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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Percy McCarthy on February 21, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
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A bloke at work reckons his mate told him we were booing Bruce at the final whistle last night. I told him I’d read loads of post-match comments and no-one mentioned it. Is his mate full of shit or did I put too much faith in H&V’s match-going massive?
Please help settle this disagreement if you can, ta.
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There were a smattering of boos at the result, more so at half time. It was frustration at the performance I'd say, not necessarily booing Bruce.
The boos at half time pissed me off. Yes we were terrible but the players need the support sometimes. The ground was silent first half, the crowd offered no support and there was zero atmosphere.
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There were a smattering of boos at the result, more so at half time. It was frustration at the performance I'd say, not necessarily booing Bruce.
The boos at half time pissed me off. Yes we were terrible but the players need the support sometimes. The ground was silent first half, the crowd offered no support and there was zero atmosphere.
You didn't think much of the crowd, QV?!
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There were a smattering of boos at the result, more so at half time. It was frustration at the performance I'd say, not necessarily booing Bruce.
The boos at half time pissed me off. Yes we were terrible but the players need the support sometimes. The ground was silent first half, the crowd offered no support and there was zero atmosphere.
You didn't think much of the crowd, QV?!
I personally think they should all write the club a letter of apology.
"Please accept our humble apologies for booing last night and not being supportive enough. Please also accept our apologies for only taking 5000 to Sheffield Wednesday when Leeds would have taken 250k and occupied the city for four and a bit years. Like the Germans did to Paris in the war."
(http://media3.giphy.com/media/SX9XzbhaYTw88/200w.webp)
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Thanks lads. Obviously I’d have known myself were I not on 2-10 shift, erm... Tom.
(Not at the Rover though as I took my redundancy in 2000).
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Thanks lads. Obviously I’d have known myself were I not on 2-10 shift, erm... Tom.
(Not at the Rover though as I took my redundancy in 2000).
Pretty sure I saw you in Touchwood during the match, Percy. You were wearing a Bronx hat. I was, err, on my way down the Rover.
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Thanks lads. Obviously I’d have known myself were I not on 2-10 shift, erm... Tom.
(Not at the Rover though as I took my redundancy in 2000).
Pretty sure I saw you in Touchwood during the match, Percy. You were wearing a Bronx hat. I was, err, on my way down the Rover.
You may mock, but some of my b-loser mates haven’t been since we took our redundancies. Apart from the half-a-million who went to Bruges obvs.
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There was no booing at the final whistle. There was booing at HT and I think understandable as up to then it was a terrible performance. I don't boo but fans have a right to do so if they are not pleased with the team. Fans pay with money, time and sometimes considerable disruption to their day to be at the match.
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Maybe they were shouting "Boo-urns"?
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Didn't hear any real booing at full-time, but there was at half-time. As others have said, it seemed more out of general frustration than aimed at any particular individual.
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Maybe they were shouting "Boo-urns"?
I was shouting Boo-urns.
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I didn't hear any booing at full time either. Not sure what QV is on about.
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There were murmurings coming out of the Upper Holte - you could hear them in the Lower but they weren't particularly loud. Unlike at half time.
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#fakeboos
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There were a smattering of boos at the result, more so at half time. It was frustration at the performance I'd say, not necessarily booing Bruce.
The boos at half time pissed me off. Yes we were terrible but the players need the support sometimes. The ground was silent first half, the crowd offered no support and there was zero atmosphere.
You didn't think much of the crowd, QV?!
I know he is somewhat obsessed. But in isolation it is difficult to dispute that particular post.
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Booing at half time, I didn't hear any at full time. Agree people seem to boo a lot more than they used to, maybe because of the final Lerner years. I don't see the point myself, but people pays their money so they have that option.
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Maybe the crowd were shouting Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce and that bloke left before the "ce"
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Booing at half time, I didn't hear any at full time. Agree people seem to boo a lot more than they used to, maybe because of the final Lerner years. I don't see the point myself, but people pays their money so they have that option.
I didn't stay to boo!!!!! Me and jnr decided to get off home early* - we passed junction 21a about 10pm :)
First home game in ages and i really cant see much change from the crap we endured over the last 2-3 years - players missing I understand but with the size of the squad we should be competing better against the "tougher sides" in this division - maybe the quality isn't there.
* I`d do the same if I was at a film I wasn't enjoying or concert that doesn't come up to expectation - i.e. I pay me money I take my choice
Cant see me returning to B6 for a while - I just don't enjoy the "experience" - doesn't stop me from caring though
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Booers like to boo
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Booing 747
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These Villa Park booers need sorting out.
Man City fans rarely boo (well not in the League anyway) and look where its got them to.
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maybe the booers were booing the booers
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Wake Up Boo
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If we have a manager or players who would be remotely bothered by that little reaction to a poor 45 minutes then we have a problem with their mentality.
