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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2019, 04:53:07 PM
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Decent performance. Thank fuck for Tammy. Ipswich to go again.
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I don’t like us very much these days.
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We make it hard for ourselves every single week it seems.
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Were Ipswich excellent?
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A win’s a relief and needed, but Christ they’re the worse team in the league and that should have been more comfortable. Left back and centre mid are an absolute must.
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Two decent full backs, an energetic CDM and a CB and we'd look alright. Possibly.
The goal they pulled back set panic mode in for a while. Pretty sure they should've had a penalty as well.
Tammy is the man,
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A much needed win, but boy do we like to make it difficult. Both halves the intensity drops off after 20 mins and the opposition come right back into the game.
We go again.
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Should've been out of sight. Goal back gave them hope and we had a ropey 10 minutes. Closed the game out effectively.
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A win I guess but not buying into this Dean Smith football genius hype. Average all over.
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Three points is everything. Ipswich were marvellous, he couldn't have asked for more. We're Aston Villa they shouldn't even be on the same pitch as us. Now they got to pick themselves up and go again.
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Were Ipswich excellent?
as always
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Three points. We're not going down.
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Wooo hooooo we are up to 10th.
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If only we could get our shit together we still have to play loads of teams at the top and around us so we still could have a chance of 6th. Problem is I can’t see us doing that!
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If only we could get our shit together we still have to play loads of teams at the top and around us so we still could have a chance of 6th. Problem is I can’t see us doing that!
It depends on who is fit when we play them and in large part how the window ends up. Big week next week in that regard. The somewhat reassuring thing is we've done quite well against the teams above us and disappointed versus those below.
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Should have been more comfortable but a win is a win and is hopefully the result that gets us back on track.
And if we'd drawn or lost there'd be a lot more posts, weird.
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If only we could get our shit together we still have to play loads of teams at the top and around us so we still could have a chance of 6th. Problem is I can’t see us doing that!
No our level isn’t good enough. We concede far too many, and that’s what kills us. We don’t really tend to get easy wins. Hopefully this’ll boost confidence, we’ll get a couple of players in, and Jack will return and then we’ll kick on.
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I only saw bits of it. Thought we played okay, without being outstanding, but we didn't need to be as Ipswich were mince. Even they had a decent spell late in the second half though and could have equalised.
A win's a win but I'm not kidding myself that a dramatic upturn in form is around the corner.
McGinn's a class act. Not sure about the pen he won; there were no replays on the stream I was (intermittently) watching but the somewhat biased Ipswich types on commentary said McGinn made a massive meal of it.
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Sounds like we could of wrapped it up before the end, a wins a win though. Important to win next week, build up some momentum before Jack returns and we play our closest rivals at home.
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Thought 2-1 flattered Ipswich (who were excellent, they really were). We were dominant apart from a spell either side of their goal - though we did seem determined to try and give it away. Subs threw the shape a bit. Elmo was awful; thought Hutton did well today.
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People are happy/ content with a win. And kick off when we lose/ draw and fluff our lines.
That wasn't too clever today and I'll be quite happy to never see Chester and Mad Tom as a central two in my life again.
But not going to slate the win following two months of largely pish results.
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Big week ahead. Let's hope some of these spinning plates turn into shrewd signings.
Hutton and Taylor a bit better today when pushing further forward. It's when they are sat deeper we struggle as the defence isn't good enough to play out and we're missing Grealish who finds pockets of space. Elphick quite decent, Chester miles off the pace, expect Hause to start with Elphick soon.
Whelan tidy but nothing more. Thankful we have McGinn in there. I was critical of Hourihane last week and didn't think he was much better today. Aside from a set piece (which seems to be about 1/10) he offers little for me. Doesn't press or tackle.
Well done Tammy but thought he missed his easiest chances. Hoping the win gets some confidence back.
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Decent performance. Thank fuck for Tammy. Ipswich to go again.
Are you nuts?
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Damn, in my complete ignorance I didn't actually realise Ipswich were bottom and adrift. Not sure I'm pleased to discover that after looking at table.
I'm sure they were "excellent" though.
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Grateful for the three points, even if we weren't out of sight. I cannot see us shooting up the league without at least three or four players being brought in between now and Thursday evening. We concede far too many goals. Thank God we kept Tammy as he makes a massive difference, although he should have scored three or four, again. It's all a bit boring and we need a lift with new players coming in.
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Le Tissier on Sky said we well on top but our penalty was harsh.
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A win! The score line flattered Ipswich, we missed a few golden opportunities to score 2 or 3 more.
Negatives
Chester and Taylor- that axis on the left hand side of the defence is woeful.
Taylor and his decision making, his absence of any attacking ability doesn't couple well with Chester.
Chester and long straight balls. It's abysmal. He needs dropping and time to recouperate from his groin injury.
The panic. In reality, bar the excellent strike and the daft long ball, they offer nothing. Yet we panic. It didn't last long and that's a confidence factor too.
Transition from the defence to midfield; back to you Chester. Absolutely chronic and shows how much we're missing Tuanzebe.
Positives
A win!
Elphick making me reassess of late. Looking a much better player of late.
McGinn. He's brilliant and could have had a few goals himself.
The confidence on two nil, the passing so sharp and quick.
Better. Left back, defensive midfielder and off to Reading for 3 more points.
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And if we'd drawn or lost there'd be a lot more posts, weird.
Twice as many posts and pages at this time against Hull and three times as many posts and pages at this time by Wigan.
Odd.
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And if we'd drawn or lost there'd be a lot more posts, weird.
Twice as many posts and pages at this time against Hull and three times as many posts and pages at this time by Wigan.
Odd.
Misery loves company.
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Brummies for you.
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We won..... garbage!
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Brummies for you.
Except we're all from the shires or other such nonsense.
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I think it's more down to the fact that streams seemed to be few and far between today.
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A win! The score line flattered Ipswich, we missed a few golden opportunities to score 2 or 3 more.
Negatives
Chester and Taylor- that axis on the left hand side of the defence is woeful.
Taylor and his decision making, his absence of any attacking ability doesn't couple well with Chester.
Chester and long straight balls. It's abysmal. He needs dropping and time to recouperate from his groin injury.
The panic. In reality, bar the excellent strike and the daft long ball, they offer nothing. Yet we panic. It didn't last long and that's a confidence factor too.
Transition from the defence to midfield; back to you Chester. Absolutely chronic and shows how much we're missing Tuanzebe.
Positives
A win!
Elphick making me reassess of late. Looking a much better player of late.
McGinn. He's brilliant and could have had a few goals himself.
The confidence on two nil, the passing so sharp and quick.
Better. Left back, defensive midfielder and off to Reading for 3 more points.
Taylor played o.k.
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We’re not going up that’s what I deduced from that today.
I might rethink that when Grealish returns but as we are now no chance.
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How can a win be so dispiriting?
We made very hard work of beating a truly crap team.
There are too many players in our team who are consistently shite and the end of their days cannot come soon enough.
Taylor, Elmohamady and El Khazi are the stand out wasters.
But close behind are most of the squad with notable exceptions of McGinn and Tammy.
The football today (and over the last few weeks) resemblances the rubbish served up by Bruce, and while I am in no way calling our Smith, you have to wonder why the team has gone so far backwards from those first games under him.
And, I don’t accept it’s down to losing Jack and Tuanzebe.
Yes, they are a major factor, but some of the negative decisions and negative play from some of our players is nothing to do with the players who are missing.
The free kick at the end of the first half where we ended up gifting them a chance from our free kick on the half way line sums up the team for me.
Safety (negative) first is creeping into our game, and we invariably put ourselves under needless pressure, and it’s happening too often.
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And he’s off.
🗣 "Their penalty is never a penalty. Our penalty is a stonewaller. It hit his hand."
A frustrated Paul Lambert spoke to iFollow Ipswich after the 2-1 defeat at Villa Park. #itfc
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Does anyone know why Green wasn’t in the squad today?
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And he’s off.
🗣 "Their penalty is never a penalty. Our penalty is a stonewaller. It hit his hand."
A frustrated Paul Lambert spoke to iFollow Ipswich after the 2-1 defeat at Villa Park. #itfc
What sort of reception did he get or not get as the case may be?
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From the Lower Holte ours was a nailed on penalty.
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Just back. I suppose the only thing that counts was that we won, but as a team, we look far more than four points off the top six. He's hoping some of the plates turn into players.
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And he’s off.
🗣 "Their penalty is never a penalty. Our penalty is a stonewaller. It hit his hand."
A frustrated Paul Lambert spoke to iFollow Ipswich after the 2-1 defeat at Villa Park. #itfc
I actually tend to agree but I don't give a toss!
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Does anyone know why Green wasn’t in the squad today?
Injured in a practice game midweek.
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And he’s off.
🗣 "Their penalty is never a penalty. Our penalty is a stonewaller. It hit his hand."
A frustrated Paul Lambert spoke to iFollow Ipswich after the 2-1 defeat at Villa Park. #itfc
What sort of reception did he get or not get as the case may be?
. None, really.
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They were the better side apparently.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IpswichTown/status/1089210361323155457?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Does anyone know why Green wasn’t in the squad today?
He did an interview for AVTV in midweek which knackered him for today!
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A win I guess but not buying into this Dean Smith football genius hype. Average all over.
This is still Bruce's players. Plus a raft of injuries to key players
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23 shots versus their 8, but yes Paul you were the better team... go back under your rock and relegate another club.
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They were the better side apparently.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IpswichTown/status/1089210361323155457?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Having watched the highlights that would seem unlikely.
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Agree, feels like an empty victory to be totally. We just look so disjointed and unbalanced, and are so fragile at the back. It was a far from convincing win against a really poor Ipswich team and some of Dean Smith’s decisions are becoming a bit baffling to be honest. Elmohamady coming on was a case in point and he was pretty awful.
Hopefully some much needed recruitment can be done this week.
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If only we could get our shit together we still have to play loads of teams at the top and around us so we still could have a chance of 6th. Problem is I can’t see us doing that!
