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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Flin5tone on August 14, 2023, 08:34:27 AM
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After this weekends reality check on the pitch, the general feeling that everything is not quite right off the pitch , we now need someone from the club to tell us what the 'heck' is going on.
Since the departure of Christian Purslow we've been all over the place, from the badge issue, pricing,terrace view fiasco and poor quality kits and just general feeling of everything being up in the air.
Only Villa could finish 7th and find themselves in European competition with a fresh new start on the horizon only to mess the whole thing up in typical fashion.
Heck hasn't introduced himself to the supporters and it seems nobody else can be bothered to tell us their thinking behind vital decisions being made at the top.
Not a thing from them before the opener
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It’s one bad result.
And there is not a “ general feeling that everything is not quite right off the pitch” anywhere other than in your head.
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You can tell we lost, Wilma's fella uses it for one of his rants.
As most of those things he is complaining about would have actually been under Purslows reign, does he want to know why we are continuing them?
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If the club make any sort of statement the first responses from the more negative supporter will be along the lines of “don’t tells us, show us” and “talk is cheap”.
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Genuine question has Heck formally introduced himself via a press conference or Q&A.
I like the fact that he doesn’t seek the limelight but it’d be interesting to hear his early thoughts and what he sees as his responsibilities.
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It’s one bad result.
And there is not a “ general feeling that everything is not quite right off the pitch” anywhere other than in your head.
Indeed. My reaction was, yawn.
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The work that Heck did in the states was phenomenal; the fact that he hasn't popped round to Bedrock to meet the natives and that we lost on Saturday does not sway me from the optimism that I have for this season.
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I agree. It's obvious the problem on Saturday was the confusion over which way the lion was facing on the badge. It was also very clear from how the players reacted to Mings' injury that they're not happy about the pricing for Conference playoff tickets. Unless someone off the pitch starts thinking of the working class fan we're doomed to a season of results like this.
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People 'demanding' club statements all the time is utterly ridiculous. Flin, you're becoming a parody of yourself and it's beyond boring now.
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I agree. It's obvious the problem on Saturday was the confusion over which way the lion was facing on the badge. It was also very clear from how the players reacted to Mings' injury that they're not happy about the pricing for Conference playoff tickets. Unless someone off the pitch starts thinking of the working class fan we're doomed to a season of results like this.
And they say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit….😜
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I think those of us who grew up with the publicity-lovingDoug Ellis expect those at the top of the club to be shoving their faces into the public arena constantly. It isn't necessarily like that at other clubs. Christian Purslow was another exception in the Doug mould.
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I agree. It's obvious the problem on Saturday was the confusion over which way the lion was facing on the badge. It was also very clear from how the players reacted to Mings' injury that they're not happy about the pricing for Conference playoff tickets. Unless someone off the pitch starts thinking of the working class fan we're doomed to a season of results like this.
And they say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit….😜
I thought the lion symbolised Saturday’s second half performance - we didn’t know whether we were coming or going.
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After this weekends reality check on the pitch, the general feeling that everything is not quite right off the pitch , we now need someone from the club to tell us what the 'heck' is going on.
Since the departure of Christian Purslow we've been all over the place, from the badge issue, pricing,terrace view fiasco and poor quality kits and just general feeling of everything being up in the air.
Only Villa could finish 7th and find themselves in European competition with a fresh new start on the horizon only to mess the whole thing up in typical fashion.
Heck hasn't introduced himself to the supporters and it seems nobody else can be bothered to tell us their thinking behind vital decisions being made at the top.
Not a thing from them before the opener
Perhaps he should come onto the pitch before the Everton game and complete a lap of the pitch before giving a speech. I’m sure you saw what happened at Small Heath, well, the same as that.
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I think you have too much time on your hands camping mr stone.
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I'm not interested in the boring nonsense the club come out with. Or not
Just win you fuckers and cheer us all up!
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At the risk of giving any shred of credibility to our very own Neil Oliver, I do think there's a couple of things Villa should say, if only to quieten the rumours - namely, are there any plans to 'upgrade' existing seats or facilities and how many away tickets are available to corporates compared to last season.
