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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 02:01:11 PM
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We go again. Not surprisingly unchanged. No Barkley yet, but Konsa on the bench.
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Crystal Palace XI: Guaita, Ward, Kouyate, Dann, van Aanholt, Schlupp, Milivojevic, McArthur, Eze, Zaha, Benteke.
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Shame Barkley isn’t back. Good Konsa is back in the squad.
Win please.
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This heatons first game back? Steer in the bench for West Brom
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No Barkley still is a concern...
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Expected, changes will be needed for Chelsea.
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Where the fuck is Barkley? Why does every two week injury at Villa turn into weeks and bloody weeks?!
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No Barkley still is a concern...
Not really though is it. He can’t play against Chelsea so why bring him back for 1 game and upset someone who played well against the baggies.
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No Barkley still is a concern...
And why I don’t expect us to sign him.
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Barkley might as well rest properly and be ready for the game after Chelsea. Our home record is nothing to write home about, we need to address that, starting today.
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No Barkley still is a concern...
Not really though is it. He can’t play against Chelsea so why bring him back for 1 game and upset someone who played well against the baggies.
if he was fit he would at least make the Bench.
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I wish Dean would be honest in his pressers about injuries - we're not going to see Barkley til 2021, he's parent-tied for the Chelsea game even if his hammys were up to it.
If he's going to miss half our games through injuries just fuck him off back to Chelsea.
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Barkley is back in training. I don’t think him not being included is anything more than him getting back to speed. By the end of the festive period of games he will be starting again. As will Konsa. We have played well the last few games and should have 9 points from the last three. Barkley makes us better but we still should have what it takes to beat Palace without risking a key player too quickly.
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Barkley can't play at Chelsea anyway so he would be back for this game and then miss the next one so I can see why he has been allowed extra time for recovery.
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There's a video of Barkley in his under crackers while McGinn rolls about in his turkey suit, so he must be in full training.
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Barkley is back in training. I don’t think him not being included is anything more than him getting back to speed. By the end of the festive period of games he will be starting again. As will Konsa. We have played well the last few games and should have 9 points from the last three. Barkley makes us better but we still should have what it takes to beat Palace without risking a key player too quickly.
3 games in 5 days will definitely have something to do with it
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There's a video of Barkley in his under crackers while McGinn rolls about in his turkey suit, so he must be in full training.
Have they signed for Blues?!
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Barkley can't play at Chelsea anyway so he would be back for this game and then miss the next one so I can see why he has been allowed extra time for recovery.
I've just said that in a whatts app group. Makes sense not to bring him back for one game.
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We can still do this, despite no Barkley. I have a pile of ironing looking back at me in the sitting room to crack on with it soon, as I find it impossible to relax and watch Villa, even when they're on the telly (radio only commentary is worse though, mind)!
2-1 to us. Don't care who scores.
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I said after he got injured against Brighton and the prediction was one game we would see him back for the Manure game based on Villa’s version of injury clear ups. I was only joking. Jeez.
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Another early goal would really help, hopefully an 'onside' Ollie goal if such a thing exists! Looking forward to this one.
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There's a video of Barkley in his under crackers while McGinn rolls about in his turkey suit, so he must be in full training.
That sounds like a carry on film!
Bit gutted about Barclay and bit of a concern he’s not on the bench, but maybe it is just to give him extra recovery time. Won’t be an easy game this, we really need to win at home
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There's a video of Barkley in his under crackers while McGinn rolls about in his turkey suit, so he must be in full training.
True, that's our most intensive fitness drill.
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COME ON YOU VILLA!!!!! Make my Xmas sweeter
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No Engels on the bench. Smith must really not like him very much.
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COME ON YOU VILLA!!!!! Make my Xmas sweeter
Misread this as 'make my Xmas sweater'.
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Barkley can't play at Chelsea anyway so he would be back for this game and then miss the next one so I can see why he has been allowed extra time for recovery.
I've just said that in a whatts app group. Makes sense not to bring him back for one game.
To not have him on the bench though?
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Another early goal would really help, hopefully an 'onside' Ollie goal if such a thing exists! Looking forward to this one.
It existed against the baggies. Not his fault the dumb fuckwits at VAR chalked it off. Watkins to score a brace in a 4-1 win for the Villa boys from Aston.
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No Engels on the bench. Smith must really not like him very much.
He doesn't ....but only need one centre half on bench . Surprised that one centre back is Konsa, might not be fully fit I guess.
Barkley not even fit enough for a spot on the bench is worrying
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0-0 half time, Konsa to come on as a 78th minute sub. Scores 5, 3 assists, we win 8-0 and Ezri begins to restore his tarnished '38 goals a season' reputation.
Anything less will be a bitter blow.
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Good to see Heaton back.
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Fuck me they have just showed the league table from when we played Palace last season with 4 games to go, I forgot just how down we actually were.
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0-0 half time, Konsa to come on as a 78th minute sub. Scores 5, 3 assists, we win 8-0 and Ezri begins to restore his tarnished '38 goals a season' reputation.
Anything less will be a bitter blow.
I'll have what he's having!
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If we score first, we win. If not, lose
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We are so incredibly unpredictable, I have zero idea how this match is likely to pan out.
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We are so incredibly unpredictable, I have zero idea how this match is likely to pan out.
But as your suggested in your previously measure rant that’s half the fun of it and this team specifically
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We are so incredibly unpredictable, I have zero idea how this match is likely to pan out.
