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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 21, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
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Ramsey on the bench! Huzzah.
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Wow. I was expecting way less changes from the weekend. Not sure how I feel about that lineup. We shall see if it's genius or folly.
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I like that team very much.
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That bench of ours looks pretty strong doesn't it? As does the first team, and with none of the kids.
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Strongish line-up, happy with that.
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Like that we’re making some changes.
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The other team using the other badge is becoming a running theme this season.
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Great to have Ramsey back in the squad. Very surprised McGinn is starting, has played lots of football for club and country recently.
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We'll see how this lineup does. Its nice to have Diaby and Watkins on the bench in case we get into trouble - still going for a Villa win.
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I was expecting longer names in the Polish team.
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The other team using the other badge is becoming a running theme this season.
It's because they can all recognise that it's much nicer.
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using the squad, i like it.
Keep some fresh for Sunday
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
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Carlos injured?
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
I think he has to in Europe. Not sure though.
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With something like 9/10 allowed on the bench i would of thought a few more may of filled it out?
That is a lot of change (fingers crossed thingy)
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
Yippee ki-yay, motherf*cker!
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
Especially when it's a UEFA requirement.
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Carlos injured?
Injured presumed dead. Hasn't been seen since he went off against Liverpool.
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Apologies - just counted our subs bench and there are 10 of them ;) albeit 2 x keepers
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I’d forget about Lenglet
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I like that team very much.
Feels strange to see the team looking comfortably strong enough to get a result*, yet seven players on the bench who would probably make most people's first choice eleven.
*touch wood etc.
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I haven't seen this mentioned, which was posted by Legia
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Carlos injured?
He is made of the same glass as Traore - think both need to be replaced as we cannot be so consistently men down to injury
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Love deeply how the Legia formation explainer includes the goalkeeper.
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Team selection spot on
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Lenglet, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Bailey and Chambers all have experience of playing in Europe. I know some of the bench do too, but maybe not a bad idea to use the players who've been there before.
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Lenglet, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Bailey and Chambers all have experience of playing in Europe. I know some of the bench do too, but maybe not a bad idea to use the players who've been there before.
'In Europe'.
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Lenglet, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Bailey and Chambers all have experience of playing in Europe. I know some of the bench do too, but maybe not a bad idea to use the players who've been there before.
'In Europe'.
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
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Was hoping the Donk would get a start, otherwise I'm digging all the changes.
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I haven't seen this mentioned, which was posted by Legia
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They'll be fuming on SHA.
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I assume he just wants more physicality at the back this time. They’re likely to be kickers I would’ve thought.
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Lenglet, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Bailey and Chambers all have experience of playing in Europe. I know some of the bench do too, but maybe not a bad idea to use the players who've been there before.
'In Europe'.
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Sorry mate just teasing. It's not the '70s or '90s or what have you, so I'm really not sure what relevance to selection having played outside certain national borders has over having played against, say, Manchester City.
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Lenglet, Tielemans, Zaniolo, Bailey and Chambers all have experience of playing in Europe. I know some of the bench do too, but maybe not a bad idea to use the players who've been there before.
'In Europe'.
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Sorry mate just teasing. It's not the '70s or '90s or what have you, so I'm really not sure what relevance to selection having played outside certain national borders has over having played against, say, Manchester City.
I thought it would be obvious I was referring to European competition, rather than the geographical location.
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Good to see big Jhon starting.
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I know, and that's what I meant! Why is it different? Our manager's Basque, our team has French, Italian and many other nationalities in it, and they play regularly in an incredibly multinational league, in which most of the coaches are from outside the UK. I just don't see what the difference is, particularly.
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na....
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Apart from, I think, Konsa, JJ and Marschall they've all played in European competition or full internationals. I doubt they'll be shitting themselves over a tifo and some pyro.
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
I watched the Goals show last night and was surprised by how many teams had 2 goalkeepers on the bench.
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It's a UEFA requirement to have 2 keepers on the bench so every club does it whether it's CL, Europa or Conference.
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I know, and that's what I meant! Why is it different? Our manager's Basque, our team has French, Italian and many other nationalities in it, and they play regularly in an incredibly multinational league, in which most of the coaches are from outside the UK. I just don't see what the difference is, particularly.
You're right, it's probably not going to be *that* big of a difference. It's ultimately still kicking a ball around with and against other footballers.
But Tielemans having playing in Champions League knock-out matches, Bailey in a Europa League quarter final, Zaniolo playing in a European final - they're experiences that not all of our players have and therefore it's useful to have those experiences in the team.
I don't think his point is all that controversial, particularly assuming we end up at the business end of the competition.
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Love deeply how the Legia formation explainer includes the goalkeeper.
And that they tell us what formation they're going to play.
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I know, and that's what I meant! Why is it different? Our manager's Basque, our team has French, Italian and many other nationalities in it, and they play regularly in an incredibly multinational league, in which most of the coaches are from outside the UK. I just don't see what the difference is, particularly.
European competition is different to domestic. The atmosphere is different, the intensity and/or hostility of some sets of fans is different, the pressure or expectation or just pure excitement of it for players who've never experienced it. There's also the different preparation for it, having to travel, having to play twice in a week.
I know some people don't rate the competition or think it's only 3rd tier, but it's still a different kind of experience, one some of our team have never had. So it's no harm to have several players that can come into the squad and not be overawed or distracted by it all.
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Apart from, I think, Konsa, JJ and Marschall they've all played in European competition or full internationals. I doubt they'll be shitting themselves over a tifo and some pyro.
*Technically* Konsa has.
45 minutes in the second leg against Hibs for us.
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Knockout round experience is useful, sure, especially given that in European competition you think about it differently due to the two-legged ties.
But at this stage, I really think it's of limited importance. They've all played in front of mental fans, they've played two games in a week, and yeah it's a novelty but once the whistle blows it's a game of football. I think the point would be relevant if we were against Milan, but I'm not sure it does here - not to belittle the competition, but it's just not the same level as going to the San Siro.
