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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 01:18:06 PM
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In similar vein to Ings or Watkins both / neither
(Neither does not apply here!)
What would you do?
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For certain matches I would start both and would ideally love to see both so taking that option.
Form wise Buendía should start versus palace and the issue having both in part would be the height and lack of defensive cover at set plays.
However I think Coutinho needs to find his form and fitness and should be played and will be played as he's the quality just frustrating to see the difference in tempo when Buendia isn't in the 11. Has so much zip and buzz.
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Buendia is a better player coming off the bench. Leave it as it is right at the moment.
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Great point.
Squad game and all that and he does have an impact.
I guess we're blessed to have such quality in the number 10s
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Depends who the opposition is.
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Depends who the opposition is.
Maybe neither will apply to Bolton away then.
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I was thinking if we had to sitting midfields , with phil on the left emi on the right and Push Mcginn further up ?
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McGinn And Luiz are both suited and comfortable playing higher up as advanced 8s but need to do defence share.
They don't get that attacking opportunity now if played both Emi and Phillipe
Buendia and Coutinho are what the Italians would call a
trequartista . Positionally between midfield and forward
They are the magic.
Having two would be considered luxurious unless dominate possession.
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I put both as I'm convinced Buendia could be a great number 8. Especially if he breaks in to the box like he did v Burnley
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I think we should rest Coutinho so that he's fresh for Brazil in November and play Emi.
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It has to depended on the opposition. For example something easy like Man Untd away (😆🫢🫢🫢😉) then play both.
Seriously I would love to see them both but I think it will be interchangeable, and we are lucky to have them both.
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Could we play Coutinho as a striker instead of Watkins or Ings? Then have Buendia as number ten behind them. With say Watkin's industry and Buendia buzzing around as he does, it might be interesting. Very fantasy football suggestion, I know.
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They are, by a mile, our two most exciting players. Pick both.
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Buendia should be the first name on the team sheet after the other Emi. I would like us try both though.
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Depends on who we’re playing. For a top six side , maybe only one. At the moment that’s Beundia. PC isn’t looking too good at the moment. I just hope he’s not “ undroppable”. But if his and SJM are off form , drop them.
But against the majority of the bottom half , play both if they’re both on form. Let’s really go for teams, especially at home.
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it’s a difficult one. PC started really well for us but imo is nowhere near the level he was, whereas EB is the best player on the pitch when he comes on. In an ideal world I’d love both to start but if it’s only one it has to be Emi for me at the moment.
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Emi Buendia must start against Palace.
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It's been a whole year, but we still haven't "Villa'd" Buendia... how does that work?? He still zippy, moves the ball on quickly, makes things happen. Can we knock it out of him soon please, I'm not used to this stuff.
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Not sure what the problem is with Coutino, he had a brilliant start but a passenger ever since. Is it where he's being asked to play? I don't see him as a midfielder, far to easily knocked off the ball would prefer to see him further forward. He can't start again until the problems sorted, it's like playing with ten men.
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They are, by a mile, our two most exciting players. Pick both.
Hasn't worked so far and don't think it will. Let's see how Buendia goes at Palace, if as expected Coutinho is dropped. It was worth trying on a hot day at home to Everton but I'm not sure Ings/Watkins will work most days either. If he has signed the new contract, it could be a day for bringing Luiz back in to a diamond shaped midfield with Buendia behind Watkins. Could get McGinn or Ramsey further up the pitch too.
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If PC is injured or not at full fitness then Emi B can take his place and chance and as the central attacking midfielder tomorrow.
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Ideally play both but only for either Watkins or Ings.
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Ideally play both but only for either Watkins or Ings.
Id like both but too much of a luxury away from home, so id start the man in form Beundia. Difficult with the strikers, as Watkins a better option as lone striker because of his work rate, but Ings was really good last week and will have a load of confidence after his goal. I think he’ll play both.
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I would go with Buendia only to start, but wouldn't be surprised if Gerrard started with both ,leaving out one of Ings or Watkins.
