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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2019, 04:38:11 PM
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JUST FUCKING ABYSMAL
3-0 down and it has been massively inept. Another season and a wasted FA Cup.
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Not enjoying watching us at all recently.
Hutton, Elphick, Whelan, Hogan = absolute rubbish. That's 4 players out of 11. Hutton and Whelan in particular are very surprising inclusions game after game. I thought Smith was this progressive forward thinking manager.
I'm not impressed with his recent selections or tactics at all.
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We’re fucking hopeless. Get proactive in the market and Dean you need to sort this the fuck out.
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Absolute shite... Lessons learnt from today:
1) Lansbury needs a run in the team... at the expense of Whelan.
2) Bree needs a run at RB - I wasn't a Hutton hater till recently, but he desperately needs dropping.
3) If Tammy is off, Jimmy needs to play up front. May have lost his edge since injury, but he's the best we have left... by a country mile!
4) Hogan needs to go. Now.
5) Is Hogan still here? Go. Just GO! Now!
6) We're destined for another season down here in the mire. :(
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We're not very good,
We're not very good,
We're not very, we're not very,
We're not very good!
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Not bothered we're out but yet another piss poor performance. We have been shit since the Albion game. Our football has been as bad as anything under Bruce and the defence looks worse.
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No way we're going up. And if we did can you imagine...?
Need to build a proper team. Not sure whats happened to our style of play
Only positive for me is lansbury, who did more within 5 mins than whelan and ohare had done all game
Hogan fluffed his audition. Tho I think I missed the first 15 where he did have chances
Oh dear.
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Not bothered we're out but yet another piss poor performance. We have been shit since the Albion game. Our football has been as bad as anything under Bruce and the defence looks worse.
It really has gone to shit. Last two games have seen us play lots of aimless long balls too. I'm really surprised by that.
Smith needs time to work on this team. I hope he's given it and I hop e he's got the personality and toughness to get through this spell.
We just don't look right at all
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Hogan missed what looked a sitter from the Holte in the first -5,but let’s be honest didn’t have any service. A case of the other team wanting it morntoday.
Lansbury and to a lesser extent Davis looked bright once they came on.
Not sure why O’Hare came off instead of Whelan either.
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I'd like to see Lansbury in the next game. I'd also like to see Keinan Davis given a bit more time to see what he can do.
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How was the honeymoon for you?
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What a honking great pile of shit. No positives from that at all, just major questions marks all over the pitch and in the dugout.
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62 years and counting...
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I think the honey moon is over. I don't think anyone is surprised by today as we have shown utter contempt for this trophy in recent years regardless of how strong the team is. Between now and May it's about giving Smith time to build up a head of steam and develop his team and his style. Last few weeks havent been too clever but let's see what he does with his own signings because at the end of the day these are Bruce's players. Enough with the loaning signings. It's too short term and as the Abraham situation shows it can bite us in the arse too often.
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... at the end of the day these are Bruce's players.
Some of them aren't even our players.
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Left early, what has happened, not long ago I left Pride Park with my son feeling top of the world, too a shite December & an abysmal performance today. We aren’t doing the basics.
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... at the end of the day these are Bruce's players.
Some of them aren't even our players.
Bar El Ghazi they where all our players today unfortunately ,or we could send some of them back !!
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The strength in depth is concerning, but then we all knew that. What is really bloody concerning is that our playing style is no better defined now than it was before Smith arrived. No defensive strength, no robust links between midfield and attack. Set pieces look our likeliest avenue to scoring and we can't guarantee those. We don't press, there's no pace, and the one player that can tie all of those deficiencies together and make something of them is probably out for another month at least.
The players today should be playing the way in which Smith wants Aston Villa to play. Regardless of ability there should be a recognisable, positive aspect to how we're going to compete. And there just isn't. You can blame injuries and fixture congestion but other teams have marvellous Christmases, play exactly the way they play and get on with it, while we're slotting in players if they're fit and hoping that'll do.
Personally, and I know it's unrealistic, but I would have expected an outfield signing to have started today because we all know, as Smith knows, what's needed. Instead, we're losing another without any means to fight it. It's all highly frustrating and doesn't make the thought of Villa in 2019 any more appealing.
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... at the end of the day these are Bruce's players.
Some of them aren't even our players.
Exactly
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It's the change in style I'm shocked by
We look like a bad version of a Steve Bruce team
I guess confidence really can make a big difference. Can't be all grealish
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The optimism was nice while it lasted.
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Dean had better come clean in the post match that he royally fucked up today. Not fussed about losing in the Cup, but some of the question marks over team selection and general performance need questioning today.
This was reminiscent of the old Spud 'Ed days. Even with our injury woes - Nowhere near good enough.
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Wonder how the manager defends that in his interview. Swansea starting more regulars than us or not, that was fucking woeful.
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... at the end of the day these are Bruce's players.
Some of them aren't even our players.
Does not excuse that piss poor performance
Exactly
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The last minute WBA and Leeds last minute goals have really killed things. Attacking verve lost since WBA (and Grealish not being around).
Getting done by Leeds second half has reallly killed any confidence in the defence, they really are awful every game now.
Not good and today showed the folly that existing attacking options can just take over from Tammy no problem....he would've buried that Hogan early chance.
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I think what has happened is that our squad have looked at Smith and seen Steve Bruce Mk2. Nothing has changed. Steady as she goes. Backwards.
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Don’t know what’s worse
not taking the FACup seriously and putting out a weak side and getting knocked out
or taking it reasonably seriously puttting our a strongish side and still getting knocked out
it’s not good
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Absolutely abject.
Elphick Hutton and Taylor utter garbage. El Ghazi is a lazy bastard. If we lose Abraham and Hogan is part of our coping strategy then we have had it.
Whelan again - he does nothing other than slow the game down, totally past it.
I didn't see the point in yanking O'Hare from a match we'd clearly lost when leaving him on to get more experience would have at least salvaged something.
There is zero chance of this shit show getting promoted.
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I think what has happened is that our squad have looked at Smith and seen Steve Bruce Mk2. Nothing has changed. Steady as she goes. Backwards.
He needs a chance and time. The biggest threat to us is the negativity of fans. Last few atmospheres shocking. No coincidence nyland at his worst in front of the holte end
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Well its been coming...….Just got to hold our nerve till reinforcements/players return. With the best will in the world I don't think smith has much room to manoeuvre
1. Whelan, Hutton totally past it. No-one playing today in the back 4 you'd say was a quality defender. Why did we start the season with them?
2. Hogan just awful. Only real alternative was Kodjia but its not much of choice really and with Abraham going, he had to try Hogan at some point. I'm sure Kodjia will get a go now and anyone else who's willing to play there.
