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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2019, 02:00:49 PM
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Happy New Year everyone. First game of 2019. Wishing you all a wonderful and prosperous year.
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Team shuffled. Good luck Tommy and Jed straight back in. Glad Elmo is out.
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I like the cut of their collective jibs!
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Happy New Year. I agree with Smithy's line up! Very sensible, strong enough bench too. Good to see the naysayers about Tammy are wrong!
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Like that team much more. Win please.
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Happy with that lineup. Roll on a win.
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Wow, well he's taking some risks with this team.
Surprised that both Kodj and AA are back in for the start, but maybe that was the point of not changing the side on Saturday.
I'm delighted Bree holds his place but Hutton - for whom there's no alternative - has been dire recently and worries me greatly. With a 'new' keeper behind them, we are very unlikely to clean-sheet it today.
Hourihane needs to get his finger out and start making a sizeable contribution to our game.
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Different.
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I feel more confident with both Steer and Elphick
words you never thought you would ever say
also Whelans out so not to bad
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I feel more confident with both Steer and Elphick
words you never thought you would ever say
also Whelans out so not to bad
And in addition your comments about Steer and Elphick just I magine if Neil Taylor was fit and playing instead of Hutton. Another upgrade. It really does show how weak we are overall in defence that they are all back ups and our best defender has been suspect all season and even more so since his injury.
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exact team I would have picked
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Happy New Year. I agree with Smithy's line up! Very sensible, strong enough bench too. Good to see the naysayers about Tammy are wrong!
so because he plays today, today being January does that mean he can’t go now ?
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Elphick starts.
Congratulations on the victory, QPR.
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you would have thought we would have had to pay a fee if he was playing today.
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Hope this is an eze start to the year. Still annoyed we didn't beat them at Loftus, the only game I've been able to make this season.
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Even money for the win at home...fill your boots!
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For those not attending its live on sky sports via the red button
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What happened to a guy called Redsox?
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As much as this is the right side today it does reveal that as a squad we need to get much younger. Too many players approaching 30 or above.
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better fireworks than London
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Decent move to win a corner.
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Watching in 8 bit quality, but that looked like a good defensive header from Tommy there
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was that pen
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was that pen
Looked it to me,
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Watching in 8 bit quality, but that looked like a good defensive header from Tommy there
nothing wrong with 8 bit
have a great 8 bit synth
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should have done better there
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I thought Adomah may have been given the benefit of the doubt, as they twice tried to hack him down in the build up.
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Another decent move for an Abraham chance,
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I thought Adomah may have been given the benefit of the doubt, as they twice tried to hack him down in the build up.
And if it wasn't a foul then surely it was a dive, and he should have been booked?
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BB and Adomah looking good
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Sounds very quiet
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Improvement on the last few games already
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Kodija back to his greedy worst then.
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Poor start. They’re pressing well.
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bar
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McGinn hits the bar with a screamer
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gggiiiaallllliiaallllllllllll
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McGinn foot like a traction engine
tammmmmmmmmmmy
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no 15 Tammy
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Tammyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How fucking important is Tammy Abraham? Brilliant player
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Brilliant cross from McGinn
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Lovely cross to Abraham. Was that Adomah?
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who was the assist?
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Brilliant cross from McGinn
great cross
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Great ball in from SJM.
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Great goal following sustained pressure.
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we push so much quicker without Whelan
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McGuinn wasn’t it?
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Boom - lethal combo
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Very good few minutes, QPR all over the shop.
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where the fuck was hutton then
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Carved us open there
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norwich losing
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So whom do we dislike most now?
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Got away with one there. Carved open down the left.
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boro losing
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leeds losing
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So whom do we dislike most now?
