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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2022, 03:54:12 PM
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I know the game isn’t quite over, but could have posted the home score ages ago. Just wanted to wait to see how many they got. We played really quite well but when you have forwards who cannot score and combine it with massive defensive errors, well we don’t stand a chance do we? Another defeat. Another look at the table and it makes very painful viewing. I want the manager replaced. We desperately need a change.
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Gaaaaaah just sack him already.
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At least Southampton didn't win
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Played well first half, second half, not so much. If he had us playing like we did in that first half on a regular basis i'd be up for giving him more time. But he doesn't. and he won't.
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Poor Ollie, absolutely everything he tried was disastrous today. Feel for the bloke.
We need to change our manager.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
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Same old shit.
There's a pall of doom around the club at the moment, and most of it is down to the manager.
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Fuck me, Steve Stone on 5 Live defending Gerrard at every opportunity. Presumably a consensus amongst "pros".
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No system.
No style.
No substance.
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Chelsea were very poor today and were absolutely there for the taking. Leeds beat them at home when they played like this, where as we fail to take our chances, make poor mistakes to give away goals and then make substitutions that take all momentum away from us.
We're in big trouble
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
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Micah Richards now droning on.
My least favourite person in football, possibly :D
Fucking hell, Villa.
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Poor Ollie, absolutely everything he tried was disastrous today. Feel for the bloke.
We need to change our manager.
Ollie was simply terrible today. He had 5+ turnovers in the second half. It begs belief that someone could get to this level of football without learning how to control a ball. He has to drop to the bench and come on late as fresh legs.
Coutinho and Buendia cannot play together. They fail to get forward at a pace quick enough for this league.
The effort was there for 55 minutes, the chances were there.. but we got brushed aside. It’s worrying and demoralizing.
This is not a fun or rewarding season.. how does this keep happening to us. Please get him out.
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couldn't score in a fucking brothel!
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No system.
No style.
No substance.
And no fuckin result
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Poor Ollie, absolutely everything he tried was disastrous today. Feel for the bloke.
We need to change our manager.
I like Ollie, but we needed a mobile forward signed in the summer who could either play directly up top or in one of the wide positions for situations like these.
He's in a horrid run of form and shouldn't be starting.
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
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Potter made changes at half time because he had the ability to know that Chelsea were not playing well. I honestly cannot recall a single decent effort on target in the second half, other than the shot straight at Kepa. Chelsea were poor today and still won without getting out of first gear. Villa are devoid of quality, pace, organisation or belief. We can argue that we forced Chelsea into not playing well but the same up and down consistency is still there where we go 20 minutes of inertia. Purslow has to be brave and go against the media swell that Gerrard is a darling. Fuck him, he's taking us backwards and there is absolutely no doubts that we are in a relegation scrap. Worse now than when he found us.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
Well that’s your opinion and is probably true over a season. Today Chelsea got lucky for both goals and were lucky at the back. That’s my opinion.
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Good first half, should've gone in ahead. Fuck knows what the second half was.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
Well that’s your opinion and is probably true over a season. Today Chelsea got lucky for both goals and were lucky at the back. That’s my opinion.
Chelsea didn’t get lucky. Two of our players made mistakes. That happens when people are low on confidence. Change is needed
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Where would we be in the table now if we had a competent (not world class) but just competent striker?
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We played brilliantly in the first half and other than gifting them a goal I couldn’t fault it. You knew second half Potter would do something different and we would just plod on as we were.
He’s got to go, he’s not up to the task and he’s not improving us in anyway. If Smith had to go, so does Gerrard for the same reasons.
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He isn’t going to turn things round so might as well get rid. The next bloke is going to need £200m to replace Mings, McGinn, Watkins and Ings though. Utter shit, all of them.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
No manager gets sacked on the strength of one game.
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I just cannot fathom having owners this rich yet having to put ourselves through this. I mean, I'd have thought by now we'd at least be bemoaning not going above a European-place rival. Instead, we're a point above the bottom three because we're being managed by a jumped-up under-17s coach.
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He isn’t going to turn things round so might as well get rid. The next bloke is going to need £200m to replace Mings, McGinn, Watkins and Ings though. Utter shit, all of them.
McGinn is completely anonymous most of the time. Ings has just been a really bad signing.
I'm torn on Ollie and Mings.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
No manager gets sacked on the strength of one game.
The 27-28 games since 1 January 2022 should be enough to finish most managers
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Where would we be in the table now if we had a competent (not world class) but just competent striker?
We may well already have a few of them. It’s just that everyone looks shit under this manager.
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No system.
No style.
No substance.
And no fuckin result
Yeah - but I couldn’t think of a word beginning with S that describes that!!
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Describing Mings as "shit" is utter bollocks. The others can all play better under a better manager. Because they all have played better under better managers.
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He should have gone by now. We've been over patient.
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Describing Mings as "shit" is utter bollocks. The others can all play better under a better manager. Because they all have played better under better managers.
School boy defending today to gift them a goal when we were playing well. Cost us the match.
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Gerrard screwed the season causing a ruckus over Mings. I have no great belief that Mings is a top-level defender, but Gerrard was obviously spoiling for a confrontation for reasons known only to him, and the repercussions of that mystifying decision have capsized the club.
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Yes, he played badly today. Doesn't mean he's "shit", though.
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4 wins in the last 21 matches. Let the excuses roll out..
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Micah Richards now droning on.
My least favourite person in football, possibly :D
Fucking hell, Villa.
Worst ever signing. Ever. 12m quid he leached out of the club
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Mings has cocked up once this season and been one of our best players. Martinez has made more mistakes. Our problems are further up the pitch and when we’re not performing there sooner or later the defence will get caught out like today.
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Gerrard screwed the season causing a ruckus over Mings. I have no great belief that Mings is a top-level defender, but Gerrard was obviously spoiling for a confrontation for reasons known only to him, and the repercussions of that mystifying decision have capsized the club.
Gerrard acted like a cuntoid in that confrontation. Total fucking prick
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He isn’t going to turn things round so might as well get rid. The next bloke is going to need £200m to replace Mings, McGinn, Watkins and Ings though. Utter shit, all of them.
But they could have been 10th if we'd won :)
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Disappointing result, best we have played this season for about 60 mins. But the way we capitulated after the second was terrible, helped by some daft Gerrard subs. Two shocking errors gave them two goals. At least we created a lot more chances today.
Martinez 4 - awful positioning for second
Cash 5 - kept trying but little quality on ball and caught badly for Sterlings header
Konsa 7 - solid again, very good late on v Sterling
Mings 3 - brainfart for the opener and never recovered, horror show
Young 7 - solid yet again, really proving me wrong
Luiz 8 - very good for most of the game but left by himself after the subs
Ramsey 7 - good to see that running power back again, forced a great save. Tackling needs to improve
McGinn 6 - back on left of three and much better. Gerrard played to the gallery taking him off
Bailey 6 - shocking miss but a threat for the most of his time and nice crosses. Strange sub. No sign of his electric pace though
Watkins 5 - good first half but that shot second half summed up his confidence.
Ings 5 - terrible miss with header and gassed as per usual after 60 mins. Should have been hooked
Buendia and Coutinho were shocking when they came on but formation was a mess then due to Gerrard's changes.
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Maybe I missed this in the week, but it seems Purslow confirmed that we had the 7th highest wage bill in the league and had budgeted for a top eight position.
Seems that owners have spent or pledged the money
Me, I am not sure where our next goal will come from
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Maybe I missed this in the week, but it seems Purslow confirmed that we had the 7th highest wage bill in the league and had budgeted for a top eight position.
Seems that owners have spent or pledged the money
Me, I am not sure where our next goal will come from
The wage bill has increased 15m on Gerrard watch
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Mings has cocked up once this season and been one of our best players. Martinez has made more mistakes. Our problems are further up the pitch and when we’re not performing there sooner or later the defence will get caught out like today.
Agreed our mistakes are always going to cost us more if we cant score ourselves.
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Why wait until 10 games in to start playing football?
That's what I'd be asking him.
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Ok, the positives.
We were the better side in the 1st half, FACT.
Stevie reacted well by bringing buendia on just after the 2nd goal. A solid decision by the G man.
Btw that free kick was beautifully executed by a man who we'll all be cheering on in Qatar in a months time. Many keepers would have been caught out by that.