7 out of current top 9 to play at home.
Get some fresh players in and it is no way over yet
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Blimey, reading some of the comments, you'd think we'd lost. I don't know why some people bother. I know it's all about opinions but empty victory, really?
We played OK, they only had one good chance other than the belter they scored and if Abraham puts another couple of his chances away, it would have been a lot more convincing. Its a win, I'm happy.
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Does anyone know why Green wasn’t in the squad today?
He did an interview for AVTV in midweek which knackered him for today!
Hamstring injury yet again.....he's never fit for Villa.
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Was there a lot of Lambert bashing there today?
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Regardless of the performance, we missed a raft of chances. It could've been 5-1 easily.
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Decent performance. Thank fuck for Tammy. Ipswich to go again.
Are you nuts?
What’s that sweetheart?
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Was there a lot of Lambert bashing there today?
No - very muted, if not non-existent reaction to him.
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I was stood amongst the oiks at the back of the Holte. It was thoroughly enjoyable.
I didn't hear Lambert's name once.
Elmo needs to be giftwrapped and launched at South Yorkshire. He's like finding your new girlfriend's ex's Dire Straits CD lying around. So many questions. All of them starting with the words 'what' 'the' and 'fuck'.
I got a not-so-Proustian whiff of the stench of Lambert's team needing a goal and therefore spending the last five minutes + stoppages trying to get the ball from the opposition near their own corner flag. Happy days.
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Lambert’s timewasting stoppage time substitution today when his side was losing was a particularly clever move.
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Similar pattern to other games recently. Start well, score, then go to sleep for a bit.
Had enough chances especially in the second half to make the scoreline a lot more respectable, but they had a couple of chances as well - the long ball over the top, then the worldy goal which prompted our defence to go into panic mode. But they really are a poor team, and their MOM was the goalkeeper. Thought our penalty was pretty nailed on, and to be fair to TSM2 I was surprised that the ref didn't give theirs.
A win, three points, but far from convincing against the worst team in the league, and I came away from the ground feeling a bit....meh
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I have never understood why some people question others fans support just because their veiw of a game doesn’t tally with theirs.
‘Why do they bother ?’ ....... Probably for the same reasons as everyone else.
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Lambert’s timewasting stoppage time substitution today when his side was losing was a particularly clever move.
His team didn’t manage to pass the ball backwards from a goal kick, but they were close on one occasion.
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Welcome three points. Ipswich were appalling. Their GK kept the score respectable. Abraham and McGinn were very good. Elmo was poor. Our penalty looked nailed on from where UKR and I were sitting (thanks for the ticket and company). Could not tell if they had a legitimate shout for theirs. Lambert looked less ill than he did the last time he was at VP.
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They were the better side apparently.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IpswichTown/status/1089210361323155457?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
“Fantastic” “Excellent”
The man is utterly and genuinely deluded, Ipswich were hopeless apart from a fifteen minute spell either side of Sears’ (who was probably their only decent attacking player) goal. 2-1 flattered them.
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Were Ipswich excellent?
Yes they were finest Suffolk cowpat.
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11618608/aston-villa-2-1-ipswich)
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Should Kalinic have done better for their goal? It was a bit too far for me to tell, but I kind of assumed so, perhaps unfairly.
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Lambert’s timewasting stoppage time substitution today when his side was losing was a particularly clever move.
Yes I couldn't believe that. I was thinking why was play held up and looked towards the dugout and yes a team 2-1 down were making a sub in the 92nd minute. Truly astounding.
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Should Kalinic have done better for their goal? It was a bit too far for me to tell, but I kind of assumed so, perhaps unfairly.
No. Right behind it in Upper North it was precise and inch or two inside the post. Great measured shot.
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As i predicted in the pre match post,Green injured in training. Like Angela he is made of glass.BB was probably injured in training to .
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Should Kalinic have done better for their goal? It was a bit too far for me to tell, but I kind of assumed so, perhaps unfairly.
I thought he should have done better from where I was sitting. He had plenty of time to get across.
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Good win
a few dodgy minutes after they scored a decent goal , looked like they scraped the post
other than that we were on top and could have had a 5 or 6 .
SJM was very good . Need a CM and LB BAD!!!!!! oh and JG ;p
Tammy was awesome .
Lambert Out !!!
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Should Kalinic have done better for their goal? It was a bit too far for me to tell, but I kind of assumed so, perhaps unfairly.
No. Right behind it in Upper North it was precise and inch or two inside the post. Great measured shot.
Thanks mate. Just watched the highlights and yes, all credit to the Ipshitter.
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Decent performance. Thank fuck for Tammy. Ipswich to go again.
And thanks fuck for Tommy he should win the "The best use of an arm during a match" award at the end of the season.
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Great result, another goal disallowed and their goalkeeper was rather good.
Thanks for posting the highlights, Legion.
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As i predicted in the pre match post,Green injured in training. Like Angela he is made of glass.BB was probably injured in training to .
I completely forgot about Green . Another training injury , who is the coach down there Alex Murphy?
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Thought 2-1 flattered Ipswich (who were excellent, they really were). We were dominant apart from a spell either side of their goal - though we did seem determined to try and give it away. Subs threw the shape a bit. Elmo was awful; thought Hutton did well today.
I agree with all of this.
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Great result, another goal disallowed and their goalkeeper was rather good.
Thanks for posting the highlights, Legion.
Louise I thought their Keeper was very dodgy as he kept spilling almost every shot he saved and was very lucky that they all fell to his defenders. I give you his slide across to deny Tammy. That was good.
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Shame about the disallowed goal because it was a lovely finish by Albert.
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Welcome three points. Ipswich were appalling. Their GK kept the score respectable. Abraham and McGinn were very good. Elmo was poor. Our penalty looked nailed on from where UKR and I were sitting (thanks for the ticket and company). Could not tell if they had a legitimate shout for theirs. Lambert looked less ill than he did the last time he was at VP.
Legion it was the most blatant shout ever and me and all those around me were amazed the the officials either missed it or bottled it.
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Blimey, reading some of the comments, you'd think we'd lost. I don't know why some people bother. I know it's all about opinions but empty victory, really?
We played OK, they only had one good chance other than the belter they scored and if Abraham puts another couple of his chances away, it would have been a lot more convincing. Its a win, I'm happy.
Maybe it was the weather that heightened the sense of gloom. It is a win, but I thought it was a bit of an empty one (probably should have said I felt a bit empty leaving the ground rather than it being an empty win, as we really needed it) as I just didn’t think we played very well against poor opposition. They could quite easily have equalised when they hit the post, but I also accept that we missed a number of chances that could have made the score line more convincing.
With the exception of McGinn and Abraham, it just feels like it’s been the same bunch of players handing the same substandard performances game after game for weeks now. Hopefully that can be rectified this coming week and some new faces can brought in.
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Just watched the highlights and think McGinn made the most of his to put it mildly. Still can't tell clearly if theirs was a penalty or not. Ref made two great decisions, anyway.
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Lambert’s timewasting stoppage time substitution today when his side was losing was a particularly clever move.
That sounds extremely harsh - given Mr Mumbles thought his team were both "excellent" and "fantastic". It seem some of you lot were watching a different game...
*does imaginary fishing emoticon thingy*
ps I'm relieved we managed to get back to winning ways; and didn't completely fall to pieces when the mighty Ipswich inevitably grabbed a goal back. Hopefully the result will give our lot a bit of confidence and we'll witness a steady improvement over the next collection of fixtures. Well, I can hope can't I? :o
UTV
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Great result, another goal disallowed and their goalkeeper was rather good.
Thanks for posting the highlights, Legion.
Louise I thought their Keeper was very dodgy as he kept spilling almost every shot he saved and was very lucky that they all fell to his defenders. I give you his slide across to deny Tammy. That was good.
Fair enough, Aftab, I’ve only seen the highlights.
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Was there a lot of Lambert bashing there today?
No. Totally ignored, no recognition or abuse.
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Was there a lot of Lambert bashing there today?
No - very muted, if not non-existent reaction to him.
Glad to hear it. No need to give them a cause. Hopefully the same against Forest and Sheffield Weds.
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It won’t be the same for MON. Bruce is irrelevant.
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Very pleased with the win. Great delivery by Conor for the 1st goal. Our pen was a definite pen. Couldn't see their shout for one as in the holte end. Kalinic has trouble kicking the ball and distributing it to a teammate. Thought his positioning was suspect for their goal. Left side of our defence was poor today. Is Terry doing defensive training with the players? If not why not? If he is f-ck he has a lot to learn. Any midfield would be unnerved with that defence behind them. Elmo was awful when introduced. Didn't understood the substitution unless it was to show potential interested parties that Elmo is fit and ready to be moved on. Glad of the 3 points! Today's win needs to be the 1st in a winning sequence of 6 or 7+ games if we are to make an impression on top 6. UTV!
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Well much better today, when we get on it and start passing that ball at pace there’s not many can live with us in this league. Still need more composure in the final third as a few wrong options again today particularly from wide areas where the service was very poor but I felt a 3-1 would have been a fairer reflection of the play. We did make it hard for ourselves around their goal but dug in and came again. MotM for me shared again between McGinn and Abraham.
Oh and Ipswich what a niggly bunch of moaning carrot crunching fuckers, I hope there are massive delays on the A14 and they all get home ar midnight.
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Only watched the first 60 minutes, the most pleasing thing for me, other than the result, was our pressing game was almost back to its best.
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Just watched the highlights and think McGinn made the most of his to put it mildly. Still can't tell clearly if theirs was a penalty or not. Ref made two great decisions, anyway.
Ours, I had a fantastic view. Their defender didn't know he was there, he took advantage. Clever play from a clever player.
Theirs, don't know, but in the build up prior to the shout there was what looked like a handball by an Ipswich player. Appeared to shovel it forward.
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From the Lower Holte our was a nailed on penalty.
