Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2020, 04:04:23 PM
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Villa Park. 27th June, 12.30pm KO.
Us 2 Them 1
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Us 0 Them 2
Cue lots of semi-literate dingles making unoriginal "mind the gap" observations.
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1-3. With no fans every game becomes a neutral ground game and looking at the results so far, post Covid break, the team with the best players wins. Has there been a single scoreline to contradict that?
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No chance with Smith in charge. 0-4
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Wolves last won an away game by more than a goal on 5th October so even though they have better players we'd have to defend really badly to get hammered.
I think they'll win but similar to how Chelsea game panned out feels logical.
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Wolves last won an away game by more than a goal on 5th October so even though they have better players we'd have to defend really badly to get hammered.
I think they'll win but similar to how Chelsea game panned out feels logical.
They beat West Ham 2-0 away last weekend.
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0-3 loss.
Wolves are a quality team. I'd take damn near their entire squad, manager and coaches over our shower, in a heartbeat.
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Too quick, too organized, too technically talented. We will be chasing shadows most of the game and then they will bring on Adama to torch a tired Matt Targett.
3-1 Wolves.
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0-3 loss.
Wolves are a quality team. I'd take damn near their entire squad, manager and coaches over our shower, in a heartbeat.
Season tickets will be available, they don't sell out.
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0-3 loss.
Wolves are a quality team. I'd take damn near their entire squad, manager and coaches over our shower, in a heartbeat.
Season tickets will be available, they don't sell out.
I've already got a hospitality hook up, (awesome bar half way up the Stan Cullis Stand) but thank you for letting me know 👍
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0-3 loss.
Wolves are a quality team. I'd take damn near their entire squad, manager and coaches over our shower, in a heartbeat.
Season tickets will be available, they don't sell out.
I've already got a hospitality hook up (awesome bar half way up the Stan Cullis Stand) but thank you for letting me know 👍
If you ever get a spare let me know, I love pork scratchings .
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Away win I'm afraid.
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Fucking hell, already?
There has to be a surprise result for us sooner rather than later.
Jammy 1 nil win, sending the flare wearing, ring road tramps into apoplexy.
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4-1 to us, Bjarnason with the pick of them.
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What Nev said.
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Defending against Adama is a scary thought.
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Defending against Adama is a scary thought.
We should see if we could sneak Hutton back in for a game, he did an absolute job on him in the play off against Boro.
Maybe put him in a blonde wig and alice band and call him 'Matt'.
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They'll beat us comfortably, some daft ****** of theirs will probably join this site and fail miserably in masquerading as one of us. Never have such an insignificant boring as fuck fanbase wanted to be noticed as much as these lot.
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They'll beat us comfortably, some daft c*** of theirs will probably join this site and fail miserably in masquerading as one of us. Never have such an insignificant boring as fuck fanbase wanted to be noticed as much as these lot.
You weren't on here on the Afternoon of the Stripes.
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1-3. With no fans every game becomes a neutral ground game and looking at the results so far, post Covid break, the team with the best players wins. Has there been a single scoreline to contradict that?
Leicester Vs Watford & Brighton, Merseyside derby, Brighton Vs Arsenal.
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Wolves have this display, a mosaic made using images of fans
(https://wolves-cdn.azureedge.net/media/13156/mosaic.jpg)
I liked it so made a mosaic using images of all their mid 80s support
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SerpentineWeightyHowlermonkey-small.gif)
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Hard to see us winning this one.
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1-1
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I think we will go down 0-2 worry (or Rosary) beads out
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-------------Nyland
Elmo, Hause, Mings, Taylor
--------------Luiz
------TBC----Nakamba
-----------Grealish
-------Davis, Samatta
I wouldn't be totally against Mings or Hause at left back either with Konsa in the middle. But we can't have Targett there getting destroyed by Traore without even putting up a fight or limping off like he did earlier in the season.
No Trez, no AEG, no McGinn, no Targett . Maybe Drinky or Ramsey for the TBC slot
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We’re saved lads and lasses, Drinkwater and Lansbury are both in contention for Saturday. Get in!!!
