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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2017, 10:22:17 PM
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Ties to be played week commencing 21st August. As we are at Bristol City the following Friday, I'd imagine our game will be on Tuesday 22nd. If we draw Grimsby it will be later as their rearranged First Round game against Derby is the same week as the Second Round.
Draw to be made after Bury vs Sunderland, tomorrow night.
Seeds
Bournemouth
Brighton
Burnley
Crystal Palace
Huddersfield
Leicester
Newcastle
Southampton
Stoke
Swansea
Watford
West Brom
West Ham
VILLA
Barnsley (if Bury beat Sunderland or Grimsby beat Derby)
Brentford
Cardiff
Derby (if they beat Grimsby)
Fulham
Hull
Leeds
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Reading
Sheffield Wednesday
Sunderland (if they beat Bury)
Wolves (if Bury beat Sunderland and Grimsby beat Derby)
Unseeded
Barnsley (if Sunderland beat Bury and Derby beat Grimsby)
Small Heath
Bolton
Bristol City
Burton
Ipswich
Millwall
Forest
QPR
Sheffield United
Wolves (if Sunderland beat Bury or Derby beat Grimsby)
Blackburn
Bristol Rovers
Bury (if they beat Sunderland)
Charlton
Doncaster
MK Dons
Rochdale
Rotherham
Scunthorpe
Wigan
Accrington Stanley
Barnet
Carlisle
Cheltenham
Grimsby (if they beat Derby)
Newport
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Newport at home. I owe those twats for 1986.
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Any of the League Two sides bar Grimsby at home (as I can't be arsed waiting ages for our tie).
If we are at home at least us season ticket holders get to use our free game.
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Millwall. We owe them one big time for the 0-1 freezathon Shittufest.
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Even at their place. Five minutes walk home.
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It's going to be Small Heath
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We never win at Millwall. That would be a disastrous draw. As an away tie against a Championship club is, quite literally, the worst tie we could get, I'm not sure why anyone would choose that option, regardless of how close they live.
And we lost 2-1, not 1-0. Unless I'm mistaken.
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Did anyone else read the list of seeds before coming to us and think how the hell are they all in the division above us !? Depressing times.
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It's even worse when you're typing the list of seeds.
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MK Dons away
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MK Dons away
What allocation would we get?
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A bazillion.
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A bazillion.
Leeds would sell twice that.
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Anyone away, preferably SHA.
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Again, that would be a terrible draw.
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Preferably someone we can still play the stiffs and the kids against but won't be viewed as a disaster if we go out. Away tie to one of our promotion rivals - let them have the headache
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MK Dons away
This for me too!
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I chose Millwall because I want revenge for the 1-0 defeat at their place when Lambert never got off his seat, Danny Shittu was made to look like Paul McGrath, us travelling fans were kettled for two hours in sub zero temperatures, the police forced us to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not while they completely ignored a Millwall ambush on two coach loads of our fans. Plus the pelting of our players with plastic bottles and similar debris. Redress for that game from hell is long overdue.
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We can beat them in the League. Let's get an easier League Cup draw. And it was two-one.
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Accrington Stanley at home. £1 a ticket. Full house.
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I chose Millwall because I want revenge for the 1-0 defeat at their place when Lambert never got off his seat, Danny Shittu was made to look like Paul McGrath, us travelling fans were kettled for two hours in sub zero temperatures, the police forced us to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not while they completely ignored a Millwall ambush on two coach loads of our fans. Plus the pelting of our players with plastic bottles and similar debris. Redress for that game from hell is long overdue.
I was there that night. Our mini bus got pulled over on the way there by police checking to see who were, but yes, it was a very unpleasant experience all round.
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I chose Millwall because I want revenge for the 1-0 defeat at their place when Lambert never got off his seat, Danny Shittu was made to look like Paul McGrath, us travelling fans were kettled for two hours in sub zero temperatures, the police forced us to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not while they completely ignored a Millwall ambush on two coach loads of our fans. Plus the pelting of our players with plastic bottles and similar debris. Redress for that game from hell is long overdue.
It was 2-1, Bent scored fore Villa, not 1-0.
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Cheltenham or Bristol Rovers away, fairly local.
Or someone like Accrington at home.
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Was it 2-1? My brain probably ceased to function at 1-0 when the temperature fell below zero. Everything else I related is true. My take, probably due to my age, is that I fear no opposition. I don't dream of soft rides to the cup or to promotion.
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MK Dons away
What allocation would we get?
As many as you want 9000 is not uncommon
I'm rooting for this one too as it's just up the road for me
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Not a cat in hells chance we would take that allocation for a midweek cup game at a MK Dons.
4K Tops.