Its difficult times, but are you not realising that this is all invaluable experience for Stevie. Hello, Chelsea are a class act who will chalk up many away wins.
Iv heard a few in the ground calling out mings, im not sure id agree...hes a tryer, he'll learn from this.
He, like his manager will be hurting tonight.
Lets not go too hard on Gerrard, lets give him time and lets show some class, the sort of class that he has shown by his performances in this league for seasons! Its the next two games we need to get something from and iv no doubt we can get at least 3 points.
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The Gerrard appointment just hasn't worked on any level. Please can we just end it now and move forwards.
-Mings; I can understand why opposition fans give him a hard time because he's capable of mistakes which cost us games, time and time again.
-Bailey; this should have been a game to properly get stuck in, but he was anonymous throughout.
-Ings; I forgot he was on the pitch in the second half. With service he's still dangerous but no service, no Ings.
-Watkins; Where our moves go to die.
I think the only sub that needed to happen was Buendia for Bailey, but the others just flattened us.
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I thought Bailey had a good game and looked dangerous throughout.
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Mings like all defenders even at the top clubs is prone to mistakes that cost goals. He may not be world class but is the best defender at the club and we are better for his presence,and so is Konsa who struggles without. For the last 5 games everyone agreed he has been our best player,now suddenly he is garbage after today's error(s). See how we struggle vs Fulham when as looks likely he will be out Injured.
As for Gerrad, I can't think of any good reason apart from the 10 mil it will cost us, not to sack him.he has been an absolute disaster. If he had any pride he would walk
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Ok, the positives.
We were the better side in the 1st half, FACT.
Steven reacted well by bringing buendia on just after the 2nd goal. A solid decision by the G man.
Btw that free kick was beautifully executed by a man who we'll all be cheering on in Qatar in a months time. Many keepers would have been caught out by that.
Its difficult times, but are you not realising that this is all invaluable experience for Steven. Hello, Chelsea are a class act who will chalk up many away wins.
Iv heard a few in the ground calling out mings, im not sure id agree...hes a tryer, he'll learn from this.
He, like his manager will be hurting tonight.
Lets not go too hard on Gerrard, lets give him time and lets show some class, the sort of class that he has shown by his performances in this league for seasons! Its the next two games we need to get something from and iv no doubt we can get at least 3 points.
I don't think for one minute you were in the ground.
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We've won 4 of our last 21 league games.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
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Ok, the positives.
We were the better side in the 1st half, FACT.
Steven reacted well by bringing buendia on just after the 2nd goal. A solid decision by the G man.
Btw that free kick was beautifully executed by a man who we'll all be cheering on in Qatar in a months time. Many keepers would have been caught out by that.
Its difficult times, but are you not realising that this is all invaluable experience for Steven. Hello, Chelsea are a class act who will chalk up many away wins.
Iv heard a few in the ground calling out mings, im not sure id agree...hes a tryer, he'll learn from this.
He, like his manager will be hurting tonight.
Lets not go too hard on Gerrard, lets give him time and lets show some class, the sort of class that he has shown by his performances in this league for seasons! Its the next two games we need to get something from and iv no doubt we can get at least 3 points.
I don't think for one minute you were in the ground.
He's always good for a laugh, though.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
You make your own luck. And if it's not going your way, you have to change things and not just hope for more of the same.
Ultimately Chelsea won at a canter as expected.
Well that’s your opinion and is probably true over a season. Today Chelsea got lucky for both goals and were lucky at the back. That’s my opinion.
They got lucky for both their goals in the sense of being lucky that we are shit
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Ok, the positives.
We were the better side in the 1st half, FACT.
Steven reacted well by bringing buendia on just after the 2nd goal. A solid decision by the G man.
Btw that free kick was beautifully executed by a man who we'll all be cheering on in Qatar in a months time. Many keepers would have been caught out by that.
Its difficult times, but are you not realising that this is all invaluable experience for Steven. Hello, Chelsea are a class act who will chalk up many away wins.
Iv heard a few in the ground calling out mings, im not sure id agree...hes a tryer, he'll learn from this.
He, like his manager will be hurting tonight.
Lets not go too hard on Gerrard, lets give him time and lets show some class, the sort of class that he has shown by his performances in this league for seasons! Its the next two games we need to get something from and iv no doubt we can get at least 3 points.
I don't think for one minute you were in the ground.
He's always good for a laugh, though.
I think you'll find he's a she. I assume it's Mrs Gerrard by the way she defends her son.
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Ok, the positives.
We were the better side in the 1st half, FACT.
Steven reacted well by bringing buendia on just after the 2nd goal. A solid decision by the G man.
Btw that free kick was beautifully executed by a man who we'll all be cheering on in Qatar in a months time. Many keepers would have been caught out by that.
Its difficult times, but are you not realising that this is all invaluable experience for Steven. Hello, Chelsea are a class act who will chalk up many away wins.
Iv heard a few in the ground calling out mings, im not sure id agree...hes a tryer, he'll learn from this.
He, like his manager will be hurting tonight.
Lets not go too hard on Gerrard, lets give him time and lets show some class, the sort of class that he has shown by his performances in this league for seasons! Its the next two games we need to get something from and iv no doubt we can get at least 3 points.
I don't think for one minute you were in the ground.
He's always good for a laugh, though.
FACT
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Bet365's bumper boost was Chelsea to win 2-0 @ 9/1
I don't think they thought that through considering their form.
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Bet365's bumper boost was Chelsea to win 2-0 @ 9/1
I don't think they thought that through considering their form.
They weren't expecting them to only get two?
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Was pretty much like the Spurs home game from six months ago.
Conceded a stupid early goal then battered them for rest of the half, couldn't score and then belief dropped when the second went in.
Gerrard isn't getting sacked for today, he's getting sacked for the sh*** he's served up for most of this year.
What I don't get is Purslow and co sitting through all this and giving him game after game as we're now in blind faith delusion .
The ownership is not as good as we think it is if they're just going to sit back and let Purslow dictate to them and mess up another season.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
Potter realised Chelsea were very lucky to be leading at half time and made two subs and altered their shape.
How long before we get a manager who can do stuff like that?
I didn't look pre match, was Archer injured or dropped? We aren't using the 9 subs at all well. Gerrard seems content just to use it to cover every outfield position, do we really need all of Chambers, Bedanrek and the young CB there when Chambers can cover a few positions.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
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Describing Mings as "shit" is utter bollocks. The others can all play better under a better manager. Because they all have played better under better managers.
School boy defending today to gift them a goal when we were playing well. Cost us the match.
2nd one is a bit harsh, there isn't a CB around who hasn't misjudged a move and given away a free kick 25 yards out. And it still has to be scored. Koulibaly completely took out Ramsey a similar distance from goal about ten minutes earlier.
First goal was poor though. Mings never really plays well v Chelsea for whatever reason as he cost us goals in both fixtures last season and you can tell they studied that pre match and targeted him more than Konsa.
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Fuck knows how we didn’t score today. Mings’ errors were fucking embarrassing.
The inability of us to score is quite remarkable.
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Not sure if it was the European game midweek but Chelsea looked gassed first half.
Good sides (or even average ones) capitalise on that.
I'd rather not wait until we're on the end of a few drubbings for the penny to drop.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
I've said a few times, Palace and West Ham bullied us and I'm sure made Gerrard feel the need to add a big physical option in midfield. Unfortunately we'd left it so late that there were very few options so Dendoncker it is. Personally I don't think he was aterrible signing for the cost, but I don't really understand what we want him to do when he comes on. Today he was pushing forward and leaving Luiz to sit in, which makes no sense at all.
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It really pisses me off that the game finishes with a mood amongst Chelsea players, fans and commentators that this is another routine win. Reality is that they’ve got lucky.
Gerrard won’t get sacked on the strength of today. Nor should he.
No manager gets sacked on the strength of one game.
Of course. There is usually a match which is the tipping point though and my point was that I don’t think today was it. Nor should it be.
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We've won 4 of our last 21 league games.
And when you throw in who we’ve played in those games that’s not got much to do with the squad but utter crap coaching and management.
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Not long got back in from the game. Started brightly, but then conceded thanks to a defensive howler. Thought we we then really upped the intensity for the remainder of the first half and created a number of very good chances.
