Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 02:16:30 PM
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As he is now being widely speculated as the main candidate, or at least a strong candidate, I thought we should have a poll just for him.
You may be able to guess how I'm voting if you read the other threads...
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Depends who the alternative is!
If it’s Martinez, then Yes.
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No. Never.
Yuck
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I would like a "don't know" option.
I'm not normally a fence sitter, but for this I just don't know.
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Depends who the alternative is!
If it’s Martinez, then Yes.
If he looks like being interviewed we can add a "Martinez - yes or no" poll. Or maybe a poll asking who should be on the poll, and another one to decide preferred electoral system.
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No absolutely not!
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I don’t have any particular view on what his actual management might be like, as it’s difficult to know how Scottish & English premier leagues match up, but I do just think he is possibly the most boring man on the planet.
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I don’t have any particular view on what his actual management might be like, as it’s difficult to know how Scottish & English premier leagues match up, but I do just think he is possibly the most boring man on the planet.
erm...I would...erm agree there amfy...erm....
UTV
The Doc
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I would like a "don't know" option.
I'm not normally a fence sitter, but for this I just don't know.
"No" is your best bet, as it contains two of the letters from "don't know". Well, four of the letters, now I come to think about it.
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I don’t have any particular view on what his actual management might be like, as it’s difficult to know how Scottish & English premier leagues match up, but I do just think he is possibly the most boring man on the planet.
What could be boring about a man who appears to have his hair cut every single day?
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No, no, no, non, niet, nein.
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Had to vote no, as there wasn't a "Fuck No" option
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No!! Ralf Rangnick or AVB for me
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Phil Neville did a decent job with the England, that said not sure Gerrard it the right person to manage Villa Women. Carla Ward is doing just fine and has far more experience.
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If the alternative is Kasper Hjulmand, John Terry, Frank Lampard or a number of the other uninspiring suggestions then Yes.
If the alternative is a genuinely ambitious appointment then of course not.
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He's done a fine job at Glasgow Rangers and really turned them around. Those that suggest it's a Pub League yet want Ten Hag so badly who also operates in a League of a similar standard to the Scottish one baffle me slightly.
I'd love Roy Hodgson until the Summer but from the candidates on the list Gerrard would probably be my preferred choice.
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If the alternative is Kasper Hjulmand, John Terry, Frank Lampard or a number of the other uninspiring suggestions then Yes.
If the alternative is a genuinely ambitious appointment then of course not.
This.
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I've gone for no, on the basis it's too much of a gamble, however if he is appointed, he'll have my full backing, the bottom line is none of us know, if he will turn out to be a successful Premier league manager.
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I don’t have any particular view on what his actual management might be like, as it’s difficult to know how Scottish & English premier leagues match up, but I do just think he is possibly the most boring man on the planet.
You haven't heard Keir Starmer?
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Depends who the alternative is!
If it’s Martinez, then Yes.
Or Stephen Kenny.
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No, no, no, non, niet, nein.
Assuming that one no is in English, another in Spanish and the other in Italian? In any case these are my feelings too. Would love to be proved wrong if necessary.
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I think a better question might be do we think he will do well. My answer to that would be yes, he's a knob, and boring, but in my opinion the club will back him hard and he will do pretty well.
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Not for me, thanks. I was going to use the “he’s too young to take on such a big job” excuse/reason.Then I realised that Ron Saunders was the same age - 41- when he took over. Which has made me feel very old.
Still a “no” from me though.
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The club should back whoever they appoint. He might do well, he might not. He's more of a gamble and therefore has a lower percentage chance of doing well than a better qualified manager.
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A manager who's learnt his trade by pitching his wits against the likes of Ross County and Livingstone, won 1 trophy out of 9 available, what's not to like?
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I have met him several times - he previously lived about 200m from my home in Formby ( a home now inhabited by Herr Klopp)
I cant claim to know him but we have had a few short conversations (mainly in the local - The Freshfield) generally about Everton (his boyhood club)
He is not the easiest person to converse with but at least he had the courtesy to speak with the likes of me, my son and wife.
Always willing to have "selfies" taken and sign autographs.
He has been castigated by many for off field incidents that are well documented however I am also aware he has faced some unpleasant personal attacks and threats, particularly when he was linked with signing for Chelsea, but that says more about life on Merseyside than the man himself.
Do I want him as Villa Manager ? No, I just don`t see him fitting in at our club..... not sure who would be the best candidate to replace Dean Smith though
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No, no, no, non, niet, nein.
Assuming that one no is in English, another in Spanish and the other in Italian? In any case these are my feelings too. Would love to be proved wrong if necessary.
Correcto!
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Nah.
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If he walks through the door, he can turn around and walk straight back out again taking Purslow with him! I actually like Purslow but if this happens that will cease instantly.
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No it’s a stupid, lazy idea.
He should be no where near the job based on his managerial experience and achievements.
Also I can’t stand the bloke and the memories of his shit- houseness atVilla Park still rankle.
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It could be all bollocks.
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I'd like a third poll option: "Fuck, no."
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A double underlined No from me. He is what is called in horse racing circles a "talking horse". Talked about a lot with no actual proof of managerial ability at the level required.
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A double underlined No from me. He is what is called in horse racing circles a "talking horse". Talked about a lot with no actual proof of managerial ability at the level required.
I'm going to start calling him Mister Ed.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, erm yes (if we have to), but no not really exciting me, or peaking my interests. To be fair to Gerrard even though the last twelfth months of football haven't been the best, I loved Smith and always hoped it would turn around at some point soon. So it's a tough one to fill the void, whoever it is.
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No
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No. But I don't think it will be home anyway. Just noise.
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No. Nice and easy.
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Not many Birmingham mail readers on here then
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We had threads like this when it looked like we'd appoint McLaren. The club did a U turn and rocked up with McCleish.
Given some of the candidates it's suggested we're interested in, Stevie G looks like the best of a bad bunch.
It's remarkable. When you're discussing whether Villa should make a change, you kind of assume with our hugely rich owners would we'd go out and get someone outstanding. Someone that would make people sit up and say bloody hell! Not make do with a big name player still cutting his teeth.
Next time people say stuff like 'we're a huge draw', 'people would walk over broken glass to manage us' etc just remember what a shitlist we managed to come up wit this time.
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Not many Birmingham mail readers on here then
Used to get it occasionally. Never would now. It exists purely as a trollpaper, a regionalised TalkSport. They don't even get my clicks let alone my 30p (or however much it costs).
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I’ve gone with No purely based on my gut instinct that he will be shite.
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Given some of the candidates it's suggested we're interested in, Stevie G looks like the best of a bad bunch.
In that case can we have Deano back please?
I'm largely avoiding the speculation now because it'll do my head in. I sure won't be taking nonsence from places like Birmingham Live as gospel. I just think NSWE won't want to waste their investment in the club by taking someone untried at a good level. I'm being patient and whatever happens happens.
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No and I dont think he is the No1 choice. I'm trusting the club to have lined someone up that when announced, we all think 'ah, thats why they ditched DS, because he's a significant step up'. Gerrard doesn't fit the bill, at least not yet.
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Depends who the alternative is!
If it’s Martinez, then Yes.
Youd seriously want Gerrard instead of Martinez? Why?
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He's done a fine job at Glasgow Rangers and really turned them around. Those that suggest it's a Pub League yet want Ten Hag so badly who also operates in a League of a similar standard to the Scottish one baffle me slightly.
I'd love Roy Hodgson until the Summer but from the candidates on the list Gerrard would probably be my preferred choice.
They might both be pub leagues but Ajax are currently knocking the shit out of major clubs in the Champions League and Rangers lost to Malmo.
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If it's gets Danny Murphy to like the Villa, sign up Gerrard straight away,
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If it's gets Danny Murphy to like the Villa, sign up Gerrard straight away,
We don’t have a bridge or caves near VP so we don’t need the cave troll Danny Murphy to like us. I hope he carry’s in hating us. The bald wasp chewing faced helmet.
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He's done a fine job at Glasgow Rangers and really turned them around. Those that suggest it's a Pub League yet want Ten Hag so badly who also operates in a League of a similar standard to the Scottish one baffle me slightly.
I'd love Roy Hodgson until the Summer but from the candidates on the list Gerrard would probably be my preferred choice.
They might both be pub leagues but Ajax are currently knocking the shit out of major clubs in the Champions League and Rangers lost to Malmo.
They got beat by Spurs mind when it counted. But they have the benefit of CL money that Rangers don't and being able to sell "CL standard" players too.
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Martinez for me.
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Gerrard or Martinez.
WTF.
We have the money.
Get someone better.
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If it's gets Danny Murphy to like the Villa, sign up Gerrard straight away,
I quite like the fact the silly man hates us in such a strange way, it's rather odd.
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He's done a fine job at Glasgow Rangers and really turned them around. Those that suggest it's a Pub League yet want Ten Hag so badly who also operates in a League of a similar standard to the Scottish one baffle me slightly.
I'd love Roy Hodgson until the Summer but from the candidates on the list Gerrard would probably be my preferred choice.
They might both be pub leagues but Ajax are currently knocking the shit out of major clubs in the Champions League and Rangers lost to Malmo.
They got beat by Spurs mind when it counted. But they have the benefit of CL money that Rangers don't and being able to sell "CL standard" players too.
That ought to tell you something about how those leagues aren't really comparable. Well, they are, and Scotland compares very unfavourably.
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I don’t have any particular view on what his actual management might be like, as it’s difficult to know how Scottish & English premier leagues match up, but I do just think he is possibly the most boring man on the planet.
It's a no from me as there is a vast difference between the Scottish Premier league which I think is about Championship level and the EPL. Literally a different ball game.
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It's a no for me, I think we need to be looking for a more proven top-flight track record - and it will stay a 'no' right up until he's announced as the Villa manager at which point he gets my unwavering committed support.
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Im an old romantic deep down so it's a yes from me, Christian Purslow should follow his heart and appoint his girly crush.
Because there is no way that a move for Gerrard is based solely on his managerial career.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
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Wouldn't put it at championship level anymore,
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No Based on his qualifications for the role. Nothing at all to do with him as a person, Liverpool connection etc. I only care about him as a manager and whether or not he can end my current post match thread misery.
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Wrong thread. Apologies.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
Apart from the rogue 0.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
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Once you've seen it you can't take your eyes of it, like a large hairy mole.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
Apart from the rogue 0.
I think that's the touch that makes it.
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I hope this isn't Wes and Nassef's 'McLeish' moment.
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Have you been listening to 2 Unlimited again?
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We had threads like this when it looked like we'd appoint McLaren. The club did a U turn and rocked up with McCleish.
Given some of the candidates it's suggested we're interested in, Stevie G looks like the best of a bad bunch.
It's remarkable. When you're discussing whether Villa should make a change, you kind of assume with our hugely rich owners would we'd go out and get someone outstanding. Someone that would make people sit up and say bloody hell! Not make do with a big name player still cutting his teeth.
Next time people say stuff like 'we're a huge draw', 'people would walk over broken glass to manage us' etc just remember what a shitlist we managed to come up wit this time.
The club plays its cards close the chest these days and say little or nothing in the press - so we don`t actually know who is on a short list or if one exists.
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Given our new analytics-based approach to player recruitment, I wonder if the club is doing something similar with potential managers? There must be a whole raft of data out there about how managers are performing compared to things like the quality/age of their squad, money spent, the club's traditional league positions etc etc.
Surely there must be a list somewhere that says "these five managers have consistently over-performed with the resources at their disposal".
Am I naive in thinking that level of analysis is taking place somewhere at VP right now?
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Maybe I'm an island all of my own here, but I actually liked Gerrard a lot as a player. Can't question his loyalty, thought he always played well for England as well even when some of his peers did not.
Not sure how any of that translates to being a good manager, but when I think of good leaders I like people who are good at leading by example and I can't think of many better examples than him in recent memory.
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Given our new analytics-based approach to player recruitment, I wonder if the club is doing something similar with potential managers? There must be a whole raft of data out there about how managers are performing compared to things like the quality/age of their squad, money spent, the club's traditional league positions etc etc.
Surely there must be a list somewhere that says "these five managers have consistently over-performed with the resources at their disposal".
Am I naive in thinking that level of analysis is taking place somewhere at VP right now?
It wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. Surely the owners won't want to mess this up à la Lerner.
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Strange day. This morning I'd resigned myself to believing Slippy G is going to be announced as our new manager. Now I'm starting to believe our board can't be that stupid.
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Strange day. This morning I'd resigned myself to believing Slippy G is going going to be announced as our new manager. Now I'm starting to believe our board can't be that stupid.
The next stage then is obviously his immediate appointment
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Strange day. This morning I'd resigned myself to believing Slippy G is going going to be announced as our new manager. Now I'm starting to believe our board can't be that stupid.
The next stage then is obviously his immediate appointment
Trying to cheer me up, Mr B? >:(
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Happy to back him if he's appointed, but it's underwhelming when he's no more proven than Dean and it's clearly just a stepping-stone. I know most managers would see us as that, but it's so obvious with him that it is disappointing.
I don't see why we're not after Martinez/Potter/Favre and possibly even Fonseca. And if we can't get them, then why sack Dean before Palace and Brighton? We'd surely be in a better position to get a greater calibre of manager in the Summer.
Still, he will surely inspire, generate a lot of good feeling in the squad and in the game and has shown some promise so I'd welcome him. But to sack one of our own and go for another risk (who is mates with the chief exec) is a disappointing outcome, for me.
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It's the Villa, isn't it? Just when you think it's safe to have hope, wallop.
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I think (hope) the media have made a lazy link and the club are going along with it for a laugh/ smokescreen while they get someone more befitting of our stated ambition and stature.
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It's the Villa, isn't it? Just when you think it's safe to have hope, wallop.
Just another chapter in the never ending story of 'Aston Villa - The Missed Opportunities'.
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It's the Villa, isn't it? Just when you think it's safe to have hope, wallop.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
Apart from the rogue 0.
That's his inner SB trying to say 'och aye the noo'.
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What the fucking fuck have we fucking done. This better not be true.
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Looks to be the best of a dull bunch of options
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It will be an embarrassing joke of an appointment, fawning over a 'name'
He's nowhere near qualified to manage us.
I think replacing Smith was the right thing to do. Replacing him with Gerrard is definitely not the right thing to do.
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Without irony - and without question - your best ever post by a distance, SB.
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I think that's the touch that makes it.
Me too. Perfect imperfection.
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Is his main qualification for the job the fact he's "bezzy mates" with Purslow? WE need tp look harder if he's all we've found so far.
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Is his main qualification for the job the fact he's "bezzy mates" with Purslow? WE need tp look harder if he's all we've found so far.
Maybe we've installed a voice and face recognition lock on the manager's office that only responds to somebody screaming straight into it?
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It's the Villa, isn't it? Just when you think it's safe to have hope, wallop.
Yep, so underwhelming and another missed opportunity, classic Villa.
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This sums up my feelings better than I ever could myself.
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Great player. But miserable, depressive, uninspiring, under-qualified and totally wrong for what we need. I hope I’m proved wrong.
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Great player. But miserable, depressive, uninspiring, under-qualified and totally wrong for what we need. I hope I’m proved wrong.
Could be describing Steve Bruce or Alex McLeish there bud
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Well done, sickbeggar. The first time I've ever laughed while having 2Unlimited stuck in my head.
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I really do not fancy the waving at the KOP when we are 3 nil down and all that Jazz
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Well done, sickbeggar. The first time I've ever laughed while having 2Unlimited stuck in my head.
While Anita might inhabit your dreams tonight, mine will be plagued by Ian Paisley.
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Can he play DCM ?
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Well done, sickbeggar. The first time I've ever laughed while having 2Unlimited stuck in my head.
While Anita might inhabit your dreams tonight, mine will be plagued by Ian Paisley.
That they never formed a supergroup was a wasted opportunity, IMO.
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I really do not fancy the waving at the KOP when we are 3 nil down and all that Jazz
To be fair, while I don't want Gerrard, I think he'd be too canny for all that. Houllier seemed in a bit of a dreamworld by the time we got him. Gerrard would be switched on and professional enough to remain suitably detached.
Hopefully we never find out.
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How can the club realistically sack Dean Smith and consider Steven Gerrard an upgrade!
Nowhere near enough experience for the Villa job, and the constant Liverpool tie-ins are already making me sick to my stomach.
Far too much smoke on this one, so pretty sure it's nailed on. Hope to #5 it's not, but this IS Villa we're talking about.... Nas and Wes haven't put a foot wrong so far, but if we emerge from this with 'Stevie G' as a replacement manager for Dean Smith, it's a MASSIVE blot in their copy book. :(
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Can he play DCM ?
Ian Paisley? I think he always stuck rigidly to the right wing.
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If anybody still thinks gerrard, then read chris sutton’s comment.
“Eventually Gerrard will come down south and of course the talk is he is going to end up at Liverpool. I don't want to call Aston Villa a stepping stone - they are an enormous club - but he needs to maybe learn his trade at a club like Villa, not at a club who are going to compete at the very top of the table.”
gerrard, if he came would indicate that we’re not an ambitious club, but at best we would be also rans, happy to make up the numbers, so long as the scab 6 get what they want.
Yet 20+ supposed Villa fans are happy with this judging by the votes.
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Well done, sickbeggar. The first time I've ever laughed while having 2Unlimited stuck in my head.
While Anita might inhabit your dreams tonight, mine will be plagued by Ian Paisley.
That they never formed a supergroup was a wasted opportunity, IMO.
I believe they wanted to, but Paisley could never fit the studio time around his commitments playing Father Christmas on the Falls Road.
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Well done, sickbeggar. The first time I've ever laughed while having 2Unlimited stuck in my head.
While Anita might inhabit your dreams tonight, mine will be plagued by Ian Paisley.
That they never formed a supergroup was a wasted opportunity, IMO.
There's only a slight adjustment to their greatest hit required to get it started, though doubtful it reach top of the pops down south.
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If anybody still thinks gerrard, then read chris sutton’s comment.
“Eventually Gerrard will come down south and of course the talk is he is going to end up at Liverpool. I don't want to call Aston Villa a stepping stone - they are an enormous club - but he needs to maybe learn his trade at a club like Villa, not at a club who are going to compete at the very top of the table.”
gerrard, if he came would indicate that we’re not an ambitious club, but at best we would be also rans, happy to make up the numbers, so long as the scab 6 get what they want.
Yet 20+ supposed Villa fans are happy with this judging by the votes.
Far more than twenty joined in with the repulsive "John Terry, he's won more than you" chants so this doesn't surprise me in the least.
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It's a no from me. Replacing Deano with Gerrard is depressing.
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I genuinely don’t understand why we’re being linked with Gerrard or why our recruitment team would be interested in bringing him in to replace Smith. It doesn’t make sense.
I’ve never watched Rangers play and I’ve never watched Rangers play under Gerrard so I have absolutely no idea if he’s a good manager or has them playing exciting football. What I do know is that any manager worth his salt would be able to win a few trophies easy enough with either Rangers or Celtic…and that in no way should ever translate to being considered good enough to manage Villa or realise our owners ambitions of qualifying for European football…and even less so if it’s a managers first attempt at football management, and is then expected to cut his teeth in the Premier League with our club.
