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Title: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 10:35:22 PM
The future is bright.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2021, 10:36:32 PM
I mean I know it’s only Barrow but Jeez Cameron Bidace and Chuck look the real deal to me.  Frightening pace and skill.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2021, 10:39:15 PM
We wheeled our wheelbarrow
Through streets broad and narrow
Crying *clap-clap clap-clap-clap clap-clap-clap* VILLA !


*Poor Molly Malone surely did suffer from the clap at one stage or another given her reported profession
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2021, 10:41:14 PM
The kids are alright.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2021, 10:47:53 PM
Well done the Villa kids, commiserations to CDBWF's third team.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 10:50:04 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12389792/the-cheekiest-panenka-ever
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 24, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 10:54:52 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12389861/barrow-0-6-aston-villa
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 10:56:17 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12389881/archer-in-dreamland-after-villa-debut-hat-trick
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2021, 10:58:40 PM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.
Louie Barry, born 2003
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 10:58:59 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12389910/archer-has-deserved-this-moment
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: nordenvillain on August 24, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.
Ahem - Louie Barry v Liverpool FA Cup ?
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
Well done  Villa boys. A thoroughly professional performance.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2021, 11:05:18 PM
Oh just seen the stats. Not a single corner in entire 90 minutes absolutely disgraceful.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 24, 2021, 11:07:13 PM
Oh, the assist for that last goal was a bit special, wasn’t it!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 24, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
Think Archer did far more than Wesley would have done. Lot pacier too.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 24, 2021, 11:08:03 PM
Great performance. Reminded me of watching the youth team demolishing teams in the cup last year, and further evidence we have a 'golden generation' on our hands. Special mention for the final goal, that assist from Philogene-Bidace was absolutely filthy, Iniesta-like. After a lung busting run from inside his own half at the end of the game too. And of course what a moment for Archer to put it away. The smile on Deano's face said it all.



Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12389881/archer-in-dreamland-after-villa-debut-hat-trick

You were 6, Cam.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 11:09:57 PM
Think Archer did far more than Wesley would have done. Lot pacier too.

Definitely.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.

No. That was Louie Barry.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 24, 2021, 11:16:08 PM
How did Guilbert get on?
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2021, 11:17:47 PM
Played well enough. Set one up with a really good cross and got forward to hammer one home. I hope we keep him around.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 24, 2021, 11:24:45 PM
Six of the 14 who played are under 20 which shows the investment in the academy is beginning to bear fruit.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdward on August 24, 2021, 11:33:24 PM
Oh just seen the stats. Not a single corner in entire 90 minutes absolutely disgraceful.
Typical Villa, wasting money on a set piece specialist coach…😉
Great performances by the youngsters. I hope we get another lower league draw and give them more game time.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2021, 11:36:44 PM
https://fb.watch/7Bbq7D_phu/
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 24, 2021, 11:40:15 PM
I suspect the phones will be going bonkers in the morning with clubs desperate to get a few of our youngsters on loan off the back of that performance, every single one of them played well and looked too good for league 2.

I’ll be really interested to see who Dean decides to keep around the first team, and who goes out on loan, because I’d be happy seeing all of them on the bench in the premier league!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 25, 2021, 12:01:01 AM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.
Louie Barry, born 2003

Yes of course
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 25, 2021, 12:02:40 AM
Definitely the first hat-trick!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
Great performance and very proud of the youth. Chuffed for Legion, Archer and his family.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2021, 02:26:46 AM
Well, that was entirely satisfactory wasn’t it. These ties are, in the main,  a complete no-win - lose and you get ridiculed, win and it’s only what should be expected - but to win in style with some shining performances from our next generation is about as well as it could have gone. The standout with Bidace, Chuck and now Archer is how at ease they seem in the first team. Encouraging.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2021, 06:50:53 AM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2021, 07:20:23 AM
Have you watched a lot of their careers to date?
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 25, 2021, 07:22:05 AM
That’s the spirit Sid.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 25, 2021, 07:39:44 AM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.