Personally I didn’t boo & I am rarely in the ground at the full time whistle so wouldn’t boo there either but I also can’t see the harm in expressing dissatisfaction - I suspect by the double change at half time that Bruce would have joined in with the few who did boo.
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No matter what I do
All I think about is you.
Even when I Boo
I am crazy over Bruce
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The crowd were as bad as the team first half. A shocking performance from both.
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There were a smattering of boos at the result, more so at half time. It was frustration at the performance I'd say, not necessarily booing Bruce.
The boos at half time pissed me off. Yes we were terrible but the players need the support sometimes. The ground was silent first half, the crowd offered no support and there was zero atmosphere.
You didn't think much of the crowd, QV?!
he rarely does
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any idea why the atmosphere is poor at VP ?
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any idea why the atmosphere is poor at VP ?
It's been beaten out of us?
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No matter what I do
All I think about is you.
Even when I Boo
I am crazy over Bruce
It was like watching a bunch of Nellys`on Tuesday
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any idea why the atmosphere is poor at VP ?
DOL said we're fickle.
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There was no booing at the final whistle. There was booing at HT and I think understandable as up to then it was a terrible performance. I don't boo but fans have a right to do so if they are not pleased with the team. Fans pay with money, time and sometimes considerable disruption to their day to be at the match.
After seven wins on the bounce and in the middle of a vital promotion push?
Bollocks
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There was no booing at the final whistle. There was booing at HT and I think understandable as up to then it was a terrible performance. I don't boo but fans have a right to do so if they are not pleased with the team. Fans pay with money, time and sometimes considerable disruption to their day to be at the match.
After seven wins on the bounce and in the middle of a vital promotion push?
Bollocks
I'm sorry but the first half on Tuesday was absolutely dreadful. I didn't boo but my god I wanted to!
I'm with Aftab. Watching a bunch of players you know for a fact are quality for this division jog around and generally look like they couldn't give a toss, while a shitheap like Preston stroll around like they own VP - booing is entirely justifiable.
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This is the second season in the Championship. We've spent a relative fortune. People boo because they expect to get promoted. You don't mind losing if your robbed by the ref, are unlucky, get beaten by a last minute worldy and so on. That's not whats happening though - we're missing a couple of players and we look like we haven't got a plan B.
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I am very surprised that the rules on booing are not better understood. As a paying customer, players who are told for 168 hours a week that they are brilliant offer a window to you of a maximum of three hours a week when you can tell them when they are not. Booing of the home team is permissible when.
1 Individual players are shite
2 The entire team is shite
3. They have lost when they should have won if they had bothered to run around a bit.
4. They fail to run around a bit in any situation
5. They run around a bit but in entirely the wrong direction
6. The manager has selected a shite player instead of a crowd favourite.
7. The manager has picked a shite team
8. The manager has made a shite substitution
9 The manager has failed to recognise that a shite player requires substitution.
10. A player is either playing well to secure a move, or not playing well to avoid injury to secure a move
I hope that helps.
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Shite is a term open to subjective interpretation.
I understand and accept and will abide by these rules when I am at VP but I am still not clear when I can boo.
We need a shiteometer.
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Booing is a bit twatty at the best of times.
Have a moan instead, with a few pieces of classic Anglo-Saxon sprinkled throughout.
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I'm in the Trinity so I tut
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I hope the atmosphere is lively against Wolves on Saturday.
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Bit of booing at the end of a crap performance is good fun.
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I usually boo at full-time when they've been atrocious, but find that the effect of the booing is somewhat negated as I'm already half way to the Barton's by then.
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I don't boo (I react to bad results by standing up, hands in pocket, staring at the sky for a few minutes instead).
However, I think there's a difference to booing at half time and at full time, doing it at half time being much worse.
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I think a mass synchronous 'oh for fucks sake' would work so much better.
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People pay a lot of money to watch a game, if the performance at the end of the first half/ full time has been shit then i see no problem with people booing. Players are happy to milk the crowds applause when they play wel, then can have the booing when their performances are shit.
Its when individual players are booed during a match that i think it becomes a probelm.
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I've only ever booed at one bloke but that was David O'Leary so perfectly justified.
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I think a mass synchronous 'oh for fucks sake' would work so much better.
Or we all simultaneously blow a raspberry
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I think a mass synchronous 'oh for fucks sake' would work so much better.
Or we all simultaneously blow a raspberry
When my wife accompanied me for a couple of seasons, she was expressed surprise to discover that Downing's first name was Stuart, rather than Fucksake.
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I once booed at Sorenson, incensed as I was at yet another godawful fucking kick that was aimless. It was a little out of character, I was on my own doing it and it sounded more like I was shouting to give him a surprise.
It was involuntary almost.
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I think booing at half time should only be aimed at the bar service in the stands. That is perfectly justified.
