knows how many times we needlessly gave the ball away tonight. That coupled with a defensive horror show made it a night to forget.
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Not blaming Legia for this, if anything it was smart, but they really milked any break in play. It was insufferably slow in the second half.
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Did Watkins actually touch the ball?
once and couldnt control it
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A lot of focus has been on the rotated players, but there were some stinking performances from supposed first team regulars today too.
Kamara has been dreadful all season and deserves to be dropped, as does Digne now Moreno is back.
The positives for me were Duran and Zaniolo who both put in reasonable performances.
I think the back four might have worked better if Konsa had started at right back where he has played well this season, and Chambers had played in the middle where he has more experience.
I don't think we can blame the team selection though, as like at Stevenage last season the players picked should have been good enough to get a better result.
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Yep little to take from that. For first time under Emery we looked a Gerrard type team v moderate opposition (who played their hearts out so fair play to Legia).
I was surprised with so many changes. Chelsea is a big game but nothing is won or lost by not winning a prem game in September. Don't really understand resting Pau who compared to the prem is very comfortable in this environment and you'd have thought Cash would've been starting given this game was in Poland.
Think UE called that wrong, Chambers was a disaster and it was too late bringing on the big hitters.
A very complacent start, at least this wasn't a knock out game and we still have five more chances to put tonight right.
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Bailey faffing about rolling on the ground with about 5 mins to go for an injury.
He obviously likes the feel of the physio’s sponge….
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Didn’t look like the players were that interested in this competition.
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Lots that could be dissected from that but I’ll settle for them playing it like it was the last game of their life and us treating it like a friendly. Plenty of time in the group to turn it around but we’ll need to do much, much better.
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Lucas Digne was truly awful . The sooner Moreno is back the better .
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Didn’t look like the players were that interested in this competition.
Maybe but I think that’s probably projecting. I think it’s more that the balance just isn’t right at the moment - see the Newcastle, Liverpool games as well.
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It was a mess wasn’t it?
I thought the starting line up would have been good enough to get a result but looking at it with hindsight (easy to do after I know) but I would have thought Cash rather than Chambers with Luiz and Dendonkar central mid and Tielemans in the Ramsey role. Kamara, Zaniola and Chambers on the bench. I think we’d have had a better balance in defence and been more competitive in midfield with better overall ball retention. We could have swapped Tielemans for Ramsey or Zaniola later on and Bailey for Diaby.
I didn’t see the point in bringing Duran off, he was the one bright spot. The team didn’t get the ball to him much but when he was involved he looked a threat.
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the managers thinking on team selection just doesnt make sense , why play watkins against hibs and the rest him in a bigger game tonight ? , why has moreno had no minutes at all in last 2 games , baffling
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why is everybody suprised by tonight , in the words of one of our own players ....." its only conference league " .....says it all about how arrogant our players are !! if it was from a champions league vet i could maybe understand it ffs
Arrogance reeked off our players tonight, even Luiz, after someone didn't run for one of his passes, had a proper Bruno Fernandes esque tantrum while Legia ran past him on the counter.
Ratings
Martinez 5 - should have saved third and lucky not to have given away a fourth
Chambers 3 - average CB playing RB, if Cash gets injured we are screwed, nowhere for their second, in hindsight we should have gone with 3 CBs
Konsa 5 - follower not a leader, we were all over place at back and as the senior player he should have put it right
Lenglet 3 - rubbish player, Pau Torres lite, physically weak and incredibly slow, awful for their second
Digne 4 - asleep for first goal, fortunate deflection for his goal, very average defender and we need Moreno back asap
Kamara 4 - awful, didn't hold position at all, poor with ball, no resistance for first goal
Tielemans 4 - no intensity to his game again with and without ball. 90 min game will hopefully bring on his match fitness as he's miles off it
Bailey 5 - few decent things but in the main the same defeated body language and easily held
Zaniolo 5 - unbelievable shot for first goal but he's lost in this system, either he plays up front or not at all. Already seems an odd fit for us
McGinn 4 - anonymous really but our shape was all over the place
Duran 7 - did well to finish goal and was an exceptional turn for what seemed like a penalty, lively 60 mins
Subs - late cavalry charge should have resulted in an equaliser. Cash made a big difference, good to see Ramsey back but Watkins was awful. Diaby and Luiz only ok.
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Didn’t look like the players were that interested in this competition.
"But most of all we have a lot of players who desperately want to do well in Europe.”
Source: Cash: 'We're desperate to do well in Europe' (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/21/cash---we-re-desperate-to-do-well-in-europe-/)
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No excuses , that was garbage.
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Fucking shambles getting out of there. Proper crush and police handy with their riot shields.
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
He was terrible. Looked entirely unarsed and like he wasn’t aware what he was meant to be doing
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
He was terrible. Looked entirely unarsed and like he wasn’t aware what he was meant to be doing
He was better after Chambers went off.
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the managers thinking on team selection just doesnt make sense , why play watkins against hibs and the rest him in a bigger game tonight ? , why has moreno had no minutes at all in last 2 games , baffling
Against Hibs, we had to win to qualify. Against Legia, in theory we have 5 more matches to recover. However I agree, should have started strong and rested players once job was pretty much done.
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the managers thinking on team selection just doesnt make sense , why play watkins against hibs and the rest him in a bigger game tonight ? , why has moreno had no minutes at all in last 2 games , baffling
I'd assume the Hibs game was deemed extremely important because a slip up left us not qualifying for the group stages. Tonight we can come back from. Or, Duran wasn't deemed ready to play as big a part when we played Hibs.
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
He was terrible. Looked entirely unarsed and like he wasn’t aware what he was meant to be doing
The back four and Martinez looked like they didn’t speak a word to each other all night. The passing around the back was painful to watch, although there was a lot of standing around in front of them. We seem to have slowed down a lot from last season or teams are working us out.
I think Mings is the last player in the whole squad Emery would have wanted to lose for a season. Like losing Gordon Cowans to that terrible leg break in a pre-season friendly, in ‘83 was it?
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the managers thinking on team selection just doesnt make sense , why play watkins against hibs and the rest him in a bigger game tonight ? , why has moreno had no minutes at all in last 2 games , baffling
I'd assume the Hibs game was deemed extremely important because a slip up left us not qualifying for the group stages. Tonight we can come back from. Or, Duran wasn't deemed ready to play as big a part when we played Hibs.
