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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on February 11, 2022, 11:59:54 AM
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FTF! 1-3 to the Villa. No worries.
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Even before the Leeds game I was convinced we'd lose this... Now with Konsa out, questions over Buendia and Coutinho and the fact that Slavecastle are building up a head of steam, I am even more convinced that we'll be leaving empty handed.
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Depending on injuries i hope he makes changes
McGinn
Luiz
Watkins
IMHO were awful on Wed and we have adequate replacements to change it around
Chuck
Sanson
Ings
Bailey
Traore (if his walk back from Africa is completed by then)
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Other than the forced Konsa change it would just be Ings for Watkins for me.
I Like Luiz when he pushes forward, but I think we need him to play a more disciplined DM role. I think the idea against Leeds was that they all interchange to make it difficult for the opposition to pick up our midfield runners. Obviously it worked beautifully with Ramsey, but we looked all at sea defensively and Leeds just had too much space.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
McGinn Luiz Ramsey
Buendia Ings Coutinho
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A bit late in the day for a pre-match thread, the Leeds one was up three months before we played them! Mods out !
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I'm still going for a Villa win though Wednesday's result (and especially the performance barring the 15 mins before half time) has knocked my confidence in getting the 3 points. This in part is due to our poor possession stats against Leeds and the collective lack of defensive cohesion demonstrated. These are areas our management/coaches need to work on otherwise 1 win in 7 won't make good reading for our "upgrade" in manager.
It is only the jaudis after all!
UTV!
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Trust our luck to go up there when it's all sweetness and light for them rather than the dark days of Bruce. I'd make SJM defensive mid, bring Sanson in for Doug and play Hause rather than Chambers to counteract that big lump from Burnley.
I'm hoping for a nice little win but fear a defeat draped in that old coat of North East bullshit that we had to endure back in the 90's.
2-0
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FTF! 1-3 to the Villa. No worries.
Thank you for commencing the pre match thread !
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Ah, everybody's second favourite team / evil oil empire.
Somebody mentioned above that Coutinho and Buendia are doubts - that right? With them in the team I fancy us to win, but if not so I would take a point now if offered.
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Oh, and Watkins surely needs dropping for this one.
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I bit worried about this one St Maximin is quite the handful and unplayable basically. I can see Chambers coming in and doing his best to take him out!
Wood probably get his first goal for Newcastle but I'll say we sneak a win if we don't have too many first choices out like Coutinho and Buendia.
Ings to come in and brace.
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Chris Wood hasn't scored yet for them yet. If you could play any team in the world to break your duck sure it would be us?
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Big game for Chambers - if he plays well he might just stay in the team and Konsa could only blame himself.
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Trust our luck to go up there when it's all sweetness and light for them rather than the dark days of Bruce. I'd make SJM defensive mid, bring Sanson in for Doug and play Hause rather than Chambers to counteract that big lump from Burnley.
I'm hoping for a nice little win but fear a defeat draped in that old coat of North East bullshit that we had to endure back in the 90's.
2-0
The Steve Bruce Derby it is.
I found out only yesterday he is manager of WBA!!
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What BE said!
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Wood to score of course.
Mings for us.
1-1
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Kieran Trippier could be out. Big plus for us.
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We showed at Everton we're actually ok with conventional attacking, it was the specific approach of Leeds exploiting our spaces with quick interplay, something they're well versed in, that caused us problems the other night, and it's something I don't worry about too much with Chris Wood.
I'd play Hause, Konsa's absence this time may be a blessing as Hause is by far and away our strongest defender in the air, and I'll reckon we'll burst their little bubble with a 3-1 win.
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Chris Wood hasn't scored yet for them yet. If you could play any team in the world to break your duck sure it would be us?
100 per cent ! Me and my non Villa fan dad joke about this all the time with us.
The hope I’m clinging to is Newcastle were “ due a win” and that came last week
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My gut feeling is that Cash will do OK against Maximin. We'll also have too much going forward for them, especially if we have the pace of Bailey and/or the trickery of Traore to come in should Coutinho (still not quite sure I believe I'm typing that) or Buendia not be fit.
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Villa win 0-3 I think we’re being a bit harsh on them after Leeds, who are a much better side than Newcastle. We were superb for a lot of that game and if we’d gone in at 3-1 I think we would have won comfortably. I said for Leeds that Ings should be starting and he surely must for this but I’d keep McGinn and Luiz in.
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When you look at the line up they put out against Everton, it is not exactly frightening. Maximin being the obvious exception.
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I felt a draw coming for the last match.
I think we will win this one.
I think Mings is on his last chance before being dropped.