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Tayls in the studio
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I'm not saying the players who haven't experienced it would shit their pants, I'm just saying it's useful to be able to make changes to the starting 11 using players who have had experience in European competition.
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
Man utd had 3 on the bench last night so yknow
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2 keepers on the bench, old habits die hard.
Man utd had 3 on the bench last night so yknow
Should have tried putting them all on the pitch.
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Anyone know the words
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Tayls in the studio
Hope he knocks out Roy Keane. Someone's gotta.
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https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1704850312677544122/mediaviewer
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Best to see Tielemans start in a reasonably string line up. The changes at the back again may be a concern: I would prefer to see continuity in the defensive 4.
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Anyone know the words
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1704850312677544122
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I think part of the defensive issue is that with the injuries he needs to be able to give players like lenglet and Chambers minutes, we'll definitely need them this season so have to start putting them in at some point
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Best to see Tielemans start in a reasonably string line up. The changes at the back again may be a concern: I would prefer to see continuity in the defensive 4.
Let’s hope he ropes them in and ties a few up in knots
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Anyone know the words
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1704850312677544122
ooh i like that one
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Anyone know the words
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1704850312677544122
Is the tune supposed to be 'Spirit in the Sky'?
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I can’t get the new Matty Cash song out my head.
Anyone know the words
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1704850312677544122
Is the tune supposed to be 'Spirit in the Sky'?
sounds like it
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God. I hate listening to Joe Cole. Ian Taylor makes him look like a total idiot
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Best to see Tielemans start in a reasonably string line up. The changes at the back again may be a concern: I would prefer to see continuity in the defensive 4.
Let’s hope he ropes them in and ties a few up in knots
I don't think he's cottoned on yet.
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Yep, like that lineup and strong bench a lot. Looks very shrewd. So nice to have a manager who truly seems to know what he's doing at the level we now aspire to
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the fringe players will all be eager to impress so its a smart move
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Given the positivity around the team, I'll just throw in a quick "what's he playing at, we should be playing all our best players, we don't have a strong enough squad to make so many changes, doesn't anyone remember Moscow?!?" just in case we slump to a meek 2-0 defeat.
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Are we all sitting comfortably?
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Tayls in the studio
Hope he knocks out Roy Keane. Someone's gotta.
He’s with Joe Cole and Taylor has hardly said a word
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Hail Emery of the Villa !
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Love the no sponsor shirt.
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Bloody hell, not savage.
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Have to say that's impressive.
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Love the no sponsor shirt.
Anyone know why? Emi has his taped over
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Love the no sponsor shirt.
Anyone know why? Emi has his taped over
Must be to do with local regulations
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A win please.
UTV.
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Surprised with all the changes, but pleased the squads being used
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That bench of ours looks pretty strong doesn't it? As does the first team, and with none of the kids.
It does.
I am pleased with team at this moment in time. A few who should be given a chance, a couple with a point to prove and enough regulars to keep it knit together
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Legia score
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FFS...
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Poor goal
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F*cking hell
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Chambers shite
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Jesus fucking Mary.
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Typical Villa...
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Shit one to concede.
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Not the best start.
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Shit
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Can only get better!
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I spoke to RedSox earlier, I said we had to make sure we didn't concede early as that would fire them and the crowd up even more. So we concede early.
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Poor from Chambers and terrible from Digne, really soft goal.
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That is a horrible goal to concede. What were Chambers and Digne doing?
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We'll win
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That’s what you get messing with defence line up. Huge gaps.
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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That's better...
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Goallllllllllllllllllllllllll
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Poor from Chambers and terrible from Digne, really soft goal.
I know he had a few sparks early season but I really do not get Digne. Costs a lot for not a great deal in return
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Fank Thuck for that!
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Yess get in
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Leap like a salmon...
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Get in. Bloody tv audio is ahead of the pictures.
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Yess
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Get in big Jhon!
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What a strike that was from Zaniolo and then great following up from Duran to put the rebound in.
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Lively enough start, chuffed for big Jhon.
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Fuck me Zaniolo, great following up by Duran as he jumped too early.
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Absolute thundercunt of a shot by Zaniolo.
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Sigh. It's almost reassuring isn't it?
At least there it is, the response!
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Big Jhon what a striker
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Great hit from Zaniolo, great finish from Duran.
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Thank fuck for the quick response.
I like the look of this Duran kid
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Absolute thundercunt of a shot by Zaniolo.
yes it was!
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Duran goal
https://twitter.com/walksballs/status/1704901651000123732
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What a hit by Zaniolo and great follow up JD
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Excellent response
Anyone got wee river
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that's 4 in 146minutes for the season now, Duran might well have the best goals per minute of anyone in England right now.
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Given he's only 19, I'd probably have taken four goals for the season for Duran if offered. To be on that by mid-September, outstanding stuff.
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They are getting waaaay too much space... Thank goodness they messed that up...
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Please, please Villa, stop fucking around at the back!!
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Chambers is terrifying me!
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WTF? 1-1 already?
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Great rebound follow-up from Duran, but that shot from Zaniolo had some pace on it! Oof.
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Given he's only 19, I'd probably have taken four goals for the season for Duran if offered. To be on that by mid-September, outstanding stuff.
Agree - easy to overlook his age and how far from home he is
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Anybody else got PWS on commentary?
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Started well and then conceded out of the blue. Great turn and strike from distance by Zaniolo and follow up from Duran to equalise. Chambers looking uncomfortable at RB.
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Great hit from Zaniolo, great finish from Duran.
Yes, what a strike that was and the keeper managed to tip it on to the bar. Duran timed his jump perfectly, doubt Ollie would have finished it.
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Given he's only 19, I'd probably have taken four goals for the season for Duran if offered. To be on that by mid-September, outstanding stuff.
And the fact he has replaced a Villa legend in Archer. Big boots to fill
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Great rebound follow-up from Duran, but that shot from Zaniolo had some pace on it! Oof.