I don’t care if he’s supposed to be the chosen one for Liverpool in the future. If he does a good job for us then that means we’ll likely have qualified for Europe and be able to attract a top European manager. Gerrard is also equally as likely to get offered the England job at some stage if he does well for us as he would if the Liverpool job became vacant. Similarly, any other manager we appoint may have ambitions of managing more high profile clubs and there is nothing we could do to prevent any of those teams approaching our new manager should he be successful with us.
I said it weeks ago, but if the ambition of our owners is to get in to Europe then Smith should be sacked but if the ambition is to simply stay mid table in the Premier League then we may as well keep him. I don’t see how a relatively inexperienced manager meets the ambitions of our owners or is worth sacking Smith for…it doesn’t make sense, and for that reason I don’t want Gerrard as I don’t think he will be able to get us to where we want to be simply because he is totally unproven in management.
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I was going to vote no but then I saw the collective wailing and gnashing of teeth here and I changed it to yes out of spite
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Okay, James Dean.
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I was going to vote no but then I saw the collective wailing and gnashing of teeth here and I changed it to yes out of spite
You best watch yourself, or SE will lay his fists all over you (and possibly fellate your father).
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I've seen enough episodes of 'Cops' to work out what's happening there. The black guy is using his knee to violently assault the white guy's foot.
Was that before or after the infamous Keane assault? Interesting that one has been played over and over for years, and one has largely been forgotten.
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If anybody still thinks gerrard, then read chris sutton’s comment.
“Eventually Gerrard will come down south and of course the talk is he is going to end up at Liverpool. I don't want to call Aston Villa a stepping stone - they are an enormous club - but he needs to maybe learn his trade at a club like Villa, not at a club who are going to compete at the very top of the table.”
gerrard, if he came would indicate that we’re not an ambitious club, but at best we would be also rans, happy to make up the numbers, so long as the scab 6 get what they want.
Yet 20+ supposed Villa fans are happy with this judging by the votes.
But that’s Suttons words not Gerrard, I’m not sure he’s saying anything too controversial, we’ve just lost the best player of a generation because we aren’t at the top table yet.
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Im sitting here and think there is too much noise around this for it not to be true, one of the leading stories on bbc sport for example, so not just the bham mail clickbait.
And the question i ask myself is why?? I just dont get this. I was a huge supporter of Dean until the last few weeks when i thought he had run his course imo, but my God be careful what you wish for. Wtf is Purslow playing at? Have they even tried to sound out some big hitters like Ten Haag, or is this just Purslows vanity trip with his mate. In hindsight Smith was so popular that its big shoes to fill for anyone and they have to hit the ground running and win the supporters over as well as the players, why would we go for a relative managerial novice with this in mind. Its not just Stevie G though, the whole list is uninspiring, Martinez ffs, is that what we want a midtable at best journeyman, is that why we sacked Smith?
And its a no.
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As Danni Minogue used to say in the early rounds of X Factor to unsuccessful acts in the first few series:
"I'm sorry, but it's a no!"
Unfortunately, it appears more and more likely that it will be a "yes". I'm blaming Purslow already. >:(
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Was that before or after the infamous Keane assault? Interesting that one has been played over and over for years, and one has largely been forgotten.
It's a bit different though. Keane had decided before the game he was going out to 'do' Haaland, and it was therefore a deliberate act of violence and malice. The Gerrard tackle was a shocker, but I don't think it was premeditated.
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No. I want Martinez.
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Was that before or after the infamous Keane assault? Interesting that one has been played over and over for years, and one has largely been forgotten.
It's a bit different though. Keane had decided before the game he was going out to 'do' Haaland, and it was therefore a deliberate act of violence and malice. The Gerrard tackle was a shocker, but I don't think it was premeditated.
But didn't we only find that out years later when Keane released his autobiography?
George B was a pretty nasty player at times, and from that challenge, I'd say Gerrard's intent was to put one on him as a bit of a marker.
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They always look worse slowed down.
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Did he get sent off for that?
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No.
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Never say never. If he went to Liverpool, won the league for ten seasons straight and the champions league and fa cup every season, I’d consider having him here as assistant manager.
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Its a def No - I have already been banned from talking about it, and he hasn't even been appointed yet.
Nice one Steve
Hope your proud of yourself
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Never say never. If he went to Liverpool, won the league for ten seasons straight and the champions league and fa cup every season, I’d consider having him here as assistant manager.
I fucking wouldn't. After Terry and Keane I'd like the assistants to have lower profiles than the manager.
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Some Bookmakers have SUSPENDED betting on Steven Gerrard to be our new Head Coach
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Did he get sent off for that?
Boetang got booked.
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Its a def No - I have already been banned from talking about it, and he hasn't even been appointed yet.
Nice one Steve
Hope your proud of yourself
On a more positive note his pending appointment has had H&Vers queueing up to heap praise on their former nemesis 'sickbeggar' and Stevie G hasn't yet arrived in B6.
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Did he get sent off for that?
Yes but Boateng was play-acting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/1533727.stm
(In fairness, Houllier did revise his opinion afterwards, but, fucking Hell...)
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I think that’s quite usual for betting to be temporarily suspended so they aren’t exposed to any overnight news.
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I think that’s quite usual for betting to be temporarily suspended so they aren’t exposed to any overnight news.
It would be a bit early as that's normally after midnight but betting doesn't seem to be suspended atm.
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Says he was sent off in that report, I think i was there, was it the game after he’d scored in Englands 5.1 win in Germany?
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Well if he does join we can all sing happy birthday to him again.
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It was a truly horrible tackle. He had far too many of them in him.
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Says he was sent off in that report, I think i was there, was it the game after he’d scored in Englands 5.1 win in Germany?
Yes, that's right, all the five goals were scored by Liverpool players so there was some talk that we beat England 3-1.
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Well if he does join we can all sing happy birthday to him again.
That would likely mean we're in a Champions League Final so I'd settle for that.
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Some Bookmakers have SUSPENDED betting on Steven Gerrard to be our new Head Coach
It's a disgrace!
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Well if he does join we can all sing happy birthday to him again.
That would likely mean we're in a Champions League Final so I'd settle for that.
Why were we singing it at wembley when we beat them? Am
I going mad?
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No
But I’ll get behind him if it does happen.
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Some Bookmakers have SUSPENDED betting on Steven Gerrard to be our new Head Coach
I think you'll find they've SUSPENDED all managers as that is what a lot of them do overnight with next manager markets.
This is one of those conversations we have every time we change manager. It's up there with "the bookies clearly think it's likely, they've cut his odds".
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Well if he does join we can all sing happy birthday to him again.
That would likely mean we're in a Champions League Final so I'd settle for that.
Why were we singing it at wembley when we beat them? Am
I going mad?
All the press talk was of him celebrating his 30th (?) birthday by beating us and getting to the final.
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No. I want Martinez.
I no want Martinez as well
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Ah Percy is writing about it now
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Boateng is one of our U23s coaches now isn't he? Awkward.
Good reminder of why I detest Gerrard with a passion and will be devastated if he's brought in.
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
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Did he get sent off for that?
Yeah and we won 3-1.
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I felt a better connection to the club when we had Little, Gregory and Smith as managers compared to all others since I started going down there in 1994.
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Says he was sent off in that report, I think i was there, was it the game after he’d scored in Englands 5.1 win in Germany?
Yes, that's right, all the five goals were scored by Liverpool players so there was some talk that we beat England 3-1.
I was there, I don’t remember the tackle looking as bad in real time. In fact I don’t remember a lot at all.
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Paulie has nailed it. Eh eh eh
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Lee Hendrie has been on SSN giving it the thumbs up. So have a few WhatApp groups I’m in.
Maybe its us out of step, but still a no from me
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Says he was sent off in that report, I think i was there, was it the game after he’d scored in Englands 5.1 win in Germany?
Yes, that's right, all the five goals were scored by Liverpool players so there was some talk that we beat England 3-1.
I was there, I don’t remember the tackle looking as bad in real time. In fact I don’t remember a lot at all.
Gerrard was the up and coming thing that day. Cannot believe it is 20 years ago. A few days before 9/11 if I remember correctly.
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The story is falling down the page on the BBC Sport website.
That's a good sign right?
*clutches straws*
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Yeah 100%
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Well if he does join we can all sing happy birthday to him again.
isn’t his birthday in May? He’ll be gone before then.
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Having said that, I just made the mistake of reading what some of those boneheads on Follow Follow are saying about us and it's almost making me want him to come just to stick it up their horrible arses.
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First up thought Deano should of been given more time the majority of the 3 years was on a upward curve so was gutted to see him go.Now for the unpopular view i would not mind Gerrard i understand the reasons people not liking the guy I've said the same myself down the years.All I'm after is for a manager to come in & get us back in to the European positions where we all hope to be.I think if he does come he will have a point to prove & won't take any nonsense & get our soft centered midfield with a bit of bite!There you go lads & lasses ive said it!
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
This. Absolutely this.
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How did we go from a 10pm midweek announcement of Smith, with nobody knowing we were talking to him until that point, to the running commentary about a geezer we don't even know we're after (although it seems that we are)?
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Having said that, I just made the mistake of reading what some of those boneheads on Follow Follow are saying about us and it's almost making me want him to come just to stick it up their horrible arses.
The thread on there reminds me of the Jack saga here, will he/won't he, why now, wouldn't have minded if he gave us another season, leaves a sour taste, he could have been a legend etc.
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How did we go from a 10pm midweek announcement of Smith, with nobody knowing we were talking to him until that point, to the running commentary about a geezer we don't even know we're after (although it seems that we are)?
Partially because it's everywhere and Percy is calling it too I suppose. Just too many saying the same thing. I nearly spat at the TV earlier when Lee Hendrie's first words were 'Stevie G'.
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Absolutely spot on. If Gerrard didn't get off to a good start it wouldn't take long for the 'Deano' chants to start up.
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Having said that, I just made the mistake of reading what some of those boneheads on Follow Follow are saying about us and it's almost making me want him to come just to stick it up their horrible arses.
The thread on there reminds me of the Jack saga here, will he/won't he, why now, wouldn't have minded if he gave us another season, leaves a sour taste, he could have been a legend etc.
Yeah - there is the same sense of inevitability about it. I think that's a good comparison. It feels like another time everyone loses.
If I was a betting person I would say that Jack never rediscovers his Villa form at Man City, and that this blow Gerrards chance of being a Liverpool manager
And in both, Villa slide backwords
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The positive thing that I’ve found in this link, he’s not Joey Barton. But he does look like him.
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The positive thing that I’ve found in this link, he’s not Joey Barton. But he does look like him.
And sound like him.
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Getting rid of Smith to bring in Gerrard is laughable. But looks like that's where we are.
NSWE honeymoon period over for me should we hire Gerrard.
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In fairness, we were getting a bit het up about Thierry Henry last time around and that came to nothing.
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The positive thing that I’ve found in this link, he’s not Joey Barton. But he does look like him.
And sound like him.
Though they manage at a similar level
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In fairness, we were getting a bit het up about Thierry Henry last time around and that came to nothing.
True. Hope it’s the same.
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This comment from Follow Follow made me smile though.
Looks like Villa could finally be getting us back for taking the Holte End off them back in ‘76.
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Well the smoke is thickening and this looks likely now. Positives are that he is high profile, will get respect from the players and no doubt has the drive to succeed. Negatives are that he is Stevey G the Liverpool legend (and boy will this be mentioned constantly), lacks a real managerial CV. This is a flick a coin appointment. I just hope he doesn’t fawn over Liverpool like Houllier.
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I'll give him 6 month then when were back in Championship we'll get a proper manager in
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As history has shown, we'll never win the PL with Slippy G.
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As history has shown, we'll never win the PL with Slippy G.
We'll just have to settle for a Champions League win instead.......sigh.
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I feel embarrassed that we are going for Gerrard. It’s so small time and suggests a lack of ambition imo
Stevie does not deserve to manage Villa this early in his career, yet everyone is making out like we are being blessed by him accepting us.
A huge gamble by Villa and totally unnecessary. I’m not happy at all.
(Looks like it’s happening with Percy now reporting it btw)
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Smacks of when Cardiff signed Ole…
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Whatever happens we'll all be around to pick up the pieces.
We've made impressive progress under Deano.
Let's hope it continues.
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No because it would be a hopeful punt.
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I can't help but think if Gerrard is prepared to leave Rangers when they better than Celtic in the Scottish duopoly and still in contention to progress in Europe he would walk away from us in similar fashion.
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No because it would be a hopeful punt.
Yeah thats what it feels like
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I'll give him 6 month then when were back in Championship we'll get a proper manager in
What about the one who got us up last time? ;)
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No thanks.
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100% NO
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I can't help but think if Gerrard is prepared to leave Rangers when they better than Celtic in the Scottish duopoly and still in contention to progress in Europe he would walk away from us in similar fashion.
I believe he was given some assurances by the Rangers board about budget which never happened. There’s more to this than meets the eye perhaps.
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I can't help but think if Gerrard is prepared to leave Rangers when they better than Celtic in the Scottish duopoly and still in contention to progress in Europe he would walk away from us in similar fashion.
I believe he was given some assurances by the Rangers board about budget which never happened. There’s more to this than meets the eye perhaps.
I think this first bit is why he wants to leave - he's currently "winning" in the two party system - move on before he's not!
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If the Villa board are stupid enough to appoint him I wonder how fans will feel knowing that he will commute from Liverpool to BH/Villa Park rather than live in the city?
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If the Villa board are stupid enough to appoint him I wonder how fans will feel knowing that he will commute from Liverpool to BH/Villa Park rather than live in the city?
How do we know that will be happening?
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I couldn't give a rats ass where he lives.
Interesting question... What does he have to do to be considered as doing a good job. First season, stay up? Match 11th of last season? Top half? Next season top 10? 8??
I'm interested to see what the perception of success is for him before he starts.
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I couldn't give a rats ass where he lives.
Interesting question... What does he have to do to be considered as doing a good job. First season, stay up? Match 11th of last season? Top half? Next season top 10? 8??
I'm interested to see what the perception of success is for him before he starts.
Good question. I still don't want him, but if he's appointed - 9th or above, for me, would be a success. I was expecting that of Dean, so don't think it's unreasonable with 27 games left.
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After the start we’ve had, I’d be happy for a top half finish, some exciting games and to revert to us trying to play football along the way.
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No no NO. If they do appoint him than they are the wrong sort of owners. More interested in presentation than substance.
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If the Villa board are stupid enough to appoint him I wonder how fans will feel knowing that he will commute from Liverpool to BH/Villa Park rather than live in the city?
How do we know that will be happening?
His family stayed in Liverpool. It's logical that if they can't move to Glasgow there's little chance they'll move to Brum.
And while I'm here, is the Malmo manager available, surely he has a better record than Slippy G. Jon Dahl Tomasson, PL experience as a player and Assistant Coach for Denmark. We had no problem approaching their Head Coach.
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Like Ozzjim, I don't care where our manager lives, as long as we are 100% the focus of his attention.
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In fairness, we were getting a bit het up about Thierry Henry last time around and that came to nothing.
Showed Purslow could be swung by a name though...Thierry Henry...ffs, that would have been some car crash. There is no logic in replacing Smith with Gerrard, complete bonkers
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Jon Dahl Tomasson was more successful than Slippy as a player too!
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I couldn't give a rats ass where he lives.
Me neither providing he stays in Glasgow.
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I am against his appointment, but if he gets the gig he will have my full support.
I predict he will galvanize the players, just as Sherwood did. It is not beyond he bounds of possibility that he will become a good manager. His backroom staff are sound.
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The vibe on here towards our new Head Coach is disturbing , not even through the Doors of Villa Park yet and it's very toxic and to think I have repeatedly been called negative.
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One of the London lions sent an audio clip tonight of somebody claiming that the deal will be announced on Friday at the latest. He says it was Scott Carson’s agent - referred to an FCG group chat and sounded like a Brummie too.
No means of checking this - not even sure which outlet it was from - but on the clip he says the wrangling is over which staff to bring and who to retain. Allegedly Rangers have a very good performance/ stats man and he would come in.
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I can't help but think if Gerrard is prepared to leave Rangers when they better than Celtic in the Scottish duopoly and still in contention to progress in Europe he would walk away from us in similar fashion.
Presumably you'd have similar qualms about Erik ten Hag with Ajax better than PSV and Feyenoord and still in contention to progress in Europe (currently top of their CL group with 4 wins out of 4).
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The vibe on here towards our new Head Coach is disturbing , not even through the Doors of Villa Park yet and it's very toxic and to think I have repeatedly been called negative.
You're not negative, Fred, you're great. Presumably you're happy we're looking like hiring your chum Barney?
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Hell NO !
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If the Villa board are stupid enough to appoint him I wonder how fans will feel knowing that he will commute from Liverpool to BH/Villa Park rather than live in the city?
How do we know that will be happening?
His family stayed in Liverpool. It's logical that if they can't move to Glasgow there's little chance they'll move to Brum.
And while I'm here, is the Malmo manager available, surely he has a better record than Slippy G. Jon Dahl Tomasson, PL experience as a player and Assistant Coach for Denmark. We had no problem approaching their Head Coach.
Ah, fair enough. I also don't care if he does, as long as he's on time for training like a good boy.
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The vibe on here towards our new Head Coach is disturbing , not even through the Doors of Villa Park yet and it's very toxic and to think I have repeatedly been called negative.
You may have misheard them, I believe it was a mega div.
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The vibe on here towards our new Head Coach is disturbing , not even through the Doors of Villa Park yet and it's very toxic and to think I have repeatedly been called negative.
You may have misheard them, I believe it was a mega div.
Okay, I feel (and am) immature for laughing at that.
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Lee Hendrie has been on SSN giving it the thumbs up. So have a few WhatApp groups I’m in.
Maybe its us out of step, but still a no from me
I do think the H&V consensus on Gerrard is correct but it does appear out of the step with the world at large. Non-Villa supporters I've chatted with really do seem to think it'd show us off as an ambitious club and that Gerrard is bound to do well. It's mystifying but there it is.
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Really don’t like Gerrard. Yes he’s won the league with Rangers, but still seems a bit early in his career to be getting a job like Villa. I had similar thoughts about Terry coming as a player, but he changed my mind with his professionalism and performances. Still doesn’t sit right with me though, binning Deano and bringing in Gerrard. If it turns out it’s him, I’ll back him, but won’t take much for the wheels to fall off I reckon. Guess we can’t look back now, only forward. This represents a huge gamble though in my view.
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Absolutely spot on. If Gerrard didn't get off to a good start it wouldn't take long for the 'Deano' chants to start up.
Why would people chant for deano back?? If he is managing another club it would make us look abit silly.