We'll be OK and win this game.
2-1 to us.
FTF
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Would have been a no brainier win for us a few weeks ago but after our defensive display on Wednesday, a draw would be a good result.
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I felt a draw coming for the last match.
I think we will win this one.
I think Mings is on his last chance before being dropped.
We'll be OK and win this game.
2-1 to us.
FTF
No chance of that happening.
They'll be full of themselves after beating Everton. Contain them initially, then pick them off.
We will win this.
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I've voted for Villa, standard, but this has banana skin written all over it. Hoping for us to look organised and interested as we were a few games ago. On paper I think we should be favourites but when is it ever that simple.
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Assuming he’s out Emi B is a massive loss for us.
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When you look at the line up they put out against Everton, it is not exactly frightening. Maximin being the obvious exception.
An unbelievable exception
Have you seen this guy?
He's like Neymar, Mbappe, Grealish and Adama rolled into one!
I'm afraid this lot are going to dominating with Man City in 18 months. And probably have those 4 in the squad!
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When you look at the line up they put out against Everton, it is not exactly frightening. Maximin being the obvious exception.
An unbelievable exception
Have you seen this guy?
He's like Neymar, Mbappe, Grealish and Adama rolled into one!
You are definately on the wind up.
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Wood to score of course.
Mings for us.
1-1
Newcastle 1 Villa 2
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Typically Traore has returned from the AFCON with a hamstring injury and will be missing for a few weeks according to SG! The guy is never fit for Villa.
On the plus side Trippier is a big doubt for them with a calf injury...... Targett is ineligible for this.
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I still don't rate Newcastle. To be fair they are still in the very early stages of their latest 'project' but we are still
ahead of them in that respect and I expect us to beat them.
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2-1 Newcastle.
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When you look at the line up they put out against Everton, it is not exactly frightening. Maximin being the obvious exception.
An unbelievable exception
Have you seen this guy?
He's like Neymar, Mbappe, Grealish and Adama rolled into one!
You are definately on the wind up.
Watch him Sunday then
When he's flying he puts players on the floor by bamboozling and makes things happen
Granted he has some to improve but he's very talented and frightening to defend against
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He didn't do much at Villa Park this season..
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Trains are screwed, our player of the month is likely injured, they've started winning out of nowhere. FTFGFs.
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He didn't do much at Villa Park this season..
I think we worked out that by putting 3 players on him, the rest of that team were unlikely to offer much.
Fantastic player.
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Hes good, has stood out like a sore thumb in that team for the past 18 months. A hybrid of "Neymar, Mbappe and Grealish" he most certainly aint.
If Buendia is out, I'd move Mcginn into one of the 10's and play Sanson in midfield. I suspect it'll be back to Watkins as a 10 with Ings up front thouf.
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Wood to score of course.
Mings for us.
1-1
So you are saying a goal and an assist for Mings?
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Hes good, has stood out like a sore thumb in that team for the past 18 months. A hybrid of "Neymar, Mbappe and Grealish" he most certainly aint.
If Buendia is out, I'd move Mcginn into one of the 10's and play Sanson in midfield. I suspect it'll be back to Watkins as a 10 with Ings up front thouf.
Agreed on the McGinn/Sanson switch. Think that's McGinn's best position. If Gerrard tries Watkins/Ings paired together again then we have a serious problem. I don't think he will though, Watkins has been dreadful last two games so I'd be very surprised if Ings isn't given a start.
Big game for Sanson if picked. You can see he is a talented player but to play in midfield at this level you have to be able to physically compete for 90+ mins. Not sure if has that in him to be honest but only one way to find out.
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He's like Neymar, Mbappe, Grealish and Adama rolled into one!
I'm afraid this lot are going to dominating with Man City in 18 months. And probably have those 4 in the squad!
In related news I'm afraid that in 18 months Scarlett Johansson is going to make me sign a prenup before marrying me.
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Everton mate who went said Newcastle lack quality, they just outworked them and took advantage of Townsend filling in at wingback.
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They'll be on a high after back to back wins. 1 - 1 draw
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They’ll be on a high, we score one on the break, they fall apart, we win 3-0.
F**.k them.
We may not win this, bit if we’re fearing this lot we have got a serious inferiority complex.
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2-0.
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Wood to score of course.
Mings for us.
1-1
So you are saying a goal and an assist for Mings?
I hadn't thought of that! But yes, it'll probably happen :D
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The pre match Leeds thread was wildly over optimistic with some of the predictions. Good to see were back to normal.
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The pre match Leeds thread was wildly over optimistic with some of the predictions. Good to see were back to normal.