The other 91 ;)
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sheff wed playing well as if they dont want Bruce to come
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We're coming for you, we're coming for yoooouuuuu. Leeds, Norwich, West Brom, Sheff Utd, Middlesbrough, Derby, Birmingham and QPR...we're coming for you. ( rolls off the tongue )
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Amazing how much better we look with Conor back as the deepest midfielder and Albert leading the press. Hutton at LB is a liability though, the sooner we can get an LB through the door the better
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need 3 0 to relax
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he did 18 fouls then
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Adomah works so much harder defensively than our other wide players
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sitter missed by QPR
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houriane passisng has been crap
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Carved us open again there! Conor not doing his job
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Should have been an equaliser there. Ripped open down our left again.
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he did 18 fouls then
Yellow for persistent fouling
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We so miss Jack
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They should have scored then. It’s better defensively but we are still prone to lapses in concentration. Way too much space allowed.
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Every. Time. Down. The. Left. Hand. Side.
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We don’t look very convincing right now do we?
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be better with Taylor back
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where the fuck was hutton then
Will be his epitaph
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Every. Time. Down. The. Left. Hand. Side.
..................have some more.
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We look like we want to concede.
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some of you have a proper downer on Hutton,
he's driving forward and playing ok imo
I'd have him in over Taylor any day of the week
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their goalie doing a nyland
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Nyland playing for QPR?
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some of you have a proper downer on Hutton,
he's driving forward and playing ok imo
I'd have him in over Taylor any day of the week
I'd have me over Hutton all day long
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shittttttttt
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FUCK OFF
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their best player scores
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Bollocks. Screamer for them.
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We look like we want to concede.
Indeed
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some of you have a proper downer on Hutton,
he's driving forward and playing ok imo
I'd have him in over Taylor any day of the week
I'd have me over Hutton all day long
yeah but you are Alex Cropley so that's fair enough
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Great goal for them mind you
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Good strike
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We are shit.
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Hourihan just watching him run there
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half hearted challenge from Hourihane on the scorer, brilliant finish but no need to give him the chance to hit it.
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What narked the players there?!?
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what a fucking waste
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Hourihan just watching him run there
About as useful as a chocolate tea pot defensively.
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Kodjia should have squared that for Abraham.
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As per fucking usual, the ‘easier run of games’ proving to be nothing of the sort.
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Hourihan just watching him run there
Unfortunately, that is what he does. He is not dynamic or tenacious enough for the demands of the Championship - even if his career to date would suggest otherwise.
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Shit, that was a leg snapper by Phillips for Leeds
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The lack of replays on the red button is fucking annoying.
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Absolutely pathetic attempt at a challenge from Hourihane.
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Kodjia should have squared that for Abraham.
exactly greedy git
looked like 5 players were waiting for a tap in
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if only tried that for the goal
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Kodjia should have squared that for Abraham.
exactly greedy git
looked like 5 players were waiting for a tap in
He really is a greedy bastard.
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The lack of replays on the red button is fucking annoying.
I know. I've missed both goals so far!
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We haven’t looked convincing at all. For a while now. Chopping and changing the team due to injuries has really derailed the brilliant tempo we had going.
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My red button feed died at one nil. Came back up and they have bloody equalised.
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We haven’t looked convincing at all. For a while now. Chopping and changing the team due to injuries has really derailed the brilliant tempo we had going.
It's a bit frightening also realising how much we rely on Grealish.
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Utter rubbish from McGinn then.
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HT
frustrating again
some decent play at times but they looked like scoring anytime too
before the goal we looked brilliant for a few mins
think Id drop BB to CM and swap
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SJM cross aside has been v poor today. This match reminds me of the qpr game last season. Feels like a friendly. No atmosphere, everything being played at half pace by both sides.
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Disappointed we have not worked out that Hourihane is fucking useless in the defensive midfield role, he can not defend.
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we are also doing that old thing of sitting back when we've scored and always looking to concede straight after
I though Smith was the man to keep attacking
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The lack of replays on the red button is fucking annoying.
I know. I've missed both goals so far!
I've missed 8 goals this season home and away. At the matches.
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My red button feed died at one nil. Came back up and they have bloody equalised.
was a cracker too
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Apart from the five minute spell culminating in our goal, that was rubbish.
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Hourihane doesn’t do anywhere near enough.
