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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2021, 08:56:05 PM
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A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
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Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.
I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.
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Well done KD.
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Well done Keinan and good to see Wes back on the pitch.
Well done Emi as well.
But frankly the level has been nowhere near good enough for months now.
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More than we were worth, we were truly terrible, but I'm thrilled for Keinan, a goal born of his heart and determination and that he richly, richly deserves.
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How was our 2nd fortunate? It was a typical poacher's goal.
We were poor at times, yet hung in there and got better.
Good subs 😉
Who'd have thought Konsa would cost us 2 goals?
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Why? We could have been better with the final ball, but we created a good number of chances. Watkins and Davis should have scored. Well worth the point.
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Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.
I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.
Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.
I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.
Exactly this. I thought we played well. A dodgy penalty and a slip by Konsa, yet the match thread goes into meltdown. There was even a few Smith out posts. What a joke!!
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Dean Smith totally frustrates me, he gives Davis just ten minutes and again he changes the game, when will he give him a proper run? we were a different side once the subs came on but by then the game was nearly over.
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Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.
I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.
Well said!
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I have so much admiration for Ollie - worked his socks off, great assist, always smile on his face. Good to see the other strikers on.
McGinn - very dissapointing
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70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?
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Don’t think we were “jammy” at all.
Really pleased for KD, deserves a start now, he’s certainly saved Dean from a shit load of abuse that’s for sure.
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70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?
We were saving the equaliser for causing maximum pain too. We've effectively relegated them.
Haha hahahaha!! Fuck off back to Sandwell you wankers.
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A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
A very fortunate last gasp goal and finishing with a flourish doesn’t change the fact that our performance today and of late has been very poor indeed. Today for 80+ minutes was horrible stuff. We look as good (or as bad) as a side going down
Well done KD on your first PL goal. Been saying for weeks he should start to change up how we play. No doubt he will be benched again next week as we revert to the same old system.
I doubt that a side going down would have 24 shots with 11 on target. One of the major problems tonight was McGinn, he was poor with his passing and that contributed to our poor performance. How Traore keeps getting picked is beyond me
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
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A home draw with an injury time equaliser against a team that is about to go down.
Really pleased for Keinan. He looked lively when he came on. Nice to hear how pleased he was in his post-match interview.
Let's go 2 up front now though Dean eh? Your tried and tested is not working.
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That is the worst attempt at a quote I think I have ever seen.
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Was disappointed with starting lineup, but didn’t think we played that badly personally - An improvement on recent games imo.
Thought Konsa had one of his worst games for us (but he’s been so good this season, he’s allowed an off day). Effort was there today, just lacked a little cutting edge, and some of McGinn’s passing was hospital at times?!
Pleased that Keinan got his goal, and the increased urgency that created when he came on, only cemented the fact that he should have started.
Will be interesting to see what we do with/where we put Ollie now that we have a little bit of competition up front.
One of those games, where I was confident we wouldn’t lose, and the timing of the equaliser made it all the more sweeter.
“I’tay fair Tom!” 😉
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We’ve now played against two sides that will go down and we dropped to their levels before finding ways to get a goal today and win vs Fulham. We lost to Sheff Utd at their place who at the time were on a really bad run. The stats never tell the full story. We huffed and we puffed. Our keeper today has saved us on numerous occasions. How many big saves did their keeper make? Nobody watching the game will be thinking “wow!! how have we not won that by 4 or 5?”
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
Allardyce's post match interview?
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At least the return of Wesley and a goal for Keinan might do wonders for our attacking options and force Dean to change it around a bit. Gutted we didn’t win but Albion will be feeling much worse right now. Unbeaten in our four derby matches so at least we haven’t had to put up with losing the bragging rights.
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That is the worst attempt at a quote I think I have ever seen.
think the site crashed. Couldn’t handle the traffic
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
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Well fuck me, I thought that was the best we've played for some time. Barkley was nowhere near as bad as I thought he'd be, JM dictated a lot of the play and with the exception of Traore, everyone gave it a go.
All things considered, not bad.
Still we could be where they are....
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Allardyce claiming it wasn't fair because they played on Thursday and we played on Wednesday. Ah diddums
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Lucky is profiting off a slip, aiming a shot 5 yards wide and scoring. Nothing lucky at all, Johnstone made more crucial saves as Martinez and really you'd think Davis in that position off the corner would score and Watkins would too.
I personally thought we played pretty well up to the final third. I think its quite funny that this Albion side now, if in situ in August would probably be mid table.
But you're not. You're 2nd bottom and going down. Hahahahahaha
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(https://i.ibb.co/jLgGbyV/Screenshot-20210425-210930.png) (https://ibb.co/jLgGbyV)
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
Allardyce's post match interview?
If you think so. I don't.
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We were the better side overall, but they had the better chances. If we can’t beat a dire Baggies side then if doesn’t bode very well for the remaining games.
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This is why I stay away from match threads. We’ve battered them in the last 30 mins and deserved the equaliser. I’m all for criticism when it’s due but not today. We have key players missing and are low on confidence. Nothing wrong with today other than with another 5 mins were probably winning it.
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A deserved point overall I thought The first sub was just weird though and he should have bought Davis on earlier than he did.
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I thought we played well until 1-1 and then we controlled the 2nd half. More composure needed. I feel the problems in central midfield are costing us. McGinn has been poor most the season, Luiz been off the boil since Xmas. Barkley? Great first 3 games then nothing. The wide players are too inconsistent. It’ll cost £200m for a whole new midfield which ain’t happening. Need to change system, if Smith even knows how.
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Better than nothing I suppose, but means we are finishing below Leeds and Arsenal which is a bit rubbish considering how well placed we were a few months ago.
Pleased for Keinan.
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Delighted for Keinan Davis. Ramsey also was very sharp when he came in. Great to see Wesley back on the pitch. Thought Targett was outstanding. Martinez kept us in it at times.
On the flip side, we were rancid without the ball throughout. No surprise maybe given the team selection but we were so easy to play through. Konsa won't play as badly again, had a horror show and nearly got an own goal to top it off.
Martinez 8, Elmo 6, Konsa 3, Mings 5, Targett 8, Luiz 5 (Ramsey 7), McGinn 6, Traore 5, Barkley 6 (Davis 8), AEG 7, Watkins 6.
