Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2023, 09:56:25 PM
What a cameo from Ings.
All the subs should start v Leeds. Some good cameos.
Wretched for first hour but at least we got a point out of it. If you want to know why we can never finish top half in the premier league games like tonight are your answer.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 04, 2023, 09:57:19 PM
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Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2023, 09:58:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 04, 2023, 09:58:43 PM
He's got to score there.
Still, 3 wins 1 draw and a loss from 5 games, isn't bad.
We're doing OK 8)
Post by: BC Villain on January 04, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2023, 09:59:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2023, 09:59:37 PM
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2023, 10:00:02 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 04, 2023, 10:00:40 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 04, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
Christ that Bailey chance at the end....
What a cameo from Ings.
All the subs should start v Leeds. Some good cameos.
Wretched for first hour but at least we got a point out of it. If you want to know why we can never finish top half in the premier league games like tonight are your answer.
Ings should start the home matches, Watkins away atm, as he runs his socks off.
Post by: Smirker on January 04, 2023, 10:01:27 PM
Emery dug out of a hole by the same player he's trying to get rid of. A point gained, as that wS a shocking performance
Second half was good imo.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 04, 2023, 10:01:30 PM
Not the end of the world, we're a work in progress but should show where we need to strengthen
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 04, 2023, 10:02:01 PM
That front 3 until ings came on was a championship attack. Awful
Post by: LukeJames on January 04, 2023, 10:03:18 PM
Post by: Keeno on January 04, 2023, 10:03:48 PM
First time we've been losing at half time and haven't ended up losing this season. Lost previous 6 where that was the case. That's a sign of progress if nothing else.
Good substitutions, good changes of shape, and with Bailey's miss at the end I am actually slightly disappointed we didn't get the win in the end. We're in good hands.
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 04, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 04, 2023, 10:04:59 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2023, 10:05:02 PM
For me Podence was the difference tonight, even traore was more productive than Bailey and buendia put together and he was offside for about 23 minutes.
That front 3 until ings came on was a championship attack. Awful
Thought Adama was dreadful personally, that Al-Nouri guy who came on has something about him so might be one to look at if they go down.
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 04, 2023, 10:05:15 PM
Not brilliant, but a game we'd have lost 8 weeks ago.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 04, 2023, 10:05:49 PM
Bailey was shocking all game, and that miss just summed his night up. We need better than him and Buendia if we’re going to progress, they were both shit.
Weren't they just. With their apparent talent, they should be 8/9 out of 10 performers. Bailey is often a 3 or a 4 and Emi rarely gives us more than a 5/6.
I like both as they're creative...but I don't think Emery will tolerate consistently poor performances.
Post by: gpbarr on January 04, 2023, 10:06:10 PM
We did that tonight. Emery will have learnt a lot more. And we move up a place in the table.
Stay positive.
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Refreshing to see a manager who is capable of making changes, using subs and changing the trajectory of the game - we probably could (should?) have won it in the end.
Post by: Mellin on January 04, 2023, 10:08:05 PM
We miss Ramsey. Defence, with Carlos coming back, and central midfield are fine. We need a top quality centre forward and attacking midfielder. Or just find a way to genetically combine Watkins' graft with Ings' quality and the same with Buendia and Bailey.
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2023, 10:09:07 PM
Bailey was shocking all game, and that miss just summed his night up. We need better than him and Buendia if we’re going to progress, they were both shit.I think this is it. I would add Cash to that list. There all premier league quality - but not consistent enough to play for teams in the top half, and all unlikely to progress much more than now
We need to make sure signing going forward are Kamara standard - where they come in and are better than what we have
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
Emery dug out of a hole by the same player he's trying to get rid of. A point gained, as that wS a shocking performance
Get rid of? Based on what?
Post by: Goldenballs on January 04, 2023, 10:09:44 PM
Did Coutinho touch the ball?
Post by: LeonW on January 04, 2023, 10:09:50 PM
Bailey was directly responsible for the first goal by his laziness in not tracking his man just 10 minutes into the game, pointing for someone else to because he couldn’t be bothered. Then has an attractions performance for the rest of the game (as they have been since the break). But after all that, he could still have come out with some credit with that chance right at the end. Absolutely woeful.
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 04, 2023, 10:10:25 PM
For me Podence was the difference tonight, even traore was more productive than Bailey and buendia put together and he was offside for about 23 minutes.
That front 3 until ings came on was a championship attack. Awful
That Al-Nouri guy who came on has something about him so might be one to look at if they go down.
I thought the same about Collins. He looks very good.
Post by: Nelly on January 04, 2023, 10:12:44 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 10:13:40 PM
The ball for Bailey's miss was magnificent, too.
Truly abysmal first half, much better second.
Bailey, though, fucking hell, what to say. Confidence player, yes, but he panics and fluffs great chances. He also lets his shoulders drop and starts to slouch far too easily when things not going well for him.
Buendia was even more easily bundled off the ball than usual. Cash higher up the pitch clearly does not work.
What I thought was interesting today was we saw two managers who absolutely understand the concept of changing your line up during a match to react to the ebb and flow, and were not afraid of making wholesale changes.
Post by: rob_bridge on January 04, 2023, 10:13:57 PM
Also why are we trying to replace our only natural goalscorer? Please explain that
I think because he is on silly money and we would get most of the outlay back. Maybe FFP related
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 10:14:32 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 04, 2023, 10:14:56 PM
For me Podence was the difference tonight, even traore was more productive than Bailey and buendia put together and he was offside for about 23 minutes.
That front 3 until ings came on was a championship attack. Awful
Thought Adama was dreadful personally, that Al-Nouri guy who came on has something about him so might be one to look at if they go down.
Adama has always been shit at this level. No idea why he is rated
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2023, 10:16:26 PM
Blimey, just seen Bailey inconsolable at the end.worried he wont be his dads favourite anymore?
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2023, 10:17:13 PM
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2023, 10:17:22 PM
At least we’ve not lost and gone up a place.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2023, 10:17:42 PM
Also why are we trying to replace our only natural goalscorer? Please explain that
I think because he is on silly money and we would get most of the outlay back. Maybe FFP related
Who knows who we're targeting this window in final third but we need another wide player before getting in a CF.
Even then with hopefully a decent FA cup run they'll be enough games to have three out and out strikers in the squad.
I'd be keeping Ings until the summer personally unless we get a silly offer that we have to take but I doubt it.
Post by: usav on January 04, 2023, 10:17:55 PM
If i had to get shot of one, I'd lose Watkins before Ings. Ings is a much, much better finisher. I am glad it was him with that opportunity rather than Watkins.
The ball for Bailey's miss was magnificent, too.
Truly abysmal first half, much better second.
Bailey, though, fucking hell, what to say. Confidence player, yes, but he panics and fluffs great chances. He also lets his shoulders drop and starts to slouch far too easily when things not going well for him.
Buendia was even more easily bundled off the ball than usual. Cash higher up the pitch clearly does not work.
What I thought was interesting today was we saw two managers who absolutely understand the concept of changing your line up during a match to react to the ebb and flow, and were not afraid of making wholesale changes.
100% spot on.
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 04, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 10:19:48 PM
Just saying, loike.
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2023, 10:20:04 PM
For me Podence was the difference tonight, even traore was more productive than Bailey and buendia put together and he was offside for about 23 minutes.
That front 3 until ings came on was a championship attack. Awful
Thought Adama was dreadful personally, that Al-Nouri guy who came on has something about him so might be one to look at if they go down.
Adama has always been shit at this level. No idea why he is rated
I don’t see it at all with him, never have done. Lacks any type of composure.
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2023, 10:20:20 PM
Blimey, just seen Bailey inconsolable at the end.
He'd just been told he's going to Middlesbrough instead of Archer.
Post by: Ian. on January 04, 2023, 10:20:23 PM
Did Coutinho touch the ball?
He dictated and controlled the game second half?
Post by: Villa Lew on January 04, 2023, 10:21:09 PM
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2023, 10:21:49 PM
Imagine being our best finisher sat on his arse watching Leon Bailey falling over, giving the ball away, unable to control the ball, run offside and then miss a last minute sitter. Keep Ings and get rid of Bailey. Worst player ever in a Villa shirt - and I watched Nigel Callaghan play for Villa.
Bailey is a million miles better than Nigel Callaghan and about 100 other players I could mention.
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
Cash back in his proper position was excellent second half.