Give him a heroes welcome when he returns most definitely. If gerrard fails then yes he will get heat and rightly so. But chanting for deano? No thanks
Its the past now time to move on from the smith era
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The vibe on here towards our new Head Coach is disturbing , not even through the Doors of Villa Park yet and it's very toxic and to think I have repeatedly been called negative.
Says you who wants Hodgson till the end of season and moans about absolutely everything about Villa. Like being a lemon telling the lime they are too acidic. If it is Gerrard it’s a lazy appointment
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Absolutely spot on. If Gerrard didn't get off to a good start it wouldn't take long for the 'Deano' chants to start up.
Why would people chant for deano back?? If he is managing another club it would make us look abit silly.
Give him a heroes welcome when he returns most definitely. If gerrard fails then yes he will get heat and rightly so. But chanting for deano? No thanks
Its the past now time to move on from the smith era
I agree. T wheider problem is though that this is the first time I can remember when a manager has been sacked when there has been no real dissent from the fans (Little maybe was similar?). Considering he is seen as one of us, then if the owners don't get this appointment right they'll lose a lot of support amongst fans. It's all about results of course, but the pressure will be on the new manager to turn things round quickly.
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If he does get the gig he would get the support from the fan base but it would probably be a bit muted. He'd also need to get results quick and consistently or the fan base would turn just as quick. I also just can't hear a raucous renditition of Stevie G's claret and blue army being sung.
I desperately hope he's a raging success as I do with any new appointment, but this really does feel like a round peg in a square hole scenario.
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Genuinely believe this could be one of the shortest villa managers tenures ever. Like it or not, there is clearly a huge divide in opinion - the poll on this site in itself shows the level of apathy for this appointment - which means if it doesn't go well fast, the fans will turn fast.
I wont support the appointment - thats my right and its because I've heard some rather unsavory things about the man - but I will always support the Villa and in that regard, I hope we turn it around into a respectable mid-table finish this year. I really do hope I am wrong, but I fear the very worst.
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A rookie manager from a tin pot, 2 team league.
If our leadership believes this is the very best we can do then they must be fucking mad and Purslow is being a narrow minded, narrow visioned ******.
A golden opportunity to make a statement appointment and the best we can do is to say ‘we are small time’.
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Absolutely spot on. If Gerrard didn't get off to a good start it wouldn't take long for the 'Deano' chants to start up.
Why would people chant for deano back?? If he is managing another club it would make us look abit silly.
Give him a heroes welcome when he returns most definitely. If gerrard fails then yes he will get heat and rightly so. But chanting for deano? No thanks
Its the past now time to move on from the smith era
I agree. T wheider problem is though that this is the first time I can remember when a manager has been sacked when there has been no real dissent from the fans (Little maybe was similar?). Considering he is seen as one of us, then if the owners don't get this appointment right they'll lose a lot of support amongst fans. It's all about results of course, but the pressure will be on the new manager to turn things round quickly.
We have to be very careful here. The owners have been fantastic for us and saved this club. The last thing we need is to turn on them - even if this appointment goes wrong it happens.
Look at utd how many collosal fuck ups they have had since fergie.
Chelsea have some stinkers like lampard
Spurs another one
Arsenal...
They wont get every managerial appointment right but we should under no circumstances turn on sawiris or edens if this doesnt work out. Obviously if we go down the lerner way down the end then thats different although i highly doubt that will happen as these guys seem to know what they are doing unlike lerner. I dont think we will feel "romantically nourished"
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No from me. They should have left Deano where he was if this the best they can come up with. Replacing a reasonably experienced manager with one that has only managed in the Fisher Price league doesn't seem right. Stevie G has his eyes on the Liverpool job, we are just a stepping stone until Klopp Jack's it in. I don't get why our club is happy to stay as training ground for managers. Get someone in that has experience.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
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Everything about this stinks. I'm clinging to a hope that we are feeding the media a line so that we can organise something else, something better, behind the scenes.
In what way is Steven Gerrard an upgrade on Dean Smith? What happens if there isn't an immediate upswing in results and performances as we go into the Christmas period?
I genuinely don't understand.
As others have said, this reeks of desperation to have "a name" in the dugout and if it were another club, I'd be putting them on my "teams I hope get relegated" list for the sheer audacity of thinking that this is a good move.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
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It's a no from me.
I don't think a big Premier League club should be used as a training tool for such an inexperienced manager. He's done well at Rangers but still has nothing like the experience required to manage a big side in the EPL. If he wants to learn his trade, he should be doing so with a League 1/Championship side.
Also, there'll be no continuity with him. If we're going to push on, we need a manager to stick around for the long term, not just piss off to Liverpool as soon as the job opens up.
This is the exact reason Smith was perfect for the club - he would have been here for the long haul.
If we're going to poach a manager from another club, I'd rather it be Graham Potter (also a Villa fan as far as I know)
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A least he should know how to organise a decent midfield where pretty much all of our problems having been stemming from.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
I dont want Gerrard. Not because i dislike the man, i dont know him. But because as others have said, despite the noise on here, which i was part of, we have sacked a still highly regarded gaffer in Dean Smith, with one that is a bigger name, but has far less experience but is Purslows mate, its a totally vanity project and makes us look small fry as well as being a huge risk.
However, it looks to be almost 100% nailed on that he will be our next manager. I will be at the Brighton game, i will have the same nervous excitement i always do on match days, especially the Saturdays at 3pm, I hope we win and i hope Gerrard is successful as it means Villa are.
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A least he should know how to organise a decent midfield where pretty much all of our problems having been stemming from.
O'Leary and McLeish couldn't organise a defence. Lambert and Sherwood couldn't organise a midfield. This is no guarantee.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
I'd argue that the squawking bellends that shout on Twitter and Facebook don't necessarily constitute the Villa supporting public at large.
I'll support him, he may turn out to be good, but it doesn't stop me being distinctly unimpressed with the choice on many levels.
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If it is to be him then it has to include Gary Macallister, then I'd be a little happier.
If it's not him then I'd be even happier.
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Of the 5-6 non villa fan forum fans I speak to regularly to, the majority think it's a decent move. Most people only post on sites or Twitter to complain and moan, the ones that don't care or are happy with it are not motivated to do so.
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Can I vote no again?
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If it is to be him then it has to include Gary Macallister, then I'd be a little happier.
If it's not him then I'd be even happier.
I remember when MacAllister took over from Houllier when he was ill and we played at the baggies. We were 1-0 up and coasting until Mac’s game management and substitutions cost us the game. That season we finished in an undeserved 9th mainly because opposition teams didn’t bother turning up towards the end of the season.
It’s still a NO from me regarding gerrarrrrrd and MacAllister.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
I dont want Gerrard. Not because i dislike the man, i dont know him. But because as others have said, despite the noise on here, which i was part of, we have sacked a still highly regarded gaffer in Dean Smith, with one that is a bigger name, but has far less experience but is Purslows mate, its a totally vanity project and makes us look small fry as well as being a huge risk.
However, it looks to be almost 100% nailed on that he will be our next manager. I will be at the Brighton game, i will have the same nervous excitement i always do on match days, especially the Saturdays at 3pm, I hope we win and i hope Gerrard is successful as it means Villa are.
Gerrard has experinece in europe smith doesnt so that argument is flawed
Dean had zero premier league experience also but he didnt do badly at all last year.
Poch came with no experience and had huge success. Yes it could go tits up but no the experience part isnt something to beat Gerrard with
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If it is to be him then it has to include Gary Macallister, then I'd be a little happier.
If it's not him then I'd be even happier.
I remember when MacAllister took over from Houllier when he was ill and we played at the baggies. We were 1-0 up and coasting until Mac’s game management and substitutions cost us the game. That season we finished in an undeserved 9th mainly because opposition teams didn’t bother turning up towards the end of the season.
It’s still a NO from me regarding gerrarrrrrd and MacAllister.
That was the only game we lost in a run of 8 games after Houllier's ill health which McAllister oversaw and turned us from relegation fodder to 9th, so he didn't do too badly. If Gerrard comes in i seriously hope he's with him, but although i'm not quite as outraged as some about the potential Gerrard appointment i'm still a no due to his lack of relevent experience.
It was time for Smith to go though, either way. He'll be remembered by me as one of my favourites over the past 30 odd years and did a brilliant job in reviving us. It does need someone else to make us great again though. I very much doubt Gerrard will do that, he might be a top manager one day but it takes more time than he's been at it and i can't help but think he'll have a poor first 6 months like a rabbit in the headlights and not recover.
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I'm voting 'no' again.
It might just put me off football seeing that peanut head in the dugout.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
I dont want Gerrard. Not because i dislike the man, i dont know him. But because as others have said, despite the noise on here, which i was part of, we have sacked a still highly regarded gaffer in Dean Smith, with one that is a bigger name, but has far less experience but is Purslows mate, its a totally vanity project and makes us look small fry as well as being a huge risk.
However, it looks to be almost 100% nailed on that he will be our next manager. I will be at the Brighton game, i will have the same nervous excitement i always do on match days, especially the Saturdays at 3pm, I hope we win and i hope Gerrard is successful as it means Villa are.
Gerrard has experinece in europe smith doesnt so that argument is flawed
Dean had zero premier league experience also but he didnt do badly at all last year.
Poch came with no experience and had huge success. Yes it could go tits up but no the experience part isnt something to beat Gerrard with
Of course the lack of Premiership experience is a relevant argument against. Its not a be all and end all but its a yardstick for judgement.
As I've posted before this is all about looking after a mate. And that sort of thing usually ends in tears.
A MASSIVE no from me. And a huge drop in respect for Purslow on the back of this.
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
Only just voted, wow 82.4% like me feel it doesn’t taste right. I wonder if owners do give thought to fanbase feeling. I’ve not had chance to read all the threads but surely if we are going British Potter must be prised away?
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I said this to Woodhall just now, but I fear Gerrard represents a massive hole in the ground and Purslow is about to walk into it.
They've sacked Smith saying the progress had not continued as they hoped - the clear intimation here being that Smith was not the man to take us to the next level. If they now appoint someone in his place with even less experience as a manager, let alone evidence of being able to take teams forward, the entire line of reasoning looks extremely questionable.
Furthermore, with Gerrard, they will be replacing a life long Villa fan with someone with is one of the most identifiable 'club men' for another club in the world. It will look like "they're replacing a Villa legend with a Liverpool one" which isn't a good look. I don't really give too much of a shit that Smith is one of us and Gerrard is not, but that is the way it is going to get spun.
On top of that, it will be Purslow making the decision, and he is a former Liverpool CEO. Again, it starts to look like a Liverpool love-in.
To top it all off, there seems very little appetite for Gerrard from the fanbase, meaning he'd be starting on the wrong foot.
I just hope they're not stupid enough to do this, they'd be digging their own graves in terms of credibility.
Yeah 100%
A hundred and fuckin fifty percent.
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A lot / most of support based on media polls will be thinking great, we have got a top name manager and this puts Villa on the map.
H&V does not represent the majority view.
I hate the idea but I am just going to have to get used to iit.
looking forward to going to the Brighton game whatever.
Thats where im at CL.
I dont want Gerrard. Not because i dislike the man, i dont know him. But because as others have said, despite the noise on here, which i was part of, we have sacked a still highly regarded gaffer in Dean Smith, with one that is a bigger name, but has far less experience but is Purslows mate, its a totally vanity project and makes us look small fry as well as being a huge risk.
However, it looks to be almost 100% nailed on that he will be our next manager. I will be at the Brighton game, i will have the same nervous excitement i always do on match days, especially the Saturdays at 3pm, I hope we win and i hope Gerrard is successful as it means Villa are.
Gerrard has experinece in europe smith doesnt so that argument is flawed
Dean had zero premier league experience also but he didnt do badly at all last year.
Poch came with no experience and had huge success. Yes it could go tits up but no the experience part isnt something to beat Gerrard with
Of course the lack of Premiership experience is a relevant argument against. Its not a be all and end all but its a yardstick for judgement.
As I've posted before this is all about looking after a mate. And that sort of thing usually ends in tears.
A MASSIVE no from me. And a huge drop in respect for Purslow on the back of this.
Potter had no experience and he isnt doing too badly?
I dunno about lookimg after a mate that points irrelevant to me as we dont know what goes on behind the scenes sorry mate.
I dont think gerrard is the best appointment but not the worst either. If it was Lampard would be much worse
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If as seems likely Gerrard gets the job I'll be interested to see how much leeway he gets from Purslow if he doesn't hit the ground running and struggles. It might be a masterstroke or the biggest mistake ever, we can only wait and see. I'm guessing that the talking to Steven Gerrard about this job didn't just start on Sunday.
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Strong presser: https://twitter.com/RampantRyanJack/status/1458093442337316869?t=lh7Kll3Glb0blH_Tbf5VGw&s=19.
Interesting reads: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11788/12236762/the-evolution-of-gerrards-rangers; https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/07/steven-gerrard-pressure-rangers-champions.
Rangers fans seem bummed that he's going.
Not convinced inexperience means he's not worth bringing in, particularly if the more experienced alternatives haven't been successful.
I'm among the 17%.
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If Gerrard is the answer I’m not sure what the question is.
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If we can someone better and with more experienced then that would be good but if the owners chose Steven Gerrard then he's got my backing.
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
That Liverpool game is going to be an absolute circus
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
That Liverpool game is going to be an absolute circus
Its at villa park its when he goes Anfield thats when it will be bad. But i expect he will want the win more than going to anfield to say hello to afew scousers
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The whole point of sacking Dean and bringing a new manager in was to 'upgrade' and push us on. Everyone is pretty much comparing Gerrard to Dean Smith, but we shouldn't be doing this. Surely the question should be "Is he BETTER than what we had? Is there evidence that he will push us on to the next level" - In my opinion, it is a resounding NO.
Saying that, even if he was the second coming of a manager with the talents of Alex Ferguson, I wouldn't want him. The 'ditch Villa and manage Liverpool stepping stone' thread is already nauseating even at this stage. Thinking back, it was painful every time we traded blows with Chelsea with the John Terry link. Gerrard as manager would take this to a whole new level - Totally belittling the club.
It's a big FUCK THAT from me.
Out of the options being bandied around, my vote would be for Graham Potter, but if the owners are serious, I'd like to see the manager equivalent of the shock Danny Ings signing - A quality, highly respected manager completely out of nowhere.
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Thank god its not on TV
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Had an enjoyable night winding up my Liverpool supporting mate about it. He sort of views Gerrard going to Villa in the same way as a bloke who's been patiently waiting for a girl to leave her boyfriend, only for her to hook up with another guy straight away. Like us he's currently in the denial stage hoping it will all go away.
"It's gonna be Stevie Me's Aston Villa. His best mate Purslow has promised him 500m to knock Liverpool off their perch. Merchandising is going through the roof and everyone's buying scouser wigs on H@V. He's not just going to kiss the Villa badge, he's gonna use tongues."
;D
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This may be damning him with faint praise, but I see more in Steven Gerrard's work as a manager so far and in the way he speaks about the game to suggest that he has a better chance of having a successful managerial career than the others from 'England's Golden Generation'. It's still a huge gamble on the part of our owners to go this route, but I'd rather see Gerrard in the dugout than Lampard/Terry etc. Not a huge endorsement granted, but hey, I'm looking for silver linings...
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As I said earlier, this is a Tony Xia kind of appointment. It's the kind of thing you'd expect a Middlesborough or Derby County to do. I'm not saying it won't work in the short-term and we could see a Sherwood-esque bounce that propels us through the season but, to me at least, it stinks of a lack of joined up thinking or long-term strategy. It also makes me think NSWE have taken their eye off the ball and entrusted everything to their CEO.
Purslow needs to face a real interrogation over this, I want to know just how this appointment fits into the grand plan of NSWE. I read somewhere that they were after a "face" for their project? They could have kept Grealish for that or broke the bank and brought in someone like Zidane (yes, Zidane!) Gerrard is a halfway house screaming "convenience" and no real sense of direction. If he and Purslow are still with us by the beginning of next season I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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As I said earlier, this is a Tony Xia kind of appointment. It's the kind of thing you'd expect a Middlesborough or Derby County to do. I'm not saying it won't work in the short-term and we could see a Sherwood-esque bounce that propels us through the season but, to me at least, it stinks of a lack of joined up thinking or long-term strategy. It also makes me think NSWE have taken their eye off the ball and entrusted everything to their CEO.
Purslow needs to face a real interrogation over this, I want to know just how this appointment fits into the grand plan of NSWE. I read somewhere that they were after a "face" for their project? They could have kept Grealish for that or broke the bank and brought in someone like Zidane (yes, Zidane!) Gerrard is a halfway house screaming "convenience" and no real sense of direction. If he and Purslow are still with us by the beginning of next season I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Or even unpleasantly surprised.
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As I said earlier, this is a Tony Xia kind of appointment. It's the kind of thing you'd expect a Middlesborough or Derby County to do. I'm not saying it won't work in the short-term and we could see a Sherwood-esque bounce that propels us through the season but, to me at least, it stinks of a lack of joined up thinking or long-term strategy. It also makes me think NSWE have taken their eye off the ball and entrusted everything to their CEO.
Purslow needs to face a real interrogation over this, I want to know just how this appointment fits into the grand plan of NSWE. I read somewhere that they were after a "face" for their project? They could have kept Grealish for that or broke the bank and brought in someone like Zidane (yes, Zidane!) Gerard is a halfway house screaming "convenience" and no real sense of direction. If he and Purslow are still with us by the beginning of next season I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jack Grealish had a release clause in his contract. If we hadn't agreed to that clause, he wouldn't have stayed for the extra year he did. To say then that "they could have kept Grealish" is just wrong. As to how Gerrard fits in, he appears to be working under a similar model at Rangers that the club are trying to instil at Villa, ie a "One Club" approach to transfers and way of playing, with a multitude of specialist coaches and support staff such as analysts. Whether he'll get the job, and then be successful at it, remains to be seen. Gerrard wouldn't be my first choice but I can see the logic in it.
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I see the logic too. I want to be clear, I voted no, I don't want him as first choice, but I understand the thinking behind it.
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Interesting reads: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11788/12236762/the-evolution-of-gerrards-rangers; https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/07/steven-gerrard-pressure-rangers-champions.
Good reads, both. Thanks.
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I don't know whether I "want" him as such so I do not really have an answer to the poll, but the prospect of it being him does not cause me the major issues it seems to have for a lot of people. If he comes in, I'll judge him when we see how he behaves and how he performs.
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I think the poll tally thus far says to me that the folks on here voting don't really represent a balanced perspective of our entire fan base.
Of the alternatives mooted as on the shortlist the Denmark manager has already said not interested, Martinez the same given he is a year away from another world cup with Belgium (and I don't see why he offers anything Gerrard does not) and Hassenhutl has basically the same points record across the calendar year 2021 as the now departed Dean Smith.
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I don't know whether I "want" him as such so I do not really have an answer to the poll, but the prospect of it being him does not cause me the major issues it seems to have for a lot of people. If he comes in, I'll judge him when we see how he behaves and how he performs.
Crazy behaviour.
