Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on May 15, 2019, 11:04:25 AM
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Please can we stop doing them.
That is all.
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I agree. When we have a team full of players like Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, which I expect to happen in the next couple of years, by all means give it a go.
Until then, lump it in and tell Mings to shove his head at it.
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I thought they were a useful tactic last night, given the ability in the air of the defence we were up against. It's clear that the aim is to get Jack on the ball inside the box, where they are afraid to tackle him for fear of giving away a penalty.
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See also..... short goal kicks
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I think, on the whole, that was specifically to deal with tall Albion defenders and not an ongoing strategy
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See also..... short goal kicks
I really hate them. Fair enough when the oppostion is unawares, but when they are expecting them you just invite pressure and run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area.
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See also..... short goal kicks
I really hate them. Fair enough when the oppostion is unawares, but when they are expecting them you just invite pressure and run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area.
Quite agree. Way too many heart in the mouth moments as a result of them.
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I think, on the whole, that was specifically to deal with tall Albion defenders and not an ongoing strategy
Absolutely. They are solid in defence and concede little from corners. I think it's a good tactic to start with.
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Maybe, but after you could see it wasn't working there was no need to continue. And it's not like Mings and Abraham are incapable of winning a header against a tall player.
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Maybe they should practice them a bit more then, because I may be misremembering, but every single one was shit.
In any case, central defenders being tall is hardly a new phenomenon surely.
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Seems from early on in the first we decided their man mountains of Bartley, Dawson and Hegazi were impossible to win a header against.
I agree it was odd to do it on every short corner, teams tend to do it once every five corners, we were doing it 4 out of 5.
We didn't score from one so it didn't work.
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Albion are particularly good at defending them, better to play short and hopefully we pull them out of position so they are less effective. That we can't provide a decent cross from playing it short is another point.
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Albion are particularly good at defending them, better to play short and hopefully we pull them out of position so they are less effective. That we can't provide a decent cross from playing it short is another point.
They're not, SHA scored twice against them from set pieces in April.
Pretty sure Johnstone has also flapped at a few inswinging corners this season.
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See also..... short goal kicks
I really hate them. Fair enough when the oppostion is unawares, but when they are expecting them you just invite pressure and run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area.
Quite agree. Way too many heart in the mouth moments as a result of them.
I love em because Tammy is not a very good target man and the long kicks just gave them the ball. We absolutely must play out from defense they way were set up. But yes it was a bit squeaky bum time.
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See also..... short goal kicks
Re short goal kicks - we won't stop doing them , it's the basis of how Smith wants to play out from the back. Plus when we lumped it up I don't think we won many and even then the ball didn't stick.
Short corners - when we do them as a variation to catch them by surprise they might work well. When they are the norm they're easy to defend - I'd like to see a good inswinger to be attacked, or even the old near post flick on
I really hate them. Fair enough when the oppostion is unawares, but when they are expecting them you just invite pressure and run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area.
Quite agree. Way too many heart in the mouth moments as a result of them.
I love em because Tammy is not a very good target man and the long kicks just gave them the ball. We absolutely must play out from defense they way were set up. But yes it was a bit squeaky bum time.
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I don't want us to stop doing them, I want them to be done better. I think we're top in goals from set pieces, but I don't think many of them are headers from corners. With our attributes, I think it's good we try to change the angle, work something. We've not always done it, horses for courses, and keep the opposition guessing. Anyone can guess our formation and the side most weeks, but not the little changes to play the coaching team seem able to make from game to game.
And the goal kicks, they're ace. I prefer watching our defenders skimming crisp passes past the toes of optimistically hopeful attackers to contesting headers and flick-ons on the half way line. I'd move to Sheffield if that was my bag.
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I agree completely, LFS.
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I think, on the whole, that was specifically to deal with tall Albion defenders and not an ongoing strategy
This. Punting corners into the box against Baggies would have been as hopeless as our persistent and unsuccessful crosses...even the good crosses were easily dealt with by their 10 giants in the box. Very frustrating team to play against when they set up like that.
