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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
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We will enter 2021 no worse than 6th spot after the remaining games this year. That is a stunning achievement. We will head to Old Trafford full of confidence with another difficult challenge to overcome. But it certainly won't easy for them either. They are also in very good form and have a lot of excellent players; but I can see us fighting hard to another well earned point.
1-1 Watkins for us. He deserves a goal.
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2-1 Grealish, Watkins
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Just FTF please Villa
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2-0
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Just FTF please Villa
Seconded. They already think the title's theirs if Liverpool slip up, the cocky w@ankers.
Would be happy with a draw though.
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I want to win this just so fucking much. I think they'll do us though, probably with a jammy Bruno Fernandes penalty making the breakthrough.
But Christ almighty I hate them and want us to do them.
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Kick off is 8pm
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Hope I’m wrong but 3rd game in a week, against man u’s forward line might be a game too far.
Then again I think McGinn and Dougie are better than their centre midfield, I think our defence is better than theirs, our goalie better than there’s. If barcklay is ready, I’d start him instead of Traore for this one, for 60 mins anyway, and put grealish back on the left and move El Ghazi over to the right. Could be a difficult night for Matty Cash though. Set McGinn the terrier on Fernandes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost, but for the first time, perhaps for ever, I also wouldn’t be surprised if we go there and turn the over.
3 2 villa (Grealish, Watkins, barcklay).
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
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If it was just their team and subs, but it’s the refs, the media and VAR.
The story they all want is a Manure 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' title race.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
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Them 0-5 Us. All goals to come from Erzigol Konsa.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
They have a game tomorrow against the Dogheads, so at least we will get an extra days rest before we play them.
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I don't know how many Times we've assisted a Man United player going through a dry patch.
Forlan sticks out in my Mind.
Its about time the roles reverse. Ollie to get a hat-trick.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
They have a game tomorrow against the Dogheads, so at least we will get an extra days rest before we play them.
I think this will be pivotal
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A bridge too far Villa. Deano will be named manager of the month just before kick off to seal our fate. 2-0 to Yanited. Then renewed rumours about Yanited coming for Grealish, McGinn, Konza, Martinez, Watkins, Luiz, Cash, The ballboys, the mantlepiece, a partridge in a pear tree.
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3-2 to Villa.
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3-2 to Villa.
If there's such a thing as Karma it will be after Yanited are 2-0 up at half time, Bruno Fernandes gives away a penalty when Jack stamps on him and young Frederico Guilbert comes off the bench to score the winner in the 93rd minute. Plus somehow, a bunch of 'overexuberant' Villa fans have made it into the 'Theatre of Plastics' to invade the pitch.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
Like !
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FTPMFAFTTOSISAFTFDT! 1-3
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Please please please, beat these absolute ******.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
Harsh.
But fair.
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Please please please, beat these absolute ******.
This.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
Probably not a popular opinion but I’d rest the vast majority of the team in the FA Cup game v Liverpool definitely not against ManU. We’ve got a real chance here and I’m going for 2-0 Watkins double
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I’ve been saying since before the season started that I really want to beat these more than any other team, and I think we will.
Rashford aside, they are everything that is wrong with football today and the sooner they either decline into mediocrity or fuck off to the European Superhypermega league the better.
Fuck them. 2-3 Villa, Watkins, Jack, SJM
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
McMahon for Grealish is a reasonably like for like replacement. The more direct approach of Lochhead for Watkins may work plus he can head butt and .kick the shit out of their defenders .
Thinking about it, how about Didier Six for Traore and little Barry Bannan for McGinn ?
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For the first time in about 20 years im actually looking forward to playing these fuckers.
I hate these with a passion and every ill of the premiership era can be put firmly at thier door.
There is not one of thier players i like and the coach is a piece of arrogant shit.
Thier "supporters" are the most biased, arrogant mouthy gobshites out there
They must be the only premiership team where playing in a souless, silent stadium makes no difference to a normal home game.
I hope fernandes breaks a leg, the rat faced flea hopping cheating twat and McGuire is given a torrid run around by Ollie
Just please win villa
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I don't know how many Times we've assisted a Man United player going through a dry patch.
Forlan sticks out in my Mind.
Its about time the roles reverse. Ollie to get a hat-trick.
Oh how I hope you're right. Would be brilliant. Was there last season and we should of won but for VAR. Jack running away from goal and they disallowed one for his heel. His bloody heel!!! Just how many times must we be the victim when we play these? Times are changing though and we could be masters of our own destiny. Their forward line is very quick and that's the main danger but if we can get them on the back foot our attacking strengths could be too much for them to cope with. Can't believe I'm going to say this bu I'm going for a narrow Villa win by the odd goal. Ollie G. S. to come on tv with his usual whining.
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Utd looking like they've got it sussed and capable of a title challenge. Under Ole it can only mean a blip is coming and I fucking hope we're the blip.
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Manchesterfuckingyanited nil please Villa...
UTV
The Doc
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I hate United- just don’t lose Villa
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
Yeah put Mings up front....
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
Probably not a popular opinion but I’d rest the vast majority of the team in the FA Cup game v Liverpool definitely not against ManU. We’ve got a real chance here and I’m going for 2-0 Watkins double
Without doubt we'll make changes for Liverpool but so will they.
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For the first time in about 20 years im actually looking forward to playing these fuckers.
I hate these with a passion and every ill of the premiership era can be put firmly at thier door.
There is not one of thier players i like and the coach is a piece of arrogant shit.