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-------------Nyland
Elmo, Hause, Mings, Taylor
--------------Luiz
------TBC----Nakamba
-----------Grealish
-------Davis, Samatta
I wouldn't be totally against Mings or Hause at left back either with Konsa in the middle. But we can't have Targett there getting destroyed by Traore without even putting up a fight or limping off like he did earlier in the season.
No Trez, no AEG, no McGinn, no Targett . Maybe Drinky or Ramsey for the TBC slot
I would consider three at the back for this one. Targett isolated 1v1 against their wide players is not a great prospect and if him and Elmohamady play as wing backs, we might at least get some decent balls into the box.
Think McGinn is miles off the pace and needs drop to the bench, so would bring Marvelous back in for this one to play alongside Luiz and with Grealish in front of them. Go with two up top, as we're getting very little from either Teezeguet (think he probably needs to put that nickname away now) or El Ghazi out wide.
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Targett was that bad at Wolves he took himself off. We were all bad that day.
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2-2 draw
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0-2. They are far better than us.
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I wonder if the Holy Trinity of wins v Wolves, Liverpool and Manure and the 9 points will come to pass..... If only Aston Villa did football!!
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Wolves last won an away game by more than a goal on 5th October so even though they have better players we'd have to defend really badly to get hammered.
I think they'll win but similar to how Chelsea game panned out feels logical.
They beat West Ham 2-0 away last weekend.
Sorry before the weekend game I forgot to put! Still just two away games in six months, don't think they won any in August or September. They won 2-1 at Norwich and Bournemouth so they do just enough in these games.
Even the West Ham game they didn't threaten much until they scored. Our trouble is last 30 minutes whne against good opposition we really start to flag badly and offer little in way of attacks and that's the period where Adama is coming into his own currently.
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The way a team like Wolves play is our worst nightmare, quick, skilful, hit you on the break with pace. We really wont have a clue so I'm expecting to get absolutely battered here.
0-3 the the Dogheads while their weird fans try to stir up that strange, stalker like, faux rivalry that those desperate to be relevant fans always try with us, see also Coventry City.
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We’re saved lads and lasses, Drinkwater and Lansbury are both in contention for Saturday. Get in!!!
I'm on the edge of my seat.
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Predicting a win for us but there's a wide ocean between hope and experience here.
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I wonder if we will make a couple of subs on 60 minutes.
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You mean Trez for AEG.... or for some variety AEG for Trez?
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I’d have fancied us for this one with the Holte roaring us on, but in a soulless, clinical atmosphere I think they’ll be too good for us technically and pass us off the park like Chelsea. But swings and roundabouts, think we may well have lost at Newcastle against a partisan crowd... hope I’m wrong though, would love to beat this lot!
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-------------Nyland
Elmo, Hause, Mings, Taylor
--------------Luiz
------TBC----Nakamba
-----------Grealish
-------Davis, Samatta
I wouldn't be totally against Mings or Hause at left back either with Konsa in the middle. But we can't have Targett there getting destroyed by Traore without even putting up a fight or limping off like he did earlier in the season.
No Trez, no AEG, no McGinn, no Targett . Maybe Drinky or Ramsey for the TBC slot
I would consider three at the back for this one. Targett isolated 1v1 against their wide players is not a great prospect and if him and Elmohamady play as wing backs, we might at least get some decent balls into the box.
Think McGinn is miles off the pace and needs drop to the bench, so would bring Marvelous back in for this one to play alongside Luiz and with Grealish in front of them. Go with two up top, as we're getting very little from either Teezeguet (think he probably needs to put that nickname away now) or El Ghazi out wide.
Agree with this. It would be pure negligence to allow another Targett vrs Traore match up! Just hope through luck more than intent, Smith has found more or less his 11 for the run in, in that last 10 mins at Newcastle. Can’t have the wingers anywhere near the team.
They are far better than us in every single department and their manager is far more tactically astute and seemingly more motivationally inspiring.
I predict us 2 them 1, cuz we need it and football sometimes does this.
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Yeah, I’d agree with those saying three at the back, matching them up somewhat. I’d ideally like to see something like a 4-3-1-2 going forward but that would be a bit suicidal against Wolves with the wings back and Traore.
Would say we need to have Hourihane in the team though - unless we suddenly start being a lot better and more creative in attack - his set pieces look pretty much our best chance of a goal at the moment.
