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Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: maidstonevillain on June 02, 2023, 09:36:47 PM
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A quite big season of athletics ahead. So thought a new Athletics thread was justified.
Just dipped into tonight's Diamond League (Florence). Specifically to watch Asher-Smith (W100m) and Laura Muir (W1500m).
Asher-Smith pulled out just before the start. Not for the first time. An affliction she seems to have in common with her fellow school alumni, Emma Raducanu.
Muir was a distant second.
The winner did smash the World Record however.
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Great story
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/65949718
To a degree I can liken it a bit to myself.
I was a very quick rugby player and did athletics for the fire service, PB of 10.4.
I was asked a few times to try out for an athletics club, but never followed it up.
Not saying I’d have pulled those times out, though
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This is well worth a watch..
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This is well worth a watch..
Flippin heck, he must have been touching 90-100m adrift at the start of the final lap.
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This is well worth a watch..
Flippin heck, he must have been touching 90-100m adrift at the start of the final lap.
Wow, that's amazing. He ran it like a 400m race.
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Some big stories in the athletics in the last week or so.
Mens 400m hurdles - Warholm looks like he's gone up a level, I reckon he'll get the world record this summer.
Mens 100m - Christie's record has gone after 30 years, Zarnell Hughes currently with the best time in the world this year at 9.83
Then there's this from the europeans in Poland - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/athletics/66010470 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/athletics/66010470) - I love everything about that, credit to her for doing it, for being clearly pleased to be there, for all the photographers and comms not being twats about her and for the fantastic touch of putting it as a seasons best on the overlay. I love it when you get things like this in sport.
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Some big stories in the athletics in the last week or so.
Mens 400m hurdles - Warholm looks like he's gone up a level, I reckon he'll get the world record this summer.
Mens 100m - Christie's record has gone after 30 years, Zarnell Hughes currently with the best time in the world this year at 9.83
Then there's this from the europeans in Poland - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/athletics/66010470 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/athletics/66010470) - I love everything about that, credit to her for doing it, for being clearly pleased to be there, for all the photographers and comms not being twats about her and for the fantastic touch of putting it as a seasons best on the overlay. I love it when you get things like this in sport.
That’s brilliant, mate
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Faith Kipyegon just broke then World Record for the mile running it in 4.07:64 at the Monaco Diamond League meet.
Ciara Mageean finished 2nd and broke Sonia O'Sullivan's Irish record. Everyone in the race either broke a national record or ran a PB.
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Mondo Duplantis was uncharacteristically out of form in the pole vault tonight.
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Mondo Duplantis was uncharacteristically out of form in the pole vault tonight.
I think you mean Timothée Chalamet. :)
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Mondo Duplantis was uncharacteristically out of form in the pole vault tonight.
I think you mean Timothée Chalamet. :)
It hadn't occurred to me how much they look alike but now you mention it...
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Faith Kipyegon just broke then World Record for the mile running it in 4.07:64 at the Monaco Diamond League meet.
Ciara Mageean finished 2nd and broke Sonia O'Sullivan's Irish record. Everyone in the race either broke a national record or ran a PB.
Faith Kipyegon just broke then World Record for the mile running it in 4.07:64 at the Monaco Diamond League meet.
Ciara Mageean finished 2nd and broke Sonia O'Sullivan's Irish record. Everyone in the race either broke a national record or ran a PB.
Incredible race. Despite, as Cram said -"the others have finished a mile behind", the first 8 (including Muir and Courtney-Bryant) now populate the 18 fastest times of all time.
Kipyegon obliterated the World record by 5 secs. And when she crossed the line she looked as if could have continued and done it again. This is on top of smashing the 1500m and 3000m World records in the last few weeks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/66272997
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KJT takes the gold in the worlds, fabulous performance from her, brilliant 800m run from her.
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A good bronze for Hughes after the gold earlier.
Just giving them their medal trackside immediately after the race seems a but rubbish though.
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A good bronze for Hughes after the gold earlier.