Thier "supporters" are the most biased, arrogant mouthy gobshites out there
They must be the only premiership team where playing in a souless, silent stadium makes no difference to a normal home game.
I hope fernandes breaks a leg, the rat faced flea hopping cheating twat and McGuire is given a torrid run around by Ollie
Just please win villa
I like the cut of your jib sir.
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With our away form so far this season, anything can happen. 0-3 Watkins, AEG & Grealish.
They'll have the opener (a penalty) disallowed for encroachment and Martinez will catch the retaken kick.
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Please change the title thread to 8pm.
Anyway its about time we beat these.
Watkins header 9th minute. 1 nil.
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I genuinely think we can win this.
If I had typed that at virtually any other time this century it would be right to have asked what I'd been drinking.
2-0 to us with Ollie breaking his drought and getting both.
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Think we should really change it up a bit for this one. Although it's likely Barkley and Mings will come back in both Grealish and Watkins could do with a breather. I'm not really fancying our chances here to be honest. Come game time no doubt I will !
Rest Jack and Watkins? Are you absolutely mental?!
McMahon for Grealish is a reasonably like for like replacement. The more direct approach of Lochhead for Watkins may work plus he can head butt and .kick the shit out of their defenders .
Thinking about it, how about Didier Six for Traore and little Barry Bannan for McGinn ?
How we could do with a Frank Carrodus, Tony Morley or Gordon Cowans...
oh we have their 21C updates already
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I accidently voted for a Manure win when I meant to go for the draw. We have to go toe to toe with them because defensively they aren't great but as an attacking force they can cause trouble for most teams. Bruno Fernandes is the main danger to us in my opinion.
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FTPMFAFTTOSISAFTFDT! 1-3
I completely agree BE.
Nevertheless may I have a translation?
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Our 4-yellow contingent will do well to make it to the amnesty without reaching 5 and an enforced break. Play them, what happens happens, I'd rather we don't try second-guessing ourselves about what might or might not be.
As tough as it is on Hause, I'd put Mings back in for that bit extra we get with his distribution. Against Chelsea I thought we really missed that straight 30-40 yard ball up the line to Watkins or Grealish or the winger that he does play very well. Grealish on the left, Barkley as the '10', El Ghazi right wing, the rest picks itself.
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Our 4-yellow contingent will do well to make it to the amnesty without reaching 5 and an enforced break. Play them, what happens happens, I'd rather we don't try second-guessing ourselves about what might or might not be.
As tough as it is on Hause, I'd put Mings back in for that bit extra we get with his distribution. Against Chelsea I thought we really missed that straight 30-40 yard ball up the line to Watkins or Grealish or the winger that he does play very well. Grealish on the left, Barkley as the '10', El Ghazi right wing, the rest picks itself.
Does a fifth booking mean missing the Fa cup game?
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Our 4-yellow contingent will do well to make it to the amnesty without reaching 5 and an enforced break. Play them, what happens happens, I'd rather we don't try second-guessing ourselves about what might or might not be.
As tough as it is on Hause, I'd put Mings back in for that bit extra we get with his distribution. Against Chelsea I thought we really missed that straight 30-40 yard ball up the line to Watkins or Grealish or the winger that he does play very well. Grealish on the left, Barkley as the '10', El Ghazi right wing, the rest picks itself.
Does a fifth booking mean missing the Fa cup game?
No, a suspension through accumulated yellow cards is competition-specific, it'll be a league game.
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Please change the title thread to 8pm.
Anyway its about time we beat these.
Watkins header 9th minute. 1 nil.
81 minutes 1-0 up at Old Trafford? Are you suffering from low blood pressure?
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It would be more like 95 minutes if we’re winning
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Our 4-yellow contingent will do well to make it to the amnesty without reaching 5 and an enforced break. Play them, what happens happens, I'd rather we don't try second-guessing ourselves about what might or might not be.
As tough as it is on Hause, I'd put Mings back in for that bit extra we get with his distribution. Against Chelsea I thought we really missed that straight 30-40 yard ball up the line to Watkins or Grealish or the winger that he does play very well. Grealish on the left, Barkley as the '10', El Ghazi right wing, the rest picks itself.
Does a fifth booking mean missing the Fa cup game?
No, a suspension through accumulated yellow cards is competition-specific, it'll be a league game.
Cheers it used to be that way but I remember last year league Cup yellows were specific to that competition.
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sit back and hit em on the break just like second half against palace
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I want this bad.
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McGuire's going to get sent off as we win 0-2.
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We will ask a lot more questions of their dodgy defence than Wolves did.
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Manure 3 (Fernandes pen 87, Fernandes pen 94, van Nistelrooy 99)
Villa 2 (Grealish 17, Watkins 61)
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Having just watched them. Well, well, well, now here is an opportunity...
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Having just watched them. Well, well, well, now here is an opportunity...
They were dreadful....complete fluke of a winner at the end
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Chelsea were shite against Arsenal.
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Nothing happened during the game at all!!
Where did 5 minutes added time come from?
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Having just watched them. Well, well, well, now here is an opportunity...
They may have used up all their luck tonight but that will be compensated for by awarding Bruno Fernandes 2 penalties as they didn't get any tonight.
Would love to do the f*ckers on Friday even more than normal.
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Wolves gave them no space in behind tonight which exposed their lack of a plan b, reminded me of England in that regard. Complete fluke of a winner, undeserved in the extreme. But hopefully talk of a title charge will ramp up in the next couple of days for them.
