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Title: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Watford have some decent players but the one thing you can guarantee is as limited as it is long term Pearson will have them very fired up for this game. We will need to compete at that level as well as technically outplay them. I don’t know how much faith I have in us raising our game on both counts. A draw might actually be a decent result as much as a win would be massive right now.

1-1
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 26, 2019, 05:50:38 PM
We will get bullied. Despite 3 points today, I'm not confident of even a draw at Watford.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2019, 05:50:46 PM
Can't see us getting anything from this game, when we need it most.  Massive game which could turn our season.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2019, 05:56:56 PM
D 1-1. When is it?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: KRS on December 26, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
This is a DO NOT LOSE. A win is always needed but a draw would be acceptable given the state of the table. We need to start getting more points on the board, and our performances will get better with confidence from not losing week in week out.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: aj2k77 on December 26, 2019, 06:01:31 PM
Overwhelmed. Not enough iron or backbone and we won't pose a threat up the other end with Emile Wesley.

If Mings is back I'd go:

Heaton
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Guilbert
Hourihane
Luiz
Nakamba
Grealish
Jota
Kodjia
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2019, 06:04:15 PM
You mis-spelt Wesley. Guaranteed to start.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2019, 06:05:20 PM
Saturday 28.12.19 3pm KO.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 26, 2019, 06:12:26 PM
Disaster coming our way. Pearson has Watford working hard and very well organised. I actually fear we'll be not just beaten but well beaten.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 26, 2019, 06:32:12 PM
I really hope we don't get beat. Deeney will be up for this one.

Heaton
Guilbert
Hause
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Hourihane
Nakamba
Grealish
Jota
Kodjia
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2019, 06:35:47 PM
This is a DO NOT LOSE. A win is always needed but a draw would be acceptable given the state of the table. We need to start getting more points on the board, and our performances will get better with confidence from not losing week in week out.

Indeed. I'd bring in Taylor for Targett as he's better defensively and more suited for away games where we're more likely to be under pressure.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: achilles on December 26, 2019, 06:45:12 PM
Team for me (and DS lol):

                             Heaton

       Elmo       Konsa         Hause    Taylor

     Guilbert    Douglas     Hourihane    Targett

                             Grealish

                        Wesley/Kodjia

Think that side gives us defensive stability while offering us attacking options out wide with Grealish having a totally free role, I would like to see Kodjia play but it won't happen unfortunately!

Hope for a win but at least a draw, MUST NOT lose!
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2019, 06:55:28 PM
Team for me (and DS lol):

                             Heaton

       Elmo       Konsa         Hause    Taylor

     Guilbert    Douglas     Hourihane    Targett

                             Grealish

                        Wesley/Kodjia

Think that side gives us defensive stability while offering us attacking options out wide with Grealish having a totally free role, I would like to see Kodjia play but it won't happen unfortunately!

Hope for a win but at least a draw, MUST NOT lose!

That's the kind of team Alex McLeish might have picked. Four full backs !

If Mings is fit he comes back in. Targett to come out with Hause shifting over to left back for me. Given he got the winner, Hourihane will probably come back in but I'd move him further forward on the left of a 3 with Grealish and maybe Jota for a change. Drop AEG and Trez.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 26, 2019, 07:09:55 PM
I do think Targett LW might be worth exploring. He’s done it well for Southampton and keeps him close to Jack (and they have a good understanding).

Also keeps Hause in the team who was immense today
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 26, 2019, 07:38:13 PM
These 3 games over the Christmas period, I have the Watford game to be the most difficult, they always seem an awkward side to me, that said, we've come a long way today, we won, we got the 3 points, you can see looking at the table another win will move us up the table and out of this mire, its that close, for me this is where its vital for the manager to really work out his strategy, his game plan, implement that plan and make it work, I'm going for an outright Villa victory, we've tasted blood and we should  be hungry for more and of course we have the Jack Grealish factor, we have the Heaton safeguard and we have the newly inspired Hause to lead the vanguard from the back.

