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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on March 10, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
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Unsure as to when Steer returns and Heaton is out, so...
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Nyland
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Play rushback goalie, it can’t be any worse.
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Nyland.
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Play rushback goalie, it can’t be any worse.
Reina trotted back.
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Even in some of his better games, Reina was prone to flapping at the ball a lot. He's also been shocking in the last couple of games.
Nyland looks a lot more composed and assured. There's no way Reina should be keeping his place. As poor as we were yesterday, that first goal switched Leicester up a gear and made their turnaround a lot easier. By the time Mings gives away a needless penalty (debatable as that touch was, what on earth kind of fucking body position was he going for?) we're dead. If Reina stayed in position, we kept it out, frustrated them a bit longer, who knows how the game might have gone. What you don't do is make it so bloody easy by sheer lunacy.
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Nyland. Jed on the bench, even if he's still injured.
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Nyland was playing well before Reina arrived apart from the City game which wasn't exactly his fault. I think Reina's been more of a liability than Nyland and Nyland is a better shot stopper - I reckon he'd have done better with both Bournemouth goals for example.
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Nyland. Jed on the bench, even if he's still injured.
Yes....
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Reina should never wear the shirt again after his performances at Southampton and Leicester. He looked decent in a few games but he’s just another liability to add to the list. Nyland has improved significantly and has barely put a foot wrong when he’s been called upon.
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Nyland. He's ours, give him the chance. Reina, another poor, slapdash panicky January signing that showed the recruitment team are all over the shop.
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Nyland.
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Jim Cumbes
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I am very surprised at Nyland and the dramatic improvements he has made. Fair play to him.
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Nyland definitely!
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Nyland, I wouldn't pick Reina again not even on the bench.
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Don't you just love redemption stories?
I was at SheffU when Nyland conceded 4 and Bernard Cribbins was in the departure lounge: then, the general concensus was that Nyland should never play for us again.
He has found his mojo and looks cool and confident, even in this porous team.
He should have the gloves.
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Nyland all day long.
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Model looks and looking like a model pro. Give him the jersey.
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Nyland, just cancel the loan of Reina, I'll happily drive him home.
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Nyland, just cancel the loan of Reina, I'll happily drive him home.
You've got no chance of getting anywhere near Milan
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Nyland, just cancel the loan of Reina, I'll happily drive him home.
You've got no chance of getting anywhere near Milan
Dover Docks is close enough.
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Just don't really know anymore
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Nyland dosen't convinced me as a week in week starter. Was awful in the championship last year and while he's done very well in his cup cameos he was very lucky tonight.
I'd look to move him on in the summer. We know Steer is capable if we go back down and I think Heaton will stick around whatever division we're in so that's more than enough.
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I’d have Nyland over Reina and I think Steer maybe injured?
I’m really (as always) just basing that on perception. Nyland was quality in the LC semi and Reina had a few shockers prior to lockdown. I think I’d probably prefer Steer over Reina too if he’s available.
Anyway Nyland’s got the shirt now and kept a clean sheet (kind of) so it’s his to lose now. I don’t even blame him for the non-goal really. He looked like he was struggling to balance after he claimed the ball and then got a nudge off our defender which tipped him backwards.
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Just seen the 'ghost goal' - Jesus H we got away with that one. Not sure it was Nylands fault though as Davis shoves in to him. Id still keep him in personally.
Love the way we appealed for a foul on the keeper before realising it was our own player too.
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... Anyway Nyland’s got the shirt now and kept a clean sheet (kind of) so it’s his to lose now. I don’t even blame him for the non-goal really. He looked like he was struggling to balance after he claimed the ball and then got a nudge off our defender which tipped him backwards.
That's how I saw it: Nyland not blameless.
He looks composed and in sync with his defence.
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I thought Nyland claimed that wicked, in swinging free kick very well until Davis clattered into him. Overall, he is very good on crosses. I'd stick with him.
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I thought Nyland claimed that wicked, in swinging free kick very well until Davis clattered into him. Overall, he is very good on crosses. I'd stick with him.
Yep.