Agreed, first half he just looked like he didn't know what role to play. Bizarrely his positioning in the 2nd half was almost exactly the same but without Young in the same space he looked much more his usual self.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 10:24:10 PM
Martinez 7 - solid saves but all ones I'd expect him to make
Young 5 - Podence caused huge problems down that side but not the only one at fault
Konsa 7 - solid display again, much better passing, granted Costa is stealing a living at this level
Mings 8 - like Konsa but also an assist for Ings
Digne 7 - thought was doing well so a surprise sub
Cash 5 - terrible first half out of position, much better second but that slip at end could have killed us. Crossing is gone to pot.
Kamara 6 - hardly got a kick first half but solid second half
Luiz 6 - beaten during their goal but had started second very well so surprisingly subbed
Buendia 4 - really poor, amount of times he loses the ball with poor decisions is far too many, histrionics starting to grate
Bailey 5 - plugged away without much joy on right flank but had to score at end
Watkins 4 - pocketed by Collins, could have been hooked a bit earlier
Ings 7, Dendocker 7, Augustinson 6, Coutinho 4. Emery 5.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2023, 10:26:38 PM
re the thread title - wasn't Mendes heavily involved bringing our manager in?
Just saying, loike.
He also got us in El Ghazi and errr Andre Moreira...
Just thought it would be a little more creative than the usual dogheads tag.
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2023, 10:27:21 PM
First half was very poor. Tactically Emery got it all wrong with the positioning of Cash and we were fortunate to only be one down at the break. Second half we dominated the ball without creating all that much. Focusing on launching crosses on top of their tall centre backs was a waste of time. Thankfully Podence went off. I wasn't happy seeing Luiz particularly or Digne coming off but their replacements did ok. Coutinho blew a big chance I thought, great impact from Ings. That ball at end would have been one of the assists of the season. Maybe those tears will make Bailey...Think these are about right - probably give Emery more for switching it up and getting a point - pretty much every other manager would have just kept with plan a. Also I thought Coutinho looked ok when he came on.
Martinez 7 - solid saves but all ones I'd expect him to make
Young 5 - Podence caused huge problems down that side but not the only one at fault
Konsa 7 - solid display again, much better passing, granted Costa is stealing a living at this level
Mings 8 - like Konsa but also an assist for Ings
Digne 7 - thought was doing well so a surprise sub
Cash 5 - terrible first half out of position, much better second but that slip at end could have killed us. Crossing is gone to pot.
Kamara 6 - hardly got a kick first half but solid second half
Luiz 6 - beaten during their goal but had started second very well so surprisingly subbed
Buendia 4 - really poor, amount of times he loses the ball with poor decisions is far too many, histrionics starting to grate
Bailey 5 - plugged away without much joy on right flank but had to score at end
Watkins 4 - pocketed by Collins, could have been hooked a bit earlier
Ings 7, Dendocker 7, Augustinson 6, Coutinho 4. Emery 5.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2023, 10:27:51 PM
Good news is we've gone above Palace, after their defeat.
Small steps but win tonight and we'd have been one point off Chelsea with them having Man. City at home so it's a missed opportunity.
Hopefully beat Leeds and Southampton and then the table starts to get more interesting.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2023, 10:29:05 PM
Also why are we trying to replace our only natural goalscorer? Please explain that
I think because he is on silly money and we would get most of the outlay back. Maybe FFP related
Where’s it been said we’re trying to sell him?
Post by: Steve kirk on January 04, 2023, 10:32:34 PM
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 04, 2023, 10:34:02 PM
First half was very poor. Tactically Emery got it all wrong with the positioning of Cash and we were fortunate to only be one down at the break. Second half we dominated the ball without creating all that much. Focusing on launching crosses on top of their tall centre backs was a waste of time. Thankfully Podence went off. I wasn't happy seeing Luiz particularly or Digne coming off but their replacements did ok. Coutinho blew a big chance I thought, great impact from Ings. That ball at end would have been one of the assists of the season. Maybe those tears will make Bailey...Think these are about right - probably give Emery more for switching it up and getting a point - pretty much every other manager would have just kept with plan a. Also I thought Coutinho looked ok when he came on.
Martinez 7 - solid saves but all ones I'd expect him to make
Young 5 - Podence caused huge problems down that side but not the only one at fault
Konsa 7 - solid display again, much better passing, granted Costa is stealing a living at this level
Mings 8 - like Konsa but also an assist for Ings
Digne 7 - thought was doing well so a surprise sub
Cash 5 - terrible first half out of position, much better second but that slip at end could have killed us. Crossing is gone to pot.
Kamara 6 - hardly got a kick first half but solid second half
Luiz 6 - beaten during their goal but had started second very well so surprisingly subbed
Buendia 4 - really poor, amount of times he loses the ball with poor decisions is far too many, histrionics starting to grate
Bailey 5 - plugged away without much joy on right flank but had to score at end
Watkins 4 - pocketed by Collins, could have been hooked a bit earlier
Ings 7, Dendocker 7, Augustinson 6, Coutinho 4. Emery 5.
Coutinho deserves a 6 at least. Kept it ticking and never gave it away. Worked hard too. Much better than Buendia and Bailey who were woeful.
Digne rating strange - he was abject tonight. I’d probably give him a 4.
As above, Emery deserves a 6 or 7. First half wrong but corrected his mistakes. Refreshing to have that in a manager.
Post by: Malandro on January 04, 2023, 10:35:35 PM
I think they are actually the better team, despite their shite season.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 04, 2023, 10:36:19 PM
Attendance 39.978. Flinstone will be all over this.
Oh the shame, I can barely take it
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2023, 10:36:56 PM
re the thread title - wasn't Mendes heavily involved bringing our manager in?
Just saying, loike.
And he’s great mates with Nas apparently so I imagine one or two more of his clients will be at Villa Park at some point.
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2023, 10:37:29 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2023, 10:40:01 PM
Danny Ings is a proper goal scorer. Watkins can work hard all night but he’s not going to have that ability that Ings naturally has.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 10:40:57 PM
Did Coutinho touch the ball?
He dictated and controlled the game second half?
He did in his hole...most notable contribution was a yellow card. Wolves sitting in I thought would have been ideal for him to make an impact, game passed him by.
Post by: Richard on January 04, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
Good point. They battered us in the first half.
I think they are actually the better team, despite their shite season.
No way!
Post by: LeonW on January 04, 2023, 10:48:00 PM
I know Bailey missed that chance and he’s taken it really hard apparently judging by his reactions at the end of the game and immediately on social media. But he clearly gives a shit about playing well. And it’s not always going to happen for him. He’s a very emotional person and player and will have ups and downs. I think long term he will flourish under Emery. He can learn from tonight.
Danny Ings is a proper goal scorer. Watkins can work hard all night but he’s not going to have that ability that Ings naturally has.
Letting his runner go off him with no care whatsoever for their goal is a bigger concern then the misses. If he doesn't improve that side of his game he'll be out. That's an attitude problem.
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 04, 2023, 10:49:00 PM
A game of two halves, They were much better frost half, we were much better second.
Cash was awful in midfield, but excellent at right back. Bailey is way off form and needs a rest. He's been poor for the last few games now. Ings showing why he should start instead of Ollie, even if its just in home games. Buendia was poor tonight, and seems to have lots of little hissy fits which are annoying.
I just hope we dont have that month where, after much good work, we get three points all month against lower half teams
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 04, 2023, 10:49:36 PM
Attendance 39.978. Flinstone will be all over this.please don't
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2023, 10:50:55 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 04, 2023, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 10:53:01 PM
If i had to get shot of one, I'd lose Watkins before Ings. Ings is a much, much better finisher. I am glad it was him with that opportunity rather than Watkins.
Watkins is three years younger though and tonight aside has played well for Emery. If you play Ings you don't have an out ball and are very reliant on your midfield and attacking players putting chances on a plate for him. He would suit Wolves on evidence of tonight.
Post by: Paul.S on January 04, 2023, 10:55:51 PM
Second half we were a totally different side, moving the ball quickly but some poor corners. Fair result overall but we desperately need a coupe of new faces to add quality up front and in midfield. Ings deserves to start.
Post by: LeonW on January 04, 2023, 10:57:07 PM
Post by: andyh on January 04, 2023, 11:06:16 PM
There was no energy, no drive. But the weird thing is that it was across the whole team, not just one or two but all of them.