Villa 3-1. 
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
Think they'll have too much for us, 2-0 defeat.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Axl Rose on December 26, 2019, 07:52:20 PM
0-0
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: achilles on December 26, 2019, 08:00:08 PM
Team for me (and DS lol):

                             Heaton

       Elmo       Konsa         Hause    Taylor

     Guilbert    Douglas     Hourihane    Targett

                             Grealish

                        Wesley/Kodjia

Think that side gives us defensive stability while offering us attacking options out wide with Grealish having a totally free role, I would like to see Kodjia play but it won't happen unfortunately!

Hope for a win but at least a draw, MUST NOT lose!

That's the kind of team Alex McLeish might have picked. Four full backs !

If Mings is fit he comes back in. Targett to come out with Hause shifting over to left back for me. Given he got the winner, Hourihane will probably come back in but I'd move him further forward on the left of a 3 with Grealish and maybe Jota for a change. Drop AEG and Trez.

McLeish never had wingbacks like Guilbert and Targett, they give us an attacking option whilst giving us defensive cover. If you haven't noticed we concede all the time from crosses so we have to cut them out especially with Deeney playing for Watford.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 26, 2019, 11:34:42 PM
This is a DO NOT LOSE. A win is always needed but a draw would be acceptable given the state of the table. We need to start getting more points on the board, and our performances will get better with confidence from not losing week in week out.

This is how I feel, too. Win if you can, but FFS please don't lose.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2019, 12:05:00 AM
I’d play 4 3 1 2
Heaton
Guiilbert Konsa Hause Taylor
Lansbury Marvellous Luiz
             Jack
        Conor Kodja

Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 12:06:04 AM
Pearson will set them up to bully us so I hope Dean counteracts that.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 12:10:22 AM
Pearson will set them up to bully us so I hope Dean counteracts that.

All our midfield options have been bullied physically and outran in recent games. With the exception of Grealish, you could pick any combination of them and still be disappointed. Watford are still 19th for a reason though so we should be going all out for a win. The only option Smith has really is to play physically stronger full backs (Elmo, Hause), particularly if Mings is fit.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 01:59:15 AM
A face-saving 8-0 win please, Villa.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 02:17:11 AM
Them 1 Us 2. AEG and Grealish for us, don't care about them.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 02:18:16 AM
Hourihane has to play, he has an understanding with Grealish. He has to play, and he has to be close to Jack too. With no McGinn, and the wingers looking like they've forgotten how to play football, I can't see us creating much otherwise.
So of the team that started against Norwich, I'd leave out Targett, Luiz, El Ghazi, Trez and Wesley. Fuck knows who'd replace them, mind. Hause to LB if Mings is back. Davis in if he's fit, Kodjia on the left, Lansbury on the right. Summat like that. I don't know.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: ROBBO on December 27, 2019, 02:46:21 AM
Targett on the wing is a good shout as he certainly isn't a full back, he might supply a bit more aggression than El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 27, 2019, 08:56:57 AM
The Christmas schedule is crazy. Saturday after a Thursday game?

Their bluenose striker will be champing at the bit. 2-1 them.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: OzVilla on December 27, 2019, 09:46:12 AM
Not confident about this at all, similar to Sheffield Utd the other week. They’ll out work us, out run us and be right in our faces. We’re just too sure submissive as a side in these situations right now.

2-0 them Deeney will score,  you just know it.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2019, 09:46:27 AM
I'll take three points whether 'offered' or not. Ta!
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 27, 2019, 09:53:39 AM
Despite yesterday's win I don't think we'll get anything out of this one, think they'll out battle us. Would drop both full backs and both wide men. Trez and El Ghazi offer nothing at the moment, time to try Jota.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: four fornicholl on December 27, 2019, 10:00:05 AM
Is it on Amazon prime again?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 10:16:32 AM
I know we're still a bit fragile, and yes, this is exactly one of the games they'll be looking to get something from if they've any hope of staying up, but they've won 2 all season and scored 12 along the way.

