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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
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He’s just been sentenced to 10 weeks imprisonment !!
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For failing to provide a roadside breath sample. This would go some way to explaining why he comes out with such horseshit on Talksport on a regular basis.
Great player mind.
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This is still one of my favourite goals:
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For failing to provide a roadside breath sample. This would go some way to explaining why he comes out with such horseshit on Talksport on a regular basis.
Great player mind.
The Villa being bigger than pre Abramovic Chelsea comment was spot on.
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I don’t care what he did for us, what he’s said on Talkshite, he’s a drunk driver which makes him a grade a c*** in my view and I’m glad he’s been imprisoned.
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That's what happens when you hang around with Alan Brazil too much.
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F***! Love Deano! Obviously a stupid thing to do. If it's a bigger problem than having a couple of drinks on a one-off and getting caught I hope he gets the help required to sort himself out.
Thanks for the post Dalian's Umbrella I was at that Ipswich match - good times!
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Can't have any sympathy, as great as he was for us. Hope he doesn't have to share a cell with a Nose ::)
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For failing to provide a roadside breath sample. This would go some way to explaining why he comes out with such horseshit on Talksport on a regular basis.
Great player mind.
The Villa being bigger than pre Abramovic Chelsea comment was spot on.
I didn't hear that one, fair comment.
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Twat
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Former Liverpool player jailed
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He's always struck me as a bit of a twat, his bullshit Clough story is a good indicator. And he was overrated as a player, certainly for a record signing striker imo.
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his bullshit Clough story is a good indicator.
What was that?
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Can't stand the bloke, and this just confirms that he's a grade A twat. Hopefully he spends his time inside thinking about things.
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He comes across as completely out of touch with the modern game. Is it any wonder he failed as a manager? And if he’s firstly being pulled over for possible intoxication and then failing to give a test then he gets what he deserves. TS really have hired some right bell ends.
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He's always struck me as a bit of a twat, his bullshit Clough story is a good indicator. And he was overrated as a player, certainly for a record signing striker imo.
I thought the Clough story was something that would have been perfectly acceptable to tell at the time. Attitudes have changed and we are more sympathetic to people who have issues with addiction now. Saunders has obviously been telling the story to mates for a few years and always got a good laugh, nobody has ever taken issue with it and he didn't think about the repercussions. I don't reckon that makes him a twat, though.
I thought he was excellent for us, one of my favourite players at the time, and I'm grateful for his contribution to my favourite ever Villa game, the League Cup win against the glory-hunting c***s.
Drink-driving is less forgivable, though I reckon probably 80% of the drivers on here have done it. Hope he learns from this and glad that nobody was hurt.
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Can't stand the bloke, and this just confirms that he's a grade A twat. Hopefully he spends his time inside thinking about things.
Did you like him as a Villa player?
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Can't stand the bloke, and this just confirms that he's a grade A twat. Hopefully he spends his time inside thinking about things.
Did you like him as a Villa player?
At the time, yes, of course.
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What a bell end.
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Most of it not being true is the bullshit part of that story. And it was only 3 years ago that he told the story on Talksport which is what brought it to people's attention. So, was it an acceptable made up story to tell at the time?
He had some great moments for us don't get me wrong, but he was nowhere near excellent imo, he'd go months with hardly scoring. A big reason we didn't win the league in '93 is that he hardly scored, 1 goal in the last 15 games.
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Love the bloke, but that's unforgivable.
The bad news is Sam Allardyce will probably replace him on the Alan Brazil show.
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For failing to provide a roadside breath sample. This would go some way to explaining why he comes out with such horseshit on Talksport on a regular basis.
Great player mind.
The Villa being bigger than pre Abramovic Chelsea comment was spot on.
I didn't hear that one, fair comment.
Not too controversial an opinion though.
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Fuck me! In France you'd have to be either a fucking idiot, completely wankered or both to refuse to give a sample. Guaranteed criminal proceedings with extra charges thrown at you. You are much better off 'blowing in the bag' and getting specialist counsel.*
*I am not speaking from personal experience but I know people who have been caught...