Just giving them their medal trackside immediately after the race seems a but rubbish though.
I was surprised by this considering it's the 2nd most notable medal they could achieve in the sport. I wonder if the athletes really care, though? Genuinely intrigued if they're bothered or not by the ceremony.
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KJT takes the gold in the worlds, fabulous performance from her, brilliant 800m run from her.
Yeah delighted for her, especially after the injuries she's had. She's 30 now, so Paris will maybe the last chance she will have of getting an Olympic gold.
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I was very impressed with KJT yesterday. We have been spoilt with the quality of our heptathletes over the last 30 years
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A good bronze for Hughes after the gold earlier.
Just giving them their medal trackside immediately after the race seems a but rubbish though.
I was surprised by this considering it's the 2nd most notable medal they could achieve in the sport. I wonder if the athletes really care, though? Genuinely intrigued if they're bothered or not by the ceremony.
I guess it might depend where it is. If a home country athlete wins ( which may be quite rare ) I imagine a medal ceremony in front of home fans is amazing. But you might be right, in Budapest and a half empty stadium ( as they're often at early times ) then maybe not
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Winner of the Womens 100m Final comes from lane 9, which doesn't happen too often, American Carri Richardson. Dina Asher Smith finished well down the field.
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KJT takes the gold in the worlds, fabulous performance from her, brilliant 800m run from her.
Yeah delighted for her, especially after the injuries she's had. She's 30 now, so Paris will maybe the last chance she will have of getting an Olympic gold.
I was very happy for her, what a result!
Hope the Olympics will be a similar outcome. Fantastically well done, Katarina!
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Just giving them their medal trackside immediately after the race seems a but rubbish though.
I was surprised by this considering it's the 2nd most notable medal they could achieve in the sport. I wonder if the athletes really care, though? Genuinely intrigued if they're bothered or not by the ceremony.
They give them out at the track but also have a medal ceremony later at what Steve Cram described an impressive facility. Not sure what that entails compared to having the ceremony in the stadium. If I'd won a medal I'd definitely want to see the tricolour raised and hear my national anthem.
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Just giving them their medal trackside immediately after the race seems a but rubbish though.
I was surprised by this considering it's the 2nd most notable medal they could achieve in the sport. I wonder if the athletes really care, though? Genuinely intrigued if they're bothered or not by the ceremony.
They give them out at the track but also have a medal ceremony later at what Steve Cram described an impressive facility. Not sure what that entails compared to having the ceremony in the stadium. If I'd won a medal I'd definitely want to see the tricolour raised and hear my national anthem.
If the UK had a better national anthem I would be more inclined to agree with you but it's wank so I'm not as fussed. Didn't know that about the ceremony.
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I really like Land of Hope and Glory in the CG
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Laura Muir a disappointing 6th in the 1500m final, Katie Snowden 8th.
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Wow what a win in the 1500m!! Id not heard of him before either !
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Josh Kerr. Gold.
Where did that come from!
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Turned over after the match and it's been hugely entertaining
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The pole vault was great. And a really nice moment to share the title
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Josh Kerr. Gold.
Where did that come from!
A fellow Villa fans reaction.
https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/1694465950811124102?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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I’m really enjoying the BBC coverage of the World Championships in Budapest. Highlights today so far are the interview with Seb Coe about the future of world competitive athletics, Josh Kerr and Matthew Hudson-Smith's medal ceremonies and the Jeanette Kwakye interview with Keely Hodgkinson.
I’ve been off the sofa cheering this week, during several heats, semifinals and of course the finals, as well!
Well done, Budapest.
Any chance of Birmingham hosting this? I reckon after the hugely successful Commonwealth Games it would be the next step for the national athletics centre for the UK!
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Keely wins her semi, very comfortably, looking good for Sunday.
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Lovely bit of weaving from Reekie to win her semi too
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I'm enjoying these championships very much, I like that the events come thick and fast, and everything about the venue looks great. In terms of the athletics, I much prefer the world championships to the Olympics.