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the managers thinking on team selection just doesnt make sense , why play watkins against hibs and the rest him in a bigger game tonight ? , why has moreno had no minutes at all in last 2 games , baffling
I'd assume the Hibs game was deemed extremely important because a slip up left us not qualifying for the group stages. Tonight we can come back from. Or, Duran wasn't deemed ready to play as big a part when we played Hibs.
welll he is gunna have to play strong teams now to get back in it
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
He was terrible. Looked entirely unarsed and like he wasn’t aware what he was meant to be doing
The back four and Martinez looked like they didn’t speak a word to each other all night. The passing around the back was painful to watch, although there was a lot of standing around in front of them. We seem to have slowed down a lot from last season or teams are working us out.
I think Mings is the last player in the whole squad Emery would have wanted to lose for a season. Like losing Gordon Cowans to that terrible leg break in a pre-season friendly, in ‘83 was it?
Yep a massive loss.
He provided physicality, aggression, was quick and a leader on the pitch .
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The one plus tonight was Duran. I was surprised he was subbed but that’s 5 for him this season and he deserves a start in the league.
I can only remember 4?
Only! Still pretty good.
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Mcginn awful to the point of being anonymous last 3 games. Kamara the same.
Time for the Donk
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You have to question why Ashley Young was let go. Still way better as an alternative than Chambers. Ash is also a good leader with years of experience. Baffling decision.
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Lenglet's performance was Bednarekesque.
He was terrible. Looked entirely unarsed and like he wasn’t aware what he was meant to be doing
The back four and Martinez looked like they didn’t speak a word to each other all night. The passing around the back was painful to watch, although there was a lot of standing around in front of them. We seem to have slowed down a lot from last season or teams are working us out.
I think Mings is the last player in the whole squad Emery would have wanted to lose for a season. Like losing Gordon Cowans to that terrible leg break in a pre-season friendly, in ‘83 was it?
Yep a massive loss.
He provided physicality, aggression, was quick and a leader on the pitch .
I suspect replacing Mings will become our priority in January, such a massive setback
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Only positives for me were Zaniolo, Duran and Ramsey when he came on. The latter should have at least tested the keeper with his shot.
Every team we play in this competition are going to raise their game so we need to get our act together.
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Defence was pretty poor tonight and Kamara continues to struggle this season.
Zaniolo and Bailey were decent in the first half and Durán was very good.
Lucky with AZ losing, means still have a good chance to win the group amd progress.
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In group stage football if you're going to have a major brain fart fuck up car crash performance do it in game week 1 . We've absolutely nailed that so not all is lost .
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It wasn’t great but some massive over reactions on here. Defence / centre midfield is a worry though. But long way to go
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So just got back to the hotel.
Firstly Legia deserved it, we weren’t that bad but some of our defending was atrocious. Collectively the defence looked all at sea against quick transitions and special mention to Chambers who had a mare, Konsa who seemed to get stuck in no man’s land on numerous occasions and Digne who kept losing the ball. Tielemans and Kamara were distinctly average. The ridiculous thing was we could have won the game in the last 10 minutes if we were more clinical.
Secondly Polish Plod couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. 2 hours to get from the away end to our hotel which is a walk of 10 minutes. Fucking clowns.
Great trip and Warsaw really is a grand city.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/leg-warsaw-vs-a-villa/499079
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We lost away at Donny once. 3-0. We lost over two legs to Bradford. This is a small boil in the history of Fcuk ups of Aston Villa.
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Rubbish
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Thanks didn’t think it was that bad a comment.
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Thanks didn’t think it was that bad a comment.
You forgot Stevenage.
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Thanks didn’t think it was that bad a comment.
😂
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We lost away at Donny once. 3-0. We lost over two legs to Bradford. This is a small boil in the history of Fcuk ups of Aston Villa.
Yes, but they were in periods when we were shit, and knew we were shit, the Lambert era especially. This is supposed to be the bright new era wih billionaire owners, a world class manager and loads of top players.
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We lost away at Donny once. 3-0. We lost over two legs to Bradford. This is a small boil in the history of Fcuk ups of Aston Villa.
Yes, but they were in periods when we were shit, and knew we were shit, the Lambert era especially. This is supposed to be the bright new era wih billionaire owners, a world class manager and loads of top players.
My dad laughed when we signed Tielemans.
I can now see why.
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We lost away at Donny once. 3-0. We lost over two legs to Bradford. This is a small boil in the history of Fcuk ups of Aston Villa.
Yes, but they were in periods when we were shit, and knew we were shit, the Lambert era especially. This is supposed to be the bright new era wih billionaire owners, a world class manager and loads of top players.
Whilst I love to throw as much criticism as possible at Lambert that Donny game was on DOL's watch. Fickle.
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Sugarbag.
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We lost away at Donny once. 3-0. We lost over two legs to Bradford. This is a small boil in the history of Fcuk ups of Aston Villa.
Yes, but they were in periods when we were shit, and knew we were shit, the Lambert era especially. This is supposed to be the bright new era wih billionaire owners, a world class manager and loads of top players.
Whilst I love to throw as much criticism as possible at Lambert that Donny game was on DOL's watch. Fickle.
I know.
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The stadium looked rather fine on TV, although television is often kind to football grounds
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The TV Cameras didn't really show the away end at all .
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Hopefully a wake up call to both Uni and the team. Very odd Villa performance. We just couldn't get a real grip at any stage. Great atmosphere by the Liga fans. One of the best I've ever experienced outside of the San Diego and Naples. We walked from the old town to the ground and it was very friendly with the Polish fans. No hint of bother. Arriving at the stadium with the police was another story as were the searches. Beyond piss poor organisation after the game. Kept inside the ground for an hour and then as long a wait with only 3 buses on a loop to take 1700 Villa fans back to the old town when most of us didn't want to go there.
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
What's pissing me off most about Emery is he is starting to look like a cheque book manager . All the youth fucked off out and the likes of Lenglet and Tielemans bought in . Prove me wrong please but the young hungry vibe sat better with me
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
I'm sorry but palace did not cut us open with ease, that absolute nonsense. We didn't play well tonight, but had we been more clinical at the weekend, and emi not slipped we'd have won 5 nil. Calm your knickers like
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Deeply deflating. So many uninterested, anonymous performances. It's becoming a theme for a couple of players.
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
I'm sorry but palace did not cut us open with ease, that absolute nonsense. We didn't play well tonight, but had we been more clinical at the weekend, and emi not slipped we'd have won 5 nil. Calm your knickers like
Palace played through us quite a few times. Could of gone 2-0 up second half when Eze waltzed into our box and only a full stretch save from Emi kept us in it. Teams are opening up our defence way more often than last season and that can't be just down to Mings absence.
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Konsa was atrocious.
Commonly referred to as a Rolls Royce? Fuck me
The bloke who looked weak and unimpressive at Spurs last season looked weak and even more unimpressive last night.