Both he and Louie Barry were born after I started working....
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 25, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
I suspect the phones will be going bonkers in the morning with clubs desperate to get a few of our youngsters on loan off the back of that performance, every single one of them played well and looked too good for league 2.

I’ll be really interested to see who Dean decides to keep around the first team, and who goes out on loan, because I’d be happy seeing all of them on the bench in the premier league!

I think the ones going out on loan have gone now, this lot are the ones staying around - Chuck, JPB and JJRamsey are the 1st team squad earmarks for this season and the others in the U23s.  I'll say this though, Aaron Ramsey to me looked the best of the lot, he made ground with a dribble or drew a clattering every time he got the ball in tight situations.  Reminded me of that greasy diving twat we used to have.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 25, 2021, 07:59:59 AM
And, props to El Ghazi and Hourihane - exceptional leadership and gave the young 'uns the platform to play on.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 25, 2021, 08:29:02 AM
And, props to El Ghazi and Hourihane - exceptional leadership and gave the young 'uns the platform to play on.

Yep they were excellent, set very good examples.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 25, 2021, 08:33:20 AM
Absolutely superb performance by the youngsters. really enjoyed watching that.

Good to see Hourihane captain the Team. Great player for the Cups and worth keeping   
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 09:07:29 AM
But we might get knocked out in the next round? I think CH is best served moving on if at all possible for the benefit of his career.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2021, 09:18:24 AM
It's always a biased world when it comes to football headlines. Skys sports News are headlining our win and raving about Cameron's hattrick  and almost nothing about Norwich's 6-0 win. I am sure if Manure of Shitty had won 6-0 last night they wouldn't even mention us.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2021, 09:19:42 AM
But we might get knocked out in the next round? I think CH is best served moving on if at all possible for the benefit of his career.
Yes but....his wages would be an issue so it is likely he will see out his contract here.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 25, 2021, 09:26:17 AM
Grealish was not a walk up starter he went out on loan. It's impossible at this stage to say how good they will be, the step up to the firsts is massive and for some they need time to adjust to the speed, with luck one or two will be very good players for us.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2021, 09:33:22 AM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1

Good to see you enjoying the moment 🤣🤣🤣

Obviously not everyone will make it at Villa but at this point you have to say Chukwuemeka, Philagene-Bidace, Ramsey x 2, Barry, Kessler, Archer after the brilliant kick start to his Villa career last night & Young have made a case to a future here.  Personally on what seen so far Chrisene is the one who actually excites me the most.  The future is in their own hands, if they get loan or first team opportunities they have to take them & more importantly they need the right people behind them advising them on their career path not the £’s.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Scratchins on August 25, 2021, 09:39:39 AM
I think I'm right in saying Cam has the honour of being the first player, born this century, to score for Villa.

Both he and Louie Barry were born after I started working....

If that makes you feel old just wait until players were born after you had retired. :-[
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 25, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
Cracking trip yesterday, nice compact little ground, great surface to play football on and nice weather and a lovely sunset to admire.

It was a thoroughly professional performance last night with the more experienced bunch in defence and  midfield with some young bucks thrown in for good measure. We passed the ball crisply and for the most part accurately. Scores on the doors:

Steer - 7 not much to do but one mishandled up and under aside comfortable.
Guilbert - 7 seems to be the forgotten man, his passing and play in the first half was sloppy but picked up second half and was better until there no 3 decided he’d try to kick him into next week.
Tuanzebe - 7 dealt well with a tricky player but looked a bit suspect under the high ball. Overall though passed it well.
Hause - 7 commanding and dealt with most things comfortably enough.
Targett - 7 obviously coming back to fitness but a solid performance
Nakamba - 6 great hustle bustle and tackling but really not at the races when it comes to creative passing and progression. Tidy enough.
Hourihane - 7.5 very good last night, combative and creative.
JPB - 7.5 very good, the pass for Archers third was “chefs kiss”.
Chukwemeka Minor - 6.5 I felt he was a bit quiet first half and was being marked tightly by their DM so didn’t from my vantage seem to do too much. Seemed to up it in the 2nd half and was more influential. Lovely footwork. Could have been my vantage point though, may have seemed more involved on the telly.
El Ghazi - 8 - played well and caused problems all night.
Archer - 8.5 MOTM. Hatrick, incisive, chased lost causes, running off the ball, hold up play was good despite playing against usual clogging league 2 players. Very very impressed.