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Very sad news but he is the irresponsible one.
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What a bell end.
Bit harsh that, Risso only said he liked him as a player...... ;)
As for Saunders, what a dick.
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In these situations I can never understand why people risk their liberty and reputation all for the cost of a taxi fare. He could afford a chauffeur if he wanted to. Madness. I'm disappointed as he and Dalian were a great partnership in the 1992/93 season when we almost won the inaugural Premiership title.
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I was never keen on saunders has a person . I met him with Macca Mcgrath and David Farrell once before a game and when asking for autographs , I got one off the friendly God and more or less got told to bugger off rudely by Saunders so ws never keen on him , great player mind.
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Loved Deano as a player for us. Don't know what he's like on talksh-te because I don't listen to it. The written media's "ex Villa player" spin is just typical of them. If Deano was in the news for something good it wouldn't take them long to include Liverpool somewhere in the headline. Another good reason to avoid the rags. Hope Deano and others learn from this.
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Wanker!
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Love the bloke, but that's unforgivable.
The bad news is Sam Allardyce will probably replace him on the Alan Brazil show.
maybe they could smuggle a mobile phone into chokey, so Saunders could still take part...
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The Doc
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My biggest issue with him is the complete and utter horseshit he talks on the radio. Including constant defence of (not alone there I suppose) Bruce O Saurus.
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The biggest thing always about drink driving is just how selfish it is. Not enough that you are putting yourself in danger and affecting those closest to you, but it’s any number of innocent people you could hurt or kill. No sympathy for him. And I find wankers like Alan Brazil even more obnoxious for glorifying alcohol. Most of us enjoy a drink. Nothing wrong with that but when you talk about it constantly or as in his case promote it or have what he does promoted by the station then is it any wonder the like Saunders found a happy place there?
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Loved Deano as a player for us. Don't know what he's like on talksh-te because I don't listen to it. The written media's "ex Villa player" spin is just typical of them. If Deano was in the news for something good it wouldn't take them long to include Liverpool somewhere in the headline. Another good reason to avoid the rags. Hope Deano and others learn from this.
Most of them seem to say ex-Liverpool first. BBC, Sky, Mirror, Independent, Guardian, Talkshite, Express, Telegraph.
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A prison cell is where he belongs. Hopefully it will give him the opportunity to reflect on the stupidity of his actions.
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Love the bloke, but that's unforgivable.
The bad news is Sam Allardyce will probably replace him on the Alan Brazil show.
maybe they could smuggle a mobile phone into chokey, so Saunders could still take part...
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The Doc
We are now going to Strangeaways for Deano's inside view.....
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Loved Deano as a player for us. Don't know what he's like on talksh-te because I don't listen to it. The written media's "ex Villa player" spin is just typical of them. If Deano was in the news for something good it wouldn't take them long to include Liverpool somewhere in the headline. Another good reason to avoid the rags. Hope Deano and others learn from this.
Most of them seem to say ex-Liverpool first. BBC, Sky, Mirror, Independent, Guardian, Talkshite, Express, Telegraph.
I'd almost forgot we got him from Liverpool. He wasn't that great for them though was he? He was for us as a footballer apart from his habit of hitting the bar too often. Looks like he's carried on with that outside playing.
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Brazil got done for drink driving as well. Be interesting to see if they have Saunders back. I bet they haven't even mentioned it on talk sport.
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https://talksport.com/football/593507/dean-saunders-liverpool-wales-aston-villa-prison/
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https://talksport.com/football/593507/dean-saunders-liverpool-wales-aston-villa-prison/
"He said he had been out at Chester Races and had drunk two pints."
Two pints of what, absinthe?
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BBC.
Ex-Liverpool striker Dean Saunders has been jailed for 10 weeks for refusing to provide a roadside breath test.
The BT Sport pundit, 55, was stopped by police on suspicion of drink-driving in Boughton, Chester, on 10 May.