I’m also very frustrated with with constant one-two play between Mings and Konsa. That just slows the whole team down even further and makes it even more difficult to break down the opposition.
Second half was slightly better with a bit more energy and power.
A word about the ref.
Wanker.
There was a bloke who wanted to be star of the show, and his pissing about, stopping the game for longer than was necessary was a pain in the arse.
I am convinced he actually licked his pencil when booking players !! I sure he did.
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2023, 11:06:32 PM
If i had to get shot of one, I'd lose Watkins before Ings. Ings is a much, much better finisher. I am glad it was him with that opportunity rather than Watkins.
Watkins is three years younger though and tonight aside has played well for Emery. If you play Ings you don't have an out ball and are very reliant on your midfield and attacking players putting chances on a plate for him. He would suit Wolves on evidence of tonight.
Ings is great for games where teams are stacking the defence and you need a bit of guile to find space rather than endless running or pace. His goal today was a good ball but more importantly quick thinking where he saw Kilman had switched off for a moment and got away from him. It about using him properly but that's 5 since Gerrard went in about 4 games worth of time on the pitch.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 11:07:28 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2023, 11:10:47 PM
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Post by: Legion on January 04, 2023, 11:15:02 PM
As poor as we were first half, Wolves played really well. Second half was much better and we deserved the point. Shame it wasn't more. I thought Gusty was great when he came on and we've found a hell of a player in Kamara.
That's one thing to thank Gerrard for, I suppose.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 04, 2023, 11:15:23 PM
Could have nicked it right at the end with Bailey's chance, but having just watched the highlights after getting in, he didn't get it anywhere near the goal.
Not that it matters all that much, but not sure how the officials only came up with 4 minutes added on when there were a number of injuries and substitutions.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 04, 2023, 11:16:03 PM
If i had to get shot of one, I'd lose Watkins before Ings. Ings is a much, much better finisher. I am glad it was him with that opportunity rather than Watkins.
Watkins is three years younger though and tonight aside has played well for Emery. If you play Ings you don't have an out ball and are very reliant on your midfield and attacking players putting chances on a plate for him. He would suit Wolves on evidence of tonight.
Buendia has a successful habit of threading the ball through to him due to Ings' brilliant movement and intelligent reading of the game.
Post by: rougegorge on January 04, 2023, 11:17:03 PM
We did improve and a draw was fair in the end even though we should've won.
Interesting that Emery took Digne off, but he had been poor and Augustinsson was not bad when he came on.
Post by: Nev on January 04, 2023, 11:20:02 PM
It may be harsh but give Watkins that chance and there is every chance he wouldn't have controlled it or hit the target and until we have a replacement Ings should be retained.
And finally, if we are to progress it can't be with players like Bailey. Top quality players don't miss chances like that.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2023, 11:21:28 PM
As poor as we were first half, Wolves played really well. Second half was much better and we deserved the point. Shame it wasn't more. I thought Gusty was great when he came on and we've found a hell of a player in Kamara.
That's one thing to thank Gerrard for, I suppose.
It's an ill wind that blows no good.
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2023, 11:22:03 PM
What sorcery is this as well a completely clear run up the M6 and home in an hour and 5 mins.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 04, 2023, 11:23:52 PM
Mings and Konsa interchange the ball so much because neither are particularly good at playing it out.
True but I do think they're improving. There was a time (up to a couple of weeks ago) when Konsa wouldn't dream of playing it forward, it was always to Ming, much like watching England with Stones giving the ball to Slabhead every single time. Both terrified of making a mistake.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 04, 2023, 11:30:41 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 04, 2023, 11:32:47 PM
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2023, 11:34:13 PM
Post by: Skerra on January 04, 2023, 11:35:00 PM
A draw was a fair result in the end.
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2023, 11:35:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2023, 11:36:55 PM
Mings and Konsa interchange the ball so much because neither are particularly good at playing it out.
True but I do think they're improving. There was a time (up to a couple of weeks ago) when Konsa wouldn't dream of playing it forward, it was always to Ming, much like watching England with Stones giving the ball to Slabhead every single time. Both terrified of making a mistake.
Absolutely. They are being asked to do something that they are not entirely comfortable with and it will lead to mistakes. But they are improving as you say. This isn’t going to resolve itself overnight. The tail end of Dean’s time and most of the other bloke was an utter disaster.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 04, 2023, 11:44:47 PM
Like Toronto said, we're going to get games like that, it's just the way it is. It'll hopefully make us a better side in the long run.yes
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 04, 2023, 11:44:54 PM
Second half much better, more urgency, crisper passing and Emery made the right changes again. Digne had his worst game for us.
Emery likes to play with his right sided player further forward that his left sided player, but unfortunately Bailey is far less effective on the right.
If Ings is going there must be a replacement coming in.
On the whole despite Baileys miss and a not great performance , we go on with one defeat in 5, things still look up for me.
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2023, 11:46:24 PM
Couldn't they round it up to all 40?
Yes please, that's what I guessed in my first "Guess The Crowd" entry in yonks!
Post by: Nev on January 04, 2023, 11:47:40 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2023, 11:53:03 PM
First half was very poor. Tactically Emery got it all wrong with the positioning of Cash and we were fortunate to only be one down at the break. Second half we dominated the ball without creating all that much. Focusing on launching crosses on top of their tall centre backs was a waste of time. Thankfully Podence went off. I wasn't happy seeing Luiz particularly or Digne coming off but their replacements did ok. Coutinho blew a big chance I thought, great impact from Ings. That ball at end would have been one of the assists of the season. Maybe those tears will make Bailey...Think these are about right - probably give Emery more for switching it up and getting a point - pretty much every other manager would have just kept with plan a. Also I thought Coutinho looked ok when he came on.
Martinez 7 - solid saves but all ones I'd expect him to make
Young 5 - Podence caused huge problems down that side but not the only one at fault
Konsa 7 - solid display again, much better passing, granted Costa is stealing a living at this level
Mings 8 - like Konsa but also an assist for Ings
Digne 7 - thought was doing well so a surprise sub
Cash 5 - terrible first half out of position, much better second but that slip at end could have killed us. Crossing is gone to pot.
Kamara 6 - hardly got a kick first half but solid second half
Luiz 6 - beaten during their goal but had started second very well so surprisingly subbed
Buendia 4 - really poor, amount of times he loses the ball with poor decisions is far too many, histrionics starting to grate
Bailey 5 - plugged away without much joy on right flank but had to score at end
Watkins 4 - pocketed by Collins, could have been hooked a bit earlier
Ings 7, Dendocker 7, Augustinson 6, Coutinho 4. Emery 5.
Coutinho deserves a 6 at least. Kept it ticking and never gave it away. Worked hard too. Much better than Buendia and Bailey who were woeful.
Digne rating strange - he was abject tonight. I’d probably give him a 4.
As above, Emery deserves a 6 or 7. First half wrong but corrected his mistakes. Refreshing to have that in a manager.
Agreed on Digne. Bronte is usually harsh but fair-ish with his rating so can't see what he though in our left full back tonight. Was muscled off the ball more than once and that shank on the volley straight into the crowd was clearly the last straw for Emery as he was subbed soon after.
Can't remember the last time we subbed-off both full backs in tactical moves.
Post by: levico on January 04, 2023, 11:56:11 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 05, 2023, 12:06:58 AM
We were so out of it I would have taken a point; but I'm seething at a relatively simple chance to win it.Still,at least I can say I told you so to our postie, Robbie Dennison, as I called a draw this morning.He thought we'd wipe the floor with them
He was a good player back in the day
Post by: tomd2103 on January 05, 2023, 12:10:19 AM
Overall not too disappointed about tonight IF it's a wake up call for the Leeds game. I'd rather beat them than Wolves whose fans and rightly so must still be pinching themselves to finally see their team play against PL opposition.
Would have taken 4 points from Spurs away and Wolves at home to be honest. I'm sure a few will be rested in the FA Cup game at the weekend, so we should be firing for Leeds next Friday.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 05, 2023, 12:10:55 AM
Coutinho - better. We know there's a player in there, we need to nurture him.
Bailey - nothing he tried came off today. He'll have days like that. Jury out.
Watkins - struggled today and wouldn't have scored the chance that fell to Ings. +1 for Emery
Digne - poor today. Good sub,
Cash - I like him but his delivery is shocking and , I think , we need better in his position.