Was from the upper Holte. He pulls him. It's a foul and the referee was a yard away.
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Good to see TSM2 is as utterly duluded as ever.
We had a perfect view of our penalty, absolute stonewall. Their defender was just stupid to pull his shirt right in front of the ref!!
But yeah, OK Paul, you were better, you dominated the match and the referee conned you. Whatever.
Only real gripe for me today was the first substitution which seemed to drop us back twenty yards and invite them onto us. We certainly panicked after their goal but really should have put them to the sword, they were awful.
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Whether it hit Elphick’s arm is beside the point. It has to be deliberate handball to be a penalty and he didn’t deliberately block it with his arm.
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Thought El Ghazi was unlucky to be booked for falling over and sliding into their player.
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Wonderful to make some gains by winning
Abrahams is a dream and 30 goals should be achieved
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Thought El Ghazi was unlucky to be booked for falling over and sliding into their player.
And our goalie, booked for time wasting when there was a substitution happening!
I thought we were patchy, very good at times, too ponderous at others, Chester had a poor game but the movement in front of him when he had the ball, and time, was appalling.
Thought Elphick was very good, Whelan disciplined, McGinn superb, and the front three looked a threat.
They were pretty poor although their No6 caught the eye, not because he was any good, far from it, but I thought he did remarkably well to get through the game whilst seemingly balancing an unruly West Highland Terrier on his head.
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As i predicted in the pre match post,Green injured in training. Like Angela he is made of glass.BB was probably injured in training to .
Smith said he was just left out of the 18. I reckon he could be gone by Thursday as well.
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If people contributed towards the site they'd have known about Green being injured days ago. It's like the end of Raiders for ITK. Warehouse full in the members section.
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I have to add, it was like an episode of Wacky Races getting away from VP after the game!
Absolute cretin in the car park, people cutting each other up etc.
Some really idiotic driving. I blame Lambert.
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We go again; of course!
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Lambert’s timewasting stoppage time substitution today when his side was losing was a particularly clever move.
I sense a degree of sarcasm. Lambert is a tactical genius so far ahead of everybody else that he probably won't be truly understood and appreciated in his lifetime but will be held up by future generations as a true visionary.
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Sorry if this has been dealt with already but I just read this on the BBC Sport website match report: "Abraham's scoring streak is understood to have made him the first Villa player to score in seven successive home games for the club since the great Pongo Waring in 1932-33."
Is that correct?
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Hope it is.
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“Jesus Christ. It’s hand-ball. It’s an unbelievable decision and the linesman is standing right there. It’s blatant.”
And following up on the decision to award McGinn a penalty that Abraham subsequently converted, Lambert added: “Listen, I used to play the game.
“Judge rolls it no problem and the boy goes down. It’s not the boy’s fault, but the referee hasn’t seen it.
“That’s my big gripe on it. Two big moments he has missed.
“You create your own luck but you’re just looking for things to go your way.
“Those two decisions were incredible. Then we go an hit the post when we’re on top of our game.
“I couldn’t ask any more from the lads. I’m proud of them. I thought we were really good but the decisions disappointed me.”
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Is he fucking high?
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this on the BBC Sport website match report: "Abraham's scoring streak is understood to have made him the first Villa player to score in seven successive home games for the club since the great Pongo Waring in 1932-33."
I may be misremembering here, but didn’t Platt score in 9 home games on the bounce for us?
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Is he fucking high?
Nope, looks like he still believes the utter bollocks he’s still spouting.
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Some genuine comedy moments where our defence failed to clear and handed them chances but better finishing and we could have won by a cricket score but they should have had a pen, hit the bar and our pen was iffy. At times we outclassed them but at times we looked like Keystone Cops playing Keystone Cops reserves. Massively frustrating.
Oh, and McGinn is quality.
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From highlights I saw could have been a hand ball and pen looked dubious
It was concerning to see a long direct ball causing villa central defence problems.
However Mcginn seemed to have been unlucky not to score and had a ridic amount of shots.
Clearly villa had the attacking dominance with 23 shots and 13 on target Lambo should concede villa had the upper hand but anyway villa won and now 4 points off play offs .
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It was a definite penalty for us, he clearly tugged McGinns shirt.
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Although Sears strike is a stunner, I've just seen the Hologram's absolutely pathetic effort at closing him down.
In the perfect position, he just runs past him and then turns his back.
John McGinn was much awful backache carrying him every single week.
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Good to get a win. Started off well, scored early, all set up for a big win. Their keeper pulled off some good saves although he spilled the majority of them. Tammy and SJM were on form and running the show. Could and probably should of been 3 up by half time. Second half began and we played well and eventually got our second with a definite penalty when their defender pulled SJM 3 yards in front of the referee. They should of had a pen themselves but for some reason the ref didn't see it. They scored a cracker, which I doubt any keeper could of saved. We panicked for a while then calmed down and saw the game out.
Chester needs to be rested and get his fitness back as he is getting progressively worse every week both in confidence and ability. Keepers distribution is appalling. Tommy is far better since his return. Wheelan played ok. Taylor played ok until he made a mistake in the 70th minute which instantly and completely shot hit confidence for the rest of the match. SJM ran his heart out from start to finish. Tammy....what can I say, IMMENSE.
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Without going through the whole thread- look at their results. They are bottom of the league but they aren’t losing by cricket scores. A win is a win.
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It was a definite penalty for us, he clearly tugged McGinns shirt.
Absolutely, looked clear from lower Holte.
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It was a definite penalty for us, he clearly tugged McGinns shirt.
Absolutely, looked clear from lower Holte.
Okay thanks for clearing up .
Only seen highlights once .
Lambo Buffoon to suggest otherwise and should accept!
Any thing on the Elphick handball?
Aware it's down other end from holte but great stop wondering more body than hand
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Without going through the whole thread- look at their results. They are bottom of the league but they aren’t losing by cricket scores. A win is a win.
Good point.
However may not lose by big scores they aren't scoring goals.
There is the fact Ipswich handn't scored away for 7 consecutive matches .
6 consecutive league matches.
Last time they did 2-2 away to another lowly team bottom 3 reading .
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Whelan did good today, though I can't get used to him moving ahead of Conor in midfield. It was weird seeing Whelan ahead of Tammy on a couple of occasions. After a few losses of possession in the early stages McGinn settled down to have a great game. Hourihane's cross for Tammy was stunning. Returning midfielders will create more competition in that area. Defence is where we need proper re-enforcements. The attack with Tammy will then take care of business. UTV
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It was a definite penalty for us, he clearly tugged McGinns shirt.
Absolutely, looked clear from lower Holte.
Okay thanks for clearing up .
Only seen highlights once .
Lambo Buffoon to suggest otherwise and should accept!
Any thing on the Elphick handball?
Aware it's down other end from holte but great stop wondering more body than hand
Handball by Elphick but didn’t look deliberate but you see them given as the pundits say
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
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Sorry if this has been dealt with already but I just read this on the BBC Sport website match report: "Abraham's scoring streak is understood to have made him the first Villa player to score in seven successive home games for the club since the great Pongo Waring in 1932-33."
Is that correct?
Need Brian Green to respond as I am sure he remembers that season well😊
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
No. My expectations were exceeded by having 23 shots including 13 on target. This was, in reality, a 4-1 or 5-1 result but sometimes things don’t go the way we would want.
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
Luckily I haven’t got hair to pull out. It did feel nervy but when you reflect on the 90 minutes we should have strolled it. I love Tammy but despite his great goals tally he isn’t premier league quality yet, he would need to be more clinical.
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Whelan did good today, though I can't get used to him moving ahead of Conor in midfield. It was weird seeing Whelan ahead of Tammy on a couple of occasions. After a few losses of possession in the early stages McGinn settled down to have a great game. Hourihane's cross for Tammy was stunning. Returning midfielders will create more competition in that area. Defence is where we need proper re-enforcements. The attack with Tammy will then take care of business. UTV
For all the use he was, Bolasie going has left us a bit short of attacking wide options. Green is injured quite often and along with El Ghazi, looks better coming off the bench in the latter stages of games. That just leaves Adomah along with a number of players who aren't natural wide players.
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How much did Dean Smith play with wingers at Brentford? It’s possible that having two wingers isn’t how he wants us to play in the future. That wing play is a tactical option based on who we play against versus having to play with them due to limited options in the squad.
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Hourihane executing a bizarre "just jog past him" attempt at closing down Sears prior to him scoring.
A variation of this seems to happen every week.
I am not anti-Hourihane, he racks up the assists and weighs in with goals but fuck me, how many times does he totally fail to close down the opposition when he should do?
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Pretty sure Platt scored in 8 consecutive home league games in 89/90. We had 2 home LC games during that run and he scored in the first v Wolves but not the second against West Ham. So league games only then Tammy is the first since Platt, if it's including cup games then it's probably since Pongo.
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Hourihane executing a bizarre "just jog past him" attempt at closing down Sears prior to him scoring.
A variation of this seems to happen every week.
I am not anti-Hourihane, he racks up the assists and weighs in with goals but fuck me, how many times does he totally fail to close down the opposition when he should do?
The goal was too far away from me to comment on that, but I did see Hourihane close people down on a few occasions and he even made the odd tackle. Whether that's damning with faint praise, I don't know.
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I'm sure he scored in 8 league games in a row aswell PWS. Starting with the home loss to QPR which we can't talk about, running through to the game against arsenal at Christmas.
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Sorry if this has been dealt with already but I just read this on the BBC Sport website match report: "Abraham's scoring streak is understood to have made him the first Villa player to score in seven successive home games for the club since the great Pongo Waring in 1932-33."
Is that correct?
Need Brian Green to respond as I am sure he remembers that season well😊
Naughty - but I smiled!
I wonder who's the eldest contributor on here?
I'm a band at 64.
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Apart from a mad 10 minutes, when we let them back in, we controlled the game without really excelling.
We got lucky with the handball and then there was the header that hit the post, but Tammy could have had 4 and McGinn a couple, but no criticism of them as yet again they were the best we had.
