Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 04, 2023, 05:36:33 PM
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As very few us on here will be around for the bicentennial, do we know what the club has planned for 2024 ?
For the centenary we played a pre season game at VP against Dirty Leeds. There was a special edition programme which inside also had a full reproduction of the very first Villa News & Record.
There was 29k at the game, we lost 2-1. Sammy Morgan scored for us, Chris Nicholl scored an own goal and IIRC Ray Graydon missed two pens.
What are the club planning if anything ? What should they be planning ?
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If I were planning it ...
Friendly against Bayern Munich. Make sure it's on TV, anywhere we can get it on TV. Anywhere we can, give it away if needs be. Absolute Villa propaganda fest.
Get a parade of former players, managers, staff before the game. In between, show a Disneyfied version of the club's history, really sell us as basically the club who invented football as it exists today. Fireworks and pyrotechnics and stuff before the game
Half time, get Duran Duran and/or Black Sabbath to put on a show. Something like that.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
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Thought about this last summer, and my 'wishlist' included
- An excellent manager, and competitive team on the pitch. (done)
- A piece of silverware in 2023/24 or 2024/25, preferably the FA Cup. (looks possible)
- A new and round badge. (was done)
- New North Stand. (on its way)
- A Lion Rampant, as was on the old Trinity, being re-introduced. (probably unlikely)
- Really nice, traditional home and away kits, and a third that is modelled on one of our earliest shirts e.g. similar to what Hearts have done. (we'll see)
- A couple of 'celebration' friendlies against top sides we've faced in Europe e.g. Inter Milan and/or Barcelona. (should be easier now with UE)
And lastly, a bumper '150th Anniversary' paper edition of H&V so Dave W can add to his hefty bank balance. Seriously though, I'd likely buy a few copies.
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For starters
Do a better job than the centenary of Villa Park.
Don't include playing Blues.
Don't make a shit homage kit.
Focus on all our history, not just 80-82.
No shit banners around VP that make no sense.
Win the FA Cup.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
Using rugby rules in the first half?
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
Using rugby rules in the first half?
That probably never happened either.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
Using rugby rules in the first half?
That probably never happened either.
Is that a Peter Morris story? I can't remember.
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As very few us on here will be around for the bicentennial, do we know what the club has planned for 2024 ?
For the centenary we played a pre season game at VP against Dirty Leeds. There was a special edition programme which inside also had a full reproduction of the very first Villa News & Record.
There was 29k at the game, we lost 2-1. Sammy Morgan scored for us, Chris Nicholl scored an own goal and IIRC Ray Graydon missed two pens.
What are the club planning if anything ? What should they be planning ?
I went to that game and still have the special edition programme from it.
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I bet you they’ll do a Bayern Munich game.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Small Heath. They're going to have half the planet supporting them the way they're prattling on
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
Using rugby rules in the first half?
That probably never happened either.
Nemanja Vidic disagrees - says it inspired him to get into the game.
I agree on 25 November too. I generally fall out with a couple of people on social media on that day.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Wolves?
Aston Brook St. Mary's. And none of that 25th November nonsense either.
Using rugby rules in the first half?
That probably never happened either.
Is that a Peter Morris story? I can't remember.
It's in his book and accepted as fact, but Mr R (who else?) pointed out that how come a team who had never played anything, let alone rugby, managed to stop a proper team from scoring for forty minutes?
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I think an H&V anniversary special sounds like a great idea!
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Woodhall to buy another round.
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I wouldn't necessarily buy it, but I would go about bothering the sellers, trying to put some faces to names.
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So if November 1874 is wrong, when is the right season to be marking this - 2023/24 or next season, 2024/25?
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Win the FA Cup, that will do for me.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Why?
Can't think of that many fixtures that we could have, where it's something relatively meaningful to us and would be seen as a 'special occasion'. The club has had two, maybe three, really dominant periods in it's history. 1880s-1900s, late 70s/early 80s, and .. well, I'm not sure there are any others. So you're really looking at clubs like Preston/Albion/Sunderland/Everton for the earlier period ... although I'd not have thought any of those would be a big draw ... or Ipswich, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, maybe Everton again from the latter period.
I don't see as we have much option. Bayern Munich and Barcelona are comfortably the biggest clubs (current size) we've beaten a proper final, and of those Bayern Munich was comfortably the bigger occasion.
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We should just split the squad in two and play a game between ourselves… the week before the season starts, at Wembley, with a shield to the winners. That’ll do me.
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Win the FA Cup, that will do for me.
If ever there was a year to win it. No parade though. That can wait until we bring the Euro Conference Cup back a few days later. Oh and like JD, I still have my 1974 programme.