Kamara - first name on the sheet. He'll have better games .
Martinez - kept us in it 3 times. Actually, he's the first on the sheet. Kamara second.
Dendoncker - steady. Run, Forrest, Run !
Post by: john2710 on January 05, 2023, 12:16:54 AM
Nobody really performed well, but Buendia continues to frustrate & I'm not sure he'll get too many more chances.
We didn't deserve to win, but a bizarre reaction to the miss from Bailey.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 12:18:43 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 05, 2023, 12:20:16 AM
I like Dendoncker and thought he did well tonight but he has such a weird run.
I said he looks like Gordon McQueen.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 12:51:03 AM
I thought our worst performers today were Digne, Bailey, Buendia and Watkins
Agree with that. Buendia was the worst player on the pitch tonight, and should have been hooked at half time. He was hopeless out left, and even worse up front. Cash was poor first half, presumably due to playing out of position, but was miles better after the break. To be fair to Emery the subs all helped to improve things, but he got it badly wrong first half. Ings looked very good when he came on, and Dedoncker was better than the annoyingly inconsistent Luiz, whose standards dipped again. I suppose the saying if you can't win, don't lose, but that first half was dreadful, even worse than the Southampton game. At least it's a reminder though that we need 2-3 players fairly urgently.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2023, 01:47:40 AM
Coutinho not involved too much but all the play was down our right by then, and Buendia could have set him up for glory with a simple pass but chose to shoot.
A combination of Wolves trying to hold out and Dendoncker coming on allowed everyone else freedom to get forward and we had a good go towards the end after a hard-working performance at Spurs. Bit of rotation Sunday and a chance to get back on track next Friday.
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 05, 2023, 01:47:57 AM
Post by: nordenvillain on January 05, 2023, 01:54:12 AM
Just got home. I think that can best be summarised as “oh Leon”.The M6 was a dream tonight in both directions, the same can't be said for the M56 going home that was shut from J7 - J5 so delaying dropping my younger son off in Manchester. Got home to Rochdale at 01:04 !
What sorcery is this as well a completely clear run up the M6 and home in an hour and 5 mins.
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 05, 2023, 02:07:34 AM
Not if you tried to get on at J10 it wasn't. Junction was closed and ironically had to return home via Wolverhampton, passing Molineux!Just got home. I think that can best be summarised as “oh Leon”.The M6 was a dream tonight in both directions, the same can't be said for the M56 going home that was shut from J7 - J5 so delaying dropping my younger son off in Manchester. Got home to Rochdale at 01:04 !
What sorcery is this as well a completely clear run up the M6 and home in an hour and 5 mins.
Post by: Rory on January 05, 2023, 02:17:24 AM
Adama always was, always is, and always will be, a circus clown.
Male stripper, I'd say. All that muscle & oil. Shame he's so shit at football.
Post by: ROBBO on January 05, 2023, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 05, 2023, 06:01:56 AM
I like Dendoncker and thought he did well tonight but he has such a weird run.
I said he looks like Gordon McQueen.
Gordon McQueen is now 70. Another player suffering from shitty vascular dementia due to heading footballs.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2023, 07:03:08 AM
Emery got it wrong at the start but made the changes and the 2nd half was much better.
We really need some players who understand the wide midfield roles.
Wasn’t that confident before the game. Would have taken 1 point before the game as I just knew Wolves were going to give it a go
Post by: sid1964 on January 05, 2023, 07:11:14 AM
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2023, 07:12:49 AM
First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
Post by: passport1 on January 05, 2023, 07:19:28 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2023, 07:27:46 AM
First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
He's the only player they have that I'd take if they were to go down.
Post by: Villafirst on January 05, 2023, 07:34:10 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 05, 2023, 08:00:56 AM
Tyrannosaurus Rex likeI like Dendoncker and thought he did well tonight but he has such a weird run.
I said he looks like Gordon McQueen.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 05, 2023, 08:07:33 AM
As bad as we were first half, leggy and sloppy, Wolves were very good, i thought Neves in particular controlled everything from just in front of the defence. They have far too many good players to go down.
Second half much better, more urgency, crisper passing and Emery made the right changes again. Digne had his worst game for us.
Emery likes to play with his right sided player further forward that his left sided player, but unfortunately Bailey is far less effective on the right.
If Ings is going there must be a replacement coming in.
On the whole despite Baileys miss and a not great performance , we go on with one defeat in 5, things still look up for me.
Agree totally regarding Digne and said exactly the same at the game.
We looked tired first half, almost as if we were expecting good to happen rather than making it happen. To be fair to Wolves they out thought us and were slick with their passing. We were fortunate to only be one goal behind at half time. 2nd half showed why we have a good manager in Emery, he changed it by introducing Couthino who made us tick without seeing much of the ball. Also, hooking Luiz who was excellent v Spurs just wasn’t effective in this game, it happens. Thought Collins at the back was very good for them all night. Bailey and that miss at the end, we now know he’s completely left footed. It was really poor, had he scored it would have been very tough on Wolves. They deserved a point.
Post by: manic-road on January 05, 2023, 08:08:15 AM
The subs made a big impact and well done Danny Ings, he looks so more assured in front of goal compared to Watkins.
Looked like the traffic wardens were out in force last night especially around Priory Rd, I didn't know they work a night shift.
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2023, 08:11:22 AM
I know Bailey missed that chance and he’s taken it really hard apparently judging by his reactions at the end of the game and immediately on social media. But he clearly gives a shit about playing well. And it’s not always going to happen for him. He’s a very emotional person and player and will have ups and downs. I think long term he will flourish under Emery. He can learn from tonight.
Danny Ings is a proper goal scorer. Watkins can work hard all night but he’s not going to have that ability that Ings naturally has.
Agree
Just seen Bailey’s chance.
Given peoples reaction I thought he’d missed an open goal from a metre out.
Had a bit of a bounce on the ball, and going away from goal, which made it awkward.
Even if he’d got it on target, which in fairness he should have, the defender would most likely got to it.
If anything maybe he shouldn’t have taken the shot first time
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2023, 08:13:28 AM
They have quality, and with another forward, should stop up.
We need at least another no 10/a player who can break the lines if Buendia can't cut it there. And a pacey option from the bench (Sarr) for when Bailey is off colour. Didn't look like he fancied it from the off. In his defence, at least he looks bothered by the after match reaction.
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2023, 08:28:04 AM
I like that Emery is not afraid to drag off players who are not at it, regardless of who they are. I thought the Digne change was a bit of a waste of a sub at the time but it was spot on.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 08:31:49 AM
I dont think we should be too hard on the performance really. A bit of credit needs to go to Wolves as well, they were excellent in that first half.
I like that Emery is not afraid to drag off players who are not at it, regardless of who they are. I thought the Digne change was a bit of a waste of a sub at the time but it was spot on.
Yeah, me too. It's really good for the squad, keeps those with the shirt on their toes and those without know they will get a chance
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 05, 2023, 08:33:10 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 05, 2023, 08:36:44 AM
Did Coutinho touch the ball?
He dictated and controlled the game second half?
We must've been watching different games. I thought he flitted about a bit but never got into the game.
Post by: LukeJames on January 05, 2023, 08:44:31 AM
Post by: DB on January 05, 2023, 08:46:27 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on January 05, 2023, 08:55:57 AM
Interesting how animated Ings was when he scored, his celebrations are usually quite casual.
maybe he just dislikes the dogheads ? :)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: darren woolley on January 05, 2023, 09:00:43 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 09:00:44 AM
First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
His poor touch allowed Cash to get back and clear. Ridiculous how we were caught like that on the counter from our set piece. Cash slipped soon after and Ait Nouri thankfully put it straight at Martinez. Wolves had a lot of promising openings, they badly need a new forward.
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2023, 09:03:26 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 09:12:33 AM
One sleep later and the positives are starting to settle a bit. We're going to play a bit shit sometimes, and to have scrapped a draw and arguably should've won isn't too bad. Also, we do have a manager who genuinely changes things around when they're not working, this is good.
It makes watching the game far less depressing knowing that even though we're struggling at a point in the match, you're confident the manager will react as opposed to sitting there thinking "we're fucked" after 10 minutes
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 05, 2023, 09:14:20 AM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
One sleep later and the positives are starting to settle a bit. We're going to play a bit shit sometimes, and to have scrapped a draw and arguably should've won isn't too bad. Also, we do have a manager who genuinely changes things around when they're not working, this is good.