3. He tried the youth in O'Hare and he was bobbins. If he's the best of them, then again why bother playing them?
Whole thing is a massive "chickens coming home to roost" exercise. Unfortunately the guy who masterminded it, is watching cricket in the west indies,
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I think the honey moon is over. I don't think anyone is surprised by today as we have shown utter contempt for this trophy in recent years regardless of how strong the team is. Between now and May it's about giving Smith time to build up a head of steam and develop his team and his style. Last few weeks havent been too clever but let's see what he does with his own signings because at the end of the day these are Bruce's players. Enough with the loaning signings. It's too short term and as the Abraham situation shows it can bite us in the arse too often.
Spot on Deano . I hope this new regime learn a big lesson from the Abaraham situation. You cannot build a team long term with loan signings. They should be used as emergencies only.
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The biggest threat to us is the negativity of fans.
No, the biggest threat to us is the alarming lack of quality throughout our squad and over-reliance on a handful of players.
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The kids need loans. No point writing them off yet
I didn't think elphick was as bad as some have said?
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Expecting Hogan to replace Abraham is a Gestede-for-Benteke level of delusion.
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Absolute rubbish.
Hogan, Bree, Adomah, Hutton, Taylor, in fact all of 'em apart from Lansbury, O'Hare, Davis and possibly Elphick, all utter garbage.
No urgency, giving the ball away sloppily, ball-watching, no physicality, no movement off the ball, no support of the player in possession, aimless long ball hoofs that Bruce would be proud of...and none of that is because Jack is injured. The new manager bounce has well and truly evaporated and now as the pressure and expectation begin to mount we'll see how good Dean really is. I hope he gets us back on track, and quickly.
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The biggest threat to us is the negativity of fans.
No, the biggest threat to us is the alarming lack of quality throughout our squad and over-reliance on a handful of players.
It’s our fault again, ok!!!!!
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For all Lansbury’s good play when he came on which surprised me really, he showed what an idiot he can be with that reckless tackle he was very lucky to not get sent off for.
Hogan needs to go. He’ll never be a player for us.
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We're an incredibly average side without Grealish and Abraham. Smith has got a colossal job on his hands.
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For all Lansbury’s good play when he came on which surprised me really, he showed what an idiot he can be with that reckless tackle he was very lucky to not get sent off for.
Hogan needs to go. He’ll never be a player for us.
At least Lansbury showed something in his spell. More than Whelan.
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Left the house just after 1pm, sold out by the time I got there, home about an hour ago. Could have been worse - I could have got in.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
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Negatives
Whelan. Fuck off. He's so slow. If you watched the game from abroad today, then congratulations, you were closer to a Swansea player than Whelan.
He has to sit 5 yards in front of the back four, as he's so slow, but gets nowhere near. He stands off, because he can't get closer.
He slows down everything we do. He's lamentable. For all the problems Grealish and his absence has created, him coming in has doubled the problem.
Hutton. This is Smith's fault too with his moronic selections, but Christ he's shite.
McGinn's decision making. I think it's a symptom of his tiredness.
Defensively we cannot play without any defensive cover. We're too open. Far too open. The goals we're conceding at home are embarrassing.
O'Hare. Very poor. Gave the ball away continually.
Hogan. Fuck off.
Positives
Lansbury looked good.
As bad as at Brammell Lane. The performances have dropped off a cliff. We've been awful; Stoke, Leeds, Swansea, Preston, QPR and Swansea.
Not good enough. The mash of garbage Bruce has left us with is atrocious.
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Total utter garbage, no tempo, passion or desire!
The only players I exempt from that are O'Hare (DS obviously doesn't like him, perhaps because he tries too hard), McGinn and Hutton, the rest showed absolutely nothing! What a waste of a journey going to watch that utter pile of poo!
How can Bree be classed as a right back when he doesn't get forward because he knows he can't cross a bloody football!
Anyway let us see how DS progresses as at the moment he confuses me!
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
I thought the same. What was that about?
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
The Ellis era back.
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Total disrespect for the fa cup and total contempt for our support both in selection and the club’s official ground attendance given out
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Very concerning how the form has been so poor since the Albion game and today sounds the worse of the lot. Wigan away next, who are in terrible form, so nothing else than a convincing win will do.
Only good news today, is Ipswich also knocked out, so the match with them on the 26th goes ahead as scheduled.
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Thing is, as angry as I am, if you asked me to swap today's shite and the 4th round for taking 6 points off them, I'd tell you to fuck off.
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We are going backwards at a rate of knots.
What has happened to moving the ball quicky, pressing high up the pitch and attacking in numbers with pace and power?
Although there is little hoofball, the general style of the way we have played since the Albion game has been very Bruce like.
And that not just down to Jack being out.
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just home. quite the worst performance I have seen since Middlesboro turned us over in the League Cup 2-0. I think o'Hare played that night and he was just as appalling today. Not that he was the only one - Kalinic made Nyland look world class and if I see Hutton or GW in a Villa shirt again I will simply stop supporting the club let alone attending. However, the biggest surprise to me was the crowd - it looked a lot more than 30,500 and they certainly deserved more. Yes it is still the previous incumbent's team, but the honeymoon's over for Dean.
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I'd like to see Lansbury in the next game. I'd also like to see Keinan Davis given a bit more time to see what he can do.
Yeah I thought Lansbury looked good when he came on. Davis also. His movement was excellent. As for the rest only Mcginn gets any credit from me. The defence is just shockingly bad but we already knew that. And what happened re the crowd? 30,000. They must be joking. There's no fucking way there was 12,000 empty seats today.
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Relive the tedium (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46730668)
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The tail off in form can't be solely due to Grealish being out. We have been worse since Tuanzebe got crocked as well and with Chester nursing an injury too I think Smith has seen Whelan as a necessary evil to cover a (even more) weakened defence. That doesn't seem to be working so we may as well go back to playing at high tempo on the front foot and trying to outscore teams.
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Total disrespect for the fa cup and total contempt for our support both in selection and the club’s official ground attendance given out
I'm not sure there was too much wrong with the selection. It was a stronger side than I thought it was going to be.
It was awful though. Only Mcginn looked bothered.
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Before everyone and their dog comes on here slating Hutton off, he is a right back being asked for the first time to play left sided centre half, which personally I thought he did okay in the circumstances as he won a good few headers from Swansea's set pieces and tried to carry the ball out of defence but don't let that stop you as the other three defenders played brilliantly didn't they?
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Total disrespect for the fa cup and total contempt for our support both in selection and the club’s official ground attendance given out
That crowd has got to be a mistake.
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That was as bad as anything served up in the last 10 years, fucking disgrace.
