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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 07:03:21 PM
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I've been thinking for the rest of the season-Who will take the lead in taking penalties now that Ings has departed our premises?
Despite his prior mistakes, Watkins will likely want to accept the challenge and want to be the successor.
McGinn as captain may want it?
Those listed are the most likely candidates, but others include Ashley Young, Luca Digne, and Bertrand Traoré. Perhaps Kamara too?
I think I personally would like Ramsey or Douglas Luiz on them.
And Douglas Luiz probably my 1st choice. Ramsey second.
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Luiz for me too, Footy.
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Bet we don't make it out of page 1 before someone asks "Why doesn't B***y take them ? "
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Martinez!!!!
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Louie Barry
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Ashley Young.
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Emi Martinez
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Young.
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Olsen
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Ashley Young
Kaden Young
Brad Young
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Ronnie O'Sullivan
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I've gone for Douglas Luiz as his set-piece work has improved over the last year or so (well corners anyway).
Whoever they give it to, I hope they realise that crossing their fingers while running up and smashing it very hard isn't the only technique available for a successful outcome.
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Ashley Young
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JJ
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African Car Reverser
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Stan Lynn.
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Steve Staunton
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African Car Reverser
Beat me to it
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I never felt confident in Young on penalties during his first spell with us, I hated the little skip thing he did before hitting them. I think now I'd be alot more confident in him or Luiz.
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jedinak
if not I would give ramsey or luiz a go. Does really matter - we don't tend to win them
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Shaun Teale (Wimbledon penalty shoot out in 1993), Allan Evans - can't recall him missing one.
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Whoever appears best at them in training.
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I've voted Luiz but Ramsey is also a good shout. He's probably the player I would most trust in our team in a one on one, so I'd imagine he'd be decent at pens too.
Also Young would be a good shout whilst he's first choice fullback.
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They all have the skill to put a ball past a keeper from 12 yards so it is more a question of bottle / coolness under pressure
I would go for Kamara
Although i would always want my centre forward to be ripping the ball off the others as they should be hungry for every goal they can get
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Phil King.
"You Beauty!" :D
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I reckon it will be Bailey on the basis he can blather it. Really don't like left footed pen takers though.
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Stan Lynn.
Stan the Wham, if he was playing now, there would be no need to have a poll, imho our best penalty taker, over the last 66 years, also the first full back to score a hat trick in top flight football, it included 2 pens.
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Phil King.
"You Beauty!" :D
That was a great night. I loved the Inter Milan games.
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African Car Reverser
Beat me to it
It was Bert Traore all along!
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Of the 4 seasons back in the Prem the last 2 we currently have 100% record.
Danny Ings : 3 Pens 3 goals.
Season 21/22
4 Pens 4 goals. 100% record.
AEG: 2/2
Danny Ings: 1/1
Watkins 1/1
Season 20/21 6 Pens 5 goals 83% scored record
AEG: 4 Pens 4 Goals
Watkins 1/2 (50%)
Season 19/20 . 3 pens 1 goal
AEG 1/1
Grealish 0/1
Wesley 0/1
For Aston Villa Watkins has taken 3 penalties and scored 2
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Stan Lynn.
Stan the Wham, if he was playing now, there would be no need to have a poll, imho our best penalty taker, over the last 66 years, also the first full back to score a hat trick in top flight football, it included 2 pens.
Shaun Teale (Wimbledon penalty shoot out in 1993), Allan Evans - can't recall him missing one.
The top 5 scorers
Allan Evans and Eric Houghton scored the most penalties for Villa 22
Gareth Barry 18
Gordon Cowans 17
Harry Burrows and Stan Lynn 12
Of the best penalty takers who I expected to score in recent Prem times
Benteke, AEG and Ings all took great pens.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
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You read it here:
Today versus Leicester theres a good chance we'll get a penalty.
And score a Penalty. So chance to see who steps up.
Stats indicate that Watkins should be the one.
He's taken 3 penalties for Villa scored 2.
The official is Darren England.
Now, he has only officiated us once this season, when Villa defeated Brentford 4-0 and awarded us a penalty! Ings took that one.