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We haven’t looked convincing at all. For a while now. Chopping and changing the team due to injuries has really derailed the brilliant tempo we had going.
It's a bit frightening also realising how much we rely on Grealish.
He’s a unique player and it’s imperative that we either find other players similar to him or change most of the midfield to play a defined pressure and possession game. The latter is probably easier because Smith had that at Brentford on significantly less resources than he will have with us.
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Lack of fight, lack of energy, piss poor passing and decision making. Kodjia is a greedy shit, Adomah is miles off the pace and way too deep.
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I really don't think we played as badly as some are suggesting. Hutton has been terrible, Hourihane is clearly not a DM replace those 2 and I think we'll look much better in defence. Going forward the one where Kodjia cut back and shot instead of squaring was a massive chance and The Mcginn effort off the bar was superb. Given the number of injuries and changes I'd take that against a team that's playing well and in with a chance of the playoffs themselves.
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Crap.
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Hourihane needs to be replaced long term he does that have the pace and energy to get around the pitch it’s costung us a lot
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Pretty drab stuff. Another Bruce esque performance.
Recently, I haven't noticed a huge difference between how we played with Bruce in charge, and how we play with Smith at the helm. Same old bang average performances by too many bang average players.
We miss Grealish so much it's painful.
Come on Villa!
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I get why Hourihane gets criticized to a point, but what were we really expecting when we bought him? On paper he gets a load of goals and assists. He just isn’t the energy bunny that McGinn is for example. Could he do more? Maybe but then would it take away from the other things that he does very well. It’s hard to find midfielders that will produce what he does.
The key with a lot of players at the club is we are asking them to do more than than their defined strengths. It’s the age old comment about how unbalanced this squad is.
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very disappointed if we do not get 3 pts here
the other teams are fecking up but we are too with the easier teams
could easily be 3 2 up .. Kodja does my swede in
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I think Adomah did quite well. The midfield three look poor today and Kodjia is a greedy sod.
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Hourihane needs to be replaced long term he does that have the pace and energy to get around the pitch it’s costung us a lot
Agree, you accept that Hourihane is a passenger with a left foot and believe his impact is significant enough to be accommodated or you don’t.
I don’t and for all the stick Whelan gets he does the DM job more effectively.
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This is the sort of match that, if we fail to win it, we can really forget about the play offs this season.
QPR were absolutely gash, yet we looked like we were egging them on to score
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I get why Hourihane gets criticized to a point, but what were we really expecting when we bought him? On paper he gets a load of goals and assists. He just isn’t the energy bunny that McGinn is for example. Could he do more? Maybe but then would it take away from the other things that he does very well. It’s hard to find midfielders that will produce what he does.
The key with a lot of players at the club is we are asking them to do more than than their defined strengths. It’s the age old comment about how unbalanced this squad is.
He was never going to cut the mustard. Bang average.
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So frustrating.
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who the fook is Kortney Hause supposed to be signing this week ?
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Why has Hourihane been handed the holding role when Barneys more disciplined and effective in winning the ball,whilst still able to move the ball...I struggle to understand the logic...especially when its costing us at obvious times
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Why has Hourihane been handed the holding role when Barneys more disciplined and effective in winning the ball,whilst still able to move the ball...I struggle to understand the logic...especially when its costing us at obvious times
I reckon he'll switch that at half time
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Why has Hourihane been handed the holding role when Barneys more disciplined and effective in winning the ball,whilst still able to move the ball...I struggle to understand the logic...especially when its costing us at obvious times
was happ with the team but yes I was expecting BB at CM
ad Kodja better make up fr being greedy
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Hourihane is a luxury player. Whelan would be better for us here.
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I get why Hourihane gets criticized to a point, but what were we really expecting when we bought him? On paper he gets a load of goals and assists. He just isn’t the energy bunny that McGinn is for example. Could he do more? Maybe but then would it take away from the other things that he does very well. It’s hard to find midfielders that will produce what he does.
The key with a lot of players at the club is we are asking them to do more than than their defined strengths. It’s the age old comment about how unbalanced this squad is.