We won't sit back like Wolves did, that's not the Smith way. I'd expect we will try and get Luiz and McGinn to dominate in midfield, like the veteran Moutinho did tonight. Get Jack 1 on 1 with the frankly hopeless AWB. But we will give them space in behind where Mings additional pace will be useful.
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Chelsea were shite against Arsenal.
True, but Lampard realised that and made wholesale changes. Ole won't.
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0-1 watkins pen Maguire brings down JG in the box .......
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Just for once beat the ******
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0-1 watkins pen Maguire brings down JG in the box .......
He could pick him up and throw him in the stadium and we wouldn’t get a penalty there tbh. Not happening.
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I watched Prime until the end last night. The hype train had well and truly rolled in and level of delusion was off the charts with Phil Neville. It was as if he had not just watched a dire and utterly clueless Man United huff and puff and do the square root of nowt for 92 minutes against Burnley in gold, before a huge stroke of luck.
I hope they're all buying into that hype, as it dramatically increases the likelihood of them coming unstuck.
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How come Maguire is allowed to Push pull and climb over players without getting penalised ?
Agree with Ads, I really hope they believe they played well.
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I held off with my prediction but having seem them last night we should give it a right go.
2-1
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Nice to go into this game not already writing it off as a defeat. They always have been and always will be a bunch of twats so a win here would be very welcome.
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Currently they are the 2nd best team in the country- how that has has happened is beyond me - but you can guarantee that on Friday they will get a dodgy VAR decision go for them 10 mins into injury time
With the amount of luck they are having I am thinking of contacting OGS and asking him for the 6 numbers for Saturday’s lottery
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Rashford scores the winner in the 98th minute.
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Having just watched them. Well, well, well, now here is an opportunity...
They may have used up all their luck tonight but that will be compensated for by awarding Bruno Fernandes 2 penalties as they didn't get any tonight.
Would love to do the f*ckers on Friday even more than normal.
If they do get a pen Emi should just stand still until Fernandes has done his stupid hop, skip and a jump action Key is not to commit himself early. That way Fernandes doesn’t have the power to beat the keeper
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To confidently predict us to win this game may be a step too far. However, looking at the two likely line ups of the teams, I can honestly say that, if given the opportunity, there are only two of their players who I would have lining up for us.
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Why do the Villa media team always post small time, fawning articles about the opposition?
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/Cash-A-dream-to-play-at-Old-Trafford/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/Cash-A-dream-to-play-at-Old-Trafford/)
Pure garbage.
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Yeah, they've done that kind of shit before. Sure I remember an article that called it "The Theatre of Dreams". FFS.
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I honestly don't mind this time around. On top of them hopefully thinking they did a great job last night, anything that makes them think they'll just be facing a coach load of tourists on Friday is fine by me.
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FTF!
We're going to win this one!
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I watched Prime until the end last night. The hype train had well and truly rolled in and level of delusion was off the charts with Phil Neville. It was as if he had not just watched a dire and utterly clueless Man United huff and puff and do the square root of nowt for 92 minutes against Burnley in gold, before a huge stroke of luck.
I hope they're all buying into that hype, as it dramatically increases the likelihood of them coming unstuck.
In fairness, I’ve had a look at the match thread on Red Cafe and they’re extremely wary and respectful of us, generally saying that it will be a more open game because unlike Wulvz we’ll go at them and that will give them a chance, but we’ve also got an excellent defence.
It helps that they all love Grealish, so they don’t buy into the bitter, twisted shite we see from our nearest and dearest, but it’s genuinely incredible to see us talked about like this.
What a time to be alive.
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for the first time in at least 10 years I think we have a team capable of beating them
I actually think we have a better first 11 team than them
but you just can’t legislate for the MU spawnieness you can’t calculate for those decisions that will automatically go their way (see the last game penalty)
they are the luckiest team on the planet
Yeah I know you make your own luck
But their greatest ever night was the biggest smash and grab in Football history
You think they can’t keep getting Jammy at the end of games but they still do (see last night’s deflection)
so yes I think we win all things being equal
But things are never equal when we play them
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I thought we were capable of beating them at their place last season. We played well enough that day and deserved the draw. The team now, versus theirs then would win.
I would love it if we beat them, love it.
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Not interested in resting anyone
We can rest a few in the F.A Cup game ,we have a real chance of staying in this top 6 ,let's not throw it away
1-2 to us
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Not interested in resting anyone
We can rest a few in the F.A Cup game ,we have a real chance of staying in this top 6 ,let's not throw it away
1-2 to us
I thibk we all know deano won't rest anyone. I'm also assuming that 5 yellows carrys onto fa Cup? If so expect at least 2 from 3 of Jack, sjm and targets will get booked..
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Not interested in resting anyone
We can rest a few in the F.A Cup game ,we have a real chance of staying in this top 6 ,let's not throw it away
1-2 to us
I thibk we all know deano won't rest anyone. I'm also assuming that 5 yellows carrys onto fa Cup? If so expect at least 2 from 3 of Jack, sjm and targets will get booked..
No, the bookings do not apply to the Cup.
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And Mings is back, but he's on 4 too. Apparently the red does negate the second yellow, but the first one still stands.
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After watching the last hour of yesterdays sh!tshow I would go for a 0-6!! I thought they looked totally clueless and how McGuire didn't get a booking or two I'll never know. Then again It is Manure I suppose.
It'll be interesting to see if Jack can get McGuire sent off;) he won't be able to stop him legally.