I thought Kalinic was going to save the goal, but in fairness I was at the side so not the best view. His kicking is terrible and more noticeable since Smith has largely abandoned playing from the back.
Taylor and Chester had one or two comical moments that probably would've been punished by better opposition; just hope we can get a couple of defenders in as there has to be better options and we've had plenty of time to plan and get someone in.
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Hourihane executing a bizarre "just jog past him" attempt at closing down Sears prior to him scoring.
A variation of this seems to happen every week.
I am not anti-Hourihane, he racks up the assists and weighs in with goals but fuck me, how many times does he totally fail to close down the opposition when he should do?
He did an even worse one quite early in the first half, when he jumped and turned his back on a player shaping up to cross on our left hand side. The player just took it past him and into the box.
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
No. My expectations were exceeded by having 23 shots including 13 on target. This was, in reality, a 4-1 or 5-1 result but sometimes things don’t go the way we would want.
Ipswich were the worst side I’ve ever seen at Villa Park and we were the width of the post away from drawing.
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Abraham is so good that, not only is he the best striker in the league (perhaps the best the Championship has ever seen since it's been called that. He scored 23 for Bristol City too), he has a decent shout of being our best defender. On a couple of occasions, and he's done it all season, he chased his man on the ball deep into our area and calmly dispossessed him with no fuss at all.
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You could spin it that way. But if we're going to be fair and give every chance a goal, then they could have had 2 and we'd have had 8.
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
No. My expectations were exceeded by having 23 shots including 13 on target. This was, in reality, a 4-1 or 5-1 result but sometimes things don’t go the way we would want.
Ipswich were the worst side I’ve ever seen at Villa Park and we were the width of the post away from drawing.
Surely there's a Villa performance that deserves that accolade?!
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How much did Dean Smith play with wingers at Brentford? It’s possible that having two wingers isn’t how he wants us to play in the future. That wing play is a tactical option based on who we play against versus having to play with them due to limited options in the squad.
Can't recall to be honest TV. Seem to remember them playing with more tucked in wide players (Ollie Watkins for example) with the full-backs providing the width. I don't think we have the players to play that way at the moment.
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Chuffed to see a win again but we made hard work of it through lax finishing and harum scarum defending.
Chester looks poor at the back and was both outmuscled a few times and also terrible in possession ( not that we help him out with our movement ahead of him).
McGinn was generally very good and Tammy did well, but should really have had a hat trick. We started to play good football for a while at 2-0 and a 3rd would have given us enough breathing space to really enjoy it and develop more confidence. Given our recent form a real missed opportunity.
I was in the upper Holte and thought ours was a stonewall penalty. The bloke next to me thought it was a dive. And a fair number of people around me applauded their goal so I figure the keeper was not at fault.
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How much did Dean Smith play with wingers at Brentford? It’s possible that having two wingers isn’t how he wants us to play in the future. That wing play is a tactical option based on who we play against versus having to play with them due to limited options in the squad.
Can't recall to be honest TV. Seem to remember them playing with more tucked in wide players (Ollie Watkins for example) with the full-backs providing the width. I don't think we have the players to play that way at the moment.
Getting rid of Bolasie, I don’t know if he will commit to El Ghazi, Green I think will end up leaving. It won’t shock me to see a more compact 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-2-1 system in the future. Wingers are just fantastic at their best and a complete luxury when they only contribute to one side of the game. I love Ash for his immense work rate at both ends of the pitch but too often wingers don’t do that. When you combine that with useless full backs our flanks become easy areas for opponents to expose.
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How much did Dean Smith play with wingers at Brentford? It’s possible that having two wingers isn’t how he wants us to play in the future. That wing play is a tactical option based on who we play against versus having to play with them due to limited options in the squad.
Can't recall to be honest TV. Seem to remember them playing with more tucked in wide players (Ollie Watkins for example) with the full-backs providing the width. I don't think we have the players to play that way at the moment.
Getting rid of Bolasie, I don’t know if he will commit to El Ghazi, Green I think will end up leaving. It won’t shock me to see a more compact 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-2-1 system in the future. Wingers are just fantastic at their best and a complete luxury when they only contribute to one side of the game. I love Ash for his immense work rate at both ends of the pitch but too often wingers don’t do that. When you combine that with useless full backs our flanks become easy areas for opponents to expose.
Could see it being a bit of a variation of how Wolves set up last season. They played three at the back, pushed their wing backs on and tucked their wide players in. I think you could do that with a back four, with a defensive midfielder dropping back to make a three when the full backs push on.
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Ipswich are a very poor side and we were Tammy and SJM better than them.
Taylor Hourihane Chester Albert were poor and Elmo when he came on was awful.
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It was a definite penalty for us, he clearly tugged McGinns shirt.
Not from my angle in the Wilton lane, SJM felt contact and went down theatrically I’m afraid.
Every one sitting near me saw it the same way.
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A win I guess but not buying into this Dean Smith football genius hype. Average all over.
The new manager bounce is long gone when there was movement all over the pitch. Now many of the players look like they can't be bothered again. The recovery of Jedinak will improve things although Whelan did okay today. But Elphick and Taylor need to be replaced in that defence.
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And he’s off.
🗣 "Their penalty is never a penalty. Our penalty is a stonewaller. It hit his hand."
A frustrated Paul Lambert spoke to iFollow Ipswich after the 2-1 defeat at Villa Park. #itfc
I am not convinced that our penalty was a penalty. It looked very theatrical.
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More from him.....
“The performances have improved since I've been at the club."
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It was a definite penalty.
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Although Sears strike is a stunner, I've just seen the Hologram's absolutely pathetic effort at closing him down.
How many times have we seen that this season? Sooo frustrating.
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We managed to make a poor team look quite good.
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That's largely the way I saw it. The difference was Abraham and McGinn. They actually looked better than us defensively.
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I think we’ve got to start Jedinak if he’s fit enough, just to tighten up the defence a bit
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Abraham is so good that, not only is he the best striker in the league (perhaps the best the Championship has ever seen since it's been called that. He scored 23 for Bristol City too), he has a decent shout of being our best defender. On a couple of occasions, and he's done it all season, he chased his man on the ball deep into our area and calmly dispossessed him with no fuss at all.
Given his attitude, workrate and propensity to dish out bollockings and praise, were he not only on loan, there would be a sound case to make him captain.
A fine player, and man.
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If that display doesn’t have people pulling their hair out then our expectations have been very effectively managed downwards.
No. My expectations were exceeded by having 23 shots including 13 on target. This was, in reality, a 4-1 or 5-1 result but sometimes things don’t go the way we would want.
I remember waiting months, literally months, for us to accumulate such figures.
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As bad as elmo was when he came on jedi was no better! Lacked composure and leadship and had no calming influence on the team. He's not the answer going forwards. Loved that exquisite through ball by Conor to Tammy in the 2nd half from which he should have secured his hatrick. Shame really cause he deserved the matchball.
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Highlights can be misleading. But they give the impression that:
We were well on top but could have blown it
The midfield three was a lot better than of late, especially hourihane passing
Adomah was a threat but el ghazi wasn't
Mcginn and Tammy could have had a hat trick each
Chester was yet again beaten by a simple long ball over the top. I couldn't tell if that should have been a pen
There was quite good pace to our game
When you're in a bad run it's unlikely you're going to suddenly put in a perfect performance so I'll take that
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Abraham is so good that, not only is he the best striker in the league (perhaps the best the Championship has ever seen since it's been called that. He scored 23 for Bristol City too), he has a decent shout of being our best defender. On a couple of occasions, and he's done it all season, he chased his man on the ball deep into our area and calmly dispossessed him with no fuss at all.
Given his attitude, workrate and propensity to dish out bollockings and praise, were he not only on loan, there would be a sound case to make him captain.
A fine player, and man.
Yes, his all round performance was excellent yesterday. Worked incredibly hard and has a really intelligent footballing brain- he actually thinks about what he’s doing.
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Abraham is so good that, not only is he the best striker in the league (perhaps the best the Championship has ever seen since it's been called that. He scored 23 for Bristol City too), he has a decent shout of being our best defender. On a couple of occasions, and he's done it all season, he chased his man on the ball deep into our area and calmly dispossessed him with no fuss at all.
Given his attitude, workrate and propensity to dish out bollockings and praise, were he not only on loan, there would be a sound case to make him captain.
A fine player, and man.
Totally agree. Keeping him has been a massive plus and I dread to think what would have happened if he’d left given the rest of the transfer window activity so far.
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Highlights can be misleading. But they give the impression that:
We were well on top but could have blown it
The midfield three was a lot better than of late, especially hourihane passing
Adomah was a threat but el ghazi wasn't
Mcginn and Tammy could have had a hat trick each
Chester was yet again beaten by a simple long ball over the top. I couldn't tell if that should have been a pen
There was quite good pace to our game
When you're in a bad run it's unlikely you're going to suddenly put in a perfect performance so I'll take that
I haven’t seen the highlights. I went to my first match since we imploded and I found it very interesting to see for myself what people have been saying about our defence. They do pretty well for periods but there are times where they are unbelievably lax and casual and get caught in possession in dangerous positions. Then they become hesitant which just makes it worse. I think Axel is a massive loss as he was a lot more composed than this lot. Having said all of that, Elphick was good. Kalinic’s distribution is shocking. Essentially, the defence don’t always defend very well and they are very slow to get the ball out, plus they don’t always give it to their own team. A decent team would have punished us yesterday. By contrast, the midfield, I thought, were pretty good. Hourihane and Adomah did well as did Kodjia when he came on and, of course, McGinn and Abraham were a class apart.
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Some utter drivel gets spouted about "soft" penalties. What does that garbage even mean?
Did Judge foul McGinn? Yes, he quite clearly and obviously did. It's a foul. It was in the box, so it's a penalty. There is no debate to be had.