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
That Liverpool game is going to be an absolute circus
Its at villa park its when he goes Anfield thats when it will be bad. But i expect he will want the win more than going to anfield to say hello to afew scousers
It'll be a side show both times. We went up there under Houllier and he behaved like it was a benefit game.
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I don't know about touching the anfield sign I'd kiss his arse if we got a top half finish under him.
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I voted no but its not a resounding no.
The stepping stone is the dominant discussion, but could that leave us in a healthier position with a little bit of success and better options once Gerrard leaves?
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Rangers fans are a delusional bunch.
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Voted no too, purely on the principle that Great players very rarely make great Managers.
Will be right behind him if he's appointed though and I think these owners have earnt the right to choose whoever they want.
Also to put it in perspective, if I could have voted in 1974 I'd have said no to Ron Saunders and I think the vote would have been a similar percentage against him then.
So what do I know!!
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Interesting reads: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11788/12236762/the-evolution-of-gerrards-rangers; https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/07/steven-gerrard-pressure-rangers-champions.
Good reads, both. Thanks.
Yes, the detail of the Sky report especially.
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If he does become our new manager I would like to think he can improve our midfield being as he was a brilliant midfielder himself.
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Well, we've only got to wait a month for the love-in to really start.
Imagine our manager being more popular with the opposition supporters than our own. 4 games in to his tenure.
That Liverpool game is going to be an absolute circus
Its at villa park its when he goes Anfield thats when it will be bad. But i expect he will want the win more than going to anfield to say hello to afew scousers
It'll be a side show both times. We went up there under Houllier and he behaved like it was a benefit game.
Gerrard will know that if he does anything unpopular like that when houllier was there it wont go down well with us.
Be happy you gone back give the fans a wave clap whatever but thats it. Time to get professional and try win the game. Gerrard is a winner he wont take a loss on the chin like houllier did. If anything him winning there would make his chances get the liverpool job better.
If he improves us and lays the foundations there before going liverpool he goes with my blessing. This would also leave us in a good position to attract a elite manager
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As I said earlier, this is a Tony Xia kind of appointment. It's the kind of thing you'd expect a Middlesborough or Derby County to do. I'm not saying it won't work in the short-term and we could see a Sherwood-esque bounce that propels us through the season but, to me at least, it stinks of a lack of joined up thinking or long-term strategy. It also makes me think NSWE have taken their eye off the ball and entrusted everything to their CEO.
Purslow needs to face a real interrogation over this, I want to know just how this appointment fits into the grand plan of NSWE. I read somewhere that they were after a "face" for their project? They could have kept Grealish for that or broke the bank and brought in someone like Zidane (yes, Zidane!) Gerard is a halfway house screaming "convenience" and no real sense of direction. If he and Purslow are still with us by the beginning of next season I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jack Grealish had a release clause in his contract. If we hadn't agreed to that clause, he wouldn't have stayed for the extra year he did. To say then that "they could have kept Grealish" is just wrong. As to how Gerrard fits in, he appears to be working under a similar model at Rangers that the club are trying to instil at Villa, ie a "One Club" approach to transfers and way of playing, with a multitude of specialist coaches and support staff such as analysts. Whether he'll get the job, and then be successful at it, remains to be seen. Gerrard wouldn't be my first choice but I can see the logic in it.
Re Grealish, I guess my point is that if NSWE are genuinely thinking big and seeking a "face" for their project they wouldn't have sanctioned a get-out clause. There would have been a big, clearly set-out, over-arching plan so compelling that Grealish would have stuck around.
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Grealish and the agent insisted on the release clause, not much we could have done about that in 2020 after sneaking to safety with his contract running down?
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As I said earlier, this is a Tony Xia kind of appointment. It's the kind of thing you'd expect a Middlesborough or Derby County to do. I'm not saying it won't work in the short-term and we could see a Sherwood-esque bounce that propels us through the season but, to me at least, it stinks of a lack of joined up thinking or long-term strategy. It also makes me think NSWE have taken their eye off the ball and entrusted everything to their CEO.
Purslow needs to face a real interrogation over this, I want to know just how this appointment fits into the grand plan of NSWE. I read somewhere that they were after a "face" for their project? They could have kept Grealish for that or broke the bank and brought in someone like Zidane (yes, Zidane!) Gerard is a halfway house screaming "convenience" and no real sense of direction. If he and Purslow are still with us by the beginning of next season I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jack Grealish had a release clause in his contract. If we hadn't agreed to that clause, he wouldn't have stayed for the extra year he did. To say then that "they could have kept Grealish" is just wrong. As to how Gerrard fits in, he appears to be working under a similar model at Rangers that the club are trying to instil at Villa, ie a "One Club" approach to transfers and way of playing, with a multitude of specialist coaches and support staff such as analysts. Whether he'll get the job, and then be successful at it, remains to be seen. Gerrard wouldn't be my first choice but I can see the logic in it.
Re Grealish, I guess my point is that if NSWE are genuinely thinking big and seeking a "face" for their project they wouldn't have sanctioned a get-out clause. There would have been a big, clearly set-out, over-arching plan so compelling that Grealish would have stuck around.
but what if Grealish would only agree to sign the contract subject to the release clause?
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers. Okay, there are obvious exceptions on the continent with Madrid and Barcelona and here with Pep G. They've had a constant flow of cash to help them. Even so, these youngish managers have something about them to make their teams a success.
English born players who go on to be managers have varying success and that's leaning more towards the not very variety. Bryan Robson springs immediately to mind. A player similar to Gerrard for club and country but totally useless as a manager. Roy Keane too. A manager who wouldn't stand for slacking but could rarely get a tune out of a team on the pitch. The cross over isn't that straightforward it seems and it's proven by middling footballers proving to be better managers. Potter being a case in point. I hope Gerrard turns out to be our Simione, a great player and a brilliant manager who we'd all love at the helm. As a player he had an abundance of skill and nous and that bit of cheatynastiness if required that made him a winner. He seems to have instilled all that into his team.
I think Gerrard is more astute than he is given credit for. He knows the foundations are there, he knows there's cash if needed for recruitment, he knows (recent results excepted) we're on the up. I still don't want him mind but if he is to come then so be it.
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I voted no but its not a resounding no.
The stepping stone is the dominant discussion, but could that leave us in a healthier position with a little bit of success and better options once Gerrard leaves?
The stepping stone thing doesn't bother me at all.
If Gerrard gets us challenging at the top end of the table and leaves we can then be in a great position to attract a top class manager.
Also how old is Klopp? Mid 50's? He's not going anywhere soon.
Why also was it OK for Deano to use Brentford as a stepping stone but it's wrong for Gerrard to do the same to us?
I for one am not going to worry about something that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers.
Too young to remember Clough. ;)
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I don't know whether I "want" him as such so I do not really have an answer to the poll, but the prospect of it being him does not cause me the major issues it seems to have for a lot of people. If he comes in, I'll judge him when we see how he behaves and how he performs.
An actual measured response in this thread? You must be mad.
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers. Okay, there are obvious exceptions on the continent with Madrid and Barcelona and here with Pep G. They've had a constant flow of cash to help them. Even so, these youngish managers have something about them to make their teams a success.
English born players who go on to be managers have varying success and that's leaning more towards the not very variety. Bryan Robson springs immediately to mind. A player similar to Gerrard for club and country but totally useless as a manager. Roy Keane too. A manager who wouldn't stand for slacking but could rarely get a tune out of a team on the pitch. The cross over isn't that straightforward it seems and it's proven by middling footballers proving to be better managers. Potter being a case in point. I hope Gerrard turns out to be our Simione, a great player and a brilliant manager who we'd all love at the helm. As a player he had an abundance of skill and nous and that bit of cheatynastiness if required that made him a winner. He seems to have instilled all that into his team.
I think Gerrard is more astute than he is given credit for. He knows the foundations are there, he knows there's cash if needed for recruitment, he knows (recent results excepted) we're on the up. I still don't want him mind but if he is to come then so be it.
That last line is where I’m at, Bren. We have the choice to either disengage from the Villa or back him and hope for the best. Still can’t see me joining in with any songs for him though.
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers.
Too young to remember Clough. ;)
Nigel was a decent player and average manager.
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers.
Too young to remember Clough. ;)
Yes, yes I am. He was never considered exceptional though I think.
The point being that for the exceptional players going on to be managers the cutting your teeth in the lower leagues and making your way up isn't the way. Don't have them involved with the mundane of the job just their concentration devoted to coaching the team.
Exceptional players now managers will know instinctively that two players attacking our left last Friday night should be snuffed out instantly. Not waiting till half time to change it.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
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The one bit that gives me a bit of comfort on us being a “stepping stone” is that we are going to have to do pretty well for that to come to fruition.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
On the flip side, I can't see Gerrard taking it without assurance that the ambition is there, so may well lead to a signing or two that does.
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I am of an age that tells me that exceptional footballers in their day do not make great managers.
Too young to remember Clough. ;)
Yes, yes I am. He was never considered exceptional though I think.
251 goals in 274 club appearances (till injury cut his career short) is pretty exceptional but your general point stands.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
I think prior to the Grealish sale, we were the biggest net spenders in Europe since they came in.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
I think prior to the Grealish sale, we were the biggest net spenders in Europe since they came in.
And Purslow said we'd have rejected Man City's offer for Grealish if there hadn't been a release clause. Rejecting a £100m offer for one player suggests some ambition there.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
I think that's the thing that has really got to me most about this. I really believed that they meant business, I really thought that this time next year....
But, whether you think Gerrard will turn out okay or not, it doesn't change the fact that this is not an ambitious appointment. This isn't a coup. This is the sort of appointment a very average Premier League club makes, and hopes for the best.
Of course, a very average Premier League club is a massive step up from where we started, and represents an amazing return on investment, but I had (foolishly) bought in to the idea that we were aiming higher.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for the owners to go, and I am incredibly grateful for what they have done up to now, but I do feel a bit flat. That's probably my own fault for getting too carried away, especially in the summer when it felt like the sky was the limit.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
Summer 2018 compared to now? There is no comparison.
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I voted no but its not a resounding no.
The stepping stone is the dominant discussion, but could that leave us in a healthier position with a little bit of success and better options once Gerrard leaves?
Who is to say Liverpool will sack Klopp at a convenient time, when it's an ideal point to recruit a new manager? They could go on a poor run of form and get rid in November and our starfucking friend Christian Purslow will be on the phone to Liverpool asking if Jordan Henderson has done his coaching badges yet.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
On the flip side, I can't see Gerrard taking it without assurance that the ambition is there, so may well lead to a signing or two that does.
That's what I'm clinging to.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
I think prior to the Grealish sale, we were the biggest net spenders in Europe since they came in.
And Purslow said we'd have rejected Man City's offer for Grealish if there hadn't been a release clause. Rejecting a £100m offer for one player suggests some ambition there.
Actions speak louder than words. We are a well run mid-table PL club. That’s clearly our ambition now.
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I think this is a case of Purslow being trusted enough by the board to make the call.
This is the call he wants to make. he, more than anyone else needs to hope this works, as if it doesn't he'll ruin the reputation he has carefully rebuilt.
For me the biggest disappointment was I was expecting an ambitious appointment, not appointing someone ambitious
Reading through some of the stuff - I can see the logic, but similarly I can see bits that don't add up to it being a success
If it takes him 3 seasons to get us a top half finish him and CP will be gone IMO.
Or we have reached a ceiling our board is happy with
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I voted no but its not a resounding no.
The stepping stone is the dominant discussion, but could that leave us in a healthier position with a little bit of success and better options once Gerrard leaves?
Who is to say Liverpool will sack Klopp at a convenient time, when it's an ideal point to recruit a new manager? They could go on a poor run or form and get rid in November and our starfucking friend Christian Purslow will be on the phone to Liverpool asking if Jordan Henderson has done his coaching badges yet.
Sorry Christian Jordan’s earmarked for cone duty, but Stan Boardman is on his way.
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Strong presser: https://twitter.com/RampantRyanJack/status/1458093442337316869?t=lh7Kll3Glb0blH_Tbf5VGw&s=19.
Interesting reads: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11788/12236762/the-evolution-of-gerrards-rangers; https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/07/steven-gerrard-pressure-rangers-champions.
Rangers fans seem bummed that he's going.
Not convinced inexperience means he's not worth bringing in, particularly if the more experienced alternatives haven't been successful.
I'm among the 17%.
Have to say, I'm turning. I've got very little to back this up other than a hunch, but I have a feeling it might be 'right time, right place' for us and Gerrard. The little I've read about him, he comes across as a progressive, modern coach. There's no denying that he is a 'name', albeit one made as a player rather than a coach. He'll move the club to the front of people's minds, and that's a good thing for where we are now. We've a modern coaching setup now, it's not the one man Martin O'Neill show, so I think it's less of a concern that he's not as experienced.
As long as he brings a decent proportion of his coaching staff with him, I think I'm "in".
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
I think prior to the Grealish sale, we were the biggest net spenders in Europe since they came in.
And Purslow said we'd have rejected Man City's offer for Grealish if there hadn't been a release clause. Rejecting a £100m offer for one player suggests some ambition there.
Actions speak louder than words. We are a well run mid-table PL club. That’s clearly our ambition now.
That's what we're looking like at this moment in time. We'll never know on the Grealish thing but if he pushed hard for a move (even without the clause) we know how that normally goes. I don't blame them for that, he wanted to play at the very top now and we couldn't offer it.
Going back to Dave's original comment i think if the ambition was to get back in the PL and stay there they lived up to that for sure. They bought a new squad in 2019 which then struggled, they then bolstered it in 2020 to establish us further. They spent shit loads but they needed to just to get there. It's not a bad ambition in itself from where we were in 2018 but lets be honest they've talked about the ambition being to aim for the CL, and as fans we buy into this talk. We didn't see anything in 2021 to suggest that's really the case. Taking Gerrard as the new manager doesn't do a lot to change that view and my biggest issue with it is this stepping stone to Liverpool idea, which makes us not look very ambitious at all. They'll really need to give him the money to go out and get a couple of sit up and take notice players, moreso than any individual player signed so far.
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Footage on Twitter of him arriving in London.....
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Did he get lost?
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Did he get lost?
Hes giving Conte a lift up here
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I think Naseef has his offices and is based/lives in London.
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Even Preece is reporting it as virtually done.
He's going to be our next manager, and can I be the first to say that I never doubted him for a second
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I've said before I'm half convinced that the actions in the summer will have had an element of preparing for the possibility that Smith wouldn't last until January. The board must've known as well as anyone that Smith had struggled to get results without Grealish so wehn he left they used most of the money to buy players to add creativity but 'kept their powder dry' to have funds in January if needed by a new guy.
I don't think the ambition has gone though, but appointing Gerrard would make me question the judgement of Purslow, which is frustrating because he's done well up until now.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
We haven't made a signing that's made people sit up and take notice (Bailey aside, that seemed to cause a few 'how did they get him' comments) but all the same, they have spent a stupid amount of money.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
We haven't made a signing that's made people sit up and take notice (Bailey aside, that seemed to cause a few 'how did they get him' comments) but all the same, they have spent a stupid amount of money.
Ings.
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
We haven't made a signing that's made people sit up and take notice (Bailey aside, that seemed to cause a few 'how did they get him' comments) but all the same, they have spent a stupid amount of money.
Those sort of 'wow' signings are difficult to do if players don't see you as being on the cusp of european football. Bailey is pretty much the top tier we would be looking at without creating problems for ourselves.
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If in 3 years time he's got us regularly in the top half and in European contention, I've got no problem with him moving up there.
If that's the carrot he needs to make him perform well so be it. We'll then be able to appoint a much higher calibre manager from that position and continue our progression. The media stuff will get tiresome if he's shit - if that's the case, we'll have bigger things to worry about. If he's not, it won't bother me in the slightest.
No Villa manager in the last 15 years has come in to a team better set up to succeed. We're not adrift in the table, lots of the season left, we've got a good squad, loads of talent in the academy, a break ahead of the first game and money to spend in January. There are no excuses if he doesn't perform well - but also loads of reasons to be (cautiously) optimistic.
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I've had reservations tbh but looking at his coaching approach etc....4-3-3, keeping the ball, his passion, it might just work...Scousers have done pretty well for us in the past.
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The club should have always had a short list and plan B for a new manager. If this is the best they come up with - then poor show. Really fucking piss poor.
I hope to be eating humble pie when Stevie’s Aston Villa win the title next year.
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I've said before I'm half convinced that the actions in the summer will have had an element of preparing for the possibility that Smith wouldn't last until January. The board must've known as well as anyone that Smith had struggled to get results without Grealish so wehn he left they used most of the money to buy players to add creativity but 'kept their powder dry' to have funds in January if needed by a new guy.
I don't think the ambition has gone though, but appointing Gerrard would make me question the judgement of Purslow, which is frustrating because he's done well up until now.
I like this interpretation. Though I have also chosen to give Purslow and the owners the benefit of the doubt for now. They are all intelligent people who, I must assume, sit on information and assessments we do not.
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All this talk about Gerrard using Villa as a stepping stone to the job at Anfield is interesting
To move on to Anfield he will have had to have "succeeded: at Villa. How might such "success be measured:
Villa established as a top 6 club
Cup final appearances/wins - The Holy Grail (whisper it)
Europe
Better quality players in the squad
He'd raise the profile of the club both in the media and the football world.
Any and all of these will put us in a better position if and when it comes to finding his successor.
So perhaps it might not be that bad an appointment ?
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Gary Mac is favourite to takeover at Rangers, but surely he’s an integral part of the “Gerrard team”?
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The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
We haven't made a signing that's made people sit up and take notice (Bailey aside, that seemed to cause a few 'how did they get him' comments) but all the same, they have spent a stupid amount of money.
Ings.
The more I think about it, the more it's going to be a media circus and we'll be seen as a stepping stone. It doesn't scream "Ambition!!!!" but then again, five Premier League transfer windows in, nothing they've done so far really has.
We haven't made a signing that's made people sit up and take notice (Bailey aside, that seemed to cause a few 'how did they get him' comments) but all the same, they have spent a stupid amount of money.
Ings.
Ings was more of a ‘what?’ signing…. As is how and where are we going to accommodate him.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
We haven't been top six since 2010.
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This thing about him using Aston Villa as a 'stepping stone' if true then he would need to be very careful that it doesn't turn to a mill stone very quickly. Obviously I hope it doesn't but we are much bigger than a stepping stone for anyone.
What I would like to know is the truth behind not signing a DM. It's been done to death on here that we needed one from the instant the final whistle went in the play-off final. If we can see it...no more needs to be said. I believe it's the hill Deano died on.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Yes, and there's no guarantee we will be looking for a new manager at a vaguely convenient time. If Gerrard is the best they can get now, I'd rather we had kept Smith until the summer and appointed someone much more qualified than the current favourite.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
We haven't been top six since 2010.
All the more reason to appoint a really good manager rather than gambling on an unproven friend of the Chief Executive.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Is it any different from another manager taking us to top six and then moving to another club?