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At the risk of giving any shred of credibility to our very own Neil Oliver, I do think there's a couple of things Villa should say, if only to quieten the rumours - namely, are there any plans to 'upgrade' existing seats or facilities and how many away tickets are available to corporates compared to last season.
I can answer the last bit. Not as many.
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At the risk of giving any shred of credibility to our very own Neil Oliver, I do think there's a couple of things Villa should say, if only to quieten the rumours - namely, are there any plans to 'upgrade' existing seats or facilities and how many away tickets are available to corporates compared to last season.
I can answer the last bit. Not as many.
Because they're prioritising Terrace View members?
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I'm pretty happy with the statement of signing Diaby, Torres and Tielemans myself.
Saturday is hopefully just another bump in the road, 99% of teams have them and hopefully we'll grow stronger from it rather than go into our shells.
Club could be doing better on some of the off the field stuff but again that's par for the course for most clubs.
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I think those of us who grew up with the publicity-lovingDoug Ellis expect those at the top of the club to be shoving their faces into the public arena constantly. It isn't necessarily like that at other clubs. Christian Purslow was another exception in the Doug mould.
There's a lot of truth in that. Seventeen years on (and if that doesn't make you feel old, nothing will) we still expect the owner to be here all the time and the CEO to be in the news regularly.
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There's some irony in a post titled 'Silent Treatment' originating from our very own Mr Flinstone.
It's something we should all endorse.
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My lips are sealed.
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At the risk of giving any shred of credibility to our very own Neil Oliver, I do think there's a couple of things Villa should say, if only to quieten the rumours - namely, are there any plans to 'upgrade' existing seats or facilities and how many away tickets are available to corporates compared to last season.
I can answer the last bit. Not as many.
Because they're prioritising Terrace View members?
Not according to my contact.
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
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Hello darkness my old friend or silence is golden.
You pays your money and you tales your choice.
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
Really?
By highlighting what's happening?
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
Really?
By highlighting what's happening?
It’s what you do. That’s the point he’s making. Had we won you wouldn’t have started the thread.
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Believe me his sort were about even in the Saunders era. Some things never change
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
Really?
By highlighting what's happening?
Highlighting what's happening in your head. Just lighten up mate. Despite an awful result it was not an awful performance. For about 70 minutes we were well in the game then the wheels fell off. It happens sometimes. We have a quality manager who's building a quality squad. We've not got the wealth of a human rights abusing nation behind us but I prefer what we do have.
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I also think that the club has not been great with either communication or its interaction with supporter groups and the fan base in general
Emery saved them last year from a lot of criticism and enabled them to mask another large price increase, manipulation of categories, awful sponsors, and the truly terrible Terrace View idea. Terrace View seems to be being sold with massive desperation promising a way to circumvent Away ticket criteria if what is to be believed by those who Villa has contacted. It will also look awful if it's half-full from mid-season or we have people in the bar in numbers after halftime (like club Wembley). Someone's reputation is on the line with that so I suspect they will not allow it to fail but next year if we have an average season at £1500 or higher will be a different story
I can only assume lots of these things were actually planned under Purslow as I cannot imagine the Terrace View just happens that quickly. This is not a reaction to the result on Saturday as we were discussing it on the way up full of optimism and frankly slept most of the time on the way back.
They have acted poorly in my view and are a bad season away from a lot of discontentment(which we are more than capable of) . I know a lot of friends who renewed this year and really struggled to justify it with everything else going up, the monthly on an 8-month payment plan is really substantial with a couple of tickets.
I hope for better but the signs in the last couple of years are not good in my view
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I’ll be honest I think most clubs are a bad season away from discontent.
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I'm surprised how many people still don't understand what the Terrace View is. It's not a block of seats (at the moment) it's just a bar. People who have bought Terrace View season tickets will be seated randomly around the Holte upper, so there won't be any blocks of empty seats whilst people finish their pies.
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I’ll be honest I think most clubs are a bad season away from discontent.
Nobody ever gets sold a cold pie when the team's winning.
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
Really?
By highlighting what's happening?
Yes, really. You continually focus on all of the negative aspects of the club even in light of all of the positive that has gone on in the last 7-8 months and the upward trajectory that we are on. You never post on matchday threads and you spew the most pessimistic and outlandish crap I read on here from day to day.