It makes watching the game far less depressing knowing that even though we're struggling at a point in the match, you're confident the manager will react as opposed to sitting there thinking "we're fucked" after 10 minutes
Changing things is good, not having our customary bad half would be even better.
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2023, 09:18:54 AM
One sleep later and the positives are starting to settle a bit. We're going to play a bit shit sometimes, and to have scrapped a draw and arguably should've won isn't too bad. Also, we do have a manager who genuinely changes things around when they're not working, this is good.
It makes watching the game far less depressing knowing that even though we're struggling at a point in the match, you're confident the manager will react as opposed to sitting there thinking "we're fucked" after 10 minutes
Indeed.
A feature of Emery's tenure so far is how we've been able to grow into games.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2023, 09:26:46 AM
Mings and Konsa interchange the ball so much because neither are particularly good at playing it out.They do it because Emery has told them to. The passing around the back is to draw the press and hopefully find space for a pass further up the field. It pisses me off when the crowd get antsy about something the manager has clearly directed the players to do.
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2023, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: boozey182 on January 05, 2023, 09:28:40 AM
Emery got the starting line up wrong, but he was up against the manager that probably knows him best in the league, given that they've already faced each other this season. It was so good to see us wrestle back control of the game by making changes at half time - that is something that we haven't seen very often in recent (30) years. Managers will always get things wrong, but not many put them right so quickly.
It's also worth noting that this was a completely different challenge to every other game we've played under Emery. He took over a team that was near the relegation zone and his first 5 games were all against teams in the top half, so he obviously has focused on defensive work and playing on the counter so far. He's made us much more effective in games where we are up against better players. Getting it right in games where we are expected to dominate will take more time, I would have thought, so it's not a huge shock that our forward players looked worse yesterday - they haven't been drilled as well in those sort of scenarios. Okay, the Bailey miss wasn't because Emery hasn't shown him how to score once you've gone around the keeper, but we didn't create enough in general last night. I don't think it's a major cause for concern yet, and far too early to write off players like Bailey and Buendia under this manager. They'll both get better, and more consistent as the season goes on and we focus more on dominating possession, I'm sure of it.
In terms of the Ings/Watkins debate, I think this week has shown why we need them both. I don't think we'd have won against Spurs with Ings up front, and we wouldn't have got a point last night without him. There will be different games and situations that suit one or the other, we just have to trust the manager to get it right, which he largely has so far. But if we could buy a player with the work rate and presence of Watkins, combined with the finishing and movement of Ings and we'd be a much better team.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 09:29:21 AM
I think we saw the difference between Matty Cash the Championship winger and Matty Cash the international full back last night. He seemed to most effective when he didn't have to worry about what was behind him.
It's probably easier to play on the left wing for him that to be just slightly ahead of wear you've spent the last 3 years exclusively. He looked like he kept forgetting he wasn't full back most of the time, the lad next to me said after about 20 mins they should've swapped him and Young around
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 05, 2023, 09:29:35 AM
One sleep later and the positives are starting to settle a bit. We're going to play a bit shit sometimes, and to have scrapped a draw and arguably should've won isn't too bad. Also, we do have a manager who genuinely changes things around when they're not working, this is good.
It makes watching the game far less depressing knowing that even though we're struggling at a point in the match, you're confident the manager will react as opposed to sitting there thinking "we're fucked" after 10 minutes
Changing things is good, not having our customary bad half would be even better.
It's not necessarily customary under Emery so far. Yes, poor first half last night but that's more down to the Wolves new manager (Can't think of his name) sussing us out. Emery then sussed out his suss hence the improvement after the break. Two good managers there at it again, same as Villareal v Seville where the match finished 1-1 too.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 05, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Exactly what we were saying.I think we saw the difference between Matty Cash the Championship winger and Matty Cash the international full back last night. He seemed to most effective when he didn't have to worry about what was behind him.
It's probably easier to play on the left wing for him that to be just slightly ahead of wear you've spent the last 3 years exclusively. He looked like he kept forgetting he wasn't full back most of the time, the lad next to me said after about 20 mins they should've swapped him and Young around
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
I actually think they're both very capable of good passing, they've just never really been in teams that prioritised it. They'll get there. Mings, in particular, got pings in 'im.
I personally think Mings gets way too much stick about his passing when actually he's much more skillful and creative than most of his contemporaries, it's concentration and touch that occasionally let him down. I think he should be encouraged more to bring the ball forward and run directly at the opposition, as it's both effective and ace.
Post by: boozey182 on January 05, 2023, 09:35:06 AM
Mings and Konsa interchange the ball so much because neither are particularly good at playing it out.They do it because Emery has told them to. The passing around the back is to draw the press and hopefully find space for a pass further up the field. It pisses me off when the crowd get antsy about something the manager has clearly directed the players to do.
Yeah, I thought at the end of the first half, we were just starting to get a foothold in the match, but the crowd were desperate to "get it forward!". I think it was just as important to keep hold of the ball for a few minutes, get into half time only one down and come out a different team. But I get it, it's incredibly frustrating to watch at times, especially as most of us are expecting us to give it away cheaply at the back and put one of their players clean through. The ghost of Ciaran Clark haunts us all.
We're a (justifiably) nervous fanbase. Hopefully, we'll get a bit more relaxed because I reckon our CBs will see more of the ball than any other players under Emery, and they'll feed off our energy.
Post by: DB on January 05, 2023, 09:41:07 AM
Post by: martyn ellis on January 05, 2023, 09:43:29 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
Games like tonight (and not for the first time) show that we need a target man option, even if it's just to bring off the bench.Andy Carroll is out of contract
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
The PL is unforgiving and teams work out the strengths and weaknesses of opponents very quickly. Emry showed more nous last night to change it mid-game than any other manager I've seen at Villa in the past 10 years.
Couple of other observations... Luiz was clattered by the Wolves 11 and on top of the Spurs game it probably took its toll on him. Ings/Watkins - if only they could be combined into one player... they'd be worth £100m! Leon Bailey needs an arm around his shoulder - interesting to see it was Watkins that went to drag him to his feet and stop him crying.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 05, 2023, 09:52:16 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 09:56:53 AM
Five subs from them and four from us, including three at once - what a change in game management.
We were awful first half and they were absolutely excellent. We were the better side second half and a draw was about right.
I’d rather we hadn’t had that first half performance but thats going to happen a handful of games in, with a manager still getting to know his squad, all of whom were chosen by someone else.
The difference between us under Carpethead and after five league games of Emery is absolutely immense though. You also know that Emery was, and will still be angry about a few things last night and will be out on the training field with his team today working on improving things whereas most managers we have had in recent years would be sat in their office, detached from it all.
Promising times ahead.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
One sleep later and the positives are starting to settle a bit. We're going to play a bit shit sometimes, and to have scrapped a draw and arguably should've won isn't too bad. Also, we do have a manager who genuinely changes things around when they're not working, this is good.
It makes watching the game far less depressing knowing that even though we're struggling at a point in the match, you're confident the manager will react as opposed to sitting there thinking "we're fucked" after 10 minutes
I thought it shouldnt have taken until half time to move Cash. Think Emery was a little fortunate that we were only one down at the break. Konsa cleared one off the line but Wolves had lots of threatening attacks.
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2023, 09:58:59 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2023, 10:00:42 AM
He said Wolves were absolutely fantastic rather than saying we were shit. However I thought second half we completely bossed it and looked the more likely winner.
What struck me was how quick that 45 minutes went. It was a great game.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
As expected Emery made changes and we had complete control without creating that much, for all the talk of how much better we were second, I dont think their GK had a save to make (?) I think they gave us territory and encouraged us to make crosses which they dealt with pretty easily.
Buendia needs to make better choices if he is going to start games, he gave the ball away far too easily albeit when we needed someone to make something happen. Overall about a fair result.
Thought we might have tried Baily on the left for at least part of the game.
MOM - Mings
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2023, 10:10:06 AM
As for Bailey, it wasn't just the miss at the end, he failed to beat his man all night. A game to forget.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 05, 2023, 10:11:00 AM
It was always going to be a game of chess.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 10:12:51 AM
Post by: Nev on January 05, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
He did change things so maybe my optimistic outlook was correct, or he could've been having a rest I suppose....