Potter made two changes at half-time which made them a bit more solid, but we were still well in the game. The second goal was a killer blow and we just just looked deflated after that. We lost shape when the subs came and never looked like getting back into at that point.
The clues are all there from that good period we had in the first half. We actually played with some width in the final third and it created some space to exploit. I'm still not sure what Ramsey and McGinn are being asked to do and think one of them could be sacrificed for Coutinho or Buendia, to give us that bit of additional quality in the final third.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
Quite worrying.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
I've said a few times, Palace and West Ham bullied us and I'm sure made Gerrard feel the need to add a big physical option in midfield. Unfortunately we'd left it so late that there were very few options so Dendoncker it is. Personally I don't think he was aterrible signing for the cost, but I don't really understand what we want him to do when he comes on. Today he was pushing forward and leaving Luiz to sit in, which makes no sense at all.
He’s the perfect player to sit in front of the back 4, can then drop to form a 3 as the full backs push on to provide width (as that seems to be the ‘tactics’ we are employing)
I assume as he’s a Lange type signing Gerrard doesn’t want to play him though.
Given Gerrard wants a possession based side why he doesn’t play Luiz further forward baffles me. Ramsey and McGinn are both players to either run with the ball or break which doesn’t lead itself to keeping possession.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
Gerrard obviously assumed Luiz would be leaving either on last day or in January.
Given Luiz has signed up now and will be expecting endless starts, McGinn and Ramsey are automatic starters under this manager and Kamara will be back for December it does feel a pointless signing unless we switch formation.
Yet another bench warmer being given a nice pay rise in his career and for us to coach any ability he has out of him.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
He looks like he’d be more suited to a donkey jacket and a hi-vis vest.
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We will regret not going for Potter in November 2021.
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If he calls out the strikers he has to call out Mings and Martinez too. that's a lot of players to throw under the bus.
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There isn’t a manager around that could’ve done anything about that first goal. Started well and then your central defender does that. Then we get going again and your forward players miss chance after chance. Both forwards were on the pitch and neither could hit a barn door from 2 yards out at the moment. We had enough chances and got into enough decent positions to have had a hatful.
What I’m mindful of is that we said Man City was the turning point and it wasn’t and after our fixtures we should be at least 5/6 points better off.
Football is a results business and playing well and losing isn’t good enough, especially when you’ve thrown away so many points before.
I think the owners will act and very soon.
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Feel a tad unfortunate for Gerrard today. The profligacy of our strikers today will take some beating.
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Just fuck him off, we can sort everything else out afterwards
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
Potter realised Chelsea were very lucky to be leading at half time and made two subs and altered their shape.
How long before we get a manager who can do stuff like that?
I didn't look pre match, was Archer injured or dropped? We aren't using the 9 subs at all well. Gerrard seems content just to use it to cover every outfield position, do we really need all of Chambers, Bedanrek and the young CB there when Chambers can cover a few positions.
Exactly - I predicted he would make changes at half time and he did.
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Feel a tad unfortunate for Gerrard today. The profligacy of our strikers today will take some beating.
Yes hard to blame Gerrard today but overall he is still responsible for the lack of consistency and lack of clear pattern of play and probably for not better coaching.
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Dendonker has the look of a man running in concrete, he will have to play deep
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Feel a tad unfortunate for Gerrard today. The profligacy of our strikers today will take some beating.
Yes and to blame Gerrard today but overall he is still responsible for the lack of consistency and lack of clear pattern of play and probably for not better coaching.
If we'd have been better coaches and prepared we could have taken them to the cleaners today and chalked up a memorable win, they were there for the taking.
It doesn't matter what question the opposition asks, we're not up to taking the opportunity.
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We were much better than Chelsea in the first half, and we deserved to be ahead on the balance of play and chances. As SoccerHQ pointed out, it was rather like Spurs last season. The disappointment was the resignation to a defeat after the second went in.
Both goals looked shambolic from where I was, and they look as bad or worse on the replay.
Even when Potter changed it at half time, Chelsea weren't that much better, but our lack of nous cost us.
There was bad decision making in attack in the first half (e.g McGinn choosing to shoot after his best bit of play) followed by bad defensive decision making in the second half. We needed to tactically foul sooner before conceding the free kick, and that was followed by Martínez's bad error.
I'm not sure whether or not Gerrard should go now - yes if we have an upgrade in mind - but those aberrations by the players will not help.
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At 1-0 up Potter made 3 or 4 subs. At 1-0 down, we made 0 subs.
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Poor game of football by both sides but how we didn’t score first half I’ll never know.
Second half we were a joke and Gerrard really must go now.
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A plucky loss today.
Better in the 1st half and up to the hour mark than in recent games. Started to lose our way after the substitutions.
Maybe if we'd approached Forest and Leeds in the same way we might have come away with more much needed points.
Our manager's appalling record vs SLy6 teams continues.
Fans very flat throughout. A spark is needed and for me that needs to come from the ceo/owners. Accepting plucky losses and recent poor returns will see us in trouble.
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A better performance?
Well yes, but let’s face it , improving on the shite of the last few games is not difficult.
Raising our game for the big boys but being dross for the rest isn’t good enough.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
It bizarrely we’ve played better against the top teams
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12722201/aston-villa-0-2-chelsea-premier-league-highlights
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
Potter realised Chelsea were very lucky to be leading at half time and made two subs and altered their shape.
How long before we get a manager who can do stuff like that?
I didn't look pre match, was Archer injured or dropped? We aren't using the 9 subs at all well. Gerrard seems content just to use it to cover every outfield position, do we really need all of Chambers, Bedanrek and the young CB there when Chambers can cover a few positions.
Cam was neither injured or dropped. He was with the squad for the game but was taken ill this morning.
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Feel a tad unfortunate for Gerrard today. The profligacy of our strikers today will take some beating.
They're the same strikers he's had, and decided not to upgrade, during the last two transfer windows. That's his fault.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
It bizarrely we’ve played better against the top teams
Not really. The top teams allow us space to hurt them, we just can’t do it, the lesser teams defend in numbers, and we can’t break them down. Unfortunately this is only going to end in a relegation fight.
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Mings is Zat Knight 2.0
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
Potter realised Chelsea were very lucky to be leading at half time and made two subs and altered their shape.
How long before we get a manager who can do stuff like that?
I didn't look pre match, was Archer injured or dropped? We aren't using the 9 subs at all well. Gerrard seems content just to use it to cover every outfield position, do we really need all of Chambers, Bedanrek and the young CB there when Chambers can cover a few positions.
Cam was neither injured or dropped. He was with the squad for the game but was taken ill this morning.
Ta for clearing that up. Gerrard said on Friday he’s got a groin problem and needs an operation but should be in the match squads. So was wondering why not on bench
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Chelsea were utter shit. We gifted them goals.
Villa? Couldn’t score in a brothel
Pathetic bastards.
I would not cry about any of our players leaving. All. Shit.
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
It bizarrely we’ve played better against the top teams
Not really. The top teams allow us space to hurt them, we just can’t do it, the lesser teams defend in numbers, and we can’t break them down. Unfortunately this is only going to end in a relegation fight.
Er I think that’s what I was saying
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Doesn't matter who you play if you gift 2 goals to the opposition. Can't beat the lower teams & plucky losers against the top teams. That's the way it's been more or less since we came up.
We've spent a lot of money & not improved one bit. I think he's got a week to get some points otherwise he is in trouble
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He stays.
We go down again.
Simple.
Chillingly true.
That or we will be perilously close and survive by the skin of our teeth relying on three teams to be even worse than the shitstorm of an omnishambles we currently are.
Yep, with more than a quarter of the season gone we're on less than a point per game and we've played six of the nine other teams in the bottom half. It's well within the realms of possibility.
It bizarrely we’ve played better against the top teams
Not really. The top teams allow us space to hurt them, we just can’t do it, the lesser teams defend in numbers, and we can’t break them down. Unfortunately this is only going to end in a relegation fight.
Er I think that’s what I was saying
Sorry. I meant it isn’t bizarre.
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16th
2 points off the bottom 3.
Improvement?
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I thought we got worse with each sub in the second half. The formation in the first half cut through Chelsea almost at will but somehow failed to score.
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16th
2 points off the bottom 3.
Improvement?