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Bury, MK Dons, Accrington or Newport. I've never seen us play any of them. Preferably at home for convenience/laziness.
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Not a cat in hells chance we would take that allocation for a midweek cup game at a MK Dons.
4K Tops.
I'll reserve judgement until I've heard what QuintonVilla has to say on the matter ;D
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Not a cat in hells chance we would take that allocation for a midweek cup game at a MK Dons.
4K Tops.
i know that but he asked what our allocation could be
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A nice easy draw for me.
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Home to any of the teams I haven't seen us play, which is about a 1/3 chance.
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They've now regionalised the draw aswell as seeding it. We're in the North draw so our potential opponents are:
14. Bury / Barnsley*
15. Accrington Stanley
16. Blackburn Rovers
17. Bolton Wanderers
18. Carlisle United
19. Doncaster Rovers
20. Newport County
21. Nottingham Forest
22. Rochdale
23. Rotherham United
24. Scunthorpe United
25. Sheffield United
26. Wigan Athletic
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What a load of old shite. If we draw any one of those teams at home ...I wont be going. More dumbing down of football .The "big six" wont have to play each other so will have an easy ride to the quarter finals ...and one of them will win it. Just have a raffle with 6 tickets in it and give them the trophy. No chance of a derby,no real chance of winning it, no excitement in this cup anymore. Its been mickey mouse for years ..except for 2011 of course when it was a major trophy.
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Hoping for one of:-
Bury
Accrington Stanley
Carlisle United
Newport County
Rochdale
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They've now regionalised the draw aswell as seeding it. We're in the North draw so our potential opponents are:
14. Bury / Barnsley*
15. Accrington Stanley
16. Blackburn Rovers
17. Bolton Wanderers
18. Carlisle United
19. Doncaster Rovers
20. Newport County
21. Nottingham Forest
22. Rochdale
23. Rotherham United
24. Scunthorpe United
25. Sheffield United
26. Wigan Athletic
Newport County? Really?
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I chose Millwall because I want revenge for the 1-0 defeat at their place when Lambert never got off his seat, Danny Shittu was made to look like Paul McGrath, us travelling fans were kettled for two hours in sub zero temperatures, the police forced us to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not while they completely ignored a Millwall ambush on two coach loads of our fans. Plus the pelting of our players with plastic bottles and similar debris. Redress for that game from hell is long overdue.
I was there that night. Our mini bus got pulled over on the way there by police checking to see who were, but yes, it was a very unpleasant experience all round.
I went to Millwall in '87-88 (Easter Saturday I think) and 89'90. Very grim ground and moody/aggressive atmosphere. They should run out to the Mastermind theme music. 'Approaching Menace'.
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They've now regionalised the draw aswell as seeding it. We're in the North draw so our potential opponents are:
14. Bury / Barnsley*
15. Accrington Stanley
16. Blackburn Rovers
17. Bolton Wanderers
18. Carlisle United
19. Doncaster Rovers
20. Newport County
21. Nottingham Forest
22. Rochdale
23. Rotherham United
24. Scunthorpe United
25. Sheffield United
26. Wigan Athletic
Newport County? Really?
Great club Newport. European Cup Winners Cup quarter finalists in the eighties. Helped by being in The Welsh Cup and any time the likes of Hereford or Shrewsbury won it they couldn't take the place of a Welsh club.
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Accrington Stanley (exactly) at home please - them and Newport are the only teams out of that lot that I've not seen 'in the flesh'
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Happy with that. Blose and Millwall were the two I was most wanting to avoid.
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Very selfish I know, Carlisle United away please.
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Be interested to see on what basis they split the North/South pots. Norwich, SHA and Wolves are in the southern pot, but by my reckoning are a fair bit further north than Newport.
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They've now regionalised the draw aswell as seeding it. We're in the North draw so our potential opponents are:
14. Bury / Barnsley*
15. Accrington Stanley
16. Blackburn Rovers
17. Bolton Wanderers
18. Carlisle United
19. Doncaster Rovers
20. Newport County
21. Nottingham Forest
22. Rochdale
23. Rotherham United
24. Scunthorpe United
25. Sheffield United
26. Wigan Athletic
Newport County? Really?
Great club Newport. European Cup Winners Cup quarter finalists in the eighties. Helped by being in The Welsh Cup and any time the likes of Hereford or Shrewsbury won it they couldn't take the place of a Welsh club.
I wasn't doubting their greatness.............!
It was their being in the Northern group that surprised me but I understand it's something to do with ensuring they play away from their home ground?
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Doncaster away
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By law we have to play Blackburn and/or Sheffield United in a cup match every season.