Saunders, who was capped by Wales 75 times, was slurring and had to prop himself up against his Audi A8 car when he was asked to get out of the vehicle, Chester Magistrates' Court heard.
Jailing Saunders, District Judge Nicholas Sanders called him "arrogant".
Outside court, Conor Johnstone, defending Saunders, said his client would be appealing against the sentence as he believed it was excessive.
A bail application is expected to be made to a judge at Chester Crown Court later on Wednesday so Saunders does not have to spend time in custody before any future appeal hearings, Mr Johnstone added.
The former Derby County and Aston Villa striker, of The Paddocks, Whitegate, Cheshire, told the court he had been at Chester Races and had drunk two pints.
'Deterrent sentence'
The court heard how at about 00:45 BST, a police patrol spotted Saunders' car driving at speed and failing to give way at a roundabout, causing another vehicle to brake.
He was arrested for failing to provide a breath test and taken to a police station when he again refused to comply.
His lawyer suggested the alcohol might have "interacted" with the medication he takes for injury to his knees and for his asthma.
The father of three looked crestfallen when he realised he was going to jail.
"Throughout these proceedings you have shown yourself to be arrogant, thinking you are someone whose previous and current role in the public eye entitles you to be above the law," District Judge Sanders said.
"In fact the opposite is true - someone in the public eye should expect a deterrent sentence when they flout the law."
Saunders had initially denied failing to comply with a roadside breath test and failing to provide a sample at a police station, but later pleaded guilty.
He was also banned from driving for 30 months and ordered to pay court costs of £620.
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Never the brightest bulb.
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BBC.
Ex-Liverpool striker Dean Saunders has been jailed for 10 weeks for refusing to provide a roadside breath test.
The BT Sport pundit, 55, was stopped by police on suspicion of drink-driving in Boughton, Chester, on 10 May.
Saunders, who was capped by Wales 75 times, was slurring and had to prop himself up against his Audi A8 car when he was asked to get out of the vehicle, Chester Magistrates' Court heard.
Jailing Saunders, District Judge Nicholas Sanders called him "arrogant".
Outside court, Conor Johnstone, defending Saunders, said his client would be appealing against the sentence as he believed it was excessive.
A bail application is expected to be made to a judge at Chester Crown Court later on Wednesday so Saunders does not have to spend time in custody before any future appeal hearings, Mr Johnstone added.
The former Derby County and Aston Villa striker, of The Paddocks, Whitegate, Cheshire, told the court he had been at Chester Races and had drunk two pints.
'Deterrent sentence'
The court heard how at about 00:45 BST, a police patrol spotted Saunders' car driving at speed and failing to give way at a roundabout, causing another vehicle to brake.
He was arrested for failing to provide a breath test and taken to a police station when he again refused to comply.
His lawyer suggested the alcohol might have "interacted" with the medication he takes for injury to his knees and for his asthma.
The father of three looked crestfallen when he realised he was going to jail.
"Throughout these proceedings you have shown yourself to be arrogant, thinking you are someone whose previous and current role in the public eye entitles you to be above the law," District Judge Sanders said.
"In fact the opposite is true - someone in the public eye should expect a deterrent sentence when they flout the law."
Saunders had initially denied failing to comply with a roadside breath test and failing to provide a sample at a police station, but later pleaded guilty.
He was also banned from driving for 30 months and ordered to pay court costs of £620.
The judge was called 'Sanders'? Big Ron would have had a nightmare with that.
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Referring to the Clough story this explains it. Well worth a read.
Nottingham Forest manager Brian Clough with record signing Trevor Francis. Photograph: PA
By now you have probably heard the story that has been doing the rounds in the past few days about Brian Clough, drunk as a skunk apparently, trying to sign Dean Saunders for Nottingham Forest for what would have been a British record transfer fee.
Some belting lines, too, if you like the idea there was a time when the best managers in the business refused to dance to the tune of agents. Clough never had time for middle men (Peter Shilton tells a wonderful story about taking two of his advisers into transfer negotiations and Clough waiting behind his office door to trip them up with a squash racket) and was clearly put out to find Saunders, then at Derby County, had brought one with him.