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Right now I absolutely don’t want us promoted. If you think today was embarrassing against Swansea Fucking City us getting promoted somewhat fortuitously thought the playoffs we’d get battered week in week out. We’d spend a shed load of cash on a disjointed group of players on a base of utter shit. Our squad depth is absolutely non existent.
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Total disrespect for the fa cup and total contempt for our support both in selection and the club’s official ground attendance given out
That crowd has got to be a mistake.
Some of the players definitely are.
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Thing is, as angry as I am, if you asked me to swap today's shite and the 4th round for taking 6 points off them, I'd tell you to fuck off.
Yes. But that we took 6 points from them suggests we shouldn’t have been completely battered by them on our own patch.
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Before everyone and their dog comes on here slating Hutton off, he is a right back being asked for the first time to play left sided centre half, which personally I thought he did okay in the circumstances as he won a good few headers from Swansea's set pieces and tried to carry the ball out of defence but don't let that stop you as the other three defenders played brilliantly didn't they?
Thing is, he's past it. Not his fault but like Whelan he should have been pensioned off last season. If he read the game like Terry did, then it wouldn't be so much of a problem but he's now approaching Lescott levels of being off the pace.
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That was just awful. Swansea pulled our pants down and gave us a good spanking. McGinn the only Villa player to come out of that with any credit, all the others were just poor. I never want to see Hogan or Whelan in a Villa shirt again. Hogan's had enough chances now and he's just not got it - he had two chances early in the game - 1 hard, 1 easy - and he never looked like scoring. And Whelan is just slow and ineffective.
If the rumours are true that Tammy has gone to Wolves, I think we can kiss goodbye to the play-offs - we just don't have another natural finisher in the team.
The only plus of the day - I joined the fire drill 5 minutes after their third went in so got home in record time
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I agree, today was a fucking embarrassing moment that I can't quite get my head round. From start to finish, players on big money, no shape, no heart, no fight and no quality, jesus that was crap.
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Not sure if it’s different for the FA Cup and how the gate us calculated, but there were hundreds of empty seats around the ground where season ticket holders were no shows. Bit like the team!
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Not sure if it’s different for the FA Cup and how the gate us calculated, but there were hundreds of empty seats around the ground where season ticket holders were no shows. Bit like the team!
What would you say the crowd was?
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Bored senseless.
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We came
We stank
We lost
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Total disrespect for the fa cup and total contempt for our support both in selection and the club’s official ground attendance given out
It was a much stronger 11 put out than v Posh a year ago.
In fact when you actually look at who was playing it's not far off what we were playing in our good run two months ago.
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Not sure if it’s different for the FA Cup and how the gate us calculated, but there were hundreds of empty seats around the ground where season ticket holders were no shows. Bit like the team!
What would you say the crowd was?
Looking round the ground, I could see quite a lot of empty seats, but I wouldn't say 1 in 4. 35ish, if I'd had to have a guess.
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Everyone seems convinced Abraham is going as he didn’t figure today. It must be the same outcome for Bolasie in that case.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
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That was absolutely appalling.
We were schooled from start to finish by a Swansea side who passed the ball around us for fun. Not the first time they've come to VP and done that. Their No.23 must have been a 12th man because he was always in acres of space.
Amongst all the dirge, I was gobsmacked at that first change. Hogan did the square root of fuck all, service or not, look fucking interested or just do me a favour and fuck off. Then Jimmy is put in O'Hare's position?!!!
In a few weeks we seem to have lost the feelgood factor and certainly lost any swagger we were playing with.
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Just watched Dean's interview, what does give me confidence is that he doesn't pull punches and his citing of McGinn as an example was particularly pertinent. I do get the feeling that he is a bit naive at times and wears his heart on his sleeve but I still retain faith. I just hope it's repaid.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
There is no way there were 12000 empty seats and we always announce tickets sold rather than bums on seats. As do all clubs.
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It was embarrassing as usual. For me this was the most important match of the season and once again it was treated with total disrespect by the team (players and management). I hate modern day football. Just fuck off to all of them.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
Wrong. A guesstimate amongst us conservatively put it at plus 35,000
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Well today instead of getting the chainsaw out and cutting up a load of oak I decided to go to villa park. How I wish I would have got stuck in to that oak.
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Everyone seems convinced Abraham is going as he didn’t figure today. It must be the same outcome for Bolasie in that case.
The non-inclusion in the squad is less of a worry than the Beeb and Sky, as well as a host of other news sites, reporting that Abraham is close to signing for Wolves. I think he's off unless there's some technicality preventing it.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
There is no way there were 12000 empty seats and we always announce tickets sold rather than bums on seats. As do all clubs.
Yes there probably were. I chose to not sit in my normal seat in the North Stand and went up a few rows and there were at least 10 empty rows across the width of the stand and many other pockets of areas all over.
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From where I was sat, in the lower Holte, there seemed to be more fans than v QPR
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
Wrong. A guesstimate amongst us conservatively put it at plus 35,000
Hmmm.. that I am afraid does not make the Club a liar.:)
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
Wrong. A guesstimate amongst us conservatively put it at plus 35,000
Hmmm.. that I am afraid does not make the Club a liar.:)
Liar or not I've been going down enough years to know a +35,000 crowd.
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Def didn't feel like 10000 empty seats.
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What a shit fest.
I never thought I would miss Nyland.
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There could have been 10000 there today.no difference that was Peterborough last year but worse.
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Only watched it on the internet, the Holte Lower looked sparse to be fair, which is usually the case when we get around 30k attendances.
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I think what has happened is that our squad have looked at Smith and seen Steve Bruce Mk2. Nothing has changed. Steady as she goes. Backwards.
He wasn't playing out for the season
He needs a chance and time. The biggest threat to us is the negativity of fans. Last few atmospheres shocking. No coincidence nyland at his worst in front of the holte end
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I am surprised with the criticism O'Hare is getting on here I thought he did okay. and his subbing was met with a chorus of angry boo's so I presumed in others eyes he did ok for a youngster.
Mcginn was the best player but O'Hare did keep trying stuff. Obviously he gave it away on occasions but he was up against Leroy Fer who shackled him most of the first half and was probably the best player on the pitch. However I did see little give and goes and nice flicks here and there.
suprised McGinn and Whelan both started considering they've played loads.
At least we can concentrate on the league now.
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Bored senseless.
👏👏👏👏
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James Bree is shit as well. I've nothing from him since he's been here to suggest otherwise.
Absolutely weak as piss.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
There were no more than 30K in the ground as about 50% of ST holder exercised their privilege to stay away. There were empty seats all over the ground in normal ST holder areas. So the attendance announced was true attendance at the ground today and not based on "counting in" ST holders regardless of there or not.