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Not interested in resting anyone
We can rest a few in the F.A Cup game ,we have a real chance of staying in this top 6 ,let's not throw it away
1-2 to us
I thibk we all know deano won't rest anyone. I'm also assuming that 5 yellows carrys onto fa Cup? If so expect at least 2 from 3 of Jack, sjm and targets will get booked..
No, the bookings do not apply to the Cup.
Shame. Hopefully mcginn and grealsih will avoid getting a suspension inthe same game then
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I thought the yellow cards reset in 2021?
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Not interested in resting anyone
We can rest a few in the F.A Cup game ,we have a real chance of staying in this top 6 ,let's not throw it away
1-2 to us
I thibk we all know deano won't rest anyone. I'm also assuming that 5 yellows carrys onto fa Cup? If so expect at least 2 from 3 of Jack, sjm and targets will get booked..
No, the bookings do not apply to the Cup.
Shame. Hopefully mcginn and grealsih will avoid getting a suspension inthe same game then
Jack's yellow cards tend to be for easily avoidable acts of petulance. McGinn playing in the centre of the park will always pick up yellows for a mistimed tackle or two. I'd say McGinn is almost a cert to pick up a yellow at Old Trafford trying to keep an eye on the likes of Fernandes breaking in behind. We need Luiz to be at his most disciplined too.
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I thought the yellow cards reset in 2021?
Midway point, 19 league games.
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Confident of at least point, watched the game last night and they looked very average and only won through a deflection. Fernandez is quality and Rashfords pace could cause us problems but not much else to fear.
1-1 Watkins.
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I never normally dream about football, but I feel like I did last night. They were massively overloading onto Cash's side, and I thought there's no way we'll cope, before remembering that doing that frees up the entire pitch for Grealish. So all good!
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Confident of at least point, watched the game last night and they looked very average and only won through a deflection. Fernandez is quality and Rashfords pace could cause us problems but not much else to fear.
1-1 Watkins.
They are likely to change their team quite a bit. I'd say Fred and McTominany will come back in for Pogba (dreadful again) and Matic. Shaw for Telles and Martial for Cavani. Greenwood very poor again, maybe James for him. I think it will be a much different game against us so would nearly disregard the Wolves game as we won't defend from our 18 yard box. If they setup the same again, Grealish would have a field day against AWB. McTominany will be asked to double up down that flank.
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To confidently predict us to win this game may be a step too far. However, looking at the two likely line ups of the teams, I can honestly say that, if given the opportunity, there are only two of their players who I would have lining up for us.
Yeah, I agree on that. As far as first 11s go, I think we've one of the strongest in the division. I doubt we'd be able to replace any single member of it for less than £25m now. We're much weaker on the bench, but I'd still argue over half of our bench could get in the first team of (at least) a bottom 6 side. Thinking AEG, Traore, Hause, Heaton, Wes, and Hourihane.
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The one thing I guarantee in this game having watched Wolves is that we will have multiple chances to score. The other thing I know is those jammy bastards will likely take advantage and win with a flukey deflection or a penalty in the 90th minute if we don’t take our chances.
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Confident of at least point, watched the game last night and they looked very average and only won through a deflection. Fernandez is quality and Rashfords pace could cause us problems but not much else to fear.
1-1 Watkins.
They are likely to change their team quite a bit. I'd say Fred and McTominany will come back in for Pogba (dreadful again) and Matic. Shaw for Telles and Martial for Cavani. Greenwood very poor again, maybe James for him. I think it will be a much different game against us so would nearly disregard the Wolves game as we won't defend from our 18 yard box. If they setup the same again, Grealish would have a field day against AWB. McTominany will be asked to double up down that flank.
I think this is right. I think they will be better against us than against Wolves. They have rested a few cause they thought Wolves would be easier to beat than us. I watched some of their game against wolves, they didnt look good as a team but difficult to break down with some defensive players difficult to get past. And as they are Man U they will go for being in the match till they get their luck ish or controversial goal late on. It seems that their tradition with this give them confidence that it will happen again and that does matter/ counts for something. I m happy if we can get a point and no injuries or suspension. Anyway we will still be one of the best teams in the League (with or without the point).
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Hope Fernandez gets sent off.Sly scrote.
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We should load up on Maguire when he has the ball. He fancies himself as a playmaker, he isn’t, he’s just a lumbering ox.
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They have some very dangerous players but defensively they are vulnerable.
It will take a hell of a performance to beat them but we have a shout.
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Confident of at least point, watched the game last night and they looked very average and only won through a deflection. Fernandez is quality and Rashfords pace could cause us problems but not much else to fear.
1-1 Watkins.
True, true, but nobody seems to be factoring in the fact that we’ve beaten them once in about 60 matches. We won’t win. Draw maybe.
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I’d take a draw now to be honest
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We beat them in a pre-season friendly at their place!
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Bit bored watching Swansea v Reading.
Our game gets advertised and the commentator says “Manchester United against the fearless Aston Villa”.
I like it.
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Pace and confidence is the key.
Dean should go for them from the off. With a midfield and attacking formation he can use 3 subs at 70 mins. 3 fresh bods in one go to get us up to 7 goals.
Like to see Ramsey start.
This game is huge.
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Confident of at least point, watched the game last night and they looked very average and only won through a deflection. Fernandez is quality and Rashfords pace could cause us problems but not much else to fear.
1-1 Watkins.
They are likely to change their team quite a bit. I'd say Fred and McTominany will come back in for Pogba (dreadful again) and Matic. Shaw for Telles and Martial for Cavani. Greenwood very poor again, maybe James for him. I think it will be a much different game against us so would nearly disregard the Wolves game as we won't defend from our 18 yard box. If they setup the same again, Grealish would have a field day against AWB. McTominany will be asked to double up down that flank.