“I stand up,” Saunders recalled on TalkSport. “I was a bit nervous – it’s Brian Clough. ‘Young man, nice to see you.’ He looks at Kevin, my agent – doesn’t even shake his hand. ‘Son, can I speak to you or do I have to speak to him to speak to you?’ I said: ‘You can speak to me, Mr Clough.’ He went: ‘Thank you, son, because I don’t really like talking about football in front of him – he’s a fat …’”
Let’s start from the beginning, though. This little sketch, we learn, takes place at the house of Alan Hill, Clough’s assistant, in June 1991. Saunders describes the scene, with “the best garden you have ever seen”, waiting in the lounge to discuss a potential £2.9m move. Then, finally, the knock at the door. “Green sweatshirt, white shorts, white socks, blotchy cheeks,” Saunders recounted. It’s classic Cloughie colour already. “Blotchy cheeks!” one of the presenters echoes, with a hoot of laughter.
Everything starts to get a bit weird. “We sit down,” Saunders said, “and he walks to the opposite end of the house and sits on the chair with his nose about an inch from the wall, looking at the wall. He doesn’t say anything for about a minute – just staring at the wall.” Eventually, Clough slides off his chair, down to the floor and on to his knees. “I’m thinking: ‘What the … ’” Saunders went on. “I can’t believe what’s going on. A British record transfer, this is supposed to be …”
Clough, he said, starts crawling on his hands and knees to where his prospective new signing is sitting. “At this point” – and Saunders makes this next remark in the manner of someone knowingly rolling his eyes – “I started to work out he might be drunk.” (Both presenters laugh.)
It turns out, perhaps for the benefit of his after-dinner audiences (Saunders gets £1,000–£2,000 a pop, according to his online promoters at www.comedians.co.uk), Saunders is not just a fine raconteur but a budding impressionist.
“He is crawling on the floor,” he says. “He stops, looks at the carpet and goes: [Clough impersonation]: ‘Hilly, I like your carpet, son, where did you get that from?’
‘Carpetright.’
[Clough impersonation]: ‘How much?’
‘£12.99 a square yard.’
[Clough impersonation]: ‘My Barbara would love that carpet – good choice, Hilly, son.’”
Already, you get the idea that this is no ordinary anecdote. Yet we are only really warming up. “It goes on ages, this story,” Saunders told us. “It’s hilarious.” Clough calls the agent “fatso”. He goes into the garden and, according to Saunders, takes one of the flower pots – “the best pot you’ve ever seen with flowers spilling out” – and rips out the entire lot to present to his prospective new signing. Then, one thing leading to another, Clough starts using the flowers as a pretend microphone, persuading Saunders to join him singing Chicago by Frank Sinatra.
It is left to Archie Gemmill, according to Saunders, to make Forest’s financial offer, hampered by regular Clough interruptions (strange in itself when Gemmill is only the first-team coach), and when the player finally gets home, head spinning, we get the killer line. Saunders finds his wife inside the door, with her finger to her lips, making a shush gesture. “He’s only sat in my lounge,” he says, “with the pot from the garden, and his arm around my mother-in-law. Honest to God …”
Everyone in football, especially that era, seems to have a Clough story, but nothing perhaps quite as bonkers as this one – and I say that as someone who has written a couple of books about the man’s work. It is also, I’m pretty sure, the first time I can remember anyone telling an anecdote this way when it openly references, as a point of humour, the drinking and alcoholism that finished Clough – an illness some people (among them, TalkSport regular Ray Wilkins, presumably) call it. Sorry to be a dreadful spoilsport – I’m fully aware I will be told to get a sense of humour, that it’s banter and LOL – but I’ve started to wonder whether Saunders might be a bit of a pillock.