Wrong. A guesstimate amongst us conservatively put it at plus 35,000
Hmmm.. that I am afraid does not make the Club a liar.:)
Liar or not I've been going down enough years to know a +35,000 crowd.
Same here. I'm known by my mates as a bit of a stato on stuff like that (probably a pisstake) We always do our own guess the crowd during the ground and no-one went below 35k. My own guess was 37.500. No way was there only 30k in the ground today. Well at least this debate has took my mind off the abject performance on the pitch. And on a side note I've never heard less singing from our own fans. It was an abysmal effort by us which the Swansea fans rightly took the piss out of us. Poor poor effort on and off the pitch from the villa.
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It was embarrassing as usual. For me this was the most important match of the season and once again it was treated with total disrespect by the team (players and management). I hate modern day football. Just fuck off to all of them.
likewise ....I was embarrassed with that dreadful performance ......I realise Smith needs time and hopefully he gets it but that was awful - as bad as anything Bruce had us performing . I thought at least O`Harewas asking for the ball constAntly and wanted to show for it unlike Hogan who was statuesque all game . We need to forget all about promotion - Smith needs to build a new squad/ team which will take at least two years I feel
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Poor today! Completely frustrated by the form of my team in games like this.
Kalinic will need more game time before judging him. Bree did ok but can't cross a ball. The back 4 didn't line up as I expected them to when the team was announced. What is Terry doing in training with our defenders for them to consistently concede goals in games? Whelan and Hogan useless today and shouldn't start any more games for Villa. El Ghazi is an impact sub at best. O Hare shouldn't have been pulled when he was. Kodjia needs to revert to striker role if tammy goes. I didn't believe attendance figure either. Totally pissed off with yet another shambles of a performance.
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Agree Aftab. Agree VCTM. I got a text from my son Damon, 42 years a Holte Ender, before the game. It read "So we are not interested in the FA Cup again. OK." That was yet a other defining game. A chance for the shoots of new growth to become apparent but it was exactly the opposite. The scorched earth of more-of-the-same.
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Poor today! Completely frustrated by the form of my team in games like this.
Kalinic will need more game time before judging him. Bree did ok but can't cross a ball. The back 4 didn't line up as I expected them to when the team was announced. What is Terry doing in training with our defenders for them to consistently concede goals in games? Whelan and Hogan useless today and shouldn't start any more games for Villa. El Ghazi is an impact sub at best. O Hare shouldn't have been pulled when he was. Kodjia needs to revert to striker role if tammy goes. I didn't believe attendance figure either. Totally pissed off with yet another shambles of a performance.
A few people have commented on this aspect across the forum, not just today. Why an assumption that our crap defenders should stop being crap just because Terry is on the staff? He's not employed as a defensive coach, he's an assistant coach who's three months in to learning on his first proper job.
Hutton, Bree, Taylor, Elmo, the sooner they all fuck off, the better.
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I am surprised with the criticism O'Hare is getting on here I thought he did okay. and his subbing was met with a chorus of angry boo's so I presumed in others eyes he did ok for a youngster.
Mcginn was the best player but O'Hare did keep trying stuff. Obviously he gave it away on occasions but he was up against Leroy Fer who shackled him most of the first half and was probably the best player on the pitch. However I did see little give and goes and nice flicks here and there.
suprised McGinn and Whelan both started considering they've played loads.
At least we can concentrate on the league now.
Totally agree, O’Hare is obviously not yet the finished article but his speed of thought, first touch and movement are the best I’ve seen from one of our youngsters since Grealish. He will thrive in a better side. Dean acknowledged the boos from the Holte in his interview and said it was tough on him that he took him off but it was a tactical switch. He also said that he was conscious of the damage that can be done to a young players confidence if they get stick from a crowd that turns because of a bad team performance. He was obviously thinking of the minority on here who are having a go at O’ Hare.
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James Bree is shit as well. I've nothing from him since he's been here to suggest otherwise.
Absolutely weak as piss.
Our entire defence is back up players and back up to back up players. That’s the problem. You simply cannot compete like that.
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BBC came up with the 1 in 7 stat, and the comment, 'what has happened to Aston Villa' its easy really, the clubs an enigma, absolute disgrace, in my opinion we needed this to possibly have a crack at a Premiership side and to get something happening at the club.
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For all Lansbury’s good play when he came on which surprised me really, he showed what an idiot he can be with that reckless tackle he was very lucky to not get sent off for.
Hogan needs to go. He’ll never be a player for us.
Exactly. Very talented player, but a basket case. Always was, and shall be forevermore unless we appoint a sports psychologist.
I think we had one, but he was collateral damage in the night of the long knives. Oh well.
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He made me chuckle. He went to deck a Swansea player too.
I like him. The booking he got wasn't a problem, taking one for the team.
He deserves to start at Wigan. He moves the ball decades quicker than Whelan. We need that to feed the wide men.
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They were about to break away, I just wish somebody had taken one for the team like that when QPR broke for either of their gosls.
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Swansea made just one change from their last match. Potter had started to come under pressure and probably recognised the importance of keeping some momentum going.
We made several changes, and none were for the better as it turned out; hopeless.
Losing our best player shouldn't be the reason for such a woeful downturn in form, but along with the players, the management team have not stepped up in recent weeks and we can't keep laying all the blame at the previous incumbent.
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Lansbury could be a serial killer, he's still a better option than plodder Whelan.
Re: the crowd. Never in a million years there was only 30k there. Looked about 37k to me. Sounded like there were about 7k there, dreadful atmosphere. I know the football was crap but our home support is piss poor, we only sing against Blues or if we're winning 4-0.
Saw a lot on Twitter on about the atmosphere and how crap it is these days. It needs something drastic like making the lower Holte £250 season tickets and getting 8k in there who want to stand and sing every game. The Holte is a shadow of it's former self, dont think I heard a proper chant all game.
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They were about to break away, I just wish somebody had taken one for the team like that when QPR broke for either of their gosls.
Hear hear. I thought it showed a bit of 'game management' that we generally lack.
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It was a booking all day long. No idea why those fannies reacted like they did.
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We have it done to us all the time.
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The players today that pissed me off no end were Hogan, Bree and Adomah. Hogan simply ain’t good enough; Bree was timid and his distribution was shocking; Adomah has no brain - his decision-making is piss-poor.
Players getting a pass from me today were O’Hare, McGinn and - surprisingly - Lansbury.
Smith needs to prove his capability, and fast.
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Lansbury could be a serial killer, he's still a better option than plodder Whelan.
Re: the crowd. Never in a million years there was only 30k there. Looked about 37k to me. Sounded like there were about 7k there, dreadful atmosphere. I know the football was crap but our home support is piss poor, we only sing against Blues or if we're winning 4-0.
