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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Jon Crofts on February 18, 2023, 02:36:29 PM
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11 goals in 3 games conceded.
8 in 2 games at home.
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Hopefully once Carlos isback in we'll be better but we really need defenders.
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It's a game of two halves played by twenty-two gentlemen where Villa play only ever play one.
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The script we all know and hate, but never seem to escape from, like a recurring nightmare. I’ve lost count of the number of times over the years we’ve gone ahead in these kind of games but lost in dramatic last minute fashion.
We are conceding too many chances and the way Emery wants us to play seems too technically advanced for the defenders we have. All of them suspect when under pressure to some degree, Konsa is completely inept at what he is being asked to do.
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Defence is crap. Mings and Konsa are an absolute nightmare at times, and I long for the day they aren't in the starting eleven.
Martinez behaves like a fucking baby all game. Grow up and stop time wasting.
Doesn't seem to matter who is our manager. The end product appears to be on repeat.
Fucking hell
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Utter wank. Any chance of Martinez making another save for us before he fucks off to win the Champions League.
Trust the process? Fuck off.
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The best and worst in the one game.
I think Mings, Konsa, Cash and Martinez will be gone in the summer.
Total rebuild at the back for me.
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"We want attacking football! Just entertain us!"
[turns out to be risky]
"Fock's sake Villa bunch of drips"
Look, it's not good enough, but we did just play the top two in the league and ran one of them right to the wire. If it's building towards something I can live with it. If it doesn't, well, we've been there before.
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3 on the bounce, 11 conceded, role on the summer and get the defence sorted
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Dissapointed in Emery after that. We allowed them too double up on us on the wings all through the second half and we allowed them to have free men on the edge of our box all through the second half. We seem to be incapable of learning from previous mistakes, their 2-2 equaliser was a carbon copy of the Stevenage winner and we had the customary fucking about at the back from Konsa. if we want to play out from the back then we need a whole new defence because none of the current lot are capable.
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Nice of Mings to celebrate his new contract in his time honoured way.
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And yes, the so called shit housing from Martinez is getting really boring. Waste time, they just fucking add it on at the end when there's even more pressure.
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The most Villa thing ever is to get rid of our main striker, cope admirably up front relatively speaking only for the defence to turn to absolute shit in three games.
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The softest of underbellies in the division. We always crumble under pressure. Never score late winners. Lack concentration and composure and seem to exist to give very, very average players immense amounts of money or retirement funds without ever showing any real improvement. Shit result, shit defending, shit mentality. As usual.
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Entertaining game, played well and had chances to win the match.
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So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
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And yes, the so called shit housing from Martinez is getting really boring. Waste time, they just fucking add it on at the end when there's even more pressure.
He’s an embarrassment.
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Can't wait until the window opens and we can sign some players who aren't piss weak fanny flaps.
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Why are we so ducking soft? Unai better get some points onboard before we are sucked into relegation mire.
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Can we stop reiterating how many goals and losses we've attained over the past three games.Once was enough
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Seemingly doesn't matter what manager we have, we remain soft and panicky at the back.
Eleven goals conceded in three games is appalling. Eight at home in just two games. No matter the manner of conceding those goals, the manager does not get a pass just because he is Emery.
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Went for a walk on 60 mins expecting at least a point when I came back. Didn't expect a repeat of the Lesta scoreline, well pissed off with that capitulation.
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"We want attacking football! Just entertain us!"
[turns out to be risky]
"Fock's sake Villa bunch of drips"
Look, it's not good enough, but we did just play the top two in the league and ran one of them right to the wire. If it's building towards something I can live with it. If it doesn't, well, we've been there before.
This is what happens when you expect different things from the same mostly shit team. Having a manager who could organise a defence would be nice though.
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Martinez fully to blame for that predictable defeat with his pathetic time wasting antics. I even got the correct score right.
I'll resume the 4-2 punts for Chelsea on April Fools' Day. How fitting!
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Back to front we're just not good enough v these type of teams.
Arsenal played 2-3 forward passes and were straight on the edge of the box time and again.
If we had four CMs on the pitch at one time we have to be better at positioning and sticking toes in to try to stop the ball getting towards the box.
I assumed when we put Ramsey on he'd just do a similar job to McGinn but Saka was basically one v one against Moreno for much of the second half which should not be happening with the shape we had on the pitch.
As soon as it went 2-2 we were basically clinging onto the point bar the odd counter attack. Again which team had a free week yet were second to pretty much all the 50/50s?
Feels like season over now. We'll win a couple shortly to get to mid 30s and pretty much safety but we have to start expecting a bit more eventually yet the club just dosen't look like it has it in regardless of who's in the pitch or dugout.
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So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
It's possible to admire his ability and deplore his shithousing. Not at fault for the goals today, IMHO, but karma comes around eventually.
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We can score but we’re too much of a soft touch. Can ignore the 4th, but the other 3 were down to a mix of poor errors and just being too slow to close down. We have got to stop conceding so many goals.
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Same old story on repeat forever. The football equivalent of head butting a wall over and over again.
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And a manager who's won Europa Leagues plural with innovative, defence-first football now can't organise a defence?
So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
It's possible to admire his ability and deplore his shithousing. Not at fault for the goals today, IMHO, but karma comes around eventually.
Sure, but it seems new to me, we seem to love it when the result goes our way.
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And yes, the so called shit housing from Martinez is getting really boring. Waste time, they just fucking add it on at the end when there's even more pressure.
This, this and this.
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Our defence is shit. They cannot defend. They cannot play out from the back either. They are not fit for purpose.
The rest of the team is average - below average at best.
If Emery is going to insist on playing to a style that does not fit our players, then we are going to lose more often than not. If the players don't fit the system, change the fucking system. Otherwise, you are being shit at your job.
And the fact that Mings has been given a new contract concerns me because it says that he is in the long term plans of the club. Which, despite all of the PR crafted positivity bullshit, shows the owners ambitions. Which concerns me.
I am sick to the back teeth of this shit. And I am sick to the back teeth of officials cowering when they make a mistake against one of the media favourite clubs. They inevitably fuck over the next team they play, which is usually us. The fact that Saka did not get a red, twice, is an absolute fucking disgrace.
And that for me, shows how corrupt & utterly pointless playing football in this country is. The whole system is designed to keep the status quo because they make lots of money for the wankers who ruin the game.
Just absolutely sick to the back fucking teeth of the whole thing...
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For me today wasn't the fault of defence or Martinez but our near non-existent midfield. We couldn't get a grip on the game at all and then it's their game, however they want to play it.
Ramsay didn't add a thing, I don't want to lose patience with him but, I'm being eroded. Kamara had some neat touches but didn't boss the game. Luiz was busy but unable to stem the tide. McGinn the same. We're so midtable.
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The time wasting doesn’t seem to help with any of our own momentum especially with 25 minutes to go
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Sure, but it seems new to me, we seem to love it when the result goes our way.
I can only speak for myself in saying that I don't love it at all.
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Martinez fully to blame for that predictable defeat with his pathetic time wasting antics. I even got the correct score right.
I'll resume the 4-2 punts for Chelsea on April Fools' Day. How fitting!
"Martinez fully to blame..."
What are you going on about? He literally wasn't to blame for any of the goals bar the last one but that happens.
Mings the first, everyone can't defend corners the second, 3rd a fluke. Strange comment.
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The most annoying thing about the result is that Arsenal were nothing special. It was a self inflicted defeat.
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The most annoying thing about the result is that Arsenal were nothing special. It was a self inflicted defeat.
Yeah, this is it. Fuck I hate Arsenal fans.
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Sure, but it seems new to me, we seem to love it when the result goes our way.
I can only speak for myself in saying that I don't love it at all.
Fair enough, I just suspect that there's more than a hint of inconsistency knocking about this here football forum, if such a thing can be believed.
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I've got no problem with time wasting, everyone does it and he's helped us win points with it before. It's about killing momentum of the other team.
Look at us against Man City last season when they scored 3 in about 30 seconds. If the keeper takes his time, gets cramp, gets the physio on, then that doesn't happen.
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Yeah Martinez isn’t to blame, what a load of old bollocks. The first goal is just a basic mistake, but the 2nd and 3rd do have a root cause - we are far too slow to react and shut players down. That has got to be improved.
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With all the substitutions, I think it was obvious that Emery was having a look with the players and wanted to give them his trust so they could participate in the game.
Trying them all out and judging a player's performance in gaming scenarios and how they cope.
It's a very bad score because there were many competitive, exciting performances, and it was wonderful to watch football goal.
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We are now conceding for fun at the back and not scoring enough. Could we get sucked into it?
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The most annoying thing about the result is that Arsenal were nothing special. It was a self inflicted defeat.
But far better than us overall
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On the whole, given the personnel of the two teams, we got the tactics right. The game could have gone either way and they had the crucial bit of luck at the end. Hugely annoying that this kind of luck goes against us, seemingly, quite often BUT keep the faith, this luck will go for us at some point too.
Right, now I'm off to stand in the garden and roar at the sky for a while.
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The time wasting doesn’t seem to help with any of our own momentum especially with 25 minutes to go
This, this and this.
Martinez is also sending out the message to the rest of our players that he doesn't think they are good enough, emboldens the opposition and gives them plenty of time to get back in shape.
This has to stop or at least be moderated.
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A good portion of the players have been here for what is approaching a 3rd season now and we've never really broken in to the top 10. Which tells you something. Against better side we simply are nowhere near good enough and are too easy to score against. 38 goals in just 23 games. 41 defeats in 85 games with the base of the team being the same players. A near 50% lose ratio shows they simply aren't good enough.
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And a manager who's won Europa Leagues plural with innovative, defence-first football now can't organise a defence?
So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
It's possible to admire his ability and deplore his shithousing. Not at fault for the goals today, IMHO, but karma comes around eventually.
Sure, but it seems new to me, we seem to love it when the result goes our way.
Exactly
My guess is there were no complaints at 2-1.
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Hopefully once Carlos isback in we'll be better but we really need defenders.
I thought the fullbacks were o.k tbh. Played their parts in our two goals and used the ball fine.
Konsa-Mings just makes too many basic errors that lead to goals and chances v this type of opposition and we've known it for nearly three years. That combination would've been broken up but for a serious injury in August and we certainly won't be playing those two together next August.
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We are now conceding for fun at the back and not scoring enough. Could we get sucked into it?
I doubt it. Yes Leicester wasn’t great, but they are flying, and we’ve just played the top two. Against other teams we’ll have more than enough, because we can score goals. But we’re not going to make material progress until we start being much more stable at the back. On that point, I like Moreno going forward but he gets caught wrong side/out of position a lot when defending. Teams will target that if he doesn’t improve.
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The most Villa thing ever is to get rid of our main striker, cope admirably up front relatively speaking only for the defence to turn to absolute shit in three games.
Can they do that though? If the ball is ‘in play’ i.e. in his hands, can they add time? Personally I hate the tactic but any gain is negligible if they just add it on at the end.
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Sure, but it seems new to me, we seem to love it when the result goes our way.
I can only speak for myself in saying that I don't love it at all.
Fair enough, I just suspect that there's more than a hint of inconsistency knocking about this here football forum, if such a thing can be believed.
As ever! I've never been a massive fan off the time wasting either. It just seems to have gone into a whole new level this last 6 months. Literally every game he's either being booked or nearly getting booked. Today I felt it was detrimental to our mentality, reinforcing the feeling that we were just clinging on against the bog boys. It invited pressure in my view, rather than allaying it.
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Think I watched a different game. Thought first half we were excellent, went toe to toe with the best team in the league and maybe even shaded it. Second half they inevitably stepped up a gear but we defended really well for the majority. Odegaard’ sitter was basically their only real major chance in the second half. They get one huge slice of luck and win it.
Yes, there are things to improve on. Ball retention, concentration from short corners to name two but this was a good performance by and large. The hyperbole on here is utterly ridiculous
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What an absolute fucking chump that keeper is. His twattery quite literally rebounding on him today. Sure, take the piss a bit, but not when you’re letting in four goals a game.
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We are now conceding for fun at the back and not scoring enough. Could we get sucked into it?
No.
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We have some fans with pretty short memories.
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What an absolute fucking chump that keeper is. His twattery quite literally rebounding on him today. Sure, take the piss a bit, but not when you’re letting in four goals a game.
Maybe it's not his twattery that's rebounding to sender when it comes to the Villa.
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What an absolute fucking chump that keeper is. His twattery quite literally rebounding on him today. Sure, take the piss a bit, but not when you’re letting in four goals a game.
Correct. Imagine not comprehending that his constant time wasting adds up over 90+ minutes. That 5 or 6 minutes he's blatantly wasting could be used for attacking to try and score more goals than the opposition.
I don't even reply to them, lolz
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Martinez time wasting doesn't concede three goals. Only the last one you could say he was at fualt for but the game was obviously gone by then.
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What an absolute fucking chump that keeper is. His twattery quite literally rebounding on him today. Sure, take the piss a bit, but not when you’re letting in four goals a game.
Maybe it's not his twattery that's rebounding to sender when it comes to the Villa.
Absolutely. I have said it many times that Villa will pay for all of the shit-fuckery he has done with Argentina.
I swear to shit that we are cursed...
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Six minutes would've been added on anyway as Cash and Saka were down for a combined four minutes at start of second half.
Bemused by people having a go at him going up for the corner, they were 30 seconds left at that point!
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Another season where we are going to end up with a shit home record.
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Martinez time wasting doesn't concede three goals.
It doesn't seem to achieve anything beyond extending the match which makes me wonder why he's so keen on doing it.
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Their second goal looked too much like the Stevenage goal for me.
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How can you blame two wide open shots at the top of the box on the keeper..?!
We need better talent on the pitch, simple as that.