And before I get shot at, I'm joking.
But it is shit.
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Booing is a bit twatty at the best of times.
Bollocks!
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When my wife accompanied me for a couple of seasons, she was expressed surprise to discover that Downing's first name was Stuart, rather than Fucksake.
It should have been Weasel but it was Stewart.
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When my wife accompanied me for a couple of seasons, she was expressed surprise to discover that Downing's first name was Stuart, rather than Fucksake.
It should have been Weasel but it was Stewart.
Remove the SER and you are left with TWAT - how apt
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I follow Mainz 05 in the Bundesliga and they have been shite for ages -relegation beckons, if they don't up their game and sharpish. A couple of weeks ago in Hoffenheim, the travelling support finally lost their collect rag and hurled abuse at them for the last twenty minutes. This led to the players not even acknowledging the fans at the end. Next day the club, trainer and players sent a joint open letter whinging about how upset they were and how much they were all trying really, really hard to avoid relegation and the negative attitude of the fans was really not helping... Anyone like to hazard a guess as to how that went down?
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I think a mass synchronous 'oh for fucks sake' would work so much better.
Or we all simultaneously blow a raspberry
Maybe the club could help us out by flashing images of the Phantom Raspberry Blower on the screens during injury time.
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Booing is a bit twatty at the best of times.
Bollocks!
It is. Its like men wearing replica shirts. Its all a bit daft.
You're not watching Joe Pasquale in Aladdin at the Alex.
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I agree but the whole thing is a pantomime. Oh yes he did, oh no he didn't, songs sang to old music hall tunes, play-acting on the pitch, fans reacting in the same old way to the same old stuff that happens in every single game.
It's the 50+ bald blokes giving it large like they're 18 that make me laugh the most. Silly old bollockses.
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Should ban the over 50's (bald or hairy) from supporting Villa in any way, shape or form
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Should ban the over 50's from supporting Villa in any way, shape or form
And voting.
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Oh well, guess us old bastards will always have the memory of winning the league and European Cup.
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Oh well, guess us old bastards will always have the memory of winning the league and European Cup.
You've never mentioned it before!
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Should ban the over 50's (bald or hairy) from supporting Villa in any way, shape or form
And move to the Bescot.
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Oh well, guess us old bastards will always have the memory of winning the league and European Cup.
You've never mentioned it before!
Oh well, guess us old bastards will always have the memory of winning the league and European Cup.
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Booing is a bit twatty at the best of times.
Bollocks!
It is. Its like men wearing replica shirts. Its all a bit daft.
You're not watching Joe Pasquale in Aladdin at the Alex.
You might have a point. Then again, staying in the stand booing is better than acting like a clown under the stand for the whole second half isn’t it?
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Why would you not want to come back and watch the second half?
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That’s what several people seem to do this season. A load left Hillsborough at half time bacause the bar wasn’t open.
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That’s what several people seem to do this season. A load left Hillsborough at half time bacause the bar wasn’t open.
Bet they were over 50...bastards
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I hope you booed them.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
To drink shit over priced beer. Bizarre
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Booing as a reaction to a bad half of football or one bad result is madness. On the other hand, anyone who's against booing in principle must have just stayed away from the ground altogether during the latter DO'L days.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
To drink shit over priced beer. Bizarre
They don't drink it. They throw it up in the air while their mates film it. You work that one out.
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Booing as a reaction to a bad half of football or one bad result is madness. On the other hand, anyone who's against booing in principle must have just stayed away from the ground altogether during the latter DO'L days.
Think you must have stayed away.
There were songs regularly sung, such as at our heroic 5-0 hammering at Highbury about us being an honest bunch of lads.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
I've got some older mates who follow the Cobblers away as they are the local team to me before MK Dons came about
they go all over Bury, Oldham, Fleetwood, Exeter etc sometimes they don't even make it into the ground they just feel like staying in the pub
it's just a day out with mates to them they could stay in town but prefer the options
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Booing as a reaction to a bad half of football or one bad result is madness. On the other hand, anyone who's against booing in principle must have just stayed away from the ground altogether during the latter DO'L days.
Think you must have stayed away.
There were songs regularly sung, such as at our heroic 5-0 hammering at Highbury about us being an honest bunch of lads.
I sure as heck didn't, Ads. Flew over for plenty of matches in that last season and wore my We're Not Fickle, We Just Don't Like You badge loud and proud. And yes, I booed O'Leary. He had no respect for the club or the fans, and a decade on, I would still do the same.
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Oddest booing I ever heard down here was half time of a game v Pompey about 10 years ago. It was that game Sulley Muntari hit a couple of wonder goals yet we'd actually battered Pompey for the first half so were very unlucky to go 0-2.
It was a fair bit of the crowd aswell, I could only work out they were booing for the crime of losing 2-0 at home to Portsmouth (and Pompey were a decent team at the time of course).