This
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Bloody hell Mings
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Mings still asleep then
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Wtf was that from Traore?
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The weekly “FFS Mings” moment.
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Mings getting an early fuck up in there. FFS!
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Mad pass from Traore aswell. Great save from Martinez.
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Thank fuck Martinez was awake because Tyrone certainly wasn’t. That should be a fucking wake up call
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Wtf was that from Traore?
exactly
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That's not on Mings guys..
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Ffs.. .
And we need PWS with his scorchiosss
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Not Mings’ fault
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Great save Emi
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Mings not to blame for that Traores ludicrous pass in the wrong direction caught us out.
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Cp very compact... Will be difficult
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Both teams in white shorts and Palace with a big red patch on the front and back of their shirts. Great.
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Where is PWS anyway?
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Yessss
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FFS! RMC Sport are switching between our game and Fulham Saints. ******!
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Scoooorchioooooo!
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Traore!!!
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That'll do nicely, lovely goal!
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Great play from Watkins
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Traore!
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Traore!!!!!!!
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BERTTTT!!!!!
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what a fucking good goal that was
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Yessss!
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Yessssssss he made up for it. What a goal
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Wankers. Missed the goal live. ******.
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Well done Bert
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Yay.
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Yes! Get in! Great for McGinn, Ollie, and Traore.
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Get in!
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What a pass from McGinn
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Get in!!!
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McGinniesta back? His pass made that goal
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Lovely from El Ghazi
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Villa are a joy to watch
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I suspect he is one of those players who can be inconsistent and frustrating but I am liking Traore more game by game.
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We are good, right?
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Well on top here. A second would be nice.
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El Ghazi is looking very good indeed.
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El Ghazi started great today. Need to kept pulling the slow Palace backline all over the place.
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Villa are a joy to watch
They are, love this team, quality all over the pitch.
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Up to 6th at the moment.
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Looking good so far so hoping they keep up the tempo and slot another soon
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This team is one of the best to watch as I can remember
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If we get a second soon, we'll give this lot a proper seeing to.
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Ollie's movement is fantastic today.
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I have no idea how you have this stat, but we are the top side in the PL in terms of "pressing". But lets say that's true. What an improvement that is the side we saw last year where we stood off teams and were carved open all too often. It not only suggests tactically improvements but just a belief and togetherness we haven't seen in a long time at the club.
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I have no idea how you have this stat, but we are the top side in the PL in terms of "pressing". But lets say that's true. What an improvement that is the side we saw last year where we stood off teams and were carved open all too often. It not only suggests tactically improvements but just a belief and togetherness we haven't seen in a long time at the club.
Its the "front-foot football" we were promised 2.5 years ago. I think it just took a couple of windows to get the recruits up to the task. An absolute pleasure to watch.
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One of first games we aren't playing through jack
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Brilliant from Traore, unlucky.
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Brilliant Traore!
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I think Traore might actually be a brilliant player
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Traore is becoming the player we all hoped he would. What a lovely run and shot.
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They’ve come back in to this
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Come on Villa get the second.
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I think Traore might actually be a brilliant player
The Berkinabe Robben!
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Front line leading and pressing so well
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Ffs Mings.
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Unlucky grealish
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Jack should be finishing that.
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Argh Jack.
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Should be 2 or 3 up.
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We should be out of sight now. Get the second Villa.
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Ffs Mings.
Maybe the most concerning of our players. A year/18 months ago we all thought he could be a consistent feature of our side for many years to come. He's becoming now someone we should consider upgrading in the next 12 months.
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Argh Jack.
Was pushed and could have gone down. Real diver this lad - not!
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🤣 be positive mate
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Playing superbly going forward, had 4-5 great chances already.
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That's a penalty I think.
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Ffs Mings.
Be positive mate 🤣
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Why is VAR still looking at this?
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Fuck off, that's no penalty.
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This is going to be a penalty.
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Fuck off is that a penalty.
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fucking joke get on with it no pen
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He's going to give this
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Some of these replays for VAR are awful.
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Never a pen?
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The ball changes direction.... he’s got the ball there.
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Fucking var
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Well done ref.
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Well done ref
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Good lad ref.
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Well done Ref, stupid to send him to the screen there.
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Good decision there in the end.
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Well done ref, I thought Cashy had caught him but hardly any contact.
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var ruining the game
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Striker was pushing Cash over
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What a farce VAR is, though.
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We need a second here.
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Ridiculous that went to VAR
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nice!
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Am i stupid? That's clearly a ball by cash
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I have no idea how you have this stat, but we are the top side in the PL in terms of "pressing". But lets say that's true. What an improvement that is the side we saw last year where we stood off teams and were carved open all too often. It not only suggests tactically improvements but just a belief and togetherness we haven't seen in a long time at the club.
In the pre season we got promoted we had to rebuild a whole squad with older players, youngsters and loan players all leaving for various reasons and had to build a squad pretty much from scratch. Added to that our January transfer business wasn't great. This pre season/season we have invested wisely and well.
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We are shit hit on the break
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With all those neck tattoos, I’m concerned for Zaha if he has a job interview.
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I can't believe that was such a drawn out affair when it was clear cut and obvious to me that decision should not have gone against us in a million years.
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I'm sure Sheffield United fans will be upset at us again because we got away with a decision in our favour.