And I have to say I don't know where Pearson's football picked up a "bullying" type stripe, his sides have always played with culture rather than agriculture. It would be a bit off of Watford to abandon a good few years of developmental progression in favour of a gamble on a quick fix, up and at 'em approach. The incident with the journalist at Leicester and his somewhat sergeant-majorly appearance is all I can assume. Yes, I fully expect them to be wholehearted and energetic, as I do with us, but certainly not looking to kick lumps out of us.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Pete3206 on December 27, 2019, 10:21:10 AM
Is it on Amazon prime again?

No
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Axl Rose on December 27, 2019, 10:34:30 AM
Stop Deeney and we'll win.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: DB on December 27, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
If we can win, it will be huge to the relegation battle
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2019, 11:24:54 AM
Stop Deeney and we'll win.
You've spelt 'Deano' wrongly.

I'll get my coat™
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: robbo1874 on December 27, 2019, 12:20:30 PM
Probably just jinxed it, but I’ve gone for a Villa win in this one. 2-0 or 2-1.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 27, 2019, 12:33:20 PM
They’ve just had 2 very good results in beating Man U and drawing away at Sheffield, so this will be a tough one and they’ll fancy their chances. I’d take a draw.

If Mings is back he has to play but not at the expense of Hause who has been very good, I put Hause in at left back. Two games in 2 days maybe too much for Elmo so I think Guilbert will be back. He can’t play both those wingers again, both are off form but I think he’ll keep AEG in. Nakamba has been really poor last two games so should drop out imo.

                    Heaton

Guilbert.      Konsa.  Mings.        Hause

                         Hourihane Luiz

       
AEG.                 Grealish.             Jota

                           Wes
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: CT on December 27, 2019, 01:43:15 PM
If Tyrone isn't ready, I'd go with Chester and put Hause at left back.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 27, 2019, 01:55:46 PM
If Tyrone isn't ready, I'd go with Chester and put Hause at left back.

I wouldn't. I do love Chester but would give him more mins in reserves or cup games before sticking him back into a league game. He's yet to make it through 90 competitive minutes so it'd be too soon for me
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
This is on RMC Sport France channel 'Live' 6 at 9pm on Saturday. Once again it is phone off between 4pm and 11pm CET.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Malandro on December 27, 2019, 02:01:16 PM
We'll get tonked by Watford.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2019, 02:26:55 PM
There's huge pressure on Watford. Lose and they're as good as relegated if they're on 13 points and 8 or 9 shy of safety, past the half way point.

They've scored just 12 goals all season, half of what we have. I think it makes scoring the first goal key.

I'd be considering Hause left back and Mings coming back in, which ought to combat their height. To balance that  Freddie ought to come back in for Elmo, whose delivery was very poor yesterday.

Wesley will start, Jack will be in that 10 role close to him, while Hourihane will earn a spot as an 8.

The issue is that none of the widemen did enough to earn their spot and Kodjia is unlikely be trust wide in a 3. Smith wont change the system.

Lansbury may well feature as the other 8 if we change to a 141 as the front 6 and I think Douglas will sit regardless. He blows hot and cold, but he's young and gifted, if rash and prone to the issue of inconsistency.

Leaves us a bit lightweight perhaps,  but given Nkamba has been so off the pace for weeks, then does it make much difference.

Seems likely Trezuguet and AEG will play in a 433, is my gut feeling given the absence of time between the games.

First goal is key. Get it and we're unlikely to lose the game.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Damo70 on December 27, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
I am not sure what has gone wrong at Watford. On paper they are a decent side. They do seem to have picked up a little bit lately.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: danno on December 27, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
Thought Elmo did fine yesterday. But unfortunately Delefeou will have him on toast.