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Six minutes would've been added on anyway as Cash and Saka were down for a combined four minutes at start of second half.
Bemused by people having a go at him going up for the corner, they were 30 seconds left at that point!
It’s because people have to blame someone, and it’s just nonsense. Martinez is one of our best players, there are many issues that need to be addressed before you start blaming him.
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Martinez time wasting doesn't concede three goals.
It doesn't seem to achieve anything beyond extending the match which makes me wonder why he's so keen on doing it.
I think it's just done to break rhythm of opposition if they're getting plenty of corners etc. Then before you know it it's injury time and the other team will just be lumping balls into the box. Arsenal however got the quality and mentality just to keep playing the same way.
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I like that he had the courage and felt the need to make amends for their third goal by going up for the corner. Most other keepers would have meekly accepted it, laughed about it afterwards, etc. Martinez is the only world class player we have.
He timewastes because we're mostly shite in the other areas.
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This team annoys me so much. So frustrating. Constantly gifting shit goals. No spine in the team.
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Think I watched a different game. Thought first half we were excellent, went toe to toe with the best team in the league and maybe even shaded it. Second half they inevitably stepped up a gear but we defended really well for the majority. Odegaard’ sitter was basically their only real major chance in the second half. They get one huge slice of luck and win it.
Yes, there are things to improve on. Ball retention, concentration from short corners to name two but this was a good performance by and large. The hyperbole on here is utterly ridiculous
I'm in agreement with you.
I thought we did well against the best side in the league so far.
But it is just post game and there are some big knee jerk reactions as usual.
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We’ve had a core of these players here since we came up and have always finished bottom half. They simply aren’t good enough to go anywhere higher. The defending, well Sunday league level at best yet again.
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Think I watched a different game. Thought first half we were excellent, went toe to toe with the best team in the league and maybe even shaded it. Second half they inevitably stepped up a gear but we defended really well for the majority. Odegaard’ sitter was basically their only real major chance in the second half. They get one huge slice of luck and win it.
Yes, there are things to improve on. Ball retention, concentration from short corners to name two but this was a good performance by and large. The hyperbole on here is utterly ridiculous
I’m with you mate. I’m old enough to get pissed off with needless, season-wasting ocup exits, but I think we’ll be in great shape by the time the season starts in August.
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Emery had tightened us up - his biggest achievement - but it has gone to shit at our own end recently. The video analysis is great but doesn't seem to be achieving much. I don't like the 4-4-2, it leaves too many gaps in too many places, which is one of the reasons hardly anyone uses it these days.
There were positives and I always try to be balanced. But right now I am too pissed off to mention the good stuff so all I have to say is that I hate Arteta and his tarmac hair.
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SoccerHQ is right about it being far too easy in the second half for Arsenal to get to the edge of our box. We didn't press from their restarts at all suggesting a lack of ability, fitness or desire. We played far too deep against a team that should have been knackered.
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... but we defended really well for the majority.
If today is an example of us defending well for most of the game then I don't want to be around when the wheels come off. Villa's defending is less about reading the game, being one step ahead, spotting danger; it's more about desperate firefighting, often due to our own mistakes.
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SoccerHQ is right about it being far too easy in the second half for Arsenal to get to the edge of our box. We didn't press from their restarts at all suggesting a lack of ability, fitness or desire. We played far too deep against a team that should have been knackered.
That is 100% the main problem, and two of the goals were directly linked to that. We’ve got to much better than that.
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Two Arsenal player stood in front of Martinez for the winner. Will Arteta be demanding Villa are awarded a point?
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Forget the 4th, we were beaten by a fluke of a goal, against one of the best teams in the league. Thought there were lots of positives, Arsenal will not have too many tougher game the rest of the season.
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Sorry should say standing in offside positions. Look to be interfering more than we had one disallowed at their place
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Thought we did ok first half and probabaky deserved to be in front but second half we just didn’t get at Jorginho enough and he ran the game really. It’s fine margins though, Baileys shot hits the bar and comes out Jorginhos bounces in off Emi. We’re better than we were a couple of seasons ago but still too brittle. Onwards….
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Offside and interfering with the keeper?
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
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Forget the 4th, we were beaten by a fluke of a goal, against one of the best teams in the league. Thought there were lots of positives, Arsenal will not have too many tougher game the rest of the season.
Yes the main positive was the quality of our goals. We’ll score plenty with incisive play like that. The defending as a team however needs massive improvement. The midfield just doesn’t closedown well enough, the fullbacks get out of position too easily, and the centre backs make basic errors too regularly.
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A bitter pill to swallow but felt it was inevitable that we’d concede late on.
I still think we’re heading in the right direction, we played some good stuff again today, our second goal was beautiful. An upgrade on our two centre halves (with Carlos being one of them) and with Mings on the bench is what we need to happen sooner rather than later.
I’m convinced we’re not a million miles away from being a very decent team and I can’t help being a tiny bit excited about Duran…..there’s a player there.
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Arsenal will not have too many tougher game the rest of the season.
As Alex Ferguson used to say every season after beating us again.
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Emery has now publicly called out Martinez .
Unai said he has never asked a goal keeper to go up for corner .
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Emery needs to stop us conceding so many. 11 in 3 games is abysmal.
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... but we defended really well for the majority.
If today is an example of us defending well for most of the game then I don't want to be around when the wheels come off. Villa's defending is less about reading the game, being one step ahead, spotting danger; it's more about desperate firefighting, often due to our own mistakes.
Agreed Hilts. We are all over the place defensively. At hardly anytime have we defended well lately. It's not solely down to the last four either, our midfield has been danced through in our last few games.
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Simple things like that short corner, sort it out and the third goal doesn't exist
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
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Arsenal will not have too many tougher game the rest of the season.
As Alex Ferguson used to say every season after beating us again.
Exactly!
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.
The first was a calamity, the second was caused by not closing down which Luiz was informed of by the rest of the team. There’s no lack of organisation and as a defender you don’t need someone to tel you to head the ball away and not into the penalty area. They aren’t good enough to lift us into the top half. It’s called switching off and they do it time and time again.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
And last goal!
Martinez made a decision for his personal struggle against Arsenal and disobeyed orders, which was on the record as being unauthorised, and Emery has confirmed as much.
Emery has been courteous in what he has said but he has also expressed his unhappiness, and that is not how Emery expects players to operate and rightly so.
A goalie cannot just do as he pleases against the manager's wishes.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.
The first was a Captain, the second was caused by not closing down which Luiz was informed of by the rest of the team. There’s no lack of organisation and as a defender you don’t need someone to tel you to head the ball away and not into the penalty area. They aren’t good enough to lift us into the top half. It’s called switching off and they do it time and time again.
*calamity
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
I'm sympathetic to this view as I've long been of the opinion we simply don't have good enough players for anything but bottom half of the table. But why is it this is an acceptable excuse only under Emery? Smith or Gerrard were not given a pass - plenty of people then said these things are coached out of players on the training pitch, ergo the manager was ultimately responsible.
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I don’t think many people are that worried about the 4th footy. It’s kind of understood.
It’s the goals of consequence that are linked to actual common phases of play, not chancing your arm when you’re in the last chance saloon.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
I'm sympathetic to this view as I've long been of the opinion we simply don't have good enough players for anything but bottom half of the table. But why is it this is an acceptable excuse only under Emery? Smith or Gerrard were not given a pass - plenty of people then said these things are coached out of players on the training pitch, ergo the manager was ultimately responsible.
Because we are actually trying to play football and he’s won real trophies.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
And last goal!
Martinez made a decision for his personal struggle against Arsenal and disobeyed orders, which was on the record as being unauthorised, and Emery has confirmed as much.
Emery has been courteous in what he has said but he has also expressed his unhappiness, and that is not how Emery expects players to operate and rightly so.
A goalie cannot just do as he pleases against the manager's wishes.
98th minute losing 3-2 who fucking cares.
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I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more
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Exactly.
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I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more
Somebody please make it stop
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Thought it was a decent game and we played our part to be honest. Bailey's shot hits the bar and stays out, their's hits the bar, hits Martinez and goes in. Yes, some of the familiar frustrations were there again and Martinez's blatant time wasting is starting to annoy everyone, even our own fans.
What was noticeable from the North Stand was the width Arsenal played with. Their wide players stayed in advanced wide positions all game and they moved the ball quickly out to them. We,on the other, had no real options out wide and couldn't get out when we were trying to break. You could almost feel their first equaliser coming, as we just couldn't get out of our own half.
Didn't impact the game too much, but thought the ref was poor today and gave them pretty much everything. He gave one near our box in the 2nd half for a foul on Saka which was a terrible decision.
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When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.
It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?
That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.
I can't play football, but it a case of being alert all the time, manager shouldn't have to tell any player, this is where the other players should be screaming at each other
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I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more
Somebody please make it stop
I’d love to see your reaction Footy had we equalised from that corner and Martinez had some involvement. Would you have been furious that he went off script? Emery is wrong on this one - who cares about the risk of conceding one more goal when you’re losing anyway. Anything that could increase your chances of scoring makes sense. The risk vs reward balance means it’s logical to do.
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11 conceded in 3 games is poor no matter who the opposition is. Worse still most of them have been self-inflicted. Leicester was a catalogue of errors and we get the same again today.
Martínez kicked the ball out for a cheap throw and then that leads to another error. A Stevenagesque quick corner catches us out and before the late goals Konsa gifted them one and Nketiah fluffed his chance.
I'm getting fed up of Martínez's antics and others around me today thought likewise. His slow and poor distribution contributed to our downfall, his time wasting doesn't buy us time and he gets a free pass all the time.
Our relative strength is going forward (we have scored in every game since Emery arrived) and it's certainly not building painfully slowly at the back.
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Great game if you are a neutral
I am not neutral, scrap the 4th goal as shit happens the defence is terrible, Ming's gift for one.
Two goals scored from outside the box at a set piece because nobody closing down on an unmarked player
When was the last time we conceded 8 goals in two home games
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We really need to calm down and take stock imo.
I witnessed a bloody good game of football, against a team fighting to win the league, where barring the individual errors, we went toe to toe with them and could have won it for the width of the goal bar.
Saw some comments on here re. the midfield. I thought they played pretty well - Kamara's best game in a while, definitely Coutinho's best, and I thought Ollie was excellent today.
Few points I'd make - Martinez needs to cut out the time wasting. Yes, it's fine with 10 mins to go when we're winning by a goal, but from the very minute we go in front, fuck off. We pay to watch a game of football, and all it does is break up the momentum (ours included) and get added on at the end and put us under pressure in Fergie time! And for a World Cup winning goalkeeper, his distribution is woeful.
Matty Cash - Defensively, thought he did ok today, but barring the lump up top for Ollie and the first goal, his distribution was horrendous.
Emery - Barring Bailey, the subs killed our performance. Ramsey as ineffective as he has been since Gerrard's first few games, Dendoncker - Was he even on the pitch??, Digne - Not a fan.
Keep the faith. It's still lightyears from what has been served up in recent times. UTV
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Lucky, lucky Arsenal.
I preferred them when they were Borig, boring Arsenal.
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Simple things like that short corner, sort it out and the third goal doesn't exist
Worrying thing is Arsenal had another short corner five minutes later and had a strike that got blocked so we don't even learn during the game.
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Martinez needs to stop this time wasting. All it does is to allow the opposition time to get their shape back.
Seems like I’ve been watching a different match again as I thought we were just about ok first half but, second half, it took about 15 minutes for us to get into their half. What’s with this narrow play of ours from our full backs? It was obvious they were going to play it out to their wingers very quickly and we were so slow to react. In the second half particularly, Arsenal looked like they could score every time they attacked us. Meanwhile, our build up was so slow and laboured. In addition, when they played out from the back, we had a huge gap in midfield and, they passed around us with ease. Just my view but I thought, on the total balance of play, they were worth the 2 goals they won by.
Another frustrating season of now trying to get a couple more wins before our players go off to the beach entirely.
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We cannot defend corners from the right today an Stevenage.
Time wasting cost us. Duran will be a player.
Arsenal have one way of playing through Saka. So obvious but difficult to stop.
When Emery gets the players he wants we will be a decent team.
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Simple things like that short corner, sort it out and the third goal doesn't exist
Worrying thing is Arsenal had another short corner five minutes later and had a strike that got blocked so we don't even learn during the game.
as soon as they had the corner we were shouting to get across, that's piss poor a second time
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So disappointing today, but bloody hell, we play some great football at times. Our second was wonderful. Their third goal was a fluke, and without it, the forth doesn’t happen.
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Could anyone explain why we don't have a player near the half way line, surely you then need two arsenal players to mark him especially when we're under pressure late on
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I really can't believe some (the majority) of the comments on here. Having had two trains cancelled from Euston which meant having to go back home and watch in the pub, I was impressed with a lot of our play. The 3rd goal was just rank bad luck and the 4th doesn't really count. Other than that we were well in the game and deserved a draw against a very good team (the Arsenal fan in the pub agreed with me). There are some shortcomings in defence but Mings was unlucky that his clearance went straight to Saka and Emi M was terribly unlucky for their third. And as for his time-wasting, how did that affect the outcome of the game. We played some great stuff with some shortcomings in defence, but it's a work in progress.
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I thought we were decent today. Watkins excellent, everyone else pretty much played to their level (hopefully this is Ollie's new level, but that might be asking too much). We were a lick of paint (at each end) away from beating title contenders.
But three defeats on the trot isn't good enough for Aston Villa. There is now a lot more pressure on next week than there ever should be, no matter who we've just played. We need a result, otherwise a lot of (already strained) goodwill will disappear. I think we'll win, and then go on a bit of a run, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit twitchy about it.