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I'm enjoying these championships very much, I like that the events come thick and fast, and everything about the venue looks great. In terms of the athletics, I much prefer the world championships to the Olympics.
The olympics is clearly a bigger event but, as with many of the sports, the more focused nature of the worlds does give it a different feel.
I haven't watched as much of the worlds as I'd like but it has been excellent when I've had chance to catch it.
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I'm enjoying these championships very much, I like that the events come thick and fast, and everything about the venue looks great. In terms of the athletics, I much prefer the world championships to the Olympics.
Yeah, I've really been enjoying them for much the same reasons. Agree the the stadium looks great, and it probably helps that they're only an hour ahead so perfect for early evening viewing.
The women's 200m final was another good race with Jackson blowing away the field. Probably about to be replicated by Lyles in the men's.
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Gutted for Hughes, just didn't quite have the extra gear in the last 50, still nice to have a genuine world-class sprinter for the UK again and hopefully he can push on again ahead of Paris next year.
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Wow, Jackson has completely dominated the 200, what a race!
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Gutted for Hughes, just didn't quite have the extra gear in the last 50, still nice to have a genuine world-class sprinter for the UK again and hopefully he can push on again ahead of Paris next year.
He wasn’t that far off the finishers, so that should be possible, we hope!
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I’m really enjoying the BBC coverage of the World Championships in Budapest.
Have had to be careful (for betting purposes) of them showing races delayed when said races have coincided with their many channel changes. Actually may have made 100 quid because of that yesterday as there was some sitting duck money on Betfair at the end of the men's 800 semi they showed delayed and I had remembered to switch to Eurosport.
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Well done, charlatan, someone must have gone to sleep, there!
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7.45 Women's 800m, come on Keely, her main rivals for the gold are probably gonna be Athing Mu of the USA and Mary Moraa of Kenya, also good luck to Jemma Reekie.
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The race of the Championships as far as I am concerned. A bit concerned the incessant very hot weather throughout the week may have taken it out of the Brits a bit. Also impressed with the way Mu recovered from a stumble in the semis.
But my prediction.
1) Keely Hodgkinson.
2) Mary Moraa
3) Athing Mu
4) Jemma Reekie
About 1.55
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Gutted for Keely, but a silver is still a great achievement, here's hoping she goes one better next year.
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Brilliant final leg in the Women's 4x400m by Femke Bol
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Brilliant final leg in the Women's 4x400m by Femke Bol
Yes, it was great to see the Dutch win it, and Bol seems a very likeable athlete so pleased for her.
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Brilliant final leg in the Women's 4x400m by Femke Bol
One of the best comebacks I’ve ever seen. Femke is a real tough athlete
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British Olympic athlete was supplied with banned drugs by US therapist. https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/67733746
I wonder if it's the little fella who made the famous slacks.
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He failed to make the Olympics that year. Don't think the description fits, although technically there is no UK team...
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World indoors Glasgow.
Brilliant night. Almost another Super Saturday.
Gold for Josh Kerr - 3000m
Gold for Molly Caudery - Pole Vault. The new Golden girl of British Athletics.
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World indoors Glasgow.
Brilliant night. Almost another Super Saturday.
Gold for Josh Kerr - 3000m
Gold for Molly Caudery - Pole Vault. The new Golden girl of British Athletics.
Caudery is going to be very special, her technique is exceptional and I reckon she'll break 5m in the next 18months.
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Phoebe Gill. She looks a bit special.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/c51nw1jqwd7o
On the same night, in Doha, Mary Moraa, the World Champion, and Gemma Reekie, in a quite high quality field, in a paced Diamond League race, were not as fast.
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Ireland win the first mixed 4 x 400m relay gold at the European Championships.
https://x.com/KieranMcC_SS/status/1799177177474470251
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Ireland win the first mixed 4 x 400m relay gold at the European Championships.
https://x.com/KieranMcC_SS/status/1799177177474470251
That's fantastic. Well done Ireland.
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I see George Mills, son of former footballer Danny Mills, is running very far and quite fast at the European Championships.