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Since the shocking performances against Swansea, Wigan and the first half against Hull, we've come back from being two goals down and should have beaten Hull in the second half and although yesterday wasn't the best we've played, I've seen us play a lot lot worse and we looked fairly comfortable until they scored their worldie. That three points might now give us the confidence to go on a bit of a run.
Oh, and I thought it was a pen as well.
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I travelled the 200+ miles there and back - traffic was a nightmare - and was hoping to see an emphatic home win against the worst side in the division. We won, and I'll 'enjoy' it, as we don't get many these days, and we won't play Ipswich at home again for a long while.
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
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traffic was a nightmare
This is what happens when the owners tell all and sundry that they're not bothered about the traffic management flow outside of Villa Park.
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Played some good stuff and should have won by more, but our defence is bloody shocking with Chester having yet another nightmare at the back. If nothing happens in the transfer market this week (regarding the defence) we can kiss goodbye to the play-offs.
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Chester is playing with a groin injury and should really be rested but there is currently no other viable alternative.
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Oh and the pen to us was nailed on. From where I was sitting (lower Holte) you could see their defender pull back McGinn just as he was about to attack the ball. A stone wall penalty. Lambert should shut his miserable mouth and scuttle off back to Ipswich with his tail between his legs.
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I'm surprised that there is any debate about our penalty to be honest, he pulled McGinns shirt 5 yards in front of the ref.
Their penalty claim while it was accidental by Elphick, I'd be going mad if it was against us.
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From the highlights I saw thought both penalty or non penalty decisions could have gone either way. Shame Tammy didn't get his hat trick but what a striker, re Albert's disallowed goal, he should never have been offside in the first place, he could see clearly across the line.
Was wondering what the fans thought of James Collins' performance.
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From the highlights I saw thought both penalty or non penalty decisions could have gone either way. Shame Tammy didn't get his hat trick but what a striker, re Albert's disallowed goal, he should never have been offside in the first place, he could see clearly across the line.
Was wondering what the fans thought of James Collins' performance.
Other than give the ball straight to one of our players in the second half, i thought Collins had a decent game for them.
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Collins was rock solid yesterday - immensely better than either Chester and Elphick. It’s a pity we didn’t keep him on for the short term.
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Collins was/is exactly what we need. What was all the ripping up contracts because he was injured stories about then?
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Some utter drivel gets spouted about "soft" penalties. What does that garbage even mean?
Did Judge foul McGinn? Yes, he quite clearly and obviously did. It's a foul. It was in the box, so it's a penalty. There is no debate to be had.
I think that there are grey areas between robust challenges and fouls and ball to hand/hand to ball and lots of other aspects of a fast moving contact sport. When a penalty is given for something in one of those grey areas, a decision that maybe five referees out of ten fully sighted would give and five wouldn’t then it’s what some would call a soft penalty. I was on the half way line and I didn’t see anything wrong but lots in the Holte End did.
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traffic was a nightmare
This is what happens when the owners tell all and sundry that they're not bothered about the traffic management flow outside of Villa Park.
Perhaps this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47013978) might have been a factor?
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I actually thought SJM took a dive - but I don't care because we won. Sometimes you need luck on your side and it was with us yesterday when we needed it most. But for a post and a penalty decision that also went our way, they would have got something from the game they probably didn't deserve, even though they weren't as bad as some on here claim.
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traffic was a nightmare
This is what happens when the owners tell all and sundry that they're not bothered about the traffic management flow outside of Villa Park.
Perhaps this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47013978) might have been a factor?
Took me an hour to get home when normally it’s 20 minutes.
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traffic was a nightmare
This is what happens when the owners tell all and sundry that they're not bothered about the traffic management flow outside of Villa Park.
Perhaps this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47013978) might have been a factor?
No, I've never heard of him either.
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traffic was a nightmare
This is what happens when the owners tell all and sundry that they're not bothered about the traffic management flow outside of Villa Park.
Perhaps this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47013978) might have been a factor?
Few things in life depress me more than the insane popularity of vloggers. It's no wonder the country's in a mess, it's bursting with people who make celebrities of thickos.
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I'm claiming the obligatory crap 'can he play left back?' joke.
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Would an 'in the hole' joke be inappropriate?
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Always worth it for the Gif!
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Not as comfortable as i hoped but an important win to keep us in sight of the top 6 before the reinforcements arrive.
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It's a bit worrying to me that McGinn has turned into Tonev in front of goal.
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He absolutely belted that one in the first half the keeper spilled, other were more half cues that came at him very quickly. He did well to be there to hit them.
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I was sat in the Lower Trinity and everyone was laughing because it looked like McGinn blatantly dived to get the penalty. It depends on your view I suppose. Generally everyone in the Holte seems to think it was the right decision lol. I also think Elphick deserves a mention. He had a very steady game, geeing the the other players on. One header he did in the first half was insane really. I think he was half-falling over so there was no way he could kick the ball but he dived in with the ball about 2 feet off the ground to nick it off an Ipswich player with his head just outside our box. Fantastic commitment.
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
My first reaction was McGinn dived and seeing it back on telly my mind has not changed.
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I saw Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
The Globe
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It's a bit worrying to me that McGinn has turned into Tonev in front of goal.
I felt bad for mentioning that out of the corner of my eye, he was once standing in a fashion that reminded me of Westwood. But this is just cruel.
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Funny that, I saw his sister. She begged me to stay with her.
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
My first reaction was McGinn dived and seeing it back on telly my mind has not changed.
From my spot in the LTR, I thought that McGinn was grabbed by the shoulder and pulled down. The TV camera, being on the other side of the field, doesn't show this.
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Thought the ref gave us the best of the decisions yesterday. Makes up for that circus of a game against QPR and that clown of a referee.
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He absolutely belted that one in the first half the keeper spilled, other were more half cues that came at him very quickly. He did well to be there to hit them.
Much as I love him so it’s not a criticism but I wonder if that worldie is a bit of any albatross round his neck. He looks as if he’s maybe tensing up a bit when he shoots, almost trying too hard.
But if only we could accuse all of our team of trying too hard, it would be a nice problem to have.
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Abrahams is a funny one - difficult to knock his goalscoring record but he does tend to miss at least one sitter per game and it's not beyond the realms of possibility for him to have had 25-30 goals by now. And yesterday failure to convert our chances (not just Abrahams) could have cost us all three points given that they hit the post and had a very good shout for a pen. Plus I'm not 100% convinced ours was a pen, but a better shout than the one given against Whelan v Swansea. That would have been a travesty but it should never have been that close.
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
He was there with his brother, Mike to watch our new loan signing -- he was heard to say " a Hause, a Hause , Mike (kin) come for a Hause" or sonnet like that
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
He was there with his brother, Mike to watch our new loan signing -- he was heard to say " a Hause, a Hause , Mike (kin) come for a Hause" or sonnet like that
Much ado about nothing there
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
My first reaction was McGinn dived and seeing it back on telly my mind has not changed.
From my spot in the LTR, I thought that McGinn was grabbed by the shoulder and pulled down. The TV camera, being on the other side of the field, doesn't show this.
That's what it seemed to me as well but that's with my crap eye sight and biased opinion.
Chester needs a break,he's getting slower and slower because of his injury.Surely there are better younger players than Taylor and Elmo who yesterday werent up to the woeful standard.I actually think we were far worse than against Hull as I can't remember having seen a worse side than Ipswich in any league game including Division 3 at VP. If that is a normal performance from them,I wouldn't be surprised if they are in the 4th tier after next season.
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Chester is playing with a groin injury and should really be rested but there is currently no other viable alternative.
Does raise big questions about Hause then. Why loan a player who clearly isn't fit and ready to play?
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Regarding the two penalty decisions. I'm honest enough to admit that if they'd been given one like JM's, and we had Not been given a similar hand ball decision to theirs, I would be claiming we were hard done by.
I rather suspect I would not be on my own, on herd, either.
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Chester is playing with a groin injury and should really be rested but there is currently no other viable alternative.
Does raise big questions about Hause then. Why loan a player who clearly isn't fit and ready to play?
Like Bolasie for the first six weeks? We're mugs by getting these players fit for other clubs!
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I have watched the SJM penalty a few times now and had a great position in the ground.
If that had been given against us there would be hell to play on here.
But in view of the shit decisions we have had to put up with and the fact it was against Lambert, I am prepared to forgive the referee on this occasion.
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Chester is playing with a groin injury and should really be rested but there is currently no other viable alternative.
Does raise big questions about Hause then. Why loan a player who clearly isn't fit and ready to play?
Like Bolasie for the first six weeks? We're mugs by getting these players fit for other clubs!
We did a great Job for Australia with Jedinak.
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I thought the referee made excellent decisions for both penalty shouts.
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I saw Craig Shakespeare before the game. What club is he with now?
I wonder if he was watching anyone or just here for the game.
He was there with his brother, Mike to watch our new loan signing -- he was heard to say " a Hause, a Hause , Mike (kin) come for a Hause" or sonnet like that
Just don’t name the Scottish Manager.
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I thought the referee made excellent decisions for both penalty shouts.
Did not see the other one.
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Neither did I.
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Chester is playing with a groin injury and should really be rested but there is currently no other viable alternative.
Does raise big questions about Hause then. Why loan a player who clearly isn't fit and ready to play?
Like Bolasie for the first six weeks? We're mugs by getting these players fit for other clubs!
I'd assumed we got him as loan with right to buy so, if he turns out to be a crock, we could send him back. Seems a more sensible approach to buying injured players than what's gone on with Micah Richards. All speculation on my part though, could be horrendously wrong
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If you were in the Holte then you'd have had just as good a view as the referee did.
Don't put your hands on a player, don't pull him back, don't foul him. Penalty all day, every day.
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If you were in the Holte then you'd have had just ad good a view of the referee.
Don't put your hands on a player, don't pull him back, don't foul him. Penalty all day, every day.
This. I'm the first to shake my head if one of ours goes down too easily looking for a penalty, but yesterday I reckon I'd have been one of the first shouting at the ref for that one.