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I agree with DW. Gerrard is only ever going to be a stop gap appointment. A bit like getting a bricklayer to design your new house. We can think and act like a big club, define our long term objectives and pursue them or we can appoint somebody to give us a rubbery dead cat bounce and start all over when the dead cat has stopped bouncing.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Is it any different from another manager taking us to top six and then moving to another club?
Well only because that has never happened in the 46 years I have been supporting the Villa!
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Klopp is only 54 and one of the best managers in the world. Of course anything can happen in football, but it could be a long time till there is a vacancy at Anfield.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
A lot of things have to align for him to be considered as a potential Liverpool manager. He'd have to be doing well at exactly the same time as Klopp left. Klopp's omly 54, what if he stays there another 10 years? I'm sure he wants more than one league title and one Champions League to his name with them.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
A lot of things have to align for him to be considered as a potential Liverpool manager. He'd have to be doing well at exactly the same time as Klopp left. Klopp's omly 54, what if he stays there another 10 years? I'm sure he wants more than one league title and one Champions League to his name with them.
Do managers at that level stay for so long?
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He could do. Equally, he could be gone next month. They absolutely loved Houllier, Benitez and Rodgers, until they didn't.
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Do managers at that level stay for so long?
Well he's already the second longest serving manager in the Premier League after 6 years (behind Dyche, with 9 years), followed by Guardiola with 5). He seems to fit them, they love him, and he's successful, so why not? There's nowhere I could see him leaving them for as it stands.
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He could do. Equally, he could be gone next month. They absolutely loved Houllier, Benitez and Rodgers, until they didn't.
None of those won them the title.
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This myth of Gerrard having success with Rangers/Sevco is driving me mad. As far as I can tell, he entered 9 domestic competitions, and has been favourite to win them, yet conspired to win just one. This includes finishing second in a two horse race twice, and then finally winning the league while Celtic implode and the rest of the league are in dire financial difficulty behind closed doors. Have I missed something?
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He could do. Equally, he could be gone next month. They absolutely loved Houllier, Benitez and Rodgers, until they didn't.
None of those won them the title.
True, but plenty of title-winning managers get the push eventually. Wenger, Mancini, Ranieri, all the Chelsea managers. Only the former was really given extra time because of his previous achievements.
I don't really suspect that Klopp will be going anywhere any time soon, but being gone in the next three years is far more likely than still being there in ten.
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I don't think they were favourites to win any of them until mid way through last season.
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I agree with DW. Gerrard is only ever going to be a stop gap appointment. A bit like getting a bricklayer to design your new house. We can think and act like a big club, define our long term objectives and pursue them or we can appoint somebody to give us a rubbery dead cat bounce and start all over when the dead cat has stopped bouncing.
I think it's naive to think that you need to appoint a 'forever manager' every time.
The managers that stay 5+ years are always rare (as highlighted above).
Deano was one of us and had a good 3 years and will be remembered fondly for it. His fandom and/or love for the club had absolutely no bearing on his ability to be a good manager for Villa at the time and give us what we needed. He took us as far as he could.
Similarly, Gerrard had 3 years at Rangers and got them a title and created a side that has them back on top domestically. There might be some animosity towards us if we pinch their manager but they'll also remember him and last years' title success (after 10 years in the wilderness) fondly.
Why is it a problem for a guy to come in to the job with the aim of performing as well as he possibly can (whatever the motivation) for 3-4 years.
The 'we are a big club therefore we need a guy who worships us' mentality massively restricts who you can realistically appoint. If you have issues with Gerrard as a coach based on what you've seen, fair enough. But way too much of this conversation is dealing in hypotheticals. The idea that because he's connected in a high profile way to another club, he might in some way not give 100% while he's here is ludicrious, and based on no evidence.
We need another positive 3 year cycle to cement us in the top half of the league and regularly challenging for European spots.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Any manager that gets us into the top 6 will be coveted elsewhere.
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I've said before I'm half convinced that the actions in the summer will have had an element of preparing for the possibility that Smith wouldn't last until January. The board must've known as well as anyone that Smith had struggled to get results without Grealish so wehn he left they used most of the money to buy players to add creativity but 'kept their powder dry' to have funds in January if needed by a new guy.
Yes Paul, the thought had crossed my mind too. I'm hoping thats the case and last summer wasn't the shape of things to come, essentially aiming to stand still.
Regards Klopp hanging on another 10 years, age wise you would imagine it might be the case but i'd heard he intends to leave when his contract runs out in a couple of years. Could be BS though.
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I can't imagine for one minute that if we finish 9th then Liverpool would want him.
If we get into Europe, like West Ham have done, then who knows? But if we have to replace him then, you'd think we would be more appealing than we are currently to Conte, Rodgers etc
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I can't imagine for one minute that if we finish 9th then Liverpool would want him.
If we get into Europe, like West Ham have done, then who knows? But if we have to replace him then, you'd think we would be more appealing than we are currently to Conte, Rodgers etc
Absolutely. He's going to have to show some serious results, over multiple seasons, to even be in with a shout of that job whenever it comes up - given their current position of wanting the League and/or Champions League every season.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Any manager that gets us into the top 6 will be coveted elsewhere.
Maybe but you'd hope that most managers won't have the draw to another club that Gerrard has and that if the owners are trying to get into the CL they'd back a top 6 finishing manager with even more money to have a crack at improving us further.
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Frank Lampard got the Chelsea job without doing much to deserve a crack at it, Liverpool could see Gerrard as the successor to Klopp however well or otherwise he does with us? Liverpool have a long standing traditional of appointing ‘their own’ to the managers job, with lower profiles than Gerrard has.
Sometimes sentimentality wins out, as its doing now with Purslow.
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Frank Lampard got the Chelsea job without doing much to deserve a crack at it, Liverpool could see Gerrard as the successor to Klopp however well or otherwise he does with us? Liverpool have a long standing traditional of appointing ‘their own’ to the managers job, with lower profiles than Gerrard has.
Sometimes sentimentality wins out, as its doing now with Purslow.
Chelsea was different circumstances though, they were banned from signing anybody so just saw him as a placeholder until they could buy players again.
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I don't think Gerrard would give less than his all, but I do think we'd have to be looking over our shoulders all the time. If any other manager got us top six we'd be looking to improve rather than expect him to leave but whatever Gerrard did we would always have that uncertainty. And more than anything, if we get him we'll have to endure the media agenda that we're just so lucky to have him.
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If he did well with us i'd think it would be more likely he'd get the England gig. His eventual ascent to the Anfield throne is more a fantasy in the Liverpool fan's minds rather the people who actually get to choose.
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
As I said yesterday, it is a pity we can't judge people based on their record and have to bring so much pejorative stuff about where they are from, how they speak etc.
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Regardless of whether he turns out to be any good or not, the titanic wankathon that will inevitably be our next trip to Anfield is enough to make my stomach churn. It's a maudlin enough place as it is, but the return of 'Steeeevie G" will see Villa treated as a total irrelevance in a Scouse orgy of melodrama.
The players will be washing jizz out of their hair for a fortnight afterwards.
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
As I said yesterday, it is a pity we can't judge people based on their record and have to bring so much pejorative stuff about where they are from, how they speak etc.
Ian Rush says if Stevie G doesn't drink milk he won't be good enough to manage Aston Villa
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
As I said yesterday, it is a pity we can't judge people based on their record and have to bring so much pejorative stuff about where they are from, how they speak etc.
My problem is there's not enough record to judge.
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If there is a positive to the appointment, its the welcome return of the word ‘wankathon” to the board. You’ve been gone too long.
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As I said yesterday I admired him a lot as a player, time will tell on his managerial capabilities.
One thing that maybe overlooked is he should have good pull in attracting some new players in January.
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
As I said yesterday, it is a pity we can't judge people based on their record and have to bring so much pejorative stuff about where they are from, how they speak etc.
My problem is there's not enough record to judge.
Same here.. and that stupid haircut.
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If he does get us top six, and he does then move to Liverpool, we'll be having to look for another manager. I'd rather pass on that one.
Any manager that gets us into the top 6 will be coveted elsewhere.
Exactly, if we appointed Rodgers, ten Hag, Favre or Pochettino and they were successful they'd more than likely leave if Liverpool, Citeh or Yanited came calling. Mightn't be palatable but that's the way it is just as Sevco fans will be miffed if Stevie G leaves them for us.
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I don't think Gerrard would give less than his all, but I do think we'd have to be looking over our shoulders all the time. If any other manager got us top six we'd be looking to improve rather than expect him to leave but whatever Gerrard did we would always have that uncertainty. And more than anything, if we get him we'll have to endure the media agenda that we're just so lucky to have him.
If he gets us top 6 and wants to go liverpool he goes with my best wishes.
The calibre of manager we could attract should that happen would be great. We could look at a conte or ten hagen. At this stage sitting 15th those two wouldnt be looking at our job
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Regardless of whether he turns out to be any good or not, the titanic wankathon that will inevitably be our next trip to Anfield is enough to make my stomach churn. It's a maudlin enough place as it is, but the return of 'Steeeevie G" will see Villa treated as a total irrelevance in a Scouse orgy of melodrama.
The players will be washing jizz out of their hair for a fortnight afterwards.
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I'm dreading it all already. I'm so relieved I don't have any satellite sports channels to watch Villa games on! The rest of the media won't be any better, though!
We're going to have to have a collective strong stomach for the impending SGAV FC era, fellow Villa fans...we'll need it!
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Having said that, I just made the mistake of reading what some of those boneheads on Follow Follow are saying about us and it's almost making me want him to come just to stick it up their horrible arses.
The thread on there reminds me of the Jack saga here, will he/won't he, why now, wouldn't have minded if he gave us another season, leaves a sour taste, he could have been a legend etc.
Yeah - there is the same sense of inevitability about it. I think that's a good comparison. It feels like another time everyone loses.
They're now in the 'greeting' stage of grief...hope Villa get relegated, rat boy etc.
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I suppose you could look at it that we can use Gerrard as a bit of a stepping stone ourselves.
Get hopefully 3 good years and then go for a next level manager if he goes to Liverpool.
You never know.
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As I said yesterday I admired him a lot as a player, time will tell on his managerial capabilities.
One thing that maybe overlooked is he should have good pull in attracting some new players in January.
More than Conte, Tuchel, Arteta, Guardiola, Benitez, Bielsa, Rodgers, Moyes, Klopp, Ranieri, Vieira, potentially Lampard, and Man Utd?
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Let's just pray he doesn't relegate us.
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As I said yesterday I admired him a lot as a player, time will tell on his managerial capabilities.
One thing that maybe overlooked is he should have good pull in attracting some new players in January.
More than Conte, Tuchel, Arteta, Guardiola, Benitez, Bielsa, Rodgers, Moyes, Klopp, Ranieri, Vieira, potentially Lampard, and Man Utd?
Ignoring your irrelevant list, however, he should have more pull than Dean Smith.
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I don't think Gerrard would give less than his all, but I do think we'd have to be looking over our shoulders all the time. If any other manager got us top six we'd be looking to improve rather than expect him to leave but whatever Gerrard did we would always have that uncertainty. And more than anything, if we get him we'll have to endure the media agenda that we're just so lucky to have him.
If he gets us top 6 and wants to go liverpool he goes with my best wishes.
The calibre of manager we could attract should that happen would be great. We could look at a conte or ten hagen. At this stage sitting 15th those two wouldnt be looking at our job
I think this is where I am with it now. He's far from my first choice, I don't think he would be the right appointment, but if he came in and did well enough for us that Liverpool wanted him in a couple of years, then we'd obviously have to be in a much better position to get the NEXT manager.
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Let's just pray he doesn't relegate us.
Carm down carm down
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Looking desperately for positives, he should at least be a good mentor for Ramsey and Chukwuemeka. He also has a nasty streak which to be honest we could do with a little more of, we've been far too nice for too long. Maybe we will get a few refereeing decisions from some fanboy refs too.
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Gerrard questionnaire (no, I didn't make it, Ashley Preece Tweeted it).
https://t.co/78pqVWZ4yU?amp=1
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As I said yesterday I admired him a lot as a player, time will tell on his managerial capabilities.
One thing that maybe overlooked is he should have good pull in attracting some new players in January.
More than Conte, Tuchel, Arteta, Guardiola, Benitez, Bielsa, Rodgers, Moyes, Klopp, Ranieri, Vieira, potentially Lampard, and Man Utd?
Ignoring your irrelevant list, however, he should have more pull than Dean Smith.
Haha, well at least you're honest. Ignore the evidence in front of you.
If we had Favre or ten Hag, I'd understand and agree, but this is someone who has done a bit of semi-succesful managing in Scotland we're talking about.
Smith is very well liked by his players, and he's not been too shabby in terms of the ones he's attracted. I suspect there aren't many players who'd jump to Gerrard based on anything.
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Well, if he does make a success of it he will be the first since GT Mk1 who went on to further their career's after managing us. A bit of a managerial graveyard is Villa Park. That has more to do with who has previously been appointed than any conspiracy.
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Gary Mac is favourite to takeover at Rangers, but surely he’s an integral part of the “Gerrard team”?
Gerrard and Mac I can just about handle ( just ) . Gerrard and the Nanny , pleaseeeeeee nnnooooooooooo
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Elmo knows. https://twitter.com/Elmo_27/status/1458433842113613825
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Gary Mac is favourite to takeover at Rangers, but surely he’s an integral part of the “Gerrard team”?
Gerrard and Mac I can just about handle ( just ) . Gerrard and the Nanny , pleaseeeeeee nnnooooooooooo
Rangers are after Gattuso aren't they?
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Rangers are after Gattuso aren't they?
Or Lampard or Jon Dahl Tomasson or Giovanni van Bronckhorst or Deano or Colin.
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if he gets the job, I wont be listening to any manager interviews as I cannot stand hearing that bloody scouse accent.
As I said yesterday, it is a pity we can't judge people based on their record and have to bring so much pejorative stuff about where they are from, how they speak etc.
My problem is there's not enough record to judge.
In his defence, when he took over "Rangers" they'd just finished 3rd (behind Aberdeen). I mean, they'd finished 3rd in a two horse race, 2 seasons on the trot. Their then manager was in a bush in Luxembourg arguing with fans after they'd just been knocked out of Europe by some obscure side from that country.
Now they look like they'll qualify for the knockout rounds of the UEFA Cup, and have won the Scottish Premier League unbeaten. He's broken the club record for a winning streak that's been in place since 1906. Each season he's been in charge, they've scored more goals than they did the season before, and conceded fewer. It's not really fair on the lad to say that he's not got a record to judge. He's still a young & inexperienced manager, but he's done pretty well there IMO.
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Is there actually any more to this story than there was yesterday?
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It is basically six possible outcomes to a mathematical probability problem.
1. Klopp continues to succeed at Liverpool. Klopp stays.
2. Gerrard does well at Villa. Klopp staying so Villa keep Gerrard.
3. Klopp falters at Liverpool. Liverpool seek new manager
4. Gerrard doing well at Villa. Liverpool sign Gerrard.
5. Gerrard doing badly at Villa. Liverpool do not sign Gerrard.
6. Gerrard and Klopp are both replaced at Villa and Liverpool by managers who are not Gerrard or Klopp.
The precis is that if Gerrard does well with us we lose him. If he does badly we keep him.
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Is there actually any more to this story than there was yesterday?
He got off a train at Euston.
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Interesting reads: https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11788/12236762/the-evolution-of-gerrards-rangers; https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/07/steven-gerrard-pressure-rangers-champions.
Good reads, both. Thanks.
Yes, the detail of the Sky report especially.
Indeed. The Sky report did nothing to convince me he's the right man for the job, quite the opposite in fact. He certainly won't be given the time he had up there and will be expected to hit the ground running. The only crumb of comfort is we have a bloody good squad for him to work with from Day 1.
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Is there actually any more to this story than there was yesterday?
He got off a train at Euston.
He's now 25/1 on to be our next manager with 3 bookies. Jack was only 7/1 on to leave when he did go.
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I agree with the majority of sentiments about Gerard on here
Remember when Grealish’s team deleted his old tweets disparaging Man City before he went there
I hope we’re all doing that in a couple of years time
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Is there actually any more to this story than there was yesterday?
He got off a train at Euston.
Well, at least he's thinking of the environment which is a good start.
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This myth of Gerrard having success with Rangers/Sevco is driving me mad. As far as I can tell, he entered 9 domestic competitions, and has been favourite to win them, yet conspired to win just one. This includes finishing second in a two horse race twice, and then finally winning the league while Celtic implode and the rest of the league are in dire financial difficulty behind closed doors. Have I missed something?
Spot on. Celtic had gone off the boil.
Like being a League One manager with no decent teams in League One. His experience stands for nowt.
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5Live just now saying we've not yet made an official approach to Rangers.
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I wonder if he will
Keep the long throws
Bring Guilbert back
play 3 at the back
touch that Anfield sign
Play Watkins & Ings together
make a tachtical sub in the first 45 mins
Ever smile
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Justice for Edna from Station Road Witton circa 1976!!
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Did he play with Ings at Pool ?
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5Live just now saying we've not yet made an official approach to Rangers.
To be honest the way we now work, the press and especially the beeb will be the last to know what is going on.
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The African Car Reverser will have to be consulted.
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Just because he got off a train in London .....
Perhaps he's just one of those being interviewed?
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I wonder if he will
Keep the long throws
Bring Guilbert back
play 3 at the back
touch that Anfield sign
Play Watkins & Ings together
make a tachtical sub in the first 45 mins
Ever smile
Return Purslows affections
Get a different haircut
Request Phil Collins on matchdays
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
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I recall when we nearly appointed Solksjaer, it was suggested calling this site Herrings & Vikings.
Any suggestions for stevie G ?
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4/4/3
Players played in position
That’s all I ask.
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Spurs have a brilliant new stadium, are in European competition, have regularly finished in the top half, and often top 6. Comparing Spurs to us is ludicrous. They went through an embarrassing managerial search when it was much easier to do so and ended with Nuno who they quickly fired. In the modern game, and I'm talking last 10-15 years we have become irrelevant for the most part through. Spurs have played in a CL final, the best we've done is the league cup final. We are a massive club but bigger in our own heads and hearts than the rest of football sees us.
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I still think we're better with a goalkeeper.
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
So that’s a No then?
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I know Gerrard wants the Liverpool job, I know anybody who doesn't hate Liverpool wants Gerrard to get the Liverpool job, I know the media want Gerrard to get the Liverpool job.
What I don't understand is why would Liverpool, and in particular FSG (previously burned by appointing populist choice Kenny Dalglish after Roy Hodgson) choose to replace Klopp with somebody who in all likelihood will have won less than Brendon Rogers?!
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4/4/3
Players played in position
That’s all I ask.
Love 4-4-3. 12 players. Unless you have Emi in that back 4. In which case that's shit
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
What a load of melodramatic nonsence.
We're hiring a manager who is doing well at his current club. He plays a shape that suits us and has a well regarded backroom team. If he does very well there's a chance he will move on in maybe 3 years. If he's done well enough to get the Liverpool job, who gives a fuck if he's leaving us in a better place?