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Difference in the game being their keeper tipped it on to the bar and our bar tipped it on to the keeper. Keep playing like that and we'll turn most sides in the league over and be fine. Fine is good as it will be this season.
Need a handful of upgrades in key positions, but think the squad is quite close actually.
15 games left and don't have to play either of the outstanding two teams in the league again.
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I really can't believe some (the majority) of the comments on here. Having had two trains cancelled from Euston which meant having to go back home and watch in the pub, I was impressed with a lot of our play. The 3rd goal was just rank bad luck and the 4th doesn't really count. Other than that we were well in the game and deserved a draw against a very good team (the Arsenal fan in the pub agreed with me). There are some shortcomings in defence but Mings was unlucky that his clearance went straight to Saka and Emi M was terribly unlucky for their third. And as for his time-wasting, how did that affect the outcome of the game. We played some great stuff with some shortcomings in defence, but it's a work in progress.
agreed
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Martyn, the problem is we have been a work in progress since about 1948!!
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"We want attacking football! Just entertain us!"
[turns out to be risky]
"Fock's sake Villa bunch of drips"
Look, it's not good enough, but we did just play the top two in the league and ran one of them right to the wire. If it's building towards something I can live with it. If it doesn't, well, we've been there before.
This is what happens when you expect different things from the same mostly shit team. Having a manager who could organise a defence would be nice though.
Who was our last one who could do that? Gregory?
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The most annoying thing about the result is that Arsenal were nothing special. It was a self inflicted defeat.
But far better than us overall
And title contenders.
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Gutted, absolutely gutted.
But we weren't hammered. Maybe it's me but I can see something in the way the manager wants the team to play. If the keeper does what he wants, he can fuck off.
If this result happens in 12 months time I might not be so chilled.
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... Mings was unlucky that his clearance went straight to Saka...
That wasn't bad luck, it was a poor attempted clearance.
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Only for the moment am I saying nothing.
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Crap clearance, not unlucky
If he had left it Martinez would have caught it
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Nice of Mings to celebrate his new contract in his time honoured way.
what the f are you on about, he was very hood today. Look at the set piece coach for blame leaving players unmarked outside penalty area. He was telling players to get back in the box for corners,
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We certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
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... Mings was unlucky that his clearance went straight to Saka...
That wasn't bad luck, it was a poor attempted clearance.
Exactly, you don't head it back into the centre of the penalty area - terrible error for an established player but he is prone to do that!
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
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Watkins, Luiz are playing well and Buendia has been here just over a year.
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As well as we play I’m sick to absolutely death of this side fcuking up my weekend more times than not.
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Somehow we’ve stood pat in 11th given our recent string of poor results.
We have been pathetically soft holding onto results for the last dozen years and it’s so taxing. It’s a cruel game, but it always seems like we are on the wrong end of late game drama.
NSWE better invest BIG in the summer, we need talent.. now.
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No problem with Big Emi's time wasting per se, it's the delay in distributing the ball that causes us serious problems. At least 5 times today he tried to play it out to Cash/Moreno and put it straight into touch, needlessly giving the ball back to a very strong opposition.
Play it out from the back by all means, but do it with a sense of pace and urgency so that we are more likely to take advantage of the opposition being out of position, not giving them all the time in the World to hem us in....leading to giving possession away cheaply, yet again.
I thought we were great in the first half and played in a tight, compact way, but feared that we might not keep it up 2nd half...and we didn't, leading to poor closing down - a few Arse players were able to progress 50 yards up the pitch without being challenged at all...and our picking up players from short corners is non existent!
That's pretty basic stuff.
Fine margins! Bailey's shot 1 inch lower and we have a completely different outcome!
Their 3rd was a fluke, the 4th irrelevant.
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Buendia has been here just over a year.
He signed in June 2021.
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Watkins, Luiz are playing well and Buendia has been here just over a year.
Since we last finished in the top half Newcastle, Fulham, West Brom, Everton, Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Burnley, Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd, Leeds Utd and Brighton have all done so. We stick rigidly by players and claim they're decent but they've not done something that the above have done. They're not as decent as we think they are. There's too many 1 in 4 players, poor performances punctuated by occasional decent ones.
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We certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
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I felt we really went at them first half. There's something a bit sub-Man City about the way Arsenal play, for want of a better term. They look to force you to peel space between your centre half and full back, as they consistently tried and failed to overload Cash.
They do move the ball nicely and it's interesting the O'Neillism of a centre half at full back too.
Pressed them well though, lovely finish from Ollie on his weaker foot, the 2nd goal was brilliant back to front and we deserved that half time lead.
Mings at fault for the 1st with a poor header. You don't play a ball inside your own 18 yard area like that. Pop it anywhere else and don't take the risk.
On the plus, he seems to be finding an extra passing gear into the attacking midfielder and quickening up that movement, which is good and was largely solid. But it is still another mistake and another goal.
2nd half they obviously upped it. We lost our concentration for their 2nd, let them in 1 on 1 thereafter and Konsa almost played them in for an hilarious miss.
Where we seem to struggle is taking the sting out of games when there is an inevitable momentum shift. We go through spells of giving it away too cheaply and it allows pressure to build and territory to be lost. Anybody not expecting that at times today though would be an extremely harsh critic.
That said, the games turned on a crossbar. Our effort from Bailey rattles the underside, could go anywhere. Their effort naturally hits the back of our keeper. On such margins events do turn.
If we want to be critical then Bailey ought to have been onside to press the initial ball and stop Arsenal with the quick transition.
Duran looks a handful. Unlucky with his effort and id very much like to see him start off Watkins with Phil at Goodison, given his height and pace.
Disappointing to lose, it always is. But there's been improvement and you sense the direction of travel. It just won't include a few of the current squad on the journey.
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Buendia is poor. He's a bottom 6/7 player.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12814109/aston-villa-2-4-arsenal-premier-league-highlights
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11 conceded in 3 games is poor no matter who the opposition is. Worse still most of them have been self-inflicted. Leicester was a catalogue of errors and we get the same again today.
Martínez kicked the ball out for a cheap throw and then that leads to another error. A Stevenagesque quick corner catches us out and before the late goals Konsa gifted them one and Nketiah fluffed his chance.
I'm getting fed up of Martínez's antics and others around me today thought likewise. His slow and poor distribution contributed to our downfall, his time wasting doesn't buy us time and he gets a free pass all the time.
Our relative strength is going forward (we have scored in every game since Emery arrived) and it's certainly not building painfully slowly at the back.
Yes, this pretty much sums it up for me.
Good points - Moreno, McGinn (after a slow start), Watkins, Kamara and Luiz all played well. Digne did okay when he came on.
Some worries - Mings' awful header for the 1st Arse goal, distribution from Martinez was pretty rubbish (slow and inaccurate), Ramsey's continuing poor form. I also felt that Duran should have had some time alongside Watkins, not be his immediate replacement.
Our management of set pieces continues to be a big concern - how many times did Arse take short corners which we seemed not be very aware of (of which one resulted in the Arse 2nd)?
This afternoon's second half reminded me of last week's first: too passive, and we paid for it.
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I probably wasn't that pissed about the game until Forest took a point off Man City.
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the defence is a shambles at the moment.
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Watkins, Luiz are playing well and Buendia has been here just over a year.
Since we last finished in the top half Newcastle, Fulham, West Brom, Everton, Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Burnley, Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd, Leeds Utd and Brighton have all done so. We stick rigidly by players and claim they're decent but they've not done something that the above have done. They're not as decent as we think they are. There's too many 1 in 4 players, poor performances punctuated by occasional decent ones.
That's depressing. Come the end of the season you can add Brentford to that list too.
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Annoying to lose that, but we play some great football at times. I honestly don't think we're all that far away from being a very good side. With time and an injection of quality players, Emery will have us competing for a European spot.
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Fulham are 3 points from 4th. Fulham. With fucking Newcastle in actually in 4th. No doubt an unpopular point to regurgitate, but we missed a huge, huge opportunity in January to really build on the momentum Emery's arrival had sparked.
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Don’t forget we are not ready for Europe. Someone should tell Silva that he’s heading for disaster.
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I think we're miles away from being a good side. All 4 defenders plus Luiz, McGinn and Buendia aren't good enough to consistently either play well enough or be solid enough to get enough results to be anywhere near European football. Martinez, Kamara and very arguably Watkins are and that's it. Obviously it's almost impossible to find players that could improve us though. Either our scouting is shit or we're just really unlucky and our results don't represent the quality we have in the squad. January was the rest of the season thrown down the pan.
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That was a decent game today against top opposition, we played some good stuff at times and if Ramsdale hadn't tipped Baileys effort onto the bar we could have got three points. Watkins has now scored in four consecutive league games and with the run of games coming up I think we can move up the league.
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with the run of games coming up I think we can move up the league.
The famous Aston Villa bear trap.
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I felt we really went at them first half. There's something a bit sub-Man City about the way Arsenal play, for want of a better term. They look to force you to peel space between your centre half and full back, as they consistently tried and failed to overload Cash.
They do move the ball nicely and it's interesting the O'Neillism of a centre half at full back too.
Pressed them well though, lovely finish from Ollie on his weaker foot, the 2nd goal was brilliant back to front and we deserved that half time lead.
Mings at fault for the 1st with a poor header. You don't play a ball inside your own 18 yard area like that. Pop it anywhere else and don't take the risk.
On the plus, he seems to be finding an extra passing gear into the attacking midfielder and quickening up that movement, which is good and was largely solid. But it is still another mistake and another goal.
2nd half they obviously upped it. We lost our concentration for their 2nd, let them in 1 on 1 thereafter and Konsa almost played them in for an hilarious miss.
Where we seem to struggle is taking the sting out of games when there is an inevitable momentum shift. We go through spells of giving it away too cheaply and it allows pressure to build and territory to be lost. Anybody not expecting that at times today though would be an extremely harsh critic.
That said, the games turned on a crossbar. Our effort from Bailey rattles the underside, could go anywhere. Their effort naturally hits the back of our keeper. On such margins events do turn.
If we want to be critical then Bailey ought to have been onside to press the initial ball and stop Arsenal with the quick transition.
Duran looks a handful. Unlucky with his effort and id very much like to see him start off Watkins with Phil at Goodison, given his height and pace.
Disappointing to lose, it always is. But there's been improvement and you sense the direction of travel. It just won't include a few of the current squad on the journey.
I'd say your review is spot on Ads.
Mistakes are still there but give me that Aston Villa compared last seasons effort against Arsenal.
We played some lovely football at times today although we still turn over the ball far too often especially when the opposition is in the ascendancy.
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Thought we did ok first half and probabaky deserved to be in front but second half we just didn’t get at Jorginho enough and he ran the game really. It’s fine margins though, Baileys shot hits the bar and comes out Jorginhos bounces in off Emi. We’re better than we were a couple of seasons ago but still too brittle. Onwards….
I agree with this
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We just don’t retain the ball well enough. Been the same for years. Quality, or lack of it, of players is the issue.
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3 on the bounce, 11 conceded, role on the summer and get the defence sorted
*roll
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I felt we really went at them first half. There's something a bit sub-Man City about the way Arsenal play, for want of a better term. They look to force you to peel space between your centre half and full back, as they consistently tried and failed to overload Cash.
They do move the ball nicely and it's interesting the O'Neillism of a centre half at full back too.
Pressed them well though, lovely finish from Ollie on his weaker foot, the 2nd goal was brilliant back to front and we deserved that half time lead.
Mings at fault for the 1st with a poor header. You don't play a ball inside your own 18 yard area like that. Pop it anywhere else and don't take the risk.
On the plus, he seems to be finding an extra passing gear into the attacking midfielder and quickening up that movement, which is good and was largely solid. But it is still another mistake and another goal.
2nd half they obviously upped it. We lost our concentration for their 2nd, let them in 1 on 1 thereafter and Konsa almost played them in for an hilarious miss.
Where we seem to struggle is taking the sting out of games when there is an inevitable momentum shift. We go through spells of giving it away too cheaply and it allows pressure to build and territory to be lost. Anybody not expecting that at times today though would be an extremely harsh critic.
That said, the games turned on a crossbar. Our effort from Bailey rattles the underside, could go anywhere. Their effort naturally hits the back of our keeper. On such margins events do turn.
If we want to be critical then Bailey ought to have been onside to press the initial ball and stop Arsenal with the quick transition.
Duran looks a handful. Unlucky with his effort and id very much like to see him start off Watkins with Phil at Goodison, given his height and pace.
Disappointing to lose, it always is. But there's been improvement and you sense the direction of travel. It just won't include a few of the current squad on the journey.
Absolutely spot on. A much more eloquent and insightful summary than I could have come up with.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
but they couldn't
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
but they couldn't
No thanks to our defence. So, just the four then.
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Agree with Risso
We have air washed the Stevenage result from memory, also crap defending
Everton on a roll at home, Ehmm
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Agree with Risso
We have air washed the Stevenage result from memory, also crap defending
Everton on a roll at home, Ehmm
Everton are bluff and bluster atm.Confident we'll do them
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Agree with Risso
We have air washed the Stevenage result from memory, also crap defending
Everton on a roll at home, Ehmm
Everton are bluff and bluster atm.Confident we'll do them
I'd expect us to concede from a set piece or two against them. I think we'll need to score 3 to win that game.
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Hope you are right
But with their Dyche ball they have beaten Arsenal and Leeds, call me pessimistic but not brimming with confidence for this
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
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The most annoying thing about the result is that Arsenal were nothing special. It was a self inflicted defeat.
But far better than us overall
They penned us in our own half for all the2ndhalf except from a couple of breakaways.
They were hugely superior to us.
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
Agreed.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
Fulham 3-0 was pretty grim.
Think we need to get back to basics on the training pitch this week and stop asking players to do things they can't.