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They've now regionalised the draw aswell as seeding it. We're in the North draw so our potential opponents are:
14. Bury / Barnsley*
15. Accrington Stanley
16. Blackburn Rovers
17. Bolton Wanderers
18. Carlisle United
19. Doncaster Rovers
20. Newport County
21. Nottingham Forest
22. Rochdale
23. Rotherham United
24. Scunthorpe United
25. Sheffield United
26. Wigan Athletic
Newport County? Really?
Great club Newport. European Cup Winners Cup quarter finalists in the eighties. Helped by being in The Welsh Cup and any time the likes of Hereford or Shrewsbury won it they couldn't take the place of a Welsh club.
I wasn't doubting their greatness.............!
It was their being in the Northern group that surprised me but I understand it's something to do with ensuring they play away from their home ground?
From what I can remember, whenever there is a North/South divide (the old lower divisions/non league football or cup draws) the basic laws of geography go out of the window. Now Australia compete in the Eurovision Song Contest, I am waiting for them to put a team out in a league like 'English Conference North'.
Or 'National League North' as I have discovered it is called after Googling it!
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Be interested to see on what basis they split the North/South pots. Norwich, SHA and Wolves are in the southern pot, but by my reckoning are a fair bit further north than Newport.
Newport have been placed in a different half of the draw to West Ham to ensure that they don't draw each other as both clubs have been given dispensation to switch any home tie so that they play away. Result is even if we are drawn to play "away" to Newport, it'll be switched to Villa Park.
I'd say Norwich being in the South makes more sense as it is better to get to from the South in terms of transport/road links.
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Accrington Stanley please...
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Where can I watch the draw?
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Where can I watch the draw?
Sky I think.
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On now. Alex McLeish involved in a draw. Not for the first time.
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Apologies...found it. Anyone at home please
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What the hell is this draw?! The League Cup is so tinpot (unless we win it).
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Darawing separate balls for home and away, what on earth?
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Well, they cocked that up, after stating a white ball would be away, the first ball drawn was a white which Salako said was home. 4 draws in he realises his mistake and they change home to red. Complete shambles
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Who designed this draw method?
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Wigan at home
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Boring, but winnable. At least I get my free home cup game.
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Wigan at Home
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Why is John Salako doing a big "oooooooooooh" after he draws every single home or away ball?
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Wigan home
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Who designed this draw method?
Mick Fleetwood and Samantha Fox.
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Woohoo! We finally get our free home cup game!!!
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Can't go. Does anyone know if I can use my freebie at another home cup game, or does it have to be this one?
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Since when has Newport been in 'the North' ?
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Since when has Newport been in 'the North' ?
Well, it's in the northern hemisphere.
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Since when has Newport been in 'the North' ?
Something to do with not being able to play @ Home and West Ham being in same position
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Hopefully it'll be on the Tuesday, as we have Bristol City on the following Friday.
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They should have just had one red and one white for home and away and put them back in each time to guarantee it was 50:50. By removing a ball each time your odds were changed by what had gone before - which isn't right.
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Since when has Newport been in 'the North' ?
Clearly it's not and not sure if you are being serious but in order to devise a north/south and seeded draw with equal numbers these anomalies appear. This is why Burton (not seeded) are in South section whilst we (seeded) are in north when geographically Burton is some way north from us.
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Is this game free for season ticket holders ? I know that was the plan last season.
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The Burton anomaly was to ensure an even number of Northern and Southern clubs in both the seeded and unseeded groups.
Newport were in the North to avoid being drawn to play West Ham... as both clubs need to play away as their stadium/pitch are being changed.
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Can't go. Does anyone know if I can use my freebie at another home cup game, or does it have to be this one?
Go with this one don't chance your luck.
I am taking this one as might end up with no freebie.
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Is this game free for season ticket holders ? I know that was the plan last season.
I think it was confirmed that it would carry over from last season. Not sure if "new" season ticket holders would be eligible... I hope so. Be nice to get a reasonable crowd for a cup game.
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Can't go. Does anyone know if I can use my freebie at another home cup game, or does it have to be this one?
Go with this one don't chance your luck.
I am taking this one as might end up with no freebie.
Literally can't go! I'm on holiday in Italy that week!
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I can't believe anyone would choose a trip to Italy instead of Wigan at home in the second round of the LC.
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Can't go. Does anyone know if I can use my freebie at another home cup game, or does it have to be this one?
Go with this one don't chance your luck.
I am taking this one as might end up with no freebie.
Literally can't go! I'm on holiday in Italy that week!
☹️Never mind we will beat Wigan and hopefully have another home tie.
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Yes it's boring but it's winnable with a second string team which is the main thing.