Wage bill 15m more and overall player value about 150m less
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Despite losing via two goals which weren't just presented to the opposition but positively fucking gift-wrapped, the way we gave up after the second was inexcusable. Gerrard can't stop Mings and Emi looking like hung-over pub players, but he can be pro-active and change things up without waiting until the last 20 minutes. All the half-decent work in the first half for nowt. Oh, and Watkins is absolutely atrocious.
Potter realised Chelsea were very lucky to be leading at half time and made two subs and altered their shape.
How long before we get a manager who can do stuff like that?
I didn't look pre match, was Archer injured or dropped? We aren't using the 9 subs at all well. Gerrard seems content just to use it to cover every outfield position, do we really need all of Chambers, Bedanrek and the young CB there when Chambers can cover a few positions.
Cam was neither injured or dropped. He was with the squad for the game but was taken ill this morning.
Ta for clearing that up. Gerrard said on Friday he’s got a groin problem and needs an operation but should be in the match squads. So was wondering why not on bench
He does not have a groin issue. It was a hip niggle a few weeks ago that kept him out.
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If Villa had been printed with a similar goalscoring chance from which Chelsea scored their opening goal then would we have scored?
I think the answer is very sadly "No."
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Until Mings and Watkins are shipped out we are going nowhere.
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Gerrard made subs which changed the game. They made us far worse.
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I said it before and I said it after - why have five defensive subs and a midfielder who won't get on in any circumstance short of mass murder? Stick one of the youth forwards on the bench and it might just have made a difference.
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I said it before and I said it after - why have five defensive subs and a midfielder who won't get on in any circumstance short of mass murder? Stick one of the youth forwards on the bench and it might just have made a difference.
Yup, said the same thing when I saw the matchday squad.
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I said it before and I said it after - why have five defensive subs and a midfielder who won't get on in any circumstance short of mass murder? Stick one of the youth forwards on the bench and it might just have made a difference.
I think they only played the other day.
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My takeaway from the game was that Gerrard was forced to change his usual straitjacket-tactics, because they haven't been working, and - apparently - Critchley has been advocating for a quicker transition and less of the pointless passing around the back 4. It showed today and looked much better. However, our frontline players are devoid of confidence. Ironically - and not surprising, I suppose - we looked worse after Gerrard made the substitutions: Buendia is too easily knocked off the ball and Phil is - well - not very good.
I'm just wondering when the announcement will be.
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Yes. Lost 1-2 yesterday.
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Shocked to see how defensively bad Chelsea were today even after the 2 subs at half time and we still couldn't score!
Really flat atmosphere as well, suppose everybody is just waiting until SG is finally sacked, only a matter of time as Villa are going backwards!
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People moaning about Dendonkar who has had probably less than 45 mins in a Villa shirt so far yet no comments about Buendia who despite being ‘technically gifted’ is looking more and more of an ineffective pointless piss flap of a player by the week. Watkins surely has to be dropped now too, a very good first season but has got progressively worse since. Bench the fucker permanently unless of injury or even worse form from anyone who takes his place. Mings after a good start to the season reminds us that he’s still capable of totally fucking a game up for us on his own. The others were not too bad, I thought Ings and particularly Bailey first half were a real threat to them.
As for Gerrard, we’ll yes, we weren’t bad first half but overall just not enough again, surely a loss against Fulham and he’s got to go.
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My takeaway from the game was that Gerrard was forced to change his usual straitjacket-tactics, because they haven't been working, and - apparently - Critchley has been advocating for a quicker transition and less of the pointless passing around the back 4. It showed today and looked much better. However, our frontline players are devoid of confidence. Ironically - and not surprising, I suppose - we looked worse after Gerrard made the substitutions: Buendia is too easily knocked off the ball and Phil is - well - not very good.
I'm just wondering when the announcement will be.
Reckon he'll get until at least the Brentford game next week.
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The reaction when even your teammate knows it’s a red card
https://twitter.com/addictedtovilla/status/1581680654349058049?s=46&t=TMJjCPGSf83NcwDGmrjABg
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Shit in either box.
Gerrards fault? No
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Mings is Zat Knight 2.0
What rubbish. Like any central defender he makes mistakes but he has been our best and most consistent defender since he joined the club.
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Gerrard made subs which changed the game. They made us far worse.
Absolutely.
Fucking nuts.
We totally lost any impetus at that point. For the last 25 minutes or so we just ambled around like it was a park kick around.
I reckon he's lost the players.
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Shit in either box.
Gerrards fault? No
agreed
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Gerrard made subs which changed the game. They made us far worse.
Absolutely.
Fucking nuts.
We totally lost any impetus at that point. For the last 25 minutes or so we just ambled around like it was a park kick around.
I reckon he's lost the players.
This happened a while back. About 10 games into his tenure I reckon.
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Yes. Lost 1-2 yesterday.
Surely to God there's more than three strikers at the club? Even a Richard Walker or Darren Byfield would have been bette than filling the bench with defenders.
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First half, I thought we played really well and should have had at least one or two. Second half, not so great. On another day, we win that game because,they wasnt great really. I can't see Potter being here too long.
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Yes. Lost 1-2 yesterday.
Surely to God there's more than three strikers at the club? Even a Richard Walker or Darren Byfield would have been bette than filling the bench with defenders.
Well Louie Barry would be next cab off the rank but he's at MK Franchise this season.
Didn't know that about Archer, hopefully he's back involved in midweek. When you see how many goals he's scored in last 12 months I really wish we'd give him a start sooner or later just to see something different upfront. And opposition defenders wouldn't know as much about him as Ings and Watkins and what they can or increasingly can't do when they receive the ball.
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Aren't most of our better younger attacking players on loan?
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Shit in either box.
Gerrards fault? No
like previous managers who get the flak, while players hiding away and not taking responsibility
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Aren't most of our better younger attacking players on loan?
Probably, but there has to be someone. You knew Sanson, Bogarde, Chambers and Nakamba were never coming on today.
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Our Head Coach can't be blamed for today AT ALL absolutely poor at the top end of the pitch and poor at the back and let's stop all jumping on the anti Mings bandwagon, Martinez has been absolutely shocking for ages yet is lauded as some sort of superhero. He makes simple saves look good and let's in far too many . The free kick was an absolute disgrace
I was mocked all summer for saying what would happen with Purslow in control and now look....... Hang your heads in shame
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Shut the fuck up
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
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Probably, but there has to be someone. You knew Sanson, Bogarde, Chambers and Nakamba were never coming on today.
That's it.
I feel the same with Sanson every week.
Glad he's at least on the bench but then realising that there is as much chance of him coming on as there is of me.
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If we play like we did in the 1st half, then we should be getting 6 points from our next 2 games, if we play like we did against Leeds and Forest, then we will be looking for a new manager.
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Aren't most of our better younger attacking players on loan?
Probably, but there has to be someone. You knew Sanson, Bogarde, Chambers and Nakamba were never coming on today.
The only one I can think is the lad who we got from Rangers. Even if he'd sat on the bench, he would have got so much from it.
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Our Head Coach can't be blamed for today AT ALL absolutely poor at the top end of the pitch and poor at the back and let's stop all jumping on the anti Mings bandwagon, Martinez has been absolutely shocking for ages yet is lauded as some sort of superhero. He makes simple saves look good and let's in far too many . The free kick was an absolute disgrace
I was mocked all summer for saying what would happen with Purslow in control and now look....... Hang your heads in shame
If only we had Cheech and Chong and Troy Deeney to get us out of this mess.
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I don’t understand all this, let’s give him one more game or you can’t judge him on 1 match. I’m judging him from the time he came in and bar the first couple of games in charge, SG hasn’t really been the one to take us forward. It’s going to cost a lot to get rid of him as I think he’s on a 5 year contract but, that’ll be peanuts in terms of finances if he manages to get us relegated.
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It's more perging the wide attackers. Bailey is really the only one at the club and we started both senior strikers today.
It was time to move on El Ghazi and Trez but games like today it would be useful to have Traore around as he showed in 20/21 he can create these "moments" Gerrard is desperate for.
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If we play like we did in the 1st half, then we should be getting 6 points from our next 2 games, if we play like we did against Leeds and Forest, then we will be looking for a new manager.
The first half was improved but how much of that was due to Chelsea being poor? I thought Chelsea played similarly bad against Leeds and Leeds smashed them 3-0
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Shit in either box.