Guilbert does have pace on his side it's whether he can play disciplined enough and not continually get caught really high upfield.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on December 27, 2019, 03:00:15 PM
If Trez and El Ghazi both start, I’ll be thoroughly demoralised.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Des Little on December 27, 2019, 03:16:42 PM
Make that two of us.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: john e on December 27, 2019, 03:37:32 PM
new manager or not if we don’t believe we can beat one of only two teams lower in the league than us then we are defo going down
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 04:23:50 PM
Nakamba is worse than Trezeguet and El Gahzi .
He's entirely culpable for affording space to the opponent's midfielder time and again.
When he's not needless fouling doing a poor impression of Kante.
Marvelous best trick is to gift the ball to opposition in own box or like against Norwich edge of their area allowing for a counter attack.
Personally he seems to be struggling in playing that position
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 04:34:56 PM
Based on the above I'd start Nakamba.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 27, 2019, 04:49:31 PM
I would be tempted to look 3 at the back push the full backs (Guilbert and targett)further forward as they seem to be better attacking than defending. Have Douglas and Conor in the middle and jack behind 2 strikers of Wes and Kodj
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 05:11:11 PM
Based on the above I'd start Nakamba.
Snigger
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
Thought Elmo did fine yesterday. But unfortunately Delefeou will have him on toast.

Guilbert does have pace on his side it's whether he can play disciplined enough and not continually get caught really high upfield.
I bet Pearson will have Delefeou up against Target, because you just know DS will start him.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2019, 05:21:27 PM
I would be tempted to look 3 at the back push the full backs (Guilbert and targett)further forward as they seem to be better attacking than defending. Have Douglas and Conor in the middle and jack behind 2 strikers of Wes and Kodj
So would I, but it ain't going to happen, is it?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
I would be tempted to look 3 at the back push the full backs (Guilbert and targett)further forward as they seem to be better attacking than defending. Have Douglas and Conor in the middle and jack behind 2 strikers of Wes and Kodj
So would I, but it ain't going to happen, is it?
I am not sure what problem it is trying to solve.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 07:01:10 PM
I'd like to see the following:

Heaton

Fred Konza Hause Taylor

             Marv

Luiz                Conor

          Jack

   Jota
         Wesley

Solid in defence, industrious in midfield and creative up front.
If Mings is fit, bring him back and push Hause to left back.
El Ghazi can come on for the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 27, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
I'd like to see the following:

Heaton

Fred Konza Hause Taylor

             Marv

Luiz                Conor

          Jack

   Jota
         Wesley

Solid in defence, industrious in midfield and creative up front.
If Mings is fit, bring him back and push Hause to left back.
El Ghazi can come on for the last 5 minutes.

And do what? Mope about the place looking disinterested?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 07:15:43 PM
We're not blessed in that department. Maybe Lansbury replacing Jota?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 07:23:18 PM
I like AEG, more often than not he's involved in our better chances, like he was in the goal yesterday. Plus he's pretty much the only player we seem to have that has the ability to be in the box at the rigt time.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: john e on December 27, 2019, 07:25:54 PM
it doesn’t help matters that outside of the keeper 2 of our best 3 players are injured
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 07:32:22 PM
We're not blessed in that department. Maybe Lansbury replacing Jota?

Lansbury was beyond useless at Sheff Utd. Mobility of a snowman. Lansbury, Taylor, Kodjia to mention three are nowhere near good enough even for a decent championship team and I've no faith in Jota either.

Nakamba's confidence is on the floor but we have no option but to play him and Luiz in a two in front of the back four. Hourihane is a liability in that role at this level but can play further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 27, 2019, 08:08:05 PM
We're not blessed in that department. Maybe Lansbury replacing Jota?

Lansbury was beyond useless at Sheff Utd. Mobility of a snowman. Lansbury, Taylor, Kodjia to mention three are nowhere near good enough even for a decent championship team and I've no faith in Jota either.

Nakamba's confidence is on the floor but we have no option but to play him and Luiz in a two in front of the back four. Hourihane is a liability in that role at this level but can play further up the pitch.

Nakamba was impressive in some games earlier in the season, Liverpool at home in particular, but he has been awful for the last few games, not through lack of effort but just his first touch and decision making. Was totally culpable for southamptons 3rd which was unforgivable at that stage in the game and made virtually exactly the same mistake yesterday but got away with it. I think it was significant Smith hooked him literally a couple of minutes later.

I agree that Hourihane sometimes struggles in the same role and generally disappears from some games, but simply because of his goal threat and set piece ability he has to be in for me. When we’re not playing well a set piece could be a get out of jail card.