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Considering the struggles that the TO are having dealing with basic ticketing, I can't see them offering the option of delaying use the freebie until a later round
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I can't believe anyone would choose a trip to Italy instead of Wigan at home in the second round of the LC.
I know! So disappointed to be missing the game. The holiday was booked ages ago. Had I known I would never have agreed to the trip. ;-)
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I can't believe anyone would choose a trip to Italy instead of Wigan at home in the second round of the LC.
I know! So disappointed to be missing the game. The holiday was booked ages ago. Had I known I would never have agreed to the trip. ;-)
Don't worry, for just £3 you can watch it on AVTV Live (as long as Sky don't pick it up, in which case you can watch it down the taverna!).
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Surely we are safe from TV coverage this time? I fancy Blackburn v Burnley and Accrington Stanley v Albion will be chosen.
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Why is John Salako doing a big "oooooooooooh" after he draws every single home or away ball?
It was very disturbing, glad it wasn't just me who noticed it!
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How did we end up in the north and sha and wolves ended up in the south?
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I think to ensure that there were an even number of Northern and Southern teams in both seeded and unseeded pots.
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How did we end up in the north and sha and wolves ended up in the south?
Because as football clubs, they are both below us.
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Juvenile and funny.
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Why is John Salako doing a big "oooooooooooh" after he draws every single home or away ball?
It was very disturbing, glad it wasn't just me who noticed it!
"Rochdale, and they're.......away.......oooooooooooooooooooh!"
It was like he'd just drawn the US away at North Korea.
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Slightly concerned that "why are Newport in the Northern Section?" might be the new "why didn't Barry take the penalty?"
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Royal Engineers and they're away 'ooooooooooooooh'
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Slightly concerned that "why are Newport in the Northern Section?" might be the new "why didn't Barry take the penalty?"
About time we had a new question about a Welsh town.
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It my defence, i wasn't aware of the Rodney Parade or WH Council House unavailabity. :-[
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It my defence, i wasn't aware of the Rodney Parade or WH Council House unavailabity. :-[
You must be delighted we drew a Welsh club this round!!
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I thought they had fucked it up!
Now confirmed that the first four ties were drawn out back-to-front, and the pundits neglected to notice that West Ham and Newport were both supposed to be away.
Doesn't affect our tie, or any of the other particularly interesting ones, but does mean that Bristol City have an away game the midweek before our meeting, which is good news I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40895331
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It's pretty impressive cocking up the first and second round draws.
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Can't wait to see who Clyde draw in the Third Round.
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From Twitter:
"Dear Sky. For the next League Cup Draw can I suggest FOUR pots, one of which contains a Scorpion"
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John Salako be like:
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From Twitter:
"Dear Sky. For the next League Cup Draw can I suggest FOUR pots, one of which contains a Scorpion"
Which one though?
(http://www.rockbandaide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/scorpions.jpg)
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The Third Round draw is in Beijing. I think it might be slightly easier to follow if it's conducted in Mandarin.
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I can't believe anyone would choose a trip to Italy instead of Wigan at home in the second round of the LC.
In 1968 I refused to go on holiday with my parents to Spain as it clashed with Crystal Palace at home. An Aunt came and looked after us for the week, a Willie Anderson penalty got us a 1-1 draw in front of just over 15k.
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I totally forgot about the draw and i'm gutted I missed it. Sounds like it was tremendous fun.
Good draw though.
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It my defence, i wasn't aware of the Rodney Parade or WH Council House unavailabity. :-[
You must be delighted we drew a Welsh club this round!!
;D
We were only close to Wales, we didn't actually go into Wales
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Decent draw although why they have to mess with it and have a Northern and Southern section I don't know.
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I thought they had fucked it up!
Now confirmed that the first four ties were drawn out back-to-front, and the pundits neglected to notice that West Ham and Newport were both supposed to be away.
Doesn't affect our tie, or any of the other particularly interesting ones, but does mean that Bristol City have an away game the midweek before our meeting, which is good news I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40895331
Whoa back up. I seem to have missed something here.
Villa & Ollbeyun in the North section and Small Heath & Wolves in the south? Wtf. And why are some prem teams not involved? Sorry if I'm being a bit blonde but I was out the country for a while!
#err don't matter I've just read back the previous posts!
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I have fond memories of Wigan in the League Cup, after going to the home and away games in 95, and watching the new Pele smash them to bits.
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From Twitter:
"Dear Sky. For the next League Cup Draw can I suggest FOUR pots, one of which contains a Scorpion"
Which one though?
(http://www.rockbandaide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/scorpions.jpg)
They looked like fecking idiots back then but The Scorpions are a great band. I've seen them live several times
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It's pretty impressive cocking up the first and second round draws.