I think this is right. I think they will be better against us than against Wolves. They have rested a few cause they thought Wolves would be easier to beat than us. I watched some of their game against wolves, they didnt look good as a team but difficult to break down with some defensive players difficult to get past. And as they are Man U they will go for being in the match till they get their luck ish or controversial goal late on. It seems that their tradition with this give them confidence that it will happen again and that does matter/ counts for something. I m happy if we can get a point and no injuries or suspension. Anyway we will still be one of the best teams in the League (with or without the point).
They played a lot better at Leicester a week or so ago. Definitely the better side but Rashford missed some big chances. We will have plenty of the ball, no matter who they select they are easy to keep possession against. They will be petrified of Grealish getting one on one v AWB early on. Early yellow there would be ideal.
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You never know what you're going to get with Man U. They've got some excellent players in Fernandes, Rashford and Greenwood, and a fair amount of pace all over the pitch. When they click despite OGS's best efforts, they're more than a match for anybody. When they don't fancy it, they're garbage.
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0-1 watkins pen Maguire brings down JG in the box .......
He could pick him up and throw him in the stadium and we wouldn’t get a penalty there tbh. Not happening.
Just hope you have to come back to me and say "you were right" :-))
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Can’t wait to listen to the commentary - how long before they say “United are back where the belong fighting for the title”
Or they mention Grealish having the opportunity to play for them next season
I cannot stand that club - I never watch them when they are in the television- The company I work for our FD is a United season ticket holder and he is so arrogant when he talks about them - I just hope we go there and win
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We beat them in a pre-season friendly at their place!
It was at Villa Park, so I suppose you are technically correct.
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We beat them in a pre-season friendly at their place!
It was at Villa Park, so I suppose you are technically correct.
You're right, there's some footage of it in an article on the Villa site. At the time it went under the radar a bit as did the win over the Arse.
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Enjoy the above if you want but they are not up as a celebration. Our previous win up there prior to these only two was 1954 !
An awful record and we have accumulated a mountain of results which eventually demand revenge.
There are good things happening at VP with the hope they can in time turn into great things.
Starting tomorrow I want us to start payback with this lot and put the bastards to the sword in their own shit hole ground.
UTV
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Enjoy the above if you want but they are not up as a celebration. Our previous win up there prior to these only two was 1954 !
An awful record and we have accumulated a mountain of results which eventually demand revenge.
There are good things happening at VP with the hope they can in time turn into great things.
Starting tomorrow I want us to start payback with this lot and put the bastards to the sword in their own shit hole ground.
UTV
And it is a shit ground, the football equivalent of an Amazon warehouse.
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On 13th April 1977 Old Trafford was a very happy hunting ground for us. You'll never see a better strike in a Cup Final than Chris Nicholl's goal, one of the greatest nights in our great history.
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Would love to see the full 90 minutes of our last win up there, one of the most nervous I've even been watching a second half of a game we've been leading. Injury time was a bit more relaxing as I was chuckling for a good minute at Ferguson loudly swearing at the 4th official for "only" adding 3 minutes at the end.
Defence back then actually reminds me of what we have this season, very good one v one defenders and Friedel was very solid aswell when we needed him to be.
Surprised we didn't put it up on the website as one of the retro games during lockdown and even finding anything beyond 2-3 minute highlights like above is impossible on YT.
Think I'd rather do them at VP. We did get a draw there last season but beyond a joke we haven't won at home to them in league since August 1995 so that simply has to end soon just like the home hoodoos over Arsenal and Liverpool have recently ended.
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Enjoy the above if you want but they are not up as a celebration. Our previous win up there prior to these only two was 1954 !
An awful record and we have accumulated a mountain of results which eventually demand revenge.
There are good things happening at VP with the hope they can in time turn into great things.
Starting tomorrow I want us to start payback with this lot and put the bastards to the sword in their own shit hole ground.
UTV
I had €100 win on that result at 7/1 in 2009, such was my confidence.
In fact, I had 50 quid on and after a few pints I thought, I don't have enough on this...
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On 13th April 1977 Old Trafford was a very happy hunting ground for us. You'll never see a better strike in a Cup Final than Chris Nicholl's goal, one of the greatest nights in our great history.
Thanks for posting that clip, I went to all three finals with my Dad and brother both no longer with us. The third match at O T I went with my brother in law who was a Prison Officer at Strangeways, so had the pleasure of having Tea at the Prison canteen before the match. After the match returned to Strangeways officers social club for a cabaret act by Stan Boardman...he of the Gerrrrmmmans jokes.
Sad to say my BiL passed away the week before Christmas so that reminds me of a really good day. Many thanks, RIP Terry
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Cavani is suspended. Shame.
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I hope we play like we did against Liverpool and Arsenal and blow them away. Then when they get their inevitable cheating penalty, it won't matter.
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Cavani is suspended. Shame.
yeah, real shame.... ;D
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Don't know if mentioned elsewhere, but we now play man city on 20th Jan.
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Don't know if mentioned elsewhere, but we now play man city on 20th Jan.
Have they had enough time to recover from their exertions now then?
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On 13th April 1977 Old Trafford was a very happy hunting ground for us. You'll never see a better strike in a Cup Final than Chris Nicholl's goal, one of the greatest nights in our great history.