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And Leeds fans
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We really could do with taking advanatge of Palace being utterly shit at the back because they have kept the ball well, have good forwards and now have a very dangerous free kick.
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I'm sure Sheffield United fans will be upset at us again because we got away with a decision in our favour.
About bloody time we did though!
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Let the loathing and envy rain down!
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Jack having one of his quieter games at the moment
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Watkins needs to make better decisions when he gets the ball high up. He's trying to do too much at times.
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I love Martinez.
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think im little behind but ollie neds to pss th ball then
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Doug is having another good game
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Unpopular opinion no doubt but Ollie seems easily robbed of the ball to me.
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Would like to see us retain some possession for a while now
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Midfield needs to get more control.
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Unpopular opinion no doubt but Ollie seems easily robbed of the ball to me.
Nah
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I'm sure Sheffield United fans will be upset at us again because we got away with a decision in our favour.
The noses of Small Heath Alliance will be bitter forever more about that Sheffield United incident. ;D
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So are we going to get a media meltdown after Saha clearly dives for a foul?
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This is the game where i have barely noticed Jack. Well done CP
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McGinn ass move pays off
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Need to put one of these chances away.
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Lovely flowing move.
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I'm sure Sheffield United fans will be upset at us again because we got away with a decision in our favour.
The noses of Small Heath Alliance will be bitter forever more about that Sheffield United incident. ;D
And Leeds fans
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I forgot Benteke was playing until he was mentioned just now.
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Traore actually works hard. Something i didn't think we get with him
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AEG should have gone down then
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John Gregory wasn't sacked, he resigned, didn't he?
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When we have the ball and we have to take the game to them we're a bit guilty of just thinking too much at times and slowing down the play allowing them to get back into space. The mark of a classic counter attacking team that doesn't have the players to dictate at home.
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So are we going to get a media meltdown after Saha clearly dives for a foul?
Knowing me knowing you Zaha or not knowing me knowing you Saha? ;)
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John Gregory wasn't sacked, he resigned, didn't he?
correct. Apparently he and Doug had a big fight and he just had enough. He was also never afraid to have a dig at Doug publicly so it was always falling apart. That was at the time it was thought George Graham was going to be our manager.
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Watching nbcsn - and apparently it's ex Palace player commentating, and all is pro them
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Zaha is still drunk.
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Jack seems to be getting frustrated and needs to calm down
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What the fuck did Mings do to get a yellow?????
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Wasn't that a foul on McGinn by Zaha?
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Loving this edge we’ve got .
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That was poor Jack.
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Zaha seemed to be indicating Mings had committed an act of buggery on him in that confrontation.
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Fucking hell how have we not scored a second.
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Not sure what Mings did to get booked. He was just trying not to tread on Mcginn.
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Fuck me Villa. Jack not looking sharp either.
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How didn't we score
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Jack’s got to hit that without taking a touch
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Could've easily scored 4 goals this half.
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Someone really needs to get hold of Anwar and work on his finishing. So much potential
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We are pressing all over.
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Mings needs to calm down a bit
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Mings off, FFS
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This ref is an utter clown
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Bull shit, shouldn’t have a yellow in the first place
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Mings you wanker!
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Mings off. For fucks sake.
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Mings you idiot, been awful this half.
Such a stupid yellow and now this happens.
Need to get Konsa on now.
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Mings the fucking moron.
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You fucking bell end Mings. Good fucking Lord
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You fucking moron Mings.
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Stupid from Mings.
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Should be out of sight by now.
Mings isn’t very good as shown throughout this half.
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Zaha gave him a push first challenge
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Mings has had a shocker today - was awful from the first minute.
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Mings. You arse
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Stupid Mings
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AEG for Konsa
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Stupid
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Fuck off Mings you thick twat
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But Mings is fucking thick to do that
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Zaha milked that, unbelievable ref fell for it.
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We could pay here for being far too profligate.
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Fucking hell. Mings you bellend. Zaha is an equal twat and needs taking off
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He needs replacing this January. He’s a bloody liability.
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Why the hell wasn't that just a booking??!!
My bad, I didn't realise he was already on a yellow.
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FFS! Just deal with the first ball there!
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Not the brightest piece of play there by Mings.
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Zaha gave him a push first challenge
he should be stronger there.
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Saha is a cheating cnut.
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This ref is an utter clown
I don't see what the ref did wrong. Mings was on a yellow. That was fucking stupid. First he got done with the positioning as the ball came in and then he pulled Zaha back. That's a yellow all day long.
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That was really stupid. Really, really stupid.
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Mings was fouled by Zaha, but he shouldn't have responded like that; idiot.
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He can't complain. Daft challenge when he's already on a yellow.
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Why couldn't have he stayed calm till half time? Second half will be a nightmare now.
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Zaha is a fucking cheating twat as well. This’ll get evened up second half.
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Tyrone conned there and fell for it
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Not sure how you can call the ref a clown. It’s a definite yellow.
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Was it a straight red?
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This ref is an utter clown
I don't see what the ref did wrong. Mings was on a yellow. That was fucking stupid. First he got done with the positioning as the ball came in and then he pulled Zaha back. That's a yellow all day long.
It wasn't a yellow. He put his hands on his chest and he feet went out from under him?!
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Mings took a chance by putting his arms out but Saha flings himself to the ground. Again.
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Zaha had it in for Mings but Mings cannot help himself at all.
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Idiotic from Mings.