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I like Nyland, but he still looks shit scared most of the time, maybe it’s just his natural resting face?
I’m not convinced he dealt with ‘that’ cross well and he certainly flapped at it.
BUT, he had the presence of mind to get the ball back over the line and back in play as quickly as possible.
Fair play to him for that, and his handling and positioning for the rest of the game was pretty spot on.
Continue with him as number 1, for me.
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He got a clean sheet. He keeps the shirt. I don't t give a shit about the ball crossing the line. He did enough.
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Give Jed the shirt. Nyland was great in the semi finals but gifted a goal yesterday even if it wasn't given. Reina 3rd choice.
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Nyland has done enough for me over the season to make him the first choice.
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Give Jed the shirt. Nyland was great in the semi finals but gifted a goal yesterday even if it wasn't given. Reina 3rd choice.
He didn't gift a goal. He caught the ball and was knocked into his own net.
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Reina has been mostly OK but sometimes awful. Nyland has been mostly good but sometimes awful. Is Kalinic still here?
Rarely can a club have had so many goalkeepers and still not have a decent back up. I'd go with Nyland, but am looking forwards to having Heaton back next season!
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Let's bring back Burridge.
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Give Jed the shirt. Nyland was great in the semi finals but gifted a goal yesterday even if it wasn't given. Reina 3rd choice.
He didn't gift a goal. He caught the ball and was knocked into his own net.
To be fair he made a complete faff of it , if he had caught the ball cleanly he would never have been pushed back into his own net.
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When the ball is swung in the outcome shouldn't be a defender bundling his own keeper into the net with the ball. Whether it was a freak accident or somebody wasn't paying attention I don't know. Still, we got away with it.
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The fact it ended up in the net means he made a hash of it.
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It didn't end up in the net though, which is why we got away with it.
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Nyland simply isn't a week in week out starter for me. He's done well in the cup cameos but we saw last year relying on him every week in championship wasn't a great success and I can see more errors if he plays rest of the season.
Not sure what we do though as Reina has declined from his early games and Steer probably isn't up to speed.
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The fact it ended up in the net means he made a hash of it.
So following your logic, if a keeper makes a catch or save and is then pushed over into the goal by another player it's the keepers fault?
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The fact it ended up in the net means he made a hash of it.
So following your logic, if a keeper makes a catch or save and is then pushed over into the goal by another player it's the keepers fault?
It was him struggling to deal with another high ball, he really struggled with that last season. Can remember a game where corner came in, no one challenged him and he just dropped the ball and luckily it went out for another corner.
He could've tipped it over the bar or just punched it clear out of the box. Other teams will be watching that and so will be slinging wide free kicks right under the crossbar to see what he does.
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Let's bring back Burridge.
He's injured. Bloke him arm jumping off a wardrobe during lockdown.
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If it was a choice between Nyland and Reina then we have got to stick with Nyland, but I don't know what Jed Steer has done that so many people clearly don't rate him. He was absolutely crucial in getting us promoted, and he is honestly probably the only keeper we have had in the last 5 or 6 years who hasn't had me sh@tting myself whenever he goes near the ball (and I'm including Heaton in that list because as commanding as he is and good as some of his saves have been, he is still prone to the odd mindfart).
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has reina's loan been extended yet?
nyland didn't have a lot to do yesterday, but the way he flapped at the 'goal' hardly inspired confidence. every opponent would have been watching that and taking note.
jed steer has been out for six months and only started training again last month. if he's ready and sharp, i'd put him in ahead of nyland.
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Nyland caught the ball and KD collides with him while Nyland is coming down from the jump and only has one foot on the floor, there's no way he is at fault for it.
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Why do people heep saying he flapped at the ball? He caught the fucking thing.
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Why do people heep saying he flapped at the ball? He caught the fucking thing.
Cos it's what they said on the telly and they are always right!
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It was a ball he failed to deal with and it was a goal that only wasn't given by a miraculous set of circumstances. Of course it was his fault.
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It was a ball he failed to deal with and it was a goal that only wasn't given by a miraculous set of circumstances. Of course it was his fault.