Overall he had awarded us 5 penalties in 9 games, two in the Championship (Grabban and Adomah) and three in the Premier League. (Watkins x2 and Ings) all scored!
Watkins is 2 from 2 when Darren England awarding Villa pens.
I think it'll be Watkins taking the perhaps inevitable penalty today as hes always scored whenever this official has been in charge.
Up The Villa!!
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There's no such thing as an inevitable penalty, Footy. I hope you're right though.
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Whatever else we say about him his stats are great.
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
Really? He has taken 1 (one) penalty in his professional career, in 2013.
I suppose we can assume it was good because he scored it (for Lille in a 5-0 drubbing of Lorient).
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
Really? He has taken 1 (one) penalty in his professional career, in 2013.
I suppose we can assume it was good because he scored it (for Lille in a 5-0 drubbing of Lorient).
My mistake then. He takes a good free kick rather than a pen specialist!
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Once again Watkins proves he's hit the grass ceiling.
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I thought the way we took that penalty on Saturday was sublime.
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Turns out that penalty was evitable then.
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Versus Man City the Referee is Robert Jones.
Unfortunately Villa have never won in the Premier league when he has been in charge. All 4 times have lost. This season it was to Chelsea and Arsenal.
However he has awarded us 2 Penalties from 10 matches. Never given any against us.
Both penalties awarded in championship both scored. (By Tammy Abraham) suggests when he awards us a penalty we'll score!
They have both times been awarded at Villa Park
He was in charge for the epic 4-2 win over Birmingham!
And the epic 5-5 with Forest.
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Antony Taylor hadn't given us a penalty for 10 years!
And when he last did, it was against Everton!
Today, I am awarded one! Watkins stepped up and slammed it down the middle.
Buendía had the ball initially, but Watkins is the man for who is our chosen one!
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Well done for winning the penalty.
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FV did more than Bailey today, start him next game.
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FV did more than Bailey today, start him next game.
PWS you're sounding like a striker with that legendary name. You can go up top.
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You said you were all strikers yesterday, footy.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
He scored the second only a couple of minutes after O'Neill had got the first.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
He scored the second only a couple of minutes after O'Neill had got the first.
Am having a nice glass of wine and reading all about him now, mate.
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Interesting story about Harry there Dave.
He scored a penalty for us in my very first Villa game.
A 3-1 defeat, away at White Hart Lane in, I think, January 1964 and I didn't see it!
We were living in the East End of London and I'd badgered my Dad to take me. He agreed, but unfortunately, he was always a 'leave early to beat the crowds' type. The Villa were 3-nil down when we made our exit which was bad enough but, as we got outside, a muted roar told me that the away side had pulled one back.
60 years on and I never, ever leave a game before the end.
In fact, to emphasise the point, I'm often one of the last people to leave the bloody ground.
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Interesting story about Harry there Dave.
He scored a penalty for us in my very first Villa game.
A 3-1 defeat, away at White Hart Lane in, I think, January 1964 and I didn't see it!
We were living in the East End of London and I'd badgered my Dad to take me. He agreed, but unfortunately, he was always a 'leave early to beat the crowds' type. The Villa were 3-nil down when we made our exit which was bad enough but, as we got outside, a muted roar told me that the away side had pulled one back.
60 years on and I never, ever leave a game before the end.
In fact, to emphasise the point, I'm often one of the last people to leave the bloody ground.
Interestingly one of Spurs scorers that day was Derek Possee one of his 4 goals for the club before he moved on to Millwall then Palace & Orient.
As u can well imagine Jimmy Greaves also netted
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
I think it's called the aging process...lol
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
I think it's called the aging process...lol
True dat.
I vividly remember Lew Chatterley scoring a penalty in my first game at VP in late December 1966 against Sunderland. Willie Anderson scored one in my second visit, against Stoke. Won both games 2-1 after conceding the first goal.
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Dave W has told us the story of why Burrows left Villa (mainly due to the crushing ineptitude of the board).