That clip is worth seeing, I just did. What a good and tense atmosphere. Brain Little did stand out as a player I thought. It was a xactly around that time I started to follow Villa. This is starting to be some years a go .... different times really but what a good bunch those supporters appears to be I have to say :)
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I hope we play like we did against Liverpool and Arsenal and blow them away. Then when they get their inevitable cheating penalty, it won't matter.
I’ve now read in multiple places that Man U will go top if they beat us by 9 goals. So I’m delighted that’s what some are focusing on. Little upstart Aston Villa, one of the most in form teams in Europe, with the second best defence in the league and one of the top chance creating and goal scoring teams is going to roll in and take a pasting. I hope they take us lightly. I watched Wolves create numerous chances against them and they’re not close to what we are this season. We will do the same. We just have to put them away. But the fucking cheek of it all. I hope we go there and give them a good game and a beating all these fuckers will remember.
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Take the game to them and beat the cheating fuckingredfilthcuntywankers.
I hate everthing about them from their arrogant wanker supporters to the industrial estate stadium they play at to the red nosed tosser who managed them previously to the gnome they have managing them today.
You just know you will be playing against 12 of them on the pitch, a couple more in a VAR shed somewhere and a completely sycophantic commentary team.
But we are good enough to rip them a new arsehole. Come on boys, fucking get into em
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They are the ultimate counter attacking team.
If we score first we can win readily
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Just bin on red cafe, its a mixture of who the f##k are Villa. To them bricking it. But they all agree that Mcginn is like rabid dog at the moment. FTF. UTFV.
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Cavani banned for 3 games. Not able to play tomorrow.
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To quote Kevin: I'd love it if we beat them! Love it!
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manure 2 Villa 7
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Cavani banned for 3 games. Not able to play tomorrow.
Nuts.
Good for us, I guess.
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I really want to beat these Fuckers more than any other. I detest everything about them and their arrogant so called supporters.
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I really want to beat these Fuckers more than any other. I detest everything about them and their arrogant so called supporters.
As above.
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After Mondays game, where I thought we played really well, but looked tired at the end (understandably), I thought tomorrow's game, could be a game too far over the Xmas period.
I still think if their firing, martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Fernandes are dangerous and it will be interesting how in particular Mings copes with this if he's brought back in, mistakes in him that he has.
However, with 24 hours to go and maybe slightly under the influence, I'm convinced we can do this. Mcginn and Luiz against mctominay and pogba or who ever, all day long. Grealish, Watkins and (hopefully) Barcklay against Maguire and his mob. I fancy us I really do.
Happy New year all.
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I keep voting draw. It's clearly the least likely result but I feel the chances are even, which is amazingly different from 12 months ago.
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Just bin on red cafe, its a mixture of who the f##k are Villa. To them bricking it. But they all agree that Mcginn is like rabid dog at the moment. FTF. UTFV.
After I read this I went and had a look. They were mostly complementary about us to be fair. They're definitely concerned about our midfield/attacking prowess. There seems to be a train of thought amongst there fans,and not just on there,that all it will take for them to sign Grealish is for them put in a bid. Which is pretty arrogant of them. I said in my earlier post that I think we'll win by the odd goal and I'm sticking with that bit as the game draws closer the nerves are creeping in. In Rashford, Greenwood and Fernandez they are extremely dangerous and we will have to be really on top of our game to get something out of it. Really looking forward to this one.
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I keep voting draw. It's clearly the least likely result but I feel the chances are even, which is amazingly different from 12 months ago.
What, when we drew?! ;)
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These f**kers are the yardstick to our progress. We played them off the park at Old Trafford last season but only managed a draw. Play our normal game and we'll win this. They're living on reputation now and someone said earlier only 2-3 of their players would make our squad. I agree. Go at them from the off, get an early goal and prove to the doubters Liverpool wasn't a fluke. And then reinforce that shit a few days later.
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0 - 4 all Watkins Christmas to come at once!!!😁😁😁👍👍
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I know football wasnt invented in 1992 but the stat I have just been reminded of on the BBC is incredibly depressing. We’ve beaten them 3 times in 50 meetings. I actually fancy us to make it four today.
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I wonder which half they’ll get their penalty?
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We’ve got to be careful we don’t play into their hands. They’re good at countering sides, so we can’t leave ourselves too open against them.
I hope we crush the fuckers.
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I wonder which half they’ll get their penalty?
Fernandez to fall over like he’s been shot is evens at every bookmakers in the land.
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I wonder which half they’ll get their penalty?
Fernandez to fall over like he’s been shot is evens at every bookmakers in the land.
And VAR to review it and still give a pen even though it's a clear dive.
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I wonder which half they’ll get their penalty?
It will be in the 138th minute following a VAR check. Emi will have to put his kit back on as he was called back from his post match cuppa!
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I wonder which half they’ll get their penalty?
Fernandez to fall over like he’s been shot is evens at every bookmakers in the land.
And VAR to review it and still give a pen even though it's a clear dive.
Even if he clearly stamps on the defenders shin beforehand.
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After years of crap in owners, players and managers it's bloody great going into a game knowing you have a chance of victory no matter who the opposition is.
1-2 Watkins and Traore
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Really, really want to win this. I think it will be a draw though. I am sure the world will stop turning if we actually beat Man U
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this is the big one for me; forget Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea blah blah blah - if there's one away game you want to win, it's at Old Trafford. Smith needs to make sure the players know how big winning this, or even avoiding defeat would be. It would give us a serious platform to compete for a top 6 finish.