How many managers have we had who've lasted more than 3 years anyway? How many managers in the PL have been in their role more than 3 years?
It's not my favoured appointment but this sort of hysterical bullshit is ridiculous. Get a fucking grip.
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I know Gerrard wants the Liverpool job, I know anybody who doesn't hate Liverpool wants Gerrard to get the Liverpool job, I know the media want Gerrard to get the Liverpool job.
What I don't understand is why would Liverpool, and in particular FSG (previously burned by appointing populist choice Kenny Dalglish after Roy Hodgson) choose to replace Klopp with somebody who in all likelihood will have won less than Brendon Rogers?!
Gerrard would have to exceed my expectations at Villa to have a chance of managing Liverpool. It’s at least a couple of years away so I’m not stressing. My gut feeling is that it won’t work out at Villa but I’ll be 100% behind him and hoping to be surprised by roaring success.
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4/4/3
Players played in position
That’s all I ask.
Love 4-4-3. 12 players. Unless you have Emi in that back 4. In which case that's shit
Sorry that should be 3/4/3…not.
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There’s something about his hair that annoys me.
That’s all I contribute.
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It seems increasingly likely that he will get appointed, I would have preferred Martinez ….. I then read his poor statistics from his premier league time so maybe he’s not best either. Surely if it’s just ego based decision by Purslow, our very switched on owners wouldn’t fall for that ?
So if it is to be SG….. be good that Gary Mac comes back and he will “get” the club.
Do we think that his other assistant Michael Beale will come who he’s known since Liverpool days ? We’ve only just employed Aaron Danks and McPhee
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Dean Smith : "They sacked me for Steven F***ing Gerrard??? "
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There’s something about his hair that annoys me.
That’s all I contribute.
He has a good thick head of hair despite being in his 40s which may explain some posters' ire on here. ;)
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This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!
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This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!
The ones on the other side are all thick
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This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!
The ones on the other side are all thick
That's what I was hoping.
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This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!
I think it all boils down to where are you stood in the old Holte End left or right
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4/4/3
Players played in position
That’s all I ask.
Love 4-4-3. 12 players. Unless you have Emi in that back 4. In which case that's shit
We replaced Joe with 3 players, so I’d imagine we’d be 4-5-3 or maybe 4-6-2
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
What a load of melodramatic nonsence.
We're hiring a manager who is doing well at his current club. He plays a shape that suits us and has a well regarded backroom team. If he does very well there's a chance he will move on in maybe 3 years. If he's done well enough to get the Liverpool job, who gives a fuck if he's leaving us in a better place?
How many managers have we had who've lasted more than 3 years anyway? How many managers in the PL have been in their role more than 3 years?
It's not my favoured appointment but this sort of hysterical bullshit is ridiculous. Get a fucking grip.
Haha well that’s predictable coming from you.
So on a football forum I’m not entitled to an opinion when 80% on this thread are probably thinking something similar and you chose to react to my post? Haha
Should I run my posts past you first to vet them before I submit them?
If you’re an adult grow up some more. If you’re a child get back to your homework.
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This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!
Is it an Owls and Gibbons thing?
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Reasonable opinions vs unreasonable opinions is my opinion in X and Y
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
I’m in my 70s now so heaven forbid the outbreak of WW3 I’m unlikely to receive the call to arms
If it does come, however, I hope to God I don’t find myself next to you in the trenches
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
I’m in my 70s now so heaven forbid the outbreak of WW3 I’m unlikely to receive the call to arms
If it does come, however, I hope to God I don’t find myself next to you in the trenches
70s! 85 and under will be fighting.
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So it looks like liverpool's next manager ... Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.
Lots of assumptions and judgements in that extended paragraph!
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
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He wont necessarily have had to set our world alight to get the Liverpool job. He might get it whatever happens.
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Dean Smith : "They sacked me for Steven F***ing Gerrard??? "
Steven Gerrard : They sacked Dean Smith for me??? What the fuck were they thinking.....
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
You won't get far with that kind of common sense around here.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
I agree to a certain extent but then the realistic alternative names that people opposed to Gerrard propose have nearly all failed and been sacked - some more than once
I posted here yesterday that back in Harold Wilson’ s day someone said “all political careers end in failure”
The same appears to be true in football management with the exception of SAF and Wenger - although even the latter outstayed his welcome
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
I agree to a certain extent but then the realistic alternative names that people opposed to Gerrard propose have nearly all failed and been sacked - some more than once
I posted here yesterday that back in Harold Wilson’ s day someone said “all political careers end in failure”
The same appears to be true in football management with the exception of SAF and Wenger - although even the latter outstayed his welcome
Again true but no history of failure is one of the things that worries me about him, he's never had to worry about turning around a run of defeats (like we're on) in the middle of a season because the nature of scottish football meant he was never more than a couple of games away from one where anything but a straight-forward win was highly unlikely.
Mistakes and failures teach you as much as victories and it's something he just doesn't have enough experience of because of where he's been so far.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher
So who would be your choice?
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If Gerrard is the answer I’m not sure what the question is.
The question who should be Small Heath's next manager.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Ironically enough, Gerrard doesn't really have a 'track' record bar the equivalent of a few point to point runs around in Glasgow. His European record is a bit more promising. But there is nothing in his CV that suggests he is an upgrade from Smith, far from it in fact.
It's not quite the Sherwood level of a gamble but it ain't far off. Maybe Gerrard keeps us in the division and gets us to an FA cup final like Tactics Timmy did. Gerrard is somewhat brave taking this gig, I will give him credit for that. Fail here, as numerous previous managers have shown, and it's a career killer.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher
So who would be your choice?
That's a tough question to answer because we don't know who they've spoken to or what feedback they've had. That said if they've done their job properly then we should have tried to speak to ten Hag, Favre, Emery, Potter and probably a fair few more.
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I've voted no, but was against John Terry coming here too. I changed my mind about him so who knows!
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I wonder if he will
Keep the long throws
Bring Guilbert back
play 3 at the back
touch that Anfield sign
Play Watkins & Ings together
make a tachtical sub in the first 45 mins
Ever smile
Return Purslows affections
Get a different haircut
Request Phil Collins on matchdays
Phil Collins for Gerrard:
A Matt Cash throw - In the Air Tonight
Ashley Young penalty - I Missed Again
Klopp gets the sack - Take Me Home
Villa winning the FA Cup - Against All Odds
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The trip to Anfield - Another Day In Paradise
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You’re all sick fuckers admitting to knowing these tunes.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher
So who would be your choice?
That's a tough question to answer because we don't know who they've spoken to or what feedback they've had. That said if they've done their job properly then we should have tried to speak to ten Hag, Favre, Emery, Potter and probably a fair few more.
But this is the problem - Favre has been sacked 3 times, Emery twice plus a couple of unexplained resignations. So can these be described as “proven” managers?
And Ten Haag is probably waiting for the Man Utd job. Potter I don’t know about
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You’re all sick fuckers admitting to knowing these tunes.
I agree with Small Rodent.
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Emery has won three UEFA Cups. That's pretty proven.
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.
Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.
Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher
So who would be your choice?
That's a tough question to answer because we don't know who they've spoken to or what feedback they've had. That said if they've done their job properly then we should have tried to speak to ten Hag, Favre, Emery, Potter and probably a fair few more.
But this is the problem - Favre has been sacked 3 times, Emery twice plus a couple of unexplained resignations. So can these be described as “proven” managers?
And Ten Haag is probably waiting for the Man Utd job. Potter I don’t know about
Again I don't see someone as having been sacked as a negative, if they get sacked in the same circumstances, making the same mistakes then there's some red flags but that doesn't really apply to any of them.
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
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Again I don't see someone as having been sacked as a negative, if they get sacked in the same circumstances, making the same mistakes then there's some red flags but that doesn't really apply to any of them.
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I think the same mistakes they made were losing too many matches
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This appointment - like absolutely any other appointment - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.
You won't get far with that kind of common sense around here.
I know.
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
At the risk of being controversial, I’m not sure I would categorise Pullis as a great manager
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Forgive my ignorance on the matter but was Sir GT ever sacked - he resigned from the England Post
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Have Liverpool FC written in blood and stone somewhere that SG must simply have to be their manager at some point in the future. What bollocks. When Klopp goes they will choose the best manager available at the time that they can get. They won’t go - Klopp is going - call SG and offer him the job.
The point is. His worth now is based on some stupid assumption that he is already good enough to be Liverpool manager in the future.
The truth is somewhat is nobody knows - but the “media” love it (him being auto next LFC manager) for some reason. It’s bloody weird. How did he get that rep?
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Jock Stein, Matt Busby, Bill Shankly, Bill Nicholson ?
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At the risk of being controversial, I’m not sure I would categorise Pullis as a great manager
Surprisingly like JT, Pulis is a Celtic fan apparently.
Less surprisingly so is Chris Sutton. ;) https://twitter.com/chris_sutton73/status/1458514388281925638
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Forgive my ignorance on the matter but was Sir GT ever sacked - he resigned from the England Post
The dog heads sacked him when he tried to sell the family silver I think
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Forgive my ignorance on the matter but was Sir GT ever sacked - he resigned from the England Post
The dog heads sacked him when he tried to sell the family silver I think
He resigned from Wolves.
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Baconface?
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I literally have no idea if this is a good idea or not. That's my contribution to the debate.
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At the risk of being controversial, I’m not sure I would categorise Pullis as a great manager
Surprisingly like JT, Pulis is a Celtic fan apparently.
Less surprisingly so is Chris Sutton. ;) https://twitter.com/chris_sutton73/status/1458514388281925638
Sutton's the Farage of football - a shit stirrer supreme.
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For him to eventually get the Liverpoo job, he would have to have been a big success at Villa first.
Win - Win.
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Have Liverpool FC written in blood and stone somewhere that SG must simply have to be their manager at some point in the future. What bollocks. When Klopp goes they will choose the best manager available at the time that they can get. They won’t go - Klopp is going - call SG and offer him the job.
The point is. His worth now is based on some stupid assumption that he is already good enough to be Liverpool manager in the future.
The truth is somewhat is nobody knows - but the “media” love it (him being auto next LFC manager) for some reason. It’s bloody weird. How did he get that rep?
Agreed. Liverpool were smart enough to appoint Klopp. I don't think their decision-makers are daft enough to acquiesce to the longings of a former employee just for shits and giggles.
Edit: their last bad appointments were Roy Hodgson and Kenny Dalglish (Mk 2). I wonder which boneheaded CEO did that?!
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If Gerrard gets the job, as seems increasingly likely, then as long as he does a good job for us I will be a happy fan. I’m not too concerned about his association with Liverpool but I am more concerned by his lack of experience.
As a player and manager he’s never had to deal with a struggling team, and that experience is invaluable in tough times - particularly if you come through the other side. However he should have picked up some good habits over the years and hopefully has learned a thing or two in Scotland and picked up a few pointers on how he could improve as a manager.
I think this is a massive appointment for Purslow. If our owners are as ambitious as we hope, Gerrard not succeeding at the Villa would be a failure which falls squarely on his head and I reckon he’d be out in the same taxi as Gerrard.
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I literally have no idea if this is a good idea or not. That's my contribution to the debate.
Which should be everyone's stance......but it would be a crap thread if we had 30 pages of that, so let's keep the pontificating going.
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Yep I’ve no idea what it will bring, but when he joins I’ll support him.
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Every great British manager has been sacked at some point.
Forgive my ignorance on the matter but was Sir GT ever sacked - he resigned from the England Post
The dog heads sacked him when he tried to sell the family silver I think
He resigned from Wolves.
I’d forgotten he’d even been there
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
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Who cares what outsiders think. Are people that brittle?
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He isn’t my first choice but as it looks like a done deal let’s get it done and get behind him.
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My main problem with it is every time I see the fella I get a Phil Collins song circling my head. He could win the first ten games and that will still be hard to cope with.
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I am open to warming to him based entirely on performance, just like I was with JT.
I still think it is a massive, unnecessary risk and there has to be better options available. Smacks of a lack of ambition.
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Who cares what outsiders think. Are people that brittle?
I agree, but the thought of having our success end up in Liverpool history is a touch galling. Would be nice to have that success though!
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I think he's going to do really well.
I also think I want to brain him every time I hear him speak.
It's a real conundrum.
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All non-sociopaths care what other people think.
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I dont see how it would have anything to do with Liverpool. If Terry, Mr Chelsea, can play one season and be a coach here and love us, then why not Gerrard? If Stevie La is successful, then just imagine how under and into his skin we will become.
It's easier to name those who don't fall madly in love with us than those who do.
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Who cares what outsiders think. Are people that brittle?
Depends what he does. Results under Houllier weren't great and he then did his own Liverpool love in on first return to Anfield and lost loads of support that night. O'leary couldn't shut up about Leeds his first season here. Those were two reasonably experienced and capable managers who misread what we want in managers.
I do though think Gerrard is a bit more PR savvy than those and so he'll do a quick reference in his press conference and after his sole intention will be making us into a top 6 team in the future.
I was hugely sceptical about Terry and on and off the pitch he was as good as gold serving us in two different capacities so hopefully I'm wrong again.
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I dont see how it would have anything to do with Liverpool. If Terry, Mr Chelsea, can play one season and be a coach here and love us, then why not Gerrard? If Stevie La is successful, then just imagine how under and into his skin we will become.
It's easier to name those who don't fall madly in love with us than those who do.
FWIW saw this 'theory' put forward on the Rangers site by one of its 'well-known' posters which is at least novel if a tad unbelievable.
Mate down here in Wales is an agent, spoke to him just now and he reckons it was all set up for Gerrard to go at the end of the season but Villa’s league position and Smith sacking brought it forward. Says that the owners of Villa are Liverpool fans and have a huge hard on for SG. They have visions of building a City Group style of global network of clubs and see Gerrard as being central to that. He’s now in the safest seat in the EPL, his mate is his boss and his biggest fan boys write the cheques. He doubts he’s even got it in his head now to join Liverpool, reckons Gerrard will have/get equity in the group.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
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Have Liverpool FC written in blood and stone somewhere that SG must simply have to be their manager at some point in the future. What bollocks. When Klopp goes they will choose the best manager available at the time that they can get. They won’t go - Klopp is going - call SG and offer him the job.
The point is. His worth now is based on some stupid assumption that he is already good enough to be Liverpool manager in the future.
The truth is somewhat is nobody knows - but the “media” love it (him being auto next LFC manager) for some reason. It’s bloody weird. How did he get that rep?
Agreed. Liverpool were smart enough to appoint Klopp. I don't think their decision-makers are daft enough to acquiesce to the longings of a former employee just for shits and giggles.
Edit: their last bad appointments were Roy Hodgson and Kenny Dalglish (Mk 2). I wonder which boneheaded CEO did that?!
It’s almost as if he is already good enough to be Liverpool manager - so has to be good enough for us.
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He isn’t my first choice but as it looks like a done deal let’s get it done and get behind him.
Exactly.
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‘ I don’t like Liverpool’ and/or ‘I don’t like Rangers’ seem to be the basis of a lot of the objections to him but they don’t strike me as convincing arguments against employing a particular individual. And I hate Liverpool as much as anyone does.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
Stop it with the telling people what they should and shouldn’t do. His rights and opinions are as valid as yours
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All non-sociopaths care what other people think.
There’s a bit of a difference between being uncaring about other people’s legitimate concerns and rights and not giving a toss about the irrelevant opinions of people whose views on a topic don’t matter.
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I dont see how it would have anything to do with Liverpool. If Terry, Mr Chelsea, can play one season and be a coach here and love us, then why not Gerrard? If Stevie La is successful, then just imagine how under and into his skin we will become.
It's easier to name those who don't fall madly in love with us than those who do.
FWIW saw this 'theory' put forward on the Rangers site by one of its 'well-known' posters which is at least novel if a tad unbelievable.
Mate down here in Wales is an agent, spoke to him just now and he reckons it was all set up for Gerrard to go at the end of the season but Villa’s league position and Smith sacking brought it forward. Says that the owners of Villa are Liverpool fans and have a huge hard on for SG. They have visions of building a City Group style of global network of clubs and see Gerrard as being central to that. He’s now in the safest seat in the EPL, his mate is his boss and his biggest fan boys write the cheques. He doubts he’s even got it in his head now to join Liverpool, reckons Gerrard will have/get equity in the group.
Based on everything that's happened in the last few months that 'feels' like it could be pretty accurate. There's already been the talks about setting up a club in MLS. I've said before the choice to not spend anything other than the Grealish money felt, to me, like they were building up a buffer to spend big at some point (I said Janaury but next summer makes sense as well). I can also see the appeal, in those circumstances, of sidestepping from Smith to Gerrard to make things a bit 'sexier' for the marketing side of things.
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calm down kiddies :) - he's not joined yet. It's hardly McLeish.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
The_Ads - Drummond has over 20,000 posts on this board and you have absolutely no idea what he is like. I'm not sure if you're a few beers in, but seriously take a break for a bit.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
Stop it with the telling people what they should and shouldn’t do. His rights and opinions are as valid as yours
Stop telling people to stop telling other people to stop whatever they are saying. Well that's my opinion anyway.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
I think the person showing most emotion here is you. You can read all of my posts, you can see my whole posting history and you'll know if you've read them that I, probably more so than anyone else, has supported all of our managers, probably beyond what is reasonable! As for showing off to my mates, I've really no need to do that. And I've said before, I don't want any Villa manager to fail. I think there's a good chance he will, though he'll be managing a better squad than any manager for a long time. It's a shame Smith didn't get the full benefit.
You can be the best fan if you like; kiss his arse, sing him songs, get his autograph. He can earn it as far as I'm concerned because I'm not some starstruck fan boy.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Of course it will be an emotional return
By my reckoning he was at Liverpool for 27 years
If you went back to a company you had worked for for 27 years, or went back to a house you had lived in for 27 years, would you not feel “emotional”?
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Rangers say no approach has been made to speak to StevieMe
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Of course it will be an emotional return
By my reckoning he was at Liverpool for 27 years
If you went back to a company you had worked for for 27 years, or went back to a house you had lived in for 27 years, would you not feel “emotional”?
stop being rational. :D
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Of course it will be an emotional return
By my reckoning he was at Liverpool for 27 years
If you went back to a company you had worked for for 27 years, or went back to a house you had lived in for 27 years, would you not feel “emotional”?
My point is that he hasn't even joined and already people are telling about him going back to Liverpool and the emotional stuff.
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Honestly who cares. At no point during O'Neill's reign did I stop my enjoyment to think about how some people for whose opinions I don't care about, described us as Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
Hitler was an Everton fan.
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Of course it will be an emotional return
By my reckoning he was at Liverpool for 27 years
If you went back to a company you had worked for for 27 years, or went back to a house you had lived in for 27 years, would you not feel “emotional”?
It's journalism.
Are they not supposed to mention it?
If Deano comes back with another club and heads out along the touchline he'll get a great reception.
What's the difference?
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Oh shut up.