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Was it a straight red?
no
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AEG for Konsa
It's a difficult one as AEG can still get us up the pitch a bit more.
Traore playing well but feels to me he'll be a bit more of a liability in giving the ball away far more.
Indeed Traore off as I type.
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Really unlucky for Traore that
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Mings was generally losing the battle with Zaha.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
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Traore off. Are we just going to defend a 1 nil? Palace will nick something here I reckon
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If people think JAck buys fouls just watch Zaha. Got them a free kick on the edge of the box by kicking McGinn, then fouled Mcginn but got awarded a free kick for his reaction to Mings, also getting Mings booked. Then he nudges Mings before chucking himself to the floor. Absolute cnut, but the ref is worse for being fooled by it all the time. .
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Tyrone conned there and fell for it
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Mings was beaten, Zaha was through for a run at the goal and he knew it. Twat!
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Not sure I'd have taken Traore off. Maybe AEG?
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Not accepting Tyrones stupid decision but if we were 3 up like we should be there wouldn’t be an issue
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Obviously we will lose Mings for the chelski game.
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That’s really unlucky for Traore. It’s sad that it’s come to taking him off... Mings though, another “billy big bollocks” cock up from him. We need a more calm influence in defence.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
I didn;t see a second yellow looked like a straight red to me.
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While clearly a second yellow, how many times do we see a player for Liverpool, Man Ure, Citeh, etc. in similar circumstances get away with a talking to but no second yellow.
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Great from Targett there, he's improved so much.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
I didn;t see a second yellow looked like a straight red to me.
Same here.
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Obviously we will lose Mings for the chelski game.
Good, he’s been a liability for a while.
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This is going to be a real struggle. We have to keep the ball better.
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Obviously we will lose Mings for the chelski game.
That should reduce the number of potential fuck-ups.
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Allez Allez Allez is annoying enough in the flesh.
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So many chances we should have been out of sight.
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We should be 3 or 4 up and clear. Mongs has been woeful, Palace largely anonymous and the idiot has gifted them an advantage. Absolutely fucking stupid.
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This ref is an utter clown
I don't see what the ref did wrong. Mings was on a yellow. That was fucking stupid. First he got done with the positioning as the ball came in and then he pulled Zaha back. That's a yellow all day long.
It wasn't a yellow. He put his hands on his chest and he feet went out from under him?!
Eh? He was on a yellow. He got turned easily. He then put his hands on the player and he fell. It was every bit a foul as Jack's penalty win vs Albion the other day.
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Traore off!!! And not AEG. Stupid
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Mings getting pelters here. I think he's been hard done by.Saha flung himself to the ground after a touch on his chest.The cheating pos.
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Not sure I'd have taken Traore off. Maybe AEG?
Absolutely. Stupid decision.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
I didn;t see a second yellow looked like a straight red to me.
Nah you don't get a straight red for that, was too far up the pitch.
It's just a standard yellow but the problem was him being stupid with Zaha and being on a yellow on the first place.
Going to be tough now but not impossible to still get a win, we should be more than 1 up anyway.
Watkins been brilliant out wide.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
I didn;t see a second yellow looked like a straight red to me.
Same here.
If that's the case then it's very harsh. No way it was a clear goalscoring opportunity.
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This ref is an utter clown
I don't see what the ref did wrong. Mings was on a yellow. That was fucking stupid. First he got done with the positioning as the ball came in and then he pulled Zaha back. That's a yellow all day long.
It wasn't a yellow. He put his hands on his chest and he feet went out from under him?!
Eh? He was on a yellow. He got turned easily. He then put his hands on the player and he fell. It was every bit a foul as Jack's penalty win vs Albion the other day.
Yeah, its a foul in the middle of the park. It wasn't a clear chance to goal, it wasn't reckless or dangerous. It's a foul.
No one got a yellow for the late pen against WBA?!
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Mings has been a liability for ages.
Had we taken our chances though, the game would be out of sight.
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The ref definitely showed a yellow.
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The red is ridiculous in a sense the first wasn't anything and the second was a foul first.
We will lose this
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Mings getting pelters here. I think he's been hard done by.Saha flung himself to the ground after a touch on his chest.The cheating pos.
It’s a definite definite yellow.
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It was a straight red
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We should be 3 or 4 up and clear. Mongs has been woeful, Palace largely anonymous and the idiot has gifted them an advantage. Absolutely fucking stupid.
Hope you meant mings and not what you posted?
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We have to be so much better in possession in the second half.
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He shouldn’t have got the first yellow and Zaha should have been sent off.
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It was a straight red
It wasn’t.
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I reckon Zaha will walk by the end of this game too.
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It's definitely a second yellow that the camera missed, otherwise VAR could've checked it.
And it was the right decision within the rules. Maybe VAR should be able to check second yellows, but as it can't it was 100% a foul by Mings and he should be getting a very stern telling off for it.
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Silly silly boy Mings
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It was a straight red
It wasn't, Zaha managed to buy Mings 1st yellow though by winding him up after Zaha fouled McGinn and Mings was picking up the loose ball.
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It was a straight red
No it wasn't. It was a second yellow.
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No excuses for Mings. Totally unprofessional and should be hauled over the coals for that.
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Mings should've let Zaha punch him like he clearly wanted to.
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Was it a straight red?
No, he’d been booked for the spat with Zaha.
I didn;t see a second yellow looked like a straight red to me.