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I would go with Buendia only to start, but wouldn't be surprised if Gerrard started with both ,leaving out one of Ings or Watkins.
Here's your chance today v Palace Emi Buendía! Selected ahead of Coutinho
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Coutinho started away at Bolton
Buendía was on the bench.
Now against West Ham I can only see one starting.
And with 3 games in 6 days will have to be the right selection on each occasion
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At the moment it is an easy decision - only Buendia should start.
Coutinho has contributed very little in recent games and versus Bolton he was poor - two abject shots in the first half and a woeful freekick, followed by a terrible pass intended for Watkins when he only needed to lift it over the last defender.
I also think at the moment that the ambition of players to involve him in the build-up (as with Grealish) is slowing down the speed of our attacks. And when he drops into midfield to get on the ball it is more often disruptive than the prompt for something incisive. UTV.
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Both. We have so little subtlety and craft in the team, we should be throwing it all at the pitch.
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Just the size of them and physicallity at defending set plays would be a target for opposition.
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Just the size of them and physicallity at defending set plays would be a target for opposition.
Not if we left them both up the pitch.
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At the moment it is an easy decision - only Buendia should start.
Coutinho has contributed very little in recent games and versus Bolton he was poor - two abject shots in the first half and a woeful freekick, followed by a terrible pass intended for Watkins when he only needed to lift it over the last defender.
I also think at the moment that the ambition of players to involve him in the build-up (as with Grealish) is slowing down the speed of our attacks. And when he drops into midfield to get on the ball it is more often disruptive than the prompt for something incisive. UTV.
Coutinhio was poor first half against Bolton as were most of the team, but for 20 minutes in the second half he ran the show, which coincided with us dominating the game.
It was only Bolton, but if he can get his confidence up and play like that, he will still be some player for us this season. We really do need him on form and in the team.
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Watkins and Ings don't work and these guys both struggled recently when played so try them together again? Play Bouba, Tim and Dougie behind them? Watkins upfront. Sorted!
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Neither vs West Ham
Would prefer to consolidate in the central midfield area to counteract Rice.
2 holding then Ramsey, mcginn and luiz having licence to get forward maybe?
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Buendia for me. Brother met him in the Villa shop the other day and my niece is nearly already bigger than him! (She's 13). Was funny to think that he actually went in to the shop to get his kids a villa kit rather than just phoning someone else to do it. Fair play.
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I see Vs West Ham it's back to Coutinho Watkins and Ings Vs West Ham
I think that the 3 that played v Everton yet it was Buendía that made the difference.
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I've heard Coutinho pulled his hamstring or cramp
That's a concern.
But now it's enforced to bring Buendía on so that's a plus.
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Hopefully.
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Can’t help but think that Courtinho was an expensive gamble that’s gone badly wrong.
Cramp after 60 mins ? Pathetic. Such a lightweight. Totally lacking in physically and athleticism. Unfit for the PL.
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To get away with playing Coutinho, you would need to have a group of serious athletes all around him. We have likes of Ings and Luiz. Coutinho walks around the pitch, the odd nice touch here and there but that's it. He's done at the highest level.
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From what I understand and read, Rice was being shadowed by Coutinho, and when PC went off, Buendía failed to stay on task, allowing Declan Rice to step forward and pass the ball to Fornals for the goal.
I've since watched footage and it is the case Buendía had not done his duty in preventing the goal in his failing to disrupt their buildup, which may be a reason why SG prefers the more experienced Coutinho and would be concerned about playing both. I can't imagine SG will be happy with Buendia for that one.
Indeed the Guardian wrote:
"Risking Emiliano Buendía in creative tandem with Philippe Coutinho continues to be off-limits and a big part of Coutinho’s detail was to stick as close to Rice whenever Villa were out of possession, the West Ham captain struggling with such close attention....
And when Rice strode forward to set up Fornals’ goal he was no longer being shadowed. Clearly missing the memo, Buendía was nowhere near and Emiliano Martínez could only watch as the ball spun beyond his reach and in."