Saw a lot on Twitter on about the atmosphere and how crap it is these days. It needs something drastic like making the lower Holte £250 season tickets and getting 8k in there who want to stand and sing every game. The Holte is a shadow of it's former self, dont think I heard a proper chant all game.
Considering the size of the last two crowds at Villa Park (Not a chance it was just 30k today), the atmosphere has been absolutely dead.
You can hear the players shouting and calling to each other, it's that quiet.
...and the bloke in front of me smells.
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He made me chuckle. He went to deck a Swansea player too.
I like him. The booking he got wasn't a problem, taking one for the team.
He deserves to start at Wigan. He moves the ball decades quicker than Whelan. We need that to feed the wide men.
Agree. He’s got to be in the side instead of Whelan.
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Lansbury could be a serial killer, he's still a better option than plodder Whelan.
Re: the crowd. Never in a million years there was only 30k there. Looked about 37k to me. Sounded like there were about 7k there, dreadful atmosphere. I know the football was crap but our home support is piss poor, we only sing against Blues or if we're winning 4-0.
Saw a lot on Twitter on about the atmosphere and how crap it is these days. It needs something drastic like making the lower Holte £250 season tickets and getting 8k in there who want to stand and sing every game. The Holte is a shadow of it's former self, dont think I heard a proper chant all game.
Considering the size of the last two crowds at Villa Park (Not a chance it was just 30k today), the atmosphere has been absolutely dead.
You can hear the players shouting and calling to each other, it's that quiet.
...and the bloke in front of me smells.
It's been dead all season apart from Blues, and even that was very quiet in spells. We sold out Smith's first game and it was crap. Sold out against Leeds and it was crap.
We pull in the numbers but have one of the worst atmospheres in the league. The away support isn't what it used to be either. Took 5k to Preston and stood in silence for large periods of the game. Modern football. Stands are full of twats who are more interested in vlogging for YouTube and recording themselves watching the match.
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Every post. Every single post.
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Lansbury could be a serial killer, he's still a better option than plodder Whelan.
Re: the crowd. Never in a million years there was only 30k there. Looked about 37k to me. Sounded like there were about 7k there, dreadful atmosphere. I know the football was crap but our home support is piss poor, we only sing against Blues or if we're winning 4-0.
Saw a lot on Twitter on about the atmosphere and how crap it is these days. It needs something drastic like making the lower Holte £250 season tickets and getting 8k in there who want to stand and sing every game. The Holte is a shadow of it's former self, dont think I heard a proper chant all game.
Considering the size of the last two crowds at Villa Park (Not a chance it was just 30k today), the atmosphere has been absolutely dead.
You can hear the players shouting and calling to each other, it's that quiet.
...and the bloke in front of me smells.
It's been dead all season apart from Blues, and even that was very quiet in spells. We sold out Smith's first game and it was crap. Sold out against Leeds and it was crap.
We pull in the numbers but have one of the worst atmospheres in the league. The away support isn't what it used to be either. Took 5k to Preston and stood in silence for large periods of the game. Modern football. Stands are full of twats who are more interested in vlogging for YouTube and recording themselves watching the match.
Too true. I'm sick to the back teeth of all the amateur pundits giving a running commentary on the match rather than singing.
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Every post. Every single post.
I bet they don’t get this on Leeds forums.
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Every post. Every single post.
Yes. Relentless.
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For me the sad thing about today was seeing lots of youngsters at Villa Park, many possibly for the first time being disappointed by the experience both on and off the park - for many the highlight was probably the half time or pre match chips and fizzy drink ;)
The atmosphere was again very poor - could all have been so different if we had put away the opportunity in the first attack we had
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I'm 50 and the highlight for me was the pre-match chips and curry sauce and bottle of lager !
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I'm 50 and the highlight for me was the pre-match chips and curry sauce and bottle of lager !
Nice one :) I'm older than thee and my highlight was the Balti pie and chips at Alibaba Kebab House Church Road, Aston ( so not even inside the ground!)
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Just got back to Liverpool .Would just like to thank the spineless (McGinn the exception) bunch of players wearing the Villa shirts for a performance totally lacking in commitment ,passion and desire. Yet another defeat at home in a cup tie,i honestly do not know why i make the effort when the players can not be bothered to
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Pause for a minute and imagine today’s team without McGinn. We’d get thumped by any half decent team and probably be bothering the relegation places.
Maybe that’s why Smith played him when he needs a break. Feared an embarrassing drubbing at home (which he got anyway).
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Just got back to Liverpool .Would just like to thank the spineless (McGinn the exception) bunch of players wearing the Villa shirts for a performance totally lacking in commitment ,passion and desire. Yet another defeat at home in a cup tie,i honestly do not know why i make the effort when the players can not be bothered to
The saving grace for us living in the North West was that the M6 was relatively quiet today ( not many lorries)
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Every post. Every single post.
I bet they don’t get this on Leeds forums.
Aye, for goodness sake. There must be better things to do....
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Just got back to Liverpool .Would just like to thank the spineless (McGinn the exception) bunch of players wearing the Villa shirts for a performance totally lacking in commitment ,passion and desire. Yet another defeat at home in a cup tie,i honestly do not know why i make the effort when the players can not be bothered to
We're up to Liverpool tomorrow taking my son back to Uni. Love the place since I studied there almost 30 years ago
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Lyric revision....
We've got McGinn.....Only John McGinn
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... at the end of the day these are Bruce's players.
Some of them aren't even our players.
Exactly
Hopefully some of them may be Bruce’s again in a few weeks
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Just got back to Liverpool .Would just like to thank the spineless (McGinn the exception) bunch of players wearing the Villa shirts for a performance totally lacking in commitment ,passion and desire. Yet another defeat at home in a cup tie,i honestly do not know why i make the effort when the players can not be bothered to
We're up to Liverpool tomorrow taking my son back to Uni. Love the place since I studied there almost 30 years ago
Formbys`even better :)
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Just got back to Liverpool .Would just like to thank the spineless (McGinn the exception) bunch of players wearing the Villa shirts for a performance totally lacking in commitment ,passion and desire. Yet another defeat at home in a cup tie,i honestly do not know why i make the effort when the players can not be bothered to
We're up to Liverpool tomorrow taking my son back to Uni. Love the place since I studied there almost 30 years ago
Formbys`even better :)
Woolyback :)
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Pretty poor all round, on top of it if Abraham is leaving then it’s brown trousers time. A couple of new player would be nice.
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It was a torrid afternoon.
Only positives for me were Mcginn and Lansbury who made some telling passes and staked a claim. O’hare started brightly but faded quickly and was pretty anonymous in second half.