I expect more from our captain, also. There's not much middle ground with him. Either superb, or rubbish. Grab the game by the scruff of the neck, shout, motivate...speak?
Bailey should only ever be used as a sub in home games.
Chambers has never been any good.
Fucking hell, Villa. Not amused at all, this morning.
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Back in hotel after a few beers. I was in with Legia fans on halfway line so couldn’t share my thoughts with Villa fans but I thought we were really poor and selection was wrong. Defence was a wankomelette and I thought we were too easily stretched and also looked weirdly uncomfortable on the ball. The team that finished should have started I reckon.
Atmosphere was very loud, and maybe some players were put off by it, but they need to man up. It was loud but orchestrated - no resemblance to what is happening on the pitch - and I don’t think it was intimidating. I don’t think any Villa player actually hd a good game
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
What's pissing me off most about Emery is he is starting to look like a cheque book manager . All the youth fucked off out and the likes of Lenglet and Tielemans bought in . Prove me wrong please but the young hungry vibe sat better with me
Genuine Lol
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It was a bit shit that wasn't it?
We were never out of it but the defence looked dodgy from the off. They were up for it, well supported and got going straight away. Instead of calming it down we just kept inviting pressure.
One thing about our football is that we're always a threat going forwards, and that can leave us stretched at the back. When the back four aren't solid we can really come unstuck and that's why Mings is so important for us; he does what nobody else does and properly leads the defence. I can see us getting ripped open more often this season unfortunately.
Anyway, 5 games left, we'll win plenty to top the group.
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Defensively away from home, we're a huge concern right now.
We are equally suspect at home defensively, we've just not had to play anyone really good yet. Palace had 2 or 3 good chances to make it 2-0 and that in a game we dominated. Mings aside, I don't know what's gone wrong but I get anxious as soon as our opponent has the ball in our half.
Kamara needs to benched. His form was patchy towards end of last season too.
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Awful, awful performance. Zero control. Their experience really showed as did our lack of experience. We barely laid a glove of them second half. They consistently targeted our left. Digne was absolutely awful. Tielemans reduced any argument he may make to start a game. Chambers was a cart horse. If anyone wondered if we did enough business in the last window, this was an absolutely emphatic answer.
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Didn’t look like the players were that interested in this competition.
"But most of all we have a lot of players who desperately want to do well in Europe.”
Source: Cash: 'We're desperate to do well in Europe' (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/21/cash---we-re-desperate-to-do-well-in-europe-/)
The body language didn’t reflect that, it maybe that they were intimidated by the crowd and aggression of Legia, we were pathetically weak and passive.
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Well, they probably all need a full pre-season, time to gel, a lot more game time, and a few games on the bench to reflect upon what they've done.
Anyway, I'm glad the thread has not descended into full Ronnie Bickering mode. We lost by a goal for our first game in Europe, and there are other games to come so we can put things right with the universe.
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On reflection in that type of game against that type of opponent there are two core things you need to do. One - defensively you have to be intense, closing space and putting them under pressure. Two - when you have the ball you have to move it with pace to stop them being able to organise and regroup.
For most of the game we did neither of those things. Add to that the fact we made some dreadful errors and it’s not a surprise we lost.
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
What's pissing me off most about Emery is he is starting to look like a cheque book manager . All the youth fucked off out and the likes of Lenglet and Tielemans bought in . Prove me wrong please but the young hungry vibe sat better with me
You’ve gone about a year or two early here.
Not much to add to whats been said. I was pretty happy with the selection before, using the squad etc, but in hindsight and all that. All the players pretty terrible so not one individuals fault, Chambers could though arguably retire on that performance.
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Oh and our soaked nappy shirts are fucking rubbish.
And why so many empty seats in the Villa end?
All in all a rubbish result, but I know we're better than we're showing. I don't like us much today, that's for sure.
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
What's pissing me off most about Emery is he is starting to look like a cheque book manager . All the youth fucked off out and the likes of Lenglet and Tielemans bought in . Prove me wrong please but the young hungry vibe sat better with me
With respect, that's an absolute load of rubbish. Pure and utter rubbish.
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Its difficult at this level to see a player have as much time and space as what they did for the first goal........... And then came the 2nd, fucking hell!
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
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The dust has settled, the rage has abated, I've got my eyesight back and, well, it was utterly utterly awful, but I suppose it was a bit of a strange night all round. Brighton lost by the same score but at home to AEK, Fiorentina couldn't get past Genk, even Liverpool struggled past a team I had literally never, ever heard of.
Yes, it was a very poor night, but we still finish top of this group if we win every other game, which is far from beyond the realms of the possible. Just beat Chelsea please you useless bastards.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Or receive a pass under pressure.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Liverpool smashed us without getting out of second gear. Palace cut us open with ease at times. The signs were there so why oh why we went with a reshuffled defence with god awful Chambers, piss weak at defending Digne and a debutant CH i just don't understand. First black mark for Unai in my opinion.
What's pissing me off most about Emery is he is starting to look like a cheque book manager . All the youth fucked off out and the likes of Lenglet and Tielemans bought in . Prove me wrong please but the young hungry vibe sat better with me
With respect, that's an absolute load of rubbish. Pure and utter rubbish.
Indeed.
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Solidarity with everyone in the 1hr 30 min Passport queue at Luton Airport this morning. Welcome to Britain. <rolls eyes>
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The GK and defense looked like they’d met on the car park a few minutes before kick off. We had a strange mixture of looking very uncomfortable on the ball and lacking patience, too many times we miscontrolled the ball after a vertical pass, lost it and got hit on the counter. All their goals were preventable with a bit more aggression to close down.
And we still should have won if we’d converted the pretty straightforward second half chances.
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Good fucking christ, if chambers ever has to play right back for us again, then he cannot be allowed to get within sight of the halfway line, never mind cross it. It was like he was running in quicksand at times yesterday.
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The defending was truly pathetic.
Digne, Lenglet and especially Chambers were all absolute bin juice.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Why on earth did he play him there then? And he then compounded the error by keeping Chambers on too long when he was the worst player on the pitch by a very long way. Emery's been making some very strange decisions this season so far, and doesn't appear to be learning from his mistakes, which is a concern.
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When I saw the defensive line up I was worried about the result. In Unai we trust though!
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
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Thought their defender was very lucky not to get a red card from that hack at Bailey.
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Definite pull on Duran in the box.
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
Pretty well the entire game by the look of it. This has got a distinct feeling of Brian Little about it, something just doesn't seem quite right, and it can't all be down to losing Mings.