1-4
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Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz
McGinn
Sanson
Ramsey
Coutinho
Ings
We’re overdue a win up there
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Human Rights Abusers 1 Villa 2. Targett/ Targett (2 o.g.)
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Wood to score of course.
Mings for us.
1-1
So you are saying a goal and an assist for Mings?
Chuckles grimly...
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Human Rights Abusers 1 Villa 2. Targett/ Targett (2 o.g.)
He's not allowed to play.
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I would shake things up a bit.
Konsa is suspended. Wasn’t impressed by Watkins, Mings, McGinn and Dougie midweek.
So this is what I’d do
Martinez
Cash Hause Mings Digne
Chambers
Ramsay Sanson/McGinn
Coutinho Ings Watkins
I don’t really like playing Ings and Watkins on the same side, but with Buendia out and Bailey maybe a week too early, I can’t see any other way of playing this right now. But obviously, moving players around a bit.
Chambers got a lot of accolades and plaudits when he was a DM for Fulham… I can’t see any reason why we wouldn’t play him there.
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I think Newcastle will be up for it but also think they will be easier to play against than leeds were
St Max is obviously that big danger if he’s on one he will be difficult to contain
But we have our own players who if on there game can be just as dangerous
I’m actually more confident about getting a result against Newcastle then I was about Leeds even though I thought we would beat Leeds
2-4
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9 Bournemouth Lions driving up for this. 4.30 start!. Our record up there is not great. Just no stupid early defensive mistakes please. Grow into the game and hopefully we can get a well overdue win.
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Pushing Ramsey forward will inhibit what he does best, driving runs from midfield.
So its either freeing up McGinn and moving him further forward or Ollie out right. Ollie is better coming of the left but I wouldn't want the link up with Coutinho and Ramsey to suffer.
I quite like the idea of Chambers playing DM as Dougie certainly doesn't work in that position.
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The pre match Leeds thread was wildly over optimistic with some of the predictions. Good to see were back to normal.
guilty as charged your honour. Draw.
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The pre match Leeds thread was wildly over optimistic with some of the predictions. Good to see were back to normal.
1-4
0.5
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I think there will be plenty goals scored by both sides
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Our record up there is rubbish. Hard to think we've won twice at Old Trafford since our last win at SJP in 2005.
We've also not scored more than one goal up there since that year so along with Man. City our worst away ground for results these days.
Worry this will be similar to Brentford and we'll lose 2-1.
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It's not often that we go up against opponents that I actually have a measure of respect for, and don't despise with practically every fibre of my being.
This isn't one of those occasions.
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I'd go with;
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Dinge
Sanson
Luiz
McGinn
Countinho
Ramsey
Ings
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I'm going to this I can see us winning 2-1.
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Ings for me simply has to start. I think if anyone can take advantage of the movement and creativity of Coutinho, Buendia, JJ it’s him. He’s a proven PL striker. He might not put in the work and distance run of Watkins but he is a brilliant finisher if you give him the chances
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The pre match Leeds thread was wildly over optimistic with some of the predictions. Good to see were back to normal.
1-4
0.5
H&V could well be the first bipolar football forum ;D
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I'd go with;
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Dinge
Sanson
Luiz
McGinn
Countinho
Ramsey
Ings
That is the team I hope he picks
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Yeah the added benefit being having Ramsey on the right in Buendia’ position is he’ll offer more protection against the full back which will allow Mcginn to protect Cash against ASM.
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Who gets in for Buendia is the interesting question Danny Ings, Ashley Young,Morgan Sanson and Carney Chukwuemeka all possibilities.
I've included Sanson or though I think he's out if favour and nor fancied much by Gerrard. He was hauled off v Man Utd and hasn't been selected since
If he gets the nod to start maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think he's first choice midfielder.
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Ings for me simply has to start. I think if anyone can take advantage of the movement and creativity of Coutinho, Buendia, JJ it’s him. He’s a proven PL striker. He might not put in the work and distance run of Watkins but he is a brilliant finisher if you give him the chances
100% best striker and proven. Ings in for me aswell.
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How long is Buendia out for?
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Ings in for Watkins, not as replacement for EmiB.
Bailey supposed to be on the bench, but maybe he can start instead and see how long he lasts. I'd feel more confident about bringing on one of Footy-Vil's subs for Leon after 60+ mins if necessary.
Less likely but we could also go with Hause in for Konsa, Chambers in for EmiB at DM and push Luiz or McGinn up alongside Phillipe.
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Just FTFBCENBASGB
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This is the biggest following we're taking up there in 30 odd years too.