Gerrards fault? No
agreed
He has to take some responsibility as he puts those same players out on the pitch?
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
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If we play like we did in the 1st half, then we should be getting 6 points from our next 2 games, if we play like we did against Leeds and Forest, then we will be looking for a new manager.
If we play like we did in the first half we’ll concede two sloppy goals and fail to score from good positions.
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
Are we 10th yet?
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
Haha, you hate Potter, don't you?
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
Haha, you hate Potter, don't you?
No of course not. It's just not a surprise that he's winning games with a billion pound team though really is it?
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Mason Mount hadn’t scored a league goal yet this season. Welcome to Villa Park, please enjoy your stay.
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
Haha, you hate Potter, don't you?
No of course not. It's just not a surprise that he's winning games with a billion pound team though really is it?
He won't be there long.
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Aren't most of our better younger attacking players on loan?
Probably, but there has to be someone. You knew Sanson, Bogarde, Chambers and Nakamba were never coming on today.
I went down to see the u21s against Albion and witnessed the 6-2 defeat, we were shit but the attacking midfielder O Reilly was good and the number 9 striker Afoka wasn’t bad. Certainly would have been an idea to have him on the bench rather than centre back Bogarde today anyway, to balance things up a bit.
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Well I am convinced that it’s purely coincidence that the last 3 goals Villa have conceded have been down to mistakes by the Bloke that Gerrard publicly humiliated.
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Aren't most of our better younger attacking players on loan?
Probably, but there has to be someone. You knew Sanson, Bogarde, Chambers and Nakamba were never coming on today.
Just Watkins, Ings and Archer.
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The fact that our best player was probably a 37 year old full back we thought had retired at the end of last season says it all really
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All these poor teams we play but hardly win.
Worrying
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I am not defending Gerrard but that performance was not down to him, until the ridiculous substitutes in the second half.
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Despite the pressure in the first half, we do not move the ball quickly enough. Once Chelsea made their changes, they choked the midfield and once we went two down, we had nothing left in the tank.
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The fact that our best player was probably a 37 year old full back we thought had retired at the end of last season says it all really
My mate asked me today who my man of the match was and I said Ashley. I don't think anyone played that badly apart from the front two.
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I am not defending Gerrard but that performance was not down to him, until the ridiculous substitutes in the second half.
I agree. We played well despite him. And as soon as he started trying to manage it all went to shit.
/openspopcorn
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Alarm went off a 5.45am. I sat in silence for the entirety of the game, unimpressive once more.
He talks a good game, but so do I. He’s supposed to be making a difference, he’s not.
I’m bored watching us ‘play’.
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I thought Bailey had a good game and looked dangerous throughout.
agree
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Mason Mount hadn’t scored a league goal yet this season. Welcome to Villa Park, please enjoy your stay.
I have an irrational dislike of Mount ever since he was Southgate’s pet when Grealish was playing out of his skin this time two years ago. I had a feeling he’d score today.
Just back home in London and too fed up to read the thread before this page. We actually played well between the two goals but a team short on confidence can’t be giving away howlers like that. I haven’t seen any footage yet, but once their midfielder had got behind Ramsey we were in trouble and Mings’ header was worthy of Heskey For the second I don’t know if there was a deflection or if Eli’s positioning was poor.
Our profligacy in front of goal is worrying - we spend several games hardly creating anything and when we do we merrily fluff our lines. A team which can’t score is always vulnerable and today was a less harsh rerun of the Spurs game last season.
This feels like the last days of a flailing manager. The Holte was far from full by the final whistle but a good minority were singing for Gerard’ to go - a chant started by Chelsea fans. If we lose at Fulham I think he’s toast.
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I thought Bailey had a good game and looked dangerous throughout.
agree
And he took him off, when he was our only attacker causing them problems
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PS from my seat 90 metres away I thought Chilwell deserved a red
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I am not defending Gerrard but that performance was not down to him, until the ridiculous substitutes in the second half.
The team and formation he picked worked out well, front 3 up against their 3 centre backs. We exposed both their wide CBs all first half. Midfield three were very dominant, thankfully at least playing McGinn and Ramsey . Im trying to recall all our chances but Bailey and Ings misses in the first half were sitters really. Incredible save from Ramsey too. Might be missing another one or two.
Miles better than against Forest anyway. Dont think Chelsea are up to much this season on the evidence of today. Sterling, selfish as always, but unlucky for two goals. Mount was lively and Gallagher did well when he came on. But they were really poor in midfield, at the back and Auba was Gabby-esque up front with his lack of effort.
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PS from my seat 90 metres away I thought Chilwell deserved a red
Most definitely. His foot was up and he was late and reckless.
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I thought Bailey had a good game and looked dangerous throughout.
agree
And he took him off, when he was our only attacker causing them problems
Apparently that was on the advice of the medical team.
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PS from my seat 90 metres away I thought Chilwell deserved a red
You weren't the only one. Awful tackle, late, high and with a full set of studs.
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PS from my seat 90 metres away I thought Chilwell deserved a red
He probably did, but it wouldn’t have had any bearing on the result, and that’s the sad truth of where we are at right now.
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Small beans, I know, but what exactly was the point in buying Dendoncker? Getting him in is like when councils start digging up the roads in March so they don't get less for their budget the next fiscal year.
He looks like he’d be more suited to a donkey jacket and a hi-vis vest.
or harnessed to a plough
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I've no idea where our next win will come from.
I don't know a worse team than us in the league either.
Very worrying times if a new manager doesn't arrive soon.
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I've no idea where our next win will come from.
I don't know a worse team than us in the league either.
Very worrying times if a new manager doesn't arrive soon.
Away at Fulham, maybe.
Leicester, Forest, Wolves and Southampton.
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I was going to say. We’re doing poorly, way below what’s acceptable, but we could easily win a few games. There’s a lot of dross in this league. Doesn’t mean Gerrard shouldn’t go, I’ve had enough now, but I think we’ll win some soon.
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Next two are big games in trying to put ourselves in a more respectable position. To be fair, if we finally beat Brentford then I'd give him a contract for life.
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Two individual errors that would destroy most teams, Mings wasn't under any pressure when he fcked up and a goalkeeper should never be beaten from that distance, just plain bad positioning. Every change the manager made weakened us, yet Ings and Watkins were left on even though they were running on empty all second half. We had a credible first half but it appears most of our players are not capable of ninety minutes.
Gerrard has had enough time and money, I hope the club has already been sounding out a replacement.
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Of the sides from 10th down, so the 10 worst in the division besides us, we've played 7 of them and won 2.
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Of the sides from 10th down, so the 10 worst in the division besides us, we've played 7 of them and won 2.
That just about sums us up, same last season, played well against the better teams and failed against teams we should have beaten.
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Was it actually a foul for the free kick resulting in the second goal? It didn’t look like one.
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Two goals from set pieces against us in two games. Remind we what MacPhee does again?
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If only we could score disappointed again but we go to Fulham next.
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Was it actually a foul for the free kick resulting in the second goal? It didn’t look like one.
It had to be, otherwise it would be more difficult to attach blame to Mings.
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Better display but a fully expected result. It’s not days like today, it’s the Leeds, Forest, Bournemouth, Palace, West Ham that have put us here.
We can’t score yet concede dumb, avoidable goals. That usually only has one outcome. Surprised more people aren’t mentioning relegation to be honest.
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We're bang in trouble. We have a rookie manager with a poor top flight record, terrible form, light weight and small players and an air of despondency around the club, led by owners who are letting things drift along. We can't score and we have a rick in us. We are smack bang in a relegation fight right now.
Fantastic.
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Was it actually a foul for the free kick resulting in the second goal? It didn’t look like one.
Yes. Mings made contact with the player then the ball
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Two goals from set pieces against us in two games. Remind we what MacPhee does again?
I think MacPhee is as pointless as everyone else but not sure he can be blamed for Emi completely misjudging where the ball was going, that would be on Cutler if he's still here.
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While Mings contributed to the first I don't think it's all on him. I'd guess he was set to block a shot, the ball looped up probably spinning, he had to reset for the header and misjudged it. But everyone else was slow to react apart from Mount. I would have expected Martinez to be quicker out but he was pretty static.
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It might have been my poor internet but i thought i heard a few "Steve Gerrard" songs being sung in support of him, surely i am wrong about that, no way can anyone that actually spends their time and money going to VillaPark be in favor of him staying?