It was an absolute stonewall and just stupid by their defender. People can make as many three second gifs and moan about it as they want, it was a 100% pen.
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It's Paul Lambert. The Man tries to deflect criticism, shortcomings and inadequacies by trying to cover it all up with the whole world being unfair and that his team was brilliant no matter how crap they've been. He did it at Villa, Wolves, Stoke and now Ipswich.
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I have watched the SJM penalty a few times now and had a great position in the ground.
If that had been given against us there would be hell to play on here.
But in view of the shit decisions we have had to put up with and the fact it was against Lambert, I am prepared to forgive the referee on this occasion.
I was in the upper Holte directly behind the goal and immediately shouted for a penalty. The contact was slight but enough to put McGinn off balance, after which he added some theatrics. The bloke next to me just thought it was a dive.
Their defender didn’t protest much so I figure he thought he was guilty too.
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The reaction from the defender told the story. I was in the upper Witton and from Beth minute the ref blew he was holding his head in his hands like a man who knew he'd been caught out.
To be fair, their penalty shout looked clear too.
The match had a kind of depressing feel to it. Difficult to pinpoint why, but it was gloomy. The weather maybe.
Our march to 6th remains on.
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
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The reaction from the defender told the story. I was in the upper Witton and from Beth minute the ref blew he was holding his head in his hands like a man who knew he'd been caught out.
To be fair, their penalty shout looked clear too.
The match had a kind of depressing feel to it. Difficult to pinpoint why, but it was gloomy. The weather maybe.
Our march to 6th remains on.
I agree re the depressing feel. The Holte felt flat for a good part of the game. Walking back to the car after the game with my nephew we were talking as much about the negatives as the positives.
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The reaction from the defender told the story. I was in the upper Witton and from Beth minute the ref blew he was holding his head in his hands like a man who knew he'd been caught out.
To be fair, their penalty shout looked clear too.
The match had a kind of depressing feel to it. Difficult to pinpoint why, but it was gloomy. The weather maybe.
Our march to 6th remains on.
I agree re the depressing feel. The Holte felt flat for a good part of the game. Walking back to the car after the game with my nephew we were talking as much about the negatives as the positives.
I was in the middle of the Trinity Road and everyone was moaning like fuck.
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
But the problem with that is he removed any kind of protection the defence had, so when the opposition get the ball there is absolutely nothing stopping them running straight at our terrible defence.
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But they didn't.
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
But the problem with that is he removed any kind of protection the defence had, so when the opposition get the ball there is absolutely nothing stopping them running straight at our terrible defence.
We were playing Ipswich, they were crap and they didn't score again. He probably wouldn't have made the same subs if we were playing a top six team
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Funny that, I saw his sister. She begged me to stay with her.
And you replied ‘No, momma, let me go.’
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
But the problem with that is he removed any kind of protection the defence had, so when the opposition get the ball there is absolutely nothing stopping them running straight at our terrible defence.
We were playing Ipswich, they were crap and they didn't score again. He probably wouldn't have made the same subs if we were playing a top six team
you mean like Vs Leeds when it was going wrong all he did was put attacking players on instead of trying to stop what was happening?
So yes he would have made the same subs as he already has done that against a top 6 team.
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
But the problem with that is he removed any kind of protection the defence had, so when the opposition get the ball there is absolutely nothing stopping them running straight at our terrible defence.
We were playing Ipswich, they were crap and they didn't score again. He probably wouldn't have made the same subs if we were playing a top six team
you mean like Vs Leeds when it was going wrong all he did was put attacking players on instead of trying to stop what was happening?
No, not at all, when we were playing Ipswich
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remember that film years ago where two people swap bodies
I think that happened to Smith and Bruce after the first month of Smith being here
same players
Same tactics
Same results ( Bruce would often win games against rubbish sides normally hanging on at the end with a one goal lead)
same old same old
where did that fresh young manager go that we first had
I want him back
(If it’s all about Jack being out we are in trouble with this manager....again)
The thing that alarmed me yesterday about Smith was when we conceded rather than putting Jedinak on for Whelan to try and sure things up he replaces Whelan with Kodjia, had we been playing better opposition that would have caused us all sorts of problems like it did vs Leeds where when it was going wrong Smith just kept putting attackers on. That sub meant that 6 minutes later Smith had to waste our final sub just correcting that decision.
I think he follows the adage of "attack is the best form of defence" so he brought Kodjia on to push them back, whereas bringing Jedinak on would of let them push forward. I for one would do anything to keep the ball away from our defenders at the moment
But the problem with that is he removed any kind of protection the defence had, so when the opposition get the ball there is absolutely nothing stopping them running straight at our terrible defence.
We were playing Ipswich, they were crap and they didn't score again. He probably wouldn't have made the same subs if we were playing a top six team
you mean like Vs Leeds when it was going wrong all he did was put attacking players on instead of trying to stop what was happening?
No, not at all, when we were playing Ipswich
No but you said he wouldn't do it vs a top 6 team, But he has done it against a top 6 team, when it was going wrong vs Leeds his answer was just to throw on more attacking players. Which is what he was doing when he put Kodjia on for Whelan yesterday so again he has done it against a top 6 team.
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Ipswich were impressed with the referee yesterday ......
"Some of the most diabolical refereeing decisions ever made in the Championship yesterday saw Town go down to a single goal, against a very lucky Villa side. They say you make your own luck in football as in life itself but the luck that Aston Villa had yesterday was clearly manufactured by the man in the middle. Referee Keir Stroud has a chequered past when it comes to refereeing Ipswich Town in the Championship and over the years he has often been on the wrong side of the Tractor Boys. He has refereed Town more times than any other ref this season and on the three occasions he has been in charge, Town has suffered at his expense. None more so than yesterday, when he bizarrely gave Villa a penalty when Alan Judge was penalised for apparently pushing John McGinn – who flew through the air as if he was sky diving! I have looked at the evidence again and again and again, and I can see not even the faintest physical contact with the Villa player. Then when Collin Quaner broke clear and rounded the keeper, only for the ball to be swept away from a certain goal, by the arm of Tommy Elphick. Once again Stroud did not favour the Blues and a stonewall penalty was denied.
Throughout the afternoon, Stroud would work as Villa’s extra man and whether it was an advantage that was not played – or a drop ball after a Villa player held his head over the goal line to avoid an Ipswich cross, Stroud was always there to repeatedly make the wrong decisions. He is without a doubt in my view, the worst referee in English football and that really takes some doing! He was the ref I seem to recall who should have sent the keeper off when he clouted McGoldrick last season which resulted in a long term injury. Stroud’s refereeing record is far from complementary and it does not just impact upon Town."
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Funny that, I saw his sister. She begged me to stay with her.
And you replied ‘No, momma, let me go.’
I thought that if you had a Champion's League medal, then it meant that you were a gegenpresser. I can smile about it now but at the time it was terrible.
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Has Alan Brazil spontaneously combusted yet?
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It's Paul Lambert. The Man tries to deflect criticism, shortcomings and inadequacies by trying to cover it all up with the whole world being unfair and that his team was brilliant no matter how crap they've been. He did it at Villa, Wolves, Stoke and now Ipswich.
Aye, the bloke is an absolute shithouse.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
The balloon was awful yesterday aswell.
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Just a bit! Absolutely dire.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
i'm Not saying Elmo is any good but even better players will crack eventually if the opposition is allowed to apply constant pressure on them
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
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Smith > Bruce
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
i'm Not saying Elmo is any good but even better players will crack eventually if the opposition is allowed to apply constant pressure on them
He wasn't put under pressure. There was no pressure. He was unmolested. And heads it back to Roof. 94th minute. What. A. Moron.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
i'd rather be competitive and quite frankly so far under Smith we are not.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
i'd rather be competitive and quite frankly so far under Smith we are not.
Utterly mental.
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Did you miss a few games at the start of his tenure?
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How do you even begin to justify such garbage?
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
i'd rather be competitive and quite frankly so far under Smith we are not.
Utterly mental.
Was you there yesterday, when the final whistle sounded it was a strange atmosphere now loud celebrations no singing Don't look back in anger, just polite clapping seems fans might be a bit unconvinced.
yeah great start (if you ignore Norwich and QPR away) but what about all these easy games we have had where we've managed a grand total of 2 wins and both of those have been unconvincing.
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Dam I've done it again i've questioned he who can't be questioned and upset the Cult Of Smith.
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No, You've come out with an opinion and you're being challenged to justify it. You're deflecting from your inability to justify it with bollocks.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
i'd rather be competitive and quite frankly so far under Smith we are not.
Utterly mental.
Was you there yesterday, when the final whistle sounded it was a strange atmosphere now loud celebrations no singing Don't look back in anger, just polite clapping seems fans might be a bit unconvinced.
yeah great start (if you ignore Norwich and QPR away) but what about all these easy games we have had where we've managed a grand total of 2 wins and both of those have been unconvincing.
I was there yesterday. Plenty of people had fucked off before the final whistle. Lots of people sang DLBIA around me in the upper Holte. If there had been a cacophony of riotous jubilance I have no doubt at all that you'd be on here writing 'it was a routine win against Ipswich ffs. Bruce got no credit for winning games like that...'
Bruce's team, of course, failed to score a goal against them when they had 10 men for the majority of the game.
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I'm sorry but I'm not sure what planet you're on.
I distinctly heard cheering at the final whistle and then heard supporters applauding the players after a first home win since Blues.
Surely a time to enjoy?
The cult of Smith is rather desperate I might say.
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We lost to Leeds because Elmo is a fucking baloon.
Put under enough pressure then eventually something will give. Surely some protection is better than no protection the subs vs Leeds meant that Leeds could go at our defence with little to no resistance.
The Steve Bruce Kool Aid really has done a number on you Stuart. This failsafe policy of yours (and He Who Queues For Kebabs's), which would be performed every week when we held a lead, quite often resulted in an equaliser.