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Gutted for those brave little Baggy boys, and Big Fat Crooked Sam. Just gutted.
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Allardyce claiming it wasn't fair because they played on Thursday and we played on Wednesday. Ah diddums
You just knew what bitter shite he was going to come out with , Lovely ! The guy has a face like a slapped arse when he's happy , glad young Keinan got his first league goal and pissed on Big Sam's chips too boot.
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I quite like the final 5 minute team line up.
More please.
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We were unlucky to concede the 2nd and the 1st was a soft pen.
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We were the better side overall, but they had the better chances. If we can’t beat a dire Baggies side then if doesn’t bode very well for the remaining games.
Your post confuses me.
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Really pleased for Davis. He changed the game at Fulham and did so today,yet many on this forum have done nothing but criticise him when he wasn't even getting game. Funny how so many are complimenting saying he should be playing now. The fact is Smith should have brought him on 20 mins earlier, he really rattled Albion. I worry about Smith. He is stuck in his ways and refuses to change when we need a change. This was a game for Ramsey not the Man City one and I cannot fathom what Barkley did to warrant a start. Davis has deserved a run for a while and gets nothing bit cameos,and dong even get me started on Traore. A poor start to next season and I think Dean's days may be numbered sadly
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Oh and fuck the Albion
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OP is spot on. Lucky as fuck point.
Thank God for Martinez and the tenacity of Davis.
Otherwise, not much else apart from the fact that McGinn nearly gave the ball away every time he passed it.
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Maybe change the thread title?
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A moral victory for the Bitters. Tayfayr.
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OP is spot on. Lucky as fuck point.
Thank God for Martinez and the tenacity of Davis.
Otherwise, not much else apart from the fact that McGinn nearly gave the ball away every time he passed it.
Why are Martinez saves lucky, but theirs not?
How do you have 70% of the ball and nigh on 3x as many shots on target, but end up being lucky as fuck?
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Despite having 24 shots and 11 on target, I am not sure how many of them I thought was going in. I thought we could be playing for another without scoring.
But after being pissed off and cross for 85 mins, what a joy for KD to score
absolutely deserved for the effort he has put in in his short spells on the pitch
Wesley looking bright, maybe we can move on with a positive mood for the rest of the season
Sams face was a picture as he stomped off down the tunnel
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A winnable game vs Everton next. Play KD!!!!!
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So delighted for Keinan (but the goal papers over an awful lot of cracks). Hopefully the first goal of many for him though! Good Wesley is back too.
This surely means now that, if crowds are allowed back into grounds next season, Blues and Albion fans will be singing about us when they play each other! ;D
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Really pleased for Davis, his first goal while not putting the final nail in their coffin has just about sealed the lid.
Hope he goes on in his career to be as prolific as Ronnie Allen.
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We were the better side overall, but they had the better chances. If we can’t beat a dire Baggies side then if doesn’t bode very well for the remaining games.
Your post confuses me.
Crystal clear for me. What confuses you?
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
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Happy for Keinan.
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We were the better side overall, but they had the better chances. If we can’t beat a dire Baggies side then if doesn’t bode very well for the remaining games.
Your post confuses me.
No, I get this.
We may have even deserved to win on the chances and the pressure of the last 20 mins.
However, you have to measure this against the opposition, the chances we conceded unnecessarily, all against a team who are effectively down and whom many on here have derided this season.
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Happy for Keinan.
With a bit of confidence and aggression he could be a useful player. Needs to play further forward facing the goal. Not end up 50 yards from goal with his back to goal like Heskey used to
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Really pleased for Davis, his first goal while not putting the final nail in their coffin has just about sealed the lid.
Hope he goes on in his career to be as prolific as Ronnie Allen.
Wasn't he in Crossroads?
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Ramsey in for Luiz for the rest of the season. Barkley nowhere near the squad from here on in. Serious money on a new midfield is required in summer. The one we’ve got is slow, sloppy and predictable. Albion’s pen was very soft.
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Really pleased for Davis, his first goal while not putting the final nail in their coffin has just about sealed the lid.
Hope he goes on in his career to be as prolific as Ronnie Allen.
Last game of 1959 ! The next season being Div 2 champions was my first full year of addiction.
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First business this summer, in for their man Pereira.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
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First business this summer, in for their man Pereira.
He came across as being the best player on the pitch by a country mile.
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Delighted for Keinan, well deserved goal. He should have been on 10 minutes earlier.
We deserved a draw.
McGinn, Traore & maybe Luiz need to be on the bench next season.
Ramsay looked good & moved things quicker, although Barkley wasn't bad.
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First business this summer, in for their man Pereira.
He came across as being the best player on the pitch by a country mile.
We could offer them El Ghazi in exchange
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Much better 2nd half, delighted for Keinan a poacher's goal, shame Wes didn't score, that would have been something.
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OP is spot on. Lucky as fuck point.
Thank God for Martinez and the tenacity of Davis.
Otherwise, not much else apart from the fact that McGinn nearly gave the ball away every time he passed it.
Why are Martinez saves lucky, but theirs not?
How do you have 70% of the ball and nigh on 3x as many shots on target, but end up being lucky as fuck?
Decent game for me.
Thought we were great second half and deserved at the very least a point.
Albion played like us at the end of last season and like all sides scrapping around at the bottom are dangerous opponents.
Really pleased for Keinan aswell.
And sorry but lots of positives from our second half display.
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You either support Villa or you are wedded to you're own opinion.
If there is one thing I like to prove me wrong it's the team I support.
There's plenty to question, plenty to criticise but my God I'm happy enough tonight.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12287206/last-minute-davis-strike-earns-villa-draw
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Well fuck me, I thought that was the best we've played for some time. Barkley was nowhere near as bad as I thought he'd be, JM dictated a lot of the play and with the exception of Traore, everyone gave it a go.
All things considered, not bad.
Still we could be where they are....
Exactly this. Taking the poor opposition into consideration, but the best we’ve played in weeks. Well worth the point and probably deserved the win, given the fact Davis hit the post a few minutes earlier. If anyone was fortunate it was them with a hugely soft penalty (even softer than ours) and a lucky own goal.