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Yeah, I’d agree with those saying three at the back, matching them up somewhat. I’d ideally like to see something like a 4-3-1-2 going forward but that would be a bit suicidal against Wolves with the wings back and Traore.
Would say we need to have Hourihane in the team though - unless we suddenly start being a lot better and more creative in attack - his set pieces look pretty much our best chance of a goal at the moment.
Three at the back against these is a mistake. Don't try and match them, disrupt them. If they can't smack a long diagonal into the space behind your wing back, you've cut off most of their threat, and they end up trying to shuffle the ball on the edge of the box till Neves can have a dig.
They're an oddity in the top flight, but the best way to beat them is probably with a straight up 442 and to get a bit direct and physical with them. Pretty much like wor Steve did with them when we battered them in the second division.
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-------------Nyland
Elmo, Hause, Mings, Taylor
--------------Luiz
------TBC----Nakamba
-----------Grealish
-------Davis, Samatta
I wouldn't be totally against Mings or Hause at left back either with Konsa in the middle. But we can't have Targett there getting destroyed by Traore without even putting up a fight or limping off like he did earlier in the season.
No Trez, no AEG, no McGinn, no Targett . Maybe Drinky or Ramsey for the TBC slot
Exactly this team for me, Hourihane in the TBC slot. If we start either AEG or Trez I think I’ll cry.
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Our coaching staff should be out on the training ground drilling our defenders about keeping their shape after their collective brain fart for Newcastles goal. With this in mind I'm going for Aston Villa 2 Tipton Tramps 1.
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I wonder if we will make a couple of subs on 60 minutes.
Only if we're losing.
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3511 for this
Nyland
Konsa Hause Mings
Elmo McGinn Luiz Connor Targett
Jack
Samatta
However i fully expect:
Nyland
Elmo Konsa Mings Hause
AEG McGinn Luiz Jack Targett
Samatta
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Traore to rip us a new one - defeat - just need to keep the goal difference down.
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I wish my new bike had come. Instead, I've picked up BT Sport for a month and will watch it.
We'll be pretty shit but take the lead..... then, well it's all too predictable.
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I’d say there is zero chance of starting 2 up top having listened to Deans press call - it’s a finishing option with Jack behind front two but not to start.
Hopefully neither winger starts
Nyland
Guilbert Mings Hause Targett
Luiz Nakamba Hourihane
Grealish McGinn
Davis
Reina
Taylor
Elmo
Konsa
Lansbury/Ramsey (is Lansbury fit or Ramsey eligible?)
Drinkwater
El Ghazi/Jota (not Trezeguet!)
Samatta
Vasillev/Barry (would like to have both ideally)
We need Jack / McGinn to be ratting around Moutinho so he doesn’t have complete run of the game & we cannot play that negative garbage that we did vs Chelsea - if Doherty / Jonny spend all game bombing forward they will hurt us.
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1.0 to us when I look at the coming fixtures re Liverpool Arsenal and Manchester United and Wolves. If you had to put your life savings on one to beat it would be Wolves for me.
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1.0 to us when I look at the coming fixtures re Liverpool Arsenal and Manchester United and Wolves. If you had to put your life savings on one to beat it would be Wolves for me.
I'm glad I haven't got any life savings in that case!
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1.0 to us when I look at the coming fixtures re Liverpool Arsenal and Manchester United and Wolves. If you had to put your life savings on one to beat it would be Wolves for me.
I would have thought Arsenal was the most winnable of those & hopefully Liverpool party hard. Wolves could be a good game but fancy in Jimenez they have a striker who will be difference
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I actually think this will be the hardest of the next three.
Nuno has turned them into something of a machine. No whining about extra games, they just get on with it and keep producing results.
If we set up with extra full backs, we’ll be done for. We may as well give it go.
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Depends what you mean by 'give it a go', CT. Given the state of the table, a narrow defeat wouldn't be the end of our season. On the other hand, a comprehensive shoeing could well prove terminal.
We'll win, anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. 2-1, Hourihane free kick for the winner with a harrowing amount of time left on the clock.