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Win the FA Cup, that will do for me.
If ever there was a year to win it. No parade though. That can wait until we bring the Euro Conference Cup back a few days later. Oh and like JD, I still have my 1974 programme.
Good thinking, then we can just do one parade for all 5 trophies (League, FA Cup, League Cup, Europa Conference, and the kids with the Leyland DAF Shield or whatever it's called)
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Why?
Can't think of that many fixtures that we could have, where it's something relatively meaningful to us and would be seen as a 'special occasion'. The club has had two, maybe three, really dominant periods in it's history. 1880s-1900s, late 70s/early 80s, and .. well, I'm not sure there are any others. So you're really looking at clubs like Preston/Albion/Sunderland/Everton for the earlier period ... although I'd not have thought any of those would be a big draw ... or Ipswich, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, maybe Everton again from the latter period.
I don't see as we have much option. Bayern Munich and Barcelona are comfortably the biggest clubs (current size) we've beaten a proper final, and of those Bayern Munich was comfortably the bigger occasion.
Because all we ever seem to talk about is 198bloody2 and because why would Bayern want to play us?
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Probably not practical but a guest opponent made up of former Villa players still playing would be nostalgic for us fans at least. There's plenty of them - Grealish, Walker, Milner, Young, Targett, El Ghazi, Benteke, Nakamba, Bannon, Carson, Weimann, Davis, Heaton, Clark, Hogg, Wesley, Veretout, Gueye, Abraham, Snodgrass, Hourihane, Johnstone, Tuanzebe, Green and Bree come to mind - and have them managed by Dean Smith. Recent retired former favourites like Hutton too, maybe Barry and Petrovic. Plenty of substitutions would allow our fans to give them all a fond welcome back (maybe not McCormack, Gardner or Hogan).
I was at the centenary game against Leeds. Jesus, I can't believe that was nearly 50 years ago! I'm getting old very quickly.
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Just a gold stand alone lion on the shirt next season will do for me, possibly with 150 underneath it.
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As very few us on here will be around for the bicentennial, do we know what the club has planned for 2024 ?
For the centenary we played a pre season game at VP against Dirty Leeds. There was a special edition programme which inside also had a full reproduction of the very first Villa News & Record.
There was 29k at the game, we lost 2-1. Sammy Morgan scored for us, Chris Nicholl scored an own goal and IIRC Ray Graydon missed two pens.
What are the club planning if anything ? What should they be planning ?
I went to that game and still have the special edition programme from it.
I was also there and have the programme, time has wiped out my memory so good to read the details
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For Villa Parks centenary in 1997 the club held an open day, with players dotted around at various parts of the ground to sign autographs. It was packed, and I got to see all round the offices walk round the pitch etc. There were a few stalls set up to buy old match day programs too I think.
It wouldn’t be as appealing to me now as a grumpy adult, but me and every other villa mad twelve year old had an awesome experience that day.
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Villa v League Select X1 (players from Accrington, Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley, Derby, Everton, Notts C, Preston, Stoke, WBA, and Wolves).
An old stars game followed by current players.
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I was there for the 100th celebration and shocked to hear of the 150th, those years have sped by for me. Maybe we should commemorate it by moving to Perry Barr and wearing a quartered shirt kit that everyone hates. The best way for me would be to win the fa cup, those two defeats still rankle.
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Probably not practical but a guest opponent made up of former Villa players still playing would be nostalgic for us fans at least. There's plenty of them - Grealish, Walker, Milner, Young, Targett, El Ghazi, Benteke, Nakamba, Bannon, Carson, Weimann, Davis, Heaton, Clark, Hogg, Wesley, Veretout, Gueye, Abraham, Snodgrass, Hourihane, Johnstone, Tuanzebe, Green and Bree come to mind - and have them managed by Dean Smith. Recent retired former favourites like Hutton too, maybe Barry and Petrovic. Plenty of substitutions would allow our fans to give them all a fond welcome back (maybe not McCormack, Gardner or Hogan).
I was at the centenary game against Leeds. Jesus, I can't believe that was nearly 50 years ago! I'm getting old very quickly.
Why am I hearing that list of players in Cletus The Slack Jawed Yokel's voice...
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I wouldn't necessarily buy it, but I would go about bothering the sellers, trying to put some faces to names.
Is that the programme?...
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If there is to be a commemorative game, the obvious choice would be the first FA cup final that Villa played in 1887: the opponents were the Bitters. I think this would be both appropriate for reflecting the heritage of the club and also a good poke in the eye for the bluenoses.