Subs
Linley - 7 looked composed and comfortable with an eye for a pass.
Chukwemeka Major - 7 pleasantly surprised at how good he was, turn of pace, good control and not afraid of the physical stuff.
Ramsey Minor - 7 lovely touch and passing range and vision.

Smith 8 - spot on

Top night out and bring on the 3rd round.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 25, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1

Good to see you enjoying the moment 🤣🤣🤣

Obviously not everyone will make it at Villa but at this point you have to say Chukwuemeka, Philagene-Bidace, Ramsey x 2, Barry, Kessler, Archer after the brilliant kick start to his Villa career last night & Young have made a case to a future here.  Personally on what seen so far Chrisene is the one who actually excites me the most.  The future is in their own hands, if they get loan or first team opportunities they have to take them & more importantly they need the right people behind them advising them on their career path not the £’s.

I have to confess that I was a little worried when I saw the lineup (and bench) last night, but Dean has clearly got an awful lot of faith in these kids and you can see why. I appreciate the caution when it comes to getting too excited about young players - we have seen so many 'promising' players come through the youth team but it's so rare that they become first team players. This group does feel different though. The sheer number of quality players at that level, that we have genuine high hopes for, surely puts the odds in our favour. Of course, there are plenty that won't make it - all it takes is a couple of bad injuries (remember when Gary Gardner was going to be the next big thing?), an attitude problem or just not growing enough physically and they could struggle. But every player you mention there has got a really good chance of making it, and if two or three of them actually do become first team regulars it will be one of the most successful youth teams in our history.

We're doing things the right way - playing them in a higher age group, integrating them into the first team squad and shipping them out to get first team football. We're giving them all the best opportunity possible, and the rest is up to them.

Incidentally, and this may have been mentioned elsewhere, but the team selection last night is looking like a stroke of genius. Not only did we get the win, with plenty of first team experience for our kids, but we've also shown every 15/16/17 year old in the country that if you come to Villa, and you're good enough, you will get chances to play with the first team.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 25, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
Not sure why we need to get hung up about who will make it and who wont. Last night a team took the field wearing Claret and Blue and did the represented the club brilliantly. There were some excellent performances out there from both seniors and youth sometimes under quite a lot of physical hostility. The destination is important but so is enjoying the journey. UTV.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2021, 11:09:46 AM
Not sure why we need to get hung up about who will make it and who wont. Last night a team took the field wearing Claret and Blue and did the represented the club brilliantly. There were some excellent performances out there from both seniors and youth sometimes under quite a lot of physical hostility. The destination is important but so is enjoying the journey. UTV.

I'm in uncharted territory here, but I agree with ChicagoLion.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: lordmcgrath5 on August 25, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
Not sure why we need to get hung up about who will make it and who wont. Last night a team took the field wearing Claret and Blue and did the represented the club brilliantly. There were some excellent performances out there from both seniors and youth sometimes under quite a lot of physical hostility. The destination is important but so is enjoying the journey. UTV.