The winger situation is really concerning as AEG is so off form and Trez is looking like a headless chicken. Sticking with the 433 means Smith will have to play one of them and given that I think AEG has more ability. I think has great feet and can pick a pass but is so slow and lightweight he just can’t go with him on the wing. I think he could do a job just behind Wes but that would mean moving jack out wide again, which is a waste of his talent. The other thing he could do is play Hourihane on the left and Lansbury alongside Luiz, not the most thrilling prospect.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 27, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
I was talking about Jota being slow
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 27, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Take a point now
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 11:08:37 PM
We're not blessed in that department. Maybe Lansbury replacing Jota?

Lansbury was beyond useless at Sheff Utd. Mobility of a snowman. Lansbury, Taylor, Kodjia to mention three are nowhere near good enough even for a decent championship team and I've no faith in Jota either.

Nakamba's confidence is on the floor but we have no option but to play him and Luiz in a two in front of the back four. Hourihane is a liability in that role at this level but can play further up the pitch.

Nakamba was impressive in some games earlier in the season, Liverpool at home in particular, but he has been awful for the last few games, not through lack of effort but just his first touch and decision making. Was totally culpable for southamptons 3rd which was unforgivable at that stage in the game and made virtually exactly the same mistake yesterday but got away with it. I think it was significant Smith hooked him literally a couple of minutes later.

I agree that Hourihane sometimes struggles in the same role and generally disappears from some games, but simply because of his goal threat and set piece ability he has to be in for me. When we’re not playing well a set piece could be a get out of jail card.

The winger situation is really concerning as AEG is so off form and Trez is looking like a headless chicken. Sticking with the 433 means Smith will have to play one of them and given that I think AEG has more ability. I think has great feet and can pick a pass but is so slow and lightweight he just can’t go with him on the wing. I think he could do a job just behind Wes but that would mean moving jack out wide again, which is a waste of his talent. The other thing he could do is play Hourihane on the left and Lansbury alongside Luiz, not the most thrilling prospect.

And therein lies our problem; utter confusion; asking players to play in roles they're not used to and/or not effective in.
If Trez is a headless chicken, AEG is a headless peacock. Play him closer to Wesley? He missed the two biggest sitters of the season yesterday. Neither are wingers, neither give me confidence other than coming off the bench as they don't understand/can't play effectively for 90 minutes. When both start it's like starting with 9 men and we wonder why we're so poor.

As others have pointed out, Marv was great when he owned the defensive role. We then try and add Luiz or Conor to play alongside him. Why? Neither are suited for the role and we wonder why it all goes pear shaped. We should now be fine tuning rather than rebuilding the midfield every game. Look how shit SJM became during the season because we kept swapping and changing.

The same could be said for the defence though I'm more confident that is the easiest department to sort out. The only real doubt is who plays left back. Sort out defence and midfield and the attack will soon benefit and more importantly so will results. Dean needs to focus on where to play the players and stick with it. It's little surprise recently we look so often like a team that met for the first time 20 minutes before kick off.

We need to be right up for it tomorrow. Beat Watford and we've pretty much secured one of the relegation places. They'll understand the importance of the game. Will we? I bloody hope so.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2019, 11:35:04 PM
Think the middle three will be Luiz, Hourihane and Jack. Can see Jota getting a start but then we'll be pretty slow on counter attack.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 12:16:39 AM
I fear the same.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: adrenachrome on December 28, 2019, 12:41:14 AM
Paradoxically, Watford's good recent form might work in our favour. If they go all out, we will have chances on the break.

Pessimmism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 12:48:26 AM
Play Konsa in midfield . Defensive slot.