He was never going to cut the mustard. Bang average.
Statistically he’s not bang average in this division.
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I get why Hourihane gets criticized to a point, but what were we really expecting when we bought him? On paper he gets a load of goals and assists. He just isn’t the energy bunny that McGinn is for example. Could he do more? Maybe but then would it take away from the other things that he does very well. It’s hard to find midfielders that will produce what he does.
The key with a lot of players at the club is we are asking them to do more than than their defined strengths. It’s the age old comment about how unbalanced this squad is.
I take your point, TV, and if we get the defence sorted and a decent DMF in we may see the best of Hourihane (although in doing so, we may have to change the way we play to accommodate him, Grealish and McGinn).
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QPR keeper having to go off injured
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What exactly is the point of Bjarnason?
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How can he suddenly give a yellow card when he clearly didn’t see what happened there
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My red button feed died at one nil. Came back up and they have bloody equalised.
Mine too.
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How can he suddenly give a yellow card when he clearly didn’t see what happened there
Kodjia definitely left his foot in there.
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How can he suddenly give a yellow card when he clearly didn’t see what happened there
was thinking the same
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That looked cynical by Kodija
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get him off ffs
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I get why Hourihane gets criticized to a point, but what were we really expecting when we bought him? On paper he gets a load of goals and assists. He just isn’t the energy bunny that McGinn is for example. Could he do more? Maybe but then would it take away from the other things that he does very well. It’s hard to find midfielders that will produce what he does.
The key with a lot of players at the club is we are asking them to do more than than their defined strengths. It’s the age old comment about how unbalanced this squad is.
He was never going to cut the mustard. Bang average.
Statistically he’s not bang average in this division.
Ah, the all important stats. He's bang average by the more important scale:my viewpoint.
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get him off ffs
They clearly don’t want to change keeper and you can’t just play on as if it was an outfield player. The replacement keeper for them hasn’t played all year.
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bit like ours then
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how mins was that ?
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He's either OK or he's not, FFS.
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ffs 1 2
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down our left again
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We are utter, utter shit
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It's been coming. We're very poor.
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Shit
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Good goal again but we looked like we were treading water there
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FFS - counter attack
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Double bollocks. Over committed going forwards and ripped apart at the back.
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QPR are a better team than us on this evidence.
Crap.
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see kodja you look up and pass to another player
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The left side of our defence has to be the worst in the division.
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Hutton MIA again
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Awful left side defending. Acres of space.
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Shite.
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Utter, utter, utter shit.
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
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Rubbish Villa. Absolutely fucking rubbish.
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Have a look at Hourihane again, he is jogging as they attack.
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The difference now is that we don’t look anything close to as potent as we did a month ago so getting back into games and scoring isn’t coming as easy to us as it was. We look quite fucked really.
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Shapeless, diorganised shite! Sort it out Smiffy.
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BB half chance
more time being wasted
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God we miss Taylor, never though I'd be typing that.
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The QPR players are working so much harder than us in tracking back.
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We won’t get into the play offs, we’re just not good enough.
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Look like all been on the piss - passing horrible
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The difference now is that we don’t look anything close to as potent as we did a month ago so getting back into games and scoring isn’t coming as easy to us as it was. We look quite fucked really.
Let's not put the white flag up quite yet.
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God we miss Taylor, never though I'd be typing that.
It’s not Taylor as much missing a genuine LB. Bernie fucking Gallacher would be an upgrade right now over Hutton.
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We have to have a left back in the club?
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
every fucking time
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I just thought the same. We don’t look like scoring our way back into games like we did not long ago. Swagger has completely gone out of the team.
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Rangers are not that good. Too many games like this this season. Just really poor.
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The QPR players are working so much harder than us in tracking back.
As per Preston on Saturday; as per Leeds ....
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Think I’ll go and do something less boring, this is completely rubbish.
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The QPR players are working so much harder than us in tracking back.
Yeah, the work rate between the sides is very evident.