Watched Everton-Leeds after which was a very poor game but Everton made it a scrap and scrambled a goal out of very little so that's the template for them next week.
Most of their set pieces were finding Tarkowski at the back post so we need to be aware of that (aswell as obviously practising running out a bit quicker to someone on the edge of the box rather than just jogging constantly).
I'm expecting three wins before the next international break so we need to get back on it at Goodison as we do have goals in us at least.
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Yet we created the 3 best chances in the 2nd half - until konsa tried to give them a goal, then it all went wrong.
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Yet we created the 3 best chances in the 2nd half - until konsa tried to give them a goal, then it all went wrong.
I can think of at least three sitters that Arsneal missed in the second half. The Odegaard one was on a plate for him.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
Fulham 3-0 was pretty grim.
Think we need to get back to basics on the training pitch this week and stop asking players to do things they can't.
Watched Everton-Leeds after which was a very poor game but Everton made it a scrap and scrambled a goal out of very little so that's the template for them next week.
Most of their set pieces were finding Tarkowski at the back post so we need to be aware of that (aswell as obviously practising running out a bit quicker to someone on the edge of the box rather than just jogging constantly).
I'm expecting three wins before the next international break so we need to get back on it at Goodison as we do have goals in us at least.
The Fulham game was one match, where it looked pretty certain that the players had downed tools as far as Gerrard was concerned. These last three games were supposed to see us try to get into the top half and have a go for the European spots, but we've been a disorganised rabble, handing out goals on a plate to every team we've played.
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of which two are the top two
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of which two are the top two
And in the 93rd minute today, we were taking a point off Arsenal until a shot went in via the crossbar and the back of our goalkeeper's head.
That's a fine margin.
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
Re 1st point, I don’t bother reading every post these days, but if true that’s just plain ridiculous!
Re 2nd point 11 goals conceded by Martinez in 3 games would not have won him the World Cup/golden glove. It’s not a good look for him. Something definitely needs sorting there.
But for an unlucky crossbar wallop and 2 freakish goals in injury time for them we’d have deservedly got something from this game.
Great to see Ollie on the scoresheet again. UTV!
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
Emery is a fantastic manager and will win us something before he leaves - he could even be the long awaited messiah to get us back onto the top table. But we've lost badly in the last few games and people are pissed off. With a game against a battling Everton next, it's a bit twitchy. Emery isn't under any pressure whatsoever and rightly so.
Martinez. I've read a few comments about his probable departure in the summer and more recently his time wasting , but none questioning his ability - he's obviously a fantastic keeper. But his time wasting seems to have gone into overdrive the last 6 months or so. Today I thought it was counterproductive.
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What an absolute fucking chump that keeper is. His twattery quite literally rebounding on him today. Sure, take the piss a bit, but not when you’re letting in four goals a game.
Correct. Imagine not comprehending that his constant time wasting adds up over 90+ minutes. That 5 or 6 minutes he's blatantly wasting could be used for attacking to try and score more goals than the opposition.
I don't even reply to them, lolz
Lolololololz
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
Emery is a fantastic manager and will win us something before he leaves - he could even be the long awaited messiah to get us back onto the top table. But we've lost badly in the last few games and people are pissed off. With a game against a battling Everton next, it's a bit twitchy. Emery isn't under any pressure whatsoever and rightly so.
Martinez. I've read a few comments about his probable departure in the summer and more recently his time wasting , but none questioning his ability - he's obviously a fantastic keeper. But his time wasting seems to have gone into overdrive the last 6 months or so. Today I thought it was counterproductive.
Hi kicked the ball in to touch 6 or 7 times today.
He was as much at fault as anyone giving up possession today.
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I disagree with any criticism for Emery or Martinez at this point and i very much doubt anything will go too far south with either of them to change my view.
I am quite convinced that the level of performance will drop next week against Everton though, who will out battle us for their three points. Its the Villa way, and the level of meltdown on here will be quite something after that.
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of which two are the top two
And in the 93rd minute today, we were taking a point off Arsenal until a shot went in via the crossbar and the back of our goalkeeper's head.
That's a fine margin.
…which should have been ruled out judging by precedent.
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of which two are the top two
And in the 93rd minute today, we were taking a point off Arsenal until a shot went in via the crossbar and the back of our goalkeeper's head.
That's a fine margin.
…which should have been ruled out judging by precedent.
why would it be ruled out, haven't seen any highlights
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On BT they were saying that an offside player was possibly in Emi's line of sight. Nobody appealed for it though, I don't know if VAR checked it.
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Two offside players obstructing emi’s view, as per our rules out goal vs them a couple of seasons ago.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
Fulham 3-0 was pretty grim.
Think we need to get back to basics on the training pitch this week and stop asking players to do things they can't.
Watched Everton-Leeds after which was a very poor game but Everton made it a scrap and scrambled a goal out of very little so that's the template for them next week.
Most of their set pieces were finding Tarkowski at the back post so we need to be aware of that (aswell as obviously practising running out a bit quicker to someone on the edge of the box rather than just jogging constantly).
I'm expecting three wins before the next international break so we need to get back on it at Goodison as we do have goals in us at least.
The Fulham game was one match, where it looked pretty certain that the players had downed tools as far as Gerrard was concerned. These last three games were supposed to see us try to get into the top half and have a go for the European spots, but we've been a disorganised rabble, handing out goals on a plate to every team we've played.
Handing out goals. Disorganised rabble. Really? For crying out loud we’ve just narrowly lost to the team top of the table, and to the team who won the league last season. Perspective please.
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of which two are the top two
And in the 93rd minute today, we were taking a point off Arsenal until a shot went in via the crossbar and the back of our goalkeeper's head.
That's a fine margin.
…which should have been ruled out judging by precedent.
why would it be ruled out, haven't seen any highlights
A couple of Arsenal players in an offside position, potentially obstructing Martinez’ line of sight.
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I thought we played quite well overall. Their first three goals were very good strikes, maybe unavoidable but they still flew in. We seem to have a soft underbelly at the moment but when he brings his own players in, that hopefully will change.
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As I said in midweek, the games are referred utterly differently depending on which teams are involved.
Brighton last minute winner like that? VAR'd to fuck.
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Looks like other teams give the same respect to these top teams like we do though. Forest.. check, Arsenal 1 point from 9 before today. I don’t care who the opposition are, we need to go toe to toe irrespective of who they are.
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Knew we would oblige with gifting points today
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The second half was one way traffic except for a couple of breaks we made.
They had many chances to win the game.
Our subs did nothing to help deal with Saka who was the major threat.
No idea why he took Watkins and Luiz off.
Mings went from sublime to ridiculous and gave away yet another goal.
We are such a soft touch.
Kamara was fantastic.
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Improvement? When was the last time we’ve been this bad defensively? If Nketiah and Odegaard could finish they’d have had 6 or 7.
Fulham 3-0 was pretty grim.
Think we need to get back to basics on the training pitch this week and stop asking players to do things they can't.
Watched Everton-Leeds after which was a very poor game but Everton made it a scrap and scrambled a goal out of very little so that's the template for them next week.
Most of their set pieces were finding Tarkowski at the back post so we need to be aware of that (aswell as obviously practising running out a bit quicker to someone on the edge of the box rather than just jogging constantly).
I'm expecting three wins before the next international break so we need to get back on it at Goodison as we do have goals in us at least.
The Fulham game was one match, where it looked pretty certain that the players had downed tools as far as Gerrard was concerned. These last three games were supposed to see us try to get into the top half and have a go for the European spots, but we've been a disorganised rabble, handing out goals on a plate to every team we've played.
Handing out goals. Disorganised rabble. Really? For crying out loud we’ve just narrowly lost to the team top of the table, and to the team who won the league last season. Perspective please.
True re the opposition last 2 games but it’s hardly surprising people will be pissed off after 11 goals conceded in 3 matches. Leicester was a fucking disaster, Man City was the usual predictable meek shite until it was game over and although we played quite well today once the 6 min injury time went up you just knew there was no chance we’d get one but every chance they would. Same old Villa, very predictable.
Yes, Emery could well turn us into a good side but here and now it’s frustrating again.
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Oh for crying out loud there's 2 stood right in front of Emi for their winner. Jamie Smith on Twitter has the picture.
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Yes, Emery could well turn us into a good side but here and now it’s frustrating again.
Yes, exactly that, it IS frustrating and it will continue to be so for the remainder of this season.
You just have to accept that (especially having not having strengthened in January).
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Only saw first half and we played brilliant football. Martinez failing to release the ball and the Mings error the only negative. Mesmeric football for our second. Only seeing second half highlights but their winner in stoppage time was as flukey a winner as you could get. Holding on for a point would have been a significant moment I think in the teams development under Emery. Anyway, we go again!
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Yes, Emery could well turn us into a good side but here and now it’s frustrating again.
Yes, exactly that, it IS frustrating and it will continue to be so for the remainder of this season.
You just have to accept that (especially having not having strengthened in January).
We've never any choice but to accept it. I'm just utterly sick of the same old shit. I did say that the players and not the previous managers were the main problem, but I did think that Emery would get more of a tune out of them than this. He's properly pissed off with them though, his interview on BBC radio is basically 6 minutes of him saying that they're not doing what he asks them to do, which is suspiciously similar to what the previous manager used to say. I'm only guessing, but I think he's toeing the party line regarding the lack of spending in January, but if he's not backed in the summer I think he'll be off. He's not going to risk his reputation trying to play possession based football with a rabble who can't string two passes together.
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
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There are two absolutely bonkers positions appearing post this game today:
- Those losing patience with Emery (not those criticising issues in the game that clearly need to be addressed, but actually implying he should be under pressure)
- Those stating we could easily replace Martinez and thinking he’s a significant problem.
Emery is a fantastic manager and will win us something before he leaves - he could even be the long awaited messiah to get us back onto the top table. But we've lost badly in the last few games and people are pissed off. With a game against a battling Everton next, it's a bit twitchy. Emery isn't under any pressure whatsoever and rightly so.
Martinez. I've read a few comments about his probable departure in the summer and more recently his time wasting , but none questioning his ability - he's obviously a fantastic keeper. But his time wasting seems to have gone into overdrive the last 6 months or so. Today I thought it was counterproductive.
Some people are 100% questioning his ability. They are also suggesting he’s easily replaced - it’s utter nonsense.
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Everton weren't very battling against Liverpool, they looked every bit as bad as under Fwank.
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
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I do wonder if that's offside, although these days, who knows as they seem to make it up as they go along. Knowing VAR if they checked it they drew the line on Ramsdale.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpQctqpXwAAqTeE?format=jpg&name=small)
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
I guess that’s why we didn’t just sign any fucker in the last hours of the January window.
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In fairness I wouldn't have touched Willian. He was shit at Arsenal, apparently pretty shit back at Corinthians. I'm not sure many expected him to be as decent as he has been this season.
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
He's limited but I actually feel he's been a bit underused recently. Guess that mistake v Stevenage has blacklisted him in Emery's mind but then you see Kamara do the same thing v Leicester and a member of our back 4 do it every game seemingly.
He started the Brentford and Man. United home games so not like we can't play decent football with him in the team and gives us more physical presence which he could well need v Everton.
As regards the signing well we had Arsenal bidding for Luiz late in the August window and many players would've gone on strike to force the move so I think it was just in response to that and Luiz still had to sign a new deal.
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Very disappointed again.
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In fairness I wouldn't have touched Willian. He was shit at Arsenal, apparently pretty shit back at Corinthians. I'm not sure many expected him to be as decent as he has been this season.
Exactly right. If we'd been in for him I would have been very disappointed. Fair play to him he's done okay there but I'm glad we didn't take that risk on.
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Some of the reaction on here is over the top. We’re a mid table squad playing a team going for the title who have spent a lot. The difference in the game was one shot went off the woodwork and fell kindly. Another went off and struck the goal keeper at a ridiculously lucky way to go in. That’s it.
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Thought we played very well for a lot of the game, with two very good goals and Bailey just missing out on a cracker. The late goals were just so deflating. We are conceding too many goals at the moment which has to stop.
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Some of the reaction on here is over the top. We’re a mid table squad playing a team going for the title who have spent a lot. The difference in the game was one shot went off the woodwork and fell kindly. Another went off and struck the goal keeper at a ridiculously lucky way to go in. That’s it.
Well actually that's not it. They had 67% possession and 20 shots.
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And for all that it boiled down to angles on the woodwork.
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Some of the reaction on here is over the top. We’re a mid table squad playing a team going for the title who have spent a lot. The difference in the game was one shot went off the woodwork and fell kindly. Another went off and struck the goal keeper at a ridiculously lucky way to go in. That’s it.
Well actually that's not it. They had 67% possession and 20 shots.
Which is what I would expect. What we’re you expecting? That a manager who has been in post for a few months with a mid table squad where there has been low net spend would do what against this arsenal side which has been developed over many seasons and have consistency, stability, a sustained plan of investment?
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2-2 as we go into added time, we hit the bar and it goes out, they hit the bar and it hits the keeper and goes in. That ultimately decided whether we got 1 point, 0 points or 3 points.
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And for all that it boiled down to angles on the woodwork.
Exactly.
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They camped in the final 3rd for almost all of the 2nd half.
They had 3 chances at 2 2 that they should have taken.
We had a couple of breaks and one decent shot which I think was tipped in to the bar.
They dominated and deserved the win.
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In fairness I wouldn't have touched Willian. He was shit at Arsenal, apparently pretty shit back at Corinthians. I'm not sure many expected him to be as decent as he has been this season.
Exactly right. If we'd been in for him I would have been very disappointed. Fair play to him he's done okay there but I'm glad we didn't take that risk on.
He signed a one-year deal. Very risky business that!
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Yes, Emery could well turn us into a good side but here and now it’s frustrating again.