The other half of the story was that in 1973, Stoke were looking to move Harry on. Vic Crowe and Ron Wylie were running Villa then and both had played with Burrows and knew how good he was. Harry was keen to link up with his old team and team-mates, as well as stay in the midlands.
The only problem was that the Stoke boss, Tony Waddington, didn't want Burrows doing well at Villa which might reflect badly on him, so he sold the player to Plymouth instead!!
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Having now seen Watkins had his pen saved in friendly and there had been specific discussions on penalty taking I thought best to bring the talk here for ease of following.
I'd try McGinn or Luiz on pens. Both pretty nailed on starters and good strikers of the ball. Maybe JJ once he's fit if he's holding down his place.
You can see why he wants to take them and why they have let him - a striker gains confidence by scoring goals. Maybe Watkins is the type of character that, more than most, needs the confidence/momentum from a scoring run to be at the top of his game.
Though it has to be getting close to the point where they think about a change or at least a back-up option. UTV.
Equally, he loses confidence when he misses. Down the middle is fine if it goes in. If it doesn't it's a shit pen. Should we get a pen v Newcastle we as fans will think 50/50 chance he'd score, some will think less than that. It should be 80/20 at least.
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Tielemans is the obvious choice, but - as PWS says - you'd expect a pecking order to exist and for it to be adhered to.
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Luiz is now the number one penalty taker clearly.
100% record.
Against West Ham I was sure he would score the pen
Have so much confidence in him when he steps up.
So that's 3 Penalties received this season and that would have been 3 more opportunities for goals for Watkins.
I think it recognised how good Douglas is at pens and as team player despite Watkins ambition to score 20+ goals the responsibility is with Douglas.
It's also pleasing there are no petty squabbles for penalty taking during the match.
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When Dougie takes penalties I'm so sure he will score that I don't even worry he will miss.
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So that's 3 Penalties received this season and that would have been 3 more opportunities for goals for Watkins.
And while I obviously adore Watkins, I'm very confident that those three opportunities would not have been three goals.
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Yes unfortunately I agree on Watkins penalties and credit the coaching staff, Ollie Watkins and the team to basically acknowledge Douglas is the one.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
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Doug’s a brilliant penalty taker, power and precision every time.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Watkins gave the ball to McGinn who carried it around for a bit while the VAR check happened. There was no uncertainty. Just a bit of the old Ashley Young stuff where he'd take the pressure away from the actual penalty taker.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
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Yep they’ve been doing that for a while, McGinn takes the ball to deal with all the gamesmanship and bullshit, Dougie stands to one side then when the ref is ready invariably after all the VAR bullshit, McGinn gives him the ball and off we go.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
That link to the Pundits panel on post thread seems to indicate Digne seemed to be questioning McGinn for it.
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I now worry more about VAR overruling the decision to award the penalty in the first place than I do Doug missing.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
That link to the Pundits panel on post thread seems to indicate Digne seemed to be questioning McGinn for it.
I magine at this point you'd have to cut Doug's arms off to take the ball off him for penalty duties. I was hoping he was going to get his hat trick with a direct corner and he wasn't far off.
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I never think Doug will miss.
I used to always think Ollie would miss.
For any top level team it's critical to have a secure penalty taker as you'll be getting plenty of them and Doug is showing already with his composure he can have a similar record to Gareth Barry or Milner when they were on penalties for us.
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ElGhazi was excellent. Doug is the only player since who gives me a similar sort of confidence.
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If its not broken, don't tinker with it.
Douglas Luiz has been scoring, so no other choice to me...
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You lot have gone and done it. He’s going to miss the next one now.
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Yeah some people just have It with the penalties. El Ghazi was definitely one of them, and Doug's another. Barry, (in)famously. Le Tissier of course was the best I've ever seen, would bury them with the force and inevitability of Bill Gates burying a microchip deep in your brain.
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If its not broken, don't tinker with it.
Douglas Luiz has been scoring, so no other choice to me...
Yep.
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I knew we had a topic on this, and of course it was the much missed FV that started it. Seeing as seems to be getting a bit of discussion on the Watkins thread thought might as well bump this. Could a moderator reset the poll, please?