He did deal with it as he caught it. He was then knocked into his net.
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It was a ball he failed to deal with and it was a goal that only wasn't given by a miraculous set of circumstances. Of course it was his fault.
He did deal with it as he caught it. He was then knocked into his net.
They scored FFS! He made a complete bollocks of it. Whose fault would you say it was?
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It was a ball he failed to deal with and it was a goal that only wasn't given by a miraculous set of circumstances. Of course it was his fault.
He did deal with it as he caught it. He was then knocked into his net.
They scored FFS! He made a complete bollocks of it. Whose fault would you say it was?
I watched it again several times. It was a good clean catch. There's no way he ends up in the goal if not bumped. It was a feak collision, but if anyones fault it has to be KD.
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He caught the ball, as he should. If KD didn't collide with him there would be no issue. No matter how many times you say it, he didn't make a complete bollocks of it.
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My own view is he's getting a free pass because it didn't get given. If you're at risk of carrying the ball over the line you shouldn't catch it. He should have tipped it behind or punched it. No matter how many times you say otherwise it was a bad error.
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He wasn't at risk of carrying it over until KD collides with him. Whether it was given or not does not change that. If that was Billy Sharp and not Keinan i'm pretty sure that every single person on here would be saying it was a foul on the keeper rather than a keeper error.
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My own view is he's getting a free pass because it didn't get given. If you're at risk of carrying the ball over the line you shouldn't catch it. He should have tipped it behind or punched it. No matter how many times you say otherwise it was a bad error.
He wasnt at risk of carrying it over the line. Watch it from the side line angle - he comfortably catches it and is not going towards goal. He only falls over when bumped by KD.
By your rationale no keeper should ever catch a cross in case some clumsy brick shithouse barges them over the line.
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I rate Nyland, Reina and Steer. I can't see how Nyland can be blamed for last nights goal when he was barged back over his line by his team mate. If it had been an opposition player instead of his own team mate a foul would have been given. Although maybe not given last nights officiating mistakes. All things being equal I think I would go with Steer, although I am guessing performances in training will help the coaching staff decide.
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It definitely wasn't a clean catch. There was a little juggle/near drop beforehand wasn't there?
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It definitely wasn't a clean catch. There was a little juggle/near drop beforehand wasn't there?
It was a wicked ball and a decent catch. Maybe a little juggle but control never looked in doubt.
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My first reaction last night was that Nyland flapped at it. I’ve watched it over and over tonight from various angles and imo Nyland took the catch quite comfortably and could do absolutely nothing about Keinan being right there in front of him who knocked him over the line. No way is Nyland to blame and should keep his place for now no question.
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Sometimes in football things are up for debate and opinions are varied
However the fact is Nyland was falling , stepping , retreating backwards !! And he alone was at fault.
He fumbled the ball and stumbled backwards .
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If KD doesn't collide into him there is no way Nyland was going backwards into the net.
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Sometimes in football things are up for debate and opinions are varied
However the fact is Nyland was falling , stepping , retreating backwards !! And he alone was at fault.
He fumbled the ball and stumbled backwards .
You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts... you even said he lost us the game...
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It was a ball he failed to deal with and it was a goal that only wasn't given by a miraculous set of circumstances. Of course it was his fault.
He did deal with it as he caught it. He was then knocked into his net.
He caught the ball cleanly then KD knocked into him as he came down.
If he’d have tipped it away he’d have been accused of bottling the catch!
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Sometimes in football things are up for debate and opinions are varied
However the fact is Nyland was falling , stepping , retreating backwards !! And he alone was at fault.
He fumbled the ball and stumbled backwards .
No he didn’t
If not for the collision with KD we wouldn’t be have this debate.
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Steer is the most reliable of the 3
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Sometimes in football things are up for debate and opinions are varied
However the fact is Nyland was falling , stepping , retreating backwards !! And he alone was at fault.
He fumbled the ball and stumbled backwards .
No he didn’t
If not for the collision with KD we wouldn’t be have this debate.
He makes an initial move to come for the ball, then back tracks as it looks as tho it's going over his head. He catches it at the 2nd attempt between his arms & is then bumped over the line by KD.