Watford have some physical presence about them so villa need to go best and try to hold on
The weak ness of some of the villa boys is most concerning.
Can see a few being shrugged off even if up for the challenge

Still take a 1-2 win.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 01:02:21 AM
Lower lower Watford
Lower lower Watford
HIGHER HIGHER VILLA
HIGHER HIGHER VILLA
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 28, 2019, 08:05:50 AM
I'm going to this (my 1st away of the ssn), so looking forward to it. Come on the Villa boys! If Mings is fit I'd play:
Heaton, 
Freddy, Konsa, Mings and Hause.
Hause has proven he can play LB. Also he would add extra height and physical presence when defending set pieces. If Mings is unfit, Hause plays left CB and Taylor comes in. I don't think you can play Freddy and Targett in the same team away from home.
In midfield I'd play Luiz as DCM (he gets the nod purely for his goal line clearance vs Norwich) and hope for the best. I'd also play Hourihane and of course Grealish as a No.10.
In the wide positions I'd play Elmo on the right, so that there is obvious cover when Freddy inevitably goes on one of his marauding runs. I'd play ElGhazi on the left. Imo Villa are better with only 1 of Anwar or Trez in the team. Anwar gets the nod because he's been playing Smith's system longer and I think he likes cutting in and shooting from that position. He will feel more comfortable with a full back behind him that can hold their position. Obvs Wes plays as the lone striker only because Deano won't pick anyone else to play there at the moment.
This team hopefully would make us stronger defensively, but also by playing all our current top scorers with the exception of Trez (who is an obvious replacement for Anwar), we still have goals in us without having to rely on Wes to find the net. It also gives us a set piece threat ourselves especially if both Mings and Hause are playing.
A draw wouldn't be a disaster, but let's win this game! UTV!
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 28, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
We're not blessed in that department. Maybe Lansbury replacing Jota?

Lansbury was beyond useless at Sheff Utd. Mobility of a snowman. Lansbury, Taylor, Kodjia to mention three are nowhere near good enough even for a decent championship team and I've no faith in Jota either.

Nakamba's confidence is on the floor but we have no option but to play him and Luiz in a two in front of the back four. Hourihane is a liability in that role at this level but can play further up the pitch.

Nakamba was impressive in some games earlier in the season, Liverpool at home in particular, but he has been awful for the last few games, not through lack of effort but just his first touch and decision making. Was totally culpable for southamptons 3rd which was unforgivable at that stage in the game and made virtually exactly the same mistake yesterday but got away with it. I think it was significant Smith hooked him literally a couple of minutes later.

I agree that Hourihane sometimes struggles in the same role and generally disappears from some games, but simply because of his goal threat and set piece ability he has to be in for me. When we’re not playing well a set piece could be a get out of jail card.

The winger situation is really concerning as AEG is so off form and Trez is looking like a headless chicken. Sticking with the 433 means Smith will have to play one of them and given that I think AEG has more ability. I think has great feet and can pick a pass but is so slow and lightweight he just can’t go with him on the wing. I think he could do a job just behind Wes but that would mean moving jack out wide again, which is a waste of his talent. The other thing he could do is play Hourihane on the left and Lansbury alongside Luiz, not the most thrilling prospect.

And therein lies our problem; utter confusion; asking players to play in roles they're not used to and/or not effective in.
If Trez is a headless chicken, AEG is a headless peacock. Play him closer to Wesley? He missed the two biggest sitters of the season yesterday. Neither are wingers, neither give me confidence other than coming off the bench as they don't understand/can't play effectively for 90 minutes. When both start it's like starting with 9 men and we wonder why we're so poor.

As others have pointed out, Marv was great when he owned the defensive role. We then try and add Luiz or Conor to play alongside him. Why? Neither are suited for the role and we wonder why it all goes pear shaped. We should now be fine tuning rather than rebuilding the midfield every game. Look how shit SJM became during the season because we kept swapping and changing.

The same could be said for the defence though I'm more confident that is the easiest department to sort out. The only real doubt is who plays left back. Sort out defence and midfield and the attack will soon benefit and more importantly so will results. Dean needs to focus on where to play the players and stick with it. It's little surprise recently we look so often like a team that met for the first time 20 minutes before kick off.

We need to be right up for it tomorrow. Beat Watford and we've pretty much secured one of the relegation places. They'll understand the importance of the game. Will we? I bloody hope so.