You're a shit member of the community and a troll that offers nothing of substance.
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"A shit member of the community" blimey how old are you? I'm expressing opinions about the club which the Gent above pretty much covered.
When we've done well I've expressed my joy like after the Brighton game last season.
I wanted us to build from that but we've gone backwards and the complete lack of communication pre-season has been poor
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"A shit member of the community" blimey how old are you? I'm expressing opinions about the club which the Gent above pretty much covered.
When we've done well I've expressed my joy like after the Brighton game last season.
I wanted us to build from that but we've gone backwards and the complete lack of communication pre-season has been poor
Backwards? Why, because Purslow got canned because of a rigged badge vote that turned out to be a total farce - propping up a re-designed old badge, flipping the lion and calling it new?
Backwards, because we just broke our transfer record to attract a player who scores in their first league match and could've made zillions in Saudi? Backwards, because we now have a real manager with a real backroom support staff? Backwards, because we brought in Heck who had the 5th largest value gain during his time with the Sixers in ALL of professional sports?
You don't like the jerseys, you don't like the prices, you don't like or trust the club - we get it. If we had gotten a draw on Saturday you wouldn't have said a peep. Nothing is "not right off the pitch", we haven't been a "mess" since Purslow left. You're clutching at straws to spread your infectious misery, you can keep it.
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Utterly pointless and provocative thread. OP knows exactly what he's doing, just stirring shit - par for the course.
Really?
By highlighting what's happening?
Yes, really. You continually focus on all of the negative aspects of the club even in light of all of the positive that has gone on in the last 7-8 months and the upward trajectory that we are on. You never post on matchday threads and you spew the most pessimistic and outlandish crap I read on here from day to day.
You're a shit member of the community and a troll that offers nothing of substance.
Less of the abuse please, however deserved it might be.
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And then has the brass neck to accuse someone else of being immature.
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I'm sorry all - I can't stand it anymore.
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Don't feed the troll.
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I'm surprised how many people still don't understand what the Terrace View is. It's not a block of seats (at the moment) it's just a bar. People who have bought Terrace View season tickets will be seated randomly around the Holte upper, so there won't be any blocks of empty seats whilst people finish their pies.
So, Chris I presume there is no entry to Terrace view without a Holte End ticket or is it offered to ticket holders in other parts of the ground before the match?
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I’ll be honest I think most clubs are a bad season away from discontent.
O'Leary told us.
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You really should have made "What the Heck is Going On" your thread title.
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"A shit member of the community" blimey how old are you? I'm expressing opinions about the club which the Gent above pretty much covered.
When we've done well I've expressed my joy like after the Brighton game last season.
I wanted us to build from that but we've gone backwards and the complete lack of communication pre-season has been poor
Backwards? Why, because Purslow got canned because of a rigged badge vote that turned out to be a total farce - propping up a re-designed old badge, flipping the lion and calling it new?
Backwards, because we just broke our transfer record to attract a player who scores in their first league match and could've made zillions in Saudi? Backwards, because we now have a real manager with a real backroom support staff? Backwards, because we brought in Heck who had the 5th largest value gain during his time with the Sixers in ALL of professional sports?
You don't like the jerseys, you don't like the prices, you don't like or trust the club - we get it. If we had gotten a draw on Saturday you wouldn't have said a peep. Nothing is "not right off the pitch", we haven't been a "mess" since Purslow left. You're clutching at straws to spread your infectious misery, you can keep it.
Don't bother mate, best not to engage with this person, you won't miss much it's essentially the same tedious post over and over.Ignore them, you'll feel better for it.
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I'm surprised how many people still don't understand what the Terrace View is. It's not a block of seats (at the moment) it's just a bar. People who have bought Terrace View season tickets will be seated randomly around the Holte upper, so there won't be any blocks of empty seats whilst people finish their pies.
So, Chris I presume there is no entry to Terrace view without a Holte End ticket or is it offered to ticket holders in other parts of the ground before the match?
I'd say no entrance without a pass, just like any other private lounge. It is only for people in the Holte Upper and guess access will be through the main Holte concourse.
I believe they were going to sell access on a game by game basis, but assume that would need to be pre-booked.