Post by: Gareth on January 05, 2023, 10:19:48 AM
Mings and Konsa interchange the ball so much because neither are particularly good at playing it out.They do it because Emery has told them to. The passing around the back is to draw the press and hopefully find space for a pass further up the field. It pisses me off when the crowd get antsy about something the manager has clearly directed the players to do.
The passing between them isn’t the issue, I don’t think either are proper ball playing centre halves but when they have the ball at the back the lack of movement in front of them to give targets is a much bigger issue. Ollie makes runs but nothing from Buendia / Bailey on the whole.
Post by: enigma on January 05, 2023, 10:32:56 AM
I'd definitely take Neves and Neto. Excellent players.First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
He's the only player they have that I'd take if they were to go down.
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 11:00:09 AM
Ings was well-pumped up by his goal. Kept shouting "WHAT?" at the Holte, angry and proud, as if he were our master.
It was a fantastic first touch, it was so good it panicked the keeper and he slipped.
We didn't work that keeper anywhere near enough, he looked ropey and has done whenever I've watched them.
Post by: martyn ellis on January 05, 2023, 11:14:50 AM
Wolves look like a team way above their station in the bottom three and probably their best performance all season. I like their manager's style.
Ait-Nouri (sp?) is class - not sure why he didn't start.
Augustinsson's volley worthy of a worldy but equally matched by the headed clearance.
If Sa hadn't slipped he may just about have smothered Ings' shot for his goal, so we had a bit of (deserved) luck there.
A more confident Bailey may have chipped the keeper (Ings-like?) from just outside the area before trying to go round him which took him too wide.
All in all a fair result from two good sides. I bear Wolves no ill-will when they play like that and make them odds-on to get well clear of the bottom before long.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 05, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
Refreshing to see two managers involved in a tactical chess match, changing things throughout the match, though. As someone said above, how refreshing to know that we have a manager who is not afraid to change things rather than the likes of Gerrard who’d usually just stand there impassive and hope for an improvement.
Five subs from them and four from us, including three at once - what a change in game management.
We were awful first half and they were absolutely excellent. We were the better side second half and a draw was about right.
I’d rather we hadn’t had that first half performance but thats going to happen a handful of games in, with a manager still getting to know his squad, all of whom were chosen by someone else.
The difference between us under Carpethead and after five league games of Emery is absolutely immense though. You also know that Emery was, and will still be angry about a few things last night and will be out on the training field with his team today working on improving things whereas most managers we have had in recent years would be sat in their office, detached from it all.
Promising times ahead.
Carpet head - hilarious.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 11:18:26 AM
Adama, though, fuck me, what do managers see in him other than pace? He's not a footballer. He's a general purpose athlete with no actual football ability. Still.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 11:21:42 AM
He's not a footballer. He's a general purpose athlete with no actual football ability. Still.
Agreed, a sprinter/body builder who can just about trap a football. Still, beat his man more times than Bailey did.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 05, 2023, 11:22:11 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2023, 11:31:45 AM
I'd take Podence, Neves, Neto, Nunes & Colins. Possibly Ait Nouri too. They've got some decent players.I'd definitely take Neves and Neto. Excellent players.First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
He's the only player they have that I'd take if they were to go down.
Post by: Bad English on January 05, 2023, 11:44:17 AM
had he scored it would have been very tough on Wolves. They deserved a point.I agree with this. However, I would have fucking LOVED it had he buried it, thus funeralling the orange fuckers.
Post by: Gareth on January 05, 2023, 11:47:22 AM
I would agree & add the left back who looked very decent…relying on a non functioning post injury Jimenez & 5 years over the hill Diego Carlos are the reason they are where they are…if Cunha (whose record is v average) hits the ground running they’ll pull up, if he doesn’t they can be sucked inI'd take Podence, Neves, Neto, Nunes & Colins. Possibly Ait Nouri too. They've got some decent players.I'd definitely take Neves and Neto. Excellent players.First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
He's the only player they have that I'd take if they were to go down.
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2023, 11:47:40 AM
I've never really paid much attention to Podence (or Wolves in general tbh) but he looked quality. Was a very good goal.
Adama, though, fuck me, what do managers see in him other than pace? He's not a footballer. He's a general purpose athlete with no actual football ability. Still.
Podence was the one who came on last season and changed the game in their favour.
Great player
Post by: Louzie0 on January 05, 2023, 11:50:53 AM
Couldn't they round it up to all 40?
Yes please, that's what I guessed in my first "Guess The Crowd" entry in yonks!
You’re top of the points for this round, eamonn!
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 11:57:34 AM
Post by: john e on January 05, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
first half was awful as bad as anything churned out by previous managers
Second half a lot better but still not great to be honest, of the two goalkeepers Martinez had the most to do and I was in the end quite pleased not to lose even though we might have nicked it at the end
We are going to have to sort out the progression from defence to attack
At the moment, it’s too slow and relies on Mings and Konsa who are the two least technical players we have in team, Mings is fine defensively but he is not the ball player he thinks he is and sees far too much of the ball as if he’s a playmaker
Konsa just needs to be replaced with someone far better
Mings ball over the top was superb, but I’m more talking about playing out from the back it’s dreadfully slow, and they really haven’t got a clue what to do with it to be honest
There’s no wonder Emery is allegedly looking to bring in a centre half
A bit disappointed with the performance overall because it showed we aren’t quite as far forward as maybe we were thinking and I for one was probably getting a bit carried away,
Still very positive for the future though, we have a manager that seems to know what he wants and what he’s doing
I think there may be a few changes in the next two or three windows and we will be a totally different team from the one we saw last night
Also, just to wind up Risso and Percy I thought we missed McGinn’s energy and busyness last night in midfield, especially the first half
He is a very underrated player on this forum and it showed last night
Post by: Nev on January 05, 2023, 12:01:33 PM
He is awful but at the latter end of his first spell the commentators were constantly eulogising about him despite the huge weight of evidence, in the form of no goals or assists, saying otherwise.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2023, 12:03:53 PM
I've never really paid much attention to Podence (or Wolves in general tbh) but he looked quality. Was a very good goal.
Adama, though, fuck me, what do managers see in him other than pace? He's not a footballer. He's a general purpose athlete with no actual football ability. Still.
Podence was the one who came on last season and changed the game in their favour.
Great player
Kind of player we need I think
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2023, 12:04:49 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 12:09:22 PM
Also, just to wind up Risso and Percy I thought we missed McGinn’s energy and busyness last night in midfield, especially the first half
He is a very underrated player on this forum and it showed last night
I agree, he's been decent of late, and if he can keep the improvement up he's a good option to have.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 05, 2023, 12:10:15 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 12:21:27 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 12:23:43 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 12:25:02 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 05, 2023, 12:28:32 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
I watched a Toffee TV discussion last night on their current collapse, it reminded so much of our relegation season, if not worse. Apparently Lampard going or staying won't change a think as their players are absolute twats who don't give a shit. They have absent owners who won't put any money into the club, not that they have a clue about the club or the fans as they're never at games and there's zero dialogue between Lampard, the club owners or the fans.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2023, 12:30:13 PM
Wolves are at no risk of going down. They've got a top quality manager now. If they back him in January, they'll climb the table pretty quickly.
They’ve also got some really good players. The types of technical players that will flourish under a manager who knows what he’s doing. In a way, as much as we have underachieved with our players they have every bit as much of not more so. And I would argue that we have actually overachieved under Emery because it is clear that in a few areas we need strengthening with the types of players he needs. The Wolves manager probably has more players suited to his style than we have to the one our manager wants at the club.
Post by: john e on January 05, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
I watched a Toffee TV discussion last night on their current collapse, it reminded so much of our relegation season, if not worse. Apparently Lampard going or staying won't change a think as their players are absolute twats who don't give a shit. They have absent owners who won't put any money into the club, not that they have a clue about the club or the fans as they're never at games and there's zero dialogue between Lampard, the club owners or the fans.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
Saw the same, thought the same
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 05, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
They looked to be a mobile striker away from being a very decent team.