I'm really happy Duran scored but I'd have preferred it if it had gone straight in, we'd have had 2 goal of the season contenders in a week.
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Duran rhose through the air like a salmon, a big Colombian salmon.
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Chambers can't get the hang of passing to our players rather than theirs.
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Maybe the coaches knew Duran would be good enough to be our striker.
Hope Ollie doesn't get back in. Nothing personal but he's not good enough. Maybe Duran will be.
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Love the no sponsor shirt.
Agreed, can't believe how well the shirt looks with just the sponsor' logo removed.
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Liverpool losing to LASK. Whatever LASK is.
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Fucking hell. I travel 1600 miles only to have to listen to Robbie Savage talking shit about is.
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Chambers can't get the hang of passing to our players rather than theirs.
he looks he's enjoyed his trip to Poland a little too much. As poor a 15minutes as I've seen from any of our players for a while.
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Love the no sponsor shirt.
Agreed, can't believe how well the shirt looks with just the sponsor' logo removed.
It fully reveals the absolute buckets of sweat rolling off the players, too.
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Chambers pot
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Chambers is terrifying me!
Same. Big mistake letting Young go, he would have been perfect for tonight.
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Kun booked for Legia.
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Jeeez... Right let's put that Kun under a bit of pressure...
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What a Kun
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Kun the dirty...
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Liverpool losing to LASK. Whatever LASK is.
Boo, don't want them dropping down to the Conference League. They can have a heartbreaking loss in the last minute of the semi-final instead.
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If Bailey rolled around a bit more that’s a red
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called Kun and tackled a bit like Mee, seems fitting.
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That 'competition winner' comment is aging like milk.
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Should have been a red
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Everything is going through Zaniolo right now, they can't handle him at all.
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Jeez what's the temperature in Warsaw right now?...
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Zaniolo is a brut of a bloke. He’s fucking huge
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Robbie Savage:
"For Aston Villa to be back in Europe is fantastic. It's a fantastic football club, a huge football club."
8)
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Everything is going through Zaniolo right now, they can't handle him at all.
These games should be made for him Tielemans and Bailey - all experienced in Europe and a notch or 2 above the opposition in terms of individual quality
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Jeez what's the temperature in Warsaw right now?...
The shirts look ridiculous don't they.
Bet they get runner's nipples from them. Or they would if they didn't wear those little sports bras.
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FFS, 2-1 Legia.
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Defence MIA
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ABSOLUTE FUCKING HELL...
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Our defending is comically shit!
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FFS!
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Jesus Christ almighty
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Full backs getting mugged ...
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Shte
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Commentary is ahead of the stream ffs.
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getting done down the flanks
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WTF?
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Diabolical full backs
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That's offside in my expert opinion.
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Commentary is ahead of the stream ffs.
Same here.
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Could see that coming about 5 sec before it did... He was in his own whatever the Polish equivalent of postcode is there...
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Chambers is having a mare.
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Fuck me, Chambers is shit.
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Looked offside
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The fuck is going on here?
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Offside surely
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Piss poor from Chambers again, unbelievably poor from him. I normally findthe 2 or 3 out of 10s that people give a bit silly but that would be fair for Chambers so far here.
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No VAR in this?
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Oh Tyrone, Tyrone. How we miss you! :'(
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This audio about 3 seconds before the picture is doing my head in!
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Chambers and Digne need subbing. Now.
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Chambers looks pissed, we need some heads on the pitch
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Fucking hell, wtf are we doing
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There’s bad defending then there’s that from Chambers. What is wrong with them at the back?
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We'll win.
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Chambers and Digne need subbing. Now.
Konsa too. Miles off it
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Put some fucking defenders on, they look like they're going to score every time they come forward
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Think we’ll see Matty Cash in the 2nd half. Surely.
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Stop giving the fucking ball away!!!11
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Chambers and Digne need subbing. Now.
Konsa too. Miles off it
Not sure Pau is a step up on Konsa
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2nd Legia goal
https://twitter.com/Jodajoseph1/status/1704907288962617559
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Trust in Unai he’ll sort it
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Tielemans and Kamara have been poor so far. Slow and complacent.
Very disappointing to this point.
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Think we’ll see Matty Cash in the 2nd half. Surely.
And I don't think we'll ever see Chambers again.
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Well I can see why it seems like Unai wants to sell Chambers for a 2nd time.
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Tielemans and Kamara have been poor so far. Slow and complacent.
Very disappointing to this point.
Absolutely awful as a pairing
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We look too casual
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Think we’ll see Matty Cash in the 2nd half. Surely.
And I don't think we'll ever see Chambers again.
Feel bad for players who come into a game cold having been outcast for yonks and then drop a clanger (or two). He'll only ever be back-up, so I'm ok with him starting the odd cup game.
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Hope Legia tire soon
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We've created nothing and looked terrible at the back. This was a chance for squad players and they are all failing miserably
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Think we’ll see Matty Cash in the 2nd half. Surely.
And I don't think we'll ever see Chambers again.
Feel bad for players who come into a game cold having been outcast for yonks and then drop a clanger (or two). He'll only ever be back-up, so I'm ok with him starting the odd cup game.
I'm not.
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Think we’ll see Matty Cash in the 2nd half. Surely.
And I don't think we'll ever see Chambers again.
Feel bad for players who come into a game cold having been outcast for yonks and then drop a clanger (or two). He'll only ever be back-up, so I'm ok with him starting the odd cup game.
But he's not backup tonight is he. At fault for both goals.
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The defending for their 2nd goal was as bad as you'll see in European football. The signs were there against Palace . It's now become our number one priority. I trust Emery to sort it out asap
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Offside surely
Think Digne's outstretched foot played him on.
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Emi saves.
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Digne, Tielemans, chambers and the new bloke are all so poor
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did var allow that offside goal?
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AZ 2-0 up.