I actually don’t get the negativity tonight.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
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Reminded me of a championship game that, end to end with some very dodgy defending from both.
First half I don't actually think we were that bad. Poor in second half until last 15 minutes when we piled on the pressure again.
Average point, makes getting past 50 much harder.
Many questions the manager must work hard to solve in the summer.
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I am happy with the second half effort and the equaliser but we were mostly ineffective.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
True. But Bruce hadn't spent the amount of cash Smith’s been given
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If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25
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Quite an enjoyable mess tbh, thought it was one of our better recent performances. Delighted for KD.
Ramsey did well and lifted us.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
True. But Bruce hadn't spent the amount of cash Smith’s been given
There's an entire recruitment department that'll tell you Smith doesn't spend the cash.
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No way they should have been awarded that penalty. Ours was soft, but theirs was feather-lite.
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It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
Absolutely this team is miles better than the team Bruce left us.
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First business this summer, in for their man Pereira.
He's a class act. Best player on the pitch this evening by a considerable distance.
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We could offer them El Ghazi in exchange
Well that's one way they can stop him scoring against them.
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There were periods without any structure to our play and we were lucky they did not score a 3rd.
We were better after the subs for a change but should have changed it sooner.
A draw was a fair result.
Both pens were soft.
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With Pereira makes you wonder how nobody figured out just how good he was while at Sporting Lisbon? They have essentially paid around 10m for him (loan and clause triggered for the transfer fee). Bargain, and now worth 3 or 4 times that.
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With Pereira makes you wonder how nobody figured out just how good he was while at Sporting Lisbon? They have essentially paid around 10m for him (loan and clause triggered for the transfer fee). Bargain, and now worth 3 or 4 times that.
There's probably a few clubs thinking the same about Konsa.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
True. But Bruce hadn't spent the amount of cash Smith’s been given
There's an entire recruitment department that'll tell you Smith doesn't spend the cash.
I get that 100% It's not the recruitment teams job to find a way of being able to get a tune out of the team when Jack' out though. That falls at the door of Smith and the coaching team. That we haven't despite what we've spent is damning.
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Wouldn’t fancy our chances right now in a winner takes all super league comprising us, Albion, Sheff Utd and Fulham. This season can’t finish soon enough.
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We got a point in a local derby. It's not ideal, but it's not damning either.
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Wouldn’t fancy our chances right now in a winner takes all super league comprising us, Albion, Sheff Utd and Fulham. This season can’t finish soon enough.
But that's not going to happen, though.
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Wouldn’t fancy our chances right now in a winner takes all super league comprising us, Albion, Sheff Utd and Fulham. This season can’t finish soon enough.
Lucky for us that we're not in one then.
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70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?
Exactly, thought we were better than them all game...they were the Jammy ones with the own goal & the 2/3 similar deflections at the other end that went wide.
How Traore made it beyond half time is a mystery, he hasn’t put in a performance worthy of 5/10 since Jack got injured, needs to be benched ASAP.
Chuffed for Keinan
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Very observant Legion, it was hypothetical
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With Pereira makes you wonder how nobody figured out just how good he was while at Sporting Lisbon? They have essentially paid around 10m for him (loan and clause triggered for the transfer fee). Bargain, and now worth 3 or 4 times that.
There's probably a few clubs thinking the same about Konsa.
Yes fair I get that. Every club has a player they picked up on the cheap who is worth more. With Pereira, like Konsa he really does stand out but there wasn't a line up to get him. Just interesting how players can fall under the radar
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I enjoyed tonight's game, especially the last twenty minutes. Of course I'd be frustrated if we hadn't got the late equaliser, but overall it was one of our better performances of the AGE (Absent Grealish Era).
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We got a point in a local derby. It's not ideal, but it's not damning either.
In the context of our recent run it’s pretty poor.
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Wasn’t the worst match I’ve ever watched and so pleased that Keinan finally got his goal. Hope that with Wesley back, DS goes 4-4-2 as he can start Davis with Watkins and has the backup in Wesley to go with that system. Traore is the obvious candidate to lose out and also, please start Ramsey in place of Barkley.
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Very observant Legion, it was hypothetical
Also irrelevant.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Yes there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch
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I tell you what the negativity on this site is so funny.
It's Molineux Mix levels at times.
A cracking read though!
UTV.
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Wasn’t the worst match I’ve ever watched and so pleased that Keinan finally got his goal. Hope that with Wesley back, DS goes 4-4-2 as he can start Davis with Watkins and has the backup in Wesley to go with that system. Traore is the obvious candidate to lose out and also, please start Ramsey in place of Barkley.
Keep dreaming, ain't gonna happen
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4-4-2 is a dinosaur formation, played only by Sean Dyche and Lee Bowyer. It's not a signal of attacking intent.
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It’s good to have options up front though.
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4-4-2 would get us murdered most weeks. Teams would rip us apart in the midfield. That said I’d like to see some flexibility that enables us to vary our attacking set up.
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If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25
For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.
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It’s good to have options up front though.
Well, yes, but small man-big man was worked out by the time fire was discovered.
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If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25
For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.
Careful. From there 'tis but a small step to wanting to see all the local sides do well.
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The performance was OK for me.
Two terrible mistakes in defence and lack of quality up front is why we didn't win. We created more than enough and looked comfortable. The performance wasn't as bad as they have been the past few months.
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Watched the game with my brother in law. Had a couple of beers and I can honestly say we really enjoyed the game. Ok quality wasn't top drawer but it made for a great spectacle. Just got in and thought I'd check in on H&V. Somehow our experience watching the game seems to be the polar opposite to some of the posters on here. I can't get my head around those posters who have said we were lucky and worse than Bruce ball!! It's been quite surreal reading some of it. I guess this is the place where we can all air our views and it would be really boring if we all agreed on everything. We have effectively put the final nail in the Baggies relegation coffin. That will do for me tonight.
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Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.
I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.
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If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25
For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.
Careful. From there 'tis but a small step to wanting to see all the local sides do well.
Only Walsall. I don't mind them.
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I enjoyed the game, thought overall we played ok. Our shape still isn’t right at times and we do lack the quality we showed in the first half of the season. They had a few spells and also had good chances but we really did dominate the game.