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I'd go with,
Martinez
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash
McGinn
Dougie
Barkley
Grealish
Watkins
El Goalzi
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Agree with Ads' side. And without anything much changing, all of a sudden the idea of having to bring on a substitute isn't accompanied by a sense of impending doom.
I thought Monday's performance and result were huge. Let's follow it up and kick the new year off in style. 2-none the Villa.
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We'll very likely lose, but..
We'll be going there trying to win rather than avoid a heavy defeat and knowing that if they do beat us they'll have had to work for it rather than score a couple any time they like then declare.
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I wouldn’t drop Traore. He deserves to keep his place. Goals, assists and hard work since he started starting (!) He can’t do much more.
Barkley can come on after 70 and try and play his way into being a starter.
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I wouldn’t drop Traore. He deserves to keep his place. Goals, assists and hard work since he started starting (!) He can’t do much more.
Barkley can come on after 70 and try and play his way into being a starter.
Agreed.
Ross will not be match fit and Traore was unlucky having to come off the last game after starting so well. Ross to come on around the 60-minute mark if we are chasing the game but I expect us to be ahead by then such is the confidence right through the team right now.
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Traore gave Chilwell so much room on Monday. They'll likely try and exploit that with Rashford/Greenwood. I'd bring Barkley in.
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Looking forward to this one tonight, though do have a slight worry that we might just tire a bit. The Chelsea game would have been good preparation for playing one of the top sides in the league and we should be going there with no fear at all.
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Traore gave Chilwell so much room on Monday. They'll likely try and exploit that with Rashford/Greenwood. I'd bring Barkley in.
Yes however we approach this we need to minimise their space. They’re limited tactically, but they are very good at exploiting space.
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Traore gave Chilwell so much room on Monday. They'll likely try and exploit that with Rashford/Greenwood. I'd bring Barkley in.
He tightened up a bit second half but he was all over the place first half, and rightly got a tongue lashing from Cash after the goal.
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I sense that Yanited are being more cocky and obnoxious than normal because they are high in the table (for a change).
Time to bring the fuckers down a peg or two.
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this is the big one for me; forget Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea blah blah blah - if there's one away game you want to win, it's at Old Trafford. Smith needs to make sure the players know how big winning this, or even avoiding defeat would be. It would give us a serious platform to compete for a top 6 finish.
Good omen is we drew twice up there 0-0 in the mid 90s under SBL and those were both January games.
Wouldn't shock me if that is the scoreline tonight as we've hardly conceded away this season and they've struggled to score at home bar the mad Leeds game.
I suspect we'll play things like we did going to Leicester and see what we can create on counter attack.
Can't see Barkley thrown back in to start as given he lasted one minute of the Brighton game he hasn't played for nearly 8 weeks now so rare you throw a player straight back into start of high intensity game.
Hopefully will be on the bench and get last 30 minutes the he starts v Liverpool.
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From Deano's comments elsewhere, he likely won't change much in the lineup (at kick-off at least), so Manure can't afford to take us for granted. How often could we have said THAT? I really hope they do of course, the cocky Manky twatpieces. Continuity for a change, let the opposition worry about us, and as I would have said many years ago: Gerrinta em and f***k em off....
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Traore gave Chilwell so much room on Monday. They'll likely try and exploit that with Rashford/Greenwood. I'd bring Barkley in.
Agree with this. Traore has done well in the last few games, but was dodgy first half against Chelsea, although to be fair pulled it round second half. Can see that barcklay won’t be match fit, but he’s a big game player. Generally, apart from
Leeds and Southampton (1st half) we look far more dynamic with barcklay behind Watkins, linking with grealish and Targett on the left. I’d play him for 50 or 60 mins then bring Traore on
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Great goal from Watkins but, judged to be offside, even though his run started from inside our own penalty area. Immediately after this, one of their divers trips over a blade of grass around the halfway line. The referee picks up said blade of grass, puts it into our penalty area and goes to VAR. They take 5 minutes to review the decision and then award the penalty. They score from the penalty. We equalise in the 44th minute but, ref puts his watch on a couple of minutes so, goal is ruled out as ref says he had already blown for half time.
What will the second half bring, anyone!!??
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I'll be stunned if Smith doesn't bring both Barkley and Mings straight back in. I think Smith will be keen to get Grealish on the left wing to target AWB who appears really short of confidence currently.
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Barkley was out on the 21st November, so its not as long as it appears.
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Barkley was out on the 21st November, so its not as long as it appears.
He played grand total of one minute of that game so it's two days off eight weeks really from Arsenal away. That's a long time to be out and we don't want him starting just to pull up again after 20 minutes. Rather ease him in and start him v Liverpool to get him properly match fit for Spurs and Everton.
Anyone know how far off Trez is as he'd be another useful sub option for last 20 minutes given his workrate.
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Barkley was out on the 21st November, so its not as long as it appears.
Smith said if we weasn't back for the Wolves game, it would be just after. That was three weeks ago.
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Don’t think we can leave Cash exposed with Traore in front of him.
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From Deano's comments elsewhere, he likely won't change much in the lineup (at kick-off at least), so Manure can't afford to take us for granted.
I reckon Dean was bluffing. I expect he'll make a change or two, certainly Barkley if he's fit.
Let's go out and beat the Plastics though that will only happen if they don't get given a penalty. 2-1 Villa.
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Barkley was out on the 21st November, so its not as long as it appears.
He played grand total of one minute of that game so it's two days off eight weeks really from Arsenal away. That's a long time to be out and we don't want him starting just to pull up again after 20 minutes. Rather ease him in and start him v Liverpool to get him properly match fit for Spurs and Everton.