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
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Season over then. Playoffs? No chance
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Again the other results are decent today and we likely won’t take advantage
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
Think the same. And doing as told
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didnt notice the subs come on
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villa really close there
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Problem with this starting line up is that we have two plodding, highly predictable grafters in BB and AA. No creativity in that pair. Bolasie and el Ghazi are at the other extreme. McGinn and Grealish are our only players who really combine skill and work rate.
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Fuck me how did we not score then?
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Again the other results are decent today and we likely won’t take advantage
Let's hope we turn a corner then
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Again the other results are decent today and we likely won’t take advantage
Let's hope we turn a corner then
Erm...well yes
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Thought we'd equalised then.
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Schoolboy errors creeping in now
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Season over then. Playoffs? No chance
Not over but we aren't half making life difficult for ourselves.
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
once or twice in a game that's fair, expecting cover every time he goes forward is the biggest problem with hutton.
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Never clinical when we get a sniff of a chance. Fucking rubbish again over Christmas and new year bollocks to them.
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This lot go down easier than Monica Lewinsky.
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Getting played off the park.
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
once or twice in a game that's fair, expecting cover every time he goes forward is the biggest problem with hutton.
In a way this whole Scottish Cafu stuff goes to his head. It’s obviously brilliant the very few times it comes off but most of the time it’s a complete liability when goes forward.
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Looks like we are going to get some serious timewasting from now on
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We are fucking rubbish.
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ffs ref
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This lot go down easier than Monica Lewinsky.
In 2019 that is a pretty much a 25 year reference. You’re old
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Fuck me this is gash
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Don't lose twice to Steve fucking McClaren
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We have fallen apart.
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This lot go down easier than Monica Lewinsky.
In 2019 that is a pretty much a 25 year reference. You’re old
I'll add Ann Margaret and Nancy Reagan.
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They are wasting so much time
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what the fuck was that conor
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
once or twice in a game that's fair, expecting cover every time he goes forward is the biggest problem with hutton.
Have a word with Dean Smith.
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This lot go down easier than Monica Lewinsky.
In 2019 that is a pretty much a 25 year reference. You’re old
And looking it :(
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Dear oh dear
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this is horrible man. Just so very poor
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Back to being frustrating, slow, sloppy gash.
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A few weeks ago I thought we had cracked it. Now....
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Anyone sticking up for Hutton might want to reflect on the huge swathes of space he left open there.
You might want to consider if Hutton is in an advanced position, which he often is, the defensive midfielder covers that area. Basic stuff. Either that or Smith needs to instruct him to keep the shape and not attack.
once or twice in a game that's fair, expecting cover every time he goes forward is the biggest problem with hutton.
Have a word with Dean Smith.
Why? Has it been his fault for Hutton's entire career?
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this is crap
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Fair play to McClaren. After a dreadful start he’s really got his team looking very composed and comfortable on the ball. Us - we have reverted back to Bruce ball whacking it long.
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2 2 tammy
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yessssssss
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There should be 10 minutes added time at the end of this the way they've time wasted.
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Well played El Ghazi Tammmmmy!
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anwar and bree good work
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Tammyyyyyyyy again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 2 tammy
Way ahead of me
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Can we not knock it.
Actually fucking get in there!!!!!
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Time wasting bastard's. Ref is shit. And we are shit.
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That’s a fucking great cross by El Ghazi and a super finish by Tammy
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Great work down the right, there.
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must be 15 plus 10 injury time still
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Brilliant ball but Gazi
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anwar and bree good work
Agreed.
Neat, simple, lethal.
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That was better. Good move.
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If this ref doesn’t add on 10 mins then he’s useless
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Get in, brilliant El Ghazi and Tammy. Now win the fucking game.
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Having to score 3 every home game to get something from it, ridiculous though.
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That’s a fucking great cross by El Ghazi and a super finish by Tammy
At last
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2 2 tammy
Way ahead of me
Im on the pitch playing
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Fantastic ball in.
These are taking the piss with the time wasting. If the ref has got anything about him this will go to 7-8 minutes of injury time.