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I don't think i've ever seen two such soft penalties in all my life.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Yes there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch
I don't get harking back to comparisons with Bruce. That was the Championship and the parameters were very different.
However, to say we're were dire then is a bit of a nonsense.
I went to nearly all the games in 2017-18, and admittedly we stumbled at the end, but by and large we played ok and scored freely.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
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Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.
I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.
He was pretty unlucky with the turn and tame shot as well, that was the effort of a guy trying to hard and losing his composure but the movement and touch to create the opening was top drawer.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
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Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.
I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.
He was pretty unlucky with the turn and tame shot as well, that was the effort of a guy trying to hard and losing his composure but the movement and touch to create the opening was top drawer.
He may be one of those people/players that needs that bit of luck or just something to go right to give him belief and confidence in himself and his abilities. It has to have been weighing on him that he’s rarely scored for us and until today never at PL level. So I really hope the manager recognizes it and gives him his opportunity at Everton.
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Only saw last 5 of 1st half and the whole of the 2nd half due to connection issues. Glad of Davis's goal and the re-appearance of Wesley after an horrendous injury. I can put up with losing to sheff utd, but tonight against a sh-te stripey filth side I came to the conclusion that McGinn, Luiz, El Ghazi and Traore are not good enough. Barkley is going and not our problem. The 4 players mentioned have no zip, creativity or penetration. They move the ball too slowly. They provide no leadership and support for Ollie. They were all poor. An upgrade on these 4 players will be needed for us to progress. Konsa's 2 mistakes made it difficult for us (Elmo provided no cover for their 2nd goal, Mings was hesitant I thought). The only good thing about tonight is that last minute goal has effectively relegated the bitters. Cheerio stripey filth! Well done Davis set up by a determined assist by Ollie.
Subs too late by Dean to get the win unfortunately.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Nope to the last question, these errors of judgement are part and parcel of his game. I think the big lump up front rattled him a bit and errors tend to come from him as a result. Once again, his horrible lack of balance was to the fore for the goal. Attacking that ball with his left foot and it was only going one place. Attack it with his right foot and if it caught his instep it might go out for a corner. But he avoids his right side like the plague and its why he won't ever be a top defender.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Didn't say worse. I said as bad as.
It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.
True. But Bruce hadn't spent the amount of cash Smith’s been given
There's an entire recruitment department that'll tell you Smith doesn't spend the cash.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Yes there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch
But we know Smith’s teams are capable of so much better than this. Missing 1 player shouldn't derail a team as badly as what we're seeing at the moment. The owners will have every right to be asking some hard questions.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
You blame Mings for trying to block the shot and, it then, deflecting into the net?? I’m sure if he realised it was heading wide he would have left it.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
The fault was entirely at the feet of the usually imperious Konsa, possibly his only serious error all season.
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If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25
For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.
Careful. From there 'tis but a small step to wanting to see all the local sides do well.
Only Walsall. I don't mind them.
Trust me..they enjoyed our demise like the rest of them. My family is full of them. Fuck em!
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I’m not advocating that we go 4-4-2 for the long term. Given the fit players we have just now, I’d rather start with two up front to ease some of the work load that Ollie has had to do for long periods. Ultimately, I would love to have 2 flying wingers that can actually go outside of the opposing full backs but, neither Traore or El Ghazi fit the bill just now.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.
Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
Joleon Lescott can go fuck himself. One of the most inept footballers in any position to wear our colours. He’s not fit to lace Mings’ boots. Shit footballer, shit pundit.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.
Konsa's slip, ill timed as it was, was still a fair old distance out. Elmo was caught a bit of his heels too. But Mings simply had to go to Diagne a lot quicker for me. If he pushed out the forward behind him would have been offside and I wouldn't have fancied Diagne to make the pass either way. I'm not sure where our holding midfielder was gone either...awol like he was most of the game I presume
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It's interesting reading through the comments on here, I haven't seen a game polarise opinion as much in a while, maybe it's the derby effect?
I thought we did OK. We should be beating teams like these, obviously - and comfortably - but it's not like we didn't create anything. I thought we were clearly the better side - they had a few moments, but that's all they were, and they needed our mistakes to score (as did we, to be fair).
However, with 70% of the ball, and almost a dozen shots on target will win us more games than we lose. Keinan and Traore hitting the woodwork and Ollie's 1-on-1 could have made it comfortable. We created far less against Fulham.
Absolutely delighted for Keinan - I don't think he's ever going to be a top-4 20-a-season striker, and we'll no doubt replace him with better at some point in the next couple of years, but he's definitely better than his stats indicate. He could have had a 10-minute hat-trick and showed good striker's instincts in his cameo. If Wesley is back to normal by pre-season, I'd like to see him go on loan and get himself regular games and goals and see what he can do with a run - he's never going to get that here, barring a massive injury crisis.
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Konsa's error? He slipped on the grass.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.
Konsa's slip, ill timed as it was, was still a fair old distance out. Elmo was caught a bit of his heels too. But Mings simply had to go to Diagne a lot quicker for me. If he pushed out the forward behind him would have been offside and I wouldn't have fancied Diagne to make the pass either way. I'm not sure where our holding midfielder was gone either...awol like he was most of the game I presume
You make it sound so easy as he is presented essentially with a three on one. Had he gone for the first man and committed they had two in behind for an open shot on goal. He did what was right and it was an unfortunate outcome.
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I agree with German James basic point that Mings is a liability, and if a decent, experienced CB to go alongside Konsa can be found I'd make that a priority. Martinez' impact has shown just how important it is to have a rock-solid GK, and the same is necessary at CB (imagining Konsa as the Ferdinand/Carvalho to Mings' Vidic/Terry, a better Vidic/Terry CB is needed).
I'd have Davis start every match in a 2 up front with Watkins - 6 games left in the season, try something new and let him sink or swim. If Grealish isn't coming back this season then more presence is needed up front because AEG, Trez and Traoré are all *bang* average, and Barkley seems to have lost any ability to make a correct decision.
I'd also use the 6 games to give Ramsey a lot more playing time. I've been impressed every time I've seen him, and it would be exciting to think that in a couple of years he could be an "experienced" 21-year-old PL midfielder helping Chukwuemeka into a homegrown midfield, with Barry coming along up front as well.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.
Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.
I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.
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No mans land? He didn’t expect his partner to slip there. How do think he can react in a split second while running backwards. Good grief
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Nah it’s not Mings fault. It’s an unfortunate slip from Ezri that makes it very difficult.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.
Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.
I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.
There was no need for Konsa to take the ball down as he did, the best defenders in the world, including God himself, know when to put their foot through the ball. Konsas had a great season but he’s not perfect and it was his mistake that led to the goal. I think blaming Mings is overly harsh and a case of over analysis
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Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?
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Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?
I’ve just watched that and thought exactly the same. We’ve had a bang average couple of months, but sometimes feels like we’ve had a disastrous season by some of the comments. We played quite well tonight
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70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?
With KD scoring and Wesley back we now have an actual forward line with options. Reasons to be cheerful.
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Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?
That because some people have preconceived views before the game and just look for areas to enhance them.
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Thought that we were better today in spells than we have been for weeks. We played some decent stuff tonight, even if it was intespersed with some poor play. We all know that without Jack Grealish and with Barkley contributing very little, we haven't got much quality in the final third and it is frustrating to watch promising moves constantly break down because of sloppy play.
The midfield remains an increasing area of concern for me, but I thought Jacob Ramsey's performance when he came on was very encouraging. Seemed to be playing a bit deeper, but got on the ball, was positive with his passing and gave us some much needed energy. Pleased for KD that he got his goal and hope he can kick on.
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Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?
Not sure how anyone could describe John McGinn's performance tonight as "magnificent" to be totally honest. Was his usual busy self, but gave the ball away a few too many times and had a few pretty weak efforts on goal. Would say a 6/10 kind of performance from him tonight.
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Delighted for Davis, but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays. It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.
Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.
If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure
We really wasn't that bad.
Yes there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch
I don't get harking back to comparisons with Bruce. That was the Championship and the parameters were very different.
However, to say we're were dire then is a bit of a nonsense.
I went to nearly all the games in 2017-18, and admittedly we stumbled at the end, but by and large we played ok and scored freely.
I agree. The best example being the 4 - 1 against the dog heads - who were flying at the time.
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Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?
Wouldn't go as far as magnificent for McGinn given his passing completion but I actually agree, it was a decent watch for a neutral and reminded me of plenty of championship games which most of us enjoyed, end to end with lots of chances and dodgy defending.
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Loved Ollie’s header for Keinan’s goal too. Many strikers at that stage of the game would have gone for goal themselves. He was cool enough to realise the best opportunity to score was to put it back across goal. That’s good to see.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.
Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.
I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.
There was no need for Konsa to take the ball down as he did, the best defenders in the world, including God himself, know when to put their foot through the ball. Konsas had a great season but he’s not perfect and it was his mistake that led to the goal. I think blaming Mings is overly harsh and a case of over analysis
Konsa took the ball down just fine. He didn’t know he was then going to slip. Had he not slipped he’d have effortlessly glided past those two Albion players like Baresi. And what if he slipped trying to put his foot through it and it led to the goal?
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Thought the general performance was much better than Fulham when we were truly dire for 75 minutes before the late rally.
Today we were poor the 10 minutes either side of half time but better team either side of that.
West Brom also mid table in form guide for last 8 games and above us so that needs to be taken into context.
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I'm glad I don't work for some of you, because if you think that was a half-arsed performance, I could make your life look like 365 Halloweens every year.
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Good game for the neutral, we didn’t play to badly it was brilliant to see Wes back ,and Keinan score . Target MOTM I think we give the ball away a lot ,the Baggies have turned that ability into an art form.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
That’s it. I am happy that we did what was necessary in the second half and had them under siege. I long for the day when can do that to Man City/manure etc.
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Mings is one of the last players we need to be looking at replacing and to see him described as a liability is laughable. He has the occasional lapse or mistake, but if he didn't have then he'd probably be at a better club than us.
Replacing him is miles down the list of priorities. I'd say Cash is more error prone. Yet still we have one of the better defences in the league.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
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"John McGinn had a fantastic game"
Those aren't my words, but the words of Jermaine Jenas on match of the day 2.
You have to question if he watched the game at all......or why he is even in a job!
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I'd have Davis start every match in a 2 up front with Watkins - 6 games left in the season, try something new and let him sink or swim. If Grealish isn't coming back this season then more presence is needed up front because AEG, Trez and Traoré are all *bang* average, and Barkley seems to have lost any ability to make a correct decision.
I'd also use the 6 games to give Ramsey a lot more playing time. I've been impressed every time I've seen him, and it would be exciting to think that in a couple of years he could be an "experienced" 21-year-old PL midfielder helping Chukwuemeka into a homegrown midfield, with Barry coming along up front as well.
The second point - yeah, I'd be started Ramsey in each of the remaining matches now. As luke:lamf said, it'd be great to have someone who's come through the youth team as a first team regular (other than Jack) ready for when Chukwuemeka & Barry come through.
For Davis - if one of the reasons Ollie's been brought in is because he's able to fill in on the wing, why not do that? Same system, but Ollie on the wing and Davis up front. Think we could really do with the fluidity to be able to swap between playing 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 as the situation dictates, and that'd allow us to try that in a relatively risk free environment (since we're not getting relegated this season, and aren't currently in the kind of form that'd see us doing much up the other end either).
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"John McGinn had a fantastic game"
Those aren't my words, but the words of Jermaine Jenas on match of the day 2.
You have to question if he watched the game at all......or why he is even in a job!
It was Jermain Jenas who made that comment. He talks a lot of sense that's why he's in a job. Calling SJM fantastic after last night's game was too generous in my view but he wasn't as bad as many people said and you're alluding too. He gave away the ball a few times which was irritating but he attempted a lot more passes than he usually does and that must have been a plan last night. His pass to Ollie in the second half was sublime and he should of scored. I find the reluctance to praise our players baffling sometimes and just as baffling is some posters constant scrutiny of anything negative. It's been said many times on here that we're a work in progress, Rome wasn't built in a day, etc etc. I enjoyed lest night's game warts n all.