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Doesn’t tally with what I saw.
West Ham Sat deep in the first half with five at the back and two central holding midfielders. This nullified us trying to play through the middle.
In the second half they changed their shape. Rice pushed them 30 yards higher up the pitch and controlled the right side with ease picking out quick incisive passes. Rice was in control regardless of Coutinho or Buendia being on the pitch.
In other threads on here, several posts make the point that luiz going off and giving rice more freedom was the telling change.
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Coutinho shadowed Rice? Was this on Earth 2.0?
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Coutinho shadowed Rice?
Complete bollocks,
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He was really buzzing around in the first 25 minutes, trying to make things happen. I feel him, his form isn't great but he hasn't got much to work with, his teammates seem to want to pull up a chair and watch once they give him the ball.
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Yep, some of his passes in the first half were superb.
As for him supposedly supposed to be shadowing Rice, what nonsense that is.
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Doesn’t tally with what I saw.
West Ham Sat deep in the first half with five at the back and two central holding midfielders. This nullified us trying to play through the middle.
In the second half they changed their shape. Rice pushed them 30 yards higher up the pitch and controlled the right side with ease picking out quick incisive passes. Rice was in control regardless of Coutinho or Buendia being on the pitch.
In other threads on here, several posts make the point that luiz going off and giving rice more freedom was the telling change.
Luiz was on the other side of the field to Rice. From memory it was Ramsey who was left of the three when Luiz went off and McGinn stupidly switched over. I thought Rice ran all over Kamara all second half to be honest, including that time he had to fly kick him down. Rice was rubbish in the first half but best player on pitch in second. Benrahma did well when he came on too. Bowen and their new striker were useless.
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He was really buzzing around in the first 25 minutes, trying to make things happen. I feel him, his form isn't great but he hasn't got much to work with, his teammates seem to want to pull up a chair and watch once they give him the ball.
Coutinho had minimal impact yet again and was shot way before he ducked out at around the hour mark.
I’ve been slated on here in the past for saying it going to be like Micah Richards all over again, but after 20+ appearances I’ll stand by my comments.
He’s had a pre season and still doesn’t look fit. Players that tire easily tend to pick up more injuries - he limped off again yesterday.
All in all I think we’re seeing why nobody else was interested in him and hasn’t played anything like a full season for a few years.
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Coutinho played well, IMO. Some people seem to have decided to criticise him before kick off. Watkins offered fuck all. Stop playing two up front and play Buendia and Coutinho together, you twat.
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Doesn’t tally with what I saw.
West Ham Sat deep in the first half with five at the back and two central holding midfielders. This nullified us trying to play through the middle.
In the second half they changed their shape. Rice pushed them 30 yards higher up the pitch and controlled the right side with ease picking out quick incisive passes. Rice was in control regardless of Coutinho or Buendia being on the pitch.
In other threads on here, several posts make the point that luiz going off and giving rice more freedom was the telling change.
Luiz was on the other side of the field to Rice. From memory it was Ramsey who was left of the three when Luiz went off and McGinn stupidly switched over. I thought Rice ran all over Kamara all second half to be honest, including that time he had to fly kick him down. Rice was rubbish in the first half but best player on pitch in second. Benrahma did well when he came on too. Bowen and their new striker were useless.
You're right about mcginn switching so Ramsey could play on the left, and we agree Rice was the best player on the pitch in the second half by some distance.
In the first half I think Rice might have been on their left. Certainly saw a lot of him on our side of the pitch from the Witton Lane stand anyway.
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Coutinho played well, IMO. Some people seem to have decided to criticise him before kick off. Watkins offered fuck all. Stop playing two up front and play Buendia and Coutinho together, you twat.
Buendia/Coutinho have been rubbish when they have played together. Both occupying the same space. I was a bit disappointed with Buendia when he came on. I'm sure when Bailey came in he was meant to switch to the left but instead he just stuck in the middle. Left Digne isolated on left side and Ramsey/Buendia getting in each other's way.