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Ciara Mageean wins the 1500m, Georgia Bell in second place for the UK.
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Well done Dina Asher Smith winning gold in the 100m.
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I see George Mills, son of former footballer Danny Mills, is running very far and quite fast at the European Championships.
Seems more like not that far at all and very fast to me
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I see George Mills, son of former footballer Danny Mills, is running very far and quite fast at the European Championships.
Karren Brady was pleased to see that Dean Smith's daughter won the 100m.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McGrath_(racewalker)
Was checking out results and came across this example of blasphemy
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Stick a "#" after your link, mate.
Eg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McGrath_(racewalker)#
As opposed to...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McGrath_(racewalker)
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Ta
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I just can’t get excited about these biennial Euros that clash with Olympic year, what were European Athletics thinking. Just a blatant cash in for the money. Go back to every 4 years imv.
At least Brum in 26 will be the proper version.
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The Olympics should move, IMO. 776 BCE was the first one, there is no year zero... so stands to reason they should be in odd years, now. When Tokyo was delayed by a year, that was the ideal opportunity to correct it and start having them in the proper year.
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I just can’t get excited about these biennial Euros that clash with Olympic year, what were European Athletics thinking. Just a blatant cash in for the money. Go back to every 4 years imv.
At least Brum in 26 will be the proper version.
I thought it was to keep up with the World Championships because there could be two editions of the Worlds in between editions of the European Championships. For example there were European Championships in 2002 and then World Championships in 2003 and 2005 before the next Euros in 2006.
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I just can’t get excited about these biennial Euros that clash with Olympic year, what were European Athletics thinking. Just a blatant cash in for the money. Go back to every 4 years imv.
At least Brum in 26 will be the proper version.
I thought it was to keep up with the World Championships because there could be two editions of the Worlds in between editions of the European Championships. For example there were European Championships in 2002 and then World Championships in 2003 and 2005 before the next Euros in 2006.
The IAAF Another governing body cashing in by going biennial. If I was an athlete I’d tell them to piss off. We only need one version of each major championships every 4 years. It used to be great back in the day, Euros, Worlds, Olympics then a fallow year for setting World Records.
And yes I’m an old fart.
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Silver for the Irish women's 4x400 at the European Championships. Best European Championships we've ever had, I think?
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Ireland finish second to the Netherlands in the women's 4 x 400m. What a race though, 2nd to 6th places finished within 1.5 secs of the Dutch.
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Ireland finish second to the Netherlands in the women's 4 x 400m. What a race though, 2nd to 6th places finished within 1.5 secs of the Dutch.
I wonder if Mawdesley didn't have to run the heat yesterday would she have pipped the Dutch girl at the end? But then again if she hadn't run it maybe we wouldn't have made the final.
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Ireland finish second to the Netherlands in the women's 4 x 400m. What a race though, 2nd to 6th places finished within 1.5 secs of the Dutch.
I wonder if Mawdesley didn't have to run the heat yesterday would she have pipped the Dutch girl at the end? But then again if she hadn't run it maybe we wouldn't have made the final.
Possibly, but the Dutch are World Champions and were firm favourites. Silver and a new national record by 2 secs is a good night's work.
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Briliant from Keely Hodgkinson winning 800m gold, hopefully gold next in Paris.
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Don't know of any TV coverage, so here it is.
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Hodgkinson is a special talent.
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Ireland finish second to the Netherlands in the women's 4 x 400m. What a race though, 2nd to 6th places finished within 1.5 secs of the Dutch.
I wonder if Mawdesley didn't have to run the heat yesterday would she have pipped the Dutch girl at the end? But then again if she hadn't run it maybe we wouldn't have made the final.
No chance. Femke Bol is streets ahead. She was toying with the rest of the field.
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There are some athletes getting to a level which could fill the marketing void left by Usain Bolt. Femke Bolt, Mondo Duplantis, Gianmarco Tamberi and maybe Mutaz Barshim, although him and Tamberi might be a bit too old in the long term.