Once he misjudged his 1st step forward his concentration confidence had gone. Full concentration & KD wouldve bounced off him as he wouldve been stronger under foot.
He flapped it.
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Reina for me for his experience. Nyland did well when he came in recently but overall has always looked nervous and that spreads.
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Reina for me for his experience. Nyland did well when he came in recently but overall has always looked nervous and that spreads.
You have to bear in mind though that Reina has dropped a couple of clangers too.
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Reina for me for his experience. Nyland did well when he came in recently but overall has always looked nervous and that spreads.
You have to bear in mind though that Reina has dropped a couple of clangers too.
Nyland struggles to reach for the ball let alone the heights , or even half the heights , of Reina career though.
There's no comparison with that.
Reina far more dependable and proven overall.
But currently neither are looking great. I sway to Reina though.
I miss Steer and Heaton and do favor them
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Reina was awful and spread complete panic with his centre halves, Mings in particular.
Nyland has dropped a clanger in each game so far but has got away with it. He needs to stay in the team.
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Nyland gamely clanger this week was trying to throw the ball in his own net .
What's he playing at ?
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Nyland struggles to reach for the ball let alone the heights , or even half the heights , of Reina career though.
There's no comparison with that.
Reina far more dependable and proven overall.
But currently neither are looking great. I sway to Reina though.
I miss Steer and Heaton and do favor them
After today, I'm inclined to agree with you. Nyland looks like making a clanger every game. Reina isn't Mr Reliable either but I think he's now a better bet than Nyland.
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I know we’re shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but I’d absolutely put Jed Steer back in now.
If we drop, he’s likely to be our No.1 next season (I don’t think Heaton will stay) , so let’s play him.
Nyland has reverted back to the nervous wreck he looked when we first saw him in the Championship, which is a shame as there had been a marked improvement earlier on during the cup games.
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He's another Enkleman, has a comical, disasterous rick in him. Very poor scouting again.
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I know we’re shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but I’d absolutely put Jed Steer back in now.
If we drop, he’s likely to be our No.1 next season (I don’t think Heaton will stay) , so let’s play him.
Nyland has reverted back to the nervous wreck he looked when we first saw him in the Championship, which is a shame as there had been a marked improvement earlier on during the cup games.
Is Steer actually available as one of our nominated squad?
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Yes, I just think he is recovering from injury. Pretty sure it is Heaton that is not part of it.
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Nyland's is a strange case, he's always looked a little nevous but he's got far, far worse playing in empty stadiums, which is a surprise.
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Bloody hell. Just noticed Nyland is 30 later this year. I thought he was about 22 or 23.
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Steer will be first choice while Heaton rehabilitates. It seems that we're in for Martinez. He's rejected a contract offer and Arsenal are supposedly looking for a replacement so there's a good chance and dependent on agreeing a fee.
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Martinez reckons there are 10 clubs across Europe interested in signing him.
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Martinez reckons there are 10 clubs across Europe interested in signing him.
Are they as wedged up as us though?
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Martinez reckons there are 10 clubs across Europe interested in signing him.
There’s only one Aston Villa, though 👍
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I don't get this. Is Heaton's injury worse than I think? Or Steer's? Just play Jed for a few weeks. He's more than capable.
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I believe Heaton is due back around October. No idea about Steer but if he is match-fit I'd go with him from the start until Heaton is ready. The rest are just not good enough at this level.
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I think its like everywhere else if there's an opportunity out there to go and get better you take it.
I wouldn't have prioritized the right back spot for example.
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I think its like everywhere else if there's an opportunity out there to go and get better you take it.
I wouldn't have prioritized the right back spot for example.
Yeah, because we can only pursue one player at a time
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I think its like everywhere else if there's an opportunity out there to go and get better you take it.
I wouldn't have prioritized the right back spot for example.
We probably didn't but Cash was available there and then with other suitors likely. We would have had to have moved faster for him.