Yes, exactly that, it IS frustrating and it will continue to be so for the remainder of this season.
You just have to accept that (especially having not having strengthened in January).
We've never any choice but to accept it. I'm just utterly sick of the same old shit. I did say that the players and not the previous managers were the main problem, but I did think that Emery would get more of a tune out of them than this. He's properly pissed off with them though, his interview on BBC radio is basically 6 minutes of him saying that they're not doing what he asks them to do, which is suspiciously similar to what the previous manager used to say. I'm only guessing, but I think he's toeing the party line regarding the lack of spending in January, but if he's not backed in the summer I think he'll be off. He's not going to risk his reputation trying to play possession based football with a rabble who can't string two passes together.
He’ll be off where exactly? How many football managers just up and quit?
Ah. There was Kevin Keegan.
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And for all that it boiled down to angles on the woodwork.
Do we get sympathy points for that then?
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Yes, Emery could well turn us into a good side but here and now it’s frustrating again.
Yes, exactly that, it IS frustrating and it will continue to be so for the remainder of this season.
You just have to accept that (especially having not having strengthened in January).
We've never any choice but to accept it. I'm just utterly sick of the same old shit. I did say that the players and not the previous managers were the main problem, but I did think that Emery would get more of a tune out of them than this. He's properly pissed off with them though, his interview on BBC radio is basically 6 minutes of him saying that they're not doing what he asks them to do, which is suspiciously similar to what the previous manager used to say. I'm only guessing, but I think he's toeing the party line regarding the lack of spending in January, but if he's not backed in the summer I think he'll be off. He's not going to risk his reputation trying to play possession based football with a rabble who can't string two passes together.
He’ll be off where exactly? How many football managers just up and quit?
Ah. There was Kevin Keegan.
Off to a different job, you know, like thousands of managers.
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My game of football is you put the ball in the net, not how many chances they had, they don't count and didn't until a shot off the bar,in other words they were lucky how it comes off our keeper
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My game of football is you put the ball in the net, not how many chances they had, they don't count and didn't until a shot off the bar,in other words they were lucky how it comes off our keeper
2 -4
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Two Arsenal player stood in front of Martinez for the winner. Will Arteta be demanding Villa are awarded a point?
And both players clearly standing in front of our keeper. Wonder if that'll get a mention on Match of the Day? Really poor decision, despite the ball hitting Martinez. I hate Arsenal. Bunch of self-entitled pansy wankers. Nearly as bad as their other half.
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They were better than us but we were desperately unlucky not to come out of that with a point. If people are angry with the Villa after that I think it says more about them than how the team's doing. Onwards.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
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The sooner Diego Carlos is fit the better. The man is a beast. Such awful luck at getting a ruptured Achilles in only his second appearance. Our goals against column would be much healthier if he had played most of this season
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We lost to a team which by jammily spawning two in stoppage time went top of the league.
The Villa's alright.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
All. All of their fans are fucking helmets. Like lesta, anybody that thinks one of their supporters is 'alright' needs to have a fucking good look at themselves.
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So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
On what planet is he the "best keeper in the world"?
Ìf he was then he wouldn't be playing for a lower midtable team
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The playing from the back thing does my head in, not because we do it but because 1. we are so slow to set up and we let the opposition set to counter it and 2. we have no plan b other than hoof it. There were several occasions where Martinez could have made a simple throw over Mings’ marker to Moreno who was in acres of space and could have pushed up the field.
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So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
So we're turning on the best keeper in the world now? Exactly which of the goals was his fault? And before anyone says the last one, every keeper comes up for that and it wasn't him who overhit the corner.
God's sake.
On what planet is he the "best keeper in the world"?
Ìf he was then he wouldn't be playing for a lower midtable team
This one; potentially confirmed in the next week or so.
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I thought that many players were the best players in the world, and they all played for villa.
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Emery is doing okay, these are not his players and he is using this season to see who's capable and who needs to go. We lost momentum early second half, the midfield just could not hold on to the ball which put more pressure on the back line, we played that narrow that both Villa full backs were totally exposed. The biggest take from the game for me was that our ball retention was pathetic, it comes down to quality and we don't have enough.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.
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Emery is doing okay, these are not his players and he is using this season to see who's capable and who needs to go. We lost momentum early second half, the midfield just could not hold on to the ball which put more pressure on the back line, we played that narrow that both Villa full backs were totally exposed. The biggest take from the game for me was that our ball retention was pathetic, it comes down to quality and we don't have enough.
I disagree the problem is our centre backs and goal keeper can not pass the ball except to each other, this means that we are unable to transition from defence to attack and give the ball back to the opposition constantly.
Our midfield and attack are often receiving the ball under pressure.
But I do agree our ball retention was pathetic.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.
Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.
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And for all that it boiled down to angles on the woodwork.
Do we get sympathy points for that then?
For me it's about context of the game. Despite us being better first half, them better the second, the whole event boiled down to two similar strikes on goal that fell at marginally different angles. Situations count, as Klopp might say.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.
Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.
No it doesn't but it’s disingenuous to say Martinez was ‘just in a team that won the World Cup.’ It was hardly Djimi Traore levels of involvement. Just look at who Messi ran to first and foremost. Messi.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.
Whatever, winning the World Cup doesn't make you the best keeper in the world.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.
Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.
No it doesn't but it’s disingenuous to say Martinez was ‘just in a team that won the World Cup.’ It was hardly Djimi Traore levels of involvement. Just look at who Messi ran to first and foremost. Messi.
That's not what I was implying. He was probably their most important player, but that still doesn't make him the world's best keeper. It just makes him a world cup winner.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.
I thought Messi was pretty good.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was pivotal in Argentina winning the World Cup, he didn’t just rock up and get a medal.
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
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The issue which seems most relevant to me is the team's set-up and approach o the first half vs Citeh and the 2nd half vs Arse. Both were passive and error-strewn (particularly around ball-retention). Having said that, Forest salvaged a point today with 26% possession, but my question is why we seem so lacking in dynamism when we have also shown that we can be very effective when we take the initiative.
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
The problem is in his recent interview it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be here next season so it’s going to be up to him to start performing at the top of his game to defuse this.
He’s going to be extremely hard to replace and it’s a position I hoped would be safe for years to come.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
All. All of their fans are fucking helmets. Like lesta, anybody that thinks one of their supporters is 'alright' needs to have a fucking good look at themselves.
And the amount of whinging about how Saka needs to protected from continual brutal fouling is off the scale. Snide as f**k.
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He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.
He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.
Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.
No it doesn't but it’s disingenuous to say Martinez was ‘just in a team that won the World Cup.’ It was hardly Djimi Traore levels of involvement. Just look at who Messi ran to first and foremost. Messi.
That's not what I was implying. He was probably their most important player, but that still doesn't make him the world's best keeper. It just makes him a world cup winner.
I think more context is needed. Winning the World Cup is the pinnacle for any player. Some of the best players in history have not won it and the infrequency means the opportunities are limited. That (and the eyes of the world) add massive pressure, pressure, which many buckle under. So even though the level of international football has dropped, delivering under that amount of pressure still remains an elite challenge. And Martinez obviously delivered on that in a big way, contributing massively to help perhaps the greatest player in history to win the one thing he previously couldn’t and to break an almost 30 year period where Argentina lost a number of World Cup and copa America finals. So even though an international tournament is a small sample size, it’s an incredible challenge to win it. So I think it’s right that weight is given to it as an achievement. Regardless of whether you do or don’t think of him as the best in the world, he’s had some incredible achievements and performances and the fact that an Aston Villa player could be crowned a best player globally in any category is something that only benefits Aston Villa. I’d be proud if he won the award and if he goes in the summer, he goes. Winning that award whilst a Villa player only pushes the transfer fee higher and only puts Villa on the radar a bit more. I wouldn’t swap him for any other keeper which is saying something. I’d say the best in the world are Martinez, Courtois and Alisson.
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
The problem is in his recent interview it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be here next season so it’s going to be up to him to start performing at the top of his game to defuse this.
He’s going to be extremely hard to replace and it’s a position I hoped would be safe for years to come.
If he goes I would blame the club as much as anything. He’s been here long enough for us to get out act together and we just haven’t.
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My game of football is you put the ball in the net, not how many chances they had, they don't count and didn't until a shot off the bar,in other words they were lucky how it comes off our keeper
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
I guess that’s why we didn’t just sign any fucker in the last hours of the January window.
Great post and hits the nail on head. Can't have it both ways.
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
I guess that’s why we didn’t just sign any fucker in the last hours of the January window.
Great post and hits the nail on head. Can't have it both ways.
Well no - you strategise right and get the players you want, whether that’s the 1st or the 31st of Jan.
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Think our Ollie has just said it all on motd. He said we do the hard work to get a lead and then throw away the game and that he’s seen it too often at Villa.
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And if you can't get them you sign the attacking Dendoncker, or you wait?
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
The problem is in his recent interview it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be here next season so it’s going to be up to him to start performing at the top of his game to defuse this.
He’s going to be extremely hard to replace and it’s a position I hoped would be safe for years to come.
If he goes I would blame the club as much as anything. He’s been here long enough for us to get out act together and we just haven’t.
Unfortunately world class players want to play at the really successful clubs The World Cup has elevated his status and if he ends up being sold for ridiculous money in the summer, I’m sure that would have happened even if we had a fairly decent transfer window this January. You can’t blame the owners for that?
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And if you can't get them you sign the attacking Dendoncker, or you wait?
And when someone else swoops in in the summer? Or we don’t get our targets then? Ultimately we just need to do a better bloody job in the transfer market.
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
The problem is in his recent interview it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be here next season so it’s going to be up to him to start performing at the top of his game to defuse this.
He’s going to be extremely hard to replace and it’s a position I hoped would be safe for years to come.
If he goes I would blame the club as much as anything. He’s been here long enough for us to get out act together and we just haven’t.
Unfortunately world class players want to play at the really successful clubs The World Cup has elevated his status and if he ends up being sold for ridiculous money in the summer, I’m sure that would have happened even if we had a fairly decent transfer window this January. You can’t blame the owners for that?
I’d go back to summer 2021 onwards.
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That's 3 games on the bounce we've conceded 3 goals in just 1 half of football too. When the backs are to the walls we fold. This group of players don't have the mental fortitude to withstand pressure.
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Was that the summer when Grealish pissed us about?
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Was that the summer when Grealish pissed us about?
Yes. I think he was always going to leave the second he had the contract clause put in from the previously august/September. It was the response from the club to him leaving and also their evaluation of Smith at the time. I think they didn’t really trust in him to take us forward but waited until a bad run to sack him. When really, if they didn’t trust him, they should have been decisive and replaced him that summer. Then the Gerrard appointment, which I never understood. Then the change in approach to both recruitment and structure. Then -as with the previous summer-only going so far with the investment, almost waiting to see if Gerrard could do a job before trusting him further (and we all know it was Purslow’s call to appoint him). Appointing Emery, great move though it was, we’ll see whether he gets the investment required to genuinely push us up into the top 8. I’m not so sure we will although there’s no excuse now as he is the best manager we’ve appointed since MON.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
All. All of their fans are fucking helmets. Like lesta, anybody that thinks one of their supporters is 'alright' needs to have a fucking good look at themselves.
And the amount of whinging about how Saka needs to protected from continual brutal fouling is off the scale. Snide as f**k.
Which might be valid if he didnt deserve to get sent off.
Twice...
Fucking helmets.
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Apologies if it’s already been discussed, but why wasn’t their third goal offside because of the players obstructing Emi’s view of the shot?
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Because VAR owed them one for Arteta whinging all week about theirs last weekend...
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Some of the reaction on here is over the top. We’re a mid table squad playing a team going for the title who have spent a lot. The difference in the game was one shot went off the woodwork and fell kindly. Another went off and struck the goal keeper at a ridiculously lucky way to go in. That’s it.
Well actually that's not it. They had 67% possession and 20 shots.
Im travelling on holiday and watched the game on the plane rather than being there as normal. Before their second Andy Townsend was blathering on about the stat they’d had 10 shots or so to our none, it was an utter bollocks stat, as at that stage most of those shots were harmless floaty things over the bar.
At the end of the day they are a very good side this year and they had more possession than us as would be expected, but in major parts of the game we also looked like we could win it and with Bailey and Durans shots we were a bit unlucky not to go 3-2 up. Their 3rd was a great shot but ultimately a lucky rebound. We’re not shit, we’re average, as with most mid table teams, some not so great players, a lot of average ones and some very good ones.
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Because VAR owed them one for Arteta whinging all week about theirs last weekend...
How different was it to the McGinn goal at their place a couple of years that was disallowed because Barkley was in front of the gk?
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It’s not, it’s exactly the same. This has been happening every week with VAR since its inception, inconsistencies all the time, I hate it. Bin it off until you can introduce competent officials.
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I’m still reeling from the result.
I was ecstatic when we were 2-1 up, relatively resigned to the draw with a bit of hope for some last minute magic, and then…
Reading this, I realise the result didn’t really reflect the game but unfortunately it’s what denies us the points.
Hoping for Unai’s plans to come to fruition soon.
And very glad our Tyrone is back!
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It’s not, it’s exactly the same. This has been happening every week with VAR since its inception, inconsistencies all the time, I hate it. Bin it off until you can introduce competent officials.
That’s what I thought. It just depends on the club in question. A decision goes against arsenal last week and there’s a national inquest where the head of the PGMOL contacts arsenal directly to apologise and sacks an official. This week…probably not so much
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I do wonder if that's offside, although these days, who knows as they seem to make it up as they go along. Knowing VAR if they checked it they drew the line on Ramsdale.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpQctqpXwAAqTeE?format=jpg&name=small)
There it is
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Ollie has just said it all on motd. He said we do the hard work to get a lead and then throw away the game and that he’s seen it too often at Villa.