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If they occupy the same space, maybe the manager should like, give them instructions to run in different places?
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They haven't been rubbish when they played together. They've hardly played together.
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If they occupy the same space, maybe the manager should like, give them instructions to run in different places?
Crazy talk.
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Well the manager manages to fit Ings and Watkins in the same team brilliantly so I don’t see what the problem …………
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If they can’t play together, one of them should be moved on. Soon.
But let’s let the next manager make that call.
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I thought the first 45 mins were by far his best of the season so far, low bar though it may be. He was pretty good with a couple of nice flourishes, but the play was too deep for him to have a meaningful impact. Faded badly after that.
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We remember Coutino the last time he played in the prem, the years have not been kind.
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Buendía gets the nod v Arsenal tonight
Expecting good things
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Buendía was awful Vs Arsenal.
No idea and he tries way too hard.
Its interesting to note both Buendía and Coutinho started v Man City at the end of last season.
I think we could see that again on Saturday
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Christ he was shite last night. It's been the same for years, loads of players that look good off the bench in the last 20 mins, then they're given a start and look shite against opposition that aren't already tired.
He coughs up posession so cheaply at times it undoes any positive work he does.
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Both on the bench. Who saw that coming?
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Both on the bench. Who saw that coming?
Mad isn't it.
Really need some points and our manager puts his two most creative players on the bench.
Fraud.
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Trying to keep the score down rather than win the game. Buendia is full of energy.
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Trying to keep the score down rather than win the game. Buendia is full of energy.
You’re probably not far off the mark with that.
0-0 or 1 goal down with 20 to go we could potentially change the front three and it would be a totally different set up, if that makes sense.
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Or, getting it absolutely spot on tactically!
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Buendia and Coutinho both started versus forest however only Buendia deserves any sort of comment let alone praise for tonight as PC was way below par. Buendia nothing special but at least apparent
There was a statistical evidence to suggest when these two should not be dining on the football feast table together.
In fact it's one win in 10 or so matches when they have played together and that's it.
Clearly Buendia and Coutinho where selected v Forest as SG saw an opportunity against a weaker premier league team however its apparent Coutinho is very limited in what he's offering the team at the moment even when we play the team bottom of the league.
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The answer is categorically, no. See Watkins/Ings and probably McGinn/Ramsey too.
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Certainly shouldn't both be playing wide. Coutinho maybe could with an attacking full-back playing on the same side, but Buendia has struggled when he has played wide. One of them should be playing in behind one of Watkins, Ings or Archer and the other on the bench.
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When the focal point of attack is Ollie Watkins then it really doesn’t matter if it’s both or either.
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Option for both on the bench?
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Option for both on the bench?
That's a consideration these days!
Wonder if one of them will start vs Fulham and one of them vs Brentford
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I wonder if Emery will start either , neither or both today or on Thursday
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Anything is possible.
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Second half vs. Leicester sees Coutinho come on for Ramsey and that he and Buendia will be on the pitch together.
Lets see if they can work and turnaround the match.
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Not looking like it.
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Theres no room for Coutinho where we want to go. Ineffectual yet has the ability. This is Gerrards fault! Whereas EB neaely scored goal of the seaso and unlucky not to have scored today also hitting woodwork again.
Made some delightful play and i lost hope PC can offer much and has far less energy than Buendia. The change for Ramsey seemed unnecessary considering now in hindsight. Squad game, though, and like Disney Digne given his chance for a half but fails audition and don't think Buendia being on or off the pitch impacts Coutinho influence! PC disappointed me so much
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Has to go at the end of the season.
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Has to go at the end of the season.
Totally agree, he is finished, offered absolutely nothing!
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Will be scrutineered after the home match against Arsenal as both start.
Emery will have given instructions on how they are to play so lets hope they both show some form as the ability is undisputed.
I think long team meetings will have them and the team knowing exactly whats expected.
Can see Coutinho scoring today.