Spot on in every respect
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 25, 2021, 11:37:27 AM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12389861/barrow-0-6-aston-villa
You must be proud mate having sung his praise since he was out of nappies. That 6th goal was a wonder pass and move. Cameron will find it much harder with better opposition, but like the others-seems ready for the challenge. One thing you can say about all of them; they love to play football.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 25, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1
That's called confidence. He had a great game.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2021, 11:41:44 AM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1

Good to see you enjoying the moment 🤣🤣🤣

Obviously not everyone will make it at Villa but at this point you have to say Chukwuemeka, Philagene-Bidace, Ramsey x 2, Barry, Kessler, Archer after the brilliant kick start to his Villa career last night & Young have made a case to a future here.  Personally on what seen so far Chrisene is the one who actually excites me the most.  The future is in their own hands, if they get loan or first team opportunities they have to take them & more importantly they need the right people behind them advising them on their career path not the £’s.

I have to confess that I was a little worried when I saw the lineup (and bench) last night, but Dean has clearly got an awful lot of faith in these kids and you can see why. I appreciate the caution when it comes to getting too excited about young players - we have seen so many 'promising' players come through the youth team but it's so rare that they become first team players. This group does feel different though. The sheer number of quality players at that level, that we have genuine high hopes for, surely puts the odds in our favour. Of course, there are plenty that won't make it - all it takes is a couple of bad injuries (remember when Gary Gardner was going to be the next big thing?), an attitude problem or just not growing enough physically and they could struggle. But every player you mention there has got a really good chance of making it, and if two or three of them actually do become first team regulars it will be one of the most successful youth teams in our history.

We're doing things the right way - playing them in a higher age group, integrating them into the first team squad and shipping them out to get first team football. We're giving them all the best opportunity possible, and the rest is up to them.

Incidentally, and this may have been mentioned elsewhere, but the team selection last night is looking like a stroke of genius. Not only did we get the win, with plenty of first team experience for our kids, but we've also shown every 15/16/17 year old in the country that if you come to Villa, and you're good enough, you will get chances to play with the first team.

Think that's where MON made a big mistake back in the day. Replacing the likes of Cahill and Davis with more experienced journeymen. Seeing youth players getting through to the first team can really energise an entire club. It's something Ferguson did well, even with the likes of Fletcher, Brown and O'Shea. Smith has also done well in giving the likes of Jacob Ramsey a path into the first team squad over the likes of Hourihane who had done very well for us. Imagine the boost last night will have done for our entire youth setup.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 25, 2021, 11:42:10 AM
Not sure why we need to get hung up about who will make it and who wont. Last night a team took the field wearing Claret and Blue and did the represented the club brilliantly. There were some excellent performances out there from both seniors and youth sometimes under quite a lot of physical hostility. The destination is important but so is enjoying the journey. UTV.

Spot on in every respect
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and maybe, just maybe we have a class of 92 type scenario, i will now go wash for mentioning them
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: algy on August 25, 2021, 11:42:55 AM
Incidentally, and this may have been mentioned elsewhere, but the team selection last night is looking like a stroke of genius. Not only did we get the win, with plenty of first team experience for our kids, but we've also shown every 15/16/17 year old in the country that if you come to Villa, and you're good enough, you will get chances to play with the first team.
Yeah, I think you're bang on there.  It's something I'd hoped we'd do.  You want it - as you'd said - that when you're approaching 15/16/17 year old prospects you can show them there's a clear path in to the first team - from making their debut, to starting to establish themselves, through to being one of the first names on the team sheet.

If we can do that, and get in to Europe, you can sell them the whole farm-to-fork type dream.  If they sign for Villa at 15, they'll be given the best coaching, and if they impress they'll be making their debut at 18, establishing themselves in the first team squad by the time they're 20, and potentially be playing regular football in the Premier League and across Europe by the time they hit their early 20s.  And then hopefully go on to play for England, or whatever their ambition happens to be.

Not sure why we need to get hung up about who will make it and who wont. Last night a team took the field wearing Claret and Blue and did the represented the club brilliantly. There were some excellent performances out there from both seniors and youth sometimes under quite a lot of physical hostility. The destination is important but so is enjoying the journey. UTV.

I'm in uncharted territory here, but I agree with ChicagoLion.
Spot on.

