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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Charlie8182 on February 03, 2020, 08:57:30 PM
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Following the infamous battle of Brum 1983, I guess in relation to the Noel Blake head butting incident with Steve McMahon.
https://youtu.be/Vqe6tA2r9ow
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Following the infamous battle of Brum 1983, I guess in relation to the Noel Blake head butting incident with Steve McMahon.
https://youtu.be/Vqe6tA2r9ow
We had just got our first video recorder and I think the brief Monday night Central TV footage of that game may well have been the first thing I 'taped'.
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Wasn't that the game where Macmahon cut one of their players in half with a 2 rooted challenge. I got a feeling that Hopkins might have laid into Walters very early which set the tone somewhat.
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Wasn't that the game where Macmahon cut one of their players in half with a 2 rooted challenge. I got a feeling that Hopkins might have laid into Walters very early which set the tone somewhat.
Steve McMahon steamed into Kevan Broadhurst in the centre circle resulting in Mick Harford trying to throttle McMahon, who I think was still on the ground at that point. Then after the final whistle McMahon held his fingers up to let Noel Blake know the final score and Blake headbutted him. It was that kind of day.
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It's a brave man that sticks his fingers up to Blake without breaking into a sprint first. Didn't Spink save Blake's pen 2nd half. Maybe it was a different game.
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I remember watching the 93 cup game v them on YT. That goal Saunders scored when it rebounded off a SHA player and he ran on to score. He was also in his own half at the time.
Remember Jimmy being adamant he was offside. Newborn knew he wasn't and kept on teasing him about it. Pretty sure he also thought Paul Tait should've got a yellow!
Legend as a player obviously but struck me he was a bit of a stating the bleeding obvious as a pundit like so many employed today.
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Him and Cooper are very funny
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Jimmy Greaves is 80 today, which means in that first video, he is 43! Blimey, I'm two years older than that now and hope I look a little more youthful.
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You can relax. He'd have been 53.
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43, usav is right
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Watched the BT sport documentary about him the other day His goal scoring record is second to none and would have scored lots more for England if he continued playing. Was always very funny on the telly, I think he co commentated on our first game against Inter iirc.
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43, usav is right
No he isn’t, 53 plus 27 is 80.
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He's talking about the first video
1983-43 = 1940
Winky emoji
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Him and Cooper are very funny
Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".
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I read Jimmy Greaves' two autobiographies years back. The were very good. Gary Newbon and Jimmy Greaves had a massive fall out over the ITV Sporting Triangles quiz show. Gary Newbon was a producer on the show and had poached Emlyn Hughes from the BBC and A Question Of Sport. Part of the deal involved the contestants wearing jumpers from Emlyn Hughes clothing brand. Greaves didn't like Hughes and refused to wear the jumpers on air until Newbon referred him to the contract he had signed and threatened to sack him if he didn't wear the jumpers.
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Watched the BT sport documentary about him the other day His goal scoring record is second to none and would have scored lots more for England if he continued playing. Was always very funny on the telly, I think he co commentated on our first game against Inter iirc.
I've got both the argument with Gary Newbon and the above mentioned 2-0 win v Inter Milan on old VHS tapes somewhere in my garage - I'm due a sort out soon and once I've found them will give them both another viewing.
I always refer to the 1-0 win against the rags in October 1983 as the 3rd "Battle of Villa Park - the first being against Albion in 1977 and the second being against Barcelona earlier in 1983. The game was definitely X rated stuff and today it probably would've ended up about 8 a side. I remember even the normally mild Dennis Mortimer squaring up to Harford after an incident in the water in front of the old Witton Lane stand. I still smile when I see Greavsie putting his case and laugh even more when I think about Peter Withe's winning goal and Nigel Spink's late penalty save. My 40 year old nephew if the games against the rags were "tasty" and maybe apart from the 0-2 defeat in 2003, I doubt there was a more violent game than this.
On a happier note - that 2-0 win v Inter in 1990 was one of the great nights at Villa Park - how I enjoyed watching it again the next night with as said earlier Jimmy Greaves co commentating alongside Brian Moore being the main man.
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I've not watched the Inter game back in all the years since. Is a decent-ish quality version knocking about online anywhere?
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It's on Youtube:
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To this day I still reckon that the 1990 Inter game was right up there for goal celebrations on The Holte. After the second goal I had totally lost all of the mates I always stood with and I am not sure I was still in the B6 post code area. It was ages before we all regrouped together.
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Talking of Saint and Greavsie ( which we weren't)....
any excuse to trot this one out again
Even Doug gets a mention
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Him and Cooper are very funny
Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".
Stonewall.sending off and legitimate goal, Greavsie is moaning that the linesman didnt agree with his incorrect viewpoint.
Pillock. Always thought he was a lazy pundit. Then again Lawro superseded him there.
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Yes, not a great moment for Jimmy, especially bearing in mind his friendship with the then SH manager, Barry 'What do you mean I've only signed six players this week' Fry.
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Watched the BT sport documentary about him the other day His goal scoring record is second to none and would have scored lots more for England if he continued playing. Was always very funny on the telly, I think he co commentated on our first game against Inter iirc.