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I genuinely have no idea, maybe a mid game raffle? You could have one of those toy bingo games on the side.
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Thank you friendly moderator. I've gone Rogers on the basis he's bound to get good again sooner or later. Hopefully.
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I genuinely have no idea, maybe a mid game raffle? You could have one of those toy bingo games on the side.
I'd tell the penalty taker to cross their fingers during the run-up then, if they miss, say "that wasn't the real penalty, I had my fingers crossed". Grab the ball and take the penalty again. Keep trying this until we score. Pretty simple really, surprised no other club has thought of it.
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Based on the state of play, I would have given the ball to to Torres or Kamara.
If Rogers or Watkins were on song and in rhythm, it would be one of those.
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Can we loan Luiz from Juve via Forest just for the pens?
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Anwar.
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He was easily the best penalty taker we've had in my lifetime. I'd bring him back if ever the Premier League introduces "Special Teams".
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He was easily the best penalty taker we've had in my lifetime. I'd bring him back if ever the Premier League introduces "Special Teams".
Special Teams would be brilliant.
Imagine bringing on several line-backer oat houses for a corner or a long throw.
BTW, did anyone else notice that we actually executed a decent log throw tonight?
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BTW, did anyone else notice that we actually executed a decent log throw tonight?
I assume by McGinn.
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BTW, did anyone else notice that we actually executed a decent log throw tonight?
I assume by McGinn.
Damn, you got me with the tossing the caber gag.
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I have chosen Guessand. I choose to believe he's the best penalty taker in the world until proven otherwise.
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I have chosen Guessand. I choose to believe he's the best penalty taker in the world until proven otherwise.
Scored two, missed one (his most recent).
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I have chosen Guessand. I choose to believe he's the best penalty taker in the world until proven otherwise.
Scored two, missed one (his most recent).
You telling me it's a 66.6% conversion rate? What are we waiting for?!
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I've never seen Bizot miss one for us, so I pick him.
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Pau Torres knows how to kick the ball.
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Seem to remember Cash nailing one or two in shoot-outs for us and he's in a rich vein of goalscoring form.
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Seem to remember Cash nailing one or two in shoot-outs for us and he's in a rich vein of goalscoring form.
Missed his pen against Brentford though
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has to be Tieleman's - the rest stink
apart from Rogers - there's no analysis of him.
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Seem to remember Cash nailing one or two in shoot-outs for us and he's in a rich vein of goalscoring form.
Missed his pen against Brentford though
True.
Bizot it is then.
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I vote we just refuse any penalties from now on.
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I vote we just refuse any penalties from now on.
we should be allowed to let McPhee to take them
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Look at the best penalty takers Ronaldo Kane Haarland none of them mess about running around in curves, stopping and running really fast on the spot or delaying the shot hoping to see the keeper move to one side, it’s all an absolute load of bollocks
They just put the ball down stand on the edge of the box and bang it to one side of the goalkeeper really hard It’s fucking simple. The fact that professional footballers especially strikers can’t hit the ball properly from the spot to one side of the goalkeeper at pace is quite unbelievable really
I know not every penalty will be scored but if you take them properly no messing about you’re gonna get nine out of 10
So I would just pick the Villa player that takes a penalty like that whoever that might be
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That's the problem john.
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That's the problem john.
Ha ha yeah true
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Look at the best penalty takers Ronaldo Kane Haarland none of them mess about running around in curves, stopping and running really fast on the spot or delaying the shot hoping to see the keeper move to one side, it’s all an absolute load of bollocks
They just put the ball down stand on the edge of the box and bang it to one side of the goalkeeper really hard It’s fucking simple. The fact that professional footballers especially strikers can’t hit the ball properly from the spot to one side of the goalkeeper at pace is quite unbelievable really
I know not every penalty will be scored but if you take them properly no messing about you’re gonna get nine out of 10
So I would just pick the Villa player that takes a penalty like that whoever that might be
Completely.
Our best penalty-takers in the last 2 or 3 decades were Gazza Bazza and Benteke: both simply put their foot through the ball - hard! - and challenged the keeper to keep it out; most times the keeper failed.