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
Pretty well the entire game by the look of it. This has got a distinct feeling of Brian Little about it, something just doesn't seem quite right, and it can't all be down to losing Mings.
some of the players look quite unhappy eg. Kamara
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Solidarity with everyone in the 1hr 30 min Passport queue at Luton Airport this morning. Welcome to Britain. <rolls eyes>
Wow. After getting up for a crazy early flight too. My sympathies. Hope it's improved by the time I land at 2.00pm.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Why on earth did he play him there then? And he then compounded the error by keeping Chambers on too long when he was the worst player on the pitch by a very long way. Emery's been making some very strange decisions this season so far, and doesn't appear to be learning from his mistakes, which is a concern.
You were happy with the team before k/o
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At the time it was announced that Ashley Young was not given a contract extension, I thought then that it was a big mistake. He was so reliable last season. He's miles better than Chambers at full back. To be fair, Chambers is better at CB or midfield, plus he's had next to no playing minutes this season.
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At the time it was announced that Ashley Young was not given a contract extension, I thought then that it was a big mistake. He was so reliable last season. He's miles better than Chambers at full back. To be fair, Chambers is better at CB or midfield, plus he's had next to no playing minutes this season.
Well he's 38 was probably main reason.
The big mistake was not replacing him with someone better than Cash. I also don't rate Digne.
We now have 2 very wll paid midfielders in Tielmans and Kamara who aren't delivering.
Add in Mings and Beundia long term injuries then squad doesn't look all that strong.
Rmsey and Moreno coming back should be big pluses mind
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Why on earth did he play him there then? And he then compounded the error by keeping Chambers on too long when he was the worst player on the pitch by a very long way. Emery's been making some very strange decisions this season so far, and doesn't appear to be learning from his mistakes, which is a concern.
You were happy with the team before k/o
Personally I was happy ish with the team considering who is in the squad and who is available from that squad, but, why the fuck do we get rid of Young, or not buy a proper younger replacement so that when we rest Cash we have to play Chambers there? We then get Longlet in, why? With Mings injury I would have thought Konsa, Chambers for right, Pau for left and Carlos for either side. Spend the time and resources getting a proper right back instead.
The only thing I liked about the Tielemans deal was the price, he did well in pre season but at the moment we look like we have an asset that we can make a profit on but not really a useful player.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Why on earth did he play him there then? And he then compounded the error by keeping Chambers on too long when he was the worst player on the pitch by a very long way. Emery's been making some very strange decisions this season so far, and doesn't appear to be learning from his mistakes, which is a concern.
You were happy with the team before k/o
I don't work at Bodymoor Heath like you though so haven't seen Chambers in training.
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Not the best game we have had I still think we will get through this group.
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Not to worried about the actual result but the performance especially defensively was alarming
every time this season when we have played a team who want to push forward and attack we have conceded goals and lots of them
it’s the biggest weakness in our team at the moment compounded by the injuries
Chambers last night was woeful, Konsa looks lost without his mate, Lenglet was the invisible man and Digne was Digne
Pau Torres coming into that might make playing out from the back a little easier but he doesn’t really sure it up
Chelsea will score against us on Sunday because our defence is so weak, We’ve just got to hope we score more.
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I feel some fans have become over confident about our European fixtures, hopes and aspirations - I recall going to Antwerp and losing 4-1 - on the boat back everyone was saying how we would turn things around at VP - if my memory serves me well - we lost the home leg 1-0 :(
Likewise, the season after winning the European Cup we got well and truly beaten in our "defence" of the title - Juventus at VP (0-2 ? )
I really hope Emery gets an opportunity to "put us back on the map" - I just think we need to be realistic where we are at and that the current squad, whilst is an improvement is still undergoing a settling in process .
Like many I agree we miss Tyrone and also the experience of Ashley Young - Hope the fans don`t get on the managers back anytime soon
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Chambers has been poor most of the time since being here. He’s less of a liability in midfield but is still one. Defensively he’s not the required standard.
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Chambers has been poor most of the time since being here. He’s less of a liability in midfield but is still one. Defensively he’s not the required standard.
Started really solidly but seems to have fallen further each time he plays now.
We have two problems, and they're unfortunately Mings and Buendia shaped in each case. The defence lacks cohesion without the big man, and the press is failing without the little man.
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
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Fucking shambles getting out of there. Proper crush and police handy with their riot shields.
Yes, that was terrible. The 40 mins holdback turned into 80 and yes the coppers with shields, very aggressive and looking for a stripe on the smacked a fan chart no doubt.
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Chambers is a meat amd two veg stopper who is fine as back up, he’s never really let us down before, I dont think anyone really saw that performance coming, poor with the ball and never got close enough to the bloke he was supposed to be marking.
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
I noticed that as well. Totally unlike Unai. Maybe he’s bored with Europa stuff and wants to make his mark in PL?
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
I noticed that as well. Totally unlike Unai. Maybe he’s bored with Europa stuff and wants to make his mark in PL?
He looked really angry in a couple of closeups so I don’t think it was boredom.
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He looked pretty exasperated to me.
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He looked pretty exasperated to me.
When Catweazle asked him if he was thinking of making a change, I lip-read: "Joder lo sabe. Ya no me importa. Es como si hubiera muertos vivientes aquí."
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Likewise, the season after winning the European Cup we got well and truly beaten in our "defence" of the title - Juventus at VP (0-2 ? )
It was 2-1 and I think we had a goal disallowed. And that was the top European competition not the third tier we are in now. Possibly the greatest team to play at Villa park? The World Cup winning Italian team plus Platini and Boniek. it was a great night and we held our own.
Let's be honest this competition we are in is our 4th priority this season. From last night's evidence we don't have the squad to handle it. we have been unlucky with injuries but the signings are not inspiring confidence. what worries me is whether Archer and A Ramsay might have improved things. I hope we are not going to have a lost generation.
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That was a pretty tough atmosphere for our first game back after 13 years, with quite a changed team from the Palace game. Some fringe players did themselves no favours last night. Good to see Duran score again though. Not too concerned overall - I've no doubt we'll do Legia at home - 5 more games in the group which will all be a bit easier than that.
It strikes me that the biggest issue occuring game-to-game at the moment is that because we are now needing to rotate the lineup more (and have lost key players to injuries) we've lost some of the chemistry and partnerships that existed on our run last season, where we basically used 13/14 players in 10+ games.
I think its natural to expect some growing pains in this regard, especially in defence. E.g. Konsa has spent most of the last 3 years next to Mings and now he's having to play with a new partner every game. He's looked better for more games with Torres, but with Lenglet looked very shaky last night. I think a lot of these issues will work themselves out as we get more games under our belt.