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What's wrong with Kamara
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Digne
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Chambers can't possibly come out second half.
Lenglet also has been dog shit, as has Digne.
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GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!
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get innn!
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Chambers can't possibly come out second half.
Lenglet also has been dog shit, as has Digne.
Aside from that defence is good
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We don't seem to have any sense of danger at the back. Just letting people run off us unchallenged.
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Great hit Digne
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Ha ha Digne, as I said, dog shit.
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What a strike
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Get in
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It's a cracker
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Chambers and Digne need subbing. Now.
Maybe not. :)
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Could have been 3-2 up
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DEFLECTTTTIOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Deflected. Still counts. Now wake up you shits
Bailey should have scored.
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2-2. Jeez, what a mad game. Like a kickabout in the school playground. Ridiculous.
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Chambers and Digne need subbing. Now.
Maybe not. :)
Doesn’t take away the fact he’s been dog shit defending
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Lucky deflection, that was not going in
Will take it...
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Digne goal
https://twitter.com/tekkersfoot/status/1704909894610989190
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Chambers of horrors so far…..
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Goal aside, Digne has been fucking shit
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Needed to get the next goal. Didn't fancy going in at the break 3-1 down.
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Goal aside, Digne has been fucking shit
Utter turd. Get him off
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Wouldn't we do better if we actually did some of that defending stuff?
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There’s a huge gap between our midfield and back 4 and they are just walking through us.
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Have to say their fans are amazing
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Chambers looks slower than a slow thing.
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Since.Moreno has come back into the squad Digne has gone off the boil
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Is that Robert Pires masquerading as Chambers?
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Chambers looks slower than a slow thing.
A sloth
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Wasn’t there a pull on Duran there ?
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I'll be amazed if there's not a few more goals.
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I’m starting to think we should have listened to offers for Kamara. Just no consistency at all.
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Have to say their fans are amazing
Was just thinking the same.
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We don't seem to to 1-0 anymore, wins or losses.
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We look so much better taking the game to them rather that sitting back
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unlucky Duran surely had his shirt pulled
If we can get another and quietn their fans down a bit that would be the way forward they're making a right racket
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Goal aside, Digne has been fucking shit
what's the impact of playing alongside Lenglet, do you think?
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The audio being so far ahead of the pictures is so bad, it's like a double-scorchiooo thing.
It's about 2 seconds for me, too much to adjust even using my dodgy streaming box perfectly legal viewing set up audio settings.
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I wish R Savage would stop being so complimentary towards us, it's really quite disconcerting.
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It's only 21° in Warsaw. Was does everyone look like they're in a steam bath?
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Well that was a boring half.
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The audio being so far ahead of the pictures is so bad, it's like a double-scorchiooo thing.
It's about 2 seconds for me, too much to adjust even using my dodgy streaming box perfectly legal viewing set up audio settings.
It's the same on the legal channel!!
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A few players have been a bit flat but it's only Chambers who's had an absolute horror show.
For the Duran turn and shot I reckon he should've gone down, there was a blatant pull on his arm.
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Goal aside, Digne has been fucking shit
what's the impact of playing alongside Lenglet, do you think?
A French international that has cone from Barcelona?
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One of the worst halves under UE so far. This lot don't look any better than Hibs really...
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Far too sloppy at the back so far.
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Wasn’t there a pull on Duran there ?
Definitely. Is VAR not in use tonight? Watching in an airport lounge without sound.
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AZ 3-0 up.
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Chambers gets shitter with each appearance. He's miles off it.
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Wasn’t there a pull on Duran there ?
Definitely. Is VAR not in use tonight? Watching in an airport lounge without sound.
I think they counted him getting a shot away as having taken the advantage.
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Get Metty Cesh on for the second half, please, Unai.
Chambers looks awful, but tbh so have Digne and Lenglet.
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Played really well but the defence is awful and we look vulnerable every time they attack.
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At least UE has got 15 minutes to sort that out because our defence and defensive midfield were atrocious. Really taken aback by how easy it has been for Legia to play through us and how often we've not tracked people or given the ball away dangerously.
Thankfully, we look as though we've got a couple more goals in us.
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Chambers gets shitter with each appearance. He's miles off it.
He hasn’t played all season so not surprising really.
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I think the issue is also centre mid. Both Kamara and Tielemans look really half-arsed about tracking runners.
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I think we may have underestimated this side a bit.
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The ref is poor and allowing them to stick the boot in.
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Goal aside, Digne has been fucking shit
what's the impact of playing alongside Lenglet, do you think?
Digne continually loses his man at the far post whoever he’s playing alongside.
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
Or neither and players just playing badly.
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Chambers taking the stick but McGinn , Kamara and Tielemans posing absolute zero threat.
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We can’t defend.
They should be down to 10.
We should have a pen for the pull on Duran
Kamara seems off the boil; maybe no JJ upsets the midfield balance.
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Three things from that first half. Chambers has been terrible, the midfield have given the ball away far too easily and pulling a player's shirt when he is about to shoot from 8 yards now appears to be fine with the ref and VAR.
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
Most of us were happy with the team when announced
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
Or neither and players just playing badly.
Starting Chambers, who hasn't played a minute all season, is a decision, I would think.
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Kamara looks off it too, tbh.
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Anybody else got PWS on commentary?
Haha beat me to it. But I’m just catching up with the thread at half-time.
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2 or 3 changes at h-t hopefully.
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Think Kamara and Tielemans should be subbed as well. They both look knackered
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
To an extent we are experimenting with selection and it shows, but we have got to get game time into a few of these players as we are going to need them.
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
With Unai's record in European competition I'd find that very hard to believe
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
Most of us were happy with the team when announced
I thought we'd go stronger. A few didn't like the look of the defence either, too many changes back there, which might prove true.
It might be a case of thinking we'll concede but we'll score more, which works for me.
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Kamara looks off it too, tbh.