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Look at the best penalty takers Ronaldo Kane Haarland none of them mess about running around in curves, stopping and running really fast on the spot or delaying the shot hoping to see the keeper move to one side, it’s all an absolute load of bollocks
They just put the ball down stand on the edge of the box and bang it to one side of the goalkeeper really hard It’s fucking simple. The fact that professional footballers especially strikers can’t hit the ball properly from the spot to one side of the goalkeeper at pace is quite unbelievable really
I know not every penalty will be scored but if you take them properly no messing about you’re gonna get nine out of 10
So I would just pick the Villa player that takes a penalty like that whoever that might be
Completely.
Our best penalty-takers in the last 2 or 3 decades were Gazza Bazza and Benteke
El Ghazi was comfortably on a par with them.
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The woeful penalty miss by our main striker and the apparent lack of anyone else wanting to step up and take them doesn't bode well for any future penalty shoot outs in the Europa league. Personally I think Matty Cash would be a decent option. At least he knows how to smash a ball hard.
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I did say Cash should take it to the bloke next to me but I forgot he missed against Brentford.
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I did say Cash should take it to the bloke next to me but I forgot he missed against Brentford.
Penalties will always be missed if the goalkeeper makes a great save that’s fair enough for me
As long as the shot was hit hard on target the goalkeeper’s got probably 15-20% chance of saving it
I can’t remember the cash penalty, but if it was a good save to one side of the goalkeeper then I haven’t got any problems
Anyone doing a hop skip and jump in the run-up can fuck right off
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I did say Cash should take it to the bloke next to me but I forgot he missed against Brentford.
Oh yeah I forgot about that one. I wonder if they do any work on the training ground regarding penalties? If not they should be.
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I did say Cash should take it to the bloke next to me but I forgot he missed against Brentford.
Penalties will always be missed if the goalkeeper makes a great save that’s fair enough for me
As long as the shot was hit hard on target the goalkeeper’s got probably 15-20% chance of saving it
I can’t remember the cash penalty, but if it was a good save to one side of the goalkeeper then I haven’t got any problems
Anyone doing a hop skip and jump in the run-up can fuck right off
It was definitely more "good save" than "bad miss" IIRC.
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It's almost comical how bad we are at penalties, it's neck and neck with us making 10 men look like 12.
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So was the McGinn one I believe. They both went to keeper right and he guessed correctly and lept far enough across. Ironically both would have scored last night and Watkins would have scored if the keeper had gone as far across as the Brentford keeper.
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Malen was due to be first choice (had he been on he pitch), according to McGinn's post-match with Pravda. When is he ever on the pitch though?!
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Against Brentford, Ollie didn’t mess about. Quick deep breath, a couple of steps back, little shift to the left and bang — drilled it right into the side netting. Keeper had no chance, unstoppable pen. Last night though, he took forever over it and honestly never looked like scoring. Buendia’s pen looked decent enough, he seemed confident, but I’ve no idea what his actual record is from the spot.
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Buendia’s pen looked decent enough, he seemed confident, but I’ve no idea what his actual record is from the spot.
He'd gone by then last night though, hadn't he?
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Look at the best penalty takers Ronaldo Kane Haarland none of them mess about running around in curves, stopping and running really fast on the spot or delaying the shot hoping to see the keeper move to one side, it’s all an absolute load of bollocks
They just put the ball down stand on the edge of the box and bang it to one side of the goalkeeper really hard It’s fucking simple. The fact that professional footballers especially strikers can’t hit the ball properly from the spot to one side of the goalkeeper at pace is quite unbelievable really
I know not every penalty will be scored but if you take them properly no messing about you’re gonna get nine out of 10
So I would just pick the Villa player that takes a penalty like that whoever that might be
Completely.
Our best penalty-takers in the last 2 or 3 decades were Gazza Bazza and Benteke
El Ghazi was comfortably on a par with them.
True; slipped my mind.