Half of this is probably just because I'm a Villa supporter, so coloured by our level of success.  But I think we're really lucky to support a club who might win stuff, but mostly don't.  The thing people actually enjoy is the anticipation.  It's the hours, days, weeks, months, years spent daydreaming.  It's the fact that you know deep down that it probably won't happen, but there's the slight chance that it might.  It's the decades of it going wrong, but you just know that this time it's going to go right.

So yeah, the chances of us having 4 or 5 youth team players break through within a couple of years is low.  We all know that.  But it's the dream/hope that it might happen this time.  Just enjoy the possibility, have a bit of a daydream about the time a brummie Villa supporter finally lifts the European Cup (again) as captain.  I thought maybe we had one of those recently, but weirdly he's decided to go be a clothes model in Manchester instead.  Still, it's of no consequence - we're winning the European Cup anyway and if he'd rather another Birmingham-born Villa fan lift it instead, that's OK.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 25, 2021, 12:52:34 PM
Well that was good, low anxiety/tension fun.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 25, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
Well that was good, low anxiety/tension fun.

Easy for you to say, but not so much when your £5 33/1 bet builder is in mortal danger from a dreaded consolation goal and Barrow go and get a late throw-in.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: exigo on August 25, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
Lovely away trip, even with eight and half hours on a train there and back.
Had to pick up a duplicate ticket from the club reception, and it was really good to see the club shop doing a roaring trade – too many of the kids around the ground were wearing Man U shirts, so hope at least a few have picked up the bug for their local team.
All very easy-going in town, and loads of locals who were impressed with the Villa youth.
Comfortably one of the weirdest away ends out there – with the side bit of terrace where you come in, then a block of seats, with another block of terracing just inside the penalty area. And special mention to the roof they built last year, which somehow still manages to have the most amount of pillars of any structure known to man.
It's also not every day you get the half time entertainment of a bloke up a ladder trying to re-affix a tube light – left hanging after being walloped by a wayward Barrow shot in the first half.
Checking out of the hotel this morning, all the guy on reception wanted to talk about was that through ball for our sixth – absolute peach of a pass, without looking, that left three defenders wondering what day it was. The future is very definitely bright.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 25, 2021, 01:27:06 PM
You could say that our first team, 'B' team and youth team won 2-0, 6-0 and 10-0 respectively in the last 4 days. Bodymoor Heath must be buzzing this morning.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 25, 2021, 01:27:16 PM
Good to see Guilbert get a game. I may be in a minority but I think he’s a good player. He had a real rough patch before lockdown when the defence was conceding two a game but has generally done ok for us. He’s probably the best overlapping full back we have, although Cash is a better defender. Not that much in it though.

Just looks like Smith doesn’t rate him unfortunately.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 01:31:30 PM
I've just found out that my neighbour was the fourth official last night! Can't remember seeing him, ovbiously, but then I wasn't looking for him.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 25, 2021, 01:41:56 PM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1
That's called confidence. He had a great game.

I totally agree.  A great prospect.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 25, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Excellent day out.

Travelled up from Oldham with BorderVillan.

Had tickets for the Ray Wilkie Stand (the one with Sky cameras on the roof) - bought online from the Barrow online ticket site

Great pre- match beers and scoff sitting in the beer garden at the Bay Horse Hawcoat about a mile and a half  out of
 town.

Decent enough view in line with the penalty box - changed ends at half time so we were at the ends that Villa attacked both halfs.

Top quality pies at h-t.

As the game went on, amused as the home supporters attitude changed from hopeful, to resigned, disconsolate and then angry as they decided that  every that went against them was an injustice and every Villa tackle a blatant foul. (I can recall feeing the same way when we got outclassed in days gone by).

Great sound made by the Villans sqieezed into the away supporters section - easily out shouted the home fans.

A full house should have generated a top atmosphere,  but going 2 down early on put the kibosh on that  and  the home fans didn't really get behind their team. Not surprising - the average attendance is only 1,300, so Iguess that a good two thirds of the home fans were day trippers.