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It might have been my poor internet but i thought i heard a few "Steve Gerrard" songs being sung in support of him, surely i am wrong about that, no way can anyone that actually spends their time and money going to VillaPark be in favor of him staying?
That was Chelsea fans.
Steve Gerrard Gerard, he slipped on his fucking arse, he gave it to Demba Ba, Steve Gerrard Gerrard.
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Ah that makes sense. Anyway, i am no longer amazed we are clueless on the pitch and no longer amazed we are clueless off it proven by the fact he is still here. Each defeat is just met with a yawn!
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I thought our performance was very good up until the substitutions, Ings and Mings were the problem today.
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There’s an old adage that the Holte End sucks the ball towards the goal. That was true in the first half whenever Mings had it on his own on the half way line and just kept turning around and passing it back.
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Mings (who seemingly cannot be blamed for anything on here) every time he received the ball he either launched it down the pitch or passed it side wards
You can see why Gerrard brought in Carlos and also wanted another centre half who can pass a ball forward.
Mings has now been responsible for the goal at Forest and for yesterdays under 5s calamity, maybe the sun was in his eyes?
1st half had enough chances to be at least level at half time, but the 2nd half was poor, and the supporters were so quiet.
Purslow has stated in a meeting last week that Gerrard is under no pressure and therefore will remain as our Manager - Onto Fulham hopefully we will win.
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I think because of the ok performance Gerrard got off very lightly with regards to the reaction from the crowd.
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I am not defending Gerrard but that performance was not down to him ...
... unless you regard his role as "head coach" important in defining the play that we're now witnessing.
We can't pin individual errors (a la Mings) on Gerrard, but the cumulative effect of his involvement is now showing through.
Any more Stevie-time at the club is dragging us further into the relegation mire.
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'fun' fact, if Chelsea beat Brentford, Potter will have the same number of wins from his 4 league games at Chelsea as Gerrard has in his last 21 with us.
And one more than he managed with Brighton in 27 games last season.
Haha, you hate Potter, don't you?
No of course not. It's just not a surprise that he's winning games with a billion pound team though really is it?
He won't be there long.
Indeed, let’s see what the reaction is when the inevitable poor run comes along
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I think because of the ok performance Gerrard got off very lightly with regards to the reaction from the crowd.
I think that's fair enough though because it was a lot better and we deserved more out of the first half.
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Agreed - and if it was on the back of some other ok performances and results no-one, would want him out. But it isn't
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
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I think because of the ok performance Gerrard got off very lightly with regards to the reaction from the crowd.
Yes he did but with only around a third of the crowd still in the ground after 85 minutes most had voted with their feet.
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I think because of the ok performance Gerrard got off very lightly with regards to the reaction from the crowd.
Let's face it because of the apathy the crowd barely sung for the Villa yesterday.
Chelsea fans taking the p*ss out of our manager didn't even get a rise out of our fans and certainly no show of support for him. It seemed to me we let the Chelsea fans do our talking for us and our silence either way should also have been noted by purslow and the owners.
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We mentioned the same yesterday. The silence was deafening in support of the manager.
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Little to add really. Great performance in the first half, when we used pace and width we created problems but we do it in fits and starts and never keep it up so the opposition can have a breather and reset.
Potter made a change and that made the difference. The atmosphere was terrible but then no-one I spoke to had any time for the Manager so I'm not surprised really, it was an air of resignation rather than anger. That might be reversed next Sunday.
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Exactly, and we always seem to be 10% off what's needed regardless of who we're playing
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Yep you're right. The bottom line is that this is a results game and we're not getting them. You need to score goals to win games and we're not getting them. You can't just blame the strikers because nobody else is scoring either.
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The forwards almost look shellshocked when a chance is actually created, like a sentry getting woken up by a noise after days of nothing.
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Same way if we'd scraped a win against Forest and Leeds, on the back of two very poor performances, there would be nowhere near the pressure. Just a lot of grumbling about a crap style of football.
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Mings (who seemingly cannot be blamed for anything on here)
Eh?
Well Mings and Watkins ain't going Qatar with horse face here
Fucking Mings
Mings having a blinder. (Ironic)
Mings had to produce one of his massive unforced clangers
Mings weak
one for the Mings howler scrapbook
Mings.....dear dear dear
Mings clearly doesn't want Gerrard here much longer either
Fucking hell Mings! (That was me)
Mings brain fart.
Mings WTAF!
Two mistakes leading directly to goals in two games for Mings.
Fucking hell, Mings!
Bloody hell Mingsy
From the match thread.
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Mings (who seemingly cannot be blamed for anything on here)
Eh?
Well Mings and Watkins ain't going Qatar with horse face here
Fucking Mings
Mings having a blinder. (Ironic)
Mings had to produce one of his massive unforced clangers
Mings weak
one for the Mings howler scrapbook
Mings.....dear dear dear
Mings clearly doesn't want Gerrard here much longer either
Fucking hell Mings! (That was me)
Mings brain fart.
Mings WTAF!
Two mistakes leading directly to goals in two games for Mings.
Fucking hell, Mings!
Bloody hell Mingsy
From the match thread.
I love it when people try and attribute group think to everyone on this board, because someone challenged their views once.
Actually, sorry, no I don't. It really pisses me off.
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Yep you're right. The bottom line is that this is a results game and we're not getting them. You need to score goals to win games and we're not getting them. You can't just blame the strikers because nobody else is scoring either.
I really don't understand why he hasn't tried 4-2-3-1.
Pick one of Ings, Watkins or Archer, then have three of Buendia, Couthinho, Bailey, Ramsey and McGinn behind them. It then gives you a striker or two on the bench, and two other attacking midfielder options. So yesterday for example, he could have started with Ings up front and Coutinho and Buendia, then maybe brought Bailey and Watkins on later to run at them. All with the base of Luiz/Nakamba/Dedonkey behind them mopping up and helping the defence.
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Mings (who seemingly cannot be blamed for anything on here)
Eh?
Well Mings and Watkins ain't going Qatar with horse face here
Fucking Mings
Mings having a blinder. (Ironic)
Mings had to produce one of his massive unforced clangers
Mings weak
one for the Mings howler scrapbook
Mings.....dear dear dear
Mings clearly doesn't want Gerrard here much longer either
Fucking hell Mings! (That was me)
Mings brain fart.
Mings WTAF!
Two mistakes leading directly to goals in two games for Mings.
Fucking hell, Mings!
Bloody hell Mingsy
From the match thread.
Impressive detective work but I'd probably spend my time doing something else. Each to his or her own though I suppose.
Where's John Mcginns' match thread abuse list or Gerrards in fact?
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Yep you're right. The bottom line is that this is a results game and we're not getting them. You need to score goals to win games and we're not getting them. You can't just blame the strikers because nobody else is scoring either.
I really don't understand why he hasn't tried 4-2-3-1.
Pick one of Ings, Watkins or Archer, then have three of Buendia, Couthinho, Bailey, Ramsey and McGinn behind them. It then gives you a striker or two on the bench, and two other attacking midfielder options. So yesterday for example, he could have started with Ings up front and Coutinho and Buendia, then maybe brought Bailey and Watkins on later to run at them. All with the base of Luiz/Nakamba/Dedonkey behind them mopping up and helping the defence.
I was surprised but 433 actually worked really well yesterday for the first hour. But we had to switch to 4231 to chase it. When Buendia came on, we went 4312 but after Coutinho came on we didn't have a formation, bar Luiz in a midfield one and the rest like sheep in a heap in the middle in front of him. Even Dendoncker seemed to be pushing forward in no man's land.
I definitely think 4231 is what we should be going with. Get Ramsey further up the pitch, he could be key for us getting goals.
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Mings (who seemingly cannot be blamed for anything on here)
Eh?
Well Mings....
...Bloody hell Mingsy
From the match thread.
Impressive detective work but I'd probably spend my time doing something else. Each to his or her own though I suppose.
Where's John Mcginns' match thread abuse list or Gerrards in fact?
1. Thank you for your input.
2. My reply was to a post about Mings.
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Yep you're right. The bottom line is that this is a results game and we're not getting them. You need to score goals to win games and we're not getting them. You can't just blame the strikers because nobody else is scoring either.