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Our recent record prior to last season was pretty decent:
2020/21: Scored 5 (El Ghazi 4, Watkins), Missed 1 (Watkins)
2021/22:
2021/22: Scored 4 (El Ghazi 2, Ings, Watkins), Missed 0
2022/23: Scored 4 (Ings 3, Watkins) Missed 1 (Watkins)
2023/24: Scored 5 (Luiz 5), Missed 1 (Luiz)
It has fallen off a cliff since Luiz left, though.
2024/25: Scored 6 (Watkins 2, Rashford 2, Asensio, Durán), Missed 4 (Asensio 2, Watkins, Tielemans)
And obviously we are 0 out of 1 for this season after yesterday.
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Knew we should have stuck with Ings and binned off Watkins instead.
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We were right getting rid of Asensio though, useless twat.
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It’s more difficult to miss a penalty than it is the score
There’s loads of bad penalties taken that still go in, I remember Watkins‘s taking one in Lille He fell over as he kicked it but it still went in
Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
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Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
Seems to come pretty naturally to us.
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Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
Seems to come pretty naturally to us.
Yeah, we’ve mastered this art
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It’s more difficult to miss a penalty than it is the score
There’s loads of bad penalties taken that still go in, I remember Watkins‘s taking one in Lille He fell over as he kicked it but it still went in
Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
Think I missed something like 6 in a row at one point for my Sunday team.
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It’s more difficult to miss a penalty than it is the score
There’s loads of bad penalties taken that still go in, I remember Watkins‘s taking one in Lille He fell over as he kicked it but it still went in
Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
Think I missed something like 6 in a row at one point for my Sunday team.
Bet you were Mr Popular
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Buendia’s pen looked decent enough, he seemed confident, but I’ve no idea what his actual record is from the spot.
He'd gone by then last night though, hadn't he?
He had, I'm thinking more for future penalties if hes on the pitch or the bench.
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This thread makes me think I miss FV - but when he comes back I get fed up with him within a few posts.
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It’s more difficult to miss a penalty than it is the score
There’s loads of bad penalties taken that still go in, I remember Watkins‘s taking one in Lille He fell over as he kicked it but it still went in
Missing a penalty does take a bit of effort
Think I missed something like 6 in a row at one point for my Sunday team.
Bet you were Mr Popular
I was playing as lone striker and think I'd won them all myself, but still. Can't remember but I think I gave it up rather than had the privilege withdrawn.
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Donyell Malen scored 5, missed 2. His two misses were his last two though. One of the five he scored was against Villa kids so one thing I've learned today is that Malen was on Arsenal's books as a youngster, didn't know that.
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That one last night was like watching an Under 10 take one. It was exactly what someone lacking confidence does, playing ultra safe.
I agree about hops skips and all that shit. 3 or 4 steps, then smack it in the top corner. Basic.
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That one last night was like watching an Under 10 take one. It was exactly what someone lacking confidence does, playing ultra safe.
I agree about hops skips and all that shit. 3 or 4 steps, then smack it in the top corner. Basic.
As I got older I got a bit better with pens, and found I was more inconsistent trying to 'pull' the ball to the keepers' right like Ollie last night, it would flucuate between being too central or too wide, and actually 'pushing' it higher to the other side was more controlled and more effective.
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Apparently discounting shoot outs Ollie has missed 7 out of 13
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Apparently discounting shoot outs Ollie has missed 7 out of 13
It's easy to focus on that one stat, but look at the way he puts the ball on the spot. We've had very few players over the years who could do that. It's a bit lazy to focus on the outcome so much.
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Tielemans is the obvious choice. I'd have got SJM to take it last night, he'd already scored and hopefully would have just twatted it in.
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Apparently discounting shoot outs Ollie has missed 7 out of 13
It's easy to focus on that one stat, but look at the way he puts the ball on the spot. We've had very few players over the years who could do that. It's a bit lazy to focus on the outcome so much.
True, the way he puts the ball on the spot contributes massively to how other players are involved in the game and the overall result.
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I was pretty certain he'd miss last night and I was 100m away in the north stand. As soon as he started the stuttering run up i thought, that's just not him.