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Just can't see us winning this. 0-3
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Yeah I share the pessimism. They have all the ingredients required to rip us a new one including traore bang in form, with pace and an axe to grind.
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Traore running at Targett all night with Jiminez in the middle? It's going to be horrible.
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Depends what you mean by 'give it a go', CT. Given the state of the table, a narrow defeat wouldn't be the end of our season. On the other hand, a comprehensive shoeing could well prove terminal.
We'll win, anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. 2-1, Hourihane free kick for the winner with a harrowing amount of time left on the clock.
I just think if we’re going down the route of playing Jack and whoever is on the other side as additional full backs, we’ll get a shoeing anyway.
Anyway, how long is “harrowing”. Are you saying we'll go 2-1 up with 25 minutes left? My ticker might be in a bit of bother if that’s the case!
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Depends what you mean by 'give it a go', CT. Given the state of the table, a narrow defeat wouldn't be the end of our season. On the other hand, a comprehensive shoeing could well prove terminal.
We'll win, anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. 2-1, Hourihane free kick for the winner with a harrowing amount of time left on the clock.
I just think if we’re going down the route of playing Jack and whoever is on the other side as additional full backs, we’ll get a shoeing anyway.
Anyway, how long is “harrowing”. Are you saying we'll go 2-1 up with 25 minutes left? My ticker might be in a bit of bother if that’s the case!
I agree with you mate, we've got to take it to them.
We don't disrupt teams high enough up the pitch.
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Yes mate agreed it’s our biggest failure. Jack was having to cover so much pitch to get into attacking positions. When he’s up there around the box he causes havoc, drawing defenders, turning teams inside out. I’d love to see us push higher and make teams play on the back foot but we never do.
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3-2 with Angel getting a brace. Gareth Barry will get the other. Saddam Hussein will be captured in Iraq while the match is under way.
Or 1-0 Villa, Super Tommy Johnson will knock one in off the diving goal keeper on a pitch that’s nearly devoid of grass.
Either score would do but I think we’ll be the usual passive side letting Wolves play and roll us over.
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Depends what you mean by 'give it a go', CT. Given the state of the table, a narrow defeat wouldn't be the end of our season. On the other hand, a comprehensive shoeing could well prove terminal.
We'll win, anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. 2-1, Hourihane free kick for the winner with a harrowing amount of time left on the clock.
I just think if we’re going down the route of playing Jack and whoever is on the other side as additional full backs, we’ll get a shoeing anyway.
Anyway, how long is “harrowing”. Are you saying we'll go 2-1 up with 25 minutes left? My ticker might be in a bit of bother if that’s the case!
Yep, something like that. And people thought the POF stoppage time seemed an eternity!
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Traore running at Targett all night with Jiminez in the middle? It's going to be horrible.
Yes, it would be very useful if Traore massively overslept and turned up when it's dark.
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I hope Freddie is back.
I would go with;
Nyland
Targets
Mings
House
Guilbert
Dougie
Hourihane
McGinn
Grealish
Samatta
Davis
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I hope Freddie is back.
I would go with;
Nyland
Targets
Mings
House
Guilbert
Dougie
Hourihane
McGinn
Grealish
Samatta
Davis
Sorry Ad's, but there is no pace in that midfield or forward line at all. I think he'll play at least 1 of the two wingers.
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Yeah I share the pessimism. They have all the ingredients required to rip us a new one including traore bang in form, with pace and an axe to grind.
Other than dispatching him to Mordor via the frozen North, why would he have an axe to grind with us? If anything, he owes us for not turning him into one of those really good Championship-level players.
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I know it's the wrong thread,but I've just heard Rushian Hepburn Murphy has left the club.Has any one got a deeper insight to this ? I liked him.
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I'll be out tomorrow, so thinking of watching on BT full event replay, any idea how quickly they make games available? Then the dilemma, do I check the score before?
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I hope Freddie is back.
I would go with;
Nyland
Targets
Mings
House
Guilbert
Dougie
Hourihane
McGinn
Grealish
Samatta
Davis
I’d like to see Davies and Samatta together for the rest of the season, but if you take Smith for his word in his interview today, two up top isn’t happening, unless he was bluffing, but doubt it.
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Same side, same set up, same substitutions made at same times.....regardless of score or how we are playing.