Give me an optimist over a scaredy cat every time.
i'd rather be competitive and quite frankly so far under Smith we are not.
Utterly mental.
Was you there yesterday, when the final whistle sounded it was a strange atmosphere now loud celebrations no singing Don't look back in anger, just polite clapping seems fans might be a bit unconvinced.
yeah great start (if you ignore Norwich and QPR away) but what about all these easy games we have had where we've managed a grand total of 2 wins and both of those have been unconvincing.
People are fed up with DLBIA now, and I would only expect loud celebrations at the final whistle after a big win or a derby win, not beating the team bottom of the league.
I’d also put a great deal of the flat atmosphere on the dreadful weather. Upper tiers might not have appreciated how dire it was for much of the match. The gusting rain in L7 was like intermittently having someone throw a bucket of water over you from your left.
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For me, at the moment, there isn't as much difference between Smith's Villa and Bruce's Villa as I hoped.
I'm grateful for small mercies though. All hail 3 points at home to the mighty Ipswich Town!
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For me, at the moment, there isn't as much difference between Smith's Villa and Bruce's Villa as I hoped.
I'm grateful for small mercies though. All hail 3 points at home to the mighty Ipswich Town!
Nobody has called for hailing, as far as I can see. In fact, as Amfy has pointed out, the north westerly gusting wind and accompanying horizontal precipitation was sufficient to dampen the spirits and indeed, bodies of those fans in exposed areas of the ground.
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I'm calling for hailing!
After the last few weeks I'll take anything. ;)
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There is quite a lot of difference between Smiths Villa with Tunzabe and Grealish and without.
And a shit load of difference between a Smiths Villa with those two and anything Bruce Put together.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
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We press more under Smith. we stop pressing after 20 minutes in the first half. The team are reminded the need to press again at half time and it does for a period of 15 minutes. That’s 35 minutes more pressing than Bruce ever managed. We also create more, always look like we might score and if we go behind the game isn’t always over.
That in my book makes Smith’s Villa vastly different to Bruce’s and that’s with all of Bruce’s recruits.
To say there’s no difference between the two means you’re either on a wind up or, you don’t have a clue about what you’re watching.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
There are, in my opinion, about 4-5 players in the squad that would be here if Smith had picked it and they're the players who can play the way he wants us to. 2 injuries shouldn't have a big impact but when it's 40-50% of the players who can do what the manager is asking for it's a much bigger thing than 2 players from a squad of 25-30 players. The only thing that's really disappointed me so far is that he's stuck with picking players who clearly can't do it instead of throwing in a few of the kids who might be able to. I understand why, and for their careers it might be the right decision, but I'd still rather see 1 of Whelan or Jedinak out of the 18 and replaced by Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke. I'd be happy to have a bench of 4-5 "kids" for the rest of the season.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
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That Smith needs his own players isn't misleading in any way, shape or form. He's clearly about a high pressing game, only a few from the dis-jointed squad that Bruce left him are capable of doing this for a sustained amount of time, unforunately we lost 2 of those to long term injuries and this has coincided with our down turn in form. Should he then of adapted to a style that suited the players we had left? Maybe, but that is easier said than done and exactly the same problem that one of the most highly rated young managers in the World is now struggling with at Spurs.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
In some ways it might be the best squad on paper but there are a huge number of problems with getting them to play how Brentford were playing under Smith because there really aren't many players who would be signed into a squad that was being setup to play that way.
With lots of players out in the summer I think, if he doesn't turn things around and get us into the playoffs, next season will see a squad that looks weaker but is much more tailored for what we want to do.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
In some ways it might be the best squad on paper but there are a huge number of problems with getting them to play how Brentford were playing under Smith because there really aren't many players who would be signed into a squad that was being setup to play that way.
With lots of players out in the summer I think, if he doesn't turn things around and get us into the playoffs, next season will see a squad that looks weaker but is much more tailored for what we want to do.
When Smith was appointed, was the remit to sort the club out in the Summer, or was it to get the club promoted this season? Because when he was appointed I seem to remember people thinking the latter. It’s only since everything has started going so badly that people have started revising their expectations. It is only worth giving a manger time if you have the right person, and I don’t think we have that
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
In some ways it might be the best squad on paper but there are a huge number of problems with getting them to play how Brentford were playing under Smith because there really aren't many players who would be signed into a squad that was being setup to play that way.
With lots of players out in the summer I think, if he doesn't turn things around and get us into the playoffs, next season will see a squad that looks weaker but is much more tailored for what we want to do.
When Smith was appointed, was the remit to sort the club out in the Summer, or was it to get the club promoted this season? Because when he was appointed I seem to remember people thinking the latter. It’s only since everything has started going so badly that people have started revising their expectations. It is only worth giving a manger time if you have the right person, and I don’t think we have that
Well of course! Similarly it was only when the Titanic hit an iceberg that people started wondering if it was really as indestructible as it was cracked up to be. People are revising their opinions based on the current situation, I don't see what's remotely baffling about that.
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Might this be addressed directly by the owners come Thursday night? If money is forthcoming, or not?
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Might this be addressed directly by the owners come Thursday night? If money is forthcoming, or not?
Well, we've paid £7m for a keeper already so I suggest it is. I'd presume we're trying to get certain players rather than just sign anyone for the sake of it if we can help it.
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yes and my point, as I suspect you knew, was that there might not be any more money in this window.
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The most important thing was getting three points which we did now we can hopefully go on a run and start to climb the table.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
I agree the whole this isn't Smiths players is a bullshit excuse. Just look down the road Gary Monk is a bang average manager who has taken over a squad that isn't his own and has been surviving relegation season after season and look where he's managed to get them. The squad we have compared to theirs is massively better but yet we find ourselves on pretty much equal terms with them.
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And where was the it isn't his squad when we had that brief spell of playing well and winning games? It was all see this is what a real manager can do with this squad. All of a sudden its all gone badly wrong and its now because it isn't his squad and it's unbalanced and not good enough.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree Rougegorge. With the restrictions increasing further next season and loans such as Tuanzebe and Abraham going back, this is most likely the best squad DS will have. The last 10 games have been unbelievably poor, and the ‘DS needs his own players’ thing is misleading. If he can’t do it with these players I have serious doubts about whether he can do anything next season
I agree the whole this isn't Smiths players is a bullshit excuse. Just look down the road Gary Monk is a bang average manager who has taken over a squad that isn't his own and has been surviving relegation season after season and look where he's managed to get them. The squad we have compared to theirs is massively better but yet we find ourselves on pretty much equal terms with them.
It isn't bullshit. Monk has been at the Blues for 11 months, kept them from relegation and had the summer to work with what he's got. He's done a remarkable job in that respect results wise. Blues don't play entertaining football or possession football. They let the opposition have the ball for the majority of the game and try and hit on the break. Maybe that's as good as his squad of players can be but that wouldn't wash at Villa as the brief is to play good football and entertain our way back to the premiership. Birmingham's ambition is to not get relegated and sneak into the play offs if possible.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree with Brian's quote and you cannot compare Smith, who was appointed in between the summer and the mid season transfer window with Bielsa who had a pre season to buy, sell and coach his players at Leeds.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree with Brian's quote and you cannot compare Smith, who was appointed in between the summer and the mid season transfer window with Bielsa who had a pre season to buy, sell and coach his players at Leeds.
No, I acknowledged that time is needed and I agree that a pre-season would have been beneficial.
I just think that Dean can be evaluated, even with the current players at his disposal, as that is what many managers have to contend with.
He got a big tune out of a 'dysfunctional' squad for a 5 week spell in the late autumn; so it's even more frustrating that we have been so off-key in the 5 weeks since Christmas, admittedly without our best player.
I would have expected the trend to have gone from a continuation of being 'out of tune' to being more 'in tune'.
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The fundamental reason why performances under Smith are not massively different from those under Bruce is that Smith has at his disposal the dysfunctional squad assembled at great cost by Bruce. Smith cannot be judged fairly until he has his own players playing the way he wants them to play.
I get the sentiment, as he needs time, but I think he can still be judged to a degree, as getting a tune out of a team is the mark of a good manager and a lot of people on here were saying that the players in the squad actually were good enough by the end of the first transfer window.
Leeds only added a couple of first team players in the summer and Bielsa has transformed what was a distinctly average team into a good team that will be promoted.
I agree with Brian's quote and you cannot compare Smith, who was appointed in between the summer and the mid season transfer window with Bielsa who had a pre season to buy, sell and coach his players at Leeds.
No, I acknowledged that time is needed and I agree that a pre-season would have been beneficial.
I just think that Dean can be evaluated, even with the current players at his disposal, as that is what many managers have to contend with.
He got a big tune out of a 'dysfunctional' squad for a 5 week spell in the late autumn; so it's even more frustrating that we have been so off-key in the 5 weeks since Christmas, admittedly without our best player.
I would have expected the trend to have gone from a continuation of being 'out of tune' to being more 'in tune'.
Without our best player and our best defender plus a previously well performing centre half playing through an injury. Add to that having only one left back on the books who has missed games with injury and is in any case playing poorly and our iffy form of recent weeks is no surprise.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
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yes and my point, as I suspect you knew, was that there might not be any more money in this window.
You may well be right but it might not necessarily be the reason if no-else comes in. Sonetimes clubs don't do anything if they can't get the player they want. Tottenham didn't sign anyone in the summer when they couldn't sign Grealish.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
Now I know you're on a wind up.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is.
It’s a crap opinion. Actually it’s fucking nonsense. That’s my opinion.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
Now I know you're on a wind up.
Villa75 is right about Tammy but not McGinn.
I'm not Jack's biggest fan but he's better than McGinn
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Different players really. We need both Jack and John in the team and build a team around them.
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Were Ipswich excellent?
According to Alan Brazil!
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See the Villa fan arrested with the knife has apologized. Seems genuine enough and he says he accepts all the consequences. Now off course he said he was never going to use which got my scepticism needle going given he was picked up doing coke in a bathroom stall. One can only assume the knife was at hand should things have gone wrong or had any met other unsavoury characters given those types of activities. He said it was a work tool...