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Just mix it up. And do them better.
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it’s sometimes difficult to watch us play ourselves into trouble instead of clearing the ball
it’s sometimes difficult to see us piss about with corners instead of getting the ball into the box
but you know what I’ve waited all my life to see us play a possession type football
to see us passing it out from the back, short quick free kicks, not lumping it forward aimlessly
so I’m not going to start complaining now when we run into a few problems trying to play that style
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Nothing wrong with short corners....now and than but when it's every corner you sort of lose the tactical advantage. I do like the idea of Jack receiving the ball and heading toward the corner of the box pulling opposition players towards him.
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it’s sometimes difficult to watch us play ourselves into trouble instead of clearing the ball
it’s sometimes difficult to see us piss about with corners instead of getting the ball into the box
but you know what I’ve waited all my life to see us play a possession type football
to see us passing it out from the back, short quick free kicks, not lumping it forward aimlessly
so I’m not going to start complaining now when we run into a few problems trying to play that style
Totally agree. Safety first seems safe in the moment, but the amount of the ball you concede and the general chaos you introduce to your own game by going long every time is actually a pretty good way to ensure that the opposition get to run at your defence a few times per match, which isn't really safe.
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it’s sometimes difficult to watch us play ourselves into trouble instead of clearing the ball
it’s sometimes difficult to see us piss about with corners instead of getting the ball into the box
but you know what I’ve waited all my life to see us play a possession type football
to see us passing it out from the back, short quick free kicks, not lumping it forward aimlessly
so I’m not going to start complaining now when we run into a few problems trying to play that style
Totally agree, it's all about percentages and the opposition. Also agree that the corners should be "mixed" up and varied. But at least we're trying something different and inventive, which we've been crying out for.
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Got to agree, it was doing my head in as well. The best corner we took was the one we actually took properly.
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I kept thinking isn't Jack best suited to hang around outside the box for any clearances, like Cardiff at home last season.
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it’s sometimes difficult to watch us play ourselves into trouble instead of clearing the ball
it’s sometimes difficult to see us piss about with corners instead of getting the ball into the box
but you know what I’ve waited all my life to see us play a possession type football
to see us passing it out from the back, short quick free kicks, not lumping it forward aimlessly
so I’m not going to start complaining now when we run into a few problems trying to play that style
Amen brother, amen.
Also, regarding the playing out from the back. It was the only way we could entice the hermit crabs out their poxy shell.
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It’s fine if you mix it up, but if you keep doing it it’s way too predictable.
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It’s fine if you mix it up, but if you keep doing it it’s way too predictable.
Man City don’t mix it up
and we’re defo as good as them
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I love em because Tammy is not a very good target man and the long kicks just gave them the ball. We absolutely must play out from defense they way were set up. But yes it was a bit squeaky bum time.
I agree, Frank, but we often lumped it to Abraham in open play; rather than getting in on the floor and playing it to feet or into channels.
I've been arguing for a while to play Davis alongside Abraham, as a way to mix up the attacking approach and fight fire with fire, in response to the big bruising Championship Centrebacks. Not going to happen now, of course.
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Is it not well-known on here that we've recently won ten games in a row, went twelve unbeaten, losing two in fifteen, one of which was to the Champions in a game we don't seem to have taken very seriously, the other losing to a side playing 9-0-1 who only scored through a towel-assisted line-out* but still coming out victorious overall?
The spirit of the good ol' 442 is embedded and will take a while to expunge, it would seem.
*pinched from adrenachrome from the other day. Loved it, can't wait to use it face-to-face!
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I think, on the whole, that was specifically to deal with tall Albion defenders and not an ongoing strategy
Exactly. Three massive centre halves plus Holgate as a wing back
I thought it made sense. I just think we should have varied it more. It became predictable