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There are some athletes getting to a level which could fill the marketing void left by Usain Bolt. Femke Bolt, Mondo Duplantis, Gianmarco Tamberi and maybe Mutaz Barshim, although him and Tamberi might be a bit too old in the long term.
Womens 800m is the most exciting event for me, 3 genuinely world class runners in Hodgkinson, Mu and Moraa who are all young enough to be around for the next or even 3 olympics after this. I suspect that competition will drive them to some pretty spectacular races, it's the big one this summer for me.
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There are some athletes getting to a level which could fill the marketing void left by Usain Bolt. Femke Bolt, Mondo Duplantis, Gianmarco Tamberi and maybe Mutaz Barshim, although him and Tamberi might be a bit too old in the long term.
Womens 800m is the most exciting event for me, 3 genuinely world class runners in Hodgkinson, Mu and Moraa who are all young enough to be around for the next or even 3 olympics after this. I suspect that competition will drive them to some pretty spectacular races, it's the big one this summer for me.
Can they get close to that bloke Kratochvilovas record though?
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There are some athletes getting to a level which could fill the marketing void left by Usain Bolt. Femke Bolt, Mondo Duplantis, Gianmarco Tamberi and maybe Mutaz Barshim, although him and Tamberi might be a bit too old in the long term.
Womens 800m is the most exciting event for me, 3 genuinely world class runners in Hodgkinson, Mu and Moraa who are all young enough to be around for the next or even 3 olympics after this. I suspect that competition will drive them to some pretty spectacular races, it's the big one this summer for me.
Can they get close to that bloke Kratochvilovas record though?
Mu and Hodgkinson are both in the top 10 and still years away from their peak.
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There are some athletes getting to a level which could fill the marketing void left by Usain Bolt. Femke Bolt, Mondo Duplantis, Gianmarco Tamberi and maybe Mutaz Barshim, although him and Tamberi might be a bit too old in the long term.
Womens 800m is the most exciting event for me, 3 genuinely world class runners in Hodgkinson, Mu and Moraa who are all young enough to be around for the next or even 3 olympics after this. I suspect that competition will drive them to some pretty spectacular races, it's the big one this summer for me.
Can they get close to that bloke Kratochvilovas record though?
Mu and Hodgkinson are both in the top 10 and still years away from their peak.
I thought at one time both of them will eventually do it. But I'm beginning to think another 2 seconds is a lot to find.
May be they will get overtaken by Phoebe Gill.
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Molly Caudery again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cgllv872g18o
1:56 and a bit in.
4.92m. Improved her PB by 6cm. National Record. Highest vault in World since 2021. Now the 7th vaulter on all time World list.
She had one attempt at 5.0m. And it wasn't far away. (About 2:01 in)
And this was on a temporary pole vault set up in Toulouse town square, in blustery and rainy conditions.
If the pole vault wasn't such a fickle event, she would have to be GBs best bet for a Paris Gold.
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Best chances of GB individual Olympic Gold in Athletics I would say are, Keely Hodgkinson, Dina Asher Smith, Molly Caudery, Katerina Johnson Thompson and Josh Kerr.
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Wouldn't disagree with that, but I would also throw in Zharnel Hughes and Hudson-Smith.
Hodgkinson is the stand-out GB athlete, but she's got some tough competition for the gold, although what condition Mu is in is an unknown. Asher-Smith and KJT are past their best, and also have tough competition, although KJT should be good enough for at least a bronze. Asher-Smith lost her best years by sticking with an out of date coach. The same can probably be said for Muir.
Advantage Caudery has is that she appears to be almost untouchable at the moment. But things can very easily go wrong in the pole vault.
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I don't see any way in which Dina wins gold. If anything I don't think she will get a medal of any colour, not outside of a relay.
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Wouldn't disagree with that, but I would also throw in Zharnel Hughes and Hudson-Smith.