And here's the last paragraph of the Telegraph article..
"He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11."
Don’t be so angry mate. I don’t give a fuck what it says in the Telegraph. Why are you getting so emotional about what’s written by a journalist. You’ll be on here, after every defeat, crying “I told you so” when we lose. You can’t wait for him to fail so you can stand tall and tell your mates that you told a load of strangers on the internet that you were right
As I said. I’ll be following your posts. I hope he’s the most successful manager of the last 30 years of the premier league for us, I’ll be right behind him. So should you be.
The_Ads - Drummond has over 20,000 posts on this board and you have absolutely no idea what he is like. I'm not sure if you're a few beers in, but seriously take a break for a bit.
Conversely I’m 47 years old my drinking these days is saved for a couple of pints on match day so I’m as close to t-total as there is. 20,000 posts or not, I think the inference that SG will fawn over Liverpool is an insult. As insulting as you inferring I’ve ‘had a few’ because I’ve the temerity to call someone out on it just because they’ve been a member of a fan forum longer than I have .
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
Hitler was an Everton fan.
As a boy, yes, but after all that time at Liverpool he was bound to have changed allegiance.
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Rangers say no approach has been made to speak to StevieMe
Whilst also targeting Russell Martin as his replacement. ???
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Now let's get back on topic, which is not posting history or drinking habits.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
Hitler was an Everton fan.
As a boy, yes, but after all that time at Liverpool he was bound to have changed allegiance.
https://twitter.com/aidrianoo/status/1089148359976411137?lang=en
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
We’ve had worse caretakers then Ian Huntley
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Now let's get back on topic, which is not posting history or drinking habits.
I reckon Steven Gerrard has never posted on here, which is a definite mark against him. And I reckon he enjoys a shandy or two, hence the alleged assault on the DJ....
Sorry.
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There will certainly be a massive press conference for Gerrard
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Hitler being an Everton fan would explain a lot about the racist comments I heard about the ethnic composition of our team the last time I went to Goodison.
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Hitler being an Everton fan would explain a lot about the racist comments I heard about the ethnic composition of our team the last time I went to Goodison.
But was he a decent player? I'm guessing he was a bit of a winger?
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Dear Steven - buy two fucking top midfielders, no 3 or 5 at the back, we don’t need to play both Ings and Watkins always, no punting it 50 yards down the pitch. Don’t surrender possession from the kick off versus inferior opponents. Play to win. Keep the ball. Defend high up the pitch. Win lots of games.
Ta
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Dear Steven - buy two fucking top midfielders, no 3 or 5 at the back, we don’t need to play both Ings and Watkins always, no punting it 50 yards down the pitch. Don’t surrender possession from the kick off versus inferior opponents. Play to win. Keep the ball. Defend high up the pitch. Win lots of games.
Ta
Amen.
Piece of piss this management malarkey.
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Now let's get back on topic, which is not posting history or drinking habits.
“Get back on topic”?? You’re new here aren’t you?
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Rangers say no approach has been made to speak to StevieMe
Suits me, at least.
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You just watch, we’ll play Liverpool at Wembley at some point.
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Hitler being an Everton fan would explain a lot about the racist comments I heard about the ethnic composition of our team the last time I went to Goodison.
But was he a decent player? I'm guessing he was a bit of a winger?
Used to play in the same team with Samir Nazi, Christian Zeige Heil, and Frank Third Reichaard.
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Oh well, looks like it's done and dusted. Not what I would have chosen, but I'll get behind him now and hope this is seen as a masterstroke in a few years, after we've won the League again. Perhaps in 10 years he'll be known as "Steven Gerrard the famous Villa Manager" .
Stevie G's Claret and Blue Army !!!
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I've never been a fan of Stevie Me so I have to admit that I'm biased. I think he lacks experience so he wouldn't be my first choice. Unfortunately, I don't follow other clubs and their coaches so I'm unable to offer an alternative.
That said, if he comes, I will wish him every success and support him wholeheartedly.
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I'm surprised to find out that Hitler supported the Toffees. Everything I've heard about the fella would suggest that he didn't like chews.
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I've never been a fan of Stevie Me so I have to admit that I'm biased. I think he lacks experience so he wouldn't be my first choice. Unfortunately, I don't follow other clubs and their coaches so I'm unable to offer an alternative.
That said, if he comes, I will wish him every success and support him wholeheartedly.
I find it very odd that a few oddballs mean people feel the need to post the bold bit. Surely everyone on here realises that everyone else on here will do exactly that as soon as the annonucement comes. That should never stop people from expressing concerns or disagreeing with the choice up until it happens though.
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I wonder what the length of the contract will be? Protect our investment from Merseyside clutches so the compo, if it happens, is mahusive?
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Remember seeing him interviewed after a Rangers game. No idea what a couple of his players had done, the interviewer asked him what he meant by whatever action he'd taken. His response was 'it's a warning'.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
clappy emoji thing
best thing I've read all day
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Christ, that Rangers forum is choc full of some of the thickest ****** I think I've ever encountered on the internet. Anywhere on the internet.
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Dear Steven - buy two fucking top midfielders, no 3 or 5 at the back, we don’t need to play both Ings and Watkins always, no punting it 50 yards down the pitch. Don’t surrender possession from the kick off versus inferior opponents. Play to win. Keep the ball. Defend high up the pitch. Win lots of games.
Ta
TeamTalk says he wants to make Barkley his first signing
So that will go down well
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Thank you Des.
In a U-turn more shameless than would even be considered by our current prime minister, I am now fully on board with this appointment, and it's all because of one tweet that I've just seen.
joseph
@_jabyrr
shame on you steven gerrard you are not fit to wear that poppy
https://twitter.com/_jabyrr/status/1458550348352827393
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In a U-turn more shameless than would even be considered by our current prime minister, I am now fully on board with this appointment, and it's all because of one tweet that I've just seen.
You're such a slag!
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I coped with Terry being here. I think because he kept under the radar and did his job. It never once became about him. This however, is different, it will be Gerrard's Villa, it will be Liverpool legend, it will be a circus. And when he's sacked you can bet we'll have done the wrong thing.
Anyway, not long to wait to see his first team. Let's hope we win the next 5 and we can all shut up and be surprised.
If the fickle football fan could be summed up in one paragraph you’ve just achieved it. If you are so vehemently against the appointment you should pin your colours to the mast forever. I, for one , will be fucking delighted to point and laugh when you come on here to apologise. You will, of course, be willing him to fail so will watch carefully your posts over the coming weeks.
Have you always supported the appointment of every manager we've had? Before they've got the job? And defended them so vigorously? I mean, if I looked back at your posts from the past, would you always have been so glowing? And why are defending Gerrard so much?
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This thread has truly gone weird - even by our standards.
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20/80 now on the poll...are people changing their votes now that Gerrard seems a cert?? 😜
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I have possibly the first bit of ITK I've ever had about anything meaningful (but it is very vague), apparently Gerrard was unsure about the timing but was sold because we have promised a HUGE budget for the next 2 windows (£150m+ in January alone). It might be bullshit but it's come from a really random source through work who only sent me a message because I'm the only Villa fan he knows and he was excited to tell someone, not the sort of guy I'd think would make it up.
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He's still only 41. Get him in alongside Sanson
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Look I don't want him, but if he is appointed manager of the best team in the world, it goes without saying that I will be willing him on to become the greatest and most successful manager in the history of the beautiful game.
Perhaps a bit presumptuously, I suspect I speak for all of the StevieMe-sceptics on this site.
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It's inevitable now, I feel. People know my views, there's no point in rehashing them and bringing down those that are excited or at least trying to get excited about the appointment, whether they're wholly in favour or were unsure but want to see the positive side. Peace.
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He's still only 41. Get him in alongside Sanson
Surely he transform into a CDM/Sweeper at that age, modern footballers and their diets.
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It's the owners money. They do as they please. We are not run by consensus but I don't like the man. Never will. That takes some of the enjoyment away for me.
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Christ, that Rangers forum is choc full of some of the thickest ****** I think I've ever encountered on the internet. Anywhere on the internet.
You sound surprised.
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One thing that you’ve got to say is if he is Purslow and the owners man they will back him
As Paul e has said he wouldn’t even be coming here unless he had guarantees On his spending money
So that could be good
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He'll f**king need it. It took him 2 years to get Rangers moving in the right direction. This season they apparently started moving backwards due to lack of major investment.
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He'll f**king need it. It took him 2 years to get Rangers moving in the right direction. This season they apparently started moving backwards due to lack of major investment.
Aren’t there rumours that they’re in danger of going pop again?
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What is it they say about the 5 stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I reckon most people on here are somewhere between 4 and 5!
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Dear Steven - buy two fucking top midfielders, no 3 or 5 at the back, we don’t need to play both Ings and Watkins always, no punting it 50 yards down the pitch. Don’t surrender possession from the kick off versus inferior opponents. Play to win. Keep the ball. Defend high up the pitch. Win lots of games.
Ta
Just give the job to TV. He’s got it sussed, and he can start the match threads even earlier.
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What is it they say about the 5 stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I reckon most people on here are somewhere between 4 and 5!
That's certainly where I am!
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He'll f**king need it. It took him 2 years to get Rangers moving in the right direction. This season they apparently started moving backwards due to lack of major investment.
Aren’t there rumours that they’re in danger of going pop again?
£23m debt on the books. Massive up there with no major TV deal and no Champions League (see Malmo).
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He'll f**king need it. It took him 2 years to get Rangers moving in the right direction. This season they apparently started moving backwards due to lack of major investment.
Aren’t there rumours that they’re in danger of going pop again?
£23m debt on the books. Massive up there with no major TV deal and no Champions League (see Malmo).
That's a shame.
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Not overly enamoured by this proposal but let's see what happens. No lose for him which is what I don't like most of all
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Oh it's been obvious for 24 hours he's coming. And whilst I accept it, I reserve the right to remain stubbornly at 1 and 4! 😁
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One thing that you’ve got to say is if he is Purslow and the owners man they will back him
As Paul e has said he wouldn’t even be coming here unless he had guarantees On his spending money
So that could be good
Players, good ones anyway, still have to want to come. I certainly have my doubts if 'Steven Gerrard's Aston Villa' is going to be much of a draw for elite or near elite players. Getting players out never easy either. Newcastle and Spurs will be throwing a lot of money around in January too....should be interesting.
anyway let's see how Gerrard does, his first X1 v Brighton with hopefully a fully fit squad to choose from....the wheel always turns
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Not overly enamoured by this proposal but let's see what happens. No lose for him which is what I don't like most of all
I'd say that if it's a major failure he's getting nowhere near the Liverpool job.
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What is it they say about the 5 stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I reckon most people on here are somewhere between 4 and 5!
That's certainly where I am!
I'm still between denial and anger, to quote Austin MscPhee, 'The Bitterest Pill (I Ever Had To Swallow)'.
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He'll f**king need it. It took him 2 years to get Rangers moving in the right direction. This season they apparently started moving backwards due to lack of major investment.
Aren’t there rumours that they’re in danger of going pop again?
£23m debt on the books. Massive up there with no major TV deal and no Champions League (see Malmo).
That's a shame.
It's why Rangers are looking to be heavily compensated, as reported in the Glasgow Times:
'Assistant manager Gary McAllister, coaches Michael Beale and Tom Culshaw and performance expert Jordan Milsom will also leave Rangers after Villa put together a multi-million pound compensation deal for the management team.'
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I have possibly the first bit of ITK I've ever had about anything meaningful (but it is very vague), apparently Gerrard was unsure about the timing but was sold because we have promised a HUGE budget for the next 2 windows (£150m+ in January alone). It might be bullshit but it's come from a really random source through work who only sent me a message because I'm the only Villa fan he knows and he was excited to tell someone, not the sort of guy I'd think would make it up.
If we do have that sort of budget then I’d be pretty passed off that they didn’t back Deano more in the summer to get that DM that the whole world knew we needed. That (and trying to shoe horn in 2 up front) is what has cost him his job in my opinion.
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Stan suggesting it’s a done deal
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It's why Rangers are looking to be heavily compensated, as reported in the Glasgow Times:
'Assistant manager Gary McAllister, coaches Michael Beale and Tom Culshaw and performance expert Jordan Milsom will also leave Rangers after Villa put together a multi-million pound compensation deal for the management team.'
Apparently it's only 2-3 million, Celtic got 8.8 million when Rodgers left.
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It's why Rangers are looking to be heavily compensated, as reported in the Glasgow Times:
'Assistant manager Gary McAllister, coaches Michael Beale and Tom Culshaw and performance expert Jordan Milsom will also leave Rangers after Villa put together a multi-million pound compensation deal for the management team.'
Apparently it's only 2-3 million, Celtic got 8.8 million when Rodgers left.
There's a reason for that.
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I have possibly the first bit of ITK I've ever had about anything meaningful (but it is very vague), apparently Gerrard was unsure about the timing but was sold because we have promised a HUGE budget for the next 2 windows (£150m+ in January alone). It might be bullshit but it's come from a really random source through work who only sent me a message because I'm the only Villa fan he knows and he was excited to tell someone, not the sort of guy I'd think would make it up.
If we do have that sort of budget then I’d be pretty passed off that they didn’t back Deano more in the summer to get that DM that the whole world knew we needed. That (and trying to shoe horn in 2 up front) is what has cost him his job in my opinion.
Maybe the 150m is based on the fact there offers will get rejected cos there embarrassingly under valued?
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It's why Rangers are looking to be heavily compensated, as reported in the Glasgow Times:
'Assistant manager Gary McAllister, coaches Michael Beale and Tom Culshaw and performance expert Jordan Milsom will also leave Rangers after Villa put together a multi-million pound compensation deal for the management team.'
Apparently it's only 2-3 million, Celtic got 8.8 million when Rodgers left.
There's a reason for that.
I’d pay 88m for Rogers at the moment
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Now let's get back on topic, which is not posting history or drinking habits.
“Get back on topic”?? You’re new here aren’t you?
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Be a great reunion for him and George Boateng. The laughs, the memories.
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Hitler being an Everton fan would explain a lot about the racist comments I heard about the ethnic composition of our team the last time I went to Goodison.
But was he a decent player? I'm guessing he was a bit of a winger?
I reckon if he was a decent player then he probably would have been a decent manager.
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I have possibly the first bit of ITK I've ever had about anything meaningful (but it is very vague), apparently Gerrard was unsure about the timing but was sold because we have promised a HUGE budget for the next 2 windows (£150m+ in January alone). It might be bullshit but it's come from a really random source through work who only sent me a message because I'm the only Villa fan he knows and he was excited to tell someone, not the sort of guy I'd think would make it up.
If we do have that sort of budget then I’d be pretty passed off that they didn’t back Deano more in the summer to get that DM that the whole world knew we needed. That (and trying to shoe horn in 2 up front) is what has cost him his job in my opinion.
Yep, seems like they've been waiting on Smith to fail.
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I have possibly the first bit of ITK I've ever had about anything meaningful (but it is very vague), apparently Gerrard was unsure about the timing but was sold because we have promised a HUGE budget for the next 2 windows (£150m+ in January alone). It might be bullshit but it's come from a really random source through work who only sent me a message because I'm the only Villa fan he knows and he was excited to tell someone, not the sort of guy I'd think would make it up.
My nephew sent me the same info a couple of hours ago!
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Welcome Mr Gerrard UTV🦁
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One thing that you’ve got to say is if he is Purslow and the owners man they will back him
As Paul e has said he wouldn’t even be coming here unless he had guarantees On his spending money
So that could be good
Don't think the incoming manager will need to spend masses of money to get to a position that most of us would be satisfied with this season. Just needs to get those already there fit and firing again and bring in one or possibly two quality central midfielders in January.
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I'm at the standing with my arms folded, sour look on my face, saying 'go on then, impress me', stage.
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I'm at the standing with my arms folded, sour look on my face, saying 'go on then, impress me', stage.
I feel the same. If he feels that Villa is a stepping stone to the Liverpool job he can stay in Scotland.
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ok , i will welcome him
but none of this Stevie G nonsense
oh and none of your mate Danny Murphy turning up
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It appears he has signed. Not most of our first choice but he will be supported like all new Villa managers are. It’s a massive move for him and a massive opportunity. And if he grabs it both hands he can stay and build something significant with us or provide himself a platform for whatever he wants as his next step. Good luck Steven.
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Be like the last 41 year old wool who managed us Gerrard.
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Apparently it's only 2-3 million, Celtic got 8.8 million when Rodgers left.
There's a reason for that.
I know, Celtic's board were smarter when it came to negotiating their manager's contract.
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Get him in in Jan. to help sort out the midfield. https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1458428177164951552
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He wouldn’t have been my choice, and isn’t worth sacking Smith for in my opinion. However, like most people on here, I’ll support him, and want him to succeed.
I can’t pretend that I’m enthusiastic about the change in approach that this seems to represent, or that being a ‘big name’ is given such importance. I can’t imagine him ever feeling like our manager, in the same way that Smith (or Little, Gregory or Atkinson for that matter) did. I also can’t see him having the vision, or hanging around long enough, to positively and profoundly shape the culture of the club. I think this requires a bit more experience and longevity, which won’t happen if we are just a stepping stone. It’ll probably mean that I subconsciously adapt, and become a little less invested.
The club hierarchy might genuinely believe that he represents our best chance of long term sustainable success, but I just don’t see it.
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Get him in in Jan. to help sort out the midfield. https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1458428177164951552
We might have our own version in Chucky. JPB and Jacob Ramsey all have tremendous potential. When Dean Smith put on Ashley Young in central midfield was the final straw for me when he could have thrown in one of our promising kids.
Steven Gerrard made a name for himself as young player from the Liverpool academy. I hope he remembers that and gives proper opportunities to our high potential players.
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I hadn’t realised Gerrard came through Liverpool’s academy. He just seemed to come out of nowhere and then be around for ever. Had a chat to a mate who follows the Scottish football and he reckons it would be a pretty good appointment if it happens, very demanding of the players apparently. Should be the case for most managers though, surely. I’m still not convinced tbh, but I am slowly coming round to it. Looks like it’s as good as done anyway. We just got to get on with things now. Still can’t get my head around us losing on Friday night and Steven Fkn Gerrard potentially in the job a week later! Crazy stuff. My biggest concern is if he gets off to a poor start, how much time will he get? Nuno got what, 10 league games in charge at Spurs?
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All non-sociopaths care what other people think.
There’s a bit of a difference between being uncaring about other people’s legitimate concerns and rights and not giving a toss about the irrelevant opinions of people whose views on a topic don’t matter.
"The tranquility that comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do." - MA
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What is it they say about the 5 stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I reckon most people on here are somewhere between 4 and 5!
Way past it, having drunk the kool-aid in copious amounts.
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He's clearly the unity candidate then.
We should go for someone less controversial, like Hitler, or Ian Huntley.
Hitler would suit Tyrone Mings. They've both only got one ball.
You're bold! You don't care do you?
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A resounding no to Stevie
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If we are on the point of replacing a guy who was Aston Villa through and through with a guy who is Liverpool through and through, it had better work.