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I know it's the wrong thread,but I've just heard Rushian Hepburn Murphy has left the club.Has any one got a deeper insight to this ? I liked him.
He has. Players Released thread.
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I can’t see us getting anything. Hope I’m wrong.
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I can’t see us getting anything. Hope I’m wrong.
Thrashed?
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1-4
Sad to say, they are in a different league at this time and we are doomed
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3-2 with Angel getting a brace. Gareth Barry will get the other. Saddam Hussein will be captured in Iraq while the match is under way.
Or 1-0 Villa, Super Tommy Johnson will knock one in off the diving goal keeper on a pitch that’s nearly devoid of grass.
Either score would do but I think we’ll be the usual passive side letting Wolves play and roll us over.
Good games although I saw highlights of that cup game and we really got away with it, think Wolves hit the post/bar three times.
Bjarni strolling through their backline and firing in from 20 yards was a much more recent highlight.
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1-4
Sad to say, they are in a different league at this time and we are doomed
They don't really hammer teams, usually win by the odd goal home and away (as they did v us in the home game although they dominated that one).
Would be a really bad defensive day at the office considering West Ham and Bournemouth both kept them scoreless for an hour.
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Almost universal pessimism, interesting. It must mean we’re going to win. Or get thrashed. Or possibly draw.
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Think Dean Smith will rotate with a few as he said Villa are expected to freshen the team up vs Wolves be interesting what changes he's going to make from Newacstle
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I’m dreading this one. They are now notorious for late goals, 70 minutes plus. Now we’ve got a horrible habit for leaking goals late in the half. This could be a nightmare.
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0-2. Social Media avoided for the entire weekend, as a minimum.
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Nyland
Taylor
Mings
Chester (wish he was back!)
Elmo
Luiz
SGM
Grealish
AEG
TREZ
Ally
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Please God , no Trez nor El Ghazi. I could well be wrong but struggling to think of any match this season where either have significantly contributed in their role as wingers. Admittedly, Trez has chipped in with some important goals but this shouldn’t gloss over their all fart no shit general “contribution”.
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Please God , no Trez nor El Ghazi. I could well be wrong but struggling to think of any match this season where either have significantly contributed in their role as wingers. Admittedly, Trez has chipped in with some important goals but this shouldn’t gloss over their all fart no shit general “contribution”.
Seconded. I had some optimism regarding Trezeguet...that has gone.
El Ghazi is appalling.
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We're gonna win this, Wolves are up there as one of the hardest teams in the Premiership to beat, they have a supreme manager, Nuno Espírito Santo, but its just a hunch, this is ours, all 3 points, this is where we survive, Jack I need you to step up mate.
Through action, a man becomes a hero.
Through death, a hero becomes a legend.
Through time, a legend becomes a myth.
Through hearing a myth, a man takes action.
do it!!!.
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Please God , no Trez nor El Ghazi. I could well be wrong but struggling to think of any match this season where either have significantly contributed in their role as wingers. Admittedly, Trez has chipped in with some important goals but this shouldn’t gloss over their all fart no shit general “contribution”.
Seconded. I had some optimism regarding Trezeguet...that has gone.
I did too, thought there was a player there. He has enthusiasm and really wants to do well. He might just be a bit shit though.
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Almost universal pessimism, interesting. It must mean we’re going to win. Or get thrashed. Or possibly draw.
I hope you have a seat on that fence ;D
But I think that we are due a surprise result ( in our favour! )
Maybe we get a fluke goal, then normal service is resumed, with all backs to wall, and we break away, and sneak another.
I try to have a positive mental attitude.
I positively have attitude, but best less said about the other ::)
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4-1 to us, Bjarnason with the pick of them.
Bjarnason must come good soon, shirley?
This could be the day dat that we click. Once we have clicked, it will be downhill sailng or bunjee jumping all the way down. Pile on at these odds. Gamble sensibly. Look after your Mom and don't cross a picket line.
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Looking at where they are and where we are, you’d be a bit mad to predict a Villa win. My only glimmer of hope is that it’s a derby and if we can somehow drag them down to our level, we may be able scrape a point and hope other results go our way. The whole derby thing is pretty much negated though with no crowd behind us. I’m expecting a handy Wolves team to win comfortably, but you never know.