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Emery will have given instructions on how they are to play
The kit man will have put the kit and boots out for them too.
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Emery will have given instructions on how they are to play
The kit man will have put the kit and boots out for them too.
As Gerrard would have said everything is in place at this club. No excuses!
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Will be scrutineered after the home match against Arsenal as both start.
Emery will have given instructions on how they are to play so lets hope they both show some form as the ability is undisputed.
I think long team meetings will have them and the team knowing exactly whats expected.
Can see Coutinho scoring today.
Yes they can!
Great goal and understanding between Coutinho and Buendia!
Wonderful!
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Will be scrutineered after the home match against Arsenal as both start.
Emery will have given instructions on how they are to play so lets hope they both show some form as the ability is undisputed.
I think long team meetings will have them and the team knowing exactly whats expected.
Can see Coutinho scoring today.
Yes they can!
Great goal and understanding between Coutinho and Buendia!
Wonderful!
:D
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Yes both can start but who do you replace them with when they both run out of gas?
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Interesting that it was more of a 4-3-3 when we were in possession of the ball today, with Phil and Emi either side of Watkins. When Arsenal had the ball, McGinn dropped into the back line to make a five at the back.
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It worries me that their legs had gone very early in the second half, Emery made changes earlier than usual but it only weakened us. It has shown up in many games now that a lot of Villa players cannot last ninety minutes.
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Buendia is an odd one. He's got great feet, and he really put himself about a bit today, full of energy especially first half when he was buzzing all over the place. His passing though, can be really hit or miss. Iit's something with his skill that he should be much better at, but too many times he misses his target by miles.
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Buendia is an odd one. He's got great feet, and he really put himself about a bit today, full of energy especially first half when he was buzzing all over the place. His passing though, can be really hit or miss. Iit's something with his skill that he should be much better at, but too many times he misses his target by miles.
Yup, very noticeable in the first half.
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Buendia is an odd one. He's got great feet, and he really put himself about a bit today, full of energy especially first half when he was buzzing all over the place. His passing though, can be really hit or miss. Iit's something with his skill that he should be much better at, but too many times he misses his target by miles.
Yup, very noticeable in the first half.
His decision making on passing is woeful at times and was extremely noticeable on Saturday when we and he in particular seemed to cough up possession far too readily. I don’t want to take away his ability to create from the positions he takes up but he takes the wrong option far too frequently.
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Buendia is an odd one. He's got great feet, and he really put himself about a bit today, full of energy especially first half when he was buzzing all over the place. His passing though, can be really hit or miss. It's something with his skill that he should be much better at, but too many times he misses his target by miles.
Yup, very noticeable in the first half.
His decision making on passing is woeful at times and was extremely noticeable on Saturday when we and he in particular seemed to cough up possession far too readily. I don’t want to take away his ability to create from the positions he takes up but he takes the wrong option far too frequently.
My observation is that he needs to develop more composure in his play and think about it because he gets overly enthusiastic. On these occasions, he rushes, which results in his overhitting passes in many a game for a throughball to Watkins, which would see Ollie away on goal, or EB passes to a teammate that are really simple for him yet go out of play.
Emery knows and is working on him. Buendía has this tendency to become overly emotional, so he needs to control it. He frequently makes gestures and raises his arms, and during the melee against Arsenal, he was quick to get involved, and Mingsy had to enforce a restraining order on him by holding him back!
So yeah, he's undoubtedly temperamental by nature, which is a hindrance at times to his play. He simply needs to change his outlook. It's good that Emery is aware of the situation and trying to assist him through coaching and communication.
Emery:
" I think Buendia’s best quality is his mentality. He is always pushing and sometimes I have to stop him I have to control his mind because he gets so excited sometimes and he is not clear in his thoughts about what he is going to do next on the pitch. I’ve been speaking a lot to everybody and to Emi Buendia especially"
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His stepover for Coutinho's goal was a brilliant bit of play. As was the whole move.
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Buendia is an odd one. He's got great feet,