I’ve no real problem with selection. Who do people expect to play centre half when Chester is carrying an injury and in need of a rest? I would have preferred BB to Wheelan, but can understand the thinking that ( in theory) Wheelan offers more cover for the makeshift defence.
There was loads of empty seats in Trinity and North - low 30s sounded about right to me.
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Do not despair our Chelsea legend JT will advise Abraham that he should stay at Villa ,after all he has known him since he was eight .Wish i believed that.
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Whelan offers no fucking cover. He's utter, utter shite. I hope he was charged £10 to watch Swansea today.
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For me Lansbury has to play against Wigan ahead of Whelan.
We’re trying to win games and his passing is desperately needed.
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Smith seems to be obsessed with playing Whelan .Why only Smith could say,so i expect him to be playing at Wigan
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Whelan makes himself available for a pass, holds the midfield shape and does exactly what he’s told to do, that’s why he plays, and has done under most managers he’s played for.
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Holds the midfield? Jesus Christ.
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Whelan offers no fucking cover. He's utter, utter shite. I hope he was charged £10 to watch Swansea today.
Exactly. He's poor as piss at everything, and provides no cover or we wouldn't be conceding two to three goals a game. If he's not even doing the basic things he's expected to, his complete lack of anything else makes it like we're playing with 10 men. 9, if you then add Hogan in.
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What a load of shit. Roll on the summer when half this squad fucks off back to their own club or contracts finish. Smith, who is not above criticism, has a shitload of work to do. Today was embarrassing, passionless, typical Villa can't be bothered crap. 8 years of shit and it still looks as bad as ever.
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And good to see the magic of the cup alive and well at Villa Park....a crowd of 37,000+ announced as 30,000.
I thought the same, at least as many as at the QPR game especially with Swansea bring more supporters.
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Holds the midfield? Jesus Christ.
He does. He holds it back and slows it down.
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Whelan makes himself available for a pass, holds the midfield shape and does exactly what he’s told to do, that’s why he plays, and has done under most managers he’s played for.
Yes he does all of that but just about 2 minutes later than he should do.
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I didn’t say he did it quick enough or to a high enough standard, just that those were the reasons DS, and others picked him, continually. He hasn’t got the legs to do what is asked of him in this system.
I did however, feel he was one of our better players against both Leeds and Preston.
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I’m a bit disappointed with the Whelan hate in on here, I am obviously in the minority but I thought he did his job well. I would go as far as to say that apart from McGinn, he was the only fucker who showed any professionalism today.
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43 years old, today for me is lowest point of being a Villain. Maybe it's the whiskey talking, but mid table Championship and losing 0-3 at home in the cup...
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43 years old, today for me is lowest point of being a Villain. Maybe it's the whiskey talking, but mid table Championship and losing 0-3 at home in the cup...
Yes. There's whiskey in the jar but that was abysmal beyond description. Cluster fucking shambles. New exodus record established.
Ghastly.
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If it was Whelan's job to constantly stand off the Swansea midfield, plod aimlessly behind them, close them only after they'd passed the ball and take a full rotation of the earth to pass it, then yes, he was excellent.
If it was to be a defensive midfielder and to move the game on so we could transition wide quickly, then no, he was beyond fucking useless.
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If it was Whelan's job to constantly stand off the Swansea midfield, plod aimlessly behind them, close them only after they'd passed the ball and take a full rotation of the earth to pass it, then yes, he was excellent.
If it was to be a defensive midfielder and to move the game on so we could transition wide quickly, then no, he was beyond fucking useless.
I've seen more life in a bottle of pop, but what can you you expect if you constantly play an ageing player manifestly shagged out after a long squawk.
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Whelan is shit and slow, tends to be a bit of a draw back in the championship or any other league for that matter.
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I think he's been one of our better players in some of our recent games. But thats in the context of games where we've not played well and where his inclusion has meant we're unable to play the style that we had been implementing succcesfully
But it is a tricky one for Smith given the state of our defence. Hourihane doesn't offer much protection and bjarnason looks off it at the moment
I've said elsewhere I'd bring lansbury in for whelan next game. But there is an obvious risk that the midfield is even more sieve like as a result
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With regard to the comments on the size of the crowd I would assume that because this is the FA Cup and the attendance revenue is split between Villa, Swansea and the FA that Villa would have to pay a sum of money for each Season Ticket holder that attended the game. It was free for our ST holders but the club would certainly have to a pay a fee to Swansea and the FA. It looks like a lot of ST holders did not come. In the Lower Holte around me there were a lot of mutterings about the accuracy of the announced attendance but there were probably empty seats that we could not easily see. Unlike League games when ST holders who do not come are still included in the figures this would not be the case yesterday.
A truly awful game and we have to fear for the future if we were ever to rely on that line up to get us promotion.
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Lansburys passing was a breath of fresh air, but a couple of his non-challenges highlights why I'd be concerned if we were relying on him as a DM. With that said, he certainly deserves a shot after his cameo yesterday.
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He's not a defensive player. He needs to be more advanced with McGinn.
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the game dispelled any notion of having the best squad in the league. Dean has a truly herculean task ahead.
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Sat there watching that non performance yesterday I couldn't help but think about the millions we have squandered in the last 3 years. It's not like we can wipe the slate clean and start again as the mismanagement has left us with handicap of FFP. Smith will need to do an amazing job with we want to get back to the prem any time soon.
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Dreadful result, customary cup capitulation, but hoping this will be a kick up the arse and the start of a good run. I’m confident it will be.
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I’m a bit disappointed with the Whelan hate in on here, I am obviously in the minority but I thought he did his job well. I would go as far as to say that apart from McGinn, he was the only fucker who showed any professionalism today.
Andy I totally agree. It's not his fault that we insist on this ridiculous notion of constantly protecting the back four (and goalkeeper) when we're at home and supposed to be on the front foot, to use a post-modern football term.
We were fucking shite yesterday, shite Tuesday, shite last Saturday and shite for some time now. It's got to be down to either: formation, players, coaching or fitness. It's the sort of miserable run that Deano suffered at both Walsall and Brentford but the good news is he always then goes on a great run.
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I'm staggered anybody could have seen yesterday and think Whelan did a job. Utterly mind boggling.
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It seems obvious to me that the teams which are succeeding at the top level have more stamina and faster transitions, whether they're on the front foot or counter-attacking. Glenn Whelan will only ever be, if we're being generous, a man that breaks up play or offloads to somebody faster. He's not even a water carrier, he's a shirt filler.
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Before the game Deano was saying that we've only lost one game in the last minute of injury time during our recent wobbly spell. Hopefully he has noticed the big drop-off in performance levels though.