I really don't understand why he hasn't tried 4-2-3-1.
Pick one of Ings, Watkins or Archer, then have three of Buendia, Couthinho, Bailey, Ramsey and McGinn behind them. It then gives you a striker or two on the bench, and two other attacking midfielder options. So yesterday for example, he could have started with Ings up front and Coutinho and Buendia, then maybe brought Bailey and Watkins on later to run at them. All with the base of Luiz/Nakamba/Dedonkey behind them mopping up and helping the defence.
Agreed, it is really obvious that 4-2-3-1 suits the squad we have.
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We are only able to perform and motivate our players against the self-proclaimed top six (even though we never beat them). Player confidence in front of goal in gone. Substitutions have negative effects. Systems of play are predictable. And the manager just says give me more time as I am not as good as I thought I was or throws players under buses. We have a CEO that backed a dud. The seventh highest wage bill and 'lesser teams' out performing us. We are a joke and apart from us fans the people I feel most sorry for are the owners.
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It's what the squad was built for...
That said his 433, minus a number 10, should be an alternative and it worked to an extent yesterday. Until he brought on two number 10s...
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We are a joke and apart from us fans the people I feel most sorry for are the owners.
They're extremely successful billionaire businessmen who bought a Premier League football club, knowing exactly what that would entail. They need to prove that they're still as interested as when they arrived, otherwise it's going to be another few years of trying to scrape by. The team isn't good enough and they didn't do nearly enough to improve things in the summer.
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We are a joke and apart from us fans the people I feel most sorry for are the owners.
They're extremely successful billionaire businessmen who bought a Premier League football club, knowing exactly what that would entail. They need to prove that they're still as interested as when they arrived, otherwise it's going to be another few years of trying to scrape by. The team isn't good enough and they didn't do nearly enough to improve things in the summer.
Yep they don’t get a pass because Gerrard and to an extent Purslow aren’t performing. Sort it out fellas.
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It's no good saying "if we play like that we'll be fine" if you the don't then back it up. We played really well against Man City but then struggled to score against Leeds and Forest.
Yep you're right. The bottom line is that this is a results game and we're not getting them. You need to score goals to win games and we're not getting them. You can't just blame the strikers because nobody else is scoring either.
I really don't understand why he hasn't tried 4-2-3-1.
Pick one of Ings, Watkins or Archer, then have three of Buendia, Couthinho, Bailey, Ramsey and McGinn behind them. It then gives you a striker or two on the bench, and two other attacking midfielder options. So yesterday for example, he could have started with Ings up front and Coutinho and Buendia, then maybe brought Bailey and Watkins on later to run at them. All with the base of Luiz/Nakamba/Dedonkey behind them mopping up and helping the defence.
Agreed, it is really obvious that 4-2-3-1 suits the squad we have.
I really thought that this was the plan all along. The recruitment seemed to fit in with that. Kamara and Doug sitting in fron of the defence would be a very good partnership - it would mean Doug didn't have to cover as much ground and they are both pretty good on the ball to get it forward. In Kamara's absence we could use Nakamba or Dendonka. Then McGinn/Ramsey would have a bit more license to get forward while Coutinho/Buendia/Bailey wouldn't be quite so isolated. It would also allow the full backs a bit more protection. It just seems the obvious solution that would benefit individuals and the whole team.
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We are a joke and apart from us fans the people I feel most sorry for are the owners.
They're extremely successful billionaire businessmen who bought a Premier League football club, knowing exactly what that would entail. They need to prove that they're still as interested as when they arrived, otherwise it's going to be another few years of trying to scrape by. The team isn't good enough and they didn't do nearly enough to improve things in the summer.
For all of Gerrards faults i really have started to agree with this.
Buendia is still our most expensive player with Ings a close 2nd - both bought with "free" money from Greasy sale.
Carlos was a good buy but at a very average cost for a premiership player nowadays - shame he got injured of course
Kamara - might be on big money but was a "free"
Digne - cost £25m when yesterday theirs cost £50m and does not always start - Man City have spent almost a quarter of a billion on their various players in same position - and before people say we are not in the Arabs league - our guys are filthy rich and are getting even richer.
Dendonker @ £13m is hardly earth shattering and the list goes on.
I must admit i thought with these guys we would be looking at least a few galactico's when in reality we are now advised its a one on one out policy
Maybe its the reason we are struggling to attract a top coach / manager????
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Nail on the head Hookey
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I don't feel sorry for our owners, as Risso said they knew the score when they bought the club and our situation could be a lot worse if they hadn't.
But Hookey is right our lack of ambition in the summer has come home to roost.
They need to engage pretty soon and work out what needs to happen at Executive, Management and Playing level.
I would hope they have started by holding Purslows feet to the fire.
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The first seeds of doubt came when they made a profit in summer 21, and as it turns out the money we did spend was based on some fuck-wit stats based idea that we used in 15-16 and saw us relegated.
They did put the money in prior to that to give us a chance of re-establishing but yes, it seems that any spare cash now is going into a new stand whilst we sit and watch a dog turd of a team managed by someone they clearly didn’t think too hard about before employing.
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A profit in 2021? The Grealish money was all spent on the three stooges.
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
If there is an FFP issue with us when would that end?
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
If there is an FFP issue with us when would that end?
We seem to be the only club that ever worries about FFP and we have done for a decade. Nobody else seems bothered.
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The people that think we have problems with FFP never seem able to explain why it didn't bother us when we were newly promoted and yet it does now that we are an established club in the richest league in the world with a sack full of Grealish (and Chukwuemeka) money in our pocket.
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That's the only decent money we've made on sales in recent memory and has gone straight out of the bank account on other players.
I'm not saying FFP is definitely hampering us but posing it as a possibility as no one seems to know for sure. In terms of us spending a lot of money off the back of promotion (and Fulham and Forest doing likewise since), there may be a sliding-scale on spending over a medium-term period than a window-by-window cap.
And, I don't think it's just us that may be affected by it. The club that mostly resembles our net spend in the last five years is Everton and they had to reduce their spending last year, when Benitez went into defensive/survival-mode.
And these are the Newcastle chief exec's quotes from last week:
"The reality is we have financial fair play in the background and this is a factor that we have to abide by," he said.
"You can’t just go for it because you think you might have a good season, there are set regulations. That doesn’t mean that we can’t be shrewd and I’ll give great credit to the ownership and Dan [Ashworth] and Eddie [Howe] in terms of the business they have done so far.
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Ashworth and Howe and experienced combo. Gerrard and his idiot mates and the long haired dude, rookies.
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That's the only decent money we've made on sales in recent memory and has gone straight out of the bank account on other players.
I'm not saying FFP is definitely hampering us but posing it as a possibility as no one seems to know for sure. In terms of us spending a lot of money off the back of promotion (and Fulham and Forest doing likewise since), there may be a sliding-scale on spending over a medium-term period than a window-by-window cap.
And, I don't think it's just us that may be affected by it. The club that mostly resembles our net spend in the last five years is Everton and they had to reduce their spending last year, when Benitez went into defensive/survival-mode.
And these are the Newcastle chief exec's quotes from last week:
"The reality is we have financial fair play in the background and this is a factor that we have to abide by," he said.
"You can’t just go for it because you think you might have a good season, there are set regulations. That doesn’t mean that we can’t be shrewd and I’ll give great credit to the ownership and Dan [Ashworth] and Eddie [Howe] in terms of the business they have done so far.
Thats all well and goot but Newcastle have spent a lot heavier on key players than we have and Everton were doing it whilst we were not even in the division.
Sigurdson - 40m
Richarleson - 35m
Iwobi 28m
Gbamin - 25m
Kean - 25m
Mina - 27m
They might be shit players but the point is we have the alleged 4th richest owners yet we are the 10th biggest spenders in last 5 years on gross purchases and 15th if averaged out nett spend each season
www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons
Not what i or i would imagine a lot of other supporters was hoping for
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
If there is an FFP issue with us when would that end?
We seem to be the only club that ever worries about FFP and we have done for a decade. Nobody else seems bothered.
I don't think that's strictly true, it's just we've tended to get close to our limit of permissible spending pretty regularly, while lots of other clubs don't even get close. They operate much more within their means. I remember reading a few weeks ago that we have the 7th highest net spend of all premier league clubs over the last 5 seasons, including the £100m for Grealish - and for one of those years we were still in the Championship. We've spend quite a lot of money, certainly enough to be fighting to be the "best of the rest" outside the current top four, and we've spent that money without any European football or the income associated with being a club competing near the top.