Just like the Portuguese national team since 1966 and Eusebio. Co-incidence?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2023, 12:43:42 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
I watched a Toffee TV discussion last night on their current collapse, it reminded so much of our relegation season, if not worse. Apparently Lampard going or staying won't change a think as their players are absolute twats who don't give a shit. They have absent owners who won't put any money into the club, not that they have a clue about the club or the fans as they're never at games and there's zero dialogue between Lampard, the club owners or the fans.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
Saw the same, thought the same
They are in a lot of trouble. Financially they have spent an absolute fortune and are seemingly even worse off now. And if you have a manager not experienced at coaching and managing players at the level combined with handling the attitudes of some as things get worse it only ends one way as we know too well.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2023, 12:43:58 PM
Wolves are a decent side and now they have a good manager I don’t think they will be in any danger of going down
first half was awful as bad as anything churned out by previous managers
Second half a lot better but still not great to be honest, of the two goalkeepers Martinez had the most to do and I was in the end quite pleased not to lose even though we might have nicked it at the end
We are going to have to sort out the progression from defence to attack
At the moment, it’s too slow and relies on Mings and Konsa who are the two least technical players we have in team, Mings is fine defensively but he is not the ball player he thinks he is and sees far too much of the ball as if he’s a playmaker
Konsa just needs to be replaced with someone far better
Mings ball over the top was superb, but I’m more talking about playing out from the back it’s dreadfully slow, and they really haven’t got a clue what to do with it to be honest
There’s no wonder Emery is allegedly looking to bring in a centre half
A bit disappointed with the performance overall because it showed we aren’t quite as far forward as maybe we were thinking and I for one was probably getting a bit carried away,
Still very positive for the future though, we have a manager that seems to know what he wants and what he’s doing
I think there may be a few changes in the next two or three windows and we will be a totally different team from the one we saw last night
Also, just to wind up Risso and Percy I thought we missed McGinn’s energy and busyness last night in midfield, especially the first half
He is a very underrated player on this forum and it showed last night
Funnily enough I thought we missed him too. More to do with Cash not understanding his position though. He stayed too wide leaving us outnumbered whereas McGinn knows when to become part of a three in centre-mid.
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
He's an elite manager who wants to play an elite brand of football. High line to squeeze the pitch, build from the back and keep possession when we have the ball, press from the front to turn over the ball quickly when we don't and try and expose teams before they can reset (or 'in the transition' in modern football lingo innit).
To play entirely that way, we'll need recovery pace in defence and midfield and lots of efficiency, ruthlessness and good decision making up front to take advantage of those transitions. We also need every player from goalkeeper to centre forward to be comfortable on the ball. I'm not sure we have enough of any of those attributes. We have some players who have the right skills but are frustratingly inconsistent.
Emery will make this more than the sum of his parts and his in-game changes are generally ace. The subs looked a bit odd yesterday but they worked a treat and I really like Dendoncker. But the players were slow to start and some of those who played well at the weekend, were poor last night. Consistency is key and we know the likes of Buendia, Bailey, McGinn, even Luiz don't have it.
Pretty much the whole league is prone to inconsistency though - even Liverpool, Chelsea and Spuds this season. We're not alone. It's frustrating because we can't seem to build any upward momentum but I'm feeling confident that the manager will sort that out over time. I didn't come away from B6 too disheartened, Wolves are proof that there's no utterly shite teams in this league and in the end it was an ok point to earn and a fair result.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 05, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
Emery will have learnt a lot from the last three games…
He's an elite manager who wants to play an elite brand of football…
To play entirely that way, we'll need recovery pace in defence and midfield and lots of efficiency, ruthlessness, fear, surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to Unai Emery.
Thought this reminded me of something!
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2023, 12:56:17 PM
I think we do have upward momentum. With a team that lost 5 straight before he arrived in the next 5 we have taken 10 points. Over a season that’s 76 points. I get things don’t work that way but it’s a hell of a lot better than the shit we have been served up by the end of Dean Smith and almost all of Lego man’s tenure
Yes that's fair, I suppose it's more we often fail to back up a really good win with another one in a game we might 'expect' to win. Although given how closely match most of the teams are, we can't really expect to win many. It's very much down to form on the day and the tactical battle between the managers (most of whom have good pedigree now) too.
I'm intrigued to see how we develop and the positions that Emery targets for improvements first. I suspect Bailey and Buendia would be happy to the transfer window closed now.
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2023, 12:58:19 PM
Emery will have learnt a lot from the last three games…
He's an elite manager who wants to play an elite brand of football…
To play entirely that way, we'll need recovery pace in defence and midfield and lots of efficiency, ruthlessness, fear, surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to Unai Emery.
Thought this reminded me of something!
You've lost me but I like it!
Post by: Louzie0 on January 05, 2023, 01:04:47 PM
Emery will have learnt a lot from the last three games…
He's an elite manager who wants to play an elite brand of football…
To play entirely that way, we'll need recovery pace in defence and midfield and lots of efficiency, ruthlessness, fear, surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to Unai Emery.
Thought this reminded me of something!
You've lost me but I like it!
Monty Python, Spanish Inquisition; ‘…amongst our weapons…’
Couldn’t resist, sorry Olof’s Beard!
Post by: simboy on January 05, 2023, 01:07:33 PM
Having said that, the Cash/Young start didnt work. They ran over us first half but it changed when Podence went off. Thought Kamara was a little off, but along with Mings [I think] had played the full 90 at both Tottenham and last night.
Not our best performance of the season, yet still drew with a side always up for playing us, not forgetting that the Augustinsson header cleared off the line and the wrong decision by Buendia meant we win on another night... despite Bailey's abject attempt having rounded the keeper and supposedly done all the "hard work" at the end.
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 01:12:21 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
That is tragic/hilarious. Do you have a link?
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 01:15:37 PM
Ashley Young - three games in just over a week is too much for a 37 year old, and it showed.
Matty Cash - although he might have played there in the past he's not a wide right midfielder.
Then we've got the continuing problems of Buendia and Bailey really not doing a whole heap of anything useful. Not much he can do about those, except try to bring in more consistent recruits.
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2023, 01:16:20 PM
Emery will have learnt a lot from the last three games…
He's an elite manager who wants to play an elite brand of football…
To play entirely that way, we'll need recovery pace in defence and midfield and lots of efficiency, ruthlessness, fear, surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to Unai Emery.
Thought this reminded me of something!
You've lost me but I like it!
Monty Python, Spanish Inquisition; ‘…amongst our weapons…’
Couldn’t resist, sorry Olof’s Beard!
I'm too young clearly ;-). Right nationality for our Unai though.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 01:19:13 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2023, 01:19:38 PM
Wretched for first hour but at least we got a point out of it. If you want to know why we can never finish top half in the premier league games like tonight are your answer.Do you mean games where we were not at out best for a long while but still came back to get a point and should have won it?
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2023, 01:21:12 PM
Nobody expected that link to be madeThat's a surprise to me.
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2023, 01:25:54 PM
Sounds not too different to our Buendia. We do get a very mixed bag in one match and also he divides opinion regarding his performances on here.
I’m a Buendia fan, I like his tenacity and I like the way he is always trying something positive, I do get he is frustrating also as not everything comes off.
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2023, 01:28:40 PM
Yes. After watching them last season over to my right, after their deflected last minute winner, celebrating like hyenas scavenging at a 10 day old carcass I wanted them absolutely unfairly fucked out of Villa Park.had he scored it would have been very tough on Wolves. They deserved a point.I agree with this. However, I would have fucking LOVED it had he buried it, thus funeralling the orange fuckers.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 01:33:07 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
That is tragic/hilarious. Do you have a link?
Isn't that more of a dig at his seeming preference of fashion and modelling over his football, rather than at his intelligence?
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2023, 01:48:52 PM
I'd take Podence, Neves, Neto, Nunes & Colins. Possibly Ait Nouri too. They've got some decent players.I'd definitely take Neves and Neto. Excellent players.First half Wolves dominated, 2nd half we did well and maybe could of snatched a win - but a fair result
Thought the Wolves number 3 who came on as sub, looked an excellent player
Ait Nouri. Left midfielder. He’s been good. He won’t be there much longer if he’s got any ambition.
He's the only player they have that I'd take if they were to go down.
JUst to be clear Ait-Nouri is the only one I think would be a reasonable price for how valuable an addition he could be. Neto and Neves are both good but would command big fees and I think we could get better for the cost. The others I'm not entirely convinced by.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 01:50:40 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 05, 2023, 02:02:35 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2023, 02:10:09 PM
Do Wolves win the award for fattest fans in the league? Some right porkers waddling away from the visitors end last night.