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"John McGinn had a fantastic game"
Those aren't my words, but the words of Jermaine Jenas on match of the day 2.
You have to question if he watched the game at all......or why he is even in a job!
I sometimes think the professionals see a completely different game to the rest of us. And Jenas is usually full of shit too.
McGinn is always looking for the ball, always in the thick of it, and breaks stuff up too; but he's tried some very odd passes of late, and a lot of it hasn't come off.
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I think SJM made 4 or 5 brilliant passes some long balls he hit was stunning , he jst needs to stop running into blind alleys thinking he can take 2 players on and the simple lack of concentration with simple balls. He was better than Luiz and Barkley . He still needs competition thou , the midfield at the moment is really poor.
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Part of the problem of perception is that we're not as good as we were earlier in the season. I think we all probably started to get carried away and had hopes of Top 6 so it's naturally disappointing not to win every game.
It took a dodgy pen and an own goal to get a draw against us.
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McGinn's passes in the final third are ambitious and often clever - they work less in the PL than they did in the Championship though.
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It certainly was a curate's egg of a game: parts where we played really well (often when Target was getting forward), and parts where we looked inept (often involving miss-passes from McGinn and Barkley).
Looking forwards, I wonder whether it would be worth putting Wes in the no.10 role in place of Barkley and behind David and Watkins. Ramsey Major deserves more gametime.
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"John McGinn had a fantastic game"
Those aren't my words, but the words of Jermaine Jenas on match of the day 2.
You have to question if he watched the game at all......or why he is even in a job!
I sometimes think the professionals see a completely different game to the rest of us. And Jenas is usually full of shit too.
McGinn is always looking for the ball, always in the thick of it, and breaks stuff up too; but he's tried some very odd passes of late, and a lot of it hasn't come off.
I guess the pundits on Match of the Day probably just watch the edited highlights and comment on those.
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Thought on for a big win dominate 1st half and created many opportunities and second half lacked final thrust but good endeavour to not lose another match after taking lead.
Davis fantastic alertness in the box for his goal.
Martinez 7.5
Elmohamady 6.5
Targett 7.5
Mings 7
Konsa 5.5,
McGinn 7.5
Douglas Luiz 6.5
Barkley 6.5
El Ghazi 7
Traore 6
Watkins 8
Davis 7.5
Ramsey 7.5
Wesley. Welcome back!
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Thought on for a big win dominate 1st half and created many opportunities and second half lacked final thrust but good endeavour to not lose another match after taking lead.
Davis fantastic alertness in the box for his goal.
Martinez 7.5
Elmohamady 6.5
Targett 7.5
Mings 7
Konsa 5.5,
McGinn 7.5
Douglas Luiz 6.5
Barkley 6.5
El Ghazi 7
Traore 6
Watkins 8
Davis 7.5
Ramsey 7.5
Wesley. Welcome back!
About fair I'd say, maybe a touch harsh on Elmo but his crossing was way too floaty for my liking.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
Martinez made a few himself.
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I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?
Huh?
Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.
He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.
They would have said the opposite had he left the player he was marking (Pereira?) earlier and he’d have been slipped in for a one-on-one with the keeper and scored.. It’s like whenever a striker goes through on goal - if he shoots and the keeper saves, the commentators/pundits are unshakeable in their belief that he should have squared it for someone who was wide open. If he squares it and his mate misses, they are equally certain he should have shot. Hindsight is 20/20 vision.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
That’s it. I am happy that we did what was necessary in the second half and had them under siege. I long for the day when can do that to Man City/manure etc.
We didn't do what was necessary. We needed to score (at least) two goals and only managed one.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
Martinez made a few himself.
I can only think of 2 meaningful saves Martinez had to make:
one diving to his left in the first half which looked spectacular but it was at the sort of height where most premier league keepers would make it.
the other was in the second half tipping one over the bar which was a decent effort but again you'd expect the keeper to save it.
Johnstone was definitely the busier of the 2 and on balance i think we had the better chances, the Watkins one-on-one and the Davis effort of the post were easily the best opportunities that weren't taken in the game.
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Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.
I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.
(https://i.ibb.co/D9ht1fH/Spud.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D9ht1fH) We could always go back a few seasons...
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
Martinez made a few himself.
I can only think of 2 meaningful saves Martinez had to make:
one diving to his left in the first half which looked spectacular but it was at the sort of height where most premier league keepers would make it.
the other was in the second half tipping one over the bar which was a decent effort but again you'd expect the keeper to save it.
Johnstone was definitely the busier of the 2 and on balance i think we had the better chances, the Watkins one-on-one and the Davis effort of the post were easily the best opportunities that weren't taken in the game.
They also hit the post in the first half with the Perreira free kick, which to be honest I think Martinez got a bit lucky with as he was caught under the ball. Martinez would have had no chance with the earlier free kick from Perreira which whistled just over the top corner. We were very sloppy in giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Luiz getting done at corner flag was embarrassing, didn't Martinez have to pull off a decent save there too? It was all coming through Perreira anyway.
Thought Davis missed a better chance when he turned smartly in the box but unfortunately passed it into Johnstone's hands. I never fancied Watkins with his one, made a hero out of the keeper. It was a very open game, chances at both ends.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
That’s it. I am happy that we did what was necessary in the second half and had them under siege. I long for the day when can do that to Man City/manure etc.
We didn't do what was necessary. We needed to score (at least) two goals and only managed one.
Yes Ok but I meant in the way of application and putting our opponents under pressure. If you do that for long enough it inevitably results in goals.
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The match could easily have gone any way of the three possible results given the chances both teams had.
A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
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They also hit the post in the first half with the Perreira free kick, which to be honest I think Martinez got a bit lucky with as he was caught under the ball. Martinez would have had no chance with the earlier free kick from Perreira which whistled just over the top corner. We were very sloppy in giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Luiz getting done at corner flag was embarrassing, didn't Martinez have to pull off a decent save there too? It was all coming through Perreira anyway.
Thought Davis missed a better chance when he turned smartly in the box but unfortunately passed it into Johnstone's hands. I never fancied Watkins with his one, made a hero out of the keeper. It was a very open game, chances at both ends.