There are really 5 options with a penalty - top left / right, bottom left/right and high down the middle. Low down the middle has a much lower success rate and I'm amazed he went for that.
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Apparently discounting shoot outs Ollie has missed 7 out of 13
It's easy to focus on that one stat, but look at the way he puts the ball on the spot. We've had very few players over the years who could do that. It's a bit lazy to focus on the outcome so much.
He could try and get an assist like Pires sort of tried and failed to do with Henry.
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Pick a stop - commit to it - belt it
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You could tell he was going to miss it, he looked very nervous. Not what you want to see from a penalty taker.
As for hitting it low down the middle, that's rarely going to work as it'll always hit the keeper's trailing legs. You have to lift it. I always remember Dwight Yorke's dink against, I think Sheffield United? That was pure class.
I voted for Tielemans.
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You could tell he was going to miss it, he looked very nervous. Not what you want to see from a penalty taker.
As for hitting it low down the middle, that's rarely going to work as it'll always hit the keeper's trailing legs. You have to lift it. I always remember Dwight Yorke's dink against, I think Sheffield United? That was pure class.
I was at that game, I’m sure there was snow on the ground.
That was Yorke in his absolute pomp. Pure class.
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Sancho successfully has converting 10 and missing 1 but the player has to be a starter/regular so maybe Youri for me but wouldnt have a problem with sancho if youri isnt playing.
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Didn't someone say Youri has missed 4 of his last 5?
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Didn't someone say Youri has missed 4 of his last 5?
In open play yes. Assuming transfermkt are corrrect, he scored for Leicester in Sept 2022 and then scored for Belgium early this month and had 4 in between. (2 for Leicester, one for Belgium and one for us).
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Didn't someone say Youri has missed 4 of his last 5?
In open play yes. Assuming transfermkt are corrrect, he scored for Leicester in Sept 2022 and then scored for Belgium early this month and had 4 in between. (2 for Leicester, one for Belgium and one for us).
Thanks for the research!
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You could tell he was going to miss it, he looked very nervous. Not what you want to see from a penalty taker.
As for hitting it low down the middle, that's rarely going to work as it'll always hit the keeper's trailing legs. You have to lift it. I always remember Dwight Yorke's dink against, I think Sheffield United? That was pure class.
I was at that game, I’m sure there was snow on the ground.
That was Yorke in his absolute pomp. Pure class.
Seem to remember he did the same against David Seaman / Arsenal too. He was brilliant around then.
Edit: here it is …
Was in the north stand upper, right in the centre 2 rows from the front. It was utterly magnificent.
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You would have been right next to me and my dad, you lucky person.
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Surely sancho has to be given the responsibility now
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Surely sancho has to be given the responsibility now
If hes on the pitch yes.
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Has Digne ever taken one? Seems a good fit to me.
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Villa 'must be more clinical' as penalty problem grows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy8vqvx4e89o
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McGinn and Tielemans would seem to make the most sense. Just need them to practice 20 per day for the next few years.
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This made me laugh https://x.com/AVFCStatto/status/1981442072692310383
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"Or just pass it back to Martinez and recycle it"
Haha
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Needs to be someone that nearly always plays. Rogers? I genuinely wouldn't be against giving Martinez a go but as spoilsport Unai went mad at him when he went up from a corner, that won't be happening.
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Emery named Rogers last night when talking about possible penalty takers but when we went out to Brentford on a penalty shoot-out, Rogers wasn't involved and Emery said afterwards that they didn't have any data on him taking penalties. Someone then posted a video of him scoring one for England U21's. Glad they found that missing data.
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Needs to be someone that nearly always plays. Rogers? I genuinely wouldn't be against giving Martinez a go but as spoilsport Unai went mad at him when he went up from a corner, that won't be happening.
Martinez would be the only one I'd trust to not have a meltdown under the pressure. The rest of them remind me of my own approach to entering a shop when I'm not sure what I want and I just know some twat's going to ask me if I need help. Of course I need fucking help, just not from you, and not now.
Anyway, penalties...we should try to score them more often.
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I presume our set-piece coach finds penalties too dull to practice.