Got to remember we're attempting a very different challenge to what we did in the league last year - challenge across 3/4 competitions with a full squad rather than focus entirely on a 15-game stretch in the PL with a core starting XI. This is the problem that most teams who aren't Man City face when they get into Europe. It will impact on our performances in the short term, but I trust Emery to bring us up to speed over the next few months. I think we're well placed to really pick up the pace on all fronts later into the season. Ramsey and Moreno getting back up to speed will definitely give us a boost.
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The defending was laughably bad. Get Alex 3 lungs back, as he changes the way we attack and the line we can play with his pace and insane work rate. Choose your pairing and back Cash. Then play the same 4 en route to Athens and top 5 respectability, with a Wembley trip in February/March.
Far too many changes across the season to date in a position which needs consistency more than any.
Lacked intensity and upping the pace around their box. I don't think the atmosphere played any part. They're certainly very loud, but it struck me as quite carnival esq more than anything. They got behind their chaps in some style, fair play.
Hopefully some lessons learned. AZ appear a bit gutless looking at their result and the manner of it. Back on track against the Bosnians at home. 15 points, win the group and into the last 32. Up the fucking Villa and up into this Culutural Tower thingy I go. Enjoy your Friday.
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He looked pretty exasperated to me.
If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.
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I think it was when the third goal went in he went full Basil Fawlty.
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He looked pretty exasperated to me.
When Catweazle asked him if he was thinking of making a change, I lip-read: "Joder lo sabe. Ya no me importa. Es como si hubiera muertos vivientes aquí."
I don't speak Spanish or lip read - but if you and the translation is correct, Emery was far far from pleased.
Being in transition and with our current injury list, perhaps he thinks this is our best chance of Europa qualification? I can't imagine him giving the hair dryer treatment but I really hope he gets his disappointment across somehow - it cannot continue all season.
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I may have been making up stuff though.
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You could tell he was well pissed off with Chambers as he had yet another calamity and Metty Cash was immediately summoned from the warming up subs.
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https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1704943465811923025
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Quick translation of the Spanish: "Fuck knows. I’m past caring. It’s like the living dead in here"
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Have I missed it but there seems to have been absolutely zero mention of our game on the Guardian since the MBM of the Liverpool match. Bastuds
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
Bono-enabler.
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On the crowd noise. Legia fans I’ve spoken to don’t understand why we in UK stop singing when the opposition score as this is when the team requires the support even more. They keep going full until the final whistle and only then will criticize the team for their performance. This is very admirable but personally I wouldn’t want to lose the opportunity to give a player a good slagging
during the game.
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What a defensive shit show.
And nothing summed up the game more for me at around 83 mins, Martinez had the ball at his feet & was slowly stood around waiting for some decent movement in front of him as we are sat 3-2 down.
He must have had the ball at his feet for around 30 seconds, or at least it felt that way, & there was very little urgency.
Its a toss up for me as to whether Chambers or Lenglet were the shittest players on the field, from both sides. I had heard that Lenglet was slow, but fuck me, he has all the pace & mobility of a 357 year old oak tree.
On the positive side, Duran scored again & Zaniolo showed some bright glimpses.
Overall, a bit of a shit show all around though...
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It's the same at PSG.* You get a wall of non-stop singing: song after song, it is relentless. However, it is completely independent of what is happening on the pitch. There is hardly any variation or reaction. I found it quite disconcerting to be honest.
*Spit! Wanky club.
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think it's just best to brush this one under the carpet and move on. Very few positives from last night , probably the biggest being i didn't waste +£600 going to this shit show
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
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That was a pretty tough atmosphere for our first game back after 13 years, with quite a changed team from the Palace game. Some fringe players did themselves no favours last night. Good to see Duran score again though. Not too concerned overall - I've no doubt we'll do Legia at home - 5 more games in the group which will all be a bit easier than that.
It strikes me that the biggest issue occuring game-to-game at the moment is that because we are now needing to rotate the lineup more (and have lost key players to injuries) we've lost some of the chemistry and partnerships that existed on our run last season, where we basically used 13/14 players in 10+ games.
I think its natural to expect some growing pains in this regard, especially in defence. E.g. Konsa has spent most of the last 3 years next to Mings and now he's having to play with a new partner every game. He's looked better for more games with Torres, but with Lenglet looked very shaky last night. I think a lot of these issues will work themselves out as we get more games under our belt.
Got to remember we're attempting a very different challenge to what we did in the league last year - challenge across 3/4 competitions with a full squad rather than focus entirely on a 15-game stretch in the PL with a core starting XI. This is the problem that most teams who aren't Man City face when they get into Europe. It will impact on our performances in the short term, but I trust Emery to bring us up to speed over the next few months. I think we're well placed to really pick up the pace on all fronts later into the season. Ramsey and Moreno getting back up to speed will definitely give us a boost.
Really good rational post…..it’ll never catch on
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The players were all. Over the place. I suspect that we can cope with some changes but not wholesale ones.
Defensively we lost Mings, then Carlos has been out too which has meant Konsa can't shift over to full back. We had, I think, only one full day of training before this match, and it certainly showed.
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
It's like a recital. Along with the constant boom of a drum, I hate it.
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The players were all. Over the place. I suspect that we can cope with some changes but not wholesale ones.
Defensively we lost Mings, then Carlos has been out too which has meant Konsa can't shift over to full back. We had, I think, only one full day of training before this match, and it certainly showed.
Does make you wonder what the thought process was. I'd have assumed if we were going for this many changes it would have been known well in advance, and the players starting would have been working together in training with that in mind, and for more than one day.
Although I'm sure the idea of high level elite sports teams is that they all do the same things and can slot in and out as and when required.
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I may have been making up stuff though.
You? Get away outta that...
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Have I missed it but there seems to have been absolutely zero mention of our game on the Guardian since the MBM of the Liverpool match. Bastuds
It wasn't even listed there as a fixture or a live game yesterday. Nothing. Zero. As far as they were concerned it never took place.
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Have I missed it but there seems to have been absolutely zero mention of our game on the Guardian since the MBM of the Liverpool match. Bastuds
It wasn't even listed there as a fixture or a live game yesterday. Nothing. Zero. As far as they were concerned it never took place.
They do that sort of thing a lot, feels like you get better coverage of Barcelona or Bayern Munich games than of English teams outside the select few, and Postecoglou is going to explode like Vesuvius if they blow any more smoke up his arse.
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Have I missed it but there seems to have been absolutely zero mention of our game on the Guardian since the MBM of the Liverpool match. Bastuds
It wasn't even listed there as a fixture or a live game yesterday. Nothing. Zero. As far as they were concerned it never took place.
Suits me, tbh.