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Better mind your Ps and Qs if you're going tomorrow and remember, no criticisms of the Saudi regime. https://twitter.com/MarkydeSade1964/status/1492402174147629056
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All this talk about Ings being a proven striker and our best striker and he hasn't really impressed me.
Hes had chances as well and hes fluffed quite a lot of them.
I hope he shuts me right up, but I have the feeling that it will be another game where he goes missing.
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9 Bournemouth Lions driving up for this. 4.30 start!. Our record up there is not great.
That's a 12 hour round drive! I doff my cap to you all.
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All this talk about Ings being a proven striker and our best striker and he hasn't really impressed me.
Hes had chances as well and hes fluffed quite a lot of them.
I hope he shuts me right up, but I have the feeling that it will be another game where he goes missing.
I think this is right. Watkins has been getting a lot of criticism in recent weeks on H&V, but for me both our strikers are simply very low on confidence and need a goal. The difference is one of them is all about pressing from the front and the other is a fox in the box.
I can see why posters are calling for Ings, but part of me thinks Ollies pressing will force mistakes from their dodgy centre backs. And his running will open up space for Ramsey and Brazilian Phil.
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All this talk about Ings being a proven striker and our best striker and he hasn't really impressed me.
Hes had chances as well and hes fluffed quite a lot of them.
I hope he shuts me right up, but I have the feeling that it will be another game where he goes missing.
That's a fair point and based on recent showings the case indeed. However there is a bit of pedigree there and hoping his experience tells at some point. Certainly him starting doesn't guarantee but he scored Vs these lot at Villa park and like Buendia who has settled at some time hopeful Ings is firing. Hasn't made enough of an impact and I think injuries, systems and manager changes haven't totally helped if he's starting he needs the right support around him and quality service otherwise could well as you say be missing.
Hope you can enjoy the match and we look for a positive result. Fair issue on Ings thus far.
Up the Villa
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All this talk about Ings being a proven striker and our best striker and he hasn't really impressed me.
Hes had chances as well and hes fluffed quite a lot of them.
I hope he shuts me right up, but I have the feeling that it will be another game where he goes missing.
I think this is right. Watkins has been getting a lot of criticism in recent weeks on H&V, but for me both our strikers are simply very low on confidence and need a goal. The difference is one of them is all about pressing from the front and the other is a fox in the box.
I can see why posters are calling for Ings, but part of me thinks Ollies pressing will force mistakes from their dodgy centre backs. And his running will open up space for Ramsey and Brazilian Phil.
Ings does press and works hard for the team but his biggest assets are goal scoring. He is tireless in his effort from what I've seen over his time at Southampton and at times here seen him cover down to right back and left back! I think systems used and role he plays has not totally been of strength but I think he's someone who does a lot of good off the ball work and has footy intelligent off the ball. I could see Coutinho feeding him handsomely and Digne service too for that matter.
I certainly don't mind Watkins wide forward and Ings central.
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At Northampton services M1. So early, nothing open for breakfast.
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All this talk about Ings being a proven striker and our best striker and he hasn't really impressed me.
Hes had chances as well and hes fluffed quite a lot of them.
I hope he shuts me right up, but I have the feeling that it will be another game where he goes missing.
Agreed. In fact I'm shocked at how poor he's been.
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At Northampton services M1. So early, nothing open for breakfast.
Try Tibshelf. Just gone past there
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At Northampton services M1. So early, nothing open for breakfast.
How about trying to get to Newcastle without stopping and then have an all day breakfast on deep-fried stottie? The calorific value will see you through the next 48 hours and make you realise why the city's Freeman Hospital is a leader in cardiology.
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Quite worried about this one. Chambers is the natural right footed replcement for Konsa, but I'd stick Hause in there to deal with Wood (*and stop Wood breaking his duck!).
Also, if Buendia is out, I'd go:
Martinez
Cash Hause Mings Digne
Chambers
McGinn Sanson Ramsey
Coutinho
Ings
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I fear for us here.
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Surely we won't change our system for bloody Newcastle.
Martinez
Cash. Chambers. Mings. Digne
McGinn. Luiz. Ramsey
Buendia (Watkins) Watkins (Ings) Coutinho
Is my guess
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Surely we won't change our system for bloody Newcastle.
Martinez
Cash. Chambers. Mings. Digne
McGinn. Luiz. Ramsey
Buendia (Watkins) Watkins (Ings) Coutinho
Is my guess
I hope he has worked out the Ollie Ings combination does not work.
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Yep same here. If Buendia is out, I’d play Ramsey there with Sanson in midfield.