Anyone know how far off Trez is as he'd be another useful sub option for last 20 minutes given his workrate.
I think he will start.
As an aside Redcafe appears to have some catastrophically archetypal Yanited fans on it;
This is still a villa team that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth last year.
Keep Grealish out of the game and they don’t offer a huge amount.
We shouldn’t fear them, play to our strengths and we should win.
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Manyoo don't have a left back anywhere near as good as Chilwell.
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Manyoo don't have a left back anywhere near as good as Chilwell.
Nailed on to score now, but Luke Shaw always looks two stone overweight.
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Can't remember the last time I was so optimistic that we could beat United, despite their recent form, yes they're good going forward, but this is the weakest back 4 plus goalie, they've had for a while. Hopefully Barkley starts, or at least gets some game time and McGinn is on top form and Jack is his usual brilliant self, going 1 -2 Villa, Ollie to get the winner.
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Barkley was out on the 21st November, so its not as long as it appears.
He played grand total of one minute of that game so it's two days off eight weeks really from Arsenal away. That's a long time to be out and we don't want him starting just to pull up again after 20 minutes. Rather ease him in and start him v Liverpool to get him properly match fit for Spurs and Everton.
Anyone know how far off Trez is as he'd be another useful sub option for last 20 minutes given his workrate.
I think he will start.
As an aside Redcafe appears to have some catastrophically archetypal Yanited fans on it;
This is still a villa team that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth last year.
Keep Grealish out of the game and they don’t offer a huge amount.
We shouldn’t fear them, play to our strengths and we should win.
There's not a lot wrong with that tbf. I wouldn't exactly call that arrogance and besides it's one thing to say "stop Grealish" but it's not that simple. Even when he's been tightly marked and roughed up he still finds a way to damage the opposition. But if they think we're just entirely about Grealish they will have a rude awakening tonight.
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Stop Grealish and they still have Watkins, Luiz, McGinn and El Ghazi to concern themselves with.
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Whatever happens after today we have already come on leaps and bounds since September, but today really could be season defining. Lose and I think we will end up roughly mid table (which is still a huge achievement after last season), but win and we really could start looking at a realistic push for top 6.
Up to now we’ve still gone under the radar somewhat as a team that look capable of picking up a result on our day, but equally capable of losing or dropping points where we shouldn’t. The confidence a win at Old Trafford would give to a team on the up and challenging would be massive - I’d love to see us do it.
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What a wank kick off time. Feels like forever waiting.
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It's nowhere near the same Villa team that barely escaped relegation. If their only plan is to keep Grealish out of the game there are now other players who can do them damage - Traore, Watkins, Barkley, McGinn, AEG - who are either new or massively improved on last season's model.
And in any case, even when we were shite last season we still drew 2-2 with them and should arguably have won.
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FWIW I think Barkley's probably fit now. All the noises were that he was ready. Maybe left out against Palace as the next game was Chelsea in which he can't play(?). Have a feeling he'll start tonight.
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What a wank kick off time. Feels like forever waiting.
It kicks off as Doctor Who finishes, if that helps.
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Dean Smith said Barkley would be ready for the Palace game so I would hope he's available now.
FWIW I think Barkley's probably fit now. All the noises were that he was ready. Maybe left out against Palace as the next game was Chelsea in which he can't play(?). Have a feeling he'll start tonight.
According to the beeb:
Ross Barkley is expected to be fit for the first time since he sustained a hamstring injury early in the home defeat against Brighton on 21 November.
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Some more plastic Yanited gold:
Lads...it's Villa! Freak VAR error away from being in the Championship. Yes they've started very well but they're nothing we can't handle if we turn up. Let's put them in their place...
Why? It’s Villa. We are better then them. By a lot. They will actually play football, unlike Wolves. That suits us.
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I hope their team are of a similar casual mindset to their support.
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They'll probably wallop us now, but I have seen them against Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Man City and Leeds and with that solitary exception, they've been turgid shite.
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Oh please let us beat these. Their fans have turned up their collective asshole-atron to 12 in the last few days.
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They'll probably wallop us now, but I have seen them against Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Man City and Leeds and with that solitary exception, they've been turgid shite.
Agreed, it's the pace of Rashford that has usually been the difference. They have looked bang average to me.
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I hope their team are of a similar casual mindset to their support.
No team could ever be that far up their own arse. Their fans are to a man, utter tossers, always have been and always will be.
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They'll probably wallop us now, but I have seen them against Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Man City and Leeds and with that solitary exception, they've been turgid shite.
Agreed, it's the pace of Rashford that has usually been the difference. They have looked bang average to me.
They have looked pretty average in the league and in Europe. Rashford has performed well but for me their main man is Bruno Fernandes.
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I'm fucking staggered that somehow they're second in the table!
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Problem is with Man U fans and Liverpool fans, they don't know how to cope with losing. They have forgotten how to. My mates who are plastic Red scouse still haven't come to terms with it. We remember how to and will make sure we are a lot more humble than those twats if we do!
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They'll probably wallop us now, but I have seen them against Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Man City and Leeds and with that solitary exception, they've been turgid shite.
We need to make sure we turn up then. Who has the fittest team at this stage (of the holiday program) may decide it.
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I'm fucking staggered that somehow they're second in the table!
This.
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Looks like Barclays not even on the bench again, very strange! Could of done with him tonight
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Mings back for Hause, same as Chelsea. No Barkley on the bench according to William Hill.