I think our midfield is way better with Luiz and JJ in the side. But obviously we will rotate and get injuries
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Thing is we are not going to win every group game, but 3 wins at home, 3 away draws will be more than enough to qualify. We have to balance cup and league with these Thurs and Sun combinations.
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Perhaps we all assumed our way to the final with all this funeralling chat. perhaps a dose of realism might help.
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Think Kamara and Tielemans should be subbed as well. They both look knackered
Both very poor. Neither have got an excuse for being knackered. Kamara has been off it for weeks now.
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Bad team selection or cold hard proof that we're prioritising the league?
To an extent we are experimenting with selection and it shows, but we have got to get game time into a few of these players as we are going to need them.
Agree. The midfield/forward changes aren't that surprising. Defensive ones are the experiment, but I suppose with the injuries there we're going to have to use these players.
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Thing is we are not going to win every group game, but 3 wins at home, 3 away draws will be more than enough to qualify. We have to balance cup and league with these Thurs and Sun combinations.
Nah, fuck that, funerals away and at home for me.
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Perhaps we all assumed our way to the final with all this funeralling chat. perhaps a dose of realism might help.
Here he is!
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Think Kamara and Tielemans should be subbed as well. They both look knackered
They have been rubbish first half. Get the ball to the front three and we look dangerous.
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Think Kamara and Tielemans should be subbed as well. They both look knackered
Both very poor. Neither have got an excuse for being knackered. Kamara has been off it for weeks now.
Both given the ball away dar too much.
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No changes at h-t ...
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Chambers taking the stick but McGinn , Kamara and Tielemans posing absolute zero threat.
McGinn? He can't do it all by himself. Not sure Kamara is the box to box player Emery wants him to be, he looks far more comfortable being the defensive midfielder which is odd as we're not playing with one. Yes, the full backs are getting exposed but it's in midfield we're really having our pants pulled down.
Maybe big Donk can bring some stability and protection for the defence. Even Chambers, who's having a 'mare could step in with Cash coming on at right back. We miss Dougie controlling the midfield even if he wasn't up to his usual world class standards against Palace.
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That's a hell of a "Polish Terrace View" in the Main Stand lower tier. Absolutely deserted at HT. The beer must be free.
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Perhaps we all assumed our way to the final with all this funeralling chat. perhaps a dose of realism might help.
Nah, these are shit and we should be well on top, we've just completely turned off a few times and let them get in without really having to try. The goals they scored were national league standard defending from Chambers on both and Digne on the first.
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I am watching some other foreign stream (hoping for audio sync) and there was no punditry at half time, just the camera picking out a series of attractive women in the crowd.
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We are going to funeral these to death and then FTF!
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We are going to funeral these to death and then FTF!
Such is our bloodlust, such is our thirst for funeralling, we will, once we have finished with them, start to funeral ourselves.
Out. Of. Control.
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Legia score. Again.
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3rd goal because of fucking Digne again
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Zaniolo is great.
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Oh FFS
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Should have saved it
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Digne lost it and they broke..
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we’re not very good in defence anymore are we?
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Fucking Digne……shit
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What the fuck is wrong with Martinez this season?
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We can’t keep defending like this
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Should be saving that
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we’re not very good in defence anymore are we?
Worryingly no.
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Emery is FUMING
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Another really poor one to concede, so fucking frustrating.
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Should have started Olsen.....
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All from Digne giving the all away further up the pitch. Terrible goal to concede yet again.
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Fucking hell, every time they come forward, they fucking score.
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Total shambles but I am shocked that UE changed nothing at half time.
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Chambers has forgotten he is allowed to tackle.
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This is woefully bad. I’ve not seen defending like this for a very long time.
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FFS Olsen, you should have saved that.
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We'll win
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Not sure I can remember such an inept display of defending in a very long time.
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There is something not quite right this season. Not sure why but we don't look like we did last season.
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We are going to funeral these to death and then FTF!
Such is our bloodlust, such is our thirst for funeralling, we will, once we have finished with them, start to funeral ourselves.
Out. Of. Control.
I like it. Funeral ourselves then rise from the dead to FTF!
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Been a bit worried by Emi in recent games.
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Conceded 3 goals in this is utterly embarrassing.
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Martinez wasn’t as good as some thought last season never mind this season.
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Can we have a fucking defence. This is woeful.
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Is it just me or every time someone mentions funerally we concede?
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Fucking Digne……shit
Chambers, surely?
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We are going to funeral these to death and then FTF!
Such is our bloodlust, such is our thirst for funeralling, we will, once we have finished with them, start to funeral ourselves.
Out. Of. Control.
I like it. Funeral ourselves then rise from the dead to FTF!
Ah, think we just started our self-funeral exercise early.
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Luca Digne gives the ball away shocker. He may be our worst player tonight. If not he's giving it a good go.
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Awful again. Started with Digne giving the ball away under no pressure at all. Why did Konsa not get tight and allow him so much space?
I bet these lot can't believe their luck tonight.
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There is something not quite right this season. Not sure why but we don't look like we did last season.
Missing Mings massively.
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Unai obviously didn’t see what we could all see from the first half and that was to make changes to the back four in particular
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Have we been fucking drugged?
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We have no composure.
Every one of them looks scared to death when we have the ball
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The defending is just so inept, every single time they come forward, they look like they are going to score, and they're shit.
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There is something not quite right this season. Not sure why but we don't look like we did last season.
Missing Mings massively.
Mings, Moreno, Ramsey all missing.
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Right, Emery, sort it the fuck out. Don't go mad in your chair then leave the same bunch of wasters on the pitch, get Chambers off, he's had a fucking nightmare.
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Fucking Digne……shit
Chambers, surely?
Digne gave the ball away under no pressure and Chambers made a very half hearted attempt to block the shot. Neither is good enough for us if we're hoping to win things.
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That was another opportunity for them, too.
FUCKIGN WAKE UP YOU ******
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Gobby Cabbage on commentary is spot on, we’ve been nowhere near aggressive enough defensively, just so limp in everything we do at the back. Please get well soon Tyrone.