I expect he’ll be getting a length Villa Park ban outside of whatever the legal ramifications are.
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I have a feeling that I might have seen this chap and his friend being dealt with by the police on Witton Lane. I was practically the last person to leave the Holte. One of them (the fellas, not the police) was in tears, seemingly experiencing a sudden rush of the realisation that he'd been a berk. They were pinned up against the fence. They looked like kids, maybe 18 at a push.
Obviously it could easily not have been them.
Here ends my pointless post.
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Thank you SE. I feel not so alone now.
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Thank you SE. I feel not so alone now.
It has always been about us, Olaftab.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is.
It’s a crap opinion. Actually it’s fucking nonsense. That’s my opinion.
It's also changed quite considerably since last week when he wanted to send Tammy back.
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is.
It’s a crap opinion. Actually it’s fucking nonsense. That’s my opinion.
It's also changed quite considerably since last week when he wanted to send Tammy back.
Opinions are like arseholes,
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I don't agree that Jack is our best player. If I was asked which players I would most like to keep, Tammy and McGinn would be ahead of Jack.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is.
It’s a crap opinion. Actually it’s fucking nonsense. That’s my opinion.
It's also changed quite considerably since last week when he wanted to send Tammy back.
I can want him sent back, as the owners have indicated that promotion is not expected or required this season - to give our own players a chance - and still know he's a better player than Grealish.
Anyone above average intelligence would have worked that out, without it having to be pointed out to them.
Tammy has been immense this season. His goals have made the difference in keeping us mid table. But, as we're nowhere near the top 2, we're not going down with the points he's already earned us, and we've zero chance of keeping him, why not start building for the future now?
If we're talking about all things being equal, I would rather have Tammy long term than Jack. Same goes for McGinn for me. Much more consistent and valuable to the team, long term, than the inconsistent Jack.
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I'm not sure why anybody would abandon a season at a point where we're 4 off the Play Offs, with 6th to come to Villa Park, our better players to come back and a chance to strengthen.
It seems to me like we have a good chance of finishing in the top 6 and only a fool would want to send the best forward in the league back.
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A fan saying they would send the top scorer in the league back is not to be taken seriously.
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Calling Jack inconsistent sums up, for me, why you've posted so much rubbish in the last couple of weeks. If you can't see the difference that Jack makes after this period without him or the difference he made to us last season when he came back from injury then you may as well be watching a different game. Tammy is good, he scores goals, McGinn is easy to admire because he works he tits off, Jack makes everyone around him better at their game, that's why Tottenham wanted him last summer and it's why someone will offer £35-40m this summer, he's not just the best player at the club, he's the best player in the league.
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A fan saying they would send the top scorer in the league back is not to be taken seriously.
With owners going all out for promotion, and a manager getting better results, I wouldn't have to be even considering it.
As it is, the owners have made it clear they're planning long term, the manager's struggling to get a constant tune out of what he has, and we're 10th having played one more game than some teams above and below us. We're not going up, with things as they are - Jack or no Jack - and keeping Tammy is no more than cock waving without any real purpose.
I keep hearing about how we're doing things a different way, but I'm yet to see any evidence of it.
Back to the main point. Tammy is the best player at the club but, he's not, and is never going to be ours.
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I think you would be hard pressed to find anybody, on any forum, since the internet was invented, that has chatted as much nonsense as you have over the past couple of weeks.
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Best ignored me thinks.
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Calling Jack inconsistent sums up, for me, why you've posted so much rubbish in the last couple of weeks. If you can't see the difference that Jack makes after this period without him or the difference he made to us last season when he came back from injury then you may as well be watching a different game. Tammy is good, he scores goals, McGinn is easy to admire because he works he tits off, Jack makes everyone around him better at their game, that's why Tottenham wanted him last summer and it's why someone will offer £35-40m this summer, he's not just the best player at the club, he's the best player in the league.
I would suggest, being a Villa fan, you're a little biased.
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I think you would be hard pressed to find anybody, on any forum, since the internet was invented, that has chatted as much nonsense as you have over the past couple of weeks.
A little over dramatic. Bless you.
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Best ignored me thinks.
Please feel free to take your own advice.
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Calling Jack inconsistent sums up, for me, why you've posted so much rubbish in the last couple of weeks. If you can't see the difference that Jack makes after this period without him or the difference he made to us last season when he came back from injury then you may as well be watching a different game. Tammy is good, he scores goals, McGinn is easy to admire because he works he tits off, Jack makes everyone around him better at their game, that's why Tottenham wanted him last summer and it's why someone will offer £35-40m this summer, he's not just the best player at the club, he's the best player in the league.
I would suggest, being a Villa fan, you're a little biased.
What are you then?
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Calling Jack inconsistent sums up, for me, why you've posted so much rubbish in the last couple of weeks. If you can't see the difference that Jack makes after this period without him or the difference he made to us last season when he came back from injury then you may as well be watching a different game. Tammy is good, he scores goals, McGinn is easy to admire because he works he tits off, Jack makes everyone around him better at their game, that's why Tottenham wanted him last summer and it's why someone will offer £35-40m this summer, he's not just the best player at the club, he's the best player in the league.
I would suggest, being a Villa fan, you're a little biased.
What are you then?
A Villa fan that true to stay in touch with reality, rather than walk about with Claret and Blue tinted specs on all day.
Nothing wrong with a bit of reality now and again. Especially when you're an adult.
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Yes, suggesting we return a loaned player that has scored 19 goals before the end of January beggars belief. That's coming from someone that generally dislikes loans and who's favourite player is still Koj.
As for the Abraham / Grealish / McGinn debate, McGinn is a good player and likeable chap but is a couple of rungs down on the other two. Jack is pretty inconsistent, he does seem to need someone behind him prodding to get the best from him whereas Tammy is the opppsite, very consistent and self motivated. For all his goals, has Tammy put in the sublime level of performance we've seen at times from Jack (Blues and Wolves at home last season spring to mind)? No for me. Have we missed Jack since he's been injured? Hell yes, we've nosedived.
Who would I sooner see as a permanent player here next season if I had to choose? I think that would depend on the numbers (£) but if it's £35m in for Jack and £35m out for Tammy I think Jack would edge it.
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Back to the main point. Tammy is the best player at the club but, he's not, and is never going to be ours.
I don't like us loaning players but to say he's never going to be ours is an extremely pessimistic view of the Villa. I reckon if we go up by winning the play offs he will stay.
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Calling Jack inconsistent sums up, for me, why you've posted so much rubbish in the last couple of weeks. If you can't see the difference that Jack makes after this period without him or the difference he made to us last season when he came back from injury then you may as well be watching a different game. Tammy is good, he scores goals, McGinn is easy to admire because he works he tits off, Jack makes everyone around him better at their game, that's why Tottenham wanted him last summer and it's why someone will offer £35-40m this summer, he's not just the best player at the club, he's the best player in the league.
I would suggest, being a Villa fan, you're a little biased.
What are you then?
A Villa fan that true to stay in touch with reality, rather than walk about with Claret and Blue tinted specs on all day.
Nothing wrong with a bit of reality now and again. Especially when you're an adult.
An adult who's spent a few weeks throwing a tantrum on the internet for example? An adult who's been desperate to claim that the board have derailed our season by saying we don't need to be promoted this season?
On my claims about Jack, let's take an impartial judge, transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/marktwerte/wettbewerb/GB2) gives every players a market value and they have Grealish as the 2nd most valuable player in the league behind Butland but personally I refuse to see a goalkeeper as the best player in the league because it's far too specialist a position to be comparable.
How about stats.
Smith with Grealish: 2.33 goals and 1.89 points per game
Smith without Grealish: 1.50 goals and 1.25 points per game
Last season with Grealish: 1.63 goals and 1.85 points per game
Last Season Without Grealish: 1.47 goals and 1.74 points per game
As I said, we're a better team when Grealish plays, and Under Smith, who is making the most of him, that difference is even clearer than it was last season.
Both the market value and the stats back up my opinion so posting shit like claret and blue tinted specs and claiming people who think he's the best player in the league aren't grown up is right up there with your growing list of bullshit.
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You're in a reality all of your own Villa75.
What you reckon, send Tammy back and sign Beckford?
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You're in a reality all of your own Villa75.
What you reckon, send Tammy back and sign Beckford?
Holy Moses. Not yet another incarnation of Cooper's Injury.
Say it ain't so, Joe please, say it ain't so. The humanity!
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Fair play to you Villa75 you do appear to have got the usual suspects spitting their dummies.
You clearly know your football and for what its worth I agree entirely with your assessment of Tammy, Mcginn and Jack the lad.
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You're in a reality all of your own Villa75.
What you reckon, send Tammy back and sign Beckford?
He came up in a quiz the other day. Last Leeds player to score against Man U.
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You're in a reality all of your own Villa75.
What you reckon, send Tammy back and sign Beckford?
Ah, Christ. It can't be Cooper's Head Injury.
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I think you would be hard pressed to find anybody, on any forum, since the internet was invented, that has chatted as much nonsense as you have over the past couple of weeks.
I don't know, Coopers brain injury was tough to top.
And that six fingered Aussie div, Troy Freckles.
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Fair play to you Villa75 you do appear to have got the usual suspects spitting their dummies.
You clearly know your football and for what its worth I agree entirely with your assessment of Tammy, Mcginn and Jack the lad.
Personally I would like to keep all three of them and build the team around them. I also think Tammy is the best striker we’ve had for many a year regardless of what any stats may say. The rest quite frankly can be binned
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Readig your posts Villa75 it sounds like you haven't got over losing Steve Bruce yet and you certainly have a problem with Villa fans managing or playing for Aston Villa. Never mind you can soon start posting on the sheff wed forums when brucey starts there Friday-that may cheer you up!
Sh-t I've left myself open to an inevitable sh-t comeback from Villa75!