However lucky Martinez may have bene if that had gone in it'd have bene the biggest fluke of the season, that was 100% a mishit cross. The keeper not covering a free kick that was off target doesn't bother me. Luiz getting done didn't bother me, if Grealish did that to someone no one would blame the defender, it was just a clever bit of player from the only decent player they had, that move was the save diving to his left I mentioned and was their best chance (including both of their goals).
I agree the turn and shot should've been a better chance but because he scuffed it the keeper had nothing to do. In both cases if they'd come after his goal I think he'd have done better. I really hope that the confidence of finally getting that monkey off his back brings some composure to his game in front of goal. I honestly believe he has it in him to be a very good 2nd or 3rd striker in this league (as does Wesley).
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Thought on for a big win dominate 1st half and created many opportunities and second half lacked final thrust but good endeavour to not lose another match after taking lead.
Davis fantastic alertness in the box for his goal.
Martinez 7.5
Elmohamady 6.5
Targett 7.5
Mings 7
Konsa 5.5,
McGinn 7.5
Douglas Luiz 6.5
Barkley 6.5
El Ghazi 7
Traore 6
Watkins 8
Davis 7.5
Ramsey 7.5
Wesley. Welcome back!
About fair I'd say, maybe a touch harsh on Elmo but his crossing was way too floaty for my liking.
He hit one really weird shaped cross that bent and dipped so much I thought it was going to end up back at his feet.
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That 'chance' they had when Martinez tipped it onto the bar from Konsa was a double foul by Bartley, he'd got Konsa's shirt in one fist and another players in the other, you only see it from the replay on the reverse angle.
Had it gone in no doubt it would have been allowed.
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Morning all, I was one of the moaning gets last night having a go at Dean. I really like the bloke and he, more than anyone, will be desperate to get this team back to the top but I just don’t think he has it in him to take the next step. This close season is going to be vital, the club needs to show Grealish they really mean business otherwise he will go and I don’t blame him, it’s a very short career. The owners have been brilliant but I do believe that they won’t be as patient next season if they invest heavily (again) and performances aren’t upto scratch. Anyway, just an opinion and regardless of what we all think the hierarchy’s opinions are the only ones that matter!
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
No, just a light-hearted reference to the age in BE's profile.
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
Martinez made a few himself.
My post simply reflects my disappointment at not taking 3 points off Smethwick. Also, I was fairly well-refreshed after spending the afternoon drinking wine and eating snails. I wouldn't dwell on it.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
They were discussing the villa v albion match on a Sunderland forum? We must be massive
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It was an enjoyable game unless you were fans of either team feeling you should/could have got so much more from the game.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
They were discussing the villa v albion match on a Sunderland forum? We must be massive
They had a match thread!!
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We were wank and got a lucky point.
To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.
My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.
Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.
Martinez made a few himself.
I can only think of 2 meaningful saves Martinez had to make:
one diving to his left in the first half which looked spectacular but it was at the sort of height where most premier league keepers would make it.
the other was in the second half tipping one over the bar which was a decent effort but again you'd expect the keeper to save it.
Johnstone was definitely the busier of the 2 and on balance i think we had the better chances, the Watkins one-on-one and the Davis effort of the post were easily the best opportunities that weren't taken in the game.
Missed out one of the saves of the season when that Konsa header hit the post and he somehow tipped it over the bar, incredible reactions yet again.
1-2 down in a winnable game we were always going to leave space at the back and indeed WBA fans saying they should've pushed forward more in last 15 to get the third.
They didn't actually create that much in open play, we just struggled with the set pieces.
I enjoyed last night anyway. Give me 20 of those type of games in a season compared to other 20 where likes of Man. City just use us as training cones and endlessly pass around us for 30 minutes as they did on Wednesday and you knew we had no chance of scoring.
Probably why so many found the championship matches enjoyable as last night reminded me of one of them.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
They were discussing the villa v albion match on a Sunderland forum? We must be massive
They had a match thread!!
It's a busy forum to be fair, lots of decent football chat with plenty of other clubs' fans and always good to get a 'neutral' perspective.
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Feel happier after that match, than I have after our recent efforts, but despite dominating the match for the most part, our goals both came from Albion mistakes and that is a side who have the worst defensive record in the league. Also another concern is how poor we were on corners, we had 11 in the match and the only time we looked like scoring was when Davis hit the post, which was not great.
Hopefully Dean will now start giving the youngsters some game time, and I mean more than the odd few minutes.
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Yes, it's a chance to have two forwards playing off each other, with another roaming one just causing trouble. Can always revert to just Ollie up front if they want.
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Was relieved with the draw in the end. They had some decent chances but we dominated the second half without looking like we would get an equaliser.
Was a much better game than some of the recent dross and was made up for Keinan and glad to see Wes back.
Would have liked the subs earlier though.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
They were discussing the villa v albion match on a Sunderland forum? We must be massive
They had a match thread!!
Their Netflix success "Sunderland Til I Die" clearly needs a rebrand.
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Was relieved with the draw in the end. They had some decent chances but we dominated the second half without looking like we would get an equaliser.
Was a much better game than some of the recent dross and was made up for Keinan and glad to see Wes back.
Would have liked the subs earlier though.
Agree with all of that. Local derbies are rarely great games and when Albion missed a sitter then hit the crossbar in the first half I was convinced we'd go on and win. It's what we normally do. Couldn't stop laughing when Keinan scored. Delighted for him.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
BV there must be an attractive young lady involved for you to be on a Sunderland forum otherwise I can’t fathom why?
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Feel happier after that match, than I have after our recent efforts, but despite dominating the match for the most part, our goals both came from Albion mistakes and that is a side who have the worst defensive record in the league. Also another concern is how poor we were on corners, we had 11 in the match and the only time we looked like scoring was when Davis hit the post, which was not great.
Hopefully Dean will now start giving the youngsters some game time, and I mean more than the odd few minutes.
Sorry, but as I've said before and history of Dean Smith shows its just not going to happen
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Feel happier after that match, than I have after our recent efforts, but despite dominating the match for the most part, our goals both came from Albion mistakes and that is a side who have the worst defensive record in the league. Also another concern is how poor we were on corners, we had 11 in the match and the only time we looked like scoring was when Davis hit the post, which was not great.