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If there is to be a commemorative game, the obvious choice would be the first FA cup final that Villa played in 1887: the opponents were the Bitters. I think this would be both appropriate for reflecting the heritage of the club and also a good poke in the eye for the bluenoses.
However, our first League game was against Wolves.
Who did we beat in the final of the Birmingham Senior Cup, when we won our first trophy?
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If there is to be a commemorative game, the obvious choice would be the first FA cup final that Villa played in 1887: the opponents were the Bitters. I think this would be both appropriate for reflecting the heritage of the club and also a good poke in the eye for the bluenoses.
However, our first League game was against Wolves.
Who did we beat in the final of the Birmingham Senior Cup, when we won our first trophy?
Saltley College.
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Thought about this last summer, and my 'wishlist' included
- An excellent manager, and competitive team on the pitch. (done)
- A piece of silverware in 2023/24 or 2024/25, preferably the FA Cup. (looks possible)
- A new and round badge. (was done)
- New North Stand. (on its way)
- A Lion Rampant, as was on the old Trinity, being re-introduced. (probably unlikely)
- Really nice, traditional home and away kits, and a third that is modelled on one of our earliest shirts e.g. similar to what Hearts have done. (we'll see)
- A couple of 'celebration' friendlies against top sides we've faced in Europe e.g. Inter Milan and/or Barcelona. (should be easier now with UE)
And lastly, a bumper '150th Anniversary' paper edition of H&V so Dave W can add to his hefty bank balance. Seriously though, I'd likely buy a few copies.
May as well forget the kits if Castore is still making them.
What a fucking waste.
This is a job for Umbro. They'd absolutely smash it.
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Please, anything but Bayern Munich.
Why?
Can't think of that many fixtures that we could have, where it's something relatively meaningful to us and would be seen as a 'special occasion'. The club has had two, maybe three, really dominant periods in it's history. 1880s-1900s, late 70s/early 80s, and .. well, I'm not sure there are any others. So you're really looking at clubs like Preston/Albion/Sunderland/Everton for the earlier period ... although I'd not have thought any of those would be a big draw ... or Ipswich, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, maybe Everton again from the latter period.
I don't see as we have much option. Bayern Munich and Barcelona are comfortably the biggest clubs (current size) we've beaten a proper final, and of those Bayern Munich was comfortably the bigger occasion.
Because all we ever seem to talk about is 198bloody2 and because why would Bayern want to play us?
Agreed.
Of what's realistic I'd like the badge to be changed and sorted once and for all.
As above I don't give a shit about kits now as Castore will be doing them.
Plenty of time to think about what the club could do.
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I don’t really get the idea of a commemorative game, it is just another friendly.
What about bringing out a shirt made of cotton intheright colours to a traditional design with a lion rampant.
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I don’t really get the idea of a commemorative game, it is just another friendly.
What about bringing out a shirt made of cotton intheright colours to a traditional design with a lion rampant.
I concur
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I don’t really get the idea of a commemorative game, it is just another friendly.
What about bringing out a shirt made of cotton intheright colours to a traditional design with a lion rampant.
i'd like a special kit design to commemorate and give a nod to the very first shirt design. Lets hope Castore are nowhere near this
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I don’t really get the idea of a commemorative game, it is just another friendly.
What about bringing out a shirt made of cotton intheright colours to a traditional design with a lion rampant.
I agree with Colin.
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I don’t really get the idea of a commemorative game, it is just another friendly.
What about bringing out a shirt made of cotton intheright colours to a traditional design with a lion rampant.
I agree with Colin.
Mr Al Gooch to you.
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Shirt with 150 years & the honours list incorporated in the design would be good.
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Shirt with 150 years & the honours list incorporated in the design would be good.
Not for me, think it would be a bit tacky, as well as out of date by the season's end.
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And 150 stars on the left of the new lion, which will give the impression that he is giving an explosive fartwork display in celebration.
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replica of the original shirt. No sponsor.
Manufactured by Luke
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And 150 stars on the left of the new lion, which will give the impression that he is giving an explosive fartwork display in celebration.
German James' hippo badge, but facing the wrong way (so you can see it's arse), with 150 fart stars coming out. That's the badge for me.
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If there is to be a commemorative game, the obvious choice would be the first FA cup final that Villa played in 1887: the opponents were the Bitters. I think this would be both appropriate for reflecting the heritage of the club and also a good poke in the eye for the bluenoses.
However, our first League game was against Wolves.
Who did we beat in the final of the Birmingham Senior Cup, when we won our first trophy?
Saltley College.
I knew that.
And I attended Saltley College (St Peter's College Of Education) from '72 - '75!