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That’s a fucking great cross by El Ghazi and a super finish by Tammy
Something to cheer you up eh ;)
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Forest Leeds is a cracker.
Come on you Villa boys. Let's have a 3-2 of our own.
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This is some serious “gamesmanship” by QPR
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Time wasting muppets
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bolaise u greedy fuck
pass the fucking ball
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Fucking hell Bolassie!
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Fucking Bolasie you wasteful wanker
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What the fuck was that from Bolasie?
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McGinn was wide open
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Goal was called on here before it happened on my red button ha ha. When did we last have a striker who got sixteen league goals by Jan 1st? Honestly can think.
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and there is why Bolasie isn't playing in the premier league, does that sort of thing far too often.
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This is better
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CMON VILLLLLLLAAAAA
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Come on
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Goal was called on here before it happened on my red button ha ha. When did we last have a striker who got sixteen league goals by Jan 1st? Honestly can think.
Someone like Gerry Hitchens?
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Late winner come on fuck we need one here.
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that was a waste
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top 3 all losing
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Wasted
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Chester really can’t play the ball out can he
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fuck me that boliase shot
square it and its 3 2
as bad as kodja
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Forest doing a Leeds...on Leeds!
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Top 3 all losing....come on villa
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Win Villa Win
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fuck conor off
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this will finish at six
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These QPR players are a disgrace
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this will finish at six
tomorrow morning at this rate.
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fuck conor off
What a clown today
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steer saves
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Come on ref this is seriously taking the piss, get your cards out
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Good save but Steer
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Caught on the break again. Good save from Steer.
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last two games bolaise has been bollocks
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Fucking Naaaarrrich get another late goal!
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We’re headed towards another very frustrating Post Match Thread
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Jesus, where is Deanos famous passing game
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ran out of ideas again
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Come on late goal off someones bollocks for Villa please, anything, we're starting to get bogged down Bruce style by constant draws.
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We’re headed towards another very frustrating Post Match Thread
Which is fair enough, it's been a very frustrating match to watch.
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All gone a bit RDM. Death by draw.
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Jesus, where is Deanos famous passing game
This squad and club still Steve Bruce DNA running through its veins
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Hopefully Tammy will have his third soon.
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We look like barcelona when grealish is playing and fucking grimsby when he is not..
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Hourihane off for Whelan
11 minutes added time.
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11 minutes of time added on!!
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24 mins injury time
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Enough time for us to score what should be the winner only for them to equalize in 100th minute
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How long got added on?
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hand fucking ball come on
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boliase over should haave gone back
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If Tammy was on the end of these headers Bolasie has fluffed...
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In Kodjia and Bolasie we have two superb talents that waste so much of it by being selfish, greedy bastards.
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SJM shot
more wasted time
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Good work by McGinn decent shot
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In Kodjia and Bolasie we have two superb talents that waste so much of it by being selfish, greedy bastards.
Which is why they're not at top sides
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Come on Villa. Get a good free kick in here
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How has their keeper not gone off for time wasting
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Where the fuck did Whelan come from and why is he taking free kicks. Yet again?
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This is a fucking joke now
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Don’t think we’ve won a single header in midfield.
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Bizarre viewing.
Fuck off QPR and your crap tactics.
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Aren’t they fucking embarrassed? It’s not even like we aren’t very beatable at home at the moment.
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Bit late to be booking them now ref you @!£&
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rubbish Villa
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Why is Bjarnason taking free kicks and corners? He’s atrocious.
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BB doesn’t even look like a professional footballer. What on earth does he bring to the table?
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fuck me without Jack - we are dull
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Why is Bjarnason taking free kicks and corners? He’s atrocious.
Dreadful isn't he. Fucking hell.
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fuck me without Jack - we are dull
this is the last month in a nutshell.
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Qpr, proper shithouse side, let it not distract from us being crap, again.
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rubbish
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No chance of automatic, we just aren't good enough, game over. Play offs will be a fight, every single fucking game we have to score 2 or 3 to get something from it.