Hopefully Dean will now start giving the youngsters some game time, and I mean more than the odd few minutes.
Only something like 2% of corners result in goals across all of the PL.
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During the championship winning season , getting a corner felt like getting a penalty kick with Peter Withe.
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70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?
We were saving the equaliser for causing maximum pain too. We've effectively relegated them.
Haha hahahaha!! Fuck off back to Sandwell you wankers.
At last I have some payback for the heartache they caused me as a kid in 1958 when they equalised late on and we ended up being relegated.
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They say that revenge is a dish best served cold, Keinan Davis delivered my revenge last night. .
29 April 1959; a friend and I went to The Hawthorns not really expecting us to be relegated. Back then there was no segregation, fans stood together. The unthinkable happened, I can still see Ronnie Allen scoring in my mind’s eye.
Then, for the first time ever I experienced taunting and comments from opposition fans. These brave men thought it OK to have a go at 14 year old schoolgirls.
I doubt that many of them are still alive now but at last the Villa have paid them back – the Albion won’t escape this time.
It may be served cold but it is very sweet.
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They say that revenge is a dish best served cold, Keinan Davis delivered my revenge last night. .
29 April 1959; a friend and I went to The Hawthorns not really expecting us to be relegated. Back then there was no segregation, fans stood together. The unthinkable happened, I can still see Ronnie Allen scoring in my mind’s eye.
Then, for the first time ever I experienced taunting and comments from opposition fans. These brave men thought it OK to have a go at 14 year old schoolgirls.
I doubt that many of them are still alive now but at last the Villa have paid them back – the Albion won’t escape this time.
It may be served cold but it is very sweet.
I love a good old Fuck The Albion, post.
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And so do I.
I was raised on stories of that day by my father, his brothers and their cousins. Most of them sadly now departed. They hated Albion, as do I, but occasionally I forget and hate B’lose more, but always return to my original hate. Bitter jealous bastards long may they stay down.
Revenge is ours Dad!
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I was there, 8 years old, with my Dad. Too young to fully understand the consequences of losing, me, not my Dad.
The sad thing was we knew Ronnie Allen, nice fellow.
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They say that revenge is a dish best served cold, Keinan Davis delivered my revenge last night. .
29 April 1959; a friend and I went to The Hawthorns not really expecting us to be relegated. Back then there was no segregation, fans stood together. The unthinkable happened, I can still see Ronnie Allen scoring in my mind’s eye.
Then, for the first time ever I experienced taunting and comments from opposition fans. These brave men thought it OK to have a go at 14 year old schoolgirls.
I doubt that many of them are still alive now but at last the Villa have paid them back – the Albion won’t escape this time.
It may be served cold but it is very sweet.
I love a good old Fuck The Albion, post.
Yep, expand the story to at least 500 words and D.Woodhall will ensure it's the first article printed in the end-of-season H&V print bonanza edition
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
BV there must be an attractive young lady involved for you to be on a Sunderland forum otherwise I can’t fathom why?
Sadly not and in any case it's not as much fun when it's 'virtual'. More it's one of the better non-Villa forums and all the Sunderland fans I met the night before the play-off final were sound.
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
BV there must be an attractive young lady involved for you to be on a Sunderland forum otherwise I can’t fathom why?
Sadly not and in any case it's not as much fun when it's 'virtual'. More it's one of the better non-Villa forums and all the Sunderland fans I met the night before the play-off final were sound.
come to think of it, all the Sunderland fans I have met have been sound, can not say the same about Geordies.
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How pleasing would it be if they got within 1 point of safety and knowing that Kevin Davis scored the goal that mattered?
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A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.
They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.
BV there must be an attractive young lady involved for you to be on a Sunderland forum otherwise I can’t fathom why?
Sadly not and in any case it's not as much fun when it's 'virtual'. More it's one of the better non-Villa forums and all the Sunderland fans I met the night before the play-off final were sound.
come to think of it, all the Sunderland fans I have met have been sound, can not say the same about Geordies.
Same for me, although the Georidies I've known have generally been sound too in fairness.
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I've this a few times before but having married into a mackem family I find Sunderland fans are very similar to Villa fans, it's a big club with huge potential but they've been let down so badly and so often that they're just as jaded as we are and expect everything to go to shit at any moment. All the same negativity that you see on here (and many other Villa groups) is repeated up there.
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I've this a few times before but having married into a mackem family I find Sunderland fans are very similar to Villa fans, it's a big club with huge potential but they've been let down so badly and so often that they're just as jaded as we are and expect everything to go to shit at any moment. All the same negativity that you see on here (and many other Villa groups) is repeated up there.
It brings a humility that males it easier to empathise with.
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I didn’t see any of the game at all. But we were absolutely shit.
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We relegated our oldest rival. What's not to like?
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I know Sir I am just being ironic as it seems to be the default setting these days about us. I just saw the BBC stats and couldn't believe the negativity. They did go to Chelsea and win very convincingly with free flowing football. The days of walking over most teams is not yet within our gift.
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I know Sir I am just being ironic as it seems to be the default setting these days about us. I just saw the BBC stats and couldn't believe the negativity. They did go to Chelsea and win very convincingly with free flowing football. The days of walking over most teams is not yet within our gift.
It wasn't a specific response to you, Kippax, just a general "see to it, lads!" from an ageing centre half. I was showing leadership (and I wasn't a centre half, I was a silky number 8, as I think my posts demonstrate).
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We relegated our oldest rival. What's not to like?
Yaaaas! Fuck you Aston Brook St Mary's wankers!
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The good news is that it will have relegated them and in the process meant probably one less promotion space for SHA to somehow scab next season. With Fulham going as well I expect that to be two very strong promotion candidates. Only for them to yoyo a year later again.
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Well, Keinan's equaliser to virtually relegate them certainly made a great belated birthday present. Thanks, son! X ;)
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Generally, an improved display, but Sam Johnstone came back to haunt us.
Amazing how, if he does something good early on, that AEG has an improved game. Slightly better from Ross but no thanks. Real impact from Ramsey when he came on -he really seemed to up the passing pace.
Have we ever conceded two worse goals -a 'ghost' penalty and the unlucky second?
Oh, and well done, Keinan -thoroughly deserved.