I do have my own drunk-Cloughie story. A year or so after Saunders left Derby (he eventually went to Liverpool), I was in my first job, at the Newark Advertiser, and Clough was invited to plant a tree to mark the opening of a local arts centre.
This time, for the record, he was in a suit, not the green sweatshirt. Blotchy cheeks, though. Pissed again. Not exactly Clough in his pomp, with those piercing eyes, the immaculately coiffured hair, the healthy skin and all that precious, peculiar magic from the days winning league titles and European Cups.
Anyway, the tree. Most people would pop it in the ground, sprinkle a bit of mud on the roots and pat it down with a spade. Not Clough. He was down on his knees, flattening the soil with his bare hands, ruining a good suit. Nobody was laughing, though, and more fool me, perhaps, for not putting on a Clough accent over the years and trying to get some mileage out of it. It’s just there are a thousand stories about this man that don’t refer to him being plastered.
He was the guy, remember, who once told a colleague: “Sinatra met me, you know,” – and call me a spoilsport, humourless, whatever you will, those are the stories that make me laugh. Not ones about his blotchy cheeks or making an oaf of himself when he was sliding into alcoholism or maybe already there. Not stories I suspect that might have more topspin than a Roger Federer serve.
I’m in the minority, though. It’s clearly fair game to go on the radio and tell jokey anecdotes about someone’s drink problem. All the same I hope the Clough family – Nigel, Simon and Elizabeth, and their own children – weren’t tuning in. I know what some of the players from Clough’s European Cup-winning teams think about it and I put in a call to Hill this week.
“It’s a good after-dinner speech but unfortunately most of it isn’t true,” he told me. “Brian wasn’t drunk, he wasn’t crawling on his hands and knees, he didn’t sit facing a wall, he didn’t mention the carpet once and there was no flowerpot … it just feels like he [Saunders] has put this story through a very imaginative scriptwriter and this is what they’ve come up with.”
All rather awkward, I’m sure you will agree. “Brian liked a drink and we all know he had a situation towards the end but he wasn’t drunk that day at all,” Hill continued. “He didn’t do the things that have been said and I’ve no idea why he [Saunders] would say them.
“Brian arrived with Archie Gemmill. ‘Hello, Mr Clough,’ Saunders said. ‘Son, call me Brian,’ he replied. It was all perfectly normal. He didn’t really want to speak to an agent, that’s correct, and we were told it was going to be difficult because Saunders had already agreed a deal with Everton. ‘It won’t be difficult,’ Brian told him, ‘we’ll just offer you more money than they have.’ Then off he went up the garden to smell the lavender.
“When he’d gone, Saunders told me Everton had offered him £8,000. ‘A month?’ I asked. ‘No, a week.’ Crikey. I told Brian and his reaction was: ‘Bloody hell, that’s more than me, our Nigel and Pearcey get together.’ First of all, though, he wanted me to do something. ‘Smell this flower,’ he said, ‘it’s beautiful.’
“After half an hour Saunders said he would talk it through with his wife and went home. Then at 9pm he rang to say Liverpool had matched our offer and he would rather go there because his father used to play for them. So that’s it. Brian wasn’t drunk, and it’s not fair. There are all sorts of different Brian Clough stories – I tell some myself, but not derogatory ones, not ones like this.”
Still, the damage is done. That eight‑minute clip – “the funniest thing that’s ever happened to me in football”, Saunders concludes – has gone viral. It is an internet sensation and the Liverpool Echo’s headline on Monday was: “How a drunken Brian Clough tried to persuade Dean Saunders to turn down Howard Kendall.” Even the Birmingham Evening Mail was running it. “The following anecdote has nothing to do with our clubs on this patch,” the newspaper explained. “However, it is quite possibly one of the best football stories we have heard in the past quarter of a century.” Or, depending who you believe, one of the more ludicrous.
Clough had taken his side to the FA Cup final that year, one of six Wembley visits in four seasons. He obviously rated Saunders – who has been informed that his story is disputed and chosen not to comment – but, for the most part, he did not need to break transfer records to improve his team. The year before, Clough found Roy Keane playing for Cobh Ramblers and signed him for £47,000.