This
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Is this a freebie with a season ticket these days?
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I can't believe anyone would choose a trip to Italy instead of Wigan at home in the second round of the LC.
In 1968 I refused to go on holiday with my parents to Spain as it clashed with Crystal Palace at home. An Aunt came and looked after us for the week, a Willie Anderson penalty got us a 1-1 draw in front of just over 15k.
Going to Spain in 1968? Was your Dad Marco Polo?
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How can Newport be in the North?
In all seriousness, Wigan at home isn't a bad draw at all. It would be nice to have a bit of a cup run, AND be in the promotion mix.
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Whoa back up. I seem to have missed something here.
Villa & Ollbeyun in the North section and Small Heath & Wolves in the south? Wtf. And why are some prem teams not involved? Sorry if I'm being a bit blonde but I was out the country for a while!
#err don't matter I've just read back the previous posts!
Well if you back up a page or two north south is all explained. All PL teams involved in Europe join in the third round.
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Another nice draw. Always up for a bit of a Cup run even if the league should be our main focus. Picking up early wins in any competition is no bad thing, though of course it'll probably be a very different line up from the league ;)
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Good draw, looking forward to seeing how some of the youngsters perform again.
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What the hell is this draw?! The League Cup is so tinpot (unless we win it).
They are certainly doing their best to make it that way. The stupid name and the north / south nonsense makes it all seem a bit Leyland Daf / Johnstone Paint (another competition that has been unnecessarily messed with) level.
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The one thing the league cup has over the other domestic trophies is that the trophy itself is the original. At least I think it is.
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Googled it for you...
"The winners receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs – the current one also being the original, a three-handled Georgian-style urn with a separate plinth (added later). Designed and manufactured by Mappin & Webb, it weighs 2.976 kg and measures 27 cm by 20.5 cm. It is worth around £20,000. It was used until the 1980-81 competition, before coming back into use ever since the 1990-91 competition. The reason for the break in usage was the introduction for the first time of a competition sponsor – the Milk Marketing Board, who chose to award their own trophy from 1981–82 to 1985–86.The next sponsor, Littlewoods, also chose to award their own trophy, from 1986–87 until 1989–90. Later sponsors have used the original."
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I was thinking right then.
it's the only domestic Trophy I've had my hands on which must give it that bit more reverence.
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Fixed trophy description for Bren'd
Googled it for you...
"The winners receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs – the current one also being the original, a three-handled Georgian-style urn with a separate plinth (added later). Designed and manufactured by Mappin & Webb, it weighs 2.976 kg and measures 27 cm by 20.5 cm and has been fondled by Bren'd. It is worth around £20,000. It was used until the 1980-81 competition, before coming back into use ever since the 1990-91 competition. The reason for the break in usage was the introduction for the first time of a competition sponsor – the Milk Marketing Board, who chose to award their own trophy from 1981–82 to 1985–86.The next sponsor, Littlewoods, also chose to award their own trophy, from 1986–87 until 1989–90. Later sponsors have used the original."
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I have fond memories of Wigan in the League Cup, after going to the home and away games in 95, and watching the new Pele smash them to bits.
'94? Think poor Nii was gone by the time Brian got the job late that year.
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I have fond memories of Wigan in the League Cup, after going to the home and away games in 95, and watching the new Pele smash them to bits.
'94? Think poor Nii was gone by the time Brian got the job late that year.
It was technically 1994, but did come under the 1994-1995 season, 8-0 on aggregate I believe?
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It was indeed 1994. I also went to both ties. Oh, the delights of Springfield Park...
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Lamptey was excellent in those games, although I think Wigan were pretty much bottom of Div 4 at the time. A week after the 5-0 home leg was Inter at home.
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I assume the North/South thing is an attempt to cut costs given the way attendances for the early rounds of this competition have gone in recent years.
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Wigans kit at VP was identical to the Inter kit, it was surreal, also remember Fontolan having a blonde haired double playing for Wigan.
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From Twitter:
"Dear Sky. For the next League Cup Draw can I suggest FOUR pots, one of which contains a Scorpion"
That made I larf.
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I assume the North/South thing is an attempt to cut costs given the way attendances for the early rounds of this competition have gone in recent years.
No. It was a cack-handed method of ensuring that Newport didn't draw West Ham as both sides have to play away from home due to stadium/pitch refurbishments.
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North and South section splits is common in countries with less funding for footy.
Whatever the reason, it's good that away fans don't have to travel too far on a midweek night.
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The whole draw was a farce ! How come Derby were seeded when they haven't even got through to Round 2 yet ?