Very telling!
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McGinn, Luiz, Cash, Buendia, Mings, Watkins and Konsa. All have been here for long enough now and we've never threatened the top half of the table.
These players are quality! They're so good newly promoted Fulham have 10 more points than us and are one win from being in the top 4. No doubts Willian was too old, on big wages and past it for us. Oh well...
Joao Paulinha is exactly the type of player we still lack in central midfield imo. Him alongside Kamara and we'd be a very difficult team to break down off the ball.
One of the signings of the season there. Think they signed him for similar fee to what we got Dendoncker for.
I can't believe we signed Dendoncker.
Fuck me, who did the scouting for that one?
I guess that’s why we didn’t just sign any fucker in the last hours of the January window.
Great post and hits the nail on head. Can't have it both ways.
I instantly thought of that topic seeing Arsenal's January signing make the difference for them. I had a little chuckle to myself.
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If Martínez's view really was obstructed, he's the first player I'd expect to appeal for it yet he didn't say a thing.
Surprised (Impressed in a way - as if such things are beneath us) not to see any mention of Tom Hanks first attendance as a Villa fan and equally disappointed that the MOTD highlights didn't cut to his great celebration when Ollie scored the opener.
I was watching the game with my Dad, a Gooner, and reminded him that Watkins had also scored after five minutes in the corresponding game two years ago.Unlike that day, both of us were pretty sure that there'd be further goals.
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We are mid table team I get it, but we’ve just shipped 11 goals in three games are we all supposed to be content with our lot, because I’m not happy when we lose, when it’s three on the trot is that acceptable? To the players managers and the poor suffering support.
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We certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
[/quoYeWe certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
Yep, I actually started to yesterday (he sounds like the same guy you had!). I mean, if people want to turn up and say or do nothing, then so be it. But don't be turning round shaking your head just because I berate the ref or one of the opposition players or because my lad has a view on the game.
Spoils the game though, just don't want the hassle, esp for my lad.
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
Absolutely correct. Despite his time wasting, his poor kicking etc, he’s world class and I would argue our only world class player. Right there is where you start to build a genuine top quality team
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Surprised (Impressed in a way - as if such things are beneath us) not to see any mention of Tom Hanks first attendance as a Villa fan and equally disappointed that the MOTD highlights didn't cut to his great celebration when Ollie scored the opener.
Even though we lost he said he really enjoyed the day and hopes to be back in a few weeks for the Forest game.
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I have erased this one from my mind. Plus the fact that since Friday I have had MC Miker and DJ Sven doing the Holiday Rap on the old internal jukebox so it's easier (although quite annoying now).
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
All. All of their fans are fucking helmets. Like lesta, anybody that thinks one of their supporters is 'alright' needs to have a fucking good look at themselves.
At a quick count I know at least 10 who are more than ‘alright’ and I’ve had a good look at myself. Will you round me up with them?
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Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.
Absolutely correct. Despite his time wasting, his poor kicking etc, he’s world class and I would argue our only world class player. Right there is where you start to build a genuine top quality team
World class. sure. The best there is? - not with his distribution.
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Well whether you think he is or not he is absolutely the only player at Villa who is anywhere near that conversation.
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We are mid table team I get it, but we’ve just shipped 11 goals in three games are we all supposed to be content with our lot, because I’m not happy when we lose, when it’s three on the trot is that acceptable? To the players managers and the poor suffering support.
It’s difficult to win matches when your main CB Mings puts is on the plate for opposition to score week in week out.
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We are mid table team I get it, but we’ve just shipped 11 goals in three games are we all supposed to be content with our lot, because I’m not happy when we lose, when it’s three on the trot is that acceptable? To the players managers and the poor suffering support.
It’s difficult to win matches when your main CB Mings puts is on the plate for opposition to score week in week out.
Yeah, he was shocking for the Man City goals last week
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Ollie has just said it all on motd. He said we do the hard work to get a lead and then throw away the game and that he’s seen it too often at Villa.
Very telling!
It’s very hard on Ollie. His last 3 goals, and scoring goals is the most difficult thing, have been wasted through school boy defensive errors. It’s awfully painful that we have a regular scorer and yet we can not benefit from that.
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Tom Ross reporting on the game on Irish radio yesterday seems to have fallen in love with the same cockneys he used to slate on Birmingham local radio not so long ago. He couldn’t even bring himself to say much positive about Villa, describing Ollie’s goal only as “against the run of play”...We’d only played 5 minutes, not even long enough to take the wrapper off any “run of play” notions.
Still I suppose his current paymasters (in association with sky) probably insist that he suck up to the 6 that they only really care about and he’s a willing puppet.
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We lost to a much better team with better players than we have. The scoreline flattered them though. I like the way we play and with a few better players we’ll win games like this.
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We certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
[/quoYeWe certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
Yep, I actually started to yesterday (he sounds like the same guy you had!). I mean, if people want to turn up and say or do nothing, then so be it. But don't be turning round shaking your head just because I berate the ref or one of the opposition players or because my lad has a view on the game.
Spoils the game though, just don't want the hassle, esp for my lad.
Mate, that bloke and his merry band of bores are fucking rubbish.
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It worries me that we're giving new contracts to the likes of Mings if we seriously want to challenge the top half of the table.
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We certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
[/quoYeWe certainly had our moments today against the team at the top, much better than last year when we were pathetically passive. But, we just can’t keep gifting goals like we do and expect anything against anyone.
The first two are an absolute joke. How many times did they double up and take a quick corner while we fell asleep? If only we had a set piece coach to specifically sort out these issues. I liked the look of Duran when he came on, he may be raw, but he’s willing and confident. As mentioned before, the script always seemed set, we expected they’d get a winner and so it proves.
On another note, we’ll be looking to move seats in the summer. The three new people in front of us are ruining games and I’m going to end up getting in trouble. They stand motionless all game, don’t support, sing or clap. What they do is turn round and shake their heads if they hear swearing or something they don’t agree with.
My lad has social anxiety problems and the football is one avenue where he feels comfortable and able to get involved. I swear if that turd in front turns around and looks at him one more time, he’ll wish he hadn’t.
When the ST’s increased in price, we lost the three good people in front and got Roger Neuveau and family.
Had this in the past, guy with his teenager son who thought he was at the theatre, ended up reporting me to the steward for telling an opposition player to fuck off :-X
Don't move, just make him as uncomfortable as he tries to make you every time he turns around.
Yep, I actually started to yesterday (he sounds like the same guy you had!). I mean, if people want to turn up and say or do nothing, then so be it. But don't be turning round shaking your head just because I berate the ref or one of the opposition players or because my lad has a view on the game.
Spoils the game though, just don't want the hassle, esp for my lad.
Mate, that bloke and his merry band of bores are fucking rubbish.
Start a fuck em up get in to them chant every 10 minutes.
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A massive water pistol, sprayed, or a poisonous insect dropped down their backs would soon solve their lack of energy
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
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It worries me that we're giving new contracts to the likes of Mings if we seriously want to challenge the top half of the table.
Possibly keeps any fee on the higher side rather than a reduced rate because of an expiring contract. The majority of the players should think they’re not exempt from being shown the exit door.
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Yes my thoughts aswell.
Still purring about Coutinho's goal!
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
Ha, I like that, it’s just reinforces my perception of what all Arsenal fans are like. It wouldn’t take much imagination to think of him supporting an alternative team last season when they weren’t doing well.
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Yeah, the third goal was unfortunate and the last goal made it look worse than it was. I thought 2-2 would have been a fair result overall.
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Yes my thoughts aswell.
Still purring about Coutinho's goal!
Same here, great game and in stark contrast to some of the sterile stuff served up by Gerrard’s teams.
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Some more players are going to get shipped out in the summer. Squad needs a rebuild. Arsenal as an example - it took them 2/3 seasons to rebuild to this stage and lots of money. Villa went toe to toe with them yesterday and they got lucky. Anyone expecting a quick return to the top 6 and Europe needs to cool their jets, it’s going to take ages yet.
And in any case, now that the Qatari government are going to be running Manchester United, we may as well all just pull up deckchairs anyway, it’s not exactly a competition anymore.
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Yes my thoughts aswell.
Still purring about Coutinho's goal!
Same here, great game and in stark contrast to some of the sterile stuff served up by Gerrard’s teams.
Watching that goal again excites me for the future for us.
Emery is clearly frustrated with our lack of ability to keep possession and the team as a whole will improve with his experience and his dedicated ambition for us to succeed along with additional players of course.
It's just not going to happen overnight and he's trying to turn around years (decades) of a Villa side turning over the ball needlessly to opponents.
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I thought we were hanging on since we went 2 1 and then was battered in the second half.
We struggled to put more than 3 passes together after the break. I was surprised he didn’t do more to help out Moreno as Saka was their main threat the whole game.
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Because VAR owed them one for Arteta whinging all week about theirs last weekend...
How different was it to the McGinn goal at their place a couple of years that was disallowed because Barkley was in front of the gk?
The difference?
The crest.
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It looked to me like a clear plan to overload Moreno and then drag him centrally, Sako then hugs the touch line and then gets the long diagonal, he then attacks 1v1. We might have been a little fortunate that, goal aside, not a lot went right for him and he wasted some great positions.
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It worries me that we're giving new contracts to the likes of Mings if we seriously want to challenge the top half of the table.
This.
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It looked to me like a clear plan to overload Moreno and then drag him centrally, Sako then hugs the touch line and then gets the long diagonal, he then attacks 1v1. We might have been a little fortunate that, goal aside, not a lot went right for him and he wasted some great positions.
It was, Odegard took a position between the arse players in possession and Saka,then at the right time moved to create the passing Lane.
It was clever stuff.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
Ha, I like that, it’s just reinforces my perception of what all Arsenal fans are like. It wouldn’t take much imagination to think of him supporting an alternative team last season when they weren’t doing well.
"Villa fans need to go back to Burminum..."
...while standing in Birmingham.
Stupid fucking cockerney bellend.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
Ha, I like that, it’s just reinforces my perception of what all Arsenal fans are like. It wouldn’t take much imagination to think of him supporting an alternative team last season when they weren’t doing well.
"Villa fans need to go back to Burminum..."
...while standing in Birmingham.
Stupid fucking cockerney bellend.
He's not even liked by Arsenal supporters.
I did see him before the game yesterday walking towards the away entrance and there didn't seem much interest in the guy by any gooners.
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Spot on mate.
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Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Yep, refs aren't buying it and are unlikely to be impressed by the whinging either. Thought Buendia caused Arsenal huge problems in the first half, mind. Does need to protect possession better at times like Grealish used to.
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
That's a yellow at worst.
Andy bloody Townshend. What are you talking about?
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
None of ours in the ref’s face, nobody berating Saka, seemingly little outrage on our bench. We need to look at mentality as much as ability in the summer signings.
A bit tangential, but I remember ripping the piss out my nose mate over Robbie Savage. He said I was right, he can’t play, but he transformed the team by showing the other players how to think.
It’s why I want/wanted us to buy Guendouzi so much.
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Arsenal deserved to win, but God some of their fans are utter helmets......
https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1626988527144632320?t=H2XFruFS7BQAaYkkAMlusg&s=19
Ha, I like that, it’s just reinforces my perception of what all Arsenal fans are like. It wouldn’t take much imagination to think of him supporting an alternative team last season when they weren’t doing well.
"Villa fans need to go back to Burminum..."
...while standing in Birmingham.
Stupid fucking cockerney bellend.
He's not even liked by Arsenal supporters.
I did see him before the game yesterday walking towards the away entrance and there didn't seem much interest in the guy by any gooners.
Who is he?
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
I believe the referee that made the wrong decision against them last week has been removed from working in the Premier League for the foreseeable future. Theres no way any decisions like that are going to go against them for the rest of the season.
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Along with Ollie scoring yet again, the biggest plus yesterday was probably it looks like Phil might be getting back to his, thought his goal was class, though it would be good to see him, play the full 90 mins on a more regular basis, only done it once this season at Leeds.
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Son just mentioned about the short corner goal,he saying arsenal player in off side position by corner flag? just watching it on MOTD and it looks it
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
His nand in Couthino’s goal was absolute class. He didn’t have a great game overall but he certainly isn’t shit.
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Well I thought it was a fantastic game, really open end to end game with both sides going for it. Our final big chance hits the bar and stays out, theirs goes in. We matched a team top of the league. Much to be impressed by, much to improve on.
Such a shame all their goals looked avoidable.
Yep, I’m happy that I got my money’s worth yesterday - went through the full spectrum of emotions in 90 mins. And the atmosphere in the Upper Holte was great for the entire game.
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Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt...
... apart from his assist for Phil's goal yesterday, you mean?
Yes, he is too easily muscled off the ball and some of his passing is probably a little ambitious but I personally think he's better than 'shit'.
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Son just mentioned about the short corner goal,he saying arsenal player in off side position by corner flag? just watching it on MOTD and it looks it
Well Son would say that, being a Spurs player.
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Nah, Buendia is not shit. Maybe he gets knocked off the ball a little too easy and could do with adding a few more goals to his game but he's not shit.
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
His step-over for Coutinho's goal was worth the proverbial admission fee alone. I haven't seen us do that trick since the Hendrie and Angel link-up days but you probably thought they were shite too.
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
That's a yellow at worst.
Andy bloody Townshend. What are you talking about?
I've gone right off Andy Townsend since he left his video van and started co commentating.
He's fucking rubbish.
Saka is a cheating little shit. He's Arsenal's Grealish and I thought yesterday that he was a cocky prick. Didn't like being tackled. Fuck him
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I thought Saka was great for them yesterday, first half especially.
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I thought Saka was great for them yesterday, first half especially.