As far as I’m aware, Keane has never told a story, or embellished one, about Clough, with his drink-ravaged face, in that difficult period, 1991 to 1993, when the deterioration set in. Maybe it’s true, as Keane once said, the game is full of bluffers.
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Re Deanos Liverpool record - he had scored twenty or so for them the season before but I think a lot of them were in UEFA Cup Vs a couple of mediocre sides.
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Drink/drugs driving kills/injures i- gets t what he deserved sorry but true
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No sympathy. Get a taxi you f*ckin twat.
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My biggest issue with him is the complete and utter horseshit he talks on the radio. Including constant defence of (not alone there I suppose) Bruce O Saurus.
Saw an interview with him and Brazil someone had posted on Twitter the other week ‘talking’ to comedian James Acaster regarding him dealing with depression. I’ve not heard any two blokes be so out of tune with a subject. At one point Saunders thinks he’s being clever by repeated saying “ so, was it tears of a clown?” followed by Brazil mentioning having money and associating that with happiness. I can only commend James Acaster for not walking out such was the ignorance of these two idiots.
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I’d have him (in his prime) back in a heartbeat. He would compliment Wesley perfectly.
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I'd throw him straight back to where he was residing last night what sort of message does this send to drink drivers
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I'd throw him straight back to where he was residing last night what sort of message does this send to drink drivers
Hardly surprising given we live in an era where people can drink drive, then actually kill people and still don’t serve time.
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He's only got his self to blame he should get a taxi then can get drunk simple.
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I'd throw him straight back to where he was residing last night what sort of message does this send to drink drivers
Hardly surprising given we live in an era where people can drink drive, then actually kill people and still don’t serve time.
Apparently he refused to do a breath test, and ignores messages.
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To be fair to him, if he was sober he'd never decide to drink-drive.
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I'm going to make up a funny story about Dean Saunders being drunk and tell it to everybody.
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Make your own judgment.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/moment-ex-liverpool-player-dean-16836559.amp
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I see he's out on bail pending the appeal.
Unless he's got previous for similar offences, and I haven't seen it said, he should get a non-custodial sentence on appeal. Apart from anything else, the judge saying people in the public eye should expect deterrent sentences is totally wrong. I can't believe he was stupid enough to say that.
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He’ll be telling this story and thinking it’s funny in a few months time along with all his other ‘slightly exaggerated this is what happened honest lads’ true life anecdotes. What a card eh?
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Drink-driving is less forgivable, though I reckon probably 80% of the drivers on here have done it. Hope he learns from this and glad that nobody was hurt.
80% of drivers on here have driven in such a state that we have almost caused accidents, slurred speech and can barely stand up? Quite a bold statement.
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Make your own judgment.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/moment-ex-liverpool-player-dean-16836559.amp
So his story changed from 1 pint to the policeman to 2 pints in court. 2 pints of beer is probably just about at the cusp so why no breath test or blood test. I thought the police could do the latter if they suspect under the influence without consent?
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My wife is very disappointed in him. He was her favourite customer when she worked in a London wine bar a year back. Always pleasant and the very first to tip big, but also say “dont listen to me, I’m thick and don’t know anything”.
Which is an interesting public comment from an egoist.
Maybe it’s part of the banter. I don’t know.
However, she is bloody angry at what he’s done, because she always thought of him as one of the “good ones” who used to drink where she worked.
She’s been enticed back after a year away to be manager, so we’ll see if he learns from his punishment.
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Make your own judgment.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/moment-ex-liverpool-player-dean-16836559.amp
So his story changed from 1 pint to the policeman to 2 pints in court. 2 pints of beer is probably just about at the cusp so why no breath test or blood test. I thought the police could do the latter if they suspect under the influence without consent?
The police can't force someone to take a breath test. Nor can they take blood without consent.
That's why there's an offence of 'failing to provide' for those that don't co-operate, like our Dean.