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Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Ramsey
Luiz
McGinn
Coutinho
Watkins
Ings
Is how I think he will set us up
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I really, really hope that he doesn't play Watkins and Ings if Bunedia is out. It didn't work under Smith, and it hasn't worked under Gerrard. It just doesn't work, end of story.
I'd go:
Martinez
Cash Hause Mings Digne
Sanson McGinn Luiz
Coutinho Ramsey
Ings
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Yep same here. If Buendia is out, I’d play Ramsey there with Sanson in midfield.
Yeah so would I - I think he’ll play Watkins and Ings though instead.
I don’t think he fancies sanson any more than dean did
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Is Buendia the only new injury from Wednesday?
If so I’d play the same team with Young coming in for him I think.
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There seems to be one if those group think things that occasionally happens on here regarding Ings, if you think Watkins is getting dropped after Wednesday I think you're going to be disappointed.
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Is Buendia the only new injury from Wednesday?
If so I’d play the same team with Young coming in for him I think.
For me Young is a back up full back, a good one
but he’s no prem midfielder
Sanson or Chuck for me
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I'd pick Ings over Watkins today, and play Chuck if Buendia is out. Chambers to come in for Konsa.
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I'd pick Ings over Watkins today, and play Chuck if Buendia is out. Chambers to come in for Konsa.
Same
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There seems to be one if those group think things that occasionally happens on here regarding Ings, if you think Watkins is getting dropped after Wednesday I think you're going to be disappointed.
He should be, he's been awful for weeks.
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There seems to be one if those group think things that occasionally happens on here regarding Ings, if you think Watkins is getting dropped after Wednesday I think you're going to be disappointed.
He should be, he's been awful for weeks.
He's not been great, I know, but he still makes it harder work for the centre halves than Ings would and he makes the space for the others to play. We just look a better team with him on the pitch.
I'm with you on playing them together though, fuck that.
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If Emi is out, would like to see Sanson start, the number of starts he's had for us, you could almost count on the fingers of one hand, also a good opportunity to see what Chambers can do, with Konsa out for 2 games. The good news is Coutinho is fit, if he's on song watch out Geordies.
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Trippier might figure
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Is Buendia the only new injury from Wednesday?
If so I’d play the same team with Young coming in for him I think.
For me Young is a back up full back, a good one
but he’s no prem midfielder
Sanson or Chuck for me
I wouldn’t be too upset with any of the three but I think Young is the best for the wider position but likes to get stuck in and has the experience. I think it could be tricky today, they’re picking up at the moment and I fancy Young in there under the circumstances.
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We never do well up there and I'm still suffering from the Leeds-game. I thought defensive frailties like that were a thing of the past so now I'm back to not trusting this team and expect us to lose badly today.
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Trippier might figure
Good as it will mean he is not 100%.
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I wouldn’t be too upset with any of the three but I think Young is the best for the wider position but likes to get stuck in and has the experience. I think it could be tricky today, they’re picking up at the moment and I fancy Young in there under the circumstances.
Absolutely not in my opinion. He's a nothing player when played in one of the attacking roles. I'll be really disappointed if he starts today.
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I wouldn’t be too upset with any of the three but I think Young is the best for the wider position but likes to get stuck in and has the experience. I think it could be tricky today, they’re picking up at the moment and I fancy Young in there under the circumstances.
Absolutely not in my opinion. He's a nothing player when played in one of the attacking roles. I'll be really disappointed if he starts today.
and me
Same trap that Smith fell into
If you have a £16 million player fit who has played reasonably well in the past Looking to prove himself more and a young player coming through showing he can do it at this level,
And you bring in a 36-year-old full back out of position in front of them both there is something massively wrong
That’s where we go backwards
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12 miles out of Newcastle and having listened to 5Live discussion, where we weren't mentioned once, I think I might just get my old man to turn us back. We've got no hope against these, apparently.
I hope we fucking funeral these ******.
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After Wednesday's defensive debacle, I'll be relieved if we manage to draw. Don't envy anyone being there with that North Sea wind chill factor today!
Hopefully we play Ings, and give Ollie a break. Interesting to see how Chambers does in that hostile crowd.
2-2, but I fear a 3-1 to them. :'(
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Same team as Wednesday with Chambers in for Konsa.
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Hope Gerrard knows what he’s doing, as Luiz, McGinn and Watkins don’t deserve to keep those shirts after Wednesday’s calamity imo.
What’s the point in squad depth if players totally out of form get the nod over players waiting in the wings, regardless of what they do/don’t do on the pitch? Sends totally the wrong message.
Really disappointed with that lineup but hoping to eat humble pie at FT.