Two outstanding strikes from Sulley Muntari helped Portsmouth to a sixth straight away win against a shell-shocked Aston Villa.
Villa dominated the first half but fell behind early on when scrappy play in their penalty area led to Craig Gardner prodding the ball into his own net.
Muntari's first was a left-footed strike from 25 yards and he then beat two defenders to score with a low shot.
Another one was I think later that season v Wigan. 0-0 at half time and boos which upset MON. The sort of game where we still wouldn't have scored if we were playing now.
Rubbish performances I can get. Don't understand when we have actually played well but just haven't won the game as with that Wigan one.
Edit: Honourable exception being of course the Bradford second leg!
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Try again SHQ :P
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Opps though Bradford was 1-1.
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I think at one stage in the Portsmouth game we were 3-0 down and they'd only had 2 shots. Wigan was the following season.
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Opps though Bradford was 1-1.
I was on about you managing to quote yourself when you were editing.
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A boo isn't a bad thing if the team haven't put effort in. Like the Liverpool debacle.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
It mainly seems to happen when we take over 3000.
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It baffles me as to why people spend money on tickets and travel then spend most of the game in a concourse.
It mainly seems to happen when we take over 3000.
Easy
Booers like to boo (BLTB)
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Back to booing again??????
DLBIA
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Didn't even get the whistling song tonight!
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Didn't even get the whistling song tonight!
Was it the funeral march?
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Didn't even get the whistling song tonight!
That shows how unexpected it was.
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Didn't even get the whistling song tonight!
Frankie Knuckles or Roger Whittaker ?
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In 45 minutes of football, we went from everyone staying behind to acclaim the players after smashing Wolves, to booing them off as QPR returned the favour.
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Better to boo than fuck off on 75 minutes en masse.
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Better to boo than fuck off on 75 minutes en masse.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Appreciate others will disagree, but for me the majority role of a football supporter is exactly that, supporting & encouraging.
It'll sound patronising, but I seem to remember the Baggies coming up one year and maybe going straight back down, but being impressed by the persistent positive support they seemed to get from their fans. (of course my experience of their away support may not have represented their home support).
Clearly there is a difference between working your socks off whilst being not good enough, and being lazy/not stepping up etc.
Of course there are times when enough is enough, these should be very few & far between. Maybe we've had too many of those of late, I share the intense frustration towards some of our expensive wastrels.
I suppose for me it's about how do we get what we want, and whilst of course these are usually tiny tiny margins, the current West Ham crisis is an excellent case where some of the crowd make it more difficult for the team.
I want my team to do well. Encouraging them on the whole is the best way to do that. I reckon it's quite rare that a crowd turning on a team helps them.
It's just *so* very very far from something I could easily do, to boo my own team. Am I alone in this?
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Sorry I make that as a person who doesn't agree with booing very much.
In fairness to the people in the Witton Lane, at least they're consistent in their fucking off en masse.
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Better to boo than fuck off on 75 minutes en masse.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Appreciate others will disagree, but for me the majority role of a football supporter is exactly that, supporting & encouraging.
It'll sound patronising, but I seem to remember the Baggies coming up one year and maybe going straight back down, but being impressed by the persistent positive support they seemed to get from their fans. (of course my experience of their away support may not have represented their home support).
Clearly there is a difference between working your socks off whilst being not good enough, and being lazy/not stepping up etc.
Of course there are times when enough is enough, these should be very few & far between. Maybe we've had too many of those of late, I share the intense frustration towards some of our expensive wastrels.
I suppose for me it's about how do we get what we want, and whilst of course these are usually tiny tiny margins, the current West Ham crisis is an excellent case where some of the crowd make it more difficult for the team.
I want my team to do well. Encouraging them on the whole is the best way to do that. I reckon it's quite rare that a crowd turning on a team helps them.
It's just *so* very very far from something I could easily do, to boo my own team. Am I alone in this?
I completely agree with this - it can only ever be entirely counter productive to a teams performance.
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Better to boo than fuck off on 75 minutes en masse.
Rule of 3 mate. If we go 3 down we aren't getting back in it and, particularly on a week night, people have school/work the next day. Pissing off a bit early seems entirely appropriate. If we were going at them then fair enough to expect people to stop. But we were creating bugger all, had an incredibly unbalanced team that were far more likely to concede again than mount a comeback and the ref certainly wasn't going to let us build up any sort of head of steam.
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Better to boo than fuck off on 75 minutes en masse.
..........far more likely to concede again than mount a comeback and the ref certainly wasn't going to let us build up any sort of head of steam.
......except it was us that scored next of course!
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If folks left last night on 75 mins then it was QPR making it 3-0 that was the next goal. I didn't see too many leaving until the 3rd went in and then it was a mass exodus.