Don’t Newcastle fans win that award every year and will do forever? The fat naked tattooed ******
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 02:27:37 PM
Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
That is tragic/hilarious. Do you have a link?
Isn't that more of a dig at his seeming preference of fashion and modelling over his football, rather than at his intelligence?
No, I got that. That makes it funnier!
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 02:28:37 PM
Do Wolves win the award for fattest fans in the league? Some right porkers waddling away from the visitors end last night.
Don’t Newcastle fans win that award every year and will do forever? The fat naked tattooed ******
They need extra belly insulation for those cold, windy winter nights.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 05, 2023, 02:59:18 PM
I think the start under Emery has been promising, and while the results have been mostly good, I think the last three games have shown we've got too many square pegs in round holes. All of the first halves in the last three games have been fairly poor. Liverpool we constantly gave the ball away, and Spurs in keeping it tight, we created absolutely nothing. Last night we were just second best all over the pitch for the first 45. It's good that Emery can react accordingly, but I think he made some mistakes from the off last night, eg:
Ashley Young - three games in just over a week is too much for a 37 year old, and it showed.
Matty Cash - although he might have played there in the past he's not a wide right midfielder.
Then we've got the continuing problems of Buendia and Bailey really not doing a whole heap of anything useful. Not much he can do about those, except try to bring in more consistent recruits.
To improve as a team, you have to start bringing in the kind of quality that begins pushing the likes of Buendia and Bailey to the bench where they can be more of an impact. I just don't ever see them being consistent enough to be the week-in-week out starters we need to take us forward. Same with Ollie Watkins really.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 03:04:37 PM
I think the start under Emery has been promising, and while the results have been mostly good, I think the last three games have shown we've got too many square pegs in round holes. All of the first halves in the last three games have been fairly poor. Liverpool we constantly gave the ball away, and Spurs in keeping it tight, we created absolutely nothing. Last night we were just second best all over the pitch for the first 45. It's good that Emery can react accordingly, but I think he made some mistakes from the off last night, eg:
Ashley Young - three games in just over a week is too much for a 37 year old, and it showed.
Matty Cash - although he might have played there in the past he's not a wide right midfielder.
Then we've got the continuing problems of Buendia and Bailey really not doing a whole heap of anything useful. Not much he can do about those, except try to bring in more consistent recruits.
To improve as a team, you have to start bringing in the kind of quality that begins pushing the likes of Buendia and Bailey to the bench where they can be more of an impact. I just don't ever see them being consistent enough to be the week-in-week out starters we need to take us forward. Same with Ollie Watkins really.
I think Emery is discovering in these initial weeks where the square pegs are. The fact he's doing it whilst returning a very respectable points per game ratio is more than welcome.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 05, 2023, 04:11:42 PM
Promising appearance from Coutinho he looked far better than he has all season, not difficult maybe but we are so desperately short of play makers. Digne's lack of pace wouldn't be so much of an issue if he had positional sense, sadly he doesn't, nor is his delivery very exciting, thought Augustinsson vreated more in the short time he was on. Relieved to have got a point, would have beeen delighted if Bailey had stuck that chance away at the end.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 04:18:12 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
Ings was well-pumped up by his goal. Kept shouting "WHAT?" at the Holte, angry and proud, as if he were our master.
It was a fantastic first touch, it was so good it panicked the keeper and he slipped.
We didn't work that keeper anywhere near enough, he looked ropey and has done whenever I've watched them.
I think the keeper made it very easy for Ings with his slip. Watkins would even have scored. He sold himself for the Bailey chance too, looked a bag of nerves throughout. Slicing that kick in the first half out of play for a corner took some doing!
Wolves looked very strong defensively until we put them under a bit of pressure late on. Killman stopped one on the line but was dreadful for the Ings goal and Bailey chance. They fell apart a bit really and badly need a striker. Very strong in midfield though.
I thought we reverted to the Gerrard esque crossathon last night far too much. Need to get players in behind packed defences like that or alternatively a midfielder breaking forward into the box to support Watkins or Ings. I think those games are better suited to Ings rather than Watkins.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 05, 2023, 04:47:12 PM
I think the keeper made it very easy for Ings with his slip.
The keeper immediately tried to put the blame on his studs being full of mud but there's a photo of him diving in front of Ings where you can see the studs on both boots, as clean as the day he was given them. Possibly even cleaner.
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2023, 05:09:12 PM
I think the keeper made it very easy for Ings with his slip.
The keeper immediately tried to put the blame on his studs being full of mud but there's a photo of him diving in front of Ings where you can see the studs on both boots, as clean as the day he was given them. Possibly even cleaner.
I thought before the slip he was already too slow to react. He did an Olsen and got rooted to his six yard box.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 05, 2023, 05:11:40 PM
I think the keeper made it very easy for Ings with his slip. Watkins would even have scored. He sold himself for the Bailey chance too, looked a bag of nerves throughout. Slicing that kick in the first half out of play for a corner took some doing!
Probably knackered from the dash to Villa Park after closing up his Shoreditch coffee shop for the day
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2023, 07:25:56 PM
... We also need every player from goalkeeper to centre forward to be comfortable on the ball. ...I really liked reading your analysis, OB.
I've pulled out one sentence because I think it talks to the upcoming youth players that we have: JJ, ARamsey et al are - for sure - comfortable on the ball, and if we can blend them into a framework of 5-6 comfortable-on-the-ball seasoned and skilled players we have a great starting point for real and sustainable growth.
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2023, 08:07:33 PM
Whilst it was a horrific miss I think the covering defender would have stood a good chance of getting to it if he'd have hit the targetHe needed a bit of composure. He had time to take a second to switch it on to his left foot and give the defender on the line no chance. It was an excellent chance and an in form Leon Bailey would have scored no bother. Water under the bridge now. I really like Bailey and I'm looking forward to him regaining his best form. I'm confident he will have a big impact for us this season.
Post by: john e on January 05, 2023, 08:12:40 PM
Whilst it was a horrific miss I think the covering defender would have stood a good chance of getting to it if he'd have hit the target
I thought that might have happened as well
Glad somebody else said it so I know I’m not going mad although we both could be going mad obviously
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2023, 08:15:33 PM
Whilst it was a horrific miss I think the covering defender would have stood a good chance of getting to it if he'd have hit the target
I thought that might have happened as well
Glad somebody else said it so I know I’m not going mad although we both could be going mad obviously
He had time to steady himself ans belt it with his left, which is what upset me more than a man in bed 5000 miles away ought to be upset.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2023, 08:50:43 PM
Wretched for first hour but at least we got a point out of it. If you want to know why we can never finish top half in the premier league games like tonight are your answer.Do you mean games where we were not at out best for a long while but still came back to get a point and should have won it?
Nah more 1-1s at home to teams who'll be finishing firmly bottom half.
If we'd won the Crystal Palace and Burnley home games right at end of last season and also Brentford we'd have finished 10th so need to make sure these home draws don't suddenly pile up.
I'm more confident we'll beat Leeds anyway who'll be more open from back to front than Wolves were so that should suit us to create more chances.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 06, 2023, 12:11:17 AM
It's on Sunday at 430pm.
We need to discuss line ups and our hope in going all the way! Emery said "My dream is to win a trophy with Aston Villa. It's my personal challenge"
And we want to see it!
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2023, 12:26:54 AM
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 06, 2023, 01:21:34 AM
Well, there are similarities between the two; apart from dying on the same day, one was King of the 1958 World Cup, and the other had a shop on Kings Road. Very funny, though!Would much, much, much rather see Everton and West Ham get sucked into the bottom 3 than this lot.
I watched a Toffee TV discussion last night on their current collapse, it reminded so much of our relegation season, if not worse. Apparently Lampard going or staying won't change a think as their players are absolute twats who don't give a shit. They have absent owners who won't put any money into the club, not that they have a clue about the club or the fans as they're never at games and there's zero dialogue between Lampard, the club owners or the fans.
Highlight was the claim that during the recent minutes silence for Pele, Dominic Calvert-Lewin thought it was for Viviane Westwood.
Post by: Baldy on January 06, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
Expected a win, did not get one. Disappointing. Not good enough. >:(
Post by: john e on January 06, 2023, 09:52:04 AM
Bottom line, we were at home to a team in the bottom three.
Expected a win, did not get one. Disappointing. Not good enough. >:(
But we whipped a team in the top four 4 last weekend, so you know every cloud