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That cross was so predictable and yet nobody followed it in. Fucking useless at the back.
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They've sussed Bailey and he's not getting room anymore
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Right, Emery, sort it the fuck out. Don't go mad in your chair then leave the same bunch of wasters on the pitch, get Chambers off, he's had a fucking nightmare.
Bang on! Emery has let this carry on for far too long.
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When we are shit, we are proper shit aren’t we ?
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So fucking passive in everything. Only Duran seems like he’s pissed off.
Get some of our better players on right now.
Lightweight bastards
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They've sussed Bailey and he's not getting room anymore
I agree, I'd put Zaniolo over on the side and bring Cash on and overload him.
JJ on for Bailey to get some gametime as well.
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Ashley Young or Chambers at RB in a game like today? Young all day for me.
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If Emi's strip were one of my pool-testing strips, given the colour, his pH would measure a very high 8.4.
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There is something not quite right this season. Not sure why but we don't look like we did last season.
Missing Mings massively.
Mings, Moreno, Ramsey all missing.
Those 3 and Young were all excellent 2nd half last season
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Typical Bailey away performance.
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I hoped Legia would tire. It's us.
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Digne again….PLAY TO THE FUCKING WHISTLE YOU TWAT
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Chambers is utter ass
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Diaby Watkins Luiz coming on
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There's no way Digne could be sure he was offside, he didn't know where the fuck he was.
Subs. Here we go.
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Three changes but Chambers stays on??
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Lenglet looks like he's done some mushrooms pre-match or something.
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Tilemens most certainly hasnt taken his chance.
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Why is he making 3 changes and leaving on the full backs? Not sure I understand that.
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Fenton, Dougie and Diaby.
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There is something not quite right this season. Not sure why but we don't look like we did last season.
Missing Mings massively.
Mings, Moreno, Ramsey all missing.
The thing is he inherited a lot of those players but those he has brought in ( Diaby excepted) haven't made us better
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Why is he making 3 changes and leaving on the full backs? Not sure I understand that.
Plan seems to be to defend less score more.
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Kamara off. Duran off. McGinn off.
Chambers stays on. Tielemans stays on.
Hmm.
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Liverpool's penalty was soft as shite. Seeing how Bayern got one against Yanited last night, our lads should be rolling and tumbling at will.
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Tilemens most certainly hasnt taken his chance.
Absolute fucking toilet, hardly looks like he's broken a sweat.
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Duran unlucky to go off. Maybe he’s needed for the cup game next week.
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Tielemans can STFU prior to any thoughts of whining about not getting a chance again, he's done precisely nothing to suggest Emery was wrong.
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Tilemens most certainly hasnt taken his chance.
Absolute fucking toilet, hardly looks like he's broken a sweat.
Which is amazing in those shirts.
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Why is he making 3 changes and leaving on the full backs? Not sure I understand that.
Plan seems to be to defend less score more.
Surely, we can't defend any less?
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30 minutes to sort this mess out. Come on Villa!
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Why is he making 3 changes and leaving on the full backs? Not sure I understand that.
Plan seems to be to defend less score more.
Surely, we can't defend any less?
We'll see.
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Maybe Emery wants the wants who are having a mare to suffer and either sink or swim in the remainder of the game. It's a good test of character. We'll win all our home games so this isn't the end of the world if we lose.
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Tilemens most certainly hasnt taken his chance.
Absolute fucking toilet, hardly looks like he's broken a sweat.
I agree and quite astonishing considering everyone looks like they have stepped under a shower
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Strange game management. WTF?
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I wish their fans would shut up.
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Now Diaby is on we will get another.
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Zaniolo needs to be subbed before he gets a second yellow.
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Fuck my old boots. This is embarrassing now.
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Fuck
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Tilemens most certainly hasnt taken his chance.
Absolute fucking toilet, hardly looks like he's broken a sweat.
My worry was he would Barkley Mk2
May need mug punter to take him off our hands in Jan
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Has Tielemans always been this shit
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We're either really good or fucking shite
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Fucking stupid early kick off times.
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
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Konsa looks like he is running in quicksand tonight.
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So fucking lucky not to be 4 down here.
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We've been absolutely diabolical away from home this season so far, it's most concerning.
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Dreadful stuff, complete lack of defensive and midfield intensity.
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Emi is being held together with Duc
kt tape.
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We're either really good or fucking shite
Seems it all depends on who scores first.
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Right, Emery, sort it the fuck out. Don't go mad in your chair then leave the same bunch of wasters on the pitch, get Chambers off, he's had a fucking nightmare.
Bang on! Emery has let this carry on for far too long.
Our defence is as vulnerable as a puppy dumped at the side of a road. It's painful to watch at times. Without Emi our defence would be relegation material.
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Even Martinez is being shit.
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JJ and Cash coming on.
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Well, you can't accuse Emery of Gerrard style standing there and not changing anything as it goes badly.
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I’d have fancied the bench to beat the starters in a five a side. Hence the mess we find ourselves in.
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Worrying that we don’t appear to be able to trust some of what we thought were our better second string.
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First touch from so many of our lot has been atrocious
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Its like were playing stevenage.
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I wouldn't want to be sitting next to Emery on the flight home.
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I’d have fancied the bench to beat the starters in a five a side. Hence the mess we find ourselves in.
I wouldn’t as the bench would have Olsen in goal.
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I wouldn't want to be sitting next to Emery on the flight home.
I'd make the fuckers take the coach.
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I’d have fancied the bench to beat the starters in a five a side. Hence the mess we find ourselves in.
I wouldn’t as the bench would have Olsen in goal.
Doesn't look like there's as big a gap between Olsen and Martinez as we thought lately.
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Off the back of Newcastle and Liverpool away this is very worrying. Leaking goals all over the place and as it stands that’s 11 against so far.