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Looking at where they are and where we are, you’d be a bit mad to predict a Villa win. My only glimmer of hope is that it’s a derby and if we can somehow drag them down to our level, we may be able scrape a point and hope other results go our way. The whole derby thing is pretty much negated though with no crowd behind us. I’m expecting a handy Wolves team to win comfortably, but you never know.
With a sell out crowd roaring us on, who knows.
With no fans at all, the fact we’re close geographically means nothing IMO.
Even a draw would be nice to temporarily get out of the bottom three.
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I hope Freddie is back.
I would go I hope Freddie is back.
I would go with;
Targets
I’m not sure playing two of him will be enough, but might make Dean feel confident enough to play Jack through the middle I suppose.
Nah, he’ll still play him on the left to protect the Targets.
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I have a horrible feeling we’ll get thumped.
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That game at Molineux still rankles with me.
Mings got his England call up and his team performance took a noticable dip.Doherty and Traore took advantage of our ridiculous narrowness and when we (albeit too late) decided to go on the front foot ,Wolves didn't look invincible.
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Whatever the formation, we don’t have good enough players to win unless Wolves have an off day.
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Whatever the formation, we don’t have good enough players to win unless Wolves have an off day.
Well they are due one, so fingers crossed.
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It's going to be tough but I reckon we'll put on a much improved display and come away with a point.
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I don't seem to have received any code. Oh well, not sure I want to watch anyway.
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Almost universal pessimism, interesting. It must mean we’re going to win. Or get thrashed. Or possibly draw.
The Oracle has spoken.
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Just received an email from Fitzdares bookmaker urging me to bet on today's Black Country Derby LOL!
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I don't seem to have received any code. Oh well, not sure I want to watch anyway.
I didn't get mine either but I think I put my season ticket reference in wrong.
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I haven't even been given any option to put a season ticket reference in. I wonder if it is because I transferred my Sky passes. Seems a bit rough if so because I'm basically being punished for having Sky.
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We have to lay a glove on them. Far too passive in recent performances against them.
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We've won two of the last three. So that wouldn't that be recent "performance" rather than "performances"?
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I don't seem to have received any code. Oh well, not sure I want to watch anyway.
I didn't get mine either but I think I put my season ticket reference in wrong.
I still haven’t had anything from the club about these free passes.
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Hoping the pouring rain is a bit of a leveller. Should make it harder for Traore to dribble past us.
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We've won two of the last three. So that wouldn't that be recent "performance" rather than "performances"?
I'm not counting our reserves v their reserves as having any relevance.
Since we were relegated and played them under Bruce, we've lost 3, drawn 1 and won 1. 4 dire performances where we scraped a point and didn't lay a glove on them, that's what I am alluding to and hope we avoid today.
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We have to lay a glove on them. Far too passive in recent performances against them.
I seem to remember we laid 4 gloves on them on their last visit here not so long ago.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgwNFzWkAAioEe?format=jpg&name=medium)
2 up top, Nakamba in, McGinn dropped. Can't argue with that.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgwNFzWkAAioEe?format=jpg&name=medium)
2 up top, Nakamba in, McGinn dropped. Can't argue with that.
Drinky on the bench ...
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Either a midfield diamond or Davis will play wide. Good decision to take McGinn out of the starting XI and to drop El Ghazi and Trezeguet.
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Gone with 2 up front. Dropped El Ghazi and Trezeguet. Something nearly all on here have wanted. Here we go!!
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Thank christ, both of the Useless Brothers dropped.
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Only other change I'd have made would be Elmo for Konsa. He has his weaknesses, but one of the best crossers of a ball we have.
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Seems a bit mad going with so little width and then choosing not to play Elmo to make up for it a bit. Wonder if we bring a winger on when they bring Traore on.
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Only other change I'd have made would be Elmo for Konsa. He has his weaknesses, but one of the best crossers of a ball we have.
Agree with that. Not much use having two up front if no-one can cross.
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Driving back from Telford, seen a bloke in a park in Tetnal (wolves territory) wearing a Villa top, fair play, hope it's a good omen.
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I so hope this system works today.