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I disagree with whoever it was thinks this is fourth in our priorities this season. I think it is right up there based on what Emery appeared to be saying in his interview recently. The squad is simply not good enough to deal with all the conflicting priorities though. Carlos is a bad miss but it is only a hamstring so he will be back by easter hopefully. Make shift right backs never work - see O'Neill, M circa 2009. I did think this group was trickier than it looked but at least now we cannot take any game for granted. Zilnius will be a handful I reckon.
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The players were all. Over the place.
You’re really William Shatner aren’t you?
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
Ha ha!
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Careful she doesn't see that - if she could spot a Udinese forum search for views on Keinan Davis, she must be good.
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
Ha ha!
I thankfully missed last night's action as it was my turn to take my daughter to dance lessons, but I have been finding excuses to watch matches I'm not attending anywhere other than at home.
I've not told my wife it's specifically her that's made me decide this, feels like it wouldn't go down too well, but the Newcastle game was the last straw. It's hard enough watching a disaster unfurl without her chirping on relentlessly about totally unrelated and completely boring things, I sometimes think she's had her self-awareness surgically removed.
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Didn't help matters much having Robbie Savage on co-commentary
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Didn't help matters much having Robbie Savage on co-commentary
I coughed up sick in my mouth the second I heard his voice. We were doomed from that moment.
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Didn't help matters much having Robbie Savage on co-commentary
Apparently he was lovely to us. Which some would have struggled with.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
Bono-enabler.
Don't be so touchy. I took the chance of a bit of fun having seen the two billys. No malice intended brother. And my username has got nothing to do with U2. Not a fan of theirs especially Bono.
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Two things.
1 . I missed that 'silly billy' was a reference to their username.
2: 'Bono-enabler' was a very funny reply.
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Two things.
1 . I missed that 'silly billy' was a reference to their username.
2: 'Bono-enabler' was a very funny reply.
Bono-enabler went over my head but I guessed it wasn't a compliment.
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Bono-Enabler was a working title for an old African Car Reverser demo. Apparently UK Redsox has it on a C60 cassette.
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
Recruitment was a mess last summer and the injuries have exposed that. GK, RB, RM/LM ...we still have no cover, Ramsey out and we are moving McGinn over, Cash rested and we have Chambers in yesterday, Olsen comedy show when Martinez is out. McGinn out and we switch I guess Ramsey back over which is ridiculous.
Tielemans was brought in, primarily because he was free, into an area of the pitch where we had lots of options, we should have prioritised cover for McGinn/Ramsey instead. Torres brought in to replace Mings I guess but I really struggle to see how Emery ever thought he would, Zaniolo is talented but brings none of the graft and spirit Buendia did. Diaby to be fair is quality but as a unit we seem to have gone away from what was working so well. Let's just hope Moreno & Ramsey's return improves out left flank and let's McGinn go back to the right.
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Bono-Enabler was a working title for an old African Car Reverser demo. Apparently UK Redsox has it on a C60 cassette.
Cheers eamonn
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
Recruitment was a mess last summer and the injuries have exposed that. GK, RB, RM/LM ...we still have no cover, Ramsey out and we are moving McGinn over, Cash rested and we have Chambers in yesterday, Olsen comedy show when Martinez is out. McGinn out and we switch I guess Ramsey back over which is ridiculous.
Tielemans was brought in, primarily because he was free, into an area of the pitch where we had lots of options, we should have prioritised cover for McGinn/Ramsey instead. Torres brought in to replace Mings I guess but I really struggle to see how Emery ever thought he would, Zaniolo is talented but brings none of the graft and spirit Buendia did. Diaby to be fair is quality but as a unit we seem to have gone away from what was working so well. Let's just hope Moreno & Ramsey's return improves out left flank and let's McGinn go back to the right.
Yes some good points, which if correct means we will be taking a step backwards this season which is disappointing after the progress we made last season. There are certainly questions as to why the recruitment was so haphazard.
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It's my fault. I didn't wear my lucky t-shirt and pants. Saving them for Sunday. League is more important after-all.
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
Recruitment was a mess last summer and the injuries have exposed that. GK, RB, RM/LM ...we still have no cover, Ramsey out and we are moving McGinn over, Cash rested and we have Chambers in yesterday, Olsen comedy show when Martinez is out. McGinn out and we switch I guess Ramsey back over which is ridiculous.
Tielemans was brought in, primarily because he was free, into an area of the pitch where we had lots of options, we should have prioritised cover for McGinn/Ramsey instead. Torres brought in to replace Mings I guess but I really struggle to see how Emery ever thought he would, Zaniolo is talented but brings none of the graft and spirit Buendia did. Diaby to be fair is quality but as a unit we seem to have gone away from what was working so well. Let's just hope Moreno & Ramsey's return improves out left flank and let's McGinn go back to the right.
We’ve have some shite results so far, but we’ve also got 9 points out of 15 in the league, hardly catastrophic.
Its way OTT to say recruitment was a mess. Torres has had a handful of games and has made mistakes no doubt, but has in most of the games looked a class act in initiating attacks from defence.
Diaby looks a class above anything we’ve had attacking wise in years.
Tielemans, hasn’t worked out yet, but he’s a Belgian international and in terms of how well stocked we are in midfield, we cannot expect Dougie to play every game.
Zaniolo has about 2.5 games all in all, hardly time to make any judgement.
Its hardly Emerys fault that after making his key signings he loses Mings and Beundia for the season and hasnt had two of our best players in Moreno and Ramsey for the first 5 or 6 weeks.
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
All their players got down on their knees and what appeared to me like they were praying in front of feral choir boys. Bit scary that.
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
Recruitment was a mess last summer and the injuries have exposed that. GK, RB, RM/LM ...we still have no cover, Ramsey out and we are moving McGinn over, Cash rested and we have Chambers in yesterday, Olsen comedy show when Martinez is out. McGinn out and we switch I guess Ramsey back over which is ridiculous.
Tielemans was brought in, primarily because he was free, into an area of the pitch where we had lots of options, we should have prioritised cover for McGinn/Ramsey instead. Torres brought in to replace Mings I guess but I really struggle to see how Emery ever thought he would, Zaniolo is talented but brings none of the graft and spirit Buendia did. Diaby to be fair is quality but as a unit we seem to have gone away from what was working so well. Let's just hope Moreno & Ramsey's return improves out left flank and let's McGinn go back to the right.
Genuinely amazed at this post.
Zaniolo has had a couple of games and has shown plenty of physical presence and graft (the latter of which you don't get at all with Buendia).
Torres wasn't brought in to replace Mings - not sure how that can even remotely be a poor move given Mings copped a season-ending injury on day one?