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It seems obvious to me that the teams which are succeeding at the top level have more stamina and faster transitions, whether they're on the front foot or counter-attacking. Glenn Whelan will only ever be, if we're being generous, a man that breaks up play or offloads to somebody faster. He's not even a water carrier, he's a shirt filler.
I agree, but he does the job he's paid to do, unlike the other 10 yesterday.
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I'm staggered anybody could have seen yesterday and think Whelan did a job. Utterly mind boggling.
I’ll save my rage for players who really have let us down, like Hogan.
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I'm utterly perplexed that you could consider he did any sort of job.
He was the reason Swansea could transition so quickly because he can't break up play, merely plod after runners.
He was an absolute passenger and a disgraceful performance. He's so far past it and shouldn't kick a ball for us again.
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Any Villa side starting with Whelan will struggle/has struggled. I'm more perplexed with Smith going with him as some kind of midfield general. Anyways I was more raging at Adomah. Weak,spineless,slow fluff of a display.
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Whelan was the stand our character as to why we lost yesterday, too slow too predictable. Football is not a difficult game to get a grip on.
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Not sure why Whelan is getting such a bashing.
The whole of the midfield was woeful and Smith is also culpable.
Swansea loaded the centre of midfield - playing 4-2-3-1. At times it was 5 vs 1 (Whelan) and we were very slow to react.
Our full backs and central midfielders simply aren't good enough to play the system Smith wants - he needs to try something else and quick as essentially this was a near first choice XI he started with.
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That was as bad as anything ever served up under Bruce. Dean has to be given time and the main work will be done in the summer. I’m just fed up of having to start again every single year. It’s the Aston Villa disease. I hope he’s given the time.
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Our full backs and central midfielders simply aren't good enough to play the system Smith wants - he needs to try something else and quick as essentially this was a near first choice XI he started with.
Of our regular first eleven after Smith came in - Chester, Tuanzebe, Hourihane, Grealish and Abraham weren't playing yesterday. Neither was Bolasie who is a regular of late.
Not that it is any excuse for yesterday's performance as with the amount of money we have spent we should have decent back-up, but it was nowhere near our first choice XI.
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Not sure why Whelan is getting such a bashing.
The whole of the midfield was woeful and Smith is also culpable.
Swansea loaded the centre of midfield - playing 4-2-3-1. At times it was 5 vs 1 (Whelan) and we were very slow to react.
Our full backs and central midfielders simply aren't good enough to play the system Smith wants - he needs to try something else and quick as essentially this was a near first choice XI he started with.
Exactly. Like you say at times we had one against 5 or 6 in there, and that one was Glenn Whelan. Very unfair to put the boot in on him.
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@Sheffield
It was near enough our first choice xi of those available now and in the near future.
That's why he needs to rethink.
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I’m watching the Middlesbrough away game again. It’s the last time we played well for 90 minutes. It’s a sort of medicine.
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Did i imagine it or did the scoreboard say there were only 30,000 there yesterday?
No way did i see 12,000 empty seats
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I know its not fashionable but we looked much more solid playing 4-4-2 when Kodja and Davies were on.
My biggest issue (as an ex centre half) is the complete lack of protection/help the defense get. If teams are supposed to defend from the front then adomah and especially El Ghazi need to learn how.
The amount of times players walked past them was a disgrace - no effort, no attempt at any sort of tackle,challenge or even just standing in the way. Bree and Taylor might not be brilliant but the amount of times theyre pointing to the spare man and the winger(?) just stood there made my blood boil. Leaving us constantly 2 on 1 causing the CH to have to cover and leave more holes is why were conceding.
And yes I agree Hogan and these 2 were totally fucking useless - Swansea couldve left one at the back if they wanted to and still not be in trouble.
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So far under Dean smith we have been in every league game and of the 3 defeats we were leading in two of them. Yesterday we were second best from start to finish but that was not the first 11 by any stretch, hopefully the process of this windows recruitment will accelerate.
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I know its not fashionable but we looked much more solid playing 4-4-2 when Kodja and Davies were on.
My biggest issue (as an ex centre half) is the complete lack of protection/help the defense get. If teams are supposed to defend from the front then adomah and especially El Ghazi need to learn how.
The amount of times players walked past them was a disgrace - no effort, no attempt at any sort of tackle,challenge or even just standing in the way. Bree and Taylor might not be brilliant but the amount of times theyre pointing to the spare man and the winger(?) just stood there made my blood boil. Leaving us constantly 2 on 1 causing the CH to have to cover and leave more holes is why were conceding.
And yes I agree Hogan and these 2 were totally fucking useless - Swansea couldve left one at the back if they wanted to and still not be in trouble.
I agree with you. Yet Albert was fine in this regard last season, and always did his defensive work quite well.
Maybe the two loan wingers have blunted his enthusiasm, as the introduction of Darren Bent did for Gabriel. On the other hand nobody apart from John McGinn seemed to put the effort in, so maybe they took a look at the team sheet and thought it was a practice match.
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I know its not fashionable but we looked much more solid playing 4-4-2 when Kodja and Davies were on.
My biggest issue (as an ex centre half) is the complete lack of protection/help the defense get. If teams are supposed to defend from the front then adomah and especially El Ghazi need to learn how.
The amount of times players walked past them was a disgrace - no effort, no attempt at any sort of tackle,challenge or even just standing in the way. Bree and Taylor might not be brilliant but the amount of times theyre pointing to the spare man and the winger(?) just stood there made my blood boil. Leaving us constantly 2 on 1 causing the CH to have to cover and leave more holes is why were conceding.
And yes I agree Hogan and these 2 were totally fucking useless - Swansea couldve left one at the back if they wanted to and still not be in trouble.
I agree with you. Yet Albert was fine in this regard last season, and always did his defensive work quite well.
Maybe the two loan wingers have blunted his enthusiasm, as the introduction of Darren Bent did for Gabriel. On the other hand nobody apart from John McGinn seemed to put the effort in, so maybe they took a look at the team sheet and thought it was a practice match.
;D
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Adomah and El Ghazi were lazy bastards yesterday, barely broke sweat
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Adomah and El Ghazi were lazy bastards yesterday, barely broke sweat
And both displayed the kind of touch usually associated with Lenny from Of Mice and Men.
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Did i imagine it or did the scoreboard say there were only 30,000 there yesterday?
No way did i see 12,000 empty seats
Where have you been? We've been having that that debate since yesterday! And yes I'm with you. I just cannot see where that figure came from. I've been going to villa park for 4 decades and I know it as well as I know my own house!
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Any links to DS post game interviews please?
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Not sure why Whelan is getting such a bashing.
The whole of the midfield was woeful and Smith is also culpable.
Swansea loaded the centre of midfield - playing 4-2-3-1. At times it was 5 vs 1 (Whelan) and we were very slow to react.