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I'm surprised how many people still don't understand what the Terrace View is. It's not a block of seats (at the moment) it's just a bar. People who have bought Terrace View season tickets will be seated randomly around the Holte upper, so there won't be any blocks of empty seats whilst people finish their pies.
So, Chris I presume there is no entry to Terrace view without a Holte End ticket or is it offered to ticket holders in other parts of the ground before the match?
I'd say no entrance without a pass, just like any other private lounge. It is only for people in the Holte Upper and guess access will be through the main Holte concourse.
I believe they were going to sell access on a game by game basis, but assume that would need to be pre-booked.
Believe that where the access for disablity seating is also planned
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I can't believe how many posters engage with an obvious troll, as the thread title says give it the silent treatment.
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My lips are sealed.
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Good result for FF's mob though, even if Leedzzz are on the slide.
In fairness to Tom Brady, you can understand why he'd look at that support base and think they need vitamin supplements. Vitamins, charisma, chromosomes. Where to start.
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our very own Neil Oliver
This must surely be the most damning thing one poster has ever written about another on H&V. Right behind you on that, Mr Woodhall.
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I said at Christmas we were crying out for a backup keeper and you mocked me- now 99% of Villa fans recognise we need one.
Many Villa fans will moan about the poor catering service - I address that and I'm a 'moaner'
We've had no introduction or communication from the club at all pre-season since Christian left
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I said at Christmas we were crying out for a backup keeper and you mocked me- now 99% of Villa fans recognise we need one.
Many Villa fans will moan about the poor catering service - I address that and I'm a 'moaner'
We've had no introduction or communication from the club at all pre-season since Christian left
Did you get a response from the club when you put all your concerns to them?
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I think you're right, you'll find everyone on here is a big fan of Olsen.
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I said at Christmas we were crying out for a backup keeper and you mocked me- now 99% of Villa fans recognise we need one.
Many Villa fans will moan about the poor catering service - I address that and I'm a 'moaner'
We've had no introduction or communication from the club at all pre-season since Christian left
Backup keeper, most had raised that in November so I don't think waiting until Christmas is you raising an issue and now 99% agreeing.
The catering has been a moan for multiple years and owners. Nothing real new unless you have a statement from the Away end take which would be new to most villa fans.
And what specifically do you want as communication? Your initial moan seems to be that since Purslow left, look at everything I can raise as a negative, forgetting that the majority of them was actually under Purslows remit. In theory only the back track on the badge change across the board seems to be an issue which could have been Heck coming in and going "what the hell was the other fella doing here? Most didn't want want that and we would need to spend how much changing it everywhere?". But as a club, they wouldn't air out that in public I suspect.
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The idea anyone would get mocked for suggesting Olsen isn’t good enough for us.
Wow.
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After this weekends reality check on the pitch, the general feeling that everything is not quite right off the pitch , we now need someone from the club to tell us what the 'heck' is going on.
Since the departure of Christian Purslow we've been all over the place, from the badge issue, pricing,terrace view fiasco and poor quality kits and just general feeling of everything being up in the air.
Only Villa could finish 7th and find themselves in European competition with a fresh new start on the horizon only to mess the whole thing up in typical fashion.
Heck hasn't introduced himself to the supporters and it seems nobody else can be bothered to tell us their thinking behind vital decisions being made at the top.
Not a thing from them before the opener
I think you need to calm down a bit.
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
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Fuck my life. One bad result and Fred is shouting for Wilma. Have a can of monster and calm down.
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
What are the three things you most love about the Villa, Fred, and your top 3 away day memories?
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
What are the three things you most love about the Villa, Fred, and your top 3 away day memories?
Stern John equaliser, best day of my life
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
I get those, I find a bar of dairy milk usually sets things in motion.
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
Because they haven't made a statement for a purpose that you aren't able to actually specify? Purslow left, we got new people in, the end.
The thing that isn't right is the unfortunate circumstances of losing 2 key members of the team in a week, not some shadowy unknowable nonsense that you're predicting for a completely unknown reason.
Us losing on Saturday has nothing to do with a new CEO making as many statements as you'd like.