The entire football world seems to think we had an amazing window.
Jesus, get a grip bb, it is a shit performance and a shit result and we haven't clicked like we did last season, but it is a handful of games and we're already suggesting recruitment was a mess?
Fucking hell.
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Well said paulie - absolutely mad conclusions to be drawn at this stage.
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I think it is surprising that a manager renowned for planning and tactical astuteness has been on the wrong end of some right tonkings so far this season. For me something isn't right.
Recruitment was a mess last summer and the injuries have exposed that. GK, RB, RM/LM ...we still have no cover, Ramsey out and we are moving McGinn over, Cash rested and we have Chambers in yesterday, Olsen comedy show when Martinez is out. McGinn out and we switch I guess Ramsey back over which is ridiculous.
Tielemans was brought in, primarily because he was free, into an area of the pitch where we had lots of options, we should have prioritised cover for McGinn/Ramsey instead. Torres brought in to replace Mings I guess but I really struggle to see how Emery ever thought he would, Zaniolo is talented but brings none of the graft and spirit Buendia did. Diaby to be fair is quality but as a unit we seem to have gone away from what was working so well. Let's just hope Moreno & Ramsey's return improves out left flank and let's McGinn go back to the right.
Genuinely amazed at this post.
Zaniolo has had a couple of games and has shown plenty of physical presence and graft (the latter of which you don't get at all with Buendia).
Torres wasn't brought in to replace Mings - not sure how that can even remotely be a poor move given Mings copped a season-ending injury on day one?
The entire football world seems to think we had an amazing window.
Jesus, get a grip bb, it is a shit performance and a shit result and we haven't clicked like we did last season, but it is a handful of games and we're already suggesting recruitment was a mess?
Fucking hell.
Zaniolo cant run, if we are meant to be pressing from the front in order to play a high line then he's a liability. He has many other attributes but it's an odd fit for our setup from last season. Emery hardly spent that money on Torres to be Mings backup, I honestly don't know what he sees in him. Playing a high defensive line with a guy who makes Maguire look quick seems crazy.
Yesterday's performance wasn't a one off. If we are honest we have been miles off it so far this season and the two decent teams we have played so far have battered us. Attitude, tactics, even fitness...the basics..we just seem off it so far.
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Doesn’t change the fact it’s very early and players need to settle. It doesn’t mean it makes it any more fun when it happens, but Emery has a massively proven track record. He knows what he’s doing and when the players bed in we’ll be fine.
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Bronte, I’m with you on this one. Have we got out of second gear in any match we’ve played so far?
I really don’t understand FFP at all. Monchi now saying we had to sell the youngsters to balance the books. I’ve read that in the last 3 seasons, our nett spend has been less than £100 million. Other clubs pay more than that on just 1 player. Weren’t we told by the hierarchy that part of the reason for all the increases we as fans have had to endure was that we were going all out to catch up with the big boys over this summer’s transfer window? That worked out well then. Our only really good signing, on the showings so far, in my opinion is Diaby. The others all seem like “fillers”. Maybe I’m being a bit harsh but can only say it as I’ve seen it so far this season
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It's never been difficult to distinguish between bronte after a defeat and a ray of sunshine!
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It's never been difficult to distinguish between bronte after a defeat and a ray of sunshine!
He tends to hold an in depth enquiry after we lose a game. He didn't say a word after the Palace win.
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I hope that Brontë is not right, but his view is not without merit until such time that it is proved wrong.
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The summer business looks a mixed bag at the moment , Tielemans has been a big disappointment so far, Torres looks like a nice centre half good on the ball but lacks pace and physicality. Zaniolo looks decent and Diaby does too.
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I appreciate BronteB's posts but he can be a hard taskmaster. He once went on a date with Margot Robbie, thought she could have scrubbed up better and generally wasn't up to much.
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The summer business looks a mixed bag at the moment , Tielemans has been a big disappointment so far, Torres looks like a nice centre half good on the ball but lacks pace and physicality. Zaniolo looks decent and Diaby does too.
Fucking hell Diaby “decent”?
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I wonder would we ever have looked at Tielemans if he wasn't on a free?
Lenglet is the only one that seems like a questionable decision to me, and really only because it seemed to happen last minute and there was little or no talk about him before it did. He didn't look great yesterday but it was his first run out in a much changed team.
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I appreciate BronteB's posts but he can be a hard taskmaster. He once went on a date with Margot Robbie, thought she could have scrubbed up better and generally wasn't up to much.
How many marks did she get out of ten?
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I think it’s too early to say the recruitment from the summer was a mess but there certainly wasn’t enough of it. Many of the gaps are the same as they were in January.
Emery is cutting a frustrating figure at the minute which is a bit concerning.
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I appreciate BronteB's posts but he can be a hard taskmaster. He once went on a date with Margot Robbie, thought she could have scrubbed up better and generally wasn't up to much.
How many marks did she get out of ten?
Brontë said he would give her 1 out of 10
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I think it’s too early to say the recruitment from the summer was a mess but there certainly wasn’t enough of it. Many of the gaps are the same as they were in January.
Emery is cutting a frustrating figure at the minute which is a bit concerning.
It would be concerning if he wasn’t cutting a frustrated figure when we let shite goals in and lose. Would it better to have Strvie G slumped back in indifference?
Emery hasn’t looked frustrated at all when we’ve sticking goals past Everton, Burnley and Palace.
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Zaniolo has a chance of becoming my favourite player which is a high honour as I’m a bit picky.
The last one was Freddie Bouma
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The summer business looks a mixed bag at the moment , Tielemans has been a big disappointment so far, Torres looks like a nice centre half good on the ball but lacks pace and physicality. Zaniolo looks decent and Diaby does too.
Fucking hell Diaby “decent”?
Harry Kane is a useful signing for Bayern.
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The summer business looks a mixed bag at the moment , Tielemans has been a big disappointment so far, Torres looks like a nice centre half good on the ball but lacks pace and physicality. Zaniolo looks decent and Diaby does too.
Fucking hell Diaby “decent”?
Eh ? He's been good , work in progress but decent imho .
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Sorry Tim, I agree with you on a lot of things but Diaby is simply above anything we have had for years on the wing.
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I was a bit concerned at how much time he spent sitting down last night.
I was on the halfway line opposite the dugouts and had exactly that thought
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Relentless support regardless of performance doesn't sit well to me, a bit too fascisty.
I noticed their chanting didn't stop, or even drop a beat, when we scored.
I spent most of the match wishing they'd STFU for a bit.
If i want a pointless, distracting, continual drone in the background while I'm watching the football, I'll let the Mrs be in the room when it's on.