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I assume the North/South thing is an attempt to cut costs given the way attendances for the early rounds of this competition have gone in recent years.
No. It was a cack-handed method of ensuring that Newport didn't draw West Ham as both sides have to play away from home due to stadium/pitch refurbishments.
Couldn't they have just said the Newport were the away side in the first tie, then then drawn the home side and, only at that point, put West Ham's number in the pot ?
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Yes. Or just said the first seed drawn was at to Newport, the first unseeded team drawn was at home to West Ham.
No idea why they needed to regionalise the whole draw just for that.
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The whole draw was a farce ! How come Derby were seeded when they haven't even got through to Round 2 yet ?
I suppose because otherwise you'd have to have an extra team waiting around for the outcome of the Grimsby v Derby match, one seeded, one not. As it is, Grimsby effectively inherit Derby's seeded status if they knock them out. Similar to how it works in the early qualifying rounds of the European competitions.
My personal preference is just get rid of seeding altogether. Seeding in a knockout competition is shite.
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First round was regional as well so maybe the second round would have been regardless of the Newport/West Ham situation.
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This suggests otherwise...
https://www.efl.com/news/2017/august/carabao-cup-clubs-to-learn-round-two-fate/
Also, last season the First Round was seeded but the Second Round wasn't.
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I'd keep it regionalised in future for the first 2 rounds, sod seeding though.
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I don't really like seeding or regionalisation. We live in a little country, no need. Plus it can leave the draw uneven.
Depending on League placings, you could easily have a situation where a Northern lower-league club could play teams like Villa, Leeds or Sunderland while a Southern club would have far fewer potentially "big" opponents. I think part of the fun of cup draws is imagining who you might get, particularly for the smaller clubs. It takes away some of the potential excitement if you massively reduce the number of potential opponents.
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As it's a midweek competition i'd go with regionalisation for the first 2 rounds. Better for a lot of the clubs and fans as no stupid journeys. Then go national from the 3rd round onwards. As for no need, there is, we just won't tend to think so as we have no stupid journeys like the north and south clubs do.
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Pretty much anywhere outside the Midlands is a "stupid journey" if you're reliant on public transport for a midweek game. It's why I hate the oft-mooted idea of switching the FA Cup to midweeks (indeed, such is my dislike of midweek cup ties that I'd get rid of replays). But, anyway, I digress.
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Pretty much anywhere outside the Midlands is a "stupid journey" if you're reliant on public transport for a midweek game. It's why I hate the oft-mooted idea of switching the FA Cup to midweeks (indeed, such is my dislike of midweek cup ties that I'd get rid of replays). But, anyway, I digress.
I say get rid of penalty shoot outs and bring back unlimited replays in both cup competitions.
Penalty shoot outs in 1977 would have meant no Brian Little masterclass and hat trick at Highbury against QPR, no Chris Nicholl 40 yarder and two more Brian Little goals against Everton in one of our most exciting games ever.
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You can find an exception to the rule such as that, but I generally find replays a bit dull. The smaller club can raise their game once but tend to get battered in the replay. More chance of an upset with extra time and penalties. Plus, even with the example you gave, many people who had work or school wouldn't have been able to attend. Part of the fun of cup games is bigger clubs going to grounds they'd never normally visit, and small clubs getting a dream visit to an Old Trafford, Annfield or Villa Park. Which is why I'd get rid of midweek cup games, including replays.
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And with replays both your "part of the fun" things can be done in one round. You may as well say there should be no football midweek of any kind, which is impossible as there aren't enough weekends to do a full season.
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Oxford City v Alvechurch in the last qualifying round back in the day of proper football, which had 5 replays.
We played each other six times in less than three weeks - Saturday, Tuesday, Monday, Wednesday, Saturday, Monday - and four of those games went to extra time. Plus we had a league game in between, and we all had full-time jobs as well. Then we had to play Aldershot in the first round proper on the Wednesday, two days after we finally beat Oxford, by which time we were on our knees.
In those days after the first replay any others had to be held on neutral ground. We won the toss for where the third game would be, so we played it at St Andrews. The fourth was at Oxford United, then they won the toss to decide where the fifth would be so we played at the Manor Ground again, and the sixth game was at Villa Park. I remember that it was freezing cold. Today it probably wouldn't have been played because of the frozen pitch.
After the game we went into the home dressing-room and Doug Ellis came down and started pouring out the champagne for us. We were exhausted, and there was the Aston Villa chairman pouring champagne into paper cups. We were too knackered to go out afterwards. I think we shared the champagne with the Oxford lads, but we all had work the next day, they had to get down to Oxford and we were playing Aldershot two nights later. It was quite a parting, though. We'd got to know them so well and we shared this great saga.