If you are able to actually articulate what you think is going on, and in relation to what exactly it might help. Otherwise, just seems like you're moaning as usual
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
So, are you asking for a statement or a winning streak? Are both likely to shut people up?
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Let's see how you all feel closer to Christmas about all things Villa. I've just got this gut feeling something isn't right behind the scenes.
What are the three things you most love about the Villa, Fred, and your top 3 away day memories?
History
Tradition
Villa Park
Narrowing it down to Away Days is a bit ridiculous as there's plenty of 'Home only' fans for various reasons including financial . But I've indeed done plenty . In fact I done almost every away in the championship
Highlights of 'all time'
The last season at Highbury -lovely stadium
Reading Away in the championship -first away win in what seemed years, great atmosphere that night
Blues Away - various wins -
There will have been more glamorous ones but those stick out
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
So, are you asking for a statement or a winning streak? Are both likely to shut people up?
We need an official interview and statement from whoever replaced Christian and a few wins
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
Almost nobody will ever be happy with price increases, but as stated elsewhere it's an unfortunate part of the game now, and understandably thinking the terrace view is a shit idea - but this idea that something is wrong behind the scenes is fantastical nonsense
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
So, are you asking for a statement or a winning streak? Are both likely to shut people up?
We need an official interview and statement from whoever replaced Christian and a few wins
A statement about what though, and why? What is this strange obsession with a statement. Also Purslow going, we changed the structure slightly at the top didn't we, so there's not necessarily a direct replacement anyway.
But again, a statement about what exactly?
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
So, are you asking for a statement or a winning streak? Are both likely to shut people up?
We need an official interview and statement from whoever replaced Christian and a few wins
This has that weird chronically online energy usually reserved for fandoms on twitter.
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We've had a bad bad week . I think the other bits that have irked a few are the huge ticket price hikes and Terrace View .
If we can go on a winning streak now - Everton / Hibs / Burnley / Hibs i think things will look far rosier again
So, are you asking for a statement or a winning streak? Are both likely to shut people up?
I'm not asking for a statement. Just saying a few wins and the general mood will improve instantly . We've probably been through the worst week since the days of Gerrard this last week so we all need a lift
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
Deletegate
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
Deletegate
New territory here, the moderators construction of the character of Flinstone as not a true representative of his multi faceted self.
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
Deletegate
New territory here, the moderators construction of the character of Flinstone as not a true representative of his multi faceted self.
Yeh, he set out to drain the swamp and has been bought down by the Deep State, it’s a withch hunt I tell ya.
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
I suggest you explain exactly what you mean by that.
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Flint stone mate, nobody is out to get you but you do come out with some very daily mail headline comments.
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Flint stone mate, nobody is out to get you but you do come out with some very daily mail headline comments.
He talks misery ridden bollocks constantly and is on here like a shot especially after a defeat. It's very transparent and he's going to called out on it every time. We've all bitched and moaned on here over the years, but if any individual occupies the space of never being happy with anything yet claim to support the club, the obvious question will be why bother? That or looking for he is looking for an argument, thus being called a troll. Rightly or wrongly, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
I suggest you explain exactly what you mean by that.
Last active at 4.46pm and still waiting for an explanation.
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I can't be alone in hoping that this is the moment when we all get put out of his misery.
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I can't be alone in hoping that this is the moment when we all get put out of his misery.
I fear not as I believe he is stimulated with some form of narcissism by all the discussions around the predominantly negative points he makes. Se should all refrain however difficult it is.
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You may well be right... I'm in no position to comment - still less make any diagnosis - on what goes on in another person's head. It may also be the case that he's on a massive wind up.
Either way, even if not sacked then the "Silent Treatment" is precisely the outcome he could hope to expect from us.
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Silent treatment !
Anything but we’re up to 83 replies and counting
If you don’t like it you’ve only got yourselves to blame
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But again, a statement about what exactly?
He wants Heck to investigate the mods on here who have obviously deleted his "joyful" posts like the one he posted after we beat Brighton.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened to suit certain narratives.
I suggest you explain exactly what you mean by that.
Last active at 4.46pm and still waiting for an explanation.
10.12pm and still nothing.
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I think a lot of people like my input on here , let's face it the forum was becoming a bit flat before my arrival.
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Goodbye.