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I agree with that part, also :D
Still, what a prick
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I wondered at the time how this didn't warrant a card but seeing this...
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1627263298298060802?t=NZ6wsLPmWTdrver4aqn4Ww&s=19
Yeah but saka gets no protection from refs.
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
His step-over for Coutinho's goal was worth the proverbial admission fee alone. I haven't seen us do that trick since the Hendrie and Angel link-up days but you probably thought they were shite too.
Awesome. He manages to pull off a trick once every 37 games. Well worth £30+ million.
The odd trick aside, he is shit. He is consistently shit. Consistently offers nothing creativity wise. Consistently offers nothing goals wise. Consistently offers nothing assists wise. Consistently does nothing other than give the ball away or fall over with his hands in the air.
But he managed to not touch the ball in the build up to a goal, so all is forgiven. ???
He is shit... Consistently.
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Ever since this I've thought Townsend was a twat
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Ever since this I've thought Townsend was a twat
Where on earth did he get a slice of the ball??
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Genuine question: why does our press seem so ineffective compared to nearly everyone ego you against? We rarely keep up sustained pressure that leads to errors by our opponents (such as we saw Arsenal do yesterday, but it happens against lesser teams, too), yet it seems like nearly every team we play pressures us and we crap ourselves. Most would agree that we have a striker who presses with verve, but what is missing that causes us to be on the back foot because we struggle to recover the ball in the opponents half?
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Regardless of who our manager is, can anyone recall the last time we played well in both halves of a match? Don’t know if it’s all in the mind of the players or just that we aren’t fit enough to play high tempo throughout 90 minutes.
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Genuine question: why does our press seem so ineffective compared to nearly everyone ego you against? We rarely keep up sustained pressure that leads to errors by our opponents (such as we saw Arsenal do yesterday, but it happens against lesser teams, too), yet it seems like nearly every team we play pressures us and we crap ourselves. Most would agree that we have a striker who presses with verve, but what is missing that causes us to be on the back foot because we struggle to recover the ball in the opponents half?
we are so crap at it, noticed the different even when Bailey come on it got worse
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Matty Cash's problem was summed up late in the game when Bailey was attacking with the ball, Cash overlapped and was played the ball --with everyone in the box, he again crossed woefully to an area outside the box, Arsenal picked the ball up and they were away!
The goals against is down to a poor defence, that has been obvious for a while. Moreno is a much welcome addition to left-back, but we need the other 3.
Martinez can go as he takes far too many risks playing out ( his time wasting is just boring and embarassing) and he seemed to keep aiming for a bloke in the first row of the Doug Ellis during the 2nd half rather than Moreno!
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
His step-over for Coutinho's goal was worth the proverbial admission fee alone. I haven't seen us do that trick since the Hendrie and Angel link-up days but you probably thought they were shite too.
Awesome. He manages to pull off a trick once every 37 games. Well worth £30+ million.
The odd trick aside, he is shit. He is consistently shit. Consistently offers nothing creativity wise. Consistently offers nothing goals wise. Consistently offers nothing assists wise. Consistently does nothing other than give the ball away or fall over with his hands in the air.
But he managed to not touch the ball in the build up to a goal, so all is forgiven. ???
He is shit... Consistently.
"I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate" etc.
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Genuine question: why does our press seem so ineffective compared to nearly everyone ego you against? We rarely keep up sustained pressure that leads to errors by our opponents (such as we saw Arsenal do yesterday, but it happens against lesser teams, too), yet it seems like nearly every team we play pressures us and we crap ourselves. Most would agree that we have a striker who presses with verve, but what is missing that causes us to be on the back foot because we struggle to recover the ball in the opponents half?
Because the whole team isn't doing it.
Pressing people isn't just about chasing down the man on the ball. Its about closing down the options for the man on the ball at the same time. If he has nobody to pass to, then it makes it easier for the person pressing to either win the ball or make the man on the ball make a mistake.
But if the whole team, or at least 75% of it doesn't close down the passing avenues, then all we have is Ollie Watkins wearing himself out pointlessly sprinting after the ball as it gets pinged about at will.
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
Buendia is shit.
Short, weak, all the control & balance of a penguin & the vision of a sloth.
He is a waste of a shirt.
His step-over for Coutinho's goal was worth the proverbial admission fee alone. I haven't seen us do that trick since the Hendrie and Angel link-up days but you probably thought they were shite too.
Awesome. He manages to pull off a trick once every 37 games. Well worth £30+ million.
The odd trick aside, he is shit. He is consistently shit. Consistently offers nothing creativity wise. Consistently offers nothing goals wise. Consistently offers nothing assists wise. Consistently does nothing other than give the ball away or fall over with his hands in the air.
But he managed to not touch the ball in the build up to a goal, so all is forgiven. ???
He is shit... Consistently.
"I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate" etc.
Fair play to your reaction mate.
After re-reading my post it does come across a bit shirty.
I apologise. Its not my intention to have a go at fellow fans who only want what they think is best for the club we all love.
I am just so frustrated with us at the moment.
Still have that feeling of anger towards the game & every event in it, especially that bell piece official over 24 hours later. I am sick to death of Villa ruining my weekends...
But I didnt mean to be shirty towards you, so I humbly apologise...
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Matty Cash's problem was summed up late in the game when Bailey was attacking with the ball, Cash overlapped and was played the ball --with everyone in the box, he again crossed woefully to an area outside the box, Arsenal picked the ball up and they were away!
The goals against is down to a poor defence, that has been obvious for a while. Moreno is a much welcome addition to left-back, but we need the other 3.
Martinez can go as he takes far too many risks playing out ( his time wasting is just boring and embarassing) and he seemed to keep aiming for a bloke in the first row of the Doug Ellis during the 2nd half rather than Moreno!
Cash's ball for the Watkins goal was brilliant though.
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We did well for large parts of the game and played some really nice football. Watkins looks good again. Bailey unlucky with Ramsdale pulling off a great save. Duran showing plenty of promise.
They scored a fluke off Martinez's head. The last goal was just one of those things that we won't see again. (Emery's comments appeared to me to show that he hadn't previously said not to go up, but that he has now), I noted that Bailey made no attempt to chase back and I think he could and should have . Their first was a great finish, and I'm still in two minds about Mings' header, should be have sent it out and conceded a corner? Hindsight says yes of course. The one that pissed me off was the Zinchenko goal that replicated Stevenage. Garbage and so annoying that it was allowed to happen again.
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When you have a goalkeeper who is quite happy and competent to catch the ball. Why do we have 11 men in the box. Put 2 on the halfway line, they will have 3 markers. It stops the snipers outside the box like yesterday.
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When you have a goalkeeper who is quite happy and competent to catch the ball. Why do we have 11 men in the box. Put 2 on the halfway line, they will have 3 markers. It stops the snipers outside the box like yesterday.
even one on the halfway line, it's taking two to mark him,it puzzles me why we don't do it
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Matty Cash's problem was summed up late in the game when Bailey was attacking with the ball, Cash overlapped and was played the ball --with everyone in the box, he again crossed woefully to an area outside the box, Arsenal picked the ball up and they were away!
The goals against is down to a poor defence, that has been obvious for a while. Moreno is a much welcome addition to left-back, but we need the other 3.
Martinez can go as he takes far too many risks playing out ( his time wasting is just boring and embarassing) and he seemed to keep aiming for a bloke in the first row of the Doug Ellis during the 2nd half rather than Moreno!
Cash's ball for the Watkins goal was brilliant though.
Indeed. And not just the ball, but also the fact that he robbed the ball from Zinchenko in the right-back position, burst away from him over twenty yards into midfield and then dropped a peach of a ball into Watkins' run. If that had been Alexander-Arnold they'd have been creaming themselves over it on MOTD.
I still think his crossing is generally poor, but you have to also give credit where it's due, and his assist yesterday was absolutely brilliant.
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I thought it was a good match but obviously extremely disappointed with the result.
Yes Mings could have done better with his header and probably should have put it behind for a corner.I know it wouldn't have counted but his clearance of the line was something else. At the moment we are better with him than without him so the new contract makes sense.
Buendia is an enigma for me, I wish he would cut out the going down too easily followed by throwing his hands in the air while the opposition are then carrying the ball forward.
That’s basically where I am with this.
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When you have a goalkeeper who is quite happy and competent to catch the ball. Why do we have 11 men in the box. Put 2 on the halfway line, they will have 3 markers. It stops the snipers outside the box like yesterday.
Oh yes!!
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Just watched the re-run on motd. It was a great game for the neutral as they say but gut wrenching to lose in the way we did. Watching their 4th when Emi went awol it occurred to me that giving Digne the corner on that side was a big mistake. Because it's an outswinger it just needed a defender to head it out and the break was on. Surely a right footer making it an in swinging corner was the way to go? Still we will learn. I've a feeling Unai Emery will have quite a lot to say to them about those two injury time goals.
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They dominated the second half and were much the better team. We can look at highlights where we broke away and looked dangerous but i'm sad to say we have a long way to go. Our ball retention is hopeless and most of that realistcally is down to the quality of player we have. Hopefully we have a good trading period in the summer.
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They dominated the second half and were much the better team. We can look at highlights where we broke away and looked dangerous but i'm sad to say we have a long way to go.
I agree they were much better second half, we allowed Jorginho to get the ball and spray it out wide at will, Saka, Odegaard and White tripled up on our left all through the second half. I'm a massive Emery fan but I kept waiting for him to make a change to put somebody on Jorginho and shore up our left to negate this but unfortunately he didn't.
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They dominated the second half and were much the better team. We can look at highlights where we broke away and looked dangerous but i'm sad to say we have a long way to go.
I agree they were much better second half, we allowed Jorginho to get the ball and spray it out wide at will, Saka, Odegaard and White tripled up on our left all through the second half. I'm a massive Emery fan but I kept waiting for him to make a change to put somebody on Jorginho and shore up our left to negate this but unfortunately he didn't.
Just as I saw it, the main tactic was to get Saka 1 on 1 and we did nothing to stop this. I was expecting Emery to do something but he didn’t.
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I was waiting for Sawiris to run into the Holte and deputise a few fans who knew what to do to counter Arsenal but unfortunately he didn't.
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I was waiting for Sawiris to run into the Holte and deputise a few fans who knew what to do to counter Arsenal but unfortunately he didn't.
Perhaps he was too busy demonstrating how to open a can and pour it into a glass.
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Had a look in on an Arsenal forum. Something I do to get the away fans perspective also I'm a bit masochistic. What a bunch of tit for tat pricks!! They hate Unai Emery and they detest Martinez presumably because he chose being first choice keeper with us over second string obscurity with them. I mean how could anyone choose crappy little Aston Villa over the mighty Arse? Which reminds me they call us Aston Virgina which I guess must be tit for tat for us calling them The Arse. And finally someone posted a podcast done outside the North Stand which featured a little black guy with his red and white scarf frothing at the mouth with vitriol towards us. He hopes we get relegated and we should go back to Birninhum. OK then. Weirdos.
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I think with Martinez it's more that he had a couple of not so subtle digs at them after he left. He didn't really need to, but Emi being Emi and all that...
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When you have a goalkeeper who is quite happy and competent to catch the ball. Why do we have 11 men in the box. Put 2 on the halfway line, they will have 3 markers. It stops the snipers outside the box like yesterday.
Oh yes!!
let them worry about us a bit
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I think with Martinez it's more that he had a couple of not so subtle digs at them after he left. He didn't really need to, but Emi being Emi and all that...
Even so he played a big part in the only trophy they've won for last 6 seasons.
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I think with Martinez it's more that he had a couple of not so subtle digs at them after he left. He didn't really need to, but Emi being Emi and all that...
Even so he played a big part in the only trophy they've won for last 6 seasons.
Ah trophies! This one was well after I was born you know!
(https://i.ibb.co/HDyNYJX/avfccouk.jpg)
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The best photo ever taken at Villa Park. Just beautiful.
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Nah, it needs a couple of photocopiers in the front row
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Nah, it needs a couple of photocopiers in the front row
Or a couple of pints for this one.
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Nah, it needs a couple of photocopiers in the front row
Oh yes.Mita Copiers.
Bit of a sea change from the biggest club award on offer to affordable photo copiers!
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Some amazing volume in those hairstyles. And that was years before Pantene Pro-V and all that shite. Shane MacGowan washed his hair in Guinness and it stayed thick. I wonder what Williams (? - middle row far right) and the blonde bombshell next to him used.
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Yeh but could any of them speak Spanish?
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Some amazing volume in those hairstyles. And that was years before Pantene Pro-V and all that shite. Shane MacGowan washed his hair in Guinness and it stayed thick. I wonder what Williams (? - middle row far right) and the blonde bombshell next to him used.
Was there any shampoo other than Vosene back then? It's all we we ever seemed to have when I was a kid.
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Correction on MacGowan:
I’m going to have hair until I die. I don’t wash it — only in Tipperary water. It keeps growing. I can’t stop it. But you know they sell all those lotions to cure you of baldness, yeah? They don’t work. There is only one way to cure baldness. You pour Guinness over your head, collect it in a bucket, and drink it in the morning. That’s called hair of the dog. It’s proven to work.
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Some amazing volume in those hairstyles. And that was years before Pantene Pro-V and all that shite. Shane MacGowan washed his hair in Guinness and it stayed thick. I wonder what Williams (? - middle row far right) and the blonde bombshell next to him used.
Our current blonde bombshell in the Villa is Douglas Luiz.
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It's a shame the Edgar Froese signing never worked out.
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As I become very old and hormonally non existent I begin to understand why my sister was madly in love with Gary Shaw.
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As I become very old and hormonally non existent I begin to understand why my sister was madly in love with Gary Shaw.