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And with replays both your "part of the fun" things can be done in one round. You may as well say there should be no football midweek of any kind, which is impossible as there aren't enough weekends to do a full season.
Cup ties are more special. Halifax can't play Man United in the league. You can get once in a lifetime trips and it's better if everyone can attend. Also, I get bored seeing teams celebrate a draw. Much better if teams are trying to get a result which will be remembered for all time.
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A few years ago you'd have said Bournemouth can't play Man Utd in the league. Or that Burton can't play Villa in the league and so on.
Seems a bit contradictory that you want as many fans as possible being able to go to games but don't want regionalised draws which would help with that. Replays have worked for well over a century, and they still do.
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I get bored too of seeing a league 2 clubs celebration of drawing a Premiership team and the revenue help keep people in employment.
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The problem is that the Cups are dying on their arse up until the latter stages and it's not very cost effective or profitable for instance, for Carlisle to travel to Plymouth in a cup replay. I'd bin replays in the FA Cup as well.
I'd also ban John Salako from all media platforms.
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If it was regionalised in the first couple of rounds then that wouldn't happen until the cup was getting more interesting ;)
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Agreed about the Salako comment, but Part of the magic is "smaller" clubs having another chance of an upset, bringing in more revenue and having a 7 year old Accrington fan see the stars at their place!
Why won't anyone pleae think of the children!!
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The 7 year old will have to wait until the 3rd round to see any stars.
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The problem is that the Cups are dying on their arse up until the latter stages and it's not very cost effective or profitable for instance, for Carlisle to travel to Plymouth in a cup replay. I'd bin replays in the FA Cup as well.
The National League seems to survive and there are plenty of long distance games to cope with where attendances can sometimes dip below 1,000. This season includes such "local derbies" as Barrow v Dover, Gateshead v Torquay, and Hartlepool v Eastleigh.
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Has the date for this tie been confirmed yet ?
I can't see anything on Pravda
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Has the date for this tie been confirmed yet ?
I can't see anything on Pravda
On the App it is being shown as Tues 22nd at 7.45.
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Can't even get on the site at the moment.
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Has the date for this tie been confirmed yet ?
I can't see anything on Pravda
On the App it is being shown as Tues 22nd at 7.45.
It will have to be the Tuesday as we are in Brizzle on the Friday.
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The Twitter page confirmed it as being on the Tuesday a few hours ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/897084166386438146
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Oxford City v Alvechurch in the last qualifying round back in the day of proper football, which had 5 replays.
We played each other six times in less than three weeks - Saturday, Tuesday, Monday, Wednesday, Saturday, Monday - and four of those games went to extra time. Plus we had a league game in between, and we all had full-time jobs as well. Then we had to play Aldershot in the first round proper on the Wednesday, two days after we finally beat Oxford, by which time we were on our knees.
In those days after the first replay any others had to be held on neutral ground. We won the toss for where the third game would be, so we played it at St Andrews. The fourth was at Oxford United, then they won the toss to decide where the fifth would be so we played at the Manor Ground again, and the sixth game was at Villa Park. I remember that it was freezing cold. Today it probably wouldn't have been played because of the frozen pitch.
After the game we went into the home dressing-room and Doug Ellis came down and started pouring out the champagne for us. We were exhausted, and there was the Aston Villa chairman pouring champagne into paper cups. We were too knackered to go out afterwards. I think we shared the champagne with the Oxford lads, but we all had work the next day, they had to get down to Oxford and we were playing Aldershot two nights later. It was quite a parting, though. We'd got to know them so well and we shared this great saga.
What year was that and who said it?
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Graham Allner, 1971.
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Cool.
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Re: free cup ticket for season ticket holders. Surely this was a cast-iron promise which (for all too obvious reasons...) hasn't been fulfilled yet and now it can be?
Can I be first to state that I'll be well pissed-off if they renege on this and there's at least two of us who won't buy tickets for this one.
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With just a week to go to the game still nothing on the OS about tickets for this ("details to be announced in due course"), so I thought I'd ring to make sure they had my Cup Scheme form and that I'd get my ticket. Rang this morning - 25 minute queue, rang this afternoon, 40 minute queue. Still not got through. Not impressed with ticketing at all this season
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AVFC Support on Twitter confirmed that this is a/the free ticket match for ST holders
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Details now starting to appear on the OS:
Carabao Cup
Tuesday August 22
Kick-off: 7.45pm
Villa Park
Prices: £15 (adults), £10 (concessions), £5 (U16s)
FREE ENTRY to season ticket holders - this will automatically be added to your card
For non-season ticket holders:
Only tickets purchased before 3.30pm on Friday August 18 will be posted to supporters. All tickets purchased after this deadline will be available for collection only - or you can Print at Home if you book online and have access to a printer.