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Drink-driving is less forgivable, though I reckon probably 80% of the drivers on here have done it. Hope he learns from this and glad that nobody was hurt.
80% of drivers on here have driven in such a state that we have almost caused accidents, slurred speech and can barely stand up? Quite a bold statement.
I raised an eyebrow at this too.
How old are you CD?
My Dad’s generation yes, his footy team coach driver back in the day used to see the players pint for pint.
My generation no way, I’m 45, I still remember some amazing educative drama we had at school. I’ve always been aware that a drop of alcohol slows my reactions.
I truly hope our parish isn’t that foolish/selfish/dangerous.
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Drink-driving is less forgivable, though I reckon probably 80% of the drivers on here have done it. Hope he learns from this and glad that nobody was hurt.
80% of drivers on here have driven in such a state that we have almost caused accidents, slurred speech and can barely stand up? Quite a bold statement.
It would have been a bold statement, but I didn't make it.
I said people had drunk-drive. As a rough guide of what is permissable, that means driving withing 2.5 hours of having a pint or within 5 hours of having two. It doesn't mean you have to be in a state where you can "barely stand up".
I reckon loads of people have done that, especially as the average age on this site is probably over forty. Drink-driving awareness has got much better in recent years and that's a good thing.
Oh, and I'm not trying to exonerate Saunders here in any way, in case anyone thinks that. He should have known better and deserves his sentence.
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Make your own judgment.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/moment-ex-liverpool-player-dean-16836559.amp
So his story changed from 1 pint to the policeman to 2 pints in court. 2 pints of beer is probably just about at the cusp so why no breath test or blood test. I thought the police could do the latter if they suspect under the influence without consent?
The police can't force someone to take a breath test. Nor can they take blood without consent.
That's why there's an offence of 'failing to provide' for those that don't co-operate, like our Dean.
Apparently they wanted a urine sample too but he said “I took Wolves to division 3, don’t take the piss!”
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Drink-driving is less forgivable, though I reckon probably 80% of the drivers on here have done it. Hope he learns from this and glad that nobody was hurt.
80% of drivers on here have driven in such a state that we have almost caused accidents, slurred speech and can barely stand up? Quite a bold statement.
It would have been a bold statement, but I didn't make it.
I said people had drunk-drive. As a rough guide of what is permissable, that means driving withing 2.5 hours of having a pint or within 5 hours of having two. It doesn't mean you have to be in a state where you can "barely stand up".
I reckon loads of people have done that, especially as the average age on this site is probably over forty. Drink-driving awareness has got much better in recent years and that's a good thing.
Oh, and I'm not trying to exonerate Saunders here in any way, in case anyone thinks that. He should have known better and deserves his sentence.
In saying the following, one pint can make you unfit to drive. The breath, blood and urine tests measure the alcohol in your system, not how it affects you. Most countries have set the level lower than we have. One pint is unlikely to put an average sized man over the limit. There’s a chance residual alcohol in your mouth could affect a roadside reading but they and especially the proper machine at the station measure air from inside your lungs, they disregard what is in your mouth. If you were just over the limit at the station, you would be offered the more accurate blood or urine test. In short, most people failing breath tests have drunk a lot and I would be astonished if 80% of people on here had done that. Most people who refuse a test are absolutely pissed and refuse because they know they will fail at a level which will attract a higher punishment than refusing.
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A surprise in the US is the attitude to drinking and driving, it’s normal.
You go out to dinner with people and they drive home having drunk easily over the UK limit.
The difficulty is when they offer to drive you home.
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Interesting. I've been watching the US version of The Office and noticed that characters regularly seem to just get in their cars after nights out. Wasn't sure if it was reflective of real life or just a plot device to avoid lots of tedious waiting for a taxi scenes.
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Interesting. I've been watching the US version of The Office and noticed that characters regularly seem to just get in their cars after nights out. Wasn't sure if it was reflective of real life or just a plot device to avoid lots of tedious waiting for a taxi scenes.
It’s reflective and people are blaze about it.