Nah you don't get a straight red for that, was too far up the pitch.
It's just a standard yellow but the problem was him being stupid with Zaha and being on a yellow on the first place.
Going to be tough now but not impossible to still get a win, we should be more than 1 up anyway.
Watkins been brilliant out wide.
Watkins best position in my View
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Mings getting pelters here. I think he's been hard done by.Saha flung himself to the ground after a touch on his chest.The cheating pos.
It’s a definite definite yellow.
Maybe I'm seeing it through claret and blue glasses but I definitely see a dive there. A foul? Maybe. Second yellow? Not for me.
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It was a result of poor play from Mings - he got too tight to Zaha and got done.
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Mings did nothing wrong in the 1st confrontation with zaha (the drugged up prick...have u seen his eyes). Mings was also fouled 1st in that 2nd encounter. Zaha is a cheating cnut. The ref is
f-cking useless again. What was that var penalty shout all about? F-cking shit as usual.
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Well a lot of people wanted Mings dropped. Let’s see how Konsa and Hause can do.
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The ref definitely showed a yellow.
For the second offence?
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There is no way Mings deserved a first yellow. He didnt get involved with Zaha if anything he tried to get away.
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Well fucking hell. What a half.
No idea what's coming next. However, we need to rotate players niggling at Zaha to get him to react.
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If we were more clinical in front of goal we would be well clear, poor finishing again and Mings stupidity will now see us hanging on for 45 minutes.
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We have to be so much better in possession in the second half.
In a way I don't think losing a CB is that bad as won't impact on our shape much, will just lose one extra player for the counter attack. More worried if we'd had lost a CM as then someone like Eze would get freedom of the park to pass and probe.
We will still get chances on the break just like all the teams we lost to last season once they went down to 10 men got.
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Mings has been dire all half too. From the off turning like an oil tanker. Absolutely no need to get involved in that foul on McGinn from Zaha. If we don't win this, he wants the biggest kick in the arse.
So irritating. Absolutely dominated in chances, should be clear and potentially giving these tedious shite a chance to win the game. Fucking livid.
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It was a straight red
It wasn’t.
I thought they just confirmed it on MotD? Or did I mishear? was in the other room so entirely possible.
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I think Mings should be out of the team for a while now. I think we will be better overall with Hause on left and Konza. He has this theatrics in a lot of games, it do cost us. Must be stable men at the back, then dosen t matter if he is international and can do immense things with his atlethism IMHO. Pity, we where a joy to watch until he did his second " whatever to name it".
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Mings has been dire all half too. From the off turning like an oil tanker. Absolutely no need to get involved in that foul on McGinn from Zaha. If we don't win this, he wants the biggest kick in the arse.
So irritating. Absolutely dominated in chances, should be clear and potentially giving these tedious shite a chance to win the game. Fucking livid.
Yup sums it up for me.
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What I will say is Mings foul was definitely a booking. But so was Zaha's foul on Grealish when he went through. If Jack goes down, its a pen.
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The ref definitely showed a yellow.
For the second offence?
He got booked for the Zaha flare up, BBC graphic showed it.
Where the hell is Barkley again btw, would be a good sub to bring on in this situation.
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Zaha has done Mings and the ref twice there - first yellow Mings did nothing but step over McGinn to get the ball and Zaha acted like he's been walloped.
But our tendency to self destruct wouldn't matter so much if we could just fucking finish. The chances we've missed against Burnley, Albion and today we could and should have had 15 goals.
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Really, really poor from Mings.
We'll need every ounce of team spirit and heart to win this now.
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FFS, MOTD just showed the ref showing a second yellow followed by a red.
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Well fucking hell. What a half.
No idea what's coming next. However, we need to rotate players niggling at Zaha to get him to react.
Yep he needs winding up big time
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I thought Bertie was having a great game - Id have taken off AEG instead as Bertie seemes to track back more
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It was a straight red
It wasn’t.
I thought they just confirmed it on MotD? Or did I mishear? was in the other room so entirely possible.
BBC website says it was a second yellow.
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There is no way Mings deserved a first yellow. He didnt get involved with Zaha if anything he tried to get away.
In the end though that doesn't matter because he knew he was on one. And more importantly Zaha did too. And Zaha played Mings like a charm and he fell for it.
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It was two yellows. And Barry was injured at the time.
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The ref bottled the 1st confrontation. If anything Mings prevented zaha from being sent off as the red mist had descended!
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Played so well. Very fluid. Ming's did his usual fuck up and it will probably cost us a certain 3 points. Such a shame. I noticed the diving Grealish stayed on his feet in the penalty box when he could have got a pen. Going to be agony for the second half.
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Need to wind Zaha up. He got Mings sent off. Need to turn the tables
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Idiotic first yellow and was then suckered into the second.
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Thought the ref got the decision on Mings right to be honest, though Zaha is over aggressive yet again, and could of got sent off. I would of taken El Ghazi off instead of Traore, who was again having a very good game. Also think refs having a good game and was brave effectively over ruling var.
Will be tough now, if we can just hold them off for 10 mins and grab one on the break. They look dangerous going forward, but Scott Dan is very slow at the back.
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The ref bottled the 1st confrontation. If anything Mings prevented zaha from being sent off as the red mist had descended!