I've got both the argument with Gary Newbon and the above mentioned 2-0 win v Inter Milan on old VHS tapes somewhere in my garage - I'm due a sort out soon and once I've found them will give them both another viewing.
I always refer to the 1-0 win against the rags in October 1983 as the 3rd "Battle of Villa Park - the first being against Albion in 1977 and the second being against Barcelona earlier in 1983. The game was definitely X rated stuff and today it probably would've ended up about 8 a side. I remember even the normally mild Dennis Mortimer squaring up to Harford after an incident in the water in front of the old Witton Lane stand. I still smile when I see Greavsie putting his case and laugh even more when I think about Peter Withe's winning goal and Nigel Spink's late penalty save. My 40 year old nephew if the games against the rags were "tasty" and maybe apart from the 0-2 defeat in 2003, I doubt there was a more violent game than this.
On a happier note - that 2-0 win v Inter in 1990 was one of the great nights at Villa Park - how I enjoyed watching it again the next night with as said earlier Jimmy Greaves co commentating alongside Brian Moore being the main man.
I think the October '83 derby at Villa park was the nastiest for on pitch behaviour. For nastiness in and around the ground I would go for Boxing day 1982. The two games in 2002/2003 were moody on and off the pitch, particularly the 'second leg' at Villa Park. Absence clearly doesn't make the heart grow stronger, it just makes the hatred stronger. I don't recall our two league cup ties in 1988 or the two ties in 1993 being anywhere near the nastiness and hatred of the two Premier league games in 2002/2003. I was in Australia for the game at the sty in December 1987 but I understand from those who were at the game that it was 'rather lively'.
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December 1987. Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again.
Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop. Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty. How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.
Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End. They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours. Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car. Happy days.
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Yeah 1987was proper bandit country. People were getting chucked out from an hour before until into the 2nd half. Some prick tried to trip me up down green lane way - I was on crutches at the time with a bust leg. Anyway the prick got said crutch over his head by my Dad's mate who I had went with.
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Yeah 1987was proper bandit country. People were getting chucked out from an hour before until into the 2nd half. Some prick tried to trip me up down green lane way - I was on crutches at the time with a bust leg. Anyway the prick got said crutch over his head by my Dad's mate who I had went with.
Go and stand in the corner and have a good think about what you've done.
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I don't recall our two league cup ties in 1988 ... being anywhere near the nastiness and hatred of the two Premier league games in 2002/2003. I was in Australia for the game at the sty in December 1987 but I understand from those who were at the game that it was 'rather lively'.
December 1987. Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again.
Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop. Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty. How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.
Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End. They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours. Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car. Happy days.
Mad, innit. I was at all three games, wouldn't have missed one for the world back then. League game, as mental as you say, they always were. Those Cup games, I went to both with a couple of nose mates, and we stood on the kop at theirs, then on The Holte back at ours, with not a hint of naughtiness.
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December 1987. Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again.
Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop. Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty. How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.
Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End. They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours. Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car. Happy days.
I remember us singing ‘There’s only six thousand Blues fans.’
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Him and Cooper are very funny
Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".
Stonewall.sending off and legitimate goal, Greavsie is moaning that the linesman didnt agree with his incorrect viewpoint.
Pillock. Always thought he was a lazy pundit. Then again Lawro superseded him there.
I had to lawyer up and go to court about ten years back. I have no idea how the subject came up but in one conversation with the guy representing me he told me that he had represented Paul Tait in court so many times he had lost count.
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After the Greaves Newbon argument I had a letter published in the Shoot magazine, arguing against Greaves. Got five quid for it as I remember. Does anyone have any idea how I'd be able to find it?
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After the Greaves Newbon argument I had a letter published in the Shoot magazine, arguing against Greaves. Got five quid for it as I remember. Does anyone have any idea how I'd be able to find it?
You’ve probably spent it long since, mate. And I think the notes have changed since then so they’re no longer legal tender anyway.
Try eBay. I found the 2000AD on there I’d had a letter printed in.
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After the Greaves Newbon argument I had a letter published in the Shoot magazine, arguing against Greaves. Got five quid for it as I remember. Does anyone have any idea how I'd be able to find it?
You’ve probably spent it long since, mate. And I think the notes have changed since then so they’re no longer legal tender anyway.
Try eBay. I found the 2000AD on there I’d had a letter printed in.
Is that right?
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Yes indeed.
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"I saw one of those old five pound notes the other day"
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Yes indeed.
What do you do with the old ones then?
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I think the banks would exchange them for some time afterwards.
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I think the banks would exchange them for some time afterwards.
Thank God for that.
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Him and Cooper are very funny
Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".
Stonewall.sending off and legitimate goal, Greavsie is moaning that the linesman didnt agree with his incorrect viewpoint.
Pillock. Always thought he was a lazy pundit. Then again Lawro superseded him there.
I had to lawyer up and go to court about ten years back. I have no idea how the subject came up but in one conversation with the guy representing me he told me that he had represented Paul Tait in court so many times he had lost count.
Just listening to Greaves afterwards, this can be chalked up as another one of those moral wins for Birmingham City. Their honours board in relation to these types of battling wins is unsurpassed anywhere in world football.