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Watkins with the touch of a papist
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Can we leave our Munchi there and bring back their Muchi?
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As the ball bounces of the outhouse wall. For a change.
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Typical first touch from Watkins. Goes further than I can kick it.
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
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Why the fuck didn't we got for Maddison rather than Tielemans?
There's probably forty million reasons.
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Such a strange start to the season. I think we miss Mings - a leader and an organiser, for all the talent we have signed we need a few more like that
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Can we please work their keeper
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Why the fuck didn't we got for Maddison rather than Tielemans?
Forty million quid?
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
looking unlikely
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Zrinjski 3 - AZ Alkmaar 3
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Not getting any attempts on goal here
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Off the back of Newcastle and Liverpool away this is very worrying. Leaking goals all over the place and as it stands that’s 11 against so far.
And conceding within the first few minutes in both
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Bloody hell. Have some of you forgotten that two very important players of ours got season ending injuries in week one? Mings and Buendia are massive losses to us.
And 'embarrassing', really? Embarrassing was taking one point from 24 in january-February in the Championship in 2016-17. Not losing a tricky European tie.
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Zrinjski 3 - AZ Alkmaar 3
Get an equaliser and that'd be alright for the first night.
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Shite Lenglet.
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
Are you really? What have you made of our defending tonight?
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First touch all over the shop is fucking rubbish
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Fucking hell Bailey
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
Was it a hard choice to go with 'end of' or 'fact'?
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Playing like this we would even struggle to beat Manchester United
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I am going to whinge like a toddler.
What the fuck are these trousering every week?
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
Was it a hard choice to go with 'end of' or 'fact'?
Nailed on.
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Maybe Unai underestimated these?
Theey're better than I expected
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I am surprised by the negativity on here. We will top the group. End of!
Was it a hard choice to go with 'end of' or 'fact'?
Nearly went with 'simple as'.
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This is on free-to-air over here. I'm glad I haven't got a telly.
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Baileys been woeful
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It's free to score in Warsaw.
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Amazing that Digne and Lenglet both played for Barcelona.
Lenglet still does, technically.
And yes, THAT Barcelona, not the Barcelona Paper Boys XI or something.
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Strange game management. WTF?
Emery continuing his record of freezing when under the cosh. Unforgivable from someone who has enough experience to know better.
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Maybe Unai underestimated these?
Theey're better than I expected
Or overestimated some of our squad.
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Baileys been woeful
In other news, the Pope is Catholic, and bears defecate in the woods.
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Villa back to being old Villa?
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
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Maybe Unai underestimated these?
Theey're better than I expected
Or overestimated some of our squad.
I think that's the right assessment, tbh.
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Strange game management. WTF?
Emery continuing his record of freezing when under the cosh. Unforgivable from someone who has enough experience to know better.
Haha, yeah. Right.
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Villa back to being old Villa?
No.
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Bloody hell. Have some of you forgotten that two very important players of ours got season ending injuries in week one? Mings and Buendia are massive losses to us.
And 'embarrassing', really? Embarrassing was taking one point from 24 in january-February in the Championship in 2016-17. Not losing a tricky European tie.
The defending has been embarrassing for all those concerned. I've gone from saying our biggest problem is getting in a striker who scores regularly to now thinking our defence needs a helluva lot of work. That's now our biggest priority in my view.
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
Too many changes, some forced, some choices?
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Such a lack of energy
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2nd best all over the pitch
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Get up Bailey you fucking tart
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Zrinjski 3 - AZ Alkmaar 3
Get an equaliser and that'd be alright for the first night.
Didn't PWS post earlier that Alkmaar were 3-0 up ?!
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I'll take 3-4 if you offer it now
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
Lost Mings, lost Buendia, Ramsey and Moreno out. 1/3 of the starting 11 not there.
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
It has been mentioned already. Tyrone Mings.
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Bloody hell. Have some of you forgotten that two very important players of ours got season ending injuries in week one? Mings and Buendia are massive losses to us.
And 'embarrassing', really? Embarrassing was taking one point from 24 in january-February in the Championship in 2016-17. Not losing a tricky European tie.
Oh good, the hall monitor's here to tell us what we're doing wrong.
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We've played like headless chickens and they've wanted it more
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
Going from 7th to 7th is a sharp decline for sure 8)
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Zrinjski 3 - AZ Alkmaar 3
Get an equaliser and that'd be alright for the first night.
Didn't PWS post earlier that Alkmaar were 3-0 up ?!
Indeed they were...Zrinjski now have 4
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Are Tyrone and Buendia out? I don’t think I’ve heard that.
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Martinez wasting a minute while we are losing to whack the ball straight to one of their players
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
We've lost key players to injury - I think it's that simple. I think we've expected the team to just roll on because Emery is, well, Emery. But Mings and Buendia are obviously bigger misses than we might've expected. We are still really good in some area but at the back we're shambolic
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I thought our B team would have been strong enough to get results in this competition, looks like we will have to go strong in ever game.
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Are Tyrone and Buendia out? I don’t think I’ve heard that.
I do think it's funny that people keep mentioning Buendia when before preseason people were very vocal about him needing to be upgraded.
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Zrinjski 3 - AZ Alkmaar 3
Get an equaliser and that'd be alright for the first night.
Didn't PWS post earlier that Alkmaar were 3-0 up ?!
They were... that is an amazing comeback by our next opponents
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Lacking ideas
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I think we should stick together. Solidarity.
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Astonishingly bad.
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This is so disappointing and depressing.
Aston Villa FC: rinse and repeat.
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Have we even troubled their goal this half?
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Cabbage is actually correct in commentary.
No aggression in our play
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We should be leching these though.
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This has been amongst the worst performances under Emery, one of the very worst.
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
I've been thinking the same, Sam. We're not very good.
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This has been amongst the worst performances under Emery, one of the very worst.
100% woeful stuff.
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Dick out.
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Ramsay 😢😢
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We were mostly shit against Palace and we've been abysmal today.