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For fifteen quid my ticket will stay unsold.
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Does anybody know if Junction 6 will be open by this game? Its closure adds two hours to our round trip.
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I can imagine a lot of season ticket holders will give it a miss.
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I'm certainly not travelling 200 miles for it. I don't suspect I could give my 4 tickets away either
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Details now starting to appear on the OS:
Carabao Cup
Tuesday August 22
Kick-off: 7.45pm
Villa Park
Prices: £15 (adults), £10 (concessions), £5 (U16s)
FREE ENTRY to season ticket holders - this will automatically be added to your card
For non-season ticket holders:
Only tickets purchased before 3.30pm on Friday August 18 will be posted to supporters. All tickets purchased after this deadline will be available for collection only - or you can Print at Home if you book online and have access to a printer.
Has anyone heard how we can register our season tickets? I thought we were supposed to be getting an email about it last week.
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Your automatically registered. The attendance will be 25k with only 7k in ground
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Anyone know how many season tickets we sold?
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I was thinking of going but doubt I will now at £15.
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I reckon around 18K
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Your automatically registered. The attendance will be 25k with only 7k in ground
Sorry - didn't make myself clear. I meant the cash card part of the season ticket. Maybe registered wasn't the right word. When can we start using the season ticket as a cash card?
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That as well as the loyalty scheme is still unannounced. Unlike villa....
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Your automatically registered. The attendance will be 25k with only 7k in ground
Sorry - didn't make myself clear. I meant the cash card part of the season ticket. Maybe registered wasn't the right word. When can we start using the season ticket as a cash card?
I think its after the Norwich game
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Does anybody know if Junction 6 will be open by this game? Its closure adds two hours to our round trip.
It's only closed at weekends as I understand it.
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It's free. I am in Brum already for work. And it will still be a challenge to conjure up the interest required to arse about going there and not getting back until midnight.
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sorry to be obtuse but can I just turn up to the game and get in with my season ticket? Somehow i'd rather go to this than Norwich which with the J6 closure is a real pain for me.
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sorry to be obtuse but can I just turn up to the game and get in with my season ticket? Somehow i'd rather go to this than Norwich which with the J6 closure is a real pain for me.
Supposedly yes, ST cards are activated for this game. I say supposedly given our tickets issues so far this season.
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thanks.
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
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Good idea. If everyone is in bed while it's going on, fewer people will notice when they fuck it up again.
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Take a wild gue$$.
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To pick up on your comment Mr U about the M6 closure making game traffic even more unbearable. For the Norwich game I drove through the listed Ancient Roadworks previously known as the A14 to the M6. From Rugby onwards the matrix signs read "For Villa Park use M6 J7. Every one. Then Star City hove into view, I took the left filter lane and breezed through J6 in record time. Everlasting roadworks and road closures are hell, but to get the signage wrong is beyond hell.
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Still doesn't make much sense. That's about lunchtime in China. Surely it would have made more sense to have the draw at about 8pm local time which would have been our lunchtime? More people in both countries would be able to watch it then.
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Are Chinese people that bothered about the League Cup?
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Take a wild gue$$.
Well yes, but the EFL (or Football League as I prefer) is devaluing it's own competition by shifting the draw to a time where nobody will be awake. Listening to the draw has always been part of the interest in Cups.
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Maybe it's to force people to stay up late so they buy more cans of Carabao.
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Are Chinese people that bothered about the League Cup?
It's like a religion over there. The anniversary of the Leicester v Tranmere Final is a national holiday.
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yes The Year of the Dogs
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Are Chinese people that bothered about the League Cup?
It's like a religion over there. The anniversary of the Leicester v Tranmere Final is a national holiday.
Every year great balls of fire appear above the Mekong river on that date, and the locals swear they look just like Neil Lennon after a week in Tenerefe.
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Why in hell is the draw for the next round taking place at 4.15am BST and being done in China?
Are Chinese people that bothered about the League Cup?
It's like a religion over there. The anniversary of the Leicester v Tranmere Final is a national holiday.
Every year great balls of fire appear above the Mekong river on that date, and the locals swear they look just like Neil Lennon after a week in Tenerefe.
Goodness gracious!
A ginge minge singe, and no mistake.
Cmoan Habbies!
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Still doesn't make much sense. That's about lunchtime in China. Surely it would have made more sense to have the draw at about 8pm local time which would have been our lunchtime? More people in both countries would be able to watch it then.
Presumably office workers in China also skive from work by being on the internet all day? If the cup draw is in the evening that's another skiving opportunity lost.