The only downside was the journey home being buggered up by M6 roadworks and closure of the M61.

Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 25, 2021, 02:55:59 PM

The only downside was the journey home being buggered up by M6 roadworks and closure of the M61.

I was expecting worse so was pleasantly surprised at how quickly we  got through all of them. Still home by half midnight so all good.

Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2021, 03:04:09 PM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1
That's called confidence. He had a great game.

I totally agree.  A great prospect.

Of those on show and the cameo on Saturday I think Bidace will be the one pushing for a starting place before long.  He's an excellent prospect.  I love the way he makes room for himself to get a shot on goal.  I was under the impression he was a local lad but see that he comes from London.  Obviously one that Chelsea must have let slip through the net.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on August 25, 2021, 05:49:41 PM
I thought Bidace was selfish at times when he was looking to score a goal instead he should have passed the ball to another player

Chuck did well on the occasions he had the ball, Archer took his goals well (especially the 2nd) but will need to work on his hold up play as a forward

It will be interesting to see how their careers progress - personally I think only Chuck has a long term future with us, the rest will make a decent living in the Championship or Division 1
I think that’s a bit harsh. Looking at them last night and of course against Liverpool and in the Final last season I think it’s fairly obvious that at last we’re doing something right at Bodymoor Heath and several of the players will be in contention during this season and onwards. Game time like last night is important in their development and Smith deserves credit for playing them
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 25, 2021, 06:39:21 PM
Only just noticed that Mark Cooper didn’t even look Dean Smith in the face when shaking hands at the end. 

It’s just engrained in them.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 25, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
Only just noticed that Mark Cooper didn’t even look Dean Smith in the face when shaking hands at the end. 

It’s just engrained in them.
Barrow is a tough place to grow up and work in. By all accounts the fans were really respectful on both sides, he did look a miserable fecker though.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 25, 2021, 07:26:53 PM
Before when we’ve fielded a reserve side in the cup there’s no continuity between the way our first team play and the rest of the reserves or youth sides.

You could see last night we’ve got a similar game plan throughout the whole set-up now, so if a youth, U’23 or fringe player comes into the first team it’s not at all as disjointed as it’s been in the past. Dare I say it, but are we actually really building something quite special here?
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 25, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
The style of play is implemented throughout the Academy at every age level.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 25, 2021, 07:34:55 PM
You can tell. It’s really exciting to believe we finally have a plan/model and we are becoming a very professional team after years of absolute chaos.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2021, 07:38:49 PM
Only just noticed that Mark Cooper didn’t even look Dean Smith in the face when shaking hands at the end. 

It’s just engrained in them.
Barrow is a tough place to grow up and work in. By all accounts the fans were really respectful on both sides, he did look a miserable fecker though.

Probably just pissed of at the result, although I was thinking when he was interviewed before the game, that his dad Terry Cooper, ex Leeds player and blues manager, died last week or the week before.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 25, 2021, 08:00:30 PM
Only just noticed that Mark Cooper didn’t even look Dean Smith in the face when shaking hands at the end. 

It’s just engrained in them.
Barrow is a tough place to grow up and work in. By all accounts the fans were really respectful on both sides, he did look a miserable fecker though.

No, by “them”, I meant being a “nose”. Nothing to do with Barrow or the people.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2021, 08:18:05 PM
Proper throwback game this. Also probably the only time I've managed to drink a pint while watching football.

The little shed at the back was selling beers right into injury time.

Very comprehensive and professional performance. I think we have some genuine quality coming through. Passed the ball well and we were very clinical. I had a few worries that there was only a pair of first teamers in the squad.

It reminded me of the Odense or Vienna European aways in some respects. Beautiful drive up and then you hit quite possibly the biggest dump I've ever been to that is Barrow. Where pubs don't open on Tuesday nights, where there's hyperdermic needles on the floor outside the library and where fortunately the Spoons was decent enough.