I meant Jota playing just behind Wes not AEG, missed out his name from the sentence though. Clutching at straws with the suggestion though.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 28, 2019, 08:47:04 AM
I'm going to this (my 1st away of the ssn), so looking forward to it. Come on the Villa boys! If Mings is fit I'd play:
Heaton, 
Freddy, Konsa, Mings and Hause.
Hause has proven he can play LB. Also he would add extra height and physical presence when defending set pieces. If Mings is unfit, Hause plays left CB and Taylor comes in. I don't think you can play Freddy and Targett in the same team away from home.
In midfield I'd play Luiz as DCM (he gets the nod purely for his goal line clearance vs Norwich) and hope for the best. I'd also play Hourihane and of course Grealish as a No.10.
In the wide positions I'd play Elmo on the right, so that there is obvious cover when Freddy inevitably goes on one of his marauding runs. I'd play ElGhazi on the left. Imo Villa are better with only 1 of Anwar or Trez in the team. Anwar gets the nod because he's been playing Smith's system longer and I think he likes cutting in and shooting from that position. He will feel more comfortable with a full back behind him that can hold their position. Obvs Wes plays as the lone striker only because Deano won't pick anyone else to play there at the moment.
This team hopefully would make us stronger defensively, but also by playing all our current top scorers with the exception of Trez (who is an obvious replacement for Anwar), we still have goals in us without having to rely on Wes to find the net. It also gives us a set piece threat ourselves especially if both Mings and Hause are playing.
A draw wouldn't be a disaster, but let's win this game! UTV!

This sounds completely sensible. UTV
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: JJ-AV on December 28, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
Heaton
Guilbert - Konsa - Mings - Hause
Luiz - Conor
Anwar - Jack - Targett
Wesley

Don't lose it
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
This one has Deeney written all over it. They interviewed him after the Sheffield Utd game, and all he kept mentioning throughout was the upcoming game against us.

Bluenosed tosser.

3-0 them.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
New Manager bounce will see Watford working a lot harder than us.  I hope I am wrong.  I can't see us winning this, but hope for the best.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
New Manager bounce will see Watford working a lot harder than us.  I hope I am wrong.  I can't see us winning this, but hope for the best.
Oh yeah, forgot about him! Can't see us getting anything out of today.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: JJ-AV on December 28, 2019, 09:44:09 AM
This one has Deeney written all over it. They interviewed him after the Sheffield Utd game, and all he kept mentioning throughout was the upcoming game against us.

Bluenosed tosser.

3-0 them.

Mings though
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
No way would I rush Mings back for this game. Recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
No way should Jota be starting in my opinion. He’s far too slow and weak, and just not up to the job at this level.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: john e on December 28, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
don’t care about their new managers bounce or our form
this is exactly the sort of game where we should be going out to win

if we aren’t expecting to get a result today we might as well just accept that relegation is going to happen
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 28, 2019, 10:47:17 AM
As per absolutely loving the positivity within these walls.
Think we’ll pick up a point today.
For gods sake don’t lose.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 28, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
With their Pearson bounce and our current form it has an air of predictability about it, a bit like Sheffield a couple of weeks ago and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the result was the same 0-2. I just hope we get a break, a Hourihane set piece or something that puts us a goal up and then under extreme pressure that we exploit with a breakaway goal.

A bit of unpredictability from villa today would be a great way to end the year.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on December 28, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
No way should Jota be starting in my opinion. He’s far too slow and weak, and just not up to the job at this level.
7

Someone else you think is no good..theres a shock.

Is there anything you do like about supporting Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 11:15:07 AM
No way should Jota be starting in my opinion. He’s far too slow and weak, and just not up to the job at this level.
7

Someone else you think is no good..theres a shock.

Is there anything you do like about supporting Aston Villa?
To be fair .......Jota is weak and slow and would be completely outrun and outmuscled today by a Pearson team - fight and spirit will be required today
I guess Risso is like most of us- disappointed that a season that started with so much optimism is turning to  shit  because the club is repeating the same mistakes it has making for the past 20 years  - poor recruitment of managers and players
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: JJ-AV on December 28, 2019, 11:18:21 AM
Any pubs in town showing the game?
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2019, 11:25:19 AM
Tough one to call today. We really shouldn't have anything to fear from these and hopefully the win on Boxing Day has boosted our confidence. I'll take another dodgy performance and three points, espcially away from home.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: KRS on December 28, 2019, 11:28:55 AM
If Dean gets out done by Pearsons tactics today then I’ll start having genuine concerns over our manager. This lot are bottom of the league for a reason but if we let Deeney and Deulofeu run the show today then we’ll be taking nothing from this game. We’ve had 4 piss poor performances on the bounce so we need to be seeing a big improvement from management and players today.