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It struck me in Canada that all the bars were drive-up places, guess similar in parts of the US, so that doesn’t surprise me.
As far as the above goes I don't think it’s that controversial to say drink driving is not strictly a black and white issue. On one level driving with any alcohol in your system has the potential to impair you, and I wouldn’t do it. But there’s a difference between Dean Saunders being clearly pissed as a fart at the wheel, and mendaciously refusing a sample because he knows he’s fucked, and (say) someone getting nabbed the morning after a Xmas do when they don’t feel impaired and aren’t sure either way if they are technically over the limit. Not excusing it but I think it’s different morally if not legally.
In conclusion, Saunders is a tit.
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A surprise in the US is the attitude to drinking and driving, it’s normal.
You go out to dinner with people and they drive home having drunk easily over the UK limit.
The difficulty is when they offer to drive you home.
The police aren't allowed to breathalyse you over there are they?
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I'm going to make up a funny story about Dean Saunders being drunk and tell it to everybody.
I'm looking forward to hearing/reading this.
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Video footage of the police stopping him and at the police station. Doesn’t do him any favours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-49522290
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A surprise in the US is the attitude to drinking and driving, it’s normal.
You go out to dinner with people and they drive home having drunk easily over the UK limit.
The difficulty is when they offer to drive you home.
The police aren't allowed to breathalyse you over there are they?
I think it varies across states but most places it’s a sobriety test, stand on one leg and say the alphabet backwards.
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Has he lost his job at talksport ?
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Has he lost his job at talksport ?
Doubt it Brazil didn't.
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The state he's in there, he could pass for a punter in Big John's at 3am, ordering a kebab.
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Has he lost his job at talksport ?
Doubt it Brazil didn't.
Yes, the precedent has long been set. He's more likely to be given his own show, promoted umpteen times daily with humorous jingles about how drunk he is when he drives.
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Just seen the video, scummy git endangering other people’s lives.
Deserves more than he got IMO.
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A surprise in the US is the attitude to drinking and driving, it’s normal.
You go out to dinner with people and they drive home having drunk easily over the UK limit.
The difficulty is when they offer to drive you home.
The police aren't allowed to breathalyse you over there are they?
I think it varies across states but most places it’s a sobriety test, stand on one leg and say the alphabet backwards.
OK, I'm on one leg so I'll begin. Z(Zed)...
That's far enough you drunken limey bastard ! Its pronounced Zee !!
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Drink driving = absolute c u next Tuesday.
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Maybe he only had a pint of vodka!
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I think Talksport has a bit to do here. They consistently support a drinking culture with the likes of that fat, red bastard talking about getting sloshed daily. Every morning he's talking about some do, holiday or event where he's got wankered or gone AWOL for days. It's just laughed off as 'typical Brazil'. He should be disciplined like the rest of us would be and then perhaps the other presenters wouldn't end up in Canary Wharf all day drinking.
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I can't remember the last time I listened to Talk Sport. Mike Parry was the one I couldn't stand. He was an absolute twat.
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I can't remember the last time I listened to Talk Sport. Mike Parry was the one I couldn't stand. He was an absolute twat.
He still is.
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I think it varies across states but most places it’s a sobriety test, stand on one leg and say the alphabet backwards.
I can't help but wonder how many sober people would fail reciting the alphabet backwards.
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I think Talksport has a bit to do here. They consistently support a drinking culture with the likes of that fat, red bastard talking about getting sloshed daily. Every morning he's talking about some do, holiday or event where he's got wankered or gone AWOL for days. It's just laughed off as 'typical Brazil'. He should be disciplined like the rest of us would be and then perhaps the other presenters wouldn't end up in Canary Wharf all day drinking.
It’s because the show is targeting the ‘blue collar’ Audience therefore assumes everyone will love listening to their hilarious ladsy tales about meeting up at Langans before going on a piss up for the afternoon.
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That video shows what an utter fuckin knob Saunders is.
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No Sympathy from me, Drink Drivers kill.