All their players got down on their knees and what appeared to me like they were praying in front of feral choir boys. Bit scary that.
As I said to Aftab and a few others in the War Saw pub last night, it reminded me of Boca Juniors. Relentless support, but utterly detached from events on the pitch. If you were sat outside the stadium you would have no idea of the score. Going to the stadium with a predetermined play list is weird to me. I loved the support, but there has to be a happy medium between resigned silence and somebody putting a cassette on with 45 minutes of a rehearsed set list.
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I think it’s too early to say the recruitment from the summer was a mess but there certainly wasn’t enough of it. Many of the gaps are the same as they were in January.
Emery is cutting a frustrating figure at the minute which is a bit concerning.
It would be concerning if he wasn’t cutting a frustrated figure when we let shite goals in and lose. Would it better to have Strvie G slumped back in indifference?
Emery hasn’t looked frustrated at all when we’ve sticking goals past Everton, Burnley and Palace.
Not at all. But our away performances are concerning; we’ve been shipping goals away from home and his reactions speak for themselves. It’s not just been losing, we’ve collapsed at points. Losing Mings is not the only reason for that. Even beating Palace at home, he said it was more heart than head. Emery is most definitely about control. He’s not going to come away from Palace and go ‘all ok,’ because he won. He may well have been frustrated at what transpired.
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I cant stop singing the Matty Cash he's a right back song. I'm very popular with the good lady at 5 past 6.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
Bono-enabler.
Don't be so touchy. I took the chance of a bit of fun having seen the two billys. No malice intended brother. And my username has got nothing to do with U2. Not a fan of theirs especially Bono.
Apologies. I yield to no one in my antipathy to the pompous wee get. I accept it’s a low blow.
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I think it’s too early to say the recruitment from the summer was a mess but there certainly wasn’t enough of it. Many of the gaps are the same as they were in January.
Emery is cutting a frustrating figure at the minute which is a bit concerning.
It would be concerning if he wasn’t cutting a frustrated figure when we let shite goals in and lose. Would it better to have Strvie G slumped back in indifference?
Emery hasn’t looked frustrated at all when we’ve sticking goals past Everton, Burnley and Palace.
Not at all. But our away performances are concerning; we’ve been shipping goals away from home and his reactions speak for themselves. It’s not just been losing, we’ve collapsed at points. Losing Mings is not the only reason for that. Even beating Palace at home, he said it was more heart than head. Emery is most definitely about control. He’s not going to come away from Palace and go ‘all ok,’ because he won. He may well have been frustrated at what transpired.
Don’t disagree with much of this, the Liverpool game in particular was a concern for me as in reality they missed some really good chances and could of scored 6. Against Palace in my opinion i thought we were pretty solid defensively for the majority of the game, but take on board what you say about Emery wanting control, which was something we definitely didn’t have for much of the second half. Saying that we did have it in the first half and didn’t finish three easy chances that would of meant the second half being very different.
Your right in that Mings isn’t the only issue, as important as he is, I think Torres has been very good in most of the games we’ve played. I think its unfortunate they Carlos got injured as it would be good to see him, Torres and Konsa at the back with Moreno bombing on.
I think the other issue is both Kamar and McGinn have been off the pace a bit which means we give up some of that control and Watkins is off form, meaning apart from Everton and Burnley in the league, teams haven’t had to chase the game allowing us to cut them open on the counter.
I think at least some of those issues are resolvable, Moving McGinn to the right, Bringing Ramsey and Moreno in on the left, Watkins shinning one in.
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I appreciate BronteB's posts but he can be a hard taskmaster. He once went on a date with Margot Robbie, thought she could have scrubbed up better and generally wasn't up to much.
She sulked because he didn't take her out to Mullingar.
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I appreciate BronteB's posts but he can be a hard taskmaster. He once went on a date with Margot Robbie, thought she could have scrubbed up better and generally wasn't up to much.
How many marks did she get out of ten?
Brontë said he would give her 1 out of 10
Who wouldn't give her 1?
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I think it’s too early to say the recruitment from the summer was a mess but there certainly wasn’t enough of it. Many of the gaps are the same as they were in January.
Emery is cutting a frustrating figure at the minute which is a bit concerning.
It would be concerning if he wasn’t cutting a frustrated figure when we let shite goals in and lose. Would it better to have Strvie G slumped back in indifference?
Emery hasn’t looked frustrated at all when we’ve sticking goals past Everton, Burnley and Palace.
Not at all. But our away performances are concerning; we’ve been shipping goals away from home and his reactions speak for themselves. It’s not just been losing, we’ve collapsed at points. Losing Mings is not the only reason for that. Even beating Palace at home, he said it was more heart than head. Emery is most definitely about control. He’s not going to come away from Palace and go ‘all ok,’ because he won. He may well have been frustrated at what transpired.
Don’t disagree with much of this, the Liverpool game in particular was a concern for me as in reality they missed some really good chances and could of scored 6. Against Palace in my opinion i thought we were pretty solid defensively for the majority of the game, but take on board what you say about Emery wanting control, which was something we definitely didn’t have for much of the second half. Saying that we did have it in the first half and didn’t finish three easy chances that would of meant the second half being very different.
Your right in that Mings isn’t the only issue, as important as he is, I think Torres has been very good in most of the games we’ve played. I think its unfortunate they Carlos got injured as it would be good to see him, Torres and Konsa at the back with Moreno bombing on.
I think the other issue is both Kamar and McGinn have been off the pace a bit which means we give up some of that control and Watkins is off form, meaning apart from Everton and Burnley in the league, teams haven’t had to chase the game allowing us to cut them open on the counter.
I think at least some of those issues are resolvable, Moving McGinn to the right, Bringing Ramsey and Moreno in on the left, Watkins shinning one in.
I think that Ramsey coming back will give us better balance. We looked better when he came on in the week and Moreno coming back will hopefully give us more of an attacking threat on the left.
Whereas last season we looked like a solid unit, we just look like a group of individuals at the moment and seem to be lacking a bit of leadership.
One real positive for me over the past few weeks though is that Duran is starting to look like a viable option up front.
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Chambers is definitely not an Emery fullback. Too slow - can't bomb forward, can't chase back.
Maybe we should have brought in someone to challenge Cash then? We had all summer to..
Don't be such a pair of silly billys
Bono-enabler.
Don't be so touchy. I took the chance of a bit of fun having seen the two billys. No malice intended brother. And my username has got nothing to do with U2. Not a fan of theirs especially Bono.
Apologies. I yield to no one in my antipathy to the pompous wee get. I accept it’s a low blow.
Fair enough mate 👌