Yep if Mings had gone to ground there Zaha would have been off
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I thought Bertie was having a great game - Id have taken off AEG instead as Bertie seemes to track back more
Do you not think Dean might have one eye on Monday with that substitution? He was probably our best player first half.
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Give it 10 mins then get Nakamba on for AEG
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Don’t understand the slagging Mings is getting here - he didn’t do anything on his first booking, and the second one was soft as Zaha went down like a sack of shit. Zaha was lucky not to get a red for his reaction on the first foul, and could quite easily have conceded a penalty so shouldn’t be on the pitch.
If ever Grealish behaved the way Zaha has in the first half he would get slaughtered.
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Mings can have a long look at the video of the game and then a longer one at himself.
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We can still hurt them on the counter. Just need to take our chances when they come. It will be a massive win if we can hold on.
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Mings was stupid on the second one - knowing he was on a yellow.
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Mings has been dire all half too. From the off turning like an oil tanker. Absolutely no need to get involved in that foul on McGinn from Zaha. If we don't win this, he wants the biggest kick in the arse.
So irritating. Absolutely dominated in chances, should be clear and potentially giving these tedious shite a chance to win the game. Fucking livid.
Yup sums it up for me.
Me too. Mings was turned a couple of times in the first half and looking vulnerable.
As for taking Traore off maybe the thinking is AEG will track back more and Traore will (rightly) start against Chelski so keep him fresh for that in 2 days.
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If ever Grealish behaved the way Zaha has in the first half he would get slaughtered.
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Exactly
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That second was the most obvious yellow you'll ever see.
Whether Mings deserved the first is moot, once he had a yellow that second one was unforgivable.
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That second was the most obvious yellow you'll ever see.
Whether Mings deserved the first is moot, once he had a yellow that second one was unforgivable.
Yup.
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Well we did wolves with 10 men. Alls not lost.
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Need to be really smart now. Not just crossing when there's only Watkins in the box. Played it around and the minutes will slowly tick by.
Team have shown far better game management this season so I'm hopeful.
To be a really good team you also have to prove it by winning when down to 10 men for a large chunk of the match.
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That second was the most obvious yellow you'll ever see.
Whether Mings deserved the first is moot, once he had a yellow that second one was unforgivable.
Yup.
Another yup
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Don’t understand the slagging Mings is getting here - he didn’t do anything on his first booking, and the second one was soft as Zaha went down like a sack of shit. Zaha was lucky not to get a red for his reaction on the first foul, and could quite easily have conceded a penalty so shouldn’t be on the pitch.
If ever Grealish behaved the way Zaha has in the first half he would get slaughtered.
Amen.
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That second was the most obvious yellow you'll ever see.
Whether Mings deserved the first is moot, once he had a yellow that second one was unforgivable.
Yup.
Another yup
Yup
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Wonder if Zaha will get a second yellow for diving
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Now I can no longer enjoy what was a good football match
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Good play from Ollie there.
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Now I can no longer enjoy what was a good football match
why? We play better on the counter anyway. And this is now another very good test of what we are. We need to find a way to get a result here, even if it's only a point in the end.
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Ironically we now have a better defence.
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Whether or not the first one was justified, whether or not Zaha went down easily for the second one, Mings had his hands all over him like Philip Green at the office Christmas party. It was stupid as hell.
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Ezri Konsa is so silky
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Is that not a booking for Kouyate?
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Now I can no longer enjoy what was a good football match
why? We play better on the counter anyway. And this is now another very good test of what we are. We need to find a way to get a result here, even if it's only a point in the end.
I think supporting Villa has Made me a miserable clown
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That should be a yellow for Kouyate there.
Just checked and don't think whoever hacked Jack down in first half counter attack got booked so they should have more players on a yellow than they do.
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Is that not a booking for Kouyate?
Fucking idiot ref
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Played Targett
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targett has really improved
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Is that not a booking for Kouyate?
With Mings second booking it should have been
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McGinn gives us plenty but passing simply has to be better in those situations.
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Poor from SJM
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Zaha should be off there for that dive
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dive by zaha
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Zaha is starting to fuck me off
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Zaha is a right shit
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Zaha is a greasy diving twat
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Just get jack on the ball, he'll get one of their players sent off.
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Fucking clubbers greenhouse shed are. Fucking hate them.
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Good. Jack needs to do to Palace and some of their defenders as Zaha did to Mings. Get one of their fuckers sent off
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Zaha is a disgrace but so is the ref for buying it all the time. JAck taking a leaf out of Zaha's book.
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Got to run at Milovojevic now.
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Hause did well there
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Good. Jack needs to do to Palace and some of their defenders as Zaha did to Mings. Get one of their fuckers sent off
This
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Zaha goes down quicker than a fairground balloon.
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No yellow there? He's kicked him
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Ollie looks like he’s blowing already, doubt he’ll make the 90
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How on Gods Green earth did he not get at least a yellow there ?
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That's a pen
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That's why AEG stayed on instead of Traore.
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Why no VAR then? Watkins would have got the ball?
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Good play from Villa here
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Still doing well. Need that second.
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Zaha is fucking me the fuck off.
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Doug’s having another good game
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Generally all players are working as a team. AEG my top notch
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Cannot believe no yellow for Saha or Milosovic so far. Nor a second look at that pen shout for us. Need the ref to give us a bit more here.
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Dumb challenge Matty.
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Whatever happens today this team is getting better and better. You wouldn’t believe we only have ten at the moment
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Why no VAR then? Watkins would have got the ball?