The only true measure is whether we break into the top six.
In fairness, this is as big a gamble for Gerrard as it is for us (if it happens).
Got to trust the owners who have shown 100% commitment so far.
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Be like the last 41 year old wool who managed us Gerrard.
Yep, there's an instruction manual there for you, Stevie. Follow it and you'll be fine.
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I see Stan Collymore seems to suggest it’s all done and wrapped up.
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The good news is is if he does move to Liverpool in the future having been successful with us then Klopp should be available!
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Also I will say this. Gerrard was obviously the board's first choice even if he wasn't ours. You have to give some credit to the board for getting this done so quickly with their preferred target given the issue Spurs had in the summer.
Cue Gerrard turning us down citing an 'unfinished project' at Rangers.
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If we are on the point of replacing a guy who was Aston Villa through and through with a guy who is Liverpool through and through, it had better work.
The only true measure is whether we break into the top six.
In fairness, this is as big a gamble for Gerrard as it is for us (if it happens).
Got to trust the owners who have shown 100% commitment so far.
Yeah this is a fair summary - Hell do his best wouldn’t be my first choice but the list of candidates is probably a reminder of where we are.
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I see Stan Collymore seems to suggest it’s all done and wrapped up.
He also said ratboy was signing a new contract.
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Yeah think you have to back him if he gets the job whatever the reservations. He'll get the Brighton game to prove me wrong. Maybe December at a push.
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He’s won one trophy of nine available since he went to Rangers. If he wins one trophy with us he will be a legend. Up there that’s a failure.
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I dont see how it would have anything to do with Liverpool. If Terry, Mr Chelsea, can play one season and be a coach here and love us, then why not Gerrard? If Stevie La is successful, then just imagine how under and into his skin we will become.
It's easier to name those who don't fall madly in love with us than those who do.
FWIW saw this 'theory' put forward on the Rangers site by one of its 'well-known' posters which is at least novel if a tad unbelievable.
Mate down here in Wales is an agent, spoke to him just now and he reckons it was all set up for Gerrard to go at the end of the season but Villa’s league position and Smith sacking brought it forward. Says that the owners of Villa are Liverpool fans and have a huge hard on for SG. They have visions of building a City Group style of global network of clubs and see Gerrard as being central to that. He’s now in the safest seat in the EPL, his mate is his boss and his biggest fan boys write the cheques. He doubts he’s even got it in his head now to join Liverpool, reckons Gerrard will have/get equity in the group.
It does seem beyond credible, but then so does replacing Smith with Gerrard.
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I don’t have anything against him by the way. But I just don’t see on any measurement (like for like which they Scottish league is not) how he’s an upgrade on SDS.
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Well he's an upgrade in profile from Smith. Whether you should choose a manager on that criteria is another question.
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I keep seeing this 1 trophy in 9 as some sort of stick to beat him with
It’s just using a stat unfairly imo
When he first went there Rangers were in the lower reaches little kids playing with a squad as weak as piss
The first requirement was to climb the leagues they weren’t bothered about winning the league cup it was all about survival
Obviously there are big advantages with Rangers but he has done well in the three years he has been there, we always say look where Villa were when Dean Smith came and look at where we are now as some sort of massive achievement well the same can be said of Gerard we are both big clubs When in the lower leagues with the same advantages
Maybe in the last season they had a better chance of winning cups but then they stoped Celtic winning the league for the first time in 10 years so it wasn’t too bad
Anyway I think it’s a shitty stupid stat to use against him when you look at the bigger picture
So there
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He’s won one trophy of nine available since he went to Rangers.
His win rate at Rangers is currently lower than Mark Warburton’s and Ally McCoist’s. Purslow may well know something that we don’t but this looks like a massive high stakes gamble to me. I would also imagine that Gerrard will want significant funds in January? I’m quite concerned.
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Like I have said, I think a lot of it is they needed a new face to replace Joe
It seems to lack ambition to me, but there is a lot that makes sense, as kind of a continuity appointment, it doesn't look like he's going to rip up everything / throw the baby out of the bathwater and that's probably about right
I have no idea if he is any good - hes not done a bad job at rangers, but its a huge jump. It does sound like his backroom staff are good so we'll see.
Of course, ill support him, I just hope he is held to the same standards as Dean would be at doesn't get an easy ride just because he is Liverpools Stevie G, a celeb and Purslows mate.
Most people seem to think he's a coup for us - think that is probably more because of the narrative they have been feed
Apparently he'll get a big budget - not sure how I feel about that - as his success is a bit mixed from what I have read and really we should have used that money in the summer as we went in with a poorly balanced squad.
He'll probably get a bounce from the players, and a different approach can help. I think he'll benefit most if he gets a fully fit squad for an extended period
Think he needs 12th+ this season, 8th+ for me to think this is a success.
I don't think he seems massively likeable. In an age when most people involved in football are twats, it was nice having Dean there.
If this doesn't work, Purslow has to go, as I truly believe there are better coaches out there and this is driven by his commerical/vanity side.
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He’s won one trophy of nine available since he went to Rangers.
His win rate at Rangers is currently lower than Mark Warburton’s and Ally McCoist’s. Purslow may well know something that we don’t but this looks like a massive high stakes gamble to me. I would also imagine that Gerrard will want significant funds in January? I’m quite concerned.
I'm also worried. But Rangers were in the lower leagues when McCoist and Warburton were managing them.
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I think we all need to calm down
So he has made mistakes in his life who has nt had the odd punch up in a pub this is nothing new to most of us me included
Gerrard if appointed will raise the profile of our club massively world wide and maybe that us what the owners want
I was in cyprus recently and there is a bar just outside limassol called Gerrards it must have been a sign that he will be our new manager
We gave Mcleish a chance to prove if he was good enough to be the VILLA manager we can surely give Gerrard a chance
We all don't want to see Villa relegated so we should all want whoever the new manager is to do well
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One thing that gerrard will bring is aggression. Something our team is absolutely failing at. Too nice and soft. I expect this to be addressed within the next few months
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I’ve seen it mentioned a few times that he’s going to have a “big budget”. I wonder how that’s going to play out with the crop of good youngsters we’ve got coming through especially bearing in mind our big spend last summer.
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I'm at the standing with my arms folded, sour look on my face, saying 'go on then, impress me', stage.
Whilst I also agree with Risso that I am now somewhere between 4-5 in stages of grief….
I also entirely think this is me, & I know, beyond all doubt, that the picture I now have in my head of Jane standing next to me in The Holte on the 20th is entirely accurate too! Absolutely this!
Nonetheless, as it now seems inevitable, I really hope that we will be singing happy birthday to him in a non sarcastic way come next May, because that’ll mean it’s gone very well indeed.
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For some reason, I genuinely can’t see him being in charge beyond the end of the season. I have a nasty feeling he will be more Billy Bingo than Ron Saunders.
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He’s won one trophy of nine available since he went to Rangers.
His win rate at Rangers is currently lower than Mark Warburton’s and Ally McCoist’s. Purslow may well know something that we don’t but this looks like a massive high stakes gamble to me. I would also imagine that Gerrard will want significant funds in January? I’m quite concerned.
I hope he has been promised significant funds. Having Gerrard without the money to back him is a bit pointless. We've got to hope for a new manager bounce because with Brighton, City, Leicester and Liverpool coming up it could look a bit bleak by mid-december
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Being reported as a done deal now - 2.5 year contract.
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I’ve seen it mentioned a few times that he’s going to have a “big budget”. I wonder how that’s going to play out with the crop of good youngsters we’ve got coming through especially bearing in mind our big spend last summer.
I know what you mean, but if we're buying better players than we've got (in the first team) I don't see that as a problem.
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Can you really see him taking it without being promised a huge budget. I can't.
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And maybe, just maybe, he will help the club act like a big club again. I'm feeling more positive than before about it all.
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Sing Happy Birthday to Steven Gerrard? I would bite off my own tongue first.
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Just come on a sky sports news expected in the next 48 hours. Noticeable straight away? His length of contract runs until the same time as his rangers one. Which happens to be the same time klopps expires
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Living up here I tend to follow Scottish footy a lot more closely as Carlisle has many Celtic and Ranger followers so can say this, Steve G has transformed Rangers back into serious competition for Celtic again which is no mean feat.
I'm not saying he's going to be a success here or not, but he will definitely raise the profile of the club and will bring (along with Gary Mc) much needed input into our weak as piss midfield.
The fact that I'm pretty much in hiding from four or five of my Rangers loving mates shows that he must of had something as they want to kick my head in presently!
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Well if its on ssn thats it then
Welcome steven to our great club. Please bring us a trophy 😁
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Just come on a sky sports news expected in the next 48 hours. Noticeable straight away? His length of contract runs until the same time as his rangers one. Which happens to be the same time klopps expires
I noticed that - but then thought I was just overthinking it
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Sing Happy Birthday to Steven Gerrard? I would bite off my own tongue first.
If it was at the end of May it would be when he was carrying the FA Cup so I wouldn’t be so sure about that!
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Being reported as a done deal now - 2.5 year contract.
To conveniently coincide with Klopp contract end. Not that I’m a cynic no Sireeeee.
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I don’t have anything against him by the way. But I just don’t see on any measurement (like for like which they Scottish league is not) how he’s an upgrade on SDS.
We just don't know. Of course it's a gambe, but so would Fonseca and Favre have been. There's plenty of bright foreign managers who haven't cut it in the PL. I think the only safe option would have been Potter, but then we still don't know how far he would have been able to take us or if the pressure of a club our size could have been a problem.
What we do know is Smith has struggled for results for some time. Most (non-anti Rangers fans) would say Gerrard has done well in Scotland. The one trophy out of 9 is a humeous tag line but given where they've been in the last 10 years most commentaters seem to think he's been impressive, as do the Rangers fans themselves which is always an acid test. I'm a bit underwhelmed and would have loved us to make a real statement, but the reality is we're just not in a position to attract the Ten Hags at the moment In fact I don't think he would leave for anybody at the moment which is my guess on why Ole is still at the wheel. I also think it's less of a gamble than the likes of Kasper Hjulmand, which seemed like a crazy link.
Not my choice, not blown away but I'm now looking forward to see what he can do.
As for all the personal hatred, that's shocked mne a bit. A lot is clearly driven by his Rangers connection, which I find a bit disturbing tbh. But he has never struck me as one of the bad guys in English football, quite the opposite really he's always seemed pretty impressive to me.
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Positives - er, I'm struggling if I'm honest other than the departure of the old backroom staff and the fact that anything that fucks up Sevco is good news. I suppose he's been successful so far in his managerial career. And he's in with time before the next game.
Negatives - It's Steven Gerrard and the media/Liverpool thing will grate. He has no PL experience, but then neither did Smith. He doesn't feel like an upgrade on Smith, I don't think the fans are especially sold on him and it does smack of a Purslow's mate sort of appointment.
Of course he deserves a chance but I think the pressure will be on Purslow more than anyone else if this doesn't work and in terms of patience, I don't think we have ever been blessed with that really, a Villa connection increases it, A Liverpool one will greatly reduce it.
In summary, it needs to work quickly or it will collapse even quicker.
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I don’t have anything against him by the way. But I just don’t see on any measurement (like for like which they Scottish league is not) how he’s an upgrade on SDS.
We just don't know. Of course it's a gambe, but so would Fonseca and Favre have been. There's plenty of bright foreign managers who haven't cut it in the PL. I think the only safe option would have been Potter, but then we still don't know how far he would have been able to take us or if the pressure of a club our size could have been a problem.
What we do know is Smith has struggled for results for some time. Most (non-anti Rangers fans) would say Gerrard has done well in Scotland. The one trophy out of 9 is a humeous tag line but given where they've been in the last 10 years most commentaters seem to think he's been impressive, as do the Rangers fans themselves which is always an acid test. I'm a bit underwhelmed and would have loved us to make a real statement, but the reality is we're just not in a position to attract the Ten Hags at the moment In fact I don't think he would leave for anybody at the moment which is my guess on why Ole is still at the wheel. I also think it's less of a gamble than the likes of Kasper Hjulmand, which seemed like a crazy link.
Not my choice, not blown away but I'm now looking forward to see what he can do.
As for all the personal hatred, that's shocked mne a bit. A lot is clearly driven by his Rangers connection, which I find a bit disturbing tbh. But he has never struck me as one of the bad guys in English football, quite the opposite really he's always seemed pretty impressive to me.
Never liked him, but it’s nothing to do with the Rangers connection. If it was that I’d absolutely hate him. Vile club - the worst in the world I’d say.
I find it disturbing if people DON’T hate them.
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As for all the personal hatred, that's shocked mne a bit. A lot is clearly driven by his Rangers connection, which I find a bit disturbing tbh. But he has never struck me as one of the bad guys in English football, quite the opposite really he's always seemed pretty impressive to me.
The personal dislike (hate is a bit strong) is about him being shit for England, being arrogant and unpleasant, a cheat, a thug who allegedly will happily pay people off and of course because of the incessant fawning by the media.
He's clearly passionate and wants to win, but he's unproven. Who knows what he'll do and how he'll be. Maybe he'll declare that he's always loved playing at Villa Park, it's a big club, and he wants to bring glory back.
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Positives - er, I'm struggling if I'm honest other than the departure of the old backroom staff and the fact that anything that fucks up Sevco is good news. I suppose he's been successful so far in his managerial career. And he's in with time before the next game.
Negatives - It's Steven Gerrard and the media/Liverpool thing will grate. He has no PL experience, but then neither did Smith. He doesn't feel like an upgrade on Smith, I don't think the fans are especially sold on him and it does smack of a Purslow's mate sort of appointment.
Of course he deserves a chance but I think the pressure will be on Purslow more than anyone else if this doesn't work and in terms of patience, I don't think we have ever been blessed with that really, a Villa connection increases it, A Liverpool one will greatly reduce it.
In summary, it needs to work quickly or it will collapse even quicker.
This!
Though your negatives are likely to send a few delicate souls over the edge
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What this about paying people off? For what?
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Sounds like the sort of thing one shouldn't be committing to print without indemnity insurance.
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As for all the personal hatred, that's shocked mne a bit. A lot is clearly driven by his Rangers connection, which I find a bit disturbing tbh. But he has never struck me as one of the bad guys in English football, quite the opposite really he's always seemed pretty impressive to me.
The personal dislike (hate is a bit strong) is about him being shit for England, being arrogant and unpleasant, a cheat, a thug who happily will pay people off and of course because of the incessant fawning by the media.
He's clearly passionate and wants to win, but he's unproven. Who knows what he'll do and how he'll be. Maybe he'll declare that he's always loved playing at Villa Park, it's a big club, and he wants to bring glory back.
I'd be amazed if those exact words, or at least words to the effect, aren't uttered in the press conference.
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What this about paying people off? For what?
I'm guessing it's about the DJ who he twatted after the bloke wound him up all night.
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What this about paying people off? For what?
I've put allegedly now, thanks, because that was the allegation in relation to the DJ incident.
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It's the owners money. They do as they please. We are not run by consensus but I don't like the man. Never will. That takes some of the enjoyment away for me.
Think that's where I am as well. I won't like him, and won't like that he's our manager, but if wins us games then that's what matters.
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The personal dislike (hate is a bit strong) is about him being shit for England, being arrogant and unpleasant, a cheat, a thug who happily will pay people off and of course because of the incessant fawning by the media.
He's clearly passionate and wants to win, but he's unproven. Who knows what he'll do and how he'll be. Maybe he'll declare that he's always loved playing at Villa Park, it's a big club, and he wants to bring glory back.
I'd be amazed if those exact words, or at least words to the effect, aren't uttered in the press conference.
...and it’s his club in his adopted city... yeah yeah we’ve heard it all before.
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But fans lap it up. If they don't say stuff like this they get stick, so really it's daft to give them stick when they do. They HAVE to.
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What this about paying people off? For what?
I've put allegedly now, thanks, because that was the allegation in relation to the DJ incident.
I thought you were on about when he had to pay various gangsters to get other gangsters off his back when he tried to move to Chelsea. Allegedly.
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I think it's an exciting new era for the Club.
He will no doubt raise our profile as he is a big name in the game and I think that's what the owners have looked at. Attracting players should also be easier
Let's hopenhe can sort that midfield out and make us more aggressive
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I just hope the interviewer doesn't ask stupid questions like 'are you excited to walk out at Villa Park' The fuckers spent his whole career and Anfield and Ibrox, he's not going to go weak kneed at VP.
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I just hope the interviewer doesn't ask stupid questions like 'are you excited to walk out at Villa Park' The fuckers spent his whole career and Anfield and Ibrox, he's not going to go weak kneed at VP.
Isn't it Jack Woodward still? If so, he asks exactly the same questions every time, doesn't he?
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What this about paying people off? For what?
I've put allegedly now, thanks, because that was the allegation in relation to the DJ incident.
I thought you were on about when he had to pay various gangsters to get other gangsters off his back when he tried to move to Chelsea. Allegedly.
How many times have you been told about libel?
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Think Stevie Me will be a bit more diplomatic with the Liverpool thing than people give him credit for. Don't think he'll make a bellend of himself like Houllier. He'd better not anyway because the press will be shoehorning Liverpool into every question they ask him.
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I just hope the interviewer doesn't ask stupid questions like 'are you excited to walk out at Villa Park' The fuckers spent his whole career and Anfield and Ibrox, he's not going to go weak kneed at VP.
Isn't it Jack Woodward still? If so, he asks exactly the same questions every time, doesn't he?
They mix it up now I think but yes, always the same questions and it gets cringey when you get players like Ings and all they want him to say is how excited he is by Villa Park. He's not joining from Wrexham.
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What this about paying people off? For what?
I've put allegedly now, thanks, because that was the allegation in relation to the DJ incident.
I thought you were on about when he had to pay various gangsters to get other gangsters off his back when he tried to move to Chelsea. Allegedly.
How many times have you been told about libel?
I said allegedly like Drummond. Apologies but its all over the Internet and has been for donkey's years.
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Nothing to see here.
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I just hope the interviewer doesn't ask stupid questions like 'are you excited to walk out at Villa Park' The fuckers spent his whole career and Anfield and Ibrox, he's not going to go weak kneed at VP.
Isn't it Jack Woodward still? If so, he asks exactly the same questions every time, doesn't he?
They mix it up now I think but yes, always the same questions and it gets cringey when you get players like Ings and all they want him to say is how excited he is by Villa Park. He's not joining from Wrexham.
I know, he's like our own in-house Partridge.
"So tell me Stevie, are you looking forward to getting the players together and the balls out at Bodymoor?"
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Ha!
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Confirmed on official site
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Welcome Steven Gerrard!
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fecking hell. Ah well. fear the worst and its unlikely to be that bad. Hopefully.
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Well. Good luck Mr. Gerrard.
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Welcome to the Villa, Steven!
Be good, please. First of all, sort out those players at BMH. Second, no bullshit to the media, etc when we go to Anfield soon. Third, win the FA Cup for us!
Thank you!