Hodgkinson is the stand-out GB athlete, but she's got some tough competition for the gold, although what condition Mu is in is an unknown. Asher-Smith and KJT are past their best, and also have tough competition, although KJT should be good enough for at least a bronze. Asher-Smith lost her best years by sticking with an out of date coach. The same can probably be said for Muir.
Advantage Caudery has is that she appears to be almost untouchable at the moment. But things can very easily go wrong in the pole vault.
Reekie's chance of a medal has improved dramatically. Athing Mu falls in USA Olympic trials.
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Yaroslava Mahuchikh has broken the 37 year old women's world high jump record - it now stands at 2.10m
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Yaroslava Mahuchikh has broken the 37 year old women's world high jump record - it now stands at 2.10m
I feel it's also worth mentioning that she's absolutely gorgeous.
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The 1500m is worth watching too. Kipyegon broke the World Record again. But Jessica Hull of Australia, who is also gorgeous, ran her close until the last 200m, and improved her pb and the National Record by 5 secs. Laura Muir was a distant third, and set a new British Record.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cl4y13kv3d6o
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Keely in great form, ran 1 min 54.61 yesterday, the fastest women's 800m since 2018.
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Keely in great form, ran 1 min 54.61 yesterday, the fastest women's 800m since 2018.
That depends on how you categorise Caster Semenya.
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Keely in great form, ran 1 min 54.61 yesterday, the fastest women's 800m since 2018.
Found the montage the BBC showed at the end of the programme last night which interspersed footage of her winning the gold medal with her running as a junior quite moving.
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But Jessica Hull of Australia, who is also gorgeous, ran her close until the last 200m
Each to their own, but in my opinion, she looks like 80s Scouse pop sensation Sonia.
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A couple of World records at the Diamond League.
Ingebrigtsen showing some real class, which makes you wonder what happened at the Olympics.
Duplatis adds another cm to the pole vault. He looks as if he could go much higher, too. I was told that he only adds a cm at an event as each time he breaks it he get a massive bonus 💰
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Yep, superb run by Ingebritsen.
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Going back to the 2012 Olympics
I vaguely remember the ‘not competing on a level playing field’ interview
Didn’t realise it had got this bad
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cewlqxkn5x8o
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When you get "stripped of a medal", do they actually send someone round to your house to collect it? What happens if you say you've lost it? Or do they just keep making new medals?
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Going back to the 2012 Olympics
I vaguely remember the ‘not competing on a level playing field’ interview
Didn’t realise it had got this bad
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cewlqxkn5x8o
"The Russian middle-distance runner, now 49, was on Tuesday stripped of the silver medal she won in that event, as well as being banned from the sport for 10 years."
That'll larn her!
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When you get "stripped of a medal", do they actually send someone round to your house to collect it? What happens if you say you've lost it? Or do they just keep making new medals?
I’d guess it would need to be returned. But, as you say, what if they say it’s been lost?
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Going back to the 2012 Olympics
I vaguely remember the ‘not competing on a level playing field’ interview
Didn’t realise it had got this bad
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cewlqxkn5x8o
"The Russian middle-distance runner, now 49, was on Tuesday stripped of the silver medal she won in that event, as well as being banned from the sport for 10 years."
That'll larn her!
I had to double take her age, 37 at the time, so no spring chicken then.
In a way it’s quite funny, she finishes 4th, by cheating, two cheats in front get caught and she gets the silver. It catches up with her when she thinks she’s go away with it
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It's historical cheats like that which disgust me the most. They gave not only won medals which should have gone to clean athletes but doing that they also denied them years of funding and earnings. Basically they have stolen the careers anf futures of others.
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When you get "stripped of a medal", do they actually send someone round to your house to collect it? What happens if you say you've lost it? Or do they just keep making new medals?
They are told to hand the medals back. Although some recipients do conveniently "lose" them.
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It appears Richard Kilty got through the Olympic 4×100M heats with a torn achilles.
https://x.com/RKilty1/status/1838251216612020248?t=m7E5uipO6kgzUDa47lUL3A&s=19
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c05p5md9gzlo
Corporate Manslaughter charges.