Pray for a win, accept a draw...and don’t think about losing.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 11:39:07 AM
New Manager bounce will see Watford working a lot harder than us.  I hope I am wrong.  I can't see us winning this, but hope for the best.
Oh yeah, forgot about him! Can't see us getting anything out of today.


How could you forget Nigel Pearson was their new manager. Is your head in the sand? Are you an ostrich? You are an ostrich!  ;)
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 11:49:21 AM
Referee: Simon Hooper.
VAR: Jonathan Moss.

Simon Hooper 5 premier league matches.
Started season doing championship and may remember him from previous seasons in championship .

This season in 5 matches  16 yellows 1 red card no penalties this season.


7 matches Hooper has done Villa have been awarded 3 penalties.
He's got a thing for pushing and handballs so despite giving no pens so far this season maybe he give us something.

Watch out for Moss on VAR though 
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rigadon on December 28, 2019, 11:55:40 AM
I want see us press Watford.  For the life of me I don't understand why the team is being told to stand off teams (especially at home like we did boxing day).  We aren't good enough at the back to use a 'soak up pressure' approach. 
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
Pearson will have his team taking turns to kick Grealish today.

A win will give us a huge boost, first goal, as always will be critical. We just need to be strong, no game for the likes of Engels, Jota etc....
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 12:49:40 PM

Somehow Smith has got to put a team out that is prepared to battle and compete.

Lose today and we are in deep shit.
Must not lose.

Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Villa Lew on December 28, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
Going 1-1, much not lose match, with Deeney missing a pen!
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: gpbarr on December 28, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
I think we get beat easily - our team just isn’t cut out for Vicarage Rd away on a cold Dec day.

3-0 and more panic
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
Cold December day? It's beautiful, clear blue skies outside with the sun shining on down. Perfect conditions for football.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: john e on December 28, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
I want see us press Watford.  For the life of me I don't understand why the team is being told to stand off teams (especially at home like we did boxing day).  We aren't good enough at the back to use a 'soak up pressure' approach. 

This for me is why we should always play Guilbert and Target when fit

yes they go forward more and take a few more risks but we need to be on the front foot
Elmo and Taylor going forward stopping and passing the ball back slowing the whole thing down just invites pressure on us
we won’t win games by sitting back

he who dares and all that
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Luke8 on December 28, 2019, 01:18:22 PM
Wonder what condition those that played on Thursday will be in?

Imagine most teams will make a few changes today given the close proximity of games. I’m not sure we have the capacity to do that though.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
Team I'd go with

----------------Heaton
Elmo, Konsa, Mings, Hause
---------Luiz, Nakamba
AEG, Grealish, Hourihane
--------------Kodjia
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
I think I read Mings will only be available next week.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 01:27:38 PM
Don't think Mings is available. Latest suggestion from Smith was he'd be back for the Burnley match.
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
Probable first XI:

Heaton
Elmo
Konsa
Hause
Targett
Grealish
Hourihane
Luiz
Nakamba
Trezeguet
Bag of cement
Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 28, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
Team / formation I'd like to try if not today;

                           Heaton

        Guilbert     Konsa    Mings     Hause    Targett

                        Nakamba    Luiz  Hourihane

                              Grealish

                               Kodjia

Zero chance of it happening though, ever.

         


Title: Re: Watford vs Aston Villa pre match thread - Dec 28th - 3pm
Post by: Ads on December 28, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
Cold December day? It's beautiful, clear blue skies outside with the sun shining on down. Perfect conditions for football.

Its 8° and grey overcast sky in Watford, so you're both wrong.
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