Our full backs and central midfielders simply aren't good enough to play the system Smith wants - he needs to try something else and quick as essentially this was a near first choice XI he started with.
Agreed 100%. Smith's job is to get the best out of his resources but he has them playing to a structure most of them are patently unsuited to.
We have been getting overloaded in the wide positions all season, that wasn't a problem last season. Our midfield provide little or no resistance without the ball, a problem all season but not last. These are issues Smith should be rectifying but isn't.
I know he is raw but if Abraham is off I'd give Davis the chance to replace him. He made a decent impact at times last year as a focal point for our midfielders to play off. The trio of mercenaries Kodjia, El Ghazi and Bolasie can start earning their places in the team.
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Any links to DS post game interviews please?
https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1081609240647733249
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Not sure why Whelan is getting such a bashing.
The whole of the midfield was woeful and Smith is also culpable.
Swansea loaded the centre of midfield - playing 4-2-3-1. At times it was 5 vs 1 (Whelan) and we were very slow to react.
Our full backs and central midfielders simply aren't good enough to play the system Smith wants - he needs to try something else and quick as essentially this was a near first choice XI he started with.
Exactly. Like you say at times we had one against 5 or 6 in there, and that one was Glenn Whelan. Very unfair to put the boot in on him.
Yes we haven't the players for Smith preferred system so either bring in players this window or adapt system to suit players.
A covering defensive midfielder , deep lying midfielder with energy would cover the full backs and leave the wide forward attacking players ideally to do their jobs
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The game was rubbish highlight for me having a chat with Dave Woodhall at half time.
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The fact Swansea made only 2 changes and targeted our left side made the difference. We saw the "strength" of squad that Bruce left us with. O'hare needs a mobile ball winner to get the ball for him and protect him which Whelan isn't. Kodja and Lansbury were the only players who looked up for it when they came on. Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
Was it any worse than the Peterborough defeat last season considering the opposition?
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
There is a big shift in culture required at the club which will take time that i hope the club and fans give the management and board.
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
I just think it's entirely the wrong way to be going about things as far as the young players are concerned. Somebody like O'Hare should be getting 20-30 minutes at the end of league games. Just thrusting them into some dog's arse of a team in a one off cup game and saying "there you go, you've got once chance to impress me" achieves absolutely nothing as far as I can see. Think back to when we had the likes of Albrighton making cameo appearances for Young and Downing in the Pubehead days. A much better way of going about things in my opinion. Because let's face it, how many games has Hogan influenced when coming on as a sub? How many goals has he scored when coming off the bench? He normally has about 4-5 touches tops, amd does absolutely nothing.
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I'm guessing the idea was that O'Hare could be threading balls through for Hogan to run on to which is how he scored many of his Brentford goals. The problem with that for Villa is that it works if we get the first goal and the opposition have to push up for a goal leaving opportunities for a break. When they get the first goal like in Saturday the plan goes out of the window and Hogan becomes even more ineffective.
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Hogan just isn't the answer to any problem we have, he scored a few goals for Rochdale in the micky mouse leagues and what? 20 odd for Brentford? Realistically his value should have been around £4/5m nowhere near the pants pulled down amount Potato the useless fucker paid for him when he went on his Championship manager spending spree when he took over.
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
There is a big shift in culture required at the club which will take time that i hope the club and fans give the management and board.
I completely concur.
That said, I can't help but wonder how long the owners are (cough) prepared to back the manager for...
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Probably more than three months
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
There is a big shift in culture required at the club which will take time that i hope the club and fans give the management and board.
I completely concur.
That said, I can't help but wonder how long the owners are (cough) prepared to back the manager for...
If he makes the play offs or just finishes outside after a decent end of season run he will be fine. If not and with billionaires not known for their patience he could be out a la RDM. Not what I want but football is so short term these days
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They’ll give him another season no doubt.
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They’ll give him another season no doubt.
Of course they will. It will take time. We shouldn't even be discussing this. We have got to get it right and patience and persistence will be required.The next person who boos the team near to me will get a round of fuchs.
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The game was rubbish highlight for me having a chat with Dave Woodhall at half time.
They say there's always someone worse off than yourself.
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The game was rubbish highlight for me having a chat with Dave Woodhall at half time.
They say there's always someone worse off than yourself.
Too true Lee but I love chatting with my good friend Dave for me it's a pleasure to talk football with friends.
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The game was rubbish highlight for me having a chat with Dave Woodhall at half time.
They say there's always someone worse off than yourself.
Too true Lee but I love chatting with my good friend Dave for me it's a pleasure to talk football with friends.
No worries Daz, the one time I tried to chat to him ended with me buying 2 more copies of a fazine I already owned.
I reckon pro-rata it was more expensive than phonig Clubcall.
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Deano can say he gave some players a chance to impress and they failed.
This was a feature of the Bruce period as well, on the occassions that young or fringe players had a chance they rarely took it and gave him selection problems.
I just think it's entirely the wrong way to be going about things as far as the young players are concerned. Somebody like O'Hare should be getting 20-30 minutes at the end of league games. Just thrusting them into some dog's arse of a team in a one off cup game and saying "there you go, you've got once chance to impress me" achieves absolutely nothing as far as I can see. Think back to when we had the likes of Albrighton making cameo appearances for Young and Downing in the Pubehead days. A much better way of going about things in my opinion. Because let's face it, how many games has Hogan influenced when coming on as a sub? How many goals has he scored when coming off the bench? He normally has about 4-5 touches tops, amd does absolutely nothing.
Absolute bloody lutely . Needs more playing experience than in a judgement on a make shift team .
Players need run of matches.
Hopefully bree can have a run at right back for example .
The soft cheese namesake like many others haven't had much opportunity .
Once injured they seem to be repeatedly injured and never up to speed because they don't get match time minutes at intense level.
Under 23 isn't the same.
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The game was rubbish highlight for me having a chat with Dave Woodhall at half time.
They say there's always someone worse off than yourself.
Too true Lee but I love chatting with my good friend Dave for me it's a pleasure to talk football with friends.
No worries Daz, the one time I tried to chat to him ended with me buying 2 more copies of a fazine I already owned.
I reckon pro-rata it was more expensive than phonig Clubcall.
And they say I'm losing my touch...
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A lad I know on the Lower Holte reckoned that someone behind him said that Smith should be sacked and that Phil Brown should be brought in as a replacement.
Phil Brown!!
Fuck me!!!
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A lad I know on the Lower Holte reckoned that someone behind him said that Smith should be sacked and that Phil Brown should be brought in as a replacement.
Phil Brown!!
Fuck me!!!
There is some heavy shit being smoked these days