Would've liked another look at that. Even the next cross the Palace defender makes a bit of contact on him.
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Cannot believe no yellow for Saha or Milosovic so far. Nor a second look at that pen shout for us. Need the ref to give us a bit more here.
They've both got a yellow.
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Doug is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. You can see why Guardiola rated him.
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You could eat apples through a picket fence with Zaha’s teeth.
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Whatever happens today this team is getting better and better. You wouldn’t believe we only have ten at the moment
The game management is light years ahead of last season.
In this situation 12 months ago we'd just be smashing clearances into the stand every time and not be able to keep the ball for more than 3 passes.
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Palace 10/1 to win.
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Is Milovojevic not due a second yellow?
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Get in!!!!!
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Get in!!!!’
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Hause!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yesss!!!
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Zaha doing to us what Grealish does to teams every week. You'd think we'd be wiser.
The fouls are mounting against
Fuck that, Get in!
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HAUSE PARTY!
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we are the villa
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Now keep it tight.
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Doug is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. You can see why Guardiola rated him.
Yes! Intellgent.... goal
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get the fuck in
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Yesssssss
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South London shithouses.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Great from Ollie and Kortney. Now win the game Villa.
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Gerrin! Watkins so unlucky again.
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Yeeeeeeeeesssssss geeeet in
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Jaaaaa fucking jaaaa, sodannnnn! Kom so Villa!!!!
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Great ball in from AEG too...
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South London shithouses.
This!
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Jaaaaa fucking jaaaa, sodannnnn! Kom so Villa!!!!
What he said.
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HAUSE PARTY!
I was going to post "get the f*ck in" but your post was far better, take a bow ;)
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In the foul for the goal didn't Milovojevic just do exactly the same as Mings did for his second yellow?
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No way this doesn’t end 10 v 10.
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UTFV!
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Gerrin! Watkins so unlucky again.
I'm crying every week with Wakins in my fantasy team!
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I feel so bad for Watkins, right now he's absolutely battling for goals that are just not quite landing.
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I’d bring Marvellous on now.
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Palace are dirty players. How can anyone say grealish dives when he is assaulted every game
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Watkins has been superb - he's occupying their whole back line
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Jaaaaa fucking jaaaa, sodannnnn! Kom so Villa!!!!
What he said.
🤣 emotional
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And now he's hooked off to save him. Weak refereeing
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I feel so bad for Watkins, right now he's absolutely battling for goals that are just not quite landing.
he's still really lively - playing well and working hard - only a matter of time.
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In the foul for the goal didn't Milovojevic just do exactly the same as Mings did for his second yellow?
Yes. Yes he did.
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Hope that goalline technology had a few Sheffield Utd fans cursing into their mulled wine.
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Targett our MOTM today?
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Targett and Douglas have been tremendous.
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Watkins having his best game for weeks
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Would like Nakamba on now just to close things out.
Team been brilliant second half, now they need less space to cover.
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Are you watching Sheff Utd
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Hahahaha! Now fuck off back to your impossible to get to ground in tier 5!
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
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Watkins has been superb - he's occupying their whole back line
Absolutely, offers us so much.
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In the foul for the goal didn't Milovojevic just do exactly the same as Mings did for his second yellow?
I was thinking that myself.
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Watkins has been superb - he's occupying their whole back line
Agreed, top draw.
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Doug is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. You can see why Guardiola rated him.
He reminds if that Brazilian who played for Spain Senna I think his name was about 12-15 years ago
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I feel so bad for Watkins, right now he's absolutely battling for goals that are just not quite landing.
he's still really lively - playing well and working hard - only a matter of time.
I don't care if he doesn't score as long as he works this hard! A gem! Goals will come
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Targett for tonight is crosses
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No good at answering a quote Dave but I meant a second yellow for both of them. Either way grand to see us bag a second!
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
Very good thus far
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
Very good thus far
Or AEG
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Watkins needs a goal. Works so hard
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Brilliant from Jack and Ollie. Deserved a goal.
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Poor old Ollie, couldn’t score in a brothel at the moment.
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I am stood up in my lounge cheering this on as if I was stood in the Holte. Fucking love this team.
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Watkins works his bollocks off, every game.
Shame for him personally that he's not scoring, but Smith must be delighted with him.
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
Very good thus far
Or AEG
Or Dougie.
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
Very good thus far
Or AEG
Traore did 1 mistake in the opening, after that it was excellent
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Watkins has been superb - he's occupying their whole back line
Agreed, top draw.
Scared the shot out of their whole defencd
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Wahoooooo
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When Ollie scores one, they’ll start coming again. He’s doing everything right!
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Whay a fucking strike that was!
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Poor old Ollie, couldn’t score in a brothel at the moment.
True. But bigger picture gooooooool
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Boooom
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Anwar!!!!!
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Woo!
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Targett our MOTM today?
Just thinking that, so far.
Very good thus far
Or AEG
Or Dougie.
Think this shows we have a fucking team!
Would you be against us
Goal!!!!
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What a strike from el ghazi!!!!
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Target has been immense today....
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What a fucking hit.
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That'll do nicely!!!!!
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Haha! We're taking the piss!
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ZAHAHAHAHA!!!
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That is an absolute peach
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YOU BEAUTY!!!!
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Foot like a traction engine!
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F*kin have that! Merry Christmas, goodnight!