I would hazard a guess and surmise she didn't feel the same about Ian Ormondroyd
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The best photo ever taken at Villa Park. Just beautiful.
Completely agree
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Nah it was the long range photo taken in the centre circle of Jordan Veretout signing. And he could have gone to Leicester.
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When you have a goalkeeper who is quite happy and competent to catch the ball. Why do we have 11 men in the box. Put 2 on the halfway line, they will have 3 markers. It stops the snipers outside the box like yesterday.
even one on the halfway line, it's taking two to mark him,it puzzles me why we don't do it
Percy explained it to me the other week. Then again, he's a lot cleverer than I am.
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It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.
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Yeh but could any of them speak Spanish?
I heard Antonio Bartonelli was fluent Italian speaker.
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Yeh but could any of them speak Spanish?
I heard Antonio Bartonelli was fluent Italian speaker.
Why always me?
Per'ché sempre io?
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This might have been discussed earlier but how on earth was it deemed not offside for interfering with play with 2 Arsenal players in front of Emi for their winning goal? Didn’t we have a goal disallowed for the same reason at their place a couple of years back?
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List of Emi Martinez time wasting vs Arsenal. (Unofficial)
https://thetopflight.com/2023/02/20/arsenal-time-emiliano-martinez-wasted/
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It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.
Agree wholeheartedly, Olaftab. It most certainly could be bollox. ;)
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List of Emi Martinez time wasting vs Arsenal. (Unofficial)
https://thetopflight.com/2023/02/20/arsenal-time-emiliano-martinez-wasted/
Hand ball (Don't know the correct term)
Nothing to see here. Must try harder. D+
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Its the 52 seconds and then booked that irks me.
Already had done some delaying.
Do that right at the end of a game if at all.
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The best photo ever taken at Villa Park. Just beautiful.
Completely agree
Not quite, they needed to be centralised with the Holte !
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
Jordan and MON on Villa Arsenal and Unai and Martinez
(12min total) Scroll to 5min for Villa, Emery and views
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Can't stand MON, he's got nothing to say that would interest me. Emery should also learn when and not to open his mouth. What exactly does he think Martinez has to 'learn' from going up in the 98th minute whilst 3-2 down? It's Emery that needs to 'learn' not Martinez. If he's trying to push Martinez out the door, I get it. Where's Neil Cutler when you need him?
For all the money Emery earns, you'd think he could afford a watch that works. He talks about Emi going up for the corner on 92 minutes.. 'learn' to tell the bloody time.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.
Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.
Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.
I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.
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It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.
but I don't see us springing into attack
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.
Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.
I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.
I thought the bench we named last weekend was the strongest I recall since we came back to the PL. Bar centre back and GK, we had decent quality across all other positions. Moreno is far better than Augustinson and Duran is a very exciting addition up front. Digne, Duran, Dendocker, Bailey, Ramsey - some struggling for form right now but there aren't many PL clubs bringing on that level of quality most weeks, likes of Young and Traore not even seeing game time and Carlos to come back still.
We have a tactical problem trying to accommodate 2 of Coutinho/Bailey/Buendia against better teams as it leaves Moreno/Digne very exposed and light in midfield. I still think Ramsey could get back in on the left side with his athleticism and give us better balance at times. But his work with and without the ball needs improvement.
I know it's three losses in a row but with the group we have I think we can finish the season strongly. I really liked some of Emery's selections last week (Cash, Coutinho, McGinn all in from the cold somewhat and delivered) but in game tactical switches need to be more proactive.
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Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.
I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.
It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.
Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.
I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.
I thought the bench we named last weekend was the strongest I recall since we came back to the PL. Bar centre back and GK, we had decent quality across all other positions. Moreno is far better than Augustinson and Duran is a very exciting addition up front. Digne, Duran, Dendocker, Bailey, Ramsey - some struggling for form right now but there aren't many PL clubs bringing on that level of quality most weeks, likes of Young and Traore not even seeing game time and Carlos to come back still.
We have a tactical problem trying to accommodate 2 of Coutinho/Bailey/Buendia against better teams as it leaves Moreno/Digne very exposed and light in midfield. I still think Ramsey could get back in on the left side with his athleticism and give us better balance at times. But his work with and without the ball needs improvement.
I know it's three losses in a row but with the group we have I think we can finish the season strongly. I really liked some of Emery's selections last week (Cash, Coutinho, McGinn all in from the cold somewhat and delivered) but in game tactical switches need to be more proactive.
Are we in danger of overrating some of our players? For many this is their third manager whilst at Villa. And unlike with Gerrard, I think we can trust Emery’s judgement and that he’ll be getting as much out of them as possible. Us not being consistent for 90 mins is not a new thing.
Duran has looked good in his cameos off the bench but it’s very different to starting a match and leading the line or having to be our main striker if Watkins gets injured or suspended. Central midfield I think is the strongest we’ve had in a decade, but after that I think we’re short in all other places, perhaps left back aside as you mentioned. The final months of the season should be the last chance saloon for a number of our players. If they take it then fair enough and it’ll be great but I suspect what we’ll get is more of what seen before and that is, that our players are inconsistent and when they’re not playing or come off the bench we’ll think they’re decent. But as soon as they start a game we’ll realise why they were on the bench.
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Agree Leon, there is definitely a tendency to over rate our players but that is normal. In the cold light of day we have too many performances of 5 or 6 out of 10 and some even manage to regularly dip below that.
There is the infrequent 7 or 8 out of 10 performance, what you need is most of the team hitting 7 / 10 most of the time. The only ones I think can do that Young Luiz Kamara Maybe Moreno?
The centre of defence is a mess and has been all season with the odd few exceptions.
That’s why I think the rebuilding job is huge and I don’t see how we are getting out of mid table mediocrity any time soon.
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There's a balance. Sometimes they are overrated, others on here think they're all shit.
They are all decent players, the question as always is can they do what's needed. We've had too much disruption of late with the change of manager.
Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
There's been some amusing attempts at justification on twitter too, especially regarding the McGinn goal that was disallowed in the same circumstances a couple of years back, and that was more questionable as the keeper was never getting near it in a million years.
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
Yep, can't remember the presenter's name but even he had a look in his face that said 'wanker'
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
This exactly. Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late. Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong
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It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.
but I don't see us springing into attack
We do try but when the ball lands at Leon's feet it somehow becomes totally uncontrollable and finds the nearest opposition defender without any delay.
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
This exactly. Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late. Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong
I think Gallagher's basic conclusion was "each and every ref just makes their own rules up"...little Aston Villa being on the end of so many of these "interpretations" against the "top" clubs simply confirms that that is EXACTLY what they do!
Stephen Warnock got it absolutely right....were they in an offside position? Yes. Were they active (moving)? Yes. Then they are offside!
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You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.
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You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.
That would still depend on which club you play for!
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You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.
That would still depend on which club you play for!
Well, there is that!
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You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.
Exactly.
Then they're not interfering with play.
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I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.
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I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.
I think the ridiculousness of the own goal was a distraction.
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Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.
I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?
1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes
This exactly. Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late. Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong
It’s worse than that, VAR got it wrong as well.
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... He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball ...
That's the point: he'd needed clear sight of the ball-striker to get near it and - because it was coming from a long way out - he would probably have saved it, tipping round the post. His vision was impaired by 2 players so he saw neither the strike nor the ball, the latter eventually coming through a crowd of defenders.
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It's not the players' job to appeal for stuff. It's up to the officials to apply the rules to the events....on too many occasions they simply don't. Several pundits said the same...that Martinez didn't appeal, yet criticise players for getting at the ref when they trying to appeal! Saka should have been booked for the challenge on Moreno, Nketiah should have been booked for simulation, Saka should have been booked for pushing opposition players after an incident. Only one of those happened.
The law is very clear on offside and obstructing the keeper's view. The referee didn't apply the law so VAR should have. It didn't.
Refs and VAR seem to be bending over backwards to use discretion and interpretation....that's why it's shit! Just apply the law.
Sorted.
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Maybe if we change our name to Villanchester United more VAR decisions would go our way!
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When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.
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When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.
well do the job and you won't get abuse,
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When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.
well do the job and you won't get abuse,
But that’s the point; they will. Arsenal’s 3 goal should have been disallowed. It wasn’t. Will there be a national inquest? No. Now compare that to the goal being disallowed after what happened last week…that’s the point.
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I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.
I think the ridiculousness of the own goal was a distraction.
Absolutely. It was offside and as clear an offside you will see all season. Martinez or anyone else on the pitch shouldn't have to chase the referees either, it was pretty clear.
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When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.
well do the job and you won't get abuse,
This is what is wrong with football culture and what has been mentioned previously on the thread. Abuse is not ok regardless of whether a decision was wrong. Saying it's ok to abuse them because they got it wrong filters down to the Sunday League game where referees are getting abused and have no protection against it. Don't be surprised that standards of refereeing are low when the referee pool is small and getting smaller because your average volunteer referee doesn't want to put themselves through it anymore
It's fine to have an opinion on how things can be better but abusing these people is plain wrong
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It's funny that they decry the players attitudes towards the refs but then on the same hand use it as one of the reasons not to give a decision because the players didn't surround or harangue him.
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I've been an amateur ref, and it's the most thankless, joyless task in the world, short of being Carol Vorderman's dry cleaner. Any abuse whatsoever is completely out of order. At the professional level though, it's a highly paid job like any other, and if you haven't got the competency to do it, then it' right that you should lose your job if your performance is consistently bad.
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It's funny that they decry the players attitudes towards the refs but then on the same hand use it as one of the reasons not to give a decision because the players didn't surround or harangue him.
Correct but it really is a case of if you can’t beat them, join them. I don’t like us or other teams doing but as the Southampton goal against us can testify it can make a difference. They shouldn’t need to but…
Again it’s the lack of consistency but I’d agree if anyone was going to complain about it, it would be Martinez irrespective of whether it hit him on the head or not.
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The truth is that going into last weeks games the narrative for the media; Sky/BBC/Talkshite. The Premier League and PGMOL was that Araenal had been robbed and mustn't suffer again. The excitement. anticipation and then joy when Araenal scored was overwhelming - so much so that no one was interested in whether there was a valid reason the goal shouldn't stand. Compare that to us at Old Trafford last year where we were subjected to "Did he handle it - No " was he offside" - No "was there anyone else in an offside position we can pin anything on" - YES glory be goal disallowed.
Clearly on Saturday it went "good shot" thank fuck for that! If they even bothered to ask the basic question "were any Arsenal players in an offside position we must conclude they decided yes but its only Villa - fuck em!
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I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.
Maybe he doesn't get to the shot anyway, the way it went in off his back was a complete fluke too. But two opposition players clearly offside in front of him and making no effort to get out of way are clearly impacting play. Maybe a lack of leadership on pitch as our senior players should have gone absolutely ballistic like they did at Southampton when the VAR decision went our way. That goal cost us a point.
That time with the McGinn goal at Arsenal that VAR disallowed Barkley, I think it was, clearly tries to jump out of the way and two keepers weren't getting to the shot anyway. I don't think we complained all that much at the time.
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... the most thankless, joyless task in the world, short of being Carol Vorderman's dry cleaner.
I have no idea what this is referring to, but it's intriguing.
Went completely over my head (which, from the context, I deduce is more than can be said for Carol).
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... the most thankless, joyless task in the world, short of being Carol Vorderman's dry cleaner.
I have no idea what this is referring to, but it's intriguing.
Went completely over my head (which, from the context, I deduce is more than can be said for Carol).
Can’t believe somebody of such long-standing has missed it!
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When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.
well do the job and you won't get abuse,
This is what is wrong with football culture and what has been mentioned previously on the thread. Abuse is not ok regardless of whether a decision was wrong. Saying it's ok to abuse them because they got it wrong filters down to the Sunday League game where referees are getting abused and have no protection against it. Don't be surprised that standards of refereeing are low when the referee pool is small and getting smaller because your average volunteer referee doesn't want to put themselves through it anymore
It's fine to have an opinion on how things can be better but abusing these people is plain wrong
they didn't get a abuse they get criticism, same with the players as well
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... the most thankless, joyless task in the world, short of being Carol Vorderman's dry cleaner.
I have no idea what this is referring to, but it's intriguing.
Went completely over my head (which, from the context, I deduce is more than can be said for Carol).
Can’t believe somebody of such long-standing has missed it!
I still think about that story every time she appears on the tele. It must be 10 years since I originally read it on here?
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... the most thankless, joyless task in the world, short of being Carol Vorderman's dry cleaner.
I have no idea what this is referring to, but it's intriguing.
Went completely over my head (which, from the context, I deduce is more than can be said for Carol).
Can’t believe somebody of such long-standing has missed it!
I still think about that story every time she appears on the tele. It must be 10 years since I originally read it on here?
Much longer ago than that, I reckon.
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I'm also in the dark re Vorderman.
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I'm also in the dark re Vorderman.
You'd want to be if you were the dry cleaner
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I am one of the people who immediately think of dry cleaning when Vorderman is mentioned, thanks to a post (by Chico Hamilton III, IIRC) back in the day.
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I'm also in the dark re Vorderman.
Here you go
The Vorderman story was one of mine, nothing like as funny as the Una Stubbs story though, I'm afraid.
An ex girlfriend of mine, her best mate was a student in London about 20+ years ago and worked part time in a dry cleaner's shop. One day Carol Vorderman came into the shop and left a light-coloured trouser suit to be cleaned. Obviously, the first thing the kids working in the shop did after she left was to "inspect" the keks and by all accounts the inside of her trousers resembled Silverstone after the start of an F1 race. Skidmarks everywhere. Celebrity skidmarks.
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Arsenal 3rd goal should be shown over and over again and our players must shown it ,and from now appeal against every goal we concede. Unsportsmanlike yes but we can’t rely on the referee to check var properly without us kicking up a fuss.