Singing only 2 Chuckwuemekas, adopting the Kolo/Yaya You're song for the Ramsey brothers who were clearly loving it. The sun set, the friendly atmosphere, the novelty. Just a very good away day.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2021, 09:53:20 PM
Proper throwback game this. Also probably the only time I've managed to drink a pint while watching football.

The little shed at the back was selling beers right into injury time.

Very comprehensive and professional performance. I think we have some genuine quality coming through. Passed the ball well and we were very clinical. I had a few worries that there was only a pair of first teamers in the squad.

It reminded me of the Odense or Vienna European aways in some respects. Beautiful drive up and then you hit quite possibly the biggest dump I've ever been to that is Barrow. Where pubs don't open on Tuesday nights, where there's hyperdermic needles on the floor outside the library and where fortunately the Spoons was decent enough.

Singing only 2 Chuckwuemekas, adopting the Kolo/Yaya You're song for the Ramsey brothers who were clearly loving it. The sun set, the friendly atmosphere, the novelty. Just a very good away day.

The polar opposite to that league cup away day at Luton under RDM not too long ago. Likes of Richards not trying a leg and jokers like Okore at CB literally kicking them into the net. That was close enough to rock bottom. Any hint we would quickly bounce back was nailed that day. On paper it wasn't the worst team, the 100m man was playing for example.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 26, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2021/august/260821-aston-villa-donate-their-share-of-carabao-cup-receipts-back-to-barrow-after-second-round-tie/

Classy, classy gesture.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 26, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Only just noticed that Mark Cooper didn’t even look Dean Smith in the face when shaking hands at the end. 

It’s just engrained in them.
Barrow is a tough place to grow up and work in. By all accounts the fans were really respectful on both sides, he did look a miserable fecker though.


No, by “them”, I meant being a “nose”. Nothing to do with Barrow or the people.
Gotcha. Easy to get inferences wrong.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Moonraker on August 26, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
Thats brilliant, makes you proud of the club. The word "class" comes up a lot theses days, doesnt it? Also the Barrow fans forum was full of praise for the fans on the night, and the gesture re the receipts.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 26, 2021, 10:28:27 AM
https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2021/august/260821-aston-villa-donate-their-share-of-carabao-cup-receipts-back-to-barrow-after-second-round-tie/

Classy, classy gesture.

How to win friends for the future.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 26, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2021/august/260821-aston-villa-donate-their-share-of-carabao-cup-receipts-back-to-barrow-after-second-round-tie/

Classy, classy gesture.

Class indeed.
Real quality gesture by AVFC.
Meks yer proud!
UTV!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 26, 2021, 10:57:40 AM
https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2021/august/260821-aston-villa-donate-their-share-of-carabao-cup-receipts-back-to-barrow-after-second-round-tie/

Classy, classy gesture.

How to win friends for the future.

Our neighbours will be wishing they drew us instead of Fulham.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 26, 2021, 11:05:20 AM
The Barrow fans on their forum are speaking extremely highly of us as a club.
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mike Jeffries on August 26, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
"Philippinodoctor1961 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:21 am
After watching there first class performance from mostly youths, and the way the club and fans mingled round town before game
And now they donate the match fee ?
What a fabulous club they are
Thank you to Aston Villa and hope you have a great season"

"Absolutely spot on"

Just a couple of the quotes on Barrow fan forum I can find! Really bloody lovely stuff!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on August 26, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Aston Villa: Doing the right thing since 1874
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 04, 2021, 12:48:07 AM
Efficient performance. Really impressed with JPB and Cam -the latter has really filled out since going out on loan and looks more equipped for the physical battle in the higher levels.

His finishing reminded me a bit of Gary Shaw in his prime, except we never saw GS in his prime, of course!
Title: Re: Barrow vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 04, 2021, 02:00:25 PM
Oh just seen the stats. Not a single corner in entire 90 minutes absolutely disgraceful.

we did have a corner 2nd half the stats are wrong.
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