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This has been amongst the worst performances under Emery, one of the very worst.
Newcastle and Liverpool also
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Villa back to being old Villa?
Just like those Spurs fans we have got our Villa back
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Legia have got this. Just standing their ground until we give it away.
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Ramsey should have scored
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Dick out.
This is awful, and I don't like it...
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I knew these bastards would ruin my day.
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Ramsay should have Zlotyed that in.
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Has it all been built up too much and players have ‘frozen’ on the night ?
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I think we should stick together. Solidarity.
You're asking a LOT.
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Oh, JJ FFS
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Ramsey should have scored
So should Diaby.
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
Going from 7th to 7th is a sharp decline for sure 8)
The defence was tight as a duck's bum left season, but we're shipping goals left right and centre.
I know Mings is a big loss but his replacements are all highly regarded.
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Watkins has joined the being shit club
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You can't polish a turd.
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We are bottom of the group on goals scored.
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Imagine spending fortunes going all the way out there to watch this crap
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Getting sick of this commentator saying we should still enjoy the occasion. Fuck that, I want to see a win or at least a half acceptable performance, not the dog shit we've had dished up tonight..
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Total lack of aggression, we have been bullied.
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None of the PL's ridiculous 25 mins injury time to save us here, either.
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Crap from Ramsey
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Two away goals though. *
*I suppose they don't count.
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I know Mings is a big loss but his replacements are all highly regarded.
That's considered offensive these days. Oh, you said 'regarded'.
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Poor from Ramsey. Scuff from Diaby.
Our first 11 is decent although defence is a worry. The majority of the bench is shit.
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I know Mings is a big loss but his replacements are all highly regarded.
That's considered offensive these days. Oh, you said 'regarded'.
*applause*
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This has been amongst the worst performances under Emery, one of the very worst.
Not sure it's the worst performance these last 7 days. Those last minute goals against a poor Palace side hid a lot of our current problems. Midfield being the key area and the less said about our defence the better.
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How long left
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I'm so pleased I didn't book that hotel room in Athens next spring!
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I genuinely don't understand what's happened since last season. We were really good, and now we look a mess.
Going from 7th to 7th is a sharp decline for sure 8)
The defence was tight as a duck's bum left season, but we're shipping goals left right and centre.
I know Mings is a big loss but his replacements are all highly regarded.
Yes but it's early and our most regular player got injured. No need to panic or think we're suddenly terrible. Unai will work on it and it'll be fine.
We'll probably even beat Chelsea at the weekend tbh.
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Diaby been poor
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We need time to gel.
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Oh, JJ FFS
He's rusty, can be excused... The rest of them though...
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How long left
5 minutes added time
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We need to ghetto grip.
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I'm so pleased I didn't book that hotel room in Athens next spring!
I'm glad mine's got a reasonable cancellation policy.
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No need to panic or think we're suddenly terrible.
What about when we do actually look terrible?
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AZ seems to have pissed away their match as well.
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One of those where we thought we just had to turn up to win. A right kick up the backside.
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So reminiscent of the Stevenage game. Think it's going to be a doddle before we even get on the field, and have not reacted to getting our pants pulled down. A lot of this is down to attitude - poor from the first minute. This is what was being churned out under Gerrard and the last few weeks under Smith.
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It's the shirts fault. All that sweat is affecting all of them.
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No need to panic or think we're suddenly terrible.
What about when we do actually look terrible?
Over a significant period of time, fine.
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I'm so pleased I didn't book that hotel room in Athens next spring!
Don't nook a flight there either, it'll leave it cheaper for the rest of us. Ta!
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I’ve just managed to sell my Athens hotel booking to Lech Floweza
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We’re shit…. And we know we are
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Two shots in two minutes.
Neither of them much good though.
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i honestly got to say we actually look like we DONT want to win this
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Goodness me. We are going through a bad spell at the moment. It won't last, but it is very annoying after the amazing finish to last season.
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Why does the commentator pronounce "Douglas" like that?
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Don't often see emery just sitting there
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Why does the commentator pronounce "Douglas" like that?
Douglash
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I blame all you ****** that booked hotels in Athens.
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The commentator is awful.
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Urgh, side netting
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Fucking pathetic Digne.
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Fucking SHITE!
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Full time
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Why does the commentator pronounce "Douglas" like that?
Douglash
He's doing it in a Rio accent, proper order.
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Goodness me. We are going through a bad spell at the moment. It won't last, but it is very annoying after the amazing finish to last season.
Are we? We’re 7th, smashed Hibs, and lost 3-2 away in Europe.
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Got what we deserved nothing.
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Tielemans. Urgh
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Looks like the giant woke up rolled over and fell asleep again.
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positives errrr Ramsey is back
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Most commented we needed another right back and we clearly do.
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Bollocks
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positives errrr Ramsey is back
And did nothing
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positives errrr Ramsey is back
And did nothing
Harsh.
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Goodness me. We are going through a bad spell at the moment. It won't last, but it is very annoying after the amazing finish to last season.
Are we? We’re 7th, smashed Hibs, and lost 3-2 away in Europe.
Yes, we are, comparatively with our form under Emery last season. We are hit and miss, have been battered by teams we were completing with last season and have just lost another game to a team we shouldn't be conceding 3 goals against. Hibs are a pub team.
I'm certainly not panicking though. But say it like it is.
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3 big chances at the end Ramsey, Diarby
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Fummin. Proper angried me up. Some right half-arsed shit from some. What the fuck is wrong with Kamara?
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I’d give us a 2/10 for that and that’s for the goals. A terrible lacklustre performance and the only explanation I can think of is that we thought it would be easy. If we’d have got to 50% of what we can do we’d have won it.
Defensively it’s worrying again away from home and Tielemans was way off what’s needed. The loss of Mings is big but there’s no excuse for some of that defending tonight. They weren’t helped by the midfield who seemed to watch them walk through us.
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Another piss poor away day