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Why is Reina in the poll? Didn’t he go back to Juve? I’d be very happy if we pushed the boat out for Martinez. Seems like a lot, but we’ve now signed Watkins and you can’t fk about with keepers. I’d have been reasonably happy with Steer or Nyland starting until Heaton gets fit, but if we’re looking to get Martinez, get it done. Long term prospect.
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Why is Reina in the poll? Didn’t he go back to Juve? I’d be very happy if we pushed the boat out for Martinez. Seems like a lot, but we’ve now signed Watkins and you can’t fk about with keepers. I’d have been reasonably happy with Steer or Nyland starting until Heaton gets fit, but if we’re looking to get Martinez, get it done. Long term prospect.
Look at the date the thread was started.
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I'll be happy if we get Martinez. We've seen the difference a top keeper can make and he seems pretty damn good to me.
To have him and Heaton as our two keepers would give us a really solid look and we'd have no need to worry.
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If Heaton has his eyes on the Euro's next year then he will be mightily pissed off that a new keeper who wants regular football is coming in.
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I would also be happy with Martinez he's a good keeper.
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I think its like everywhere else if there's an opportunity out there to go and get better you take it.
I wouldn't have prioritized the right back spot for example.
Yeah, because we can only pursue one player at a time
Maybe he means he wouldn't have spent £16m on a right back? Neither would I. I'm happy with Cash, but would have been OK with Guillbert and Elmo with the money spent elsewhere.
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I think its like everywhere else if there's an opportunity out there to go and get better you take it.
I wouldn't have prioritized the right back spot for example.
Yeah, because we can only pursue one player at a time
Maybe he means he wouldn't have spent £16m on a right back? Neither would I. I'm happy with Cash, but would have been OK with Guillbert and Elmo with the money spent elsewhere.
yes. prioritize was the wrong word to use.
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If Heaton has his eyes on the Euro's next year then he will be mightily pissed off that a new keeper who wants regular football is coming in.
Then he simply has to show and prove he is our number one choice.
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It's Nyland's birthday today.
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If Heaton has his eyes on the Euro's next year then he will be mightily pissed off that a new keeper who wants regular football is coming in.
Then he simply has to show and prove he is our number one choice.
Or move on of course.
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Been struggling to get my head around the keeper move until I saw this:
https://www.90min.com/posts/every-premier-league-goalkeeper-in-2019-20-ranked-by-save-percentage
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Been struggling to get my head around the keeper move until I saw this:
https://www.90min.com/posts/every-premier-league-goalkeeper-in-2019-20-ranked-by-save-percentage
Sums it up perfectly. That we had three keepers in the bottom third of that list is pretty bad going isn't it?
Get rid of the worst of the 28 (having already got rid of one of the others) and bring in the best is a good plan.
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Been struggling to get my head around the keeper move until I saw this:
https://www.90min.com/posts/every-premier-league-goalkeeper-in-2019-20-ranked-by-save-percentage
There's a lot more to goal-keeping than just stopping shots. And if a goalkeeper is behind a good defence he will probably only have a few easy long range shots to deal with in a game.
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I appreciate that. Arsenal defence is a notorious bombscare though.
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I appreciate that. Arsenal defence is a notorious bombscare though.
Their improvement under Arteta seemed to coincide with Martinez playing.
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He gave Keinan a free pass to break his duck, he must be a Villa fan.
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So GK situation for season 20/21 Martinez for number one then
Steer and Heaton to stay
And Kalanic and Nyland to be moved on.
Sounds about right , right ?
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Is Mark "Bunny" Bunn still around the place too, playing poker with Salifou in the old director's lounge ?
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So GK situation for season 20/21 Martinez for number one then
Steer and Heaton to stay
And Kalanic and Nyland to be moved on.
Sounds about right , right ?
Sounds good to me mate. Hopefully we can shift Nyland and Kalinic, but wouldn't be too confident in doing so.
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So GK situation for season 20/21 Martinez for number one then
Steer and Heaton to stay
And Kalanic and Nyland to be moved on.
Sounds about right , right ?
Would be ideal.
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Yep, I agree with Vill I An's, as usual, unique and impeccable sources and insight.