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Fair play to Dean for keeping AEG on
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Someone really needs to get hold of Anwar and work on his finishing. So much potential
Cheers! ;)
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These ten players are absolute heroes this second half. What a difference from the shower of shit that took us down.
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Watkins is a class act
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Merry Christmas Thornton Heath.
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Watkins has absolutely worked his nads off.
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Woy looks like an anal prolapse at the moment
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Finally, great finish.
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Blakey has gone all Lambert against Bradford
424 with Eze in the middle? So open and we are unreal on the break!
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Absolute worldy from AEG, brilliant. Two goals after being a man down. Heroic
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I apologise for calling El Ghazi "El Garbage" back when he was garbage.
Looks great when he's confident.
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What a team
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I haven't enjoyed watching us this much for as long as I can remember!
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I love this team!
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This is an incredible performance. 1 man down and we’re still scoring goals and preventing them from playing. Really really fantastic to see. Delighted for El Ghazi... that was beautiful.
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Targett our MOTM today?
That's a decent call so far. Olli's worked his tits off as well.
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They're terrified of our ten men! This is a seriously impressive performance.
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RMC Sports showing more of the shitty Fulham Saints no score draw game than than the mighty Villa. Cùnts.
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This is up there with performance of the season considering the circumstances
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Villa are purring.
Must be that Villa engine.
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This just needs a clean sheet and a Watkins tap in
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Targett our MOTM today?
That's a decent call so far. Olli's worked his tits off as well.
Ok! Let me know which player beside Mings hasn't been top drawer tonight????
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I'm miles behind you lot but.... Fucking hell what a strike! Get the fuck in !!
We have taken these to the cleaners here. What a display.
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This is up there with performance of the season considering the circumstances
Yep and it puts to bed the questions over our home form...
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I’d love Watkins to make it 4...
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Saints go 1 up at the cottagers.
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Benteke needs to watch some tapes of Watkins and see how it is to be a team player. :)
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Hause has been fantastic, don’t think Mings will be starting a game again for a while.
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Hause has been fantastic, don’t think Mings will be starting a game again for a while.
been commanding. Good to see
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Saints go 1 up at the cottagers.
But VAR says no.
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Eze in the book.
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Hause has not put a foot wrong. And a goal too. He deserves a crack at it now.
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Andros Townsend? Wasn’t he some great hope a few years ago?
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Andros Townsend? Wasn’t he some great hope a few years ago?
Might as well be Andy Townsend coming on for all the good it'll do them.
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Woy looks like an anal prolapse at the moment
I hope everybody had finished their Christmas dinner before reading that post ;D
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Targett doing great. In fact they all are. Mings the only let down.
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18 attempts from Villa! Are we watching something special.
Fuck still nervous
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Woy looks like an anal prolapse at the moment
I hope everybody had finished their Christmas dinner before reading that post ;D
You are welcome. What a game this is. We need to keep playing like this. Proper side this is.
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That not another yellow?!
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Ward's been booked hasn't he? How the hell did he not get sent off there?!
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Why the hell is not that a second yellow for Ward?
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Jesus how has he not scored?!!
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Hause has been fantastic, don’t think Mings will be starting a game again for a while.
As Mings tweeted himself: a team needs every player in the squad. QED.
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Ollie having no luck.
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Watkins 🤦♂️
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Love Ollie
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Poor Ollie, my goodness.
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Poor Ollie. FFS
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Fuck me. Ollie has been very good leading the line and he must wonder whether he will ever score again. First saved and then hits the post
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You can see Ollie getting more and more angry with himself. That is seriously unlucky.
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Four clean sheets in a row as well?
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Ollie is doing everything right! ❤
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Ollie you poor poor bastard.
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Oh Ollie. What a performance, just needs that goal.
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What performance!!!
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Watkins has been outstanding - so unlucky not to score.
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Superb reverse pass by Grealish.
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Watkins has been brilliant. Ok; we all want him to score. But he’s occupied their whole defence tonight.
Where as Benteke....
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Ollie could've had 4 today.
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Our best performance since????
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I might have a crush on Watkins. What a player. The goals will come.
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Special mention for Emi tonight. The most composed goalie we’ve had in ages, and has done a lot of really really good stuff tonight when he needed to.
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Our best performance since????
Last week..
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Ollie's been pretty luckless infront of goal last few weeks!
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Special mention for Emi tonight. The most composed goalie we’ve had in ages, and has done a lot of really really good stuff tonight when he needed to.
Yep he’s exceptional.
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I've noticed a lot of commentators have mentioned in our games about how 'not at their best' the opposition have been, as if the common denominator must be something other than us.
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Special mention for Emi tonight. The most composed goalie we’ve had in ages, and has done a lot of really really good stuff tonight when he needed to.
Absolutely. If he'd wanted to be flashier he could have made this look like an amazing keeping performance. But because he makes everything look so routine, it ends up looking like he's not needed to do much.
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0-0 at Fulham. FT.
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Bbc gushing over us though
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Fucking Boxing Day Villa! Ace!
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How good are we
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Match of the Day should be fun
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Our best performance since????
Last week..
Liverpool? Arsenal? Take your pick. I wonder how it is going over at the ubiquitous Small Time Alliance
'Vile Match Thread'? ;D
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For me, that was as good as any performance in recent years given the circumstances. Shades of Rotherham! Well done lads
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Absolutely brilliant
UP THE Villa