The owners have backed us pretty well I think (this last summer being the exception, but we don't know what deals they tried to get done, or what FFP restrictions we were operating under). The problem isn't that the owners haven't spent money, it's that we're not sure we got good value for the players on whom that money was spent.
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The owners have backed us pretty well I think (this last summer being the exception, but we don't know what deals they tried to get done, or what FFP restrictions we were operating under). The problem isn't that the owners haven't spent money, it's that we're not sure we got good value for the players on whom that money was spent.
I think the problem is both.
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
If there is an FFP issue with us when would that end?
We seem to be the only club that ever worries about FFP and we have done for a decade. Nobody else seems bothered.
I don't think that's strictly true, it's just we've tended to get close to our limit of permissible spending pretty regularly, while lots of other clubs don't even get close. They operate much more within their means. I remember reading a few weeks ago that we have the 7th highest net spend of all premier league clubs over the last 5 seasons, including the £100m for Grealish - and for one of those years we were still in the Championship. We've spend quite a lot of money, certainly enough to be fighting to be the "best of the rest" outside the current top four, and we've spent that money without any European football or the income associated with being a club competing near the top.
The owners have backed us pretty well I think (this last summer being the exception, but we don't know what deals they tried to get done, or what FFP restrictions we were operating under). The problem isn't that the owners haven't spent money, it's that we're not sure we got good value for the players on whom that money was spent.
Without doing the research, I'd say that other clubs have perhaps managed to do better in terms of commercial income than us; meaning that their FFP parameters are more favourable.
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Also, couldn't FFP be preventing us from spending more? The Noocassil chief exec said the other day that they can only spend up to a certain amount despite the riches of their owner.
If there is an FFP issue with us when would that end?
We seem to be the only club that ever worries about FFP and we have done for a decade. Nobody else seems bothered.
I don't think that's strictly true, it's just we've tended to get close to our limit of permissible spending pretty regularly, while lots of other clubs don't even get close. They operate much more within their means. I remember reading a few weeks ago that we have the 7th highest net spend of all premier league clubs over the last 5 seasons, including the £100m for Grealish - and for one of those years we were still in the Championship. We've spend quite a lot of money, certainly enough to be fighting to be the "best of the rest" outside the current top four, and we've spent that money without any European football or the income associated with being a club competing near the top.
The owners have backed us pretty well I think (this last summer being the exception, but we don't know what deals they tried to get done, or what FFP restrictions we were operating under). The problem isn't that the owners haven't spent money, it's that we're not sure we got good value for the players on whom that money was spent.
Without doing the research, I'd say that other clubs have perhaps managed to do better in terms of commercial income than us; meaning that their FFP parameters are more favourable.
Outside of the obvious contenders I doubt it, commercial revenue is such a small proportion of revenue in comparison to the TV money anyway.
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Mings is Zat Knight 2.0
Always liked Zat Knight.
However, I feel that Tyrone Mings is more suited to the PL and that he had a bad day at the office, along with the several guys further up the field. It’s time our strikers er, struck.
Thank goodness we have Ashley Young.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
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I have a similar reaction when I see Gerrard’s not playing Archer. Again.
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No matter if we had big money to spend what top player would come to Villa Park while we are wallowing close to relegation. That's why we need a manager who can get the best out of the squad we've got, which to my mind is a mid to top eight squad. Gerrard has had over a year to improve us but we if anything are getting worse, he admits he's not a coach so what exactly is his role?
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A profit in 2021? The Grealish money was all spent on the three stooges.
I think it was Grealish £100m plus Engels £5m
Buendia £38m, Bailey £30m, Ings £25m
So about £12m profit, and then I think we got a bit more for Grealish when the fuckers won the league.
I’m by no means saying they’re bad owners Eamonn, and they have spent a bit this calendar year again but as others have said it’s not really been in line with the supposed ambitions. I’d sooner have a good manager and team first before we start messing with the stadium. We still haven’t finished in the PL top half since 2011.
I’ll forever be grateful for them pulling us out of the shit and regaining our PL status but you get a bit fed up of hearing how we’re aiming for the stars and then seeing shite out on the pitch every week. They really badly need to get the next manager right, if the reports about Poch are true tonight it gets my vote.
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A profit in 2021? The Grealish money was all spent on the three stooges.
I think it was Grealish £100m plus Engels £5m
Buendia £38m, Bailey £30m, Ings £25m
So about £12m profit, and then I think we got a bit more for Grealish when the fuckers won the league.
I’m by no means saying they’re bad owners Eamonn, and they have spent a bit this calendar year again but as others have said it’s not really been in line with the supposed ambitions. I’d sooner have a good manager and team first before we start messing with the stadium. We still haven’t finished in the PL top half since 2011.
I’ll forever be grateful for them pulling us out of the shit and regaining our PL status but you get a bit fed up of hearing how we’re aiming for the stars and then seeing shite out on the pitch every week. They really badly need to get the next manager right, if the reports about Poch are true tonight it gets my vote.
We were all grateful when Lerner saved us from Ellis, and that went sour when he stopped spending money.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
He got a late goal v Arsenal at home one Xmas.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
He got a late goal v Arsenal at home one Xmas.
I dont remember that one. Was a long time ago mind.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
On his debut I think. Just after being released on bail.
Deserves more credit than he seems to get on here. Very competent player. Spent 10/12 seasons as a Premiership player. 2 England caps. And Villa was his boyhood club.
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
On his debut I think. Just after being released on bail.
Deserves more credit than he seems to get on here. Very competent player. Spent 10/12 seasons as a Premiership player. 2 England caps. And Villa was his boyhood club.
We played Fulham not long before he was signed, and the following morning he was jogging around our Sunday League pitch on Grange Rd in Erdington, his mom lived over the road
I always liked him, and he played in one of the better Villa sides of my 40 years or so following us
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Zat Knight was a likeable guy, but I couldn't get over the fact we got him and got rid of Cahill.
Always remember him scoring against Arsenal, lovely moment
Wasn't it Chelsea at home? Unless I'm remembering a different game. I think he either got the winner or equaliser.
Both. Got the second goal both times. But he was another terrible part of O'Neill's defensive collection.
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A profit in 2021? The Grealish money was all spent on the three stooges.
I think it was Grealish £100m plus Engels £5m
Buendia £38m, Bailey £30m, Ings £25m
So about £12m profit, and then I think we got a bit more for Grealish when the fuckers won the league.
I’m by no means saying they’re bad owners Eamonn, and they have spent a bit this calendar year again but as others have said it’s not really been in line with the supposed ambitions. I’d sooner have a good manager and team first before we start messing with the stadium. We still haven’t finished in the PL top half since 2011.
I’ll forever be grateful for them pulling us out of the shit and regaining our PL status but you get a bit fed up of hearing how we’re aiming for the stars and then seeing shite out on the pitch every week. They really badly need to get the next manager right, if the reports about Poch are true tonight it gets my vote.
We were all grateful when Lerner saved us from Ellis, and that went sour when he stopped spending money.
I think with Lerner, we just all got excited about such a rich owner coming in at that time, we saw what Abramovich had done at Chelsea and thought we'd be getting the same treatment. We had a fair stab at it but then Man City got bought by considerably richer owners and showed him how it was done. My problem with Lerner is how long he just seemed to hang on, waiting until we'd really dropped into the shit before deciding to release us. It's pretty clear he'd given up in 2011 when he hired McLeish.
As much as i know Doug was unpopular with many, it wasn't anything like the situation we were in summer 2018, financially we were proper fucked at that point.
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Point of order - Ellis himself admitted that if the Petrov signing hadn't been underwritten by Lerner it could have sent us into administration.
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Point of order - Ellis himself admitted that if the Petrov signing hadn't been underwritten by Lerner it could have sent us into administration.
I did not realise that he/we were in financial difficulty at that time.
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Didn't we sell off a chunk of land to keep things ticking over?
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Didn't we sell off a chunk of land to keep things ticking over?
The Serpentine.
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Yes, i wasn't aware of that either.
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Villa's equaliser against Fulham was deemed to